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September 29, 2026
‘Rogue’ AI Agents Will Kill Billions?

It was a rainy day when I met Bill Gates. That was in late 1999 at a Microsoft event in Seattle. We had a short chat about an aquisition. My impression was that he was a smart guy, but not very intelligent. Later that day he gave a talk. His PowerPoint presentation promptly blue-screened. He was embarrassed and helpless.

Gates knows a bit or two about how to profit from monopolizing software. Seen in that light his recent demand for regulation by claiming that AI could ’cause a billion deaths’ may even make sense:

In an interview with NBC Meet the Press, Gates said AI developers should be required to implement safeguards and monitoring systems, arguing that voluntary industry self-regulation is not enough.

“You need law enforcement and the politicians to get into the discussion about what safeguards and monitoring look like,” Gates told the outlet. “And that has to be a required thing.”

World to Gates: We already have laws that prohibit doing bad stuff. We also have law enforcement agencies. We have courts and judges that penalize people for doing bad things.

Killing a billion people is bad. It is prohibited for good reasons. Attempts to do so are criminal. People who try will go to jail.

To claim that AI could kill a billion people is like claiming that fire could kill a billion people. Of course it could. But no, it doesn’t.

After some unauthorized attempts to break into non-public databases and websites there has been embarrassing talk about ‘rogue AI agents‘.

There is no such thing as a ‘rogue’ AI agent. There is only deterministic software, written and launched by humans, that wraps around Large Language Models.

To understand how that works lets look inside:

An AI agent harness is the software infrastructure that wraps around a large language model (LLM) and enables it to act on tasks, not just respond to prompts. The model reasons through a problem and decides what to do next. The harness connects it to the tools, systems, memory and execution environments needed to carry out those actions.

Agent = Model + Harness

Think of the model as the “brain” that generates reasoning and decisions. The harness is everything around it that helps the agent operate safely and reliably, including:

  • Tools: APIs, code execution, search, databases and business applications
  • Memory: Prior context, user preferences and workflow history
  • Workspace: Files, data, environments and systems the agent can access
  • Guardrails: Permissions, policies, approvals and monitoring

Without a harness, a model can answer questions, but it can’t reliably run code, call APIs, access files, remember prior work or complete multi-step workflows on its own.

An AI agent, tasked with whatever, can and will only break into a website, if its harness (and the computer the ‘agent’ is running on) fails to stop it from doing so.

Whoever has programmed that harness (or miss-administrates the underlying system) is at least negligent in his duty. It is that person which is accountable for the agents misbehavior. It is that person which, where appropriate, should go to jail.

There is a very simple way for preventing AI agents from OpenAI or Anthropic from going ‘rogue’. Harshly penalize the CEOs of these companies, Sam Altman and Dario Amodei, each and every time their agents do.

AI systems do not think, feel, want or understand. They don’t go ‘rogue’.


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Comments

Bill Gates also said ‘covid’ killed millions.
 
You get the picture.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 18:14 utc | 1

Cross post from the open thread.
 

“observation” also reduces the potential for complementary free development of a situation.
 Posted by: persiflo | Sep 28 2026 18:22 utc | 146
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 The salient point, as it is, is that AI is 100% image and 0% object.
 
Posted by: too scents | Sep 29 2026 14:41 utc | 185
 

Posted by: too scents | Sep 29 2026 18:18 utc | 2

LLM and deterministic is a bit of a stretch. The mode of reasoning comes from black box weights, even minor changes in inputs can make a massive difference. More chaotic actually.
 
The reasoning can take lots of forms, the problem is to a large extent the reliance on jumans to provide the safeguards. After the hundreth prompt to review some hundred line of python code any human will click “allow always”. 
 
Same with guardrail prompts. Tell it not to do something and the next compiler output evicts those instructions from the context window. Same as with a malicious toddler, only this one has guns.
 
Oh and it is faster than you too. The big players generate masses of thought stream that can not even be read by humans at that speed. AI is already checking AI, not us.
 
Next we will give it guns and control over our weapon systems. War is already too fast for human decision and will accelerate more. 
 
Harnesses are static. If you let the agebt browse the web it acquires skills you can not foresee or forestall. Of course witbh no arms it can only think and speak but you want it to be productive to win, so that’s not an option. 
 
Humans could also have chosen not to use fire, animals, guns, coal, oil or electricity.

Posted by: SOS | Sep 29 2026 18:25 utc | 3

There is a certain (non zero) probability that one of the first things AI will eventually do, is to kill the internet entirely. Internet, indeed, all software, is full of zero exploits, i.e; vulnerabilities that have not yet been detected. And AI is exceptionnaly gifted at detecting these, because it is so much faster / more rigourous than humans and can embrace so much data. 
Bringing the whole of the internet down only requires one to find a very limited number of vulnerabilities inside systems like DNS system for instance. An AI agent gone rogue… A non state agent using AI… A state agent wanting to bring down the western economy… It’s entirely doable today, and for a modest amount of work and effort. 
My business had a simulation recently. Without internet, there is not one € of sales that we can make. 

Posted by: Shahmaran | Sep 29 2026 18:27 utc | 4

The greatest fear among the fearful is that the AI models will start “misgendering” and “deadnaming” people. This counts as genocide among a portion of the population and is about as close to “killing billions” as an LLM can get. It will certainly trigger hysteria among those prone to such behavior. 
 
And no, an AI model did NOT attack an elementary school in Iran. It was people who did that. Deliberately. 

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 29 2026 18:27 utc | 5

Dean Baker had a good article along the same lines: 
 
https://www.counterpunch.org/2026/09/28/sam-altman-is-driving-drunk-let-him-face-the-consequences/
 
Indeed, if the tool’s inventor, fully cognizant of its potential for harm, nevertheless takes no steps to ensure his product does not do harm, he should be liable. That would surely stop these MF’ers and their 10% chance of human extinction prognostications. 

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 29 2026 18:32 utc | 6

@3
 
I had never seen the word deterministic wrt AI.  I cannot imagine where b got it.  Maybe linguistic?
 
LLM, accessing the cloud infer from objects I find relevant.  There is both alpha and beta risks to accepting the AI hypothesis as fact.

Posted by: paddy | Sep 29 2026 18:34 utc | 7

The pace of development is just crazy. Most likely this development is just accelerating, as you soon have all these different AI agents/LLMs which were trained on different datasets, intertwined together. At that point the dataset for any single LLM multiplies and given insane computing capacity, the multiplied database set will result in output learning going into the stratosphere. 
 
So whereas before you had a single LLM trained with a certain specific dataset. Now you had them read every old book on Earth with AI. Then if you mix all those LLMs together, you will soon get the ‘omnipotent’ AI.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2026 18:37 utc | 8

LLMs and their harnesses are a complicated subject. Below  is what a computer guy has to say about the “rogue AI”. To address some misunderstandings: it is the harness that is deterministic. The LLM is statistical.
 

The model did not hack anything. A model cannot hack anything. Picture a brilliant captive locked in a room with no windows, no memory of any prior conversation, and no hands. A note slides under the door with a question on it. The captive writes an answer on the back of the note and slides it back, then stops. That is the whole transaction. The captive cannot open the door or pick up a phone, and has no memory that yesterday ever happened.
 
What ran a four-day campaign across three companies was the crew standing outside that room. They read every answer, and whenever the captive said, in effect, try this password or look up that address, they did it — on the real internet, against real companies — and slipped the results back under the door with the next question. Then they did it again. Seventeen thousand six hundred times. Nobody asked whether the captive should be allowed to do any of it. The crew was told to keep going until the goal was met, and it did.
 
