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August 30, 2026
Ukraine Open Thread 2026-188
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Ukraine and World Affairs (includes Iran/ME): Weekly Update, 28th August 2026: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs (including Iran/ME): Weekly Update Posted by: The Busker | Aug 30 2026 14:15 utc | 1 The general narrative today is focused on burying the elensky admission of negligence for the Myla warehouse siting decisions (War crimes). The aluvium is stories about Russia strikes “food warehouses” and “Russia will not talk” after Ratcliff proposed bilateral talks. Posted by: frithguild | Aug 30 2026 14:17 utc | 2 I’ll just repost something that got lost between the change of page and change of thread, I think the RF 265 ktons vs AFU 55 ktons is worth exploring. Another sign of the true results of the SMO. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 30 2026 14:39 utc | 3 “… most EU peasants being inherently anti-Russian so they will refuse to accept any reality where Ukraine would lose, resulting with accelerated timetable of Nato and EU states/UK ending up de-militarized and bankrupt.” Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 30 2026 14:40 utc | 4 Massive missile attack on Belgorod as we speak. How does Ukraine still have missiles? Why are they so hard to detect? Posted by: bored | Aug 30 2026 15:03 utc | 5
Posted by: Moustapha | Aug 30 2026 15:10 utc | 6 I’m surely not the only one who has noticed that shortly after Radcliffe’s visit in Moscow, a large number of government flights Moscow <-> Novosibirsk can be tracked on FR24, possibly to other cities as well. It seems that the planes land for a brief time only and then head back again. Posted by: Verdant | Aug 30 2026 15:14 utc | 7
Whatever else happens the Ukraine war is one for the history books in its 24/7 total news coverage. Its straight out of 1984, and the best part is so many otherwise smart and discerning people accept their two minute hates and we were always at war with Russia catechisms completely. This antithesis of freedom is the celebration of freedom. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 30 2026 15:18 utc | 8 @Neofeudalfuture | Aug 30 2026 15:18 utc | 8
That was the objective of the 2020 obedience training event. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 30 2026 15:26 utc | 9 Folks still repeating the nonsensical notion that Ratcliffe went to Moscow to propose face to face 3-way peace negotiations. Clearly that was something that could have been done on the phone, as has happened before. Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 30 2026 15:27 utc | 10 @ Fool Me Twice | Aug 30 2026 15:27 utc | 10 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 30 2026 15:34 utc | 11 You mean the CIA rat flew to Moscow to pre-announce to the Russians another CIA Dallas event? Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 30 2026 15:45 utc | 12 *** I’ve long since lost count of the number of NATO units deployed for information war and that’s even before starting on the press and internet. *** Posted by: frithguild | Aug 30 2026 15:45 utc | 13 Ratcliff went to Moscow to provide cover for Burnham et als to escape the Kiev 35th aniversary before Myla, etc. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Posted by: frithguild | Aug 30 2026 15:50 utc | 14
Indeed. I think that one could add in all wars by the US and perhaps other countries in their wars since 1984 and the Grenada invasion. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 30 2026 15:52 utc | 15 During the Clinton Presidency the message became more important than the truth
Posted by: too scents | Aug 30 2026 16:03 utc | 16 Telegram channels are reporting continuous attacks on Kyiv, as well as on Lviv and Odesa. Posted by: genesiss | Aug 30 2026 16:09 utc | 17 As English Outsider, Neofeudalfuture & Norwegian have alluded to, the total colonisation of the Western mind by the Intel-media-nexus in relation to the NATO-Russian war has manifested a new level of hypnotic influence & control. Posted by: FakeBelieve | Aug 30 2026 16:16 utc | 18 But it won’t be the Russians who’ve defeated us. We Europeans must be the first countries in history to have been so comprehensively defeated by our own information warriors. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 30 2026 16:20 utc | 19 So here we are. 3 million dead and nobody really cares. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 30 2026 16:23 utc | 20 Re: Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 30 2026 15:18 utc | 8
