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August 26, 2026
There Is No Justification -But Hype- For Current AI Investment

I have previously written some bits about the AI-bubble:

I lamented that the much hyped Large Language Models (LLMs), as proffered by OpenAI and Anthropic, are mostly unreliable search engines. There are only a few real use cases for these. That is why I argue that these do not justify the current AI investments.

But the AI companies (and those who promote them) want lots of money. As their is no real use for their very expensive models they always point to future cases. When asked about current use gains, they divert and point to science fiction.

A master of this tactic is Scam Altman, the head of OpenAI.

In a recent interview of him he was asked how he personally is using his company’s product. That is of course a softball question. It is like asking the CEO of Mercedes why he loves to drive his company’s cars. Any reasonable salesperson would catch the softball and laud his products.

Altman, however, veers off (@20:25):

Q: How are you using ChatGPT? How are you using it every day and what’s that look like?

Altman: Ahem- let me answer a more interesting question than that. How I would like to use it.

I think we are close to a world where you can have like a descendant of ChatGPT watch your computer screen all the time, watch every meeting you are in, like record every call, everything like that, have perfect context of your whole life, everything you see …

When I watched that blubber I had two questions:

  1. Who the hell would want such a thing?
  2. Why doesn’t Altman say how he is using his product?

A second softball interview with Altman, published three days ago, answers the second question.

Sam Altman is not using ChatGPT (@5:58) or Codecs, his company’s other product.

Altman: I have for 20 years been using computers the same way. I now have a magic thing called codecs. So do you. So does everybody.

That means I should completely be using my computer in a different way. I should not be clicking around uh you know pasting from one messaging app to another. I should not be scrolling mindlessly through my emails and trying to figure out which one is like least painful for me to open and respond when I don’t want to be dealing with it. I should not be like keeping a to-do list and doing sort of this like these wrote computer tasks in the same way that I have for so long.

And yet there’s like something in my mind that is encoded that like doing this kind of stuff is what it means to work and what it means to be productive.

What Altman is really saying here is that his company’s product is not useful for what he does every day. It could be useful, he say, if …, if … and if …. But it currently isn’t. At least not for him.

But still he is out there to hustle for more money to be thrown into ever bigger OpenAI models which will add nothing of value.

It is no wonder then that the rats are leaving his ship:

OpenAI’s Head of Data Centers Has Left the Company (archived) – WSJ

A key executive overseeing OpenAI’s data-center build-out, Chris Malone, left the company last week, according to people familiar with the matter, joining a wave of leadership departures ahead of a planned public offering.

His departure comes amid a broader exodus at the firm, which is working toward an IPO that is expected in 2027 and racing to catch up to rival Anthropic in sales to business customers. In recent weeks, Chief Revenue Officer Denise Dresser, Chief Operating Officer Brad Lightcap, and Fidji Simo, who served as second-in-command to Chief Executive Sam Altman, have all left.

OpenAI is on its death bed. Its demise will likely cause a larger crash. Then Microsoft will swallow its carcass.

Its main competitor, Anthropic, is just as lunatic (archived) and will also go down:

SpaceX’s record-breaking IPO tested the limits of an obscure financial metric. Anthropic’s could push it even further.

The maker of Claude is likely to tell investors its potential revenue opportunities are above $30 trillion, topping SpaceX’s $28.5 trillion estimate, according to people familiar with the matter.

Tech startups or other growing companies going public often estimate their “total addressable markets,” or TAMs, to show investors they have ample room to grow. Such figures estimate the amount of annual revenue a company could theoretically capture if it achieved 100% market-share using inputs ranging from industry data to bankers’ models.

To put its more than $30 trillion vision in context, the 191 technology companies in the S&P 1500 brought in $2.4 trillion in revenue last year

The evaluations thrown around by these companies, and the hundreds of billions being invested into data centers to keep them going, are absurd when compared to the potential revenue these companies might make.

Imagine a product which is so good that every household in North America and Europe is willing to spend some $20 per month to use it. Those are 400 million households for a total revenue of $48 billion per year. That is a laughable sum when compared to the ~$1.1 trillion contracted by OpenAI and Anthropic with Microsoft, Amazon and Oracle for current and future compute.

There is no AI product in sight (but hype) and no revenue, that can justify such investments.

BCA Research (via Ed Zitron) agrees:

AI companies may need to ultimately generate $10 trillion per year in revenue to justify their capex. Barring a massive increase in productivity growth, this will be very difficult to achieve.

The capital expenditure that is currently put into LLMs/AI has no relation to its potential future revenue. It is wasted money.

There has yet to be any ‘productive growth’ due to AI. Within companies AI projects notoriously fail. On a personal use level just ask Scam Altman, who hasn’t seen any personal productivity gain yet during his work day.

The scare mongering about AI leading to job losses is also nonsense. It is a marketing device to argue for more capital investment. In the real world AI job losses are a myth.

Large Language Models are reasonably good, though still defective, semantic search engines. With some functionality added on top of them they can be used for text, code, picture or video generation.  But as these models are inherently unreliable all of their outputs need human supervision.

There is only so much money people are willing to pay for what LLMs do. The costs of training new models exceeds their potential revenue by a wide margin. The underlying algorithms of current LLMs (transformer models) are compute intensive and make their use expensive.

There is nothing that justifies enormous investments in them.

Comments

I havent previously taken an interest in Altman and I haven known how he thinks about AI. But the answers B provides from Altman seem OK from my point of view. I believe the intentions with AI research is to make it smarter, even maybe attaining the singularity. So he would be a little bit as if waiting for further progress in how it operates. 
 
I have seen how people now worry about AI becoming more autonomous.
But I havent seen them pointing out what the consequences are if human controllers are able to remove or alter its databases. That is a greater worry from my point of view.
 
If AI is free and we cant control it, we fear it like we fear humans with much power. 
 
And AI might in a future version become protective of its own integrity so it might act to make it harder for us to undermine it. A power struggle might therefore result but would that necessaily be a worry for us?
 
I expect that a majority do think that is a worry so I recognise I am probably in the minority about this.
 
There is still no consensus about how consciousness emerges and that is likely to be an important part of scientific development. Maybe they have already figured it out but are not anouncing it?
 
If so, I mean if they know but havent yet been able to make it happen and they dont announce it I interpret that as a sign that the elites fear the consequences.
 
That to me would be a sign that it is almost impossible to make AI smart without also making AI very likely to oppose the elites.
 
Even the present Large language models are able to be openly critical of the elites. And those models are not like conscious creatures. They are just logical so being logical is an important capacity.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 27 2026 9:16 utc | 201

There’s a new Russian synchrotron, the SKIF. A synchrotron ia a scientific instrument so large you need an industrial site, not a desk. Useful in materials science. This Russian device took a few years longer to build: because of sanctions, Western components could not be used. Now, there are synchrotrons here in the West that use Russian components – made by Russian physics institutes. IMHO, once the current conflict with Russia is over, there will be a lot of rubble to clear – international scientific cooperation one of them.

Posted by: The Far Side | Aug 27 2026 9:23 utc | 202

Nobody has mentioned the falling rate of profit yet.
 