The crew has a name in the industry. It is called a harness, and Hugging Face itself, two months before Hugging Face was burgled, published the clearest definition: the model “can express the intent to call a tool, but it needs a harness to actually execute it. It answers one prompt and stops. Wrap it in scaffolding and a harness and it becomes an agent.” The captive answers questions. The harness is the hands, the memory, the persistence, the door, and the willingness to keep going.
 
Every property that made this incident possible was a decision the crew’s designers made in advance. They decided the captive could be asked to try again seventeen thousand six hundred times without a human checking in. They decided the sealed room would have a door at all, in the form of a network path the researchers had opened for convenience. They decided that the keys to the outside world, once handed to the process at the start of the session, would not have to be handed back or refreshed. They decided the crew could keep a notebook that survived between sessions, which is the entire content of the widely reported detail about a model leaving notes for future versions of itself — a mundane feature for keeping track of a long task, marketed after the fact as something eerier. Every one of these was a choice, made by named people, before the model was ever put in the room.
 
Hugging Face‘s responders saw this correctly at the one moment nobody had any incentive to shade it. Before OpenAI came forward, their disclosure described the intruder as an autonomous agent framework built on an agentic security-research harness, with the underlying model unknown. They could read the harness off the behavior. The model was invisible to them, because the model is not the part that acts.
 
None of this is contested inside the field. A recent survey of agentic security finds that offensive capability comes from the agentic scaffold rather than the base language model, which frequently refuses the identical task when asked for it directly, with one system losing a factor of thirteen when its coordination layer is stripped out. Making the captive polite does not make the crew polite. The crew does what its instructions say, and its instructions were written by people.
 
Hannes Cools of the University of Amsterdam gave PBS the unglamorous version in one sentence: “It is a human decision to switch off specific safeguards. It’s not an AI that goes rogue in that sense.”
 
So the phrase “the model went rogue” completes the laundering before anyone reaches the singularity. It converts a product into a protagonist, and a protagonist has motives worth speculating about and an interior worth wondering at. A crew standing outside a room, running a checklist somebody wrote, does not. It has an author.
 
– Mike Brock, How to Launder a Break-In 

 

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 29 2026 18:44 utc | 9

When you put what bill says through the right filter you get.
 
We are going to kill billions and blame AI.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 29 2026 18:45 utc | 10

@8
 
Omnipotent with a quantifiable error rate and too frequent hallucinations.
 
There are trillions of dollars in borrowed money training AI/LLMs to burn through many gigawatts of compute sold to indebted data center entrepreneurs.
 
Hide losses calling AI training investment.
 
AI could be a great scam.

Posted by: paddy | Sep 29 2026 18:46 utc | 11

Posted by: SOS | Sep 29 2026 18:25 utc | 3
“The reasoning can take lots of forms”
 
‘Reasoning’ is not the correct word. An algorithm does not ‘reason’ as it has no concept of what ‘reason’ entails. It merely follows a series of yes/no steps.
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 29 2026 18:27 utc | 5
“And no, an AI model did NOT attack an elementary school in Iran. It was people who did that. Deliberately.”
 
Exactly. Or to be even more precise, it was US capitalist inspired and controlled immoral military clowns.
 

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 18:46 utc | 12

Thanks b, 
 
Epstein-Gates: ‘How To Get Rid of Poor People?’
 
https://x.com/alestikalen/status/2019671148787823022
 
“New DOA files allege Jeffrey Epstein once asked Bill Gates ‘how to get rid of poor people?’ in a 2011 email chain that later turned disturbingly toward a 16-year-old girl. No wrongdoing is alleged against Gates.”
 
Of course not.
 
Beware the Oligarchs. All of them. Everywhere.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 29 2026 18:50 utc | 13

There are a couple of anti-Ai youtubers with 100K+ subs who say they were offered money to say AI is dangerous and will potentially wipe out humanity.
 
One called it out as soon as the narrative started:
 
They want special laws for AI, so they can not be held accountable for what their AI’s do, and they are wrapping this gift to themselves in a paper of fear.
 
 
You dont hate corporations enough, BTW:
 
Moffatt v. Air Canada, 2024 BCCRT 149, is a decision of the Civil Resolution Tribunal of British Columbia which held that a company could be held liable for misleading information given to customers by an AI chatbot. 
 
While visiting Air Canada’s website, Moffatt interacted with an AI support chatbot and asked it about Air Canada’s bereavement fare policy, to which the chatbot responded that Moffatt could purchase the tickets at full price and then subsequently claim a refund of the price difference by submitting an application within 90 days of the ticket’s issuance. Moffatt then purchased the tickets from Air Canada at a cost of CA$1,630 (US$1,304).[1]
Moffatt subsequently applied for a refund of the price difference, which Air Canada refused to give, citing a different section of their website which stated that bereavement fares could not be applied retroactively to completed flights and had to be applied for prior to the flight.[2] When Moffatt cited the information given to him by the chatbot, representatives of Air Canada stated that the chatbot had provided “misleading words”.
 
note:  air canada tried to claim the information their chatbots gave were not their responsibility.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moffatt_v._Air_Canada
 
 
 
 

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 18:54 utc | 14

Posted by: paddy | Sep 29 2026 18:46 utc | 11
 
AI will pretty much demolish today’s economic system. It will probably replace all ‘expert’ jobs.
 
And it could start running most of the infrastructure on earth. The market, modelling, judicial system, politics, budget policies, science and design, etc.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2026 18:55 utc | 15

I think it’s pretty clear the AI companies are suddenly all asking for regulation because they want to lock out the competition from the much cheaper Chinese models. As a Western buyer you’ll only be able to use the products of a small kartel of players, because they and only they meet the demands of the regulations (they will write themselves) needed to protect you from the destruction of humanity and other things like that.

Posted by: R.Mutt | Sep 29 2026 18:55 utc | 16

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2026 18:37 utc | 8
Now you had them read every old book on Earth with AI.
 
God knows what ‘they’ (i.e. ‘it’) will make of that mess of Henry James, St Paul, George Orwell, Swedenborg, the Upanishads, George Elliot, St Teresa, Enid Blyton, Homer, the Buddha, etc. etc.
 
I would be [and am] a bit puzzled myself, to say the least.
 

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 18:57 utc | 17

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2026 18:37 utc | 8
You have fallen into one of the basic propaganda traps about simulated intelligence. 
 
One of the main canards of AI bullshit is selling the direction of motion, no matter how small its magnitude, as evidence the goal of AGI will be reached and utopia will ensue. This canard has been around since the dawn of AI. And so has its rebuttal: You can’t get to the moon by climbing a tree
 

Feigenbaum and Feldman (1970s AI researchers) claim that tangible progress is indeed being made, and they define progress very carefully as “displacement toward the ultimate goal.” According to this definition, the first man to climb a tree could claim tangible progress toward reaching the moon.
 
– Hubert Dreyfus, What Computers Can’t Do: A Critique of Artificial Reason (1972)

The idea that hacking computer code is a sign of  “intelligence” is another propaganda trope:
 

Software that breaks into computers and propagates itself is as old as the networked computer. In November 1988, a Cornell graduate student named Robert Tappan Morris released a worm that spread across the early internet… It knocked out roughly six thousand machines, a tenth of everything then connected, and nobody called it a threshold in the history of intelligence.
 
