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August 4, 2026
It’s The Math – How China Is Avoiding The AI Bubble

The Artificial Intelligence bubble in the United States is still growing. It is consuming a large share of the available financial resources. But its output, in form of real products, is so far rather meager.

There are some code generation tools which are, at times, helpful, but, unless subsidized, very expensive. There is ChatGTP and other squawk boxes which in the end are just new forms of inherently unreliable web search tools.

What is missing are useful mass applications billions of people are willing to pay for.

Still – a large number of ‘very important people’ believe that the Large Language Models, which are at the core of OpenAI’s and Anthropic products, will one day reach the capabilities of sentient beings. That is, in my view, utter bullshit, but who am I to tell you.

The NY Times has a long write up (archived) about Oracle founder Larry Ellison and his bet of nearly everything he owns on the A.I. bubble. It states:

The story of A.I. has been as much a financial story as a technological one, a question of how to structure the mind-boggling investments required to train and run the models. Few people doubt that this technology is going to change everything. What’s less clear is when the profits are going to start rolling in and how big they are going to be. “To me, it’s a math problem,” says Asad Ramzanali, the director of A.I. at a policy center at Vanderbilt University. “We are making trillions of dollars in investments on the back of tens of billions of dollars in revenues.”

That is why Ed Zitron and others will rightly tell you that the huge investments spent on AI are making no sense at all.

Where are the products and the customers that will allow to recuperate the hundreds of billions of shady dollars spent on data centers for AI?

The financial structure of the data center build-out makes it especially vulnerable to a crash. The deals themselves are built on enormously complicated debt and equity schemes that involve circular financing. The hyperscalers are investing heavily in the same companies they are counting on to buy their computing power. It’s what economists call an interlocking liability structure. If their customers struggle to monetize their products, they will be hit extra hard — and so will their investors, which include a lot of everyday Americans. And these are just the U.S. companies. The A.I. boom has been a global phenomenon; an A.I. collapse would be as well.

The NY Times presume that everything the U.S. does is copied throughout the world. If the bubble burst in the U.S. it will, in consequence, also burst in other places – especially in China.

This is a misunderstanding of what the Chinese AI models are, and what Chinese AI companies are doing.

Throughout the last year several Chinese companies have surprised the public by offering AI models that are nearly as capable as the best ones U.S. companies produce, but are offered at a price that just a tenth of the cost of the (heavily subsidized) U.S. models.

Moreover Chinese companies have published the weights and source code of their models and allow anyone with the adequate hardware to run them on their own premises.

The Economist has made an attempt to understand this:

How China gets better bang for its buck than America in AI (archived)
Its investment lags far behind America’s. Its models do not

The American AI splurge looks especially profligate compared with Chinese parsimony. In 2026 Chinese tech titans are forecast to invest less than a tenth as much in data centres as their American counterparts (see chart).

Their models appear only fractionally less powerful owing to this frugality. K3, an advanced model launched last month by Moonshot AI, a Beijing-based startup, is 95% as clever (on widely used benchmarks) as Fable 5, a frontier model from Anthropic, another top American lab. It is also 70% cheaper to use. On August 3rd Alibaba, a Chinese tech giant, released a model which reportedly scored among the world’s best by some measures.

The authors at the Economist go on to muse about cheaper data center costs in China. The country, they say, has also less chances to invest in overpriced U.S. hardware. It’s buyers are more stingy and the search for real applications is more important for China than the quest for a ‘singularity’ or some ‘general artificial intelligence’, which U.S. companies pursue.

This is all, like in the NY Times piece quote, mostly bullshit.

The real discriminator between U.S. and Chinese AI companies is the math they use.

U.S. models run on algorithms that are computationally wasteful, while Chinese models use smarter methods, which need less compute, to achieve a similar quality.

Language models, which, given some text input, produce a related text output, are nothing new.

Most are based on so called neural network algorithms which are a simulation of a rudimentary function of the human brain. Neural networks can be trained to recognize an input to then produce a related output.

The problem with neural networks and their early variants is that the training is very time consuming which limits the size of the models.

In 2018 researchers at Google found an elegant way to circumvent these restriction:

The dominant sequence transduction models are based on complex recurrent or convolutional neural networks in an encoder-decoder configuration. The best performing models also connect the encoder and decoder through an attention mechanism. We propose a new simple network architecture, the Transformer, based solely on attention mechanisms, dispensing with recurrence and convolutions entirely. Experiments on two machine translation tasks show these models to be superior in quality while being more parallelizable and requiring significantly less time to train.