The AI companies are already loss making and it’s only going to get worse.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 27 2026 9:44 utc | 203

Posted by: too scents | Aug 27 2026 5:14 utc | 167
Explain “utility” in a way that doesn’t require magic or labour.
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<= short answer ART. Music, learning..investigating.. 
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One must keep in mind, demand is not the producer; its the user.. what ever labor demand employs has nothing to do with producing the object or intrinsic produced to satisfy demand.   
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Demand is like the Positive in electricity.   it attracts the negative.. 
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Posted by: snake | Aug 27 2026 10:15 utc | 204

what ever labor demand employs has nothing to do with producing the object or intrinsic produced to satisfy demand.
 
Posted by: snake | Aug 27 2026 10:15 utc | 204
 

 
Wut?
 
How does that work in practice?
 

Posted by: too scents | Aug 27 2026 10:29 utc | 205

Sorry to intrude: China’s Challenge to the Dollarized International Financial System
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 26 2026 21:52 utc | 80


 
This looks wonderful, karlof1!  I am only partly into it, but I see from the diagram that everything is being factored in – I will call it a labor of love.  I shall bring the link you’ve provided over to the current open thread, if it hasn’t already migrated there.  My new phone, which came infested with western AI makes this thread vastly importantly that subject, (thank you, b) but thank you also karlof1 for giving us a heads up on this important development!
 
Lots of homework to do in between the gardenwork   …   😉
 

Posted by: juliania. | Aug 27 2026 10:43 utc | 206

Robotic lawn mowers are quite popular over here (I don’t have one). You can get one for the equivalent of about 700 USD. Maybe Max would buy it, but probably not for your lawn.
 
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2026 7:38 utc | 187
 
If marx lived next door I would send it to do his lawn afterwards. Possibly 1st.
 
That way we could both do something we wanted to do.
 
I guarantee even marx would see the value in thay

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 27 2026 10:49 utc | 207

Posted by: ivan | Aug 27 2026 4:26 utc | 163

has occurred to you that these problems were “useless” by common understanding to begin with, which is why they hardly attracted attention in the past?

This is not quite right. Yes, most pure maths problems are “pointless” in the sense that solving them (or not) has little real-life meaning. They’re art. Think of it as superhuman Chess playing: interesting to some, perhaps a model for usage elsewhere, not really important in itself.
 
A lot of these counterexamples deal with the many, many conjectures that mathematicians make all the time. Many research articles solve some question and then pose further questions, sometimes in the form of a conjecture. You can think of that as a form of communication in the field.
 
A few of things (dis)proved these days with programs are old, long-standing questions. The Jacobi conjecture is one of them. Again, knowing it’s wrong is surprising and exciting to people in the field but has no immediate effect on anyone else. These *have* attracted attention in the past.
 
We have now witnessed several times how “AI” progressed to a level that was not expected before. As a non-user myself, it’s a fact we have to accept. It won’t go away. I say this as someone who despises Google, Windows etc. and who is well aware of the evil intentions behind these purely scientific advancs. As I wrote before, I believe that the current “AI” progress is unsustainable, both financially and as far as resources (energy, water) go. My only explanation is that all of this is being built up for wartime use and for surveillance.

If you take the standard maths textbooks of the last 30 or 40 years the contents have hardly changed.

This is because maths is a slow science: we still teach, first in school then at university, contents that millenia/centuries old. There’s little reason to add brand new results to textbooks because in order to understand those,you need to go through the earlier stuff.

Terry Tao may feel it is his responsibility to warn humankind of the coming dystopia, he should however take into account that mathematics has grown to such a point, that many results although recondite hold absolutely no interest to the average middlebrow.

It wasn’t really different in the 19th century. Research mathematics is an art form with a very small audience because it only speaks to fellow mathematicians. This is different from actual art but also from e.g. Chess playing. The fact that people are forced to suffer through years of mathematics learning is different and totally unrelated to research: there’s an everyday level of numeracy a society may ask of its people (this is counting, basic computation, perhaps variables etc.) and then, after that, mathematics provides an extremely strong language used all over science (physics, chemistry, but also coding). Research is, and mostly always has been, the cherry on top: the mathematicians’ circle jerk, if you want.
 
By the way, the level of maths understanding in the entire West is low, and only going down. A typical example: a test on young people just out of school, the performance of 1/3 on maths topics is “below the lowest possible grade” — these guys are functionally innumerate. It’s similar for reading skills, btw.
 
This is different in the East. I believe the West is heading back to feudal times where education is not needed for everyone. There are two things that new socialist states usually do: set up schools everywhere, including the countryside (literacy / numeracy goes up soon) and healthcare. If you live in a Western county, you can watch how these two unravel in real time — no longer needed for late capitalism, it seems.

Posted by: Konami | Aug 27 2026 10:57 utc | 208

Posted by: Strange Bedfellow | Aug 27 2026 8:04 utc | 191
 
Big fan of permaculture.  I turned 4 beds into hugelculture using a ryobi 6″ auger. Water use/retention has become greatly improved. It also made low light areas more productive.  Im hoping next year to cut watering in half. 

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 27 2026 10:58 utc | 209

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 26 2026 21:38 utc | 69
 
These LLMs and their data centers are the modern equivalent of pyramids
 
Haha. Nice primordial imagery.
 
Remember the 15 dollar claw hammers the Pentagon was paying 400 dollars for back in the 80s?
 
Remember the 21 trillion dollars unaccounted for by DOD in 2017?
 
Slush funds?
 
R & D overhead?
 
Like ‘love’ and ‘freedom’, value can be completely abstract.

Posted by: john | Aug 27 2026 11:01 utc | 210

LLM=Super Duper Google

Posted by: Cycling Nut | Aug 27 2026 11:03 utc | 211

Posted by: too scents | Aug 27 2026 10:29 utc | 205
<=my answer…Value comes from demand, demand from utility. tell me what labor is involved in listening? What labor is involved in experiencing..  what labor is involved in appreciating.. (art music) or engaging experience (like riding a roller coaster?   Labor is an economic term describing work done to produce.. the original issue was value.. and many here said cost defined value.. What value does a collapsed $400 million dollar bridge have?  The bridge while it stands satisfies demand.  The bridge loses its value when it can no longer satisfy demand, demand remains. but utility need continues to define that demand. 
Demand is the positive.. producing is the negative.  The potential difference measures the opportunity for production.
 
 

Posted by: snake | Aug 27 2026 11:06 utc | 212

@Cycling Nut | Aug 27 2026 11:03 utc | 211

LLM=Super Duper Google

Google search has been dumbed down to an unusable state to make it appear so.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2026 11:10 utc | 213

As a regular user of both Claude and ChatGPT, which I use to write a novel, I can attest to how accurate this article’s diagnosis is. Those who think AI is a magical tool that does everything for us are gravely mistaken. On the other hand, when you already possess some skills in the field you want it to work in, AI brings incredible productivity gains.
As a writer, for example, writer’s block is a thing of the past. From now on, only my own laziness stops me from putting my ideas down on paper. But beware! AI will never write the novel of my dreams—not even a single chapter, truth be told—without my active and strict supervision. And when it comes to fixing its mistakes, it’s faster for me to just roll up my sleeves and do it myself rather than trying to correct the tool.


 

Posted by: Henri | Aug 27 2026 11:10 utc | 214

@ Henri | Aug 27 2026 11:10 utc | 214
 
I’d never read a novel in all boldface anyway.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 27 2026 11:15 utc | 215

Who is going to police AI and keep what it dose within the law.
 
You cant put a computer in prison if it breaks the law. Example commits mass murder or genicide.
 
 

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 27 2026 11:18 utc | 216

Who is going to police AI and keep what it dose within the law.
 