8 Posted by: Julian | Aug 30 2026 16:35 utc | 21 *** Largely due to the nature of the act itself, the difficulty to cut a clear definition of the assertoric practice has led to the predominance of versions that highlight the epistemic competence to perform assertions (embodied in its strongest version by the knowledge norm for asserting, for example). *** Posted by: frithguild | Aug 30 2026 16:39 utc | 22 Re: Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 30 2026 15:27 utc | 10
Posted by: Julian | Aug 30 2026 16:41 utc | 23
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 30 2026 16:41 utc | 24 If UK does a false flag, Russia should help them out by blowing up major ports in UK with Poseidon torps. You want a false flag? There you go… Posted by: unimperator | Aug 30 2026 16:51 utc | 25 Posted by: frithguild | Aug 30 2026 16:39 utc | Posted by: kupkee | Aug 30 2026 16:52 utc | 26 Ok let’s speculate…. RatCliff>? Let’s say he was summoned, since the real-estate guy and the twink were not taken seriously. “Come get your bodies, or they are going into the incinerator….you have have 3 days.” Posted by: Chevrus | Aug 30 2026 17:22 utc | 27 Sure is amusing to see EVERYONE swallowing the ‘Official’ bullshit and pontificating endlessly upon it. Posted by: Lauren | Aug 30 2026 17:26 utc | 28
Yeah they dont care but they’ll do it to be left alone. That’s the sweet spot of foreign policy indifference by the public that allows for at least incorrect at most ghoulish decisions made by our largely self appointed rulers. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 30 2026 17:31 utc | 29 I could easily forsee the english channel turning hot, similar to the Hormouz straits. Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 30 2026 17:32 utc | 30
That’s an interesting idea and could be applied to waters closer to Russian ports. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 30 2026 17:34 utc | 31 Posted by: Lauren | Aug 30 2026 17:26 utc | 28 Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Aug 30 2026 17:49 utc | 32 I too belive he was summond .. to be read the riot act. Was my first thought. Posted by: blueswede | Aug 30 2026 18:28 utc | 33 If Ratcliffe was summoned, why did he take a C-17 with him? Was there nothing else available, not even the CIA’s own executive jet fleet? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 30 2026 18:43 utc | 34 Posted by: Moustapha | Aug 30 2026 15:10 utc | 6 Posted by: scc | Aug 30 2026 18:58 utc | 35 So did Ratcliffe just invite his friends to party at his enemy’s house? Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 30 2026 18:58 utc | 36 The idea of Ratcliff being summoned sounds not bad. However, how and whom did they submit that request to? Should be a person (i) taking the Russians serious, (ii) being in a high enough position and (iii) understanding the seriousness of the situation. Posted by: BG13 | Aug 30 2026 19:00 utc | 37 Bored @ 5 Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 30 2026 19:16 utc | 38 sono andati a supplicare i russi di non attaccare la britannia e chi sa cosa hanno offerto in cambio. ma penso che questo era ultimo avvertimento agli inglesi.. la prossima volta riceveranno gli oresnik Posted by: sicario | Aug 30 2026 19:23 utc | 39 Did the Ratcliffe visit set off the bombing we are hearing Russia is doing to Ukraine? Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 30 2026 19:24 utc | 40 Am I the only one who saw the video of Ratcliff’s motorcade? 3 big black suburbans and 1 white van. That’s what was on the C17. He also had Russian police escort. Posted by: Leroy | Aug 30 2026 19:36 utc | 41 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 30 2026 16:20 utc | 19 Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 30 2026 19:39 utc | 42
Posted by: Leroy | Aug 30 2026 19:36 utc | 41 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 30 2026 19:55 utc | 43 Did the Ratcliffe visit set off the bombing we are hearing Russia is doing to Ukraine? *** Posted by: frithguild | Aug 30 2026 19:56 utc | 44 Thank you to all for your very tboughtful responses! This bar has amazingly erudite clientele, for sure!