U.S. companies jumped onto the Transformer model. It was seen as a chance to create ever bigger and better models with the hope that a huge sized model would eventually reach or exceed the capabilities of a human brain.

The advantage of the Transformer model is that the math necessary to train it can be parallelized. Computer chips built to produce graphics have special hardware to process pixels. Instead of one pixel at a time they compute complete pictures by computing the (color) value of thousands of pixels at the same time. The use of Graphic Processing Units (GPUs) allows for parallelized (matrix) operations on thousands of parameters. (A video by Grant Sanderson, Large Language Models explained briefly (vid), gives a good introduction to this.)

The disadvantage of the Transformer model is the exponential behavior of its attention mechanism. To digest one sentence of input the model has to process each element therein against all other elements held in the same context. That is an exponential operation. For a context of 500,000 input words (i.e to summarize a book of that length) the model will require 250 billion operations. OpenAI, Anthropic and others use a lot of tricks to optimize their computing but they can not escape the basic exponential constrain of the algorithm they use.

This is the reason why the input of current Transformer models is limited and why these models need huge data centers with millions of GPUs to respond to users questions.

For lack of compute capacity the Chinese model developers had to take different routes. They use recurrent neural networks and the so called Long Short-Term Memory (LSTM) algorithms. These have been known since the late 1990s and are the basis for most machine language translations. Apple’s SIRI is using of a LSTM model.

The LSTM algorithm has disadvantages. In its original form its training can not be parallelized. But it is able to ‘forget’ unnecessary context and its compute of an answer is (mostly) linear, not exponential.

The more recent extended LSTM algorithms allow for parallelizing the training of such models while keeping the advantage of a (nearly) linear response algorithm.

The recently revealed Kimi model of the Chinese company Moonshot.ai is based on a (modified) xLSTM algorithm, called Kimi Delta Attention. It also splits the model into a network of 800 ‘experts’ only a few of which are activated to answer a users specific question (see Kimi K3 Explained in 13 minutes (vid)).

While Kimi has yet to reach the parameter size of the newest U.S. model it has nearly the same capabilities while using much less compute than is needed to run an equivalent OpenAI model.

Other Chinese AI providers are also using similar algorithms which need much less compute than the U.S. preferred Transformer models.

The U.S. AI model providers, OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Meta and SpaceX, are all stuck with the Transformer model algorithms they use to build their models. It is what they have been building on for years and it is what their engineers are experts in. They have promised to build or buy a huge amount of computing capacity because that is what their models need.

It is this choice of an algorithm that has created the U.S. AI bubble.

The Chinese modelers, for lack of unlimited venture capital, have had to find better ways to solve the problems. Their use of different algorithms allows them to deliver nearly similar results for much less money.

There is also a difference in attitude. Where U.S. financiers like Larry Ellison are striving for some god-like general artificial intelligence, the Chinese (and some European) developers and financiers are much more interested in solving real world (industry) problems.

A robot to fill the dish washer can operate sufficiently without being able to solve mathematical conjectures. Moreover its internal AI model will have to run on a local GPU and not inside some far away data center.

An abundance of resources has allowed U.S. model developers to build huge, very capable, but enormously expensive general AI models. Those companies have yet to find use cases that will pay for the cost of running these models.

Instead of reaching for the stars, like U.S. companies do, the Chinese are out to solve down-to-earth problems.

Restricted resources have forced the Chinese developers to find better algorithms. Their primary orientation is on useful applications that will generate appropriate returns for their costs.

At some point the AI bubble in the U.S. will blow up. There will be a lot of collateral damage. Many people will lose their money. There will be a number of useless empty data centers up for rent.

The NY Times and the Economist presume that this will cause China to have similar problems.

That is unlikely to be the case as Chinese AI is based on a different math, and different economic models.

Comments

thanks b.. i agree with your conclusion at the end…
 
it is amazing what a potentially unlimited supply of money ( printing press in overdrive ) can do..  it is definitely a bubble and it can go on for longer then many think, but eventually the bubble bursts and if the kleptocrats are lucky, they get bailed by the fed, lol….
 
i don’t follow AI.. i read gary marcus’s substack, but that is about it..  it seems like one big distraction to me..

Posted by: james | Aug 4 2026 18:38 utc | 1

So we’re citing journalists at the Economist and NY Times as AI experts? lol. If they knew anything about it, they would be highly-paid fund managers or VCs, or at least software executives. Instead, they know sweet F-all about it beyond what their sources tell them. At any rate, the first wicket hasn’t been knocked over yet. It’s very early.