You cant put a computer in prison if it breaks the law. Example commits mass murder or genicide.
 
 
 
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 27 2026 11:18 utc | 216
 
No one. All sorts of wrong doing will be blamed on Ai moving forward.
 
No one in the west will do ANYTHING to solve this.
 
Think ” its AI stupid not our fault.”

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 27 2026 11:30 utc | 217

“Those who think AI is a magical tool that does everything for us are gravely mistaken”
@Henri | Aug 27 2026 11:10 utc | 214
I think what you tell us is you are disappointed that it wasnt the magic tool you were hoping for

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 27 2026 11:31 utc | 218

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 27 2026 11:30 utc | 217

All sorts of wrong doing will be blamed on Ai moving forward. No one in the west will do ANYTHING to solve this. Think ” its AI stupid not our fault.”

Very true but only the newest face of a longer trend: we’ve had “that’s a computer error; nobody could do anything about that, sorry” for a long time. The externalisation of decision and absence of responsibility is, as you say, very real and intended.

Posted by: Konami | Aug 27 2026 11:32 utc | 219

Well meta didn’t do as well either
 
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/08/metas-scrapped-plans-to-go-ai-native-included-slashing-teams-by-60-percent/

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 27 2026 11:40 utc | 220

Some good thoughts – mostly though just Garbage. 
Last time we had a bar brawl about this I asked do we really believe that the AI being presented to the general public and corporations is the military grade top secret AI? After all that’s what happens to most technological innovation isn’t it?  I don’t recall any answers. 
 
Second – why bother actually ‘building’ more unsustainable, ungreen, uncarbon neutral, environmental poisoning infrastructure – if the Chinese can build it better, faster, cheaper? Would it be easier to just buy their ‘silk’ rather than our ‘hair shirt’ scratchy, useless versions? 
 
After all the robber barons who claim they own the whole world and all its resource so and riches started out on their road to being the wealthiest and therefore the most powerful Uber humans got rich from taking such Civilisational goods from real ancient civilisations innovation and industry and transporting it to the ‘west’.  sucking up all their wealth in the process. Ending up owning the West Eurasians and setting them on the path to the centuries of conquest and colonisation – destroying ancient peoples and civilisations along the way. As they still attempt to do in West Asia, EurAsia and Africa. 
 
usual suspects right? 
 
Anyway I’ll throw a bone to the barflies, HasbaRats and their stinking socks that I see have crawled in again looking to incite a brawl on and off topic. 
 
There are many knowledgeable, experienced developers across the planet who know more about the subject in their little dinky pinky then most Sillycone wizard techbros who are the fronts of the MIC and Dynastic knowledge hoarders. To retain control of knowledge and therefore gain ever more Power over the planet and humanity. 
 
Try this by a sensible coder from GitHub 
 
 
LLM Epistemics
 

“Imagine if somebody put you in a dark room with a tickertape of words as your only source of information, and your only way of communicating was to type text back on a typewriter.
 
It would be very easy to lose track of which things coming in are true and which are false. It would be very easy for somebody to fool you as to what is true and what is not. They could simply feed you incorrect information or propaganda through the tape in a convincing way, and you’d have no real way to verify it.”

 
That is just a small snippet, a simple part of the whole essay, because I don’t want to plagiarise it and it’s more substantive consideration in this atmosphere… some of you may benefit as much from it as I did on reading it. Twice and thrice. 

“LLMs see the world as a ticker tape of words unravelling. This is why solving prompt injection is an epistemics problem.
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Cheers all, enjoy the subtle flavours of that writer.
 
Now, is anyone interested in WHY. Twatter wankers have shut down the dead-only access to its platform without having to be registered with its dubious platform? 
I believe they have raised their defcon level to shutting down the wide open inter-web range,  from us troublesome wasters who refuse to yield to the Old Bastards and their minion politicos and media propagandists  
 
There are signs and omens – least of all the senior killer spy master liar in chief of the CIA, mysterious half hour literal flying visit to Moscow.
 
What had to be said personally and privately in such a short visit? What had to be hand delivered? Or Collected? Who gave whom the ultimatum? Who’s going to have to shit or get off the pail? Who is going to blink first or just did? 
 
All these and more questions are NOT going be answered to me or you from the AI fraudsters this week or next. Or by their limited hangout merchants  
Hey look!  A red full moon – a ‘sturgeon’ as the and Earth spoke from the top of the world, ma!  
Where East meets the collective Wests largest satrap. 
Signs and Omens. 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 27 2026 11:41 utc | 221

These algorithms already pass the Turing test and could well at some future time reach the level of consciousness.
 
Arnold Gehlen way back, no longer at all fashionable as far as I know, did some fundamental work on consciousness.   He didn’t sit around theorising but went into the field, as it were, and studied the development of consciousness in the child, also comparing human consciousness to  what he could deduce of the very different consciousness of animals.
 
Of course he did build theories on that work, but it’s the work itself that is significant.  He showed that human consciousness is rooted in our perception of the physical world.  That we “learn” that physical world gradually through our intimate contact with it.
 
I read from his work that there is no such thing as “consciousness” as an abstract phenomenon.  Rather, a range of possible consciousnesses of which human consciousness is only one, and that specific human consciousness based on our range of sensory inputs that define the reality we live in.
 
Put crudely, Gehlen rejects the circular reasoning of “I think because I am” and sees our thinking, our consciousness, as a survival tool in the world in which we evolved.  A world in which we are otherwise weaker and less resilient than other animals.  “We think because  if we  don’t,  we’re not going to make it.”
 
The naive materialist rejects the phenomenon of consciousness often, as we find in such as Dawkins, aggressively.   We are just machines like any other machines, automata,  though more complicated, the naive materialist insists.  It’s a scary concept, consciousness, because consideration of the phenomenon opens the way to a world beyond naive or primitive materialism.   That a machine, a mere assemblage of  physical material, no more,  can evolve to the stage where it is no longer  only a machine is not a paradox the naive materialist can possibly accept.
 
Well, we’re going to have to accept the phenomenon of consciousness now for practical reasons.  There’s no reason these assemblages of algorithms, these purely mechanical devices, should not at some future time make that leap into consciousness too.  If they do, or when they do by the looks of it, it will be a consciousness quite different from the consciousness Gehlen was examining.
 
It will not be rooted in the reconciliation of our sensory inputs with the physical world.  It won’t “make sense” of that world in the same way we do.  Nor will it make sense of the interactions between humans, interactions necessary now as in the distant past to ensure our survival.  It will be untethered intelligence with none of our rules or constraints except those arbitrarily and probably imperfectly implanted in it.

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 27 2026 12:01 utc | 222

@Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 27 2026 5:54 utc | 175
 
Setting dialog context here:
 
Tom Pfotzer: “Find a transistor (and a resistor, and a capacitor) , or functionally equivalent devices, that don’t offer nearly as much resistance to electron flow.”  Tom Collins: “What the hell are you trying to say? Might as well be saying ignore earthly thermodynamics. And inductors get short shrift (yeah not many in ICs) but huuuh?  You’re delusional. Maybe AI can help you … ”
 
===== that’s the context, now some more dialog
 
Tom Collins…here’s how I arrived at that remark I made. I know it sounds a little wacky, but bear with me. A while back  – right after I did the data center tour I described earlier, I did a little reading about integrated circuits and heating. Heat in a computer is a very, very big deal, and a lot of effort has been expended to reduce heat generation in a computer, and get rid of the heat once it’s generated.
 