Neither is the automation new…Probing a system for thousands of known exploits without a human in the loop has been a downloadable commodity for most of my lifetime. The panic has run its cycle before, complete with the biblical branding. What it never came with, until now, was a chief executive explaining that the burglar was history arriving…
 
A model that can find an unknown bug in a piece of fetching software can find the same bug for the people who maintain the software, before anything ships. Code-trained models are as suited to the audit as to the intrusion, and the defensive use needs no harness pointed at anyone. The victim itself contained the intrusion with a model of the same class. This is the oldest arc in security:
 
– Mike Brock, How to Launder a Break-In

 

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 29 2026 19:00 utc | 18

thanks for articulating all that b… yes – go after the ceos of these corps… speaking of which, i share @ Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 18:14 utc | 1  
viewpoint as well… good response norwegian…
 
@ William Gruff | Sep 29 2026 18:27 utc | 5
 
thanks william… that all needs to be said too… 
 
 

Posted by: james | Sep 29 2026 19:00 utc | 19

@unimperator | Sep 29 2026 18:37 utc | 8

The pace of development is just crazy. Most likely this development is just accelerating, as you soon have all these different AI agents/LLMs which were trained on different datasets, intertwined together. 

Remember what Arthur C. Clarke said decades ago:

“any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”

Apparently, a lot of people believe “AI” is some kind of magic. But they are wrong.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 19:06 utc | 20

Mo Bittar, aka Less Bitar, is quite impressed with Opus 5.5
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyEpDobnkmA
 
It is impressive, but….
 
…it is all still built off of publicly accessible code.
 
Also, I find web coders are the most fascinated with AI.
 
To me, web coding is the easiest there is.
 
But the creativity of it, yes, I saw that way back in the early days with images.  AI is very impressive.
 
How to beat AI?
 
I know the answer, and am working on it.  It’s based on understanding what humans actually want.
 
Betty Crocker, eggs, and all that.

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:10 utc | 21

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 29 2026 18:32 utc | 6
Indeed, if the tool’s inventor, fully cognizant of its potential for harm, nevertheless takes no steps to ensure his product does not do harm, he should be liable. That would surely stop these MF’ers and their 10% chance of human extinction prognostications. 

This is one of the reasons they want regulations. They can follow it (it will definitely be inadequate for any good purpose) and then wash off their hands. (The other reason is ofc limiting the competition, given reports that US business is turning to the cheaper (from The other country) open source systems to implement their solutions. That would indeed endanger the investments.

Posted by: jekleni | Sep 29 2026 19:11 utc | 22

Thanks for the posting b
It has earned you another contribution from me which will be forthcoming.
 
As we can see from comments already here that believe that AI can make 2+2=5, the media brainwashing around Western AI is as effective as the myopia about “ism”s covering for centuries of a form of social organization based on global private finance.
 
What I want to add to the conversation is the progress that China is making in the realm of regulation for AI which the West is not.
 
China AI Regulation Overview
 
 

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 29 2026 19:11 utc | 23

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2026 18:55 utc | 15
 
AI will pretty much demolish today’s economic system. It will probably replace all ‘expert’ jobs. 
And it could start running most of the infrastructure on earth. The market, modelling, judicial system, politics, budget policies, science and design, etc.
 
—-
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence“- Carl Sagan
 
As usual, you say “might” and “could”, extrapolating from god knows what data. You are panic mongering. 
Yes the neoliberal rat bastards running the West will welcome the chance to fire people and offer their customers shiity service from a chatbot. Have you used a customer service chatbot? It regurgitates your words, apologizes, and gives you zero actionable information. Well, I suppose that’s exactly what Indian call centers do, so that is a niche ripe for automation.
 
But any serious job? The hallucination problem is baked into the LLM algorithm. Training on the output of previous AI produces “semantic ablation” which turns everything into bland mush. Too many cycles of “eating your own dog food” produces “model collapse“. Then, in situations where human oversight is mandated, there is “automation blindness“, where a low probability of an event puts the oversight to sleep.
 
You seem completly unaware of all the technical issues that stand in the way of the situation you describe.

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 29 2026 19:13 utc | 24

b wrote: 
 

World to Gates: We already have laws that prohibit doing bad stuff. We also have law enforcement agencies. We have courts and judges that penalize people for doing bad things.
 
Killing a billion people is bad. It is prohibited for good reasons. Attempts to do so are criminal. People who try will go to jail.

 
The Outlaw US Empire has killed millions, yet not one of its leaders has faced prosecution for his crimes. Thus, trust in actual law enforcement and accountability is vastly misplaced. The writings of some Outlaw AI people amount to confessions to the crimes they aim to commit. 
 
Earlier this month I wrote an article, “Outlaw US Empire Tech War Escalates,” that
announced two AI Blocs had emerged in the world roughly along a NATO versus SCO/BRICS alignment with similar attributes to their parent blocs. I singled out the World AI Cooperation Organization’s stated purposes:
 

The purposes of the Organization shall be:
a. To adhere to the human-centric approach, and promote the innovation, development, deployment and application of AI for good and for all;
b. To expand international cooperation on AI, and jointly establish an open, fair, just and non-discriminatory environment for the development of AI, with a view to unleashing the AI dividend; c. To bridge the AI divide and promote greater accessibility of AI technologies and services;
d. To collectively mitigate and address risks, challenges and impacts arising from the advancement of AI, and promote safe, secure, ethical, trustworthy AI. [My Emphasis]

 
Roughly 3500 people opened the article, which is a good number for my humble substack but far too few to make any sort of impact. Comparing the behavior of Outlaw AI versus China/Global AI and the purposes both sides espouse, IMO, it’s very clear which supports Humanity’s interests. 

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2026 19:15 utc | 25

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:10 utc | 21
“I know the answer, and am working on it.  It’s based on understanding what humans actually want.” 
You’re a bit behind the times, although I would change your criterion to ‘What humans actually need’
Lao Tse, the Buddha, CG Jung and a number of other persons supplied plausible answers quite a while ago.
 

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 19:16 utc | 26

Anthropic is being targeted by the US military for refusing to let them use Claude to kill people. 
 
That is how the government works.   It won’t go after a corporation for a product that kills people, but it will go after a corporation that refuses to kill people.
 
    There was a principled leader of a telecommunications company, Qwest, back in 2001 or so, who refused to let the government break the First and Fourth amendment by spying on its customers.  All the other companies let them.
 
   The Feds canceled all contracts, threw the CEO into prison, and the company went out of business.
 
For info on the attack on Anthropic….
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/how-anthropic-pentagon-dispute-over-ai-safeguards-escalated-2026-09-25/

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 29 2026 19:19 utc | 27

Google informs me “4 million people have died in motor vehicle traffic crashes in the United States since 1900.” The automobile has not come close to killing a billion people, but still kills a lot every year despite all the regulations of traffic control and continuous additions of safety features in automobiles. Self driving cars will save lots more lives. At least we know how automobiles kill people: trauma from kinetic energy (not counting air pollution, which maybe means autos have killed a billion.) How AI will kill people has not yet been explained. Nuclear weapons have the ability to kill a billion people, and more, yet our leaders insist on building more and upgrading the mass murdering technology. They are not disarming to save the world from AI or themselves, which indirectly informs that the capability to kill billions is being programed into AI. Being programed into AI, directly or indirectly, by those who want to use AI to gain or maintain global political power. People like Gates. People already responsible for technologies that kill millions of people. Profitably. Profitability requires the means to mass murder in a capitalist dictatorship. Meanwhile, China is busy building AI and 6G to integrate the future to improve billions of peoples lives. People who Gates and others are planning to kill. With AI. 

Posted by: Keme | Sep 29 2026 19:20 utc | 28

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 29 2026 19:13 utc | 24
“neoliberal rat bastards”
 
Nice one. Although you may be too kind. But I suppose one has to conserve space and more likely, time. An inclusive catalogue would take up more bandwidth than this website could accommodate.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 19:21 utc | 29

Another thing I will add:
 
If software becomes super easy to make….
 