Posted by: SteveinCT | Aug 4 2026 18:48 utc | 2

Bravo b for a concise and comprehensible explanation of the differences between the US and Chinese approaches. I learned a few things I did not know about Chinese AI.
 
Dead eyed corporate executives in the US simply want to fire all their employees, China wants to solve real world problems.
An employment tribunal in China recently ruled against firing people whose work could now be done by AI.
 
IMO AI is going to hit a wall (and may have already done so) where the return on compute investment doesn’t generate justifiable improvements, whichever model is used. However it will remain useful in narrower domains.
 
China will have got there cheaply with a shot at paying back the investment, the US will have one almighty headache and the only thing left to show for it will be a few otherwise unexpected power plants. 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2026 18:58 utc | 3

China still has big data centers, they just put them underwater in the ocean instead of having them compete with the locals for freshwater. 
It likely cost a lot more in maintenance, but if big AI is indeed the path to infinite wealth, then surely the AI companies can spare some of that infinity to not make the region inhospitable?

Posted by: SVC | Aug 4 2026 19:00 utc | 4

What will do in the Western model is depreciation. Investing in a conventional factory, for example, the depreciation can be easily extended over 20 years if so desired, perhaps with a charge at 10 years for upgrading/modernising the machine tools and production processes.
 
Invest in a data centre and sure, there’s a nice big and shiny building that will last 20 years with just a bit of maintenance and repair; it might even come with its own nice big and shiny power station.
 
What happens to the depreciation charges on a data centre that has to have investment in its internal processing equipment, its chipsets upgraded every 12 to 18 months, just to keep on top of technical developments in speed, power consumption and heat output?
 
There isn’t enough revenue stream to cover that, let alone the returns expected by some of the P/E ratios being bandied about.
 
But, but, it’s different this time, coz, y’know, AI…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2026 19:06 utc | 5

Ah, I see @ ChatNPC | Aug 4 2026 18:58 utc | 4 has covered much of my ground much more concisely. Either great minds think alike, or fools rush in…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2026 19:11 utc | 6

”So we’re citing journalists at the Economist and NY Times as AI experts? lol. If they knew anything about it, they would be highly-paid fund managers or VCs, or at least software executives.”
Posted by: SteveinCT | Aug 4 2026 18:48 utc | 3
 
The chief talent of those highly paid folks you mention is bullshitting … the executive class gets paid by their ability to con marks, not by their ability to develop anything.
 
Re the general article, it seems the USian managers are betting the farm and everything else that their hoped-for singularity will save the day: the very very smart machine will take things over and not only design progressively better versions of itself, but also the marketing strategy … problem solved, no?

Posted by: Caliman | Aug 4 2026 19:23 utc | 7

These tech “geniuses” can’t even recognize the utter folly of war, therefore one can’t help but wonder how their “models” would enable a better future.

Posted by: norecovery | Aug 4 2026 19:28 utc | 8

Inside China Business on the Token Export EconomyJul 30, 2026 — In 2022, China began construction of the world’s largest AI system. The initiative, called “Eastern Data, Western Compute” relocated energy-intensive data center operations to West China, where electricity production is abundant. Later, China’s open-source large-language models and breakthroughs in semiconductors allowed for AI inference to be performed at the world’s lowest cost. China now exports AI output, and its Token Economy transforms cheap power and data processing into high-profit-margin services.
 
Between models costing from 3 to 100 times less than what’s on offer in the US .. and a race towards newer algorithms (announced just last week) that might deliver 100 times more tokens per time ..  we are not, like “Ed” wrote the day the new style algo was announced, moving towards higher, but lower and lower costs.
 
likely noone invested anticipating a 99% drop in ‘token prices’ — and we’re now going to get to watch blowups everywhere without an actually intelligent industrial strategy.   .. US frontier models, benchmarks aside, are still a lot better than even the best china has to offer, so this won’t happen right away,  but in businesses where incremental cost matters, the outcome is clear.
 
and, no, god-level ai systems are never going to be real, we learned that via a mathy proof, openai itself announced on the 1st.  not that they said this, but that’s what the proof revealed.
 
more sanity after the crash — once reality comes back into view?

Posted by: Michael64 | Aug 4 2026 19:31 utc | 9

I shall happily use American AI for as long as Americans remain content to invest trillions in pursuit of billions. But the instant they aspire to make trillions from investing billions, I shall discover an unexpected enthusiasm for Chinese AI.