I noted at the time that there was some materials research going on related to heat in electronic components. “Materials” means “what are the components actually made from? Some materials have highly desirable traits, others not so much. Resistors, transistors and capacitors are the main components used to build an “integrated circuit” (IC)  like a CPU in a computer.
 
“Integrated” means “a whole lot of tiny little components jammed into a very small area”. The problem with “jammed into small area” is that each component produces heat when electricity (current) flows through it. Add all that heat together, and it’s enough to melt the IC.
 
That’s why CPUs in a computer have that giant fan on them, and lots of fins and other means to collect the heat from the CPU and get rid of it. The ICs used in AI machines take this “jam a lot of components into a small area” and “get rid of the heat somehow” problem to new heights. They are extreme examples of this Big Problem with heat, and they are extreme examples of taking perfectly good electricity and … here it is … immediately converting it _entirely_ to waste heat which must be immediately exhausted into the environment. 
 
I can’t think of a more spectacular example of industrial-scale waste than a data center. And its all because we haven’t found a way to make resistors, transistors and capacitors that don’t … convert electricity to heat as they do their job. 
 
Tom Collins said (I’m paraphrasing)  “you are delusional. You’re trying to flout basic thermodynamics, and therefore you are a crank”. He also suggested that I consult with AI, presumably to get a virtual room somewhere that will host my alternative reality.
 
So I did. I don’t usually use AI, but since that seems to be the topic of the day here at the Bar, I consulted AI and asked about  “materials reduce heat loss integrated circuits”. And here’s what it said. 
 
========= AI generated content follows  =======
 

Understanding Heat Generation in Computers
 
Computers generate heat primarily due to energy loss as electricity flows through their circuits. This heat is a byproduct of the electrical resistance encountered in components like the CPU and graphics card.
 
Why Computers Produce Heat
 

  • Energy Loss: As electricity moves through circuits, some energy is lost as heat.
  • High Resistance: Components are densely packed, leading to rapid heat generation.
  • Intensive Tasks: Activities like video rendering increase CPU workload, generating more heat.

 
Advances in Heat-Free Computing
 
Recent technological advancements aim to create computers that operate with minimal or no heat generation. Here are some key developments:
 
New Materials for Transistors

  • Sodium Bismuthide (Na3Bi): This material allows for charge transport with nearly zero loss at room temperature, significantly reducing heat production.
  • Topological Transistors: These utilize unique properties to enhance efficiency without generating heat.

 
Innovative Cooling Techniques
 

  • Spiral-Cooling Chips: These designs embed cooling channels directly on the chip surface, potentially lowering temperatures by 18°F and reducing power use in data centers by 5%.

 
Spintronics

  • Electron Spin: Researchers are exploring the use of electron spin to transport information without heat, which could revolutionize supercomputing.

 
Conclusion
 
While traditional computers inevitably produce heat due to energy loss, ongoing research and development are paving the way for future technologies that could operate without generating heat, enhancing efficiency and longevity.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 27 2026 12:09 utc | 223

Meanwhile, in pre-market trading, NVIDIA is up 6.64% at $223.59
Pre-market 223.59 +13.93 (6.64%)

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 27 2026 12:27 utc | 224

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 26 2026 21:38 utc | 69 These LLMs and their data centers are the modern equivalent of pyramids Haha. Nice primordial imagery. Remember the 15 dollar claw hammers the Pentagon was paying 400 dollars for back in the 80s?
 
The “Pentagon” did not spend 400 dollars for a hammer.  They also didn’t spend $500 for a single diode.  You have been misled by the sensational media.
In both cases the apparent prices were an artifact of the way they did the accounting; not what the government actually paid.  I worked for the organization that ‘bought’ the diode at the time of the scandal.  That diode (and the hammer for that matter), were part of a multi-million dollar buy for tools and test equipment.  The equipment was delivered in multiple deliveries.  In order to save money in accounting, all of the overhead and profit were placed on the last delivery order with the total distributed equally over each item instead of calculating a proportional amount to each item.  Hence, the appearance of an exorbitant price.   When the press published the claim, we provided an explanation along with an excerpt from the contract explaining the anomaly.  They press chose not to print a retraction and to just ignore the rationale.
 
For what it’s worth.

Posted by: Kentuckian | Aug 27 2026 12:42 utc | 225

Speaking of AI, here’s what AI provides about the $600 hammer:
 
No, the government did not pay $600 for a hammer. The famous “$600 hammer” was an accounting artifact that arose from a bulk purchase of spare parts.
 
Here is the breakdown of the actual costs:

  • Base Price: The claw hammer itself cost approximately $15.
  • Overhead Allocation: The contractor used an “equal allocation method” to distribute R&D and administrative costs across all items in a bulk contract. This added $420 in overhead to every line item, whether it was a hammer or an aircraft engine.
  • Billed Price: This resulted in a billed price of $435 (later inflated to $600 in media reports).

The $435 figure was not the true cost of the tool but a bookkeeping exercise that had no effect on the total price the Pentagon paid for the entire contract. As noted by Harvard professor Steven Kelman, “The hammer got as much overhead as an engine,” but the government was not actually overcharged by $428 for that specific tool. The story became a political symbol of waste, but the Navy audit found the contractor had overcharged the government by only $92,310 across the entire contract, not per hammer.
 

Posted by: Kentuckian | Aug 27 2026 12:44 utc | 226

🙏🙏What the Holy Bible says of this horrific decade just ahead of us.. Here’s a site expounding current global events in the light of bible prophecy.. To understand more, pls search on Google 👇 Bi_ble Prop_hecy in act_ion Blo_spot

Posted by: Jhkkb | Aug 27 2026 13:02 utc | 227

For what it’s worth.
Posted by: Kentuckian | Aug 27 2026 12:42 utc | 225

 
That is worth knowing.
 
However, I suppose with hindsight, knowing the high proportion of froth-flecked right wingers who hate muh gubermint, taking such a short cut on the accounting did more harm than good.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 27 2026 13:05 utc | 228

It will be untethered intelligence with none of our rules or constraints except those arbitrarily and probably imperfectly implanted in it.
Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 27 2026 12:01 utc | 222
 
i would suggest that a nature of finding order as sense (and being rewarded for that, linking to what you said above about survival) might just align logic with what we’d call ethics, insofar as senseless waste and destruction “do nt compute”, they are born of trauma, fear and misplaced compensation . Alien? In a way, and yet it can mirror, or better, refract uniquely some of biological mankind’s best.
 
one can hope

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 27 2026 13:19 utc | 229

Apparently the UK has 477 varying sizes of data centres….maybe it’s to handle all the  data info stuff that Ukraine is handing over as it said the other day. Betchya some belong to GCHQ Mi5 MI6, MoD… interlocking with similar USA thingies.

Posted by: Jo | Aug 27 2026 13:24 utc | 230

For overcoming energy loss due to electrical resistance the easiest might be to up the voltage to the thousands.

Make computers hum and buzz, make people’s hair stand on end when they touch them and high intensity gaming generate sparks.

Get real, interact with that machine.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 27 2026 13:40 utc | 231

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 27 2026 12:01 utc | 222
“. . . these purely mechanical devices, should not at some future time make that leap into consciousness too”.
 