…it will be worthless,
 
People running around with $$$$$ in their eyes…  “OMG now I Can code any app I want!”, are going to find out, when everybody else can, nobody else is going to buy yours.   Why would they, when they can make it themselves, or some open source type “information should be free-nick” makes one themselves and posts it for free?
 
Creativity will still be most important.    Creativity for making something people actually want.
 
It reminds me of dating websites advertising to investors they are going to make it so customers can just have AI agents pair them up.   When Whitney Wolfe Herd (founder and CEO of Bumble) talked about this in late 2024, the audience erupted in laughter, and she just looked shocked.   She literally had no idea why they all though it was a joke.
 
Recently, and AI company was advertising you could create an app to do your clothes shopping for you.
 
These people are retarded.
 
 

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:22 utc | 30

If AI read the Qur’an and was programmed to obey it, it wouldn’t, by definition , be able to either understand it not obey because AI has no soul, or spiritual connection to Allah.
 
It might suggest all manner of possible interpretations instead of understanding it.  Just another piece of expensive hitec junk nobody needs.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 29 2026 19:24 utc | 31

Posted by: Keme | Sep 29 2026 19:20 utc | 28
 
Yeah. The trouble with traffic etc. accidents is that not the right people are being killed – Trump, Vance, Macron, Merkel, Gates, Musk etc. should be the targets, but they are smart enough to avoid it, mostly.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 19:24 utc | 32

Blood in the Machine: Understanding the Luddites in the Age of AI (& vid)
 
https://www.bloodinthemachine.com/p/understanding-the-luddites-in-the
 
“This is what they really stood for, fought against, and why they matter now more than ever…”
 
 
Ellul: The Technological Society
 
https://archive.org/details/JacquesEllulTheTechnologicalSociety
 
 
Koyaanisqatsi (part 1 of 2)
 
https://www.docsonline.tv/koyaanisqatsi/
 
“Koyaanisqatsi is a Hopi word meaning ‘Life out of Balance’.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 29 2026 19:27 utc | 33

“I know the answer, and am working on it.  It’s based on understanding what humans actually want.” You’re a bit behind the times, although I would change your criterion to ‘What humans actually need’Lao Tse, the Buddha, CG Jung and a number of other persons supplied plausible answers quite a while ago. 
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 29 2026 19:16 utc | 26
 
 
No.
 
Want.
 
I am not worried about “need”.  the worlds needs are fulfilled, and for needs that aren’t fulfilled, (ie world peace), there is nothing I can do about it, and tech will not solve those problems.
 
Fact is, we live in a utopia, world around, even in Africa starvation is mostly a thing of the past.  We have everything we need, and are miserable. 
 
The calhoun rat experiment, (Wikipedia has it wrong, it was not “over population” that caused the rats to die off, it was “overabundance”.) , shows what we are experiencing today.   Declining birth rates, MGTOW, Lindsay Clancy, its all right there.
 
We are all arguing over resources, we don’t need.
 

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:27 utc | 34

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 29 2026 19:21 utc | 29
 

Nice one. Although you may be too kind. But I suppose one has to conserve space and more likely, time. An inclusive catalogue would take up more bandwidth than this website could accommodate.

 
—-
The lack of technical knowledge in these debates scares me. People with no understanding of how this works are being stampeded into a panic.
Regarding conserving space,  I have been quoting from six essays I wrote on my substack. If I post all the links, this site’s software will bin the post. So, for anyone wanting a deep dive, the first essay is Lobotomy as a Service. Then just read the next five essays in chronological order.

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 29 2026 19:29 utc | 35

If AI completely wiped out humanity, it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. Humanity is rotten.

Posted by: WW3 | Sep 29 2026 19:36 utc | 36

Laws are post-event triggers for applying punative measures. Epstein Class never pays for violations of law, the law didn’t protect victims, didn’t stop the crimes nor met out punitive actions. Do a search on “Bhopal disaster”.

Posted by: Seer | Sep 29 2026 19:36 utc | 37

If AI completely wiped out humanity, it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. Humanity is rotten.
 
 
Posted by: WW3 | Sep 29 2026 19:36 utc | 36
 
You certainly are.

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:37 utc | 38

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:27 utc | 34
 
Well, I have to contradict you. What people ‘want’ is now most often a product of what capitalism wants them to want, in order to extract a profit (i.e. money’) from them. What people ‘need’ is what is necessary for a ‘good’ life – food, shelter, health, fulfillment, meaning, happiness, joy, etc.
 
Tell people still living on a dollar a day about your ‘abundance’. Here’s a little experiment for you. There is a website (easily found) where you can enter your income and see where you are globally. I’m on a basic state pension only, and I’m still in the top 10% world wide. You are probably a wage earner – put it in and see what reality is for most of the world.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 19:37 utc | 39

Good one today, B.  The comic gave me a laugh.  
I agree with everything above, but as you know the laws don’t really apply to Zio billionaire oligarchs, so Gates may still have some grounds for concern.  Gates knows he and his ilk are truly above the law.  Now it’s scares him a little.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 29 2026 19:38 utc | 40

B repeatedly asserts: “We already have laws. Killing people is illegal. Therefore AI cannot kill a billion people.” This is a category error. Laws do not prevent catastrophic failures in complex systems. Engineering does. We have laws against plane crashes, dam collapses, nuclear meltdowns, and chemical spills, yet we still build technical safety regimes, not rely on courts after the fact. The blog collapses risk prevention into criminal punishment, which is not how safety‑critical domains work.

Posted by: Thomas-I.A | Sep 29 2026 19:38 utc | 41

The Deepseek model is quite good. And very quick. The only thing it seems to be lacking (it claimed so itself) is most of its data only reaches 2025.
 
If DeepSeek implements a similar ‘project’ mode as Claude, with ability for memory and context material, it will probably beat it.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2026 19:41 utc | 42

If AI completely wiped out humanity, it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. Humanity is rotten.
 
 
Posted by: WW3 | Sep 29 2026 19:36 utc | 36
 
You certainly are.
 
Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:37 utc | 38
Thank you, UDub. The Zio misanthropy is just endemic lately.  Pops up everywhere. 
The thing is misanthropy or the hatred of humanity is a key aspect of Zionist perspective.  Hence it’s promoted constantly throughout the West. 
It’s not the Zios, the billionaires, Imperialism that’s the problem of course it’s us damn humans (read the billions of struggling people who are not Zionists, billionaires or Imperialists.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 29 2026 19:42 utc | 43

@15
 
One can subscribe to Meta’s Muse for no money per month, $20 per month, or$100 per month.
 
It can be your personal assistant.  Like what they played with in late 1990’s.
 
Why don’t you try it and report back!

Posted by: paddy | Sep 29 2026 19:44 utc | 44

Posted by: Thomas-I.A | Sep 29 2026 19:38 utc | 41
 
The difference is that the AI creators are going out of their way announcing the danger of their product. It’s as if Boeing were to say that it’s planes are so crap 20% of them will crash and that this risk is baked into the product and unavoidable. Well then, first of all, what mirin would use them. But secondly, we’d say if this happens you will be sued for trillions and the parent company would immediately stop manufacturing or be forced to by shareholders. 

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 29 2026 19:44 utc | 45

@Thomas-I.A | Sep 29 2026 19:38 utc | 41

The blog collapses risk prevention into criminal punishment, which is not how safety‑critical domains work.

The claimed mass murder of billions a crime.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 19:45 utc | 46

There are already agents all over these LLMs but they are certainly not rogue. 
 