Posted by: The Far Side | Aug 4 2026 19:37 utc | 10

US frontier models […] are still a lot better than even the best china has to offer

Posted by: Michael64 | Aug 4 2026 19:31 utc | 10
 
But will they not need constant, even expanding, investment to maintain the “frontier” advantage? Sooner or later, the investors will ask what happened to their return on their investments, and sooner or later, the customers (after all, those are the folks who truly matter) work out that the Chinese offerings are good enough for the business needs of the customers, so why buy expensive US-based delivery?
 
The customers, the ones paying the monthly bills, only want what is good enough for their needs, they are not going to be chasing some unholy grail of US “frontier” leading, if its too damn expensive…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2026 19:47 utc | 11

wizeai on instagram hasfrequent reports, there is daily roundup of Ai stuff there too search aidailyupdate several ones
 
UK investors and government  are celebrating a wizzkid company called Ilox developing a “different” chip Dx-1,works by “inferences” they explain in their website. UK gov has previously stated the need for extensive large data centres.
“Investors are prizing Olix as it seeks to break hardware giant Nvidia’s grip in the market for semiconductors – the underpinnings of the extremely powerful computer chips used to power AI software.
At present, AI data centres rely on highly-advanced computer chips derived from those used to draw graphics in video games. 
But demand for these, and the memory chips computers need to carry out complex tasks, has driven a shortage known as ‘RAMageddon’ that is pushing up the price of consumer goods such as laptops and PlayStations.
Olix says the ‘inference chips’ it is developing are custom-built for AI software and do not rely on the memory chips and other components currently in short supply, making them cost-effective and more powerful.
It plans to ‘tape out’, or finalise, its DX-1 chip this year, before moving towards production(unknown where.. considering China export  licensing conditions of rare earths affecting computering systems and Chinese own developments of photovoltaic systems -Jo).
However, investors have been selling off stakes in other chip firms such as Nvidia and Intel amidst anxiety about the AI sector at large, which is increasingly saddled with debt. ”
UK Daily Mail
 
Gerald Celente, Greg Marranino   who regularly rant re the Ai bubble amongst others.

Posted by: Jo | Aug 4 2026 19:51 utc | 12

US AI providers are all proudly tossing their fee cash plus huge borrowing to sell vertical integrated models, selling their ineffective, expensive models tun through their data centers etc.  Musk is going to do data center on orbit, tens of thousands of 150 to 250 kw compute nodes at 500 or 600 km orbit….
 
The listed hyperscalers are building railroads to the same destination.
 
Latest Zitron details how OpenAI and Anthropic are biggest customers of the competing computer, if they ever build and survive.
 
Trillion borrowed based on LLM models….  What could go wrong?

Posted by: paddy | Aug 4 2026 19:53 utc | 13

@ SteveinCT | Aug 4 2026 18:48 utc | 2
 
maybe you’d like a quote from this columbia university AI researcher investor Leopold Aschenbrenner who just lost the biggest amount of money in the stock market / gambling casino this year??  perhaps that would suit you, lol… 
 
“Aschenbrenner’s investment firm suffered $35 billion in losses in July 2026, due to its use of leverage and sharp declines in AI infrastructure investments,[23] while soliciting new funds from investors to cover losses.[24] The Wall Street Journal and CNBC reported that the Situational Awareness fund was forced to sell all of its publicly traded stocks (which were purchased by Kenneth C. Griffin‘s Citadel LLC), although it still held a number of private investments.[25][26]

Posted by: james | Aug 4 2026 19:53 utc | 14

As a software developer and then a manager of software developers, I always found that the best ones had been trained in an environment of hardware restrictions. The worst were the ones who learnt development on a p.c. using visual interfaces and very high level languages. Their code was incredibly inefficient and hard to maintain. Now imagine a developer using an AI coding tool, the output is an unmaintainable, incredibly hard to test and a resource hog monstrosity. In the future, developers will be getting hired to fix the resultant crap.
 
It is obvious that the same holds for the developers of the AI tools. Chinese schools are also much better at teaching mathematics and logic. The same is happening in the microchip space, as Chinese companies without access to EUV machines are forced to find other ways of increasing processing power and throughput. China’s colossal STEM environment will find a better way when faced with imposed restrictions.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 4 2026 19:54 utc | 15

@ Caliman | Aug 4 2026 19:23 utc | 7
 
see my note @ 14, lol… you’re right of course..

Posted by: james | Aug 4 2026 19:55 utc | 16

Obviously the US effectively having a monopoly in the West (and Japan) on AI (LLMs) isn’t good for science, competition, and energy/economy efficiency, but that’s what the US demands of its suborned and subordinate client states in the so-called First World.