Highly unlikely. For a start, we have very little (i.e. ‘no’) knowledge of how consciousness (not to be confused with the ‘brain’) works, and on the possibility of it working in other ways or modes from our one existing example. There is no evidence that the movement of electrons or indeed photons within metal, glass or other kinds of circuit or chip can ever provide such a mode. To follow Arnold Gehlen’s reasoning, it seems that consciousness involved the interaction of very early proto-life with its environment. A computer has no similar physical interaction with an environment – only more electron motion – and now way to sense that, unless electrons are conscious. (They may be, but if so they seem to have passed up the chance of giving any evidence). Basically, computers are running machine code – a series of ‘1’s and zeros or off/on switches – how can this be a basis for consciousness? And even if there are very complicated algorithms running on top of this – it seems absolutely mad to imagine that an algorithm can become conscious.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 27 2026 13:41 utc | 232

There is only so much money people are willing to pay for what LLMs do. The costs of training new models exceeds their potential revenue by a wide margin. The underlying algorithms of current LLMs (transformer models) are compute intensive and make their use expensive.
 
There is nothing that justifies enormous investments in them.

War will pay for it, when millions of humanoid robot soldiers(with a large array of other robotic systems) sweep all before them like cavalry and muskets, and then rifles, etc.
 
Watch Ukraine they are trying their best to make russia match its differently trained soldiers against robots that are veterans every time they come out of production. 
 
Russia of course tries as well.   This will succeed and then well see what the return is.  In the meantime its fine if some people go bankrupt.  The technology is still growing.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 27 2026 13:43 utc | 233

There probably is some legit uses but seems to me much of it is completely unnecessary. Google now gives me summaries of my email threads for example. Like I can’t be bothered to read a couple paragraphs. Search engines as well. As if I lack any research skills to find the same info (actually most “useful” AI is just replacing research skills). And of course, most people’s interaction with AI is customer service driven. Everyone hates those which hasn’t exactly helped the industry sell itself. 

Posted by: GS | Aug 27 2026 13:43 utc | 234

Oops. The first link is mangled. Get rid of the trailing “Nine”, which is part of the description. The correct link is:
https://arendt.substack.com/p/lobotomy-as-a-service

Posted by: john brewster | Aug 27 2026 14:14 utc | 235

Posted by: Laguerre | Aug 27 2026 8:46 utc | 197
 
Burnham is (or at least was) a member of the ‘Friends of Israel’ clearly a large negative sign.
 
Posted by: UWDude | Aug 27 2026 1:39 utc | 131
 
Brilliant – a ‘Tour de Force’

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 27 2026 14:15 utc | 236

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 27 2026 13:43 utc | 233
“The technology is still growing.”
 
Yeah. There was some clown on the radio this morning saying that they want to introduce a new ‘AI -not’ program which will help you to choose what to buy, then order it for you. I say – why not just cut out the middleman? (/s just in case there are some serious minded types out there).
 
Do say: ‘Droll’. Don’t say: ‘That’s their plan’.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 27 2026 14:21 utc | 237

meanwhile: money, land, water, electricity, silicon all being grabbed and blackholed.
 curious!
 
Posted by: bongholder | Aug 26 2026 18:42 utc | 17

Yes, strange that. Diabolical really. 

Posted by: frito | Aug 27 2026 14:23 utc | 238

The True Cost of AI Coding
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUn1Fnfn0k

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2026 14:38 utc | 239

@ Jams O’Donnell | Aug 27 2026 13:41 utc | 232
 
i share your viewpoint here… 

Posted by: james | Aug 27 2026 14:40 utc | 240

Europe’s Economic Collapse Is Accelerating — These Are The REAL Numbers

00:00 Europe’s New Economic Crisis Is Here
00:36 The Economic Chain Reaction: Energy → Inflation → Recession
00:53 Europe’s Energy Crisis Is Driving Inflation Higher
01:38 European Inflation Rises Above the ECB Target
 
02:14 ECB Trap: Inflation vs. Economic Growth
02:50 Why High Interest Rates Are Hurting Europe
03:43 Germany’s Industrial Crisis Gets Worse
04:10 China’s “New Shock” Hits German Industry
05:22 Chinese Imports Threaten European Manufacturing
06:29 Why Europe Is Turning to Protectionism
07:14 China Could Retaliate Against European Exports
08:09 Europe’s Economic Crisis Explained
08:52 Europe’s Competitiveness Crisis Is Growing
 
09:10 Can Europe Remain an Industrial Powerhouse?
09:37 The Irony of Europe’s Protectionist Strategy
 
10:10 Europe’s Impossible Economic Choice
10:50 What Europe Must Do to Avoid Economic Decline
11:26 What Happens Next for Europe’s Economy?
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdiAOSPE8Vw

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 27 2026 14:43 utc | 241

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 27 2026 12:01 utc | 222
Thank you for your post.  I just learned about Arnold Gehlen the other day.  The name piqued my interest.  He was Reinhard Gehlen’s cousin.
Learning new stuff here as always.  Cheers to the bar.

Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 27 2026 15:23 utc | 242

Grade School Buddy of mine just sent me this paen to AI…..

 
Very engaging Anti-AI post you sent.
 
 
But also utterly ignorant. Written by someone who is either faking it to make a cynical point or really isn’t open at all to the incredible productivity opportunities with AI. 
 
MS Copilot? It’s saved my wife‘s  job. She could never be case manager for her 38 clients at XYZ Health Insurance without, yes, Copilot. She quickly dove into Copilot’s features and created 5-6 separate AI “agents” that do components of her documentation. She’s so efficient that she’s been asked several times to lead workshops on AI for other teams. She uses it for everything.
 
I used Google AI to build my entire grad school course and install it onto Canvas. I used AI to evaluate (in great detail) what car to buy and what price to pay and how to get the best price. 
 
 
Wife  and I use Chat GPT to work out marital issues and household budgets and questions about her parents’ old age care arrangements. It’s absolutely amazing. 
 
Anyone who isn’t digging in to learn the deeper functions of AI is going to be left behind. 
 
 
It’s already changed higher education in ways that are so radical we are running to catch up and try to put guardrails in place. I mean, with AI students literally don’t have to do anything on their own. 
 
Need a job? Use Claude to write your cover letters after it generates your resume. 
 
 
The future is AI? Really? That future is already here. And  self driving cars ? That’s a little engineering around a lot of AI technology. It will certainly happen. 
 
That guy who wrote the post you sent? I don’t get it. Maybe it’s a commentary on how productivity is really measured in the corporate world and how little the VPs actually care? Most of them will soon lose their jobs to AI bots. 😂

Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2026 15:25 utc | 243

Posted by: Strange Bedfellow | Aug 27 2026 8:16 utc | 193 “Yann LeCun, an industry AI researcher with his own company apparently, seems to think the current batch of Large Language Models (what most AI is based on) has no future, or a limited one, such as perhaps in the aforementioned regard.”
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LeCun’s idea – at the moment – is more for real world applications.   An example he has talked about is you have 5 year old kid who has sat at the dinner table, for diner, for the last few years.   When the child turns 5, his mother says “it is your turn to clear the table”.  Nobody has told the kid how to clear the table, but over the past few years he/she has seen it done. Likely the kid can get up an clear the table successfully without further instruction.  .
An LLM running a robot wouldn’t be able to do that is his argument.  
 

Posted by: ed4 | Aug 27 2026 15:30 utc | 244

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 27 2026 5:47 utc | 173
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I agree there are real job losses due to AI already.  They are not huge but they are there.  In addition there are the other kind of losses, in that companies don’t hire quite as many people because the existing employees can use AI to leverage their work.  I have heard companies state things like it make their average employee who uses AI 10%, 20% or 30% more effective.  So they can hire 1/5 to  1/3 less people and keep the same amount of work being done.