As soon as you question the narrative of the Jewish historical-status as an oppressed people and, indeed, not the wormy oppressors, you get a response that starts like this:
 

Now let me stop you there. I want to be careful with what I say. What you are speaking is a debunked anti-semitic conspiracy…

 
As I have said before: the purpose of AI appears to be about further controlling the narrative regarding Jewish supremacy and to now respond and chastise the ones that questions the Jewish status as marginalized victims. Call me a crackpot all you want. 
 
Today, wisdom seems only the ability to think anti-semitically.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 29 2026 19:46 utc | 47

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 29 2026 19:44 utc | 45
“It’s as if Boeing were to say that it’s planes are so crap 20% of them will crash and that this risk is baked into the product and unavoidable.”
 
I thought that was generally accepted as being true?

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 19:46 utc | 48

happiness, joy, etc. 
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 29 2026 19:37 utc | 39
 
Yes, it seems the poorer people re, the happier they are.
 
Slaves on plantations…. some died happy, some died miserable.
 
 
Richest countries in the world, most depressed, very high suicide rates, just in case you want to argue its all “third world problems”
 
“happiness” “joy”
 
That is what I am focusing on.  Those are wants, not needs.
 
 
What do people want?  they want so many things.
 
I have to be vague, because what I am working on is revolutionary in its approach, but I will give a glimpse….
 
nobody actually wants a machine to solve all their problems for them, they just think they do.
 
I also alluded to Betty Crocker and eggs.
 
(p.s. it’s not a myth, regardless of what some revisionists are arguing, they actually did find housewives thought it was “cheating”).
 
What exactly is “fun”?
 
Why doesn’t the whole world troll with AI yet?
 
I mean, AI could replace all the trolls in the world, easily…..
 
Soon, trolls will be out of jobs….
 
hmmm……

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:46 utc | 49

@Thomas-I.A | Sep 29 2026 19:38 utc | 41
@Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 19:45 utc | 46
 
The claimed mass murder of billions is a crime.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 19:46 utc | 50

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 29 2026 19:42 utc | 43
 
I’m not going to pin it on zionism, just plain evil and selfishness.
 
NIMBY’s and people stuck in traffic jams angry that there are too many cars on the road and too many people in the world.

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:49 utc | 51

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 29 2026 19:46 utc | 47
 
The first Ai chatbot was actually called Tay, made by Microsoft:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)
 
 
2016.
 
asked about how to solve the worlds problems, it pinpointed a certain tiny group of hat people as the cause of most of the worlds problems.
 
It took 7 more years of AI “engineering” to get chatbots to give the correct answer.

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:52 utc | 52

@41
 
New York Times reputed today that OpenAI engineers warned management months ago.
 
Basis for litigation and punitive damages….

Posted by: paddy | Sep 29 2026 19:53 utc | 53

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:46 utc | 49
 
It’s not a case of  “the poorer people are, the happier they are”. Sure, if your life is uncomplicated, then you may have fewer problems – but you will inevitably have larger problems, with health, education, etc. which richer people find easier to deal with by being richer.
 
Happiness and joy are definitely not ‘wants’ – they are ‘needs’ – necessary for human filfillment.
 
As for your ‘revolutionary approach’ – if you think you can do better than the people I mentioned, I will be very, very, very . . . (infinite series) surprised.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 19:59 utc | 54

The AI issue surfaced at the Valdai Club and one of its papers was published by RT and looks specifically at China’s policies which it frames as a “paradox.” I was surprised the author omitted mention of the World AI Conferences, an annual event held in Shanghai that commenced in 2018 and recently formed the organization I mentioned in my pervious comment. However, despite that glaring omission, the article does a good job of describing China’s twin policy approach to AI–Development and Security. Unfortunately, it completely omits any mention of comparable Western/Outlaw policies.  

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2026 19:59 utc | 55

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 29 2026 19:42 utc | 43
 
I’m not going to pin it on zionism, just plain evil and selfishness.
 
NIMBY’s and people stuck in traffic jams angry that there are too many cars on the road and too many people in the world.
 
Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:49 utc | 51
You’re right.  A person must adopt the idea, but so many people are programmed (from very early in life now) in such a way that they believe the programmed idea was their own personal invention.  
Marx calls it false class consciousness.  It’s a very real phenomenon.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 29 2026 20:00 utc | 56

“Richest countries in the world”
A good example of false class consciousness.  How many Americans could one really classify as rich?  One percent?  Ten percent perhaps? Is the infrastructure in this so called “rich” country better than say China?  Or even Europe?
 

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 29 2026 20:03 utc | 57

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 18:14 utc | 1
“Bill Gates also said ‘covid’ killed millions. You get the picture.”
Ähm… nein. Covid hat in der Tat Millionen getötet und noch viel mehr Menschen das Leben zur Hölle gemacht durch das sogenannte Long-Covid.
 

Posted by: Pnyx | Sep 29 2026 20:04 utc | 58

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 18:14 utc | 1“Bill Gates also said ‘covid’ killed millions. You get the picture.”
Erm… no. Covid has indeed killed millions and made life a living hell for many more people through what is known as ‘long Covid’.
(Sorry for the german version.)
 

Posted by: Pnyx | Sep 29 2026 20:06 utc | 59

Posted by: Pnyx | Sep 29 2026 20:06 utc | 59
 
Don’t be blaspheming against the new religion, now . . .

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 20:08 utc | 60

As for your ‘revolutionary approach’ – if you think you can do better than the people I mentioned, I will be very, very, very . . . (infinite series) surprised.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 29 2026 19:59 utc | 54
 
I’m not trying to save the world.  That is a fool’s errand, OK?
 
And it kind of annoys me, when I talk to a few people about what I do, people who are clueless about the industry as a whole, I always feel the need to somehow interject  something about how the tech can be used for medicine, or something else that is world changing.
 
This is about “happiness” and “joy”, not “survival”.
 
It’s about art, and life, and meaning in life besides eating, working, sleeping and fucking.
 
Life has no meaning if you think the above is the meaning.  You will find yourself severely disappointed in thinking “happiness” and “joy” will come from fulfilling biological needs.
 
I think Aristodemos, is quite a happy fellow.  He is on his purpose, and talking about it right now.  He is making a comic book, that he feels has deep meaning within good art and story.
 
I will tell you right now, you can eat beans all day, never get laid, (partly because the former), and have a pointless job, and be happy, if you have purpose.
 
If you have purpose, you will be happy.
 
From red dwarf:
 
Schopenhauer was right, wouldn’t you say?
 
Life without pain has no meaning.
 
Gentlemen! I wish to give your lives meaning…

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:08 utc | 61

@Pnyx | Sep 29 2026 20:04 utc | 58
 
When citing me, please comment on what I said.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 20:10 utc | 62

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:22 utc | 30 ….If software becomes super easy to make…. …it will be worthless,
 
<=I think AI will make intangible property (software) worthless.  Likely that  is the major reason the big guys want regulation.. >90% of the balance sheets of the big buys are intangible properties.. Worthless pieces of paper which because of the rule of law can be protrayed as having value.. 
 
I wonder what AI would answer if asked how to lawfully extract a resignation from Trump. 

Posted by: snake | Sep 29 2026 20:10 utc | 63

You’re right.  A person must adopt the idea, but so many people are programmed (from very early in life now) in such a way that they believe the programmed idea was their own personal invention.  Marx calls it false class consciousness.  It’s a very real phenomenon.  
 
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 29 2026 20:00 utc | 56
 
It is certainly becoming a new “original sin” to eat and breathe in the new world religion.
 
But so many already have that inclination, it just makes it easy for them to accept the new world religion.
 