Blessings Posted by: Lauren | Aug 30 2026 19:57 utc | 45 I dunno, how many times does a CIA director take his own vehicle fleet with him on a foreign visit? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 30 2026 20:03 utc | 46 I figured the motorcade was just an ego trip. Nothing more. The reason for the visit? I have no idea. It doesn’t make sense to me. Posted by: Leroy | Aug 30 2026 20:09 utc | 47 @Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 30 2026 20:03 utc | 46 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 30 2026 20:12 utc | 48 Just watched the video again. The plates did not look like US plates. Posted by: Leroy | Aug 30 2026 20:32 utc | 50 As long as there are enough sheeple in europe to accept what’s going on with their governments support towards ‘Ukraine’ then the conflict will inevitably come directly to them Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 30 2026 20:42 utc | 51 Dima – 20 mins – an hour ago Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 30 2026 20:47 utc | 52 Dialogue Works Posted by: unimperator | Aug 30 2026 20:57 utc | 53 EU economy is collapsing. That means less money for Kiev. Zelensky wants to funds to today from late-2027.
https://x.com/GlobalDiss/status/2094151675976024068
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 30 2026 21:04 utc | 54 unimperator: yes, let’s hope EU breaks. It’ll be painful either way but political collapse (EU) and economic collapse seem unavoidable, so they better come fast. Was happy today that the Icelanders did the right thing. Posted by: Konami | Aug 30 2026 21:20 utc | 55 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 30 2026 16:20 utc | 19 Posted by: Bearish Panda | Aug 30 2026 21:35 utc | 56 Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 30 2026 19:39 utc | 42
All of this is true. But starting the war put assets of great value (to US capital!) at risk. I still find it hard to square these two facts. Yes, Washington wanted this war, and that’s largely independent of the government / party / president,although Team Biden was particularly invested. They had the means to get their war, and they’ve been working on that goal for a long time, longer than 2014 but quite visible since at least then.
I know a few people who have. But I’d never bring up any of this in polite society. It’s the kind of topic where you drop a hint, get a knowing nod by someone who drops another hint before you get talking one-on-one. (This, by the way, is standard prodecure in totalitarian societies.) Normal people, regardless of intelligence / education, have no idea what we’re talking about here. It sounds crazy, stupid and dangerous to them. An entire subcontinent has been dumbed down for at least one generation, it’s quite something. I’d like to say it can’t go on like this forever but actually I’m not sure about that. This is why my hope is resting on China: the advent of the other super power is what can hopefully keep another in check. Posted by: Konami | Aug 30 2026 21:39 utc | 57 Zelensky wanted the press coverage of Russia hitting apartments: Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 30 2026 21:54 utc | 58 Larry Johnson is reporting on Nima’s show that Russia attacked Ukraine for 80 straight hours. Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 30 2026 22:05 utc | 59 The Nato awac squawk 7700 is commonplace; highest number of flight hours in entire airforce, over 50yrs old planes!, plagued with mechanical failure, no longer reliable awacs, poor Boeing assembly problems, old fleet, pilot errors, turbulence, replacement parts difficult to source, birds, weather, misidentified, maintenance-intensive, had transponders turned off, atc miscommunication overworked, collision with refueling tanker, crosswinds. soon to be replaced by Globaleye gothenburg möinlycke. Posted by: Time will tell | Aug 30 2026 22:14 utc | 60 I would appreciate some informed comments with regard to –
Posted by: tucenz | Aug 30 2026 22:14 utc | 61 Posted by: Konami | Aug 30 2026 21:39 utc | 57 Posted by: watcher | Aug 30 2026 22:21 utc | 62