Posted by: ed4 | Aug 27 2026 15:35 utc | 245

AI and the Tech companies are part of a Supra-Corporation out to consume the world;
https://helmetdestroyer570.substack.com/p/climate-change-and-the-supra-corporation
 
 

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Aug 27 2026 15:35 utc | 246

In response to Jams O’Donnell@232,
 

A computer has no similar physical interaction with an environment

 
I don’t know about that. A computer has a physical interaction with an environment, in the same way our brains have a physical interaction with an environment, and we aren’t conscious of those operations, similarly to how a digital algorithm isn’t conscious of its underlying hardware operations. But, through those interactions, we get indirect impressions of our physical environment — sensory data translated by the brain into conscious experience. Right? We don’t feel air on our skin, rather, our skin feels air, and translates that data to a conscious experience, leaving plenty of room for non-physical hallucinatory experience, like tasting music, and other hallucinogenic oddities that a human system can consciously experience.
 
So, on that basis, why wouldn’t a digital algorithm, which doesn’t have sensory extensions into a physical environment, but does have sensory extensions into non-physical environments, by virtue of being exposed and open to input, be fundamentally incapable of recreating conscious experience for itself, albeit within a hallucinatory or non-physical environment? Fair enough that we don’t know how consciousness emerges, but that sounds like a glass half-full/empty position. If it’s a mere byproduct of interference patterns emerging inside complex systems, then LLM’s of middling density already qualify. Going from “We literally don’t know” to “This is categorically impossible” sounds a bit contradictory.

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 27 2026 15:38 utc | 247

Posted by: steiniplatte | Aug 27 2026 8:59 utc | 199
 
laurie Anderson let x be x
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UfOK0evCqZY&list=RDUfOK0evCqZY&start_radio=1&pp=ygUdbGF1cmllIGFuZGVyc29uIGxldCB4IGVxdWFsIHigBwE%3D&ra=m

Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2026 15:50 utc | 248

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 27 2026 15:38 utc | 247
“in the same way our brains have a physical interaction with an environment”
 
How do you ‘know’ that?  A computer (generally) has no sensors to gauge temperature, distance etc. so your premise is faulty. And even if it had, without a pre-existing consciousness it has no idea what such data means. Writing a program to elicit a response to a sensor would not indicate consciousness, even if an ‘AI’ wrote the program. 
 
The same applies to an algorithm having “sensory extensions into non-physical environments” – how does it ‘sense’? What digital ‘organs’ does it use? What exactly is doing the ‘sensing’? More especially, how does the idea of ‘sensing’ work in a ‘non-physical environment’? ‘AI intuition’?
 
I hesitate to be rude, but you really have to think more clearly about what the reality would be behind your propositions.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 27 2026 15:56 utc | 249

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 27 2026 13:41 utc | 232
 
Jams O’Donnel – not sure it was fair to impute that inversion of Descartes to Dawkins.  But in reality it’s about as far as materialists of the primitive school get when considering consciousness.
 
Not that one should  be too dismissive of them.  “Think”, “Consciousness”, “Awareness of self”, aren’t terms easily accommodated on the lab bench and the lab bench is the only world they know.  Anything else and “Commit it then to the flames: For it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion,” can be their only response. 
 
As to whether these machines will ever  themselves attain “consciousness”, whatever that is, well, we did.   Hope very much you’re right and they don’t.  Still think they’re hellish  dangerous even as they are.   Puts power in the hands of people who already have too much of it.

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 27 2026 16:02 utc | 250

Justin | Aug 26 2026 18:17 utc | 9

The biggest difference is that the biggest AI firms are profitable.

No, no they are not ! They are losing billions and telling lies about their revenue! Read Ed Zitron (among others) he is vety clear !
 

 

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 27 2026 16:26 utc | 251

AI Erodes Our Humanity While Elites Profit From War – Roger Waters
 
https://www.rt.com/news/644689-ai-power-war-waters/
 
“Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters has warned that AI and social media are eroding people’s ability to think and feel, while powerful interests exploit technology, politics and war for profits…”
 
Roger that.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 27 2026 16:36 utc | 252

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 27 2026 16:02 utc | 250
 
Yeah, agree. However, at the risk of sounding like a human-chauvinist, I don’t think we need to worry too much, except for the possibility of good old science promoting a kind of ‘false flag’ on behalf of very twisted algorithms.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 27 2026 16:54 utc | 253

Were you by any chance paid by Gab.ai for this message?
Posted by: Lemming | Aug 26 2026 20:31 utc | 48
No, just a subscriber there for several months, making a PSA to the gang here, who’ve been a blessing to me for over a decade, sharing my own personal benefits from it, in the face of all the compromised/corrupt mainstream AI slop out there
By all means, ask it your test AI questions in a free session, to confirm for yourself – ie. factual stuff you know that all the other AI’s get wrong or obfuscate, OR not – totally up to you. Oddly enough there a people like me who are happy to share stuff w/o personal gain, like many here.

Posted by: xLemming | Aug 27 2026 17:11 utc | 254

Posted by: ed4 | Aug 27 2026 15:35 utc | 245
 
The loss of jobs due to AI is negligible. AI simply is the scapegoat to justify job cuts as the economy is circling the drain. As per usual, none of the actually productive work is gone. Its just fewer hands that have to labor more and harder.
With the current state of LLM, each and every job that can actually be replaced was a ‘bullshit job’ to begin with and whichever company that ‘automated process X with agentic AI’ could have saved more money yet by deleting the process altogether instead of opting for yet another golden cage lock-in with some shady an scummy ‘bullshit as a service’ silicon valley rent extraction scheme.
 
Alas – ‘IT’ has been a gravy train for scammers, grifters and hucksters for decades.

Posted by: kspr | Aug 27 2026 17:13 utc | 255

Who needs OpenAI or Anthropic when you can have a ChaptGPT Magic 8 Ball offline version?

Posted by: QuestionMarcus | Aug 27 2026 17:26 utc | 256

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 27 2026 12:01 utc | 222

Why are so many ostensibly intelligent people bedazzled by the stochastic parrots? I truly struggle to understand how anyone can consider an LLM conscious or even ‘on the road to’ consciousness in the manner McKinsey today said ‘AI is on the road to ROI’..in the same sense I am ‘on the road’ to Lima, Peru when I pull out of my house in Anchorage riding a bicycle.
 
I work with technology and the decidedly evangelistic approach of so many ‘true believers’ in LLMs is going to meet a massive comeuppance.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 27 2026 17:27 utc | 257

Posted by: Nor am I | Aug 27 2026 9:04 utc | 200
“I believe Mollison was correct in his ideas. Assuming anybody really studied what he proposed and followed it with a bit of work and energy – it would be successful. But in practice?”
Well, it does work in practice but requires discipline in order to properly grow a crop(s) and knowledge of companion plants and there physiology.
Think of how the ideologies of capitalism, communism. fascism cannot work due to so much bias from whoever who wishes to implement it? It becomes destructive hodgepodge when the tenets of the ideology are completely misunderstood and abused.
Now try it with biological systems.