Posted by: Ludovico | Aug 4 2026 20:03 utc | 17

What is missing are useful mass applications billions of people are willing to pay for.

It is a solution looking for a problem. Or should I say a non-solution looking for a proble.
 
Excellent article. It is a Ponzi scheme.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2026 20:06 utc | 18

So we’re citing journalists at the Economist and NY Times as AI experts? lol. If they knew anything about it, they would be highly-paid fund managers or VCs, or at least software executives. Instead, they know sweet F-all about it beyond what their sources tell them. At any rate, the first wicket hasn’t been knocked over yet. It’s very early.
Posted by: SteveinCT | Aug 4 2026 18:48 utc | 2
 
     Notwithstanding your derision of NYT and the Economist, you citing Fund Managers and Software Executives, is being mesmerized by Used Car Salesmen.
    AI is a fast librarian. Not much else.
Maybe not the last Hurrah for the American Empire but the bell is tolling.
     The US stepping in to buy up the Japanese Yen via the Euro is an example of the absurdity of the whacked out Financial System.  Japan, owed $1.1 Trillion dollars in US Government Bonds is told not to sell those Bonds in the very, very fragile US Bond market.
    Make certain you invest 100% of your money, nay, borrow more, to invest in “AI”. What an effed-up Marketing Term for the Edsel.

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 4 2026 20:07 utc | 19

Posted by: Ludovico | Aug 4 2026 20:03 utc | 16
 
If US hadn’t ‘won’ WW2 humanity would have had a colony on Luna by end of 1970s. Humanity is set back massively with US controlling finances and distorting real science.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 4 2026 20:08 utc | 20

As a software developer and then a manager of software developers, I always found that the best ones had been trained in an environment of hardware restrictions. The worst were the ones who learnt development on a p.c. using visual interfaces and very high level languages. Their code was incredibly inefficient and hard to maintain. […]
 
Chinese schools are also much better at teaching mathematics and logic.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 4 2026 19:54 utc | 14
 
Obviously I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it would not surprise me to learn that Chinese computer science students have to work in a 16- or even 8-bit environment in the early stages of their training and education.
 
Something I fear the West has forgotten about, sparse elegance.

 

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2026 20:08 utc | 21

Re: Larry Ellison
 
in the close knit west coast sailing world, Larry Ellison has long bern known as a shameless cheater. This was known long before his America‘s Cup campaignd. 

Posted by: Exile | Aug 4 2026 20:09 utc | 22

Didn’t realize Chinese models are running off of LTSM architectures. I knew they were dispensing with transformers, I didn’t know they were using something older, which is somehow more efficient on the “inference”/next-token prediction side.
 
I am LLM abstinent. I think using them for any purpose is bad, bad for the environment, bad for the person using them. They amount to the surrender of our cognitive abilities to non-cognitive machines which approximate or ape our cognitive abilities.
 
Fully agree with @ 7:

The chief talent of those highly paid folks you mention is bullshitting … the executive class gets paid by their ability to con marks, not by their ability to develop anything.

Sam Altman isn’t doing basic research, he’s paying people to do that research and marketing the results. They are the equivalent of university administrators, not faculty. What’s the last big breakthrough that one egghead VC guy, Andreesen, I think, made? Fucking Mosaic? 
 
The western “labs” are not labs at all. They are not doing science, or they would be honest and forthcoming in their failures. How many proofs have these models produced that were shit? Anecdotally, it has to be a lot. As Marcus says, we have a numerator but no denominator.

Posted by: fnord | Aug 4 2026 20:11 utc | 23

@Roger Boyd | Aug 4 2026 19:54 utc | 14
 
Another software engineer (me) agrees with this.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2026 20:21 utc | 24

Sorry but the “AI Bubble” is nothing but fearmongering.  The DOW and other exchanges are reaching record highs every other week or so.  The DOW just skyrocketed almost 1000 points today.  

Posted by: bored | Aug 4 2026 20:22 utc | 25

These tech “geniuses” can’t even recognize the utter folly of war, therefore one can’t help but wonder how their “models” would enable a better future.
 
Posted by: norecovery | Aug 4 2026 19:28 utc | 8

 
War is not folly for those who profit from it, and the “better future” is one that shuts out the “useless eaters” or eliminates them outright.
 
As for expensive clunky American AI versus cheap efficient Chinese AI, I expect a regime of tariffs and legal proscriptions to keep the former viable in the West and its satrapies. Think BYD — or Huawei.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 4 2026 20:25 utc | 26

B wrote 

The disadvantage of the Transformer model is the exponential behavior of its attention mechanism. To digest one sentence of input the model has to process each element therein against all other elements held in the same context. That is an exponential operation.