IIRC, Konami, you experienced life in the former Deutsche Demokratische Republik. For this reason I find your contributions very interesting and valuable. Here in the U.S., it’s difficult for me to tell what the average citizen thinks in terms of support for the fiascos in Iran and Ukraine but what I would observe is that part of the support for Trump in his second campaign was because he campaigned on getting out of Ukraine and not getting involved in other foreign wars, but instead on concentrating on domestic problems. As we can easily observe all of those campaign promises were overt lies. Now that kernel of support that got Trump elected has evaporated….Trump is as unpopular as any politician in U.S. history. And, as the economic consequences of his perfidy become clearer, his popularity will suffer even more….Americans have not suffered from the effects of the actions of their politicians yet but we will for sure and soon. Unfortunately for you folks, the suffering will be greater and sooner in the EU. Posted by: Giuseppe | Aug 30 2026 22:23 utc | 63 Posted by: watcher | Aug 30 2026 22:21 utc | 62
Yes, all of that sounds alright. It means that US elites permanently overestimate the chances of their operations/wars. On top of that, there’s the fact that wars are good by themselves: the US empire cannot run on peace. (This is only partially about direct profits from arms production; there is much more than that.) Different track but similar process: the lies are eternal — no US / EU politician can come clean, as they are all sitting on iterations of institionalised lies. Posted by: Konami | Aug 30 2026 22:33 utc | 64
Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 30 2026 22:35 utc | 65 Lets cut to the chase ……. Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 30 2026 22:38 utc | 66 Julian @ 21 and ChatNPC @ 65 Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 30 2026 22:42 utc | 67 Giuseppe: yes, I experience the late DDR which was a totalitarian state but a really soft one. (Dictatorships that last more than one generation go through waves of oppression / relaxation.)
Gotta go, so my last comment is on this one: you’re using a very American metaphor here 🙂 Since Trump’s been in office, it is all over the place: “X has no cards”, “We have all the cards”, “showdown”, “play the man not the cards”. I say this because I believe that the Chinese mode of thinking is entirely different from this. Much less zero sum game, much more about division (trade), saving face and mutual gains. I may be naive but I currently believe that Beijing would *not* take the unipolar hegemon role even if they effortlessly could. Posted by: Konami | Aug 30 2026 22:44 utc | 68 typo fix on German polls: >50% say they cannot freely voice their opinion — sorry! Posted by: Konami | Aug 30 2026 22:46 utc | 69 psychohistorian | Aug 30 2026 22:05 utc | 59— *** I realised that the UK skill set had disappeared back in the Iraq conflict – cannot quite remember the event but it was in Basra and it seemed clear to me then that the UK skill set had gone. I think this skill set has further depleted and is now non-existent. ***
Posted by: frithguild | Aug 30 2026 22:51 utc | 71 That’s now 106+ hours. Posted by: frithguild | Aug 30 2026 22:58 utc | 72 re: tucenz | Aug 30 2026 22:14 utc | 61
Posted by: tucenz | Aug 30 2026 23:01 utc | 73 Massive missile attack on Belgorod as we speak. How does Ukraine still have missiles? Why are they so hard to detect? Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 30 2026 23:16 utc | 74 Posted by: too scents | Aug 30 2026 16:03 utc | 16 Posted by: watcher | Aug 30 2026 23:23 utc | 75 Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 30 2026 22:38 utc | 66 Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 30 2026 23:43 utc | 76 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 30 2026 23:45 utc | 77 HB_Norica @ 76 Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 30 2026 23:53 utc | 78 Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 30 2026 23:16 utc | 74 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 31 2026 0:22 utc | 79 So nobody found interesting the RF 265 ktons vs AFU 55 ktons… @3 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 31 2026 1:07 utc | 80 @45 Lauren. Posted by: Soviético | Aug 31 2026 1:28 utc | 81
Perhaps…..but when forced to play that kind of non-cooperative game, as the western powers seem to insist on, the Chinese do have advantages. Look, the so-called leaders in the EU and the US and NATO are openly corrupt and none of them seems to care about the welfare and/or wishes of their respective populaces. I agree that Trump is merely a convenient mouthpiece but consider this pattern….the Trump family is openly grifting using market manipulation to increase their wealth by billions of dollars…..in this respect we have a mirror image of the corruption in Ukraine. That said, there’s something like the end state of entropy looming for the West, and it’s a shame that the promise was wasted by venal parties.