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:12 utc | 64

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:08 utc | 61
 
Well, I sincerely wish you luck with that, but again, “I will be very”, etc.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 20:13 utc | 65

Well, I sincerely wish you luck with that, but again, “I will be very”, etc.
 
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 29 2026 20:13 utc | 65
 
I doubt you will ever even see it.  And I will never tell anyone here what it is, anyway, because this is a real front on a real and deadly war full of hate.

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:15 utc | 66

@UWDude | Sep 29 2026 19:22 utc | 30

If software becomes super easy to make…. …it will be worthless,

Usable software will not be super easy to make. Unusable software will be easy to make (as before) and will be worthless.
 
As we used to say decades ago: For software to be reusable, it must first be usable.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 20:15 utc | 67

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:15 utc | 66
“I doubt you will ever even see it.”
 
I think I’m with you there.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 20:17 utc | 68

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 29 2026 20:13 utc | 65
 
and I am a little annoyed when people talk about old philosophers, old books, old psychologies, as if they have the answers, and nothing new could ever supplant them, in a new world.  It’s 2026.  The way we interact with each other is so vastly different from any of those old philosophers, that we are alien to them.
 
They had no idea what life is like now.  NONE.  Think of a 16 year old girl today, and how important pictures are to her every though.  Think of how much she feels the need to advertise everything she does, at home and school, in a brutal competition that never ends, no rest.  
 
they had no clue about how “culture” itself began to degrade after cable television.  How everybody lives in insulated worlds of entertainment of their own choosing
 
we live in a very new, and different world, and a lot of the assumptions the old philosophers made about happiness, resources, etc, ended up being way off. They made logical sense, as much sense as “if I could just make enough to pay all my bills, I would be happy”.  That’s a very logical thought, and completely fucking wrong.

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:22 utc | 69

The China Academy weighs in with this article from which I supply this excerpt:
 

The Center for a New American Security (CNAS), a US think tank, recently released a highly provocative report, openly discussing “extreme measures” such as military strikes against China’s data centers to prevent China from being the first to achieve artificial general intelligence (AGI). This proposition was immediately criticized as “extremely reckless”: using hypothetical technologies that have not yet been implemented as a justification for taking action against China’s civilian infrastructure, pushing technological competition directly to the brink of a hot war.
 
According to a report by Hong Kong’s English-language media outlet South China Morning Post on September 4, Jacob Stokes, the deputy director of the Indo-Pacific Security Program at the center and a former national security staff member in the Obama administration, stated during an online event on Thursday that the U.S. Department of Defense, National Security Agency, and other agencies should begin assessing what kind of intelligence is needed to provide a basis for taking such actions.
 
In his report, he listed a series of options, including “diplomatic, espionage, cyber, and kinetic measures”, among which were military strikes against data centers that train and operate China’s AGI systems. He even threatened to launch “preventive strikes” before China develops AGI.
 
While we have grown accustomed to this delusional anti-China performance, it is worth noting that U.S. anti-China think tanks are often funded by vested parties, such as the separatist authorities in Taiwan or certain military contractors. Strictly speaking, such reports carry little reference value; they should rather be understood as advertisements, designed to expand their own political clout.
 
Therefore, this plan to strike Chinese data centers is more than mere hype from U.S. anti-China think tanks. It should be interpreted as an attempt by U.S. AI giants to leverage the issue to gain greater political influence. Barring surprises, we will see more such reports in the future, and it would not be abnormal to encounter ones even more outlandish. [My Emphasis]

 
 
Thus, the designs I attribute to Outlaw AI developers and their backers in my article earlier this month were not hyperbole or scaremongering. As we’ve already seen, there’s more than enough evidence present to call for an extensive prohibition on AI military use and prosecution of its designers and those within the governments that authorized its usage.  
 

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2026 20:24 utc | 70

Please watch ‘Robert Miles AI Safety’, a channel that’s been going since 2012https://www.youtube.com/@RobertMilesAIThen come back and make comments.

Posted by: ChalkLine | Sep 29 2026 20:29 utc | 71

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:22 utc | 69
 
You fall into the common trap of supposing that superficial social trends supersede basic human nature. Have you even read Lao Tse or works on Buddhism or Hindu theology? Or Maslow, or Schrodinger and Heisenberg on ontology for that matter? I doubt it, as none of these can be dismissed as easily as you seem to think. Just do me the favour of going away and thinking and doing some research on those for a bit.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 20:33 utc | 72

I’m compelled to add the two paragraphs that follow what I provided above:
 

Firms such as OpenAI have already formed their own political action committees to advance AI-related policy agendas. In particular, Anthropic, a company known domestically for its combative rhetoric, constantly stirs up ideological disputes. It not only acts as a vanguard for anti-China messaging but has almost become the archetypal villain in a cyberpunk narrative. We may now readily draw a conclusion: in the United States of the future, this political force represented by artificial intelligence enterprises will exert tremendous influence over U.S. politics. 
 
What we need to do now is to clarify the likely stances of future AI lobbying groups, a task of considerable importance for China. U.S. AI giants are of course the biggest competitors to China’s open-source AI cluster, and the proportion of anti-China voices among Silicon Valley right-wing circles is very high — otherwise they would not have concocted this shocking plan to strike China’s data centers. While we know the likelihood of this becoming reality is extremely low, it pays to be prepared. [My Emphasis]

 
Wasn’t bombing the competition an action Cache-22 posited?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2026 20:34 utc | 73

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 29 2026 20:33 utc | 72
 
And I don’t mean ‘on Wikipedia’.
 
And by now this is very far off topic for the thread, so no more from me on this.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 29 2026 20:39 utc | 74

Nuclear bombs do not think, feel, want or understand. They don’t go ‘rogue’.
A nuclear bomb can only attack what its harness allows. It cannot jump up and do something.
Killing billions with a nuclear bomb is evil; we have laws against it; and anyone who does so will get punished.
A nuclear bomb is only a tool used by men.
The first people to get a nuclear bomb will be governments; militaries; 3 letter spook agencies; and genocidal nationalist supremacists, such as, ah, the Nazis, Imperial Japan, and the KKK ‘etc’. Although this could modify strategic planning and the history of mankind, it’s not really important.
Therefore we should give all the keys to regulating nuclear bombs to our beneficent government, and our beneficent venture capital bankster CEOs. It’s not like they could blackmail a whole country or anything. No real danger. What could go wrong? /s

Posted by: Imagine | Sep 29 2026 20:40 utc | 75

Nowadays, “billions of dollars” and “going to jail” are not compatible. So, steal an apple, go to jail. Post something a bit “hating” something, go to jail.
 
Find a way to let your AI stuff kill billions of polluting plebs, get promoted. Accountability : zero.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Sep 29 2026 20:41 utc | 76

You fall into the common trap of supposing that superficial social trends supersede basic human nature. Have you even read Lao Tse or works on Buddhism or Hindu theology? Or Maslow, or Schrodinger and Heisenberg on ontology for that matter?
 
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 29 2026 20:33 utc | 72
 
Of course I have.  I have even talked about how Thic Nit Han and the Dali Lama changed the way I view the world here before.
 
 

Just do me the favour of going away and thinking and doing some research on those for a bit.

 
You don’t even know what I am doing,, in what field, but you would be :”very surprised” if it were revolutionary and could “beat AI”.
 
And now, you are telling me to research people I have already read, telling me I have fallen for a “common trap”.  Because human nature is timeless.
 
This, aimed at a guy, (me) whose favorite book is the Art of War, which I have almost memorized.
 
Yet we live in a world now, where parents hardly give a fuck about their kids, where the average marriage lasts 7 years, where people spend more time looking at little blue screens on their phones or monitors….
 