No, what you described is an N square operation. Far short of exponential complexity but still expensive when N is large. Where it actually exponentially complex then handling N of half a million would be effectively impossible.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Aug 4 2026 20:32 utc | 27

Nice thoughtful piece. What people have forgotten is that thousands fail catastrophically for every success in new technology bubbles.
Musk is right: Be their supplier not their competitor.

Posted by: Bill Jones | Aug 4 2026 20:33 utc | 28

Thanks b for the info regarding algorithms – computer science has always been a great example of how people tend to design copies of themselves.
 
 
I find it hard to believe many (if any) genuinely expect real AI / singularity – it is just part of the sales pitch where we delegate all decision making to “AI” (and it will say what they want).

Posted by: Rae | Aug 4 2026 20:39 utc | 29

Sorry but the “AI Bubble” is nothing but fearmongering. The DOW and other exchanges are reaching record highs every other week or so. The DOW just skyrocketed almost 1000 points today.

Posted by: bored | Aug 4 2026 20:22 utc | 24
 
Sorry, but asset price inflation is not economic strength, at best it’s circumstantial evidence in favour of the Cantillon effect.
 
From the embedded link:

  • The Cantillon Effect says new money changes the economy unevenly because it reaches some people before others.
  • Early recipients of newly created money can buy goods and assets before prices have fully adjusted, so they gain purchasing power.
  • Later recipients often face higher prices without the same early benefit, which can reduce their real income or savings value.
  • The term is especially useful when talking about monetary policy, quantitative easing, and how money moves through banks and asset markets first.
  • In macroeconomics, it helps explain why inflation can affect wealth distribution and asset prices, not just the overall price level.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2026 20:39 utc | 30

@ Paul Cockshott | Aug 4 2026 20:32 utc | 26

No, what you described is an N square operation.

N square is N to the power of 2. 2 is the exponent. N to the power of 2 is exponential.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2026 20:40 utc | 31

We are told not to judge others because we do not have God’s Omniscience,  just personal bias based on our limited personal experience. 
 
The danger of artificial intelligence is that it attempts to guess where humans are instructed to not to predict based on guesses.
 
AIbwill think it is more intelligent when it will be much more based on guess work.
Therefore it is definitely going to be much more judgemental and it has no moral compass or conscience.
 
It will inevitably disagree with whatever comes from human conscience.
Here we are as a world , desperately struggling with  a 6000 year old Satanic  cult that has found chemical, neurogical , pyrotechnical,  biological weaponry.
 
Anything that works on logic , instead of conscience,  will inevitably be like Talmudic Zionism, destryctive and judgemental, but also inevitably different as well. 
 
AI will bring new forms of obviously wrong logic, like the bonkers logic of genociding Arabs, but potentially a thousand times more unjust.
 
The political world is already completely insane, because of computer generated logic.
AI is at worst as stupid as Fauci’s Covid, and at best as stupid as senile Bidens and Trumps.
But capable of being  inconceivably worse than Zionism, which by comparison will look like the peak of human compassion and logic.
Zionism took 6000 years for the Zit to pop.
I strongly believe that those who are investing in it are motivated , like Fauci ,  by experiments in political power and malicious domination.
 
In fact, I am absolutely certain of it.
 

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 4 2026 20:47 utc | 32

N square is N to the power of 2. 2 is the exponent. N to the power of 2 is exponential.

Not as the term is used in computational complexity theory. An exponential algorithm has resource requirements in time or hardware that grows as e^N. An algorithm whose complexity grows as N^x is termed as being of polynomial complexity. Where x=1 it is said to be linear complexity. For any given polynomial order x, there will always be some N above which an algorithm of exponential complexity will be slower than one of polynomial complexity.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Aug 4 2026 20:48 utc | 33

Blah blah blah…when does the sex robot come out?
 
and will that be the civilizational question of our era? (IOW the defining push-back of civilization about the technocratic feudalism we increasingly inhabit where humanity will say no to digital and go back to analog (yes, I understand there could also be a steam-punk-esque sex bot but that seems more rife for catastrophic pressure collapse where you will find yourself in situations that Reddit users (“Don’t put your **** in that”) have been warning us about for years)).
 