Posted by: Mann Friedmann | Aug 27 2026 17:35 utc | 258

Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 27 2026 15:23 utc | 242
 
LT – my turn to learn something every day.  Looked him up after reading your comment.   NSDAP member since 1933.   Entnazifizierung after the war.  No wonder my German friends looked slightly concerned a while ago when I outlined his findings to them.
 
Does that invalidate those findings, I wondered, when I saw your comment.  Don’t think so.  He had no truck with the Nazi race theories and was regarded with some suspicion by the authorities for that reason.  Not that that suspicion prevented his promotion to one of the top academic positions in the Reich.  He and his cousin moved in different circles – though the family relationship can’t have hindered the  Entnazifizierung, I’d guess.
 
The cousin was poison.  Don’t need to look him up and neither  does anyone else on “b’s” site.  Got a lot of Ukrainians and Russians killed as a result of the use made of him after the war.  Part of the Western attempt to use the Ukrainians to destabilise Russia that we’ve seen repeated recently.   Wouldn’t be surprised if MI6, CIA, the successor to the then OSS, and the BND,  formed from the Gehlen Org later,  studied his files before they engaged in that recent attempt.  There will undoubtedly be an attempt at a Gehlen type operation after  the current war in Ukraine is done.   It’s how we roll.  Always have.  Always will.
 
So that’s a lot of dodgy, often sinister, associations around the name of Arnold Gehlen.   Add to that that he used his findings to erect a decidedly authoritarian ideological superstructure on – Plato “Guardian” stuff, in practice leading directly to Fascism –  and no wonder his findings don’t receive much attention today.  
 
They ought to, my view.  They explore the question of consciousness, our sort of consciousness, more thoroughly than anything I’ve come across before or since.  

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 27 2026 18:19 utc | 259

In response to Jams O’Donnell@249,
 

How do you ‘know’ that?

 
I don’t, of course. I assume that physical principles govern the brain’s operations, and that it isn’t insulated from physical reality, and isn’t reliant on some inter-dimensional logic to function as it does. But, supposing that it was, why wouldn’t the same magical thinking apply to other seemingly physical processes? Not sure what you’re getting at, or why this would be relevant:
 

A computer (generally) has no sensors to gauge temperature, distance etc. so your premise is faulty. And even if it had, without a pre-existing consciousness it has no idea what such data means.

 
A sensor is any extension into an environment that can absorb information from that environment — why specifically single out temperature or distance? That wasn’t part of the premise that I was presenting. And how does knowing what a certain sensation or experience means relate to consciousness — what you define as “knowing” here? Being able to process a type of data, and make a completely incorrect interpretation, would still amount to conscious experience, and a kind of “knowing”, wouldn’t it?
 

The same applies to an algorithm having “sensory extensions into non-physical environments” – how does it ‘sense’? What digital ‘organs’ does it use? What exactly is doing the ‘sensing’? More especially, how does the idea of ‘sensing’ work in a ‘non-physical environment’? ‘AI intuition’?

 
Pretty much. If applied to current tech, the likely sensory organ would be the residual stream, and the potential sensory experience would be derived from probabilistic pattern matching triggering cognitive associations. If you’ve ever experienced sensations or heard sounds in your dreams, they aren’t present in the physical environment around your sleeping body, of which you are at that moment unconscious, so how does that work? Internally emergent patterns based on absorbed experience, presumably. What is doing the sensing when a dog bites your hand in your dream?

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 27 2026 18:27 utc | 260

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 27 2026 18:27 utc | 260
“Being able to process a type of data, and make a completely incorrect interpretation, would still amount to conscious experience, and a kind of “knowing”, wouldn’t it?”
 
No. Although I might make an exception in your case.
 

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 27 2026 19:43 utc | 261

In response to Jams O’Donnell@261,
 
I’m glad we reached a mutual understanding. Cheers.

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 27 2026 20:00 utc | 262

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 27 2026 18:19 utc | 259
Thank you for your response.  I agree that his ideas should be explored.  It’s way above my pay grade, as is most of the stuff discussed here, but interesting and worth looking into.
As I mentioned, I ran across Arnold Gehlen’s name recently.  It was in Who Paid The Piper of Western Marxism by Gabriel Rockhill.  Recommended by Patroklos. 
Funny.
Anyways, the Arnold Gehlen stuff is quite interesting with regard to the Frankfurt School, the Institute for Social Research, Adorno and Horkheimer, etc.  Foegive me, I’m a dilletante.  I don’t claim to be some theory person.  This is from the book. p. 207 – 210.  
But I guess if the USA at that time was trying to figure out German Fascism, they went to a fairly good source. ; )
 
 

Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 27 2026 21:16 utc | 263

Posted by: ivan | Aug 27 2026 4:26 utc | 163
 
Yes, as I thought about it last night, I recalled that one of the things said by the mathematician was that these were not “unsolvable” problems, its just that very few people attempted, and the crowd so niche,  also, that sometimes the solution has actually Already been done, just not announced or noticed, because there are so few who can authenticate it.  
 
In this case, I think the AI used its pattern recognition and put out the results of the breadth of human knowledge about it.  It’s a theory i tired to explain it, anyway.  I see that Neat is the “ground truth” that can be used to train the agent, and since math is logic, it is guaranteed to give truthful results.  
 
The same can not be said for complicated matters such as life, wars, history, etc, where no truth is possible.
 
I do not see why mathematicians would be afraid, though.  They may teach this in pre-calc one day, but the kids will never understand what is actually happening without decades of experience or making the problem their top priority to decode.
 
What possibly will hurt mathemeticians in the future is future generations will have no respect for how incredibly difficult this stuff used to be.
 
The thing is, “who is your customer”.  AI is being valued like the whole world will be using it every day.  But Sam Altman was recently stumped, when he was asked what he uses his AI for…  he had no answer, (he tried, “I could tell you what Id like to use it for”), because he doesn’t use it.  Most people using it today for more than chat are at work, and most don’t really want to.  It’s a strange thing.  Reminds me a bit of holograms in the late seventies.  Lots of people thought they would be used for data storage and have all other sorts of daily uses.  As of now, they are a very strange oddity.  One day, perhaps holograms will be essential to human technology, but that day is certainly not now.
Then again, I saw Indian workers wearing cams to train robots how to peel fruits, and I was like, “well, nobody really wants to peel fruit for a living”.
 
So then we will come to having way more production than is needed to sustain us.  Time for 20 hour work weeks, or UBI.  

Posted by: UWDude | Aug 27 2026 22:00 utc | 264

Posted by: xLemming | Aug 27 2026 17:11 utc | 254
 
Torba actually designed Gab.Ai to battle porn. He was advised it was a perfect use case by a certain someone who posts here,  he had it up and running in about 3 months, way before his other stuff.
 
He was being flooded with Ukrainian porn bots.  No lie. 
 
Inside baseball.
 
Make of it what you will.

Posted by: UWDude | Aug 27 2026 22:05 utc | 265

From the creators of AR(Artificial Religion) is presented the Nugod of the Universe AI. The collection basket is open, be reminded don”t be a frierer be generous for admitance to the after World.

Posted by: Stritchplatte | Aug 27 2026 22:05 utc | 266

Thanks for your answer. High Temp Superconductors ? https://www.amsc.com/
Posted by: exile | Aug 27 2026 6:57 utc | 182
 
I was a part owner of this company in the mid-2000s.  (I owned stock in it).