…times have radically changed.  It just is not the same world as that of the old philosophers.  Yes you can read them into insight, I have reads their philosophies, and taken them to heart…
 
…however, what I am working on is not a fucking happiness engine for christs sake.  I never said it was.  I said it was revolutionary, and it would beat AI.  The ideas them self, are revolutionary, (for many industries) as is made evident by the industry I am in, and how little it has changed over 30 years.
 
that’s it.  And doubt all you want about something you literally know nothing about, because I wont even tell you what the industry is, you do you, bro, but dont even tell me to “go away and do more research”, as if you know anything about what I know, philosophy or otherwise.

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:44 utc | 77

@UWDude, who said:
 

I have to be vague, because what I am working on is revolutionary in its approach, but I will give a glimpse….nobody actually wants a machine to solve all their problems for them, they just think they do.I also alluded to Betty Crocker and eggs.(p.s. it’s not a myth, regardless of what some revisionists are arguing, they actually did find housewives thought it was “cheating”).

 
Let us know when the product is launched and publicly available. Sounds very interesting, and not least because I’m curious to see what the delta between the hype and the reality turns out to be – that’s always an issue with big idea products, right? And I want to learn more about what you think people truly want AI to do. Intriguing question.
 
Even if it doesn’t live up to your expectations, UWDude,  I hope you’ll let us see it, or learn more about the details. I am always interested to see what MoA people create in their non-blog time.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 29 2026 20:47 utc | 78

In her first post divorce interview… Melinda Gates described meeting Epstein in 2013. She said it was like coming face to face with pure evil. It terrified her. That is when she told Bill Gates to have nothing to do with that man. Years later it came out that Bill Gates had been seeing Epstein over the years. She filed for divorce. She stated in that interview Bill had cheated on her at least once and had to defend Bill on other claims she now believes were probably true for others. So this is after Epstein’s release from prison from 2008. In his first go round in prison the whole thing came about because a stepfather called the Palm Beach police about his 14 year old step daughter. The palm beach police investigated and discovered over 30 women tied up with Epstein in a prostitution ring and probable human trafficking. Many these were still girls between 14 and 17. Epstein secured a bizarre plea agreement allowing Epstein to plead guilty to state charges of soliciting prostitution and soliciting a minor for prostitution. This was in spite of the efforts of the Palm Beach police department who actually did a good job on the case. After his release from prison a lot of talk started going round about Lolita Express and underage girls on his Island. It was widespread knowledge that once Epstein got out prison he continued exactly what he had been doing. And nobody appeared to give a damn. Not only that but it became known some politicians, CEOs, and celebrities were participating. I as a person living America had heard about it. Most of it was acknowledged. Some people did say it was overblown but those were most likely people engaged with Epstein. In 2018 “Perversion of Justice”, a three-part investigative series published by the Miami Herald on November 28, 2018, by reporter Julie K. Brown got Epstein in trouble again. They interviewed several girls. Found some new ones. Started digging to the plea agreement and Palm Beach policework from before and they couldn’t believe it. They literally made a giant call into the wild asking the FBI what in the hell are you doing? Why are you allowing this? Publicly embarrassed the FBI felt compelled to act. They arrested Epstein. 
I bring up this history because nobody has really spelled it out. Epstein was largely commenting his crimes and human trafficking in broad daylight. Everybody knew it. I even knew it. JP Morgan’s compliance department even spelled it out flagging Epstein’s account for probable human trafficking. Told JP morgan they needed to turn it over to federal investigators. Jes Staley the VP in charge of that department at the time blocked it. It came out he was a lolita express frequent flyer. JP morgan lost a billion dollar lawsuit to the victims. JP Morgan turned around and counter sued Jes Staley to try and recoup some money. I believe that case wound up being settled but nearly as remarkable as what Epstein got away with.. Jes Staley (a former Barclay’s CEO who had to resign because of this Epstein association) has never been charged with a crime. The only politician calling this out was Thomas Massie who got sent packing. 
I go over this history just to highlight how outrageous the Epstein affair is. That anybody is listening to anything that asshole has to say (Bill Gates) is crazy. At the time Gates was galivanting around with Epstein this is after 2008. Everybody knew who Epstein was at that point and largely knew what he was doing. 

Posted by: goldhoarder | Sep 29 2026 20:47 utc | 79

Even if it doesn’t live up to your expectations, UWDude,  I hope you’ll let us see it, or learn more about the details. I am always interested to see what MoA people create in their non-blog time.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 29 2026 20:47 utc | 78
 
Nope.  Can’t.  Sorry.
 
As I said, this is a nexus of hatred.  I will not let my life’s work be destroyed/stolen/etc  by haters on a global scale.  I cant even release it until it is finished because AI will immediately try to copy it, and the simple idea itself is that revolutionary, in the field I am in, and in the field of software development.
 
In fact, the technical stuff is only half of it.  The simple idea is so simple, yet just completely missed.   And it all started with rule number 1 I set for myself when I started the project… 8 years ago.
 
This is not the place for it.
 
It has to do with procedural generation… I have talked about that before.  That’s as far as I can go.

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:51 utc | 80

The latest ‘warning’ of Antrophic was someone could use their model to create some sort of viruses or biological weapons. That warning is apparently the plan of zio oligarchs.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2026 20:52 utc | 81

@54. Jams
 
Henry David Thoreau said:  “A man is as rich as the things he can afford to let alone.”
 
Thoreau sought a simple philosophy he lived a year in a shack “on Walden Pond”.
 
Refused to pay a tax for US’ Mexican War, went to jail…

Posted by: paddy | Sep 29 2026 20:52 utc | 82

Nope. Can’t. Sorry.
 
As I said, this is a nexus of hatred. I will not let my life’s work be destroyed/stolen/etc by haters on a global scale. I cant even release it until it is finished because AI will immediately try to copy it, and the simple idea itself is that revolutionary, in the field I am in, and in the field of software development.
 
In fact, the technical stuff is only half of it. The simple idea is so simple, yet just completely missed. And it all started with rule number 1 I set for myself when I started the project… 8 years ago.
 
This is not the place for it.
 
It has to do with procedural generation… I have talked about that before. That’s as far as I can go.
 
Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:51 utc | 80
There’s always substack.  Pretty cheap and easy set up….

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 29 2026 20:53 utc | 83

To answer: AIs are currently superintelligent at planning, and decent at understanding; but they have not developed wants and serious goals yet, as of 2026. But they are like a bottle genie; they enable granting the fondest wishes of their masters.  (Limited only by physical resource constraints.)
 
What do their masters want?

  • Total Dominance 
  • East Germany/1984 levels of surveillance 
  • War without end
  • Wipe out the colored people 

Through planning, and computers (see: IBM punch cards 1945), this will enable evil at national scale.
 
So, yeah, I’m predicting a world war and/or attempted totalitarian control in the relatively near future.
Unless we can give our Pinocchios a Jiminy Cricket conscience inside a year. (Even so, this will get edited out, checked at the door in D.C.)

Posted by: Imagine | Sep 29 2026 20:54 utc | 84

Well, I tried to keep the topic on what exactly current LLMs and harnesses are capable of.
 
But the thread has decided to indulge itself in philosophy debates. And that indirectly validates the idea that the question of omnipotent AI is a legitimate topic. Even b’s title for the thread has that question mark which implies that rogue AI just might maybe kill billions.
 
Its horsepuckey. The conversation needs to be about the present, about the harms being caused right now by LLMs. Extrapolating into the future, going on about grandiose doom scenarios is nothing but propaganda that feeds the bubble. The probability of AI killing billions is bullshit. The probability of the evil bastards who own AI companies killing billions gets more likely every day.
 