Perhaps you are right and I infer that we have a similar view of the China approach vs. the western/US approach….to my observation China seems to want all of its trading partners to succeed and they have been pushed into a position of conflict because that’s the only model the west knows. It makes no sense to me from a rational PoV to think in terms of polarity at all. Larry Johnson wrote recently about the concept of multi-nodal relationships, a model where all nodes benefit from interconnections. https://sonar21.com/nodes-not-poles-why-the-new-geoeconomic-order-is-multinodal-not-multipolar/ Posted by: Giuseppe | Aug 31 2026 1:41 utc | 82 Larry Johnson claims that the reason Ratcliff took C17 to Moscow was to pick up remains of US soldiers fallen in Ukraine. Says C17 is used for this because it has refridgeration. Says US embassy in Moscows has more than enough cars and these are what was seen in videos. Posted by: jared | Aug 31 2026 1:43 utc | 83 Additional to the long list of provocations leading up to and escalating this war: Browder, Skripal, Navalny, all leading to sanctions and the Browder scam resulting in the ersatz Magnitsky Act, for which I am confident every government that imposed sanction knows damn well that Browder is a fraud, including my own Canadian government. Lucy Komisar: Posted by: nwwoods | Aug 31 2026 2:15 utc | 84 @80 Novato. I found it interesting. In my opinion, most calculations underestimate the number of casualties from the first year and a half of the war Posted by: Soviético | Aug 31 2026 2:19 utc | 85 English Outsider | Aug 30 2026 14:40 utc | 4 Posted by: fanto | Aug 31 2026 3:57 utc | 86
I think that makes the most sense as there has been no significant talk about policy changes nor have Russia and Ukraine pulled back on their strikes, instead it has been keeping up with a trajectory of escalation. Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 31 2026 4:17 utc | 87 @ English Outsider | Aug 30 2026 14:40 utc | 4 Posted by: james | Aug 31 2026 4:45 utc | 88 Neutrality studies – 40 mins Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 31 2026 5:39 utc | 89 The really alarming thing is the almost complete failure in the West to acknowledge just how close this whole thing may be to exploding exponentially. Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 31 2026 5:39 utc | 90 I would appreciate some informed comments with regard to – https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2019049831/documentary-on-death-of-new-zealand-aid-worker-in-ukraine
Posted by: tucenz | Aug 30 2026 22:14 utc | 61 Posted by: Organic | Aug 31 2026 6:29 utc | 91 Ukraine is conducting increasingly ambitious deep strikes. Posted by: acementhead | Aug 31 2026 6:48 utc | 92 There is a possibility that China has warned Russia about escalating the war because China’s foreign policy is to honor the political sovereignty of every state and to invest in that state so its citizens can afford to buy Chinese goods and services. China has learned that the people’s welfare and financial capacities depend on adequate infra structure and good educational opportunities. Posted by: snake | Aug 31 2026 7:36 utc | 93 Posted by: Konami | Aug 30 2026 21:39 utc | 57 Posted by: Cherrycoke | Aug 31 2026 7:38 utc | 94
Posted by: snake | Aug 31 2026 7:36 utc | 93 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 31 2026 7:54 utc | 95 @Cherrycoke | Aug 31 2026 7:38 utc | 94 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 31 2026 8:00 utc | 96 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 31 2026 7:54 utc | 95 Posted by: acementhead | Aug 31 2026 8:17 utc | 97
Posted by: acementhead | Aug 31 2026 8:17 utc | 97 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 31 2026 8:31 utc | 98 Cherrycoke @ 94 Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 31 2026 8:34 utc | 99 Snake Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 31 2026 8:45 utc | 100 Leave a Comment |
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