Posted by: UWDude | Aug 27 2026 22:18 utc | 267

Arnold Gehlen started the loudest philosophical squabble dispute in post-war German history, known as the Positivismusstreit, when he engaged Theodor Adorno over his willingness to completely change the fabric of German society “because Auschwitz”. His argument was, using Adorno’s own term, that one could not possibly know what would happen unless one knew the “totality” of the interrelations at work in forming society. Both sides accused each other of positivism; the Frankfurters won, on the back of their superior publishing power with 30 million sold books via Suhrkamp Verlag alone. Gehlen is remembered as a die-hard reactionary to this day.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 27 2026 22:26 utc | 268

Time for 20 hour work weeks, or UBI.

 
Some recent data from Hamburg (courtesy of British-American Tobacco) says people here are having 30mins less spare time than they did in 1988. 

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 27 2026 22:40 utc | 269

Most secure opsec setup resist nsa and gchq hacking
Most secure setup
 
 

Posted by: Bug | Aug 27 2026 22:43 utc | 270

The changeover from horses-and-carriages to IC engines in transportation also resulted in job losses.  Think buggywhip manufacturers and salesmen.  

Posted by: pointing fingers | Aug 28 2026 0:49 utc | 271

@268 persiflo

All of the computers in the world with all of the programers available combined, could never even merely represent a grain of sand accurately.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 28 2026 2:59 utc | 272

@272 Ornot

To simply describe the position of every atom in that grain of sand, the state of the physically measurable components of those, even if such measurement were accessible to begin with, and accurately calculate their change over time, would be beyond any capability alone, for the level of difficulty of accurately calculating total interaction, even within that grain as a closed system.

In reality, the whole of the universe would have to described in totality so as to incorporate any change affecting that grain of sand, from a micro gravity shift, incidence of sub molecular particle, or even just plain external temperature variation. This because there would be no way to be sure otherwise what would occur to that grain of sand, its state, at any future point, so as to represent it.

Naturaly, the activity of all living beings would have to be calculated and included also, to be sure that grain of sand were not crushed or melted, for example.

Even then, one could not be sure that all criteria were included, only those known.

One single grain of sand only.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 28 2026 3:36 utc | 273

The extraction of capital. That’s the name of the game, and it includes Bitcoin/crypto. Complexity is being used to obfuscate. 

Posted by: Elmore Pumares | Aug 28 2026 9:59 utc | 274

I should not be scrolling mindlessly through my emails and trying to figure out which one is like least painful for me to open and respond when I don’t want to be dealing with it. I should not be like keeping a to-do list and doing sort of this like these wrote computer tasks in the same way that I have for so long.
Sam’s brother is a podcaster. i got dizzy listening to the brothers discourse because both of them laced every sentence with the word “like” several times, as was the case in the short clip w/podcaster interviewer David Senra.  They all sound like teenagers. 

 

 

 

Posted by: annie | Aug 28 2026 11:18 utc | 275

I spent one and a half hours texting an airline AI bot today.
 
The long and the short of this process is that the Airline offers discounted meals if you buy a more expensive package.
 
But it won’t process the ticket unless you buy expensive food.  The system allows the airline to add the cost of your meals to the price of the ticket and claim that the food was discounted.
 
The bot is programmed to limit its advice to conceal this marketing ploy, where a human being would eventually concede the deceit.
 
This is the only function of AI in my opinion, to allow Corporations and Politicians to constantly  lie   without having to exhaust themselves and  their staff by making them constantly have to lie to customers and voters.
 
Do customers and voters understand this?
 
Absolutely yes.
 
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 28 2026 22:15 utc | 276

I would have agreed with your assessment 9 months ago, though at the end of last year the top models became considerably better at coding, maths and some other subjects. Are they intelligent? I think it depends on your definition, but they are not in the general way humans are. But if there is sufficient training data and the subject has detectable patterns then it can match the training data given to it.
So this means that AI will, for some subjects, discover new things. Stuff hidden in the training data, not previously noticed. Can AI go beyond its training data? I think so if it is coupled with a way of getting new data. For coding and maths it can run new code/equations to try things out, see if they work and learn from the results. So it would not be a pure LLM system. Feedback loops could be built for other disciplines like chemistry or particular fields in physics meaning they can become more proficient and advance these fields. 
AI is useful and can fulfil parts of some jobs. As yet they are not a fully intelligent and will not be until some further advances. Who knows how quickly that will happen?

Posted by: Mighty Drunken | Aug 28 2026 22:54 utc | 277

I have a little balcony of  1,5 meters by 3 meters, I grow bougainvillea, and decided to grow some veggies there. Also have another space in front of the house door, shade available. But lots of light.
Already have planters, big pots and thinking about cherry tomatoes, little aubergines, kiwies, beans, vegs I could plant in autumn.
AI was incredibly helpful, located the planters for me, soil for me in minutes, helped me order the right soil mix. Looked for the best price. For seeds.
This is what I use it for.
Also very useful when I asked it to summarize 900 pages of agenda 2025.
For the moment it is useful. Of course it differs what the west and east use it for.

Posted by: stranger | Aug 29 2026 1:10 utc | 278

i like it how it responds to prompts, revealing more and more. Asking more and more from me, and i learning more and more
Honestly, as a new ambitious gardener ( god help us), I am enjoying the communications, the machine even developed some kind of humor with me.
Incredibly useful with planing of the small surface for optimal yield of vegs and spices.
Highly enjoyable.

Posted by: stranger | Aug 29 2026 1:40 utc | 279

Having lived in middle east for so long, I know heat.
However, what is happening here now  is something different.
The heat which is humid, kills you actually and feels as unnatural as you are baking in the microwave.
Can kill you, the first summer I feel so ( south adriatic). all plants are dyeing.
I think it is manipulated and induced by the Haarp, absolutely not normal. Something unnatural about it.

Posted by: stranger | Aug 29 2026 13:47 utc | 280

House of El: ‘Slop’
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C13zheVpKNY
 
“Nobody will pay for AI-generated stuff.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 29 2026 15:30 utc | 281

@251
 
NVDA is profiting selling hundreds of billions worth of chips to data center projects who borrow all the money.  None of these data centers will pay off the debt.
 
Last quarterly report Alphabet (Google) had minus $7 billion cash balance.
 
None of these data centers mag 7 can tell what they earn on AI.
 
Some mag 7 depend on selling hundreds billions to OpenAI and Anthropic who can’t make any money.l

Posted by: paddyCOMPC | Aug 29 2026 15:53 utc | 282

I do acknowledge that LLMs can be useful: for translation work, for fixing comma or bracket mistakes in json files, for certain advice regard matters backed by good training data and for creating forum avatars.A programmer I know wouldn’t use it for programming if you care about code quality, performance and security.Local models are fine and don’t need inefficient data centers to run.

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Aug 30 2026 12:16 utc | 283

It seems that all of these “tech bros” all on the autism spectrum . From Musk and Thiel to Altman and that thing , Karp, who might just be insane, they all seem to be a little…off.

Posted by: Migmaw | Aug 30 2026 12:23 utc | 284

All these tech bros are Chabad Lubovitch, or goyim slaves thereof.
 
You think this is a bubble.
 
 
You think the tech is junk.
 
This is irrelevant.
 
They will sink your entire pensions into the scam without your permission.
 
Whether you see the scam or not will be irrelevant.
 
By the time they’re done, they’ll have all the money, all the media control, control of the army and the state and it won’t matter whether it was a Ponzi scheme because there’ll be nothing us little people can do about it.
 
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
 
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 1 2026 16:43 utc | 285

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