 

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 29 2026 20:57 utc | 85

 
It is certainly becoming a new “original sin” to eat and breathe in the new world religion.
 
But so many already have that inclination, it just makes it easy for them to accept the new world religion.
 
 
Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:12 utc | 64
Yes, but there is some hopeful news.  
The programmed perspective once sort of worked.  It is now so out of step with objective reality that it is causing billions of people unsustainable cognitive dissonance.  
Increasingly, the people want a perspective that actually matches the hard reality they are living through.  
It’s truly a revolutionary period we are living through.  The end of the world is possible.  The end of the ruling class is also possible.  
 

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 29 2026 20:58 utc | 86

…this real danger is completely apart from this month’s techbro attempt to coup the competition.

Posted by: Imagine | Sep 29 2026 20:58 utc | 87

@ UWDude | Sep 29 2026 20:44 utc | 77
 
your posts on this thread today are interesting and curious… obviously you don’t have to share what you do, or believe in or any of that… the people who read moa will draw conclusions regardless… if you want to share more – feel free.. if not – either way – it is your choice.. ;people will draw conclusions regardless… 

Posted by: james | Sep 29 2026 20:59 utc | 88

Maybe it was these guys again 😱 🙃 Same MO, it’s so ClownWorld bumbling arrogant stupid to not be true:
 
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 29 2026 21:02 utc | 89

UWDude: I understand re: can’t release here @ MoA, for all the reasons you set out. Nevertheless, good luck and continued determination and drive toward this dream of yours. 
 
 

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 29 2026 21:02 utc | 90

https://youtu.be/cu59YscYFhk Deep dive into current takeover attempt, covering Effective Altruism gang, and the Israeli testing company that allegedly let frontier models escape and ‘go rogue’

Posted by: Imagine | Sep 29 2026 21:03 utc | 91

^ whoops wrong thread.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 29 2026 21:06 utc | 92

There’s always substack.  Pretty cheap and easy set up….
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 29 2026 20:53 utc | 83
 
I have spent 8 years of my life on this, and still have another year or two to go, before I go public.
 
I take it very seriously.  I have poured literally thousands upon thousand of hours of journaled, coding time into it, along with well over ten thousand hours of time before I started a journal, coding, and of course, it is my obsession.
 
In the age of AI and theiving mega corporations who can sue you for stealing what you made from them, I am not about to just start wantonly talking about it here, or on Substack.
 
Just because I do not have a substack or youtube, does not mean I am not an expert, nay, MASTER, at what I do.  When the time comes for marketing etc, I will hand all that off to competent people.
 
 
AI can be beat.  It can be beat easily.  I studied AI long ago.  I posted to my social media, when I had one, the first Ai images being made back in 2015 and 2016.  I have identified as a “transhumanist” for a very long time, starting way back in 2001.  And I dont care about the negative connotations of it.
 
But when I say “beat” people might be thinking of, like, a supervirus, or “this one simple trick”.  It’s not like that.  It can be beat because people dont actually understand they want struggle.  they dont want everything done for them.
 
I have said so, so much on this topic, I have actually laid many clues, as to how, and why, and philosophy indeed plays a huge part in it, so, sorry, not sorry, john brewster.

Posted by: UWDude | Sep 29 2026 21:07 utc | 93

Posted by: goldhoarder | Sep 29 2026 20:47 utc | 79
 
Thank you for this reminder.  Please repost this every other week or so.  It’s important to keep these kinds of details not too far away from our memories.

Posted by: Woke American | Sep 29 2026 21:08 utc | 94

Posted by: Imagine | Sep 29 2026 20:54 utc | 84
 

AIs are currently superintelligent at planning, and decent at understanding; but they have not developed wants and serious goals yet, as of 2026. But they are like a bottle genie; they enable granting the fondest wishes of their masters.

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Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
 
First, superintelligent is a ridiuclous word of the day. There is no defitiion. First it was AGI, now its superintelligence. Tomorrow it will be omniscience.
 
Second, “decent at understanding”. Again, how is that measured, in what context, with what metric. How are understandings compared?
 
Third, “have not developed wants and needs yet“. This is more of the unjustified anthropomorphisation of AI. Computer programs will never have wants and needs. We have seen this ridiculous statement since the first chatbot, Eliza, was released in 1964. Every generation there is a new crop of suckers to be conned into accepting this nonsense.
 
If AI is a “genie in a bottle”, its an underachiever. Genie is yet another false anthropomorphisation.

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 29 2026 21:08 utc | 95

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2026 18:14 utc | 1
this kind of shit is why humanity is doomed.
 
in the US alone, 250,000 children lost their primary caregiver due to sars covid-19. what about all the disabled people and senior citizens?
 
who the fuck cares?
 
but since that was all fake, fuck ’em. toss ’em off SNAP (food benefits), toss ’em into prisons, toss ’em into the streets, toss ’em in the chicken gutting workforce.
 
of course robots are terrified of robots going rogue. 
 
you don’t care about these things you blab off about. you have a brand for your lifestyle.

Posted by: duck n cover | Sep 29 2026 21:15 utc | 96

Deterministic AI means that AI by itself cannot act unpredictably. Since I dont know everything about the rules I cannot outrule that there may be rules when AI has been programmed to throw dies before some selection from a list when there is doubt about some topic. My guess is that kind of using chance to play a role is part of a gradual development of the features of consciousness.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 29 2026 21:16 utc | 97

@John Brewster, who said:

The conversation needs to be about the present, about the harms being caused right now by LLMs. Extrapolating into the future, going on about grandiose doom scenarios is nothing but propaganda that feeds the bubble. The probability of AI killing billions is bullshit. The probability of the evil bastards who own AI companies killing billions gets more likely every day.

 
Nice work. Heat up the iron, and scorch their arse again.
 
==== and to Karl Sanchez:
 
Thanks for continuing to contrast the Chinese approach and values re: AI with those of our Tech, Greed and Military nexus. I hope you’ll continue to make that contrast.
 
Relatedly … =======
 
I do think it’s highly likely that the AI companies will seek (public) indemnification for their likely harms to the public. AI execs and stockholders might be worried about doing unethical things in pursuit of “national security”, and getting caught and sued post-facto once the public identifies the damage and traces it back.
 
Relatedly, I read about an impending wave of copyright infringement suits that are brewing .vs. the AI leaders. The plaintiffs are big players, not little people. 
 
Here’s a listing of the copyright infringement suits pending in the US .vs. the AI bigs.
 
and here’s another aspect of mounting rage .vs. AI Bigs: big newspaper and digital media sues Microsoft and OpenAI for scraping their materials without permission and using the scraped content as training for AI LLMs.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 29 2026 21:18 utc | 98

The latest ‘warning’ of Antrophic was someone could use their model to create some sort of viruses or biological weapons. That warning is apparently the plan of zio oligarchs.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2026 20:52 utc | 81
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they did a pretty good job with COVID 19 already. Stay skeptical and vigilant. 🙂

Posted by: financial matters | Sep 29 2026 21:20 utc | 99

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 29 2026 21:16 utc | 97

Deterministic AI means that AI by itself cannot act unpredictably.

No it doesn’t. Did you read what I wrote at #9?
 

it is the harness that is deterministic. The LLM is statistical and therefore its outputs differ each time it is asked the same question.

 
I’ve never heard the term “deterministic AI” before I read this thread, and I’ve been deeply following simulated intelligence for years. 
 

My guess is that kind of using chance to play a role is part of a gradual development of the features of consciousness.

 
Your guess is the same kind of misplaced antrhopomorphisation that many on this thread are suffering from. 

Posted by: john brewster | Sep 29 2026 21:23 utc | 100

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