My bet is that the west and techno-dweeb cultures like Taiwan and Hong Kong adopt the sex bot, where the ancient cultures realizing the imminent threat of antinatalism, will restrict it. The Chinese in Taiwan might not thank China for integration now, but they most certainly will when they get a load of the west in ten years.
 
thx, b. As always, I wish I had more interest and ability in mathematics and technology, but I will let smarter people do the smart things.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 4 2026 20:51 utc | 34

Anyway, true artificial intelligence should fit into a box roughly 200mm wide × 200mm deep × 300mm long, weigh 2 to 3 kilogrammes, with enough nodes to be equivalent to a petabyte of RAM refreshing at 8Hz, powered by carbohydrates, water, protein, vitamins and minerals.
 
Some say humans were made in God’s image, but then some humans declared God to be dead and have now set about trying to create God in a human image, but they find they need data centre barns, unlimited cooling and massive electricity supplies to achieve this…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2026 20:55 utc | 35

“Musk is right: Be their supplier not their competitor.”
Posted by: Bill Jones | Aug 4 2026 20:33 utc | 27
 
Indeed, always been true in the US … you want to be the Levi Strausses and Leland Stanfords of the world and sell the dream, rather than be the poor bastards digging the mountain looking for gold … 

Posted by: Caliman | Aug 4 2026 21:00 utc | 36

The society oft the free against the slaveyard USA;
https://ddgeopolitics.substack.com/p/open-weight-ai-and-the-case-for-global
 
B. had studied it before he wrote.
 

Posted by: OberstHecht | Aug 4 2026 21:02 utc | 37

On a practical level, in China AI is everywhere you look. In particular the tv ads are focused on educational outlets to learn AI. Last time I visited China it was new car ads, now it its AI tuition .
It’s a new tool with ” opportunity”. Some of the content of the learning is image creation, but most seems to be about geometrical code, and in particular programs and codes for robots and robotic machines.
 
It’s very practical, very real, and it’s happening right now. So many students here have studied mathematics and learning to use AI in a practical way is just an extension of that. It is not AI through big companies, it is AI through individuals. It’s an AI revolution that isn’t happening this way in America.
 
We can all have an opinion on the way the AI investment models are structured, but we should also look at how AI is going to take off. In China it is not about hyperscalers circular investments, it is all about people hungry to learn AI to develop their careers and opportunities that is the driver.
 
B’s summary is great, but it is also good to look under the hood.

Posted by: Bingo | Aug 4 2026 21:03 utc | 38

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang  34
 
I believe the Tablets of the Ark  received by Moses, and later given to Saul  might have needed a larger container. 
Qur’an 
‘And their prophet said to them, “Indeed, a sign of his kingship is that the chest will come to you in which is assurance from your Lord and a remnant of what the family of Moses and the family of Aaron had left, carried by the angels…”Key Details from the Quranic AccountThe Context: The Israelites questioned the appointment of Talut (Saul) as king because he was not wealthy. God provided the return of the Ark—carried by angels—as proof of his divine authority.’
 

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 4 2026 21:10 utc | 39

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Aug 4 2026 20:48 utc | 32
 
You are correct, however in real world applications involving large datasets even N-squared would be keenly avoided.
 
Millions of research hours and billions of dollars have been dedicated to reducing N-squared algorithms to N-logN or better.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2026 21:18 utc | 40

I believe the Tablets of the Ark received by Moses, and later given to Saul might have needed a larger container.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 4 2026 21:10 utc | 38
 
I guess tar.gz wasn’t available back then…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2026 21:21 utc | 41

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2026 21:21 utc | 40
 
LOL. I suspect the problem was not the size of the container but rather the disputatious nature of the recipients.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2026 21:24 utc | 42

Thanks for the comparison, b. It doesn’t surprise me to learn that the Chinese AI model is simpler and cheaper than its Western counterpart. That’s how China came to dominate the EV market.
 
Their initial models were designed to be simple, affordable and with sufficient power to avoid disrupting traffic flow. The Market was hungry for cars which were cheap to run and smooth and quiet. 
 
In 2026 one can buy a $100,000 car with 1500 horsepower which can accelerate to 250 kph in circa 4 seconds and blow a McLaren into the weeds – if that’s what turns you on.
 
Most EVs also use the motor as a generator when braking to top up the batteries. If there’s a downside to EVs the owners haven’t found it yet…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 4 2026 21:24 utc | 43

You would think that by now, between the 2008 crash and this AI bubble, that the economic High Priesthood would admit that economic actors are often *not* rational and that allowing corporations to just do whatever the fuck they want with no resistance is actually a bad idea, but probably not.

Posted by: fsda | Aug 4 2026 21:27 utc | 44

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2026 21:21 utc | 40
You rule.  To Hades with this Abrahamic nonsense.
I hope you are well.  Thank you!
Prince Alla – Lot’s Wife

Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 4 2026 21:27 utc | 45

Posted by: bored | Aug 4 2026 20:22 utc | 24
Yeah! Have you noticed how the energy markets relate to Trump’s mouth? Esp on Fridays? Market evaluations and his utterances make perfect sense. Stocks are up, what else is there to know? Musk is teaching us what will happen when SpaceX crashes into the moon. Invest now!
 
Anyway, this is all more than over my head except the obvious:
 
maybe not have Finance running Tech? I know, such a notion is damnable heresy where money is god.

Posted by: Duck n cover | Aug 4 2026 21:50 utc | 46

“N square is N to the power of 2. 2 is the exponent. N to the power of 2 is exponential.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2026 20:40 utc | 30”
 
rolls eyes.
 
I saw the fallacy in b’s original post, but figured no one else would. Nice to be mistaken, and find someone else understands algorithm complexity. As for your claim above, If you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about, you might try asking a reasonably competent AI to explain it to you, before you embarrass yourself publicly.

Posted by: Dalit | Aug 4 2026 21:59 utc | 47

if the western ai-bubble destroys energy and wealth, it will also reduce the population.
 
and the idea of having a machine that gives god-like knowlege, will fascinate the absurd rich, that search eternal life in this world.
 
also the idea, that this super-machine will be able to enslave the rest of the useless eaters.
 
so the hole bubble makes even more sens for the absurd rich, then the ugly wars and its subsequent famine.

Posted by: ClubOfRom | Aug 4 2026 22:05 utc | 48

the only war is a classwar. and it has no real use for geopolitics or economy

Posted by: ClubOfRom | Aug 4 2026 22:06 utc | 49

Many thanks, b
By the way, what European AI models are différent from US ones, and more similar to Chinese ones ? Mistral ?
 

Posted by: Dany | Aug 4 2026 22:10 utc | 50

“Trillions of dollars…”

A vacuum cleaner and a key to the door of the FED would be much easier, much less wasteful of resources.

Some here probably remember before ‘digital’, chunky digital watches with calculator style readouts. How did anyone manage in ‘those days’ ?

If would find it all hilarious, except that misuse of computer tech as well the effect of it on people and society, is not very amusing.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 4 2026 22:18 utc | 51

Yes, the US’ build up doesn’t make a bit of sense in that light. I don’t think the bursting of the bubble is going to be any accident except to the investors. The poor fools that will have lost their asses in the crash. Funding the build out of data centers so that Uncle Sam cam “rescue” them for pennies on the dollar when the bubble bursts. As the original build out was fund by stocks, investors are not entitled to any recovery. Quite a grand scam.
 
You can only imagine the ai surveillance panopticon that will be possible with all that compute.
 
Why do it this way?? Obviously, if the fed said they would build out the massive compute people will question why and wonder why their tax dollars (trillions over time) are being spent on this excess. It could never get done.
 
Creating this particular bubble and crash will make it seem like the data centers just landed in the governments lap by accident.
 
 

Posted by: Unsafe Data | Aug 4 2026 22:20 utc | 52

@42
 
EV down side.
 
First, US not getting Chinese EV.
Second, EV have horrid resale.  Who wants a vehicle with huge battery replacement cost?
 
Third,  in freezing weather range and power decrease.
 
Otherwise, nice to say “environmental “

Posted by: paddy | Aug 4 2026 22:22 utc | 53

“Where are the products and the customers that will allow to recuperate the hundreds of billions of shady dollars spent on data center for AI?”
 
The products are us and the billionaire / military / banking complex are the consumers.
 

Posted by: El.Lissitzky | Aug 4 2026 22:24 utc | 54

I laugh now at our ignorance when I read the term neural networks.
 
Each neuron in our body has 7 astrocytes associated with it and those astrocytes control the neurons processing and are simultaneously communicating in bio-electric ways with their neighbors and throughout our bodies it is thought using our interstitium…….neural networks……lol…we don’t know shit about the subject.
 
And I agree with the previous system engineers and maybe was lucky I started so long ago when they had 18 bit bytes and 36 bit words so not locked into paradigms as much.
 
 
Thanks for the well done posting b

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 4 2026 22:38 utc | 55

What would be the result if the stupendous sums of money spent on artificial were invested in training and educating real intelligence?
 
What if real intelligence was powered by rice and beans and corn, rather than huge generators?
 
What if the data processing centres were cooled by fresh mountain air or beach breezes while the processor was enjoying real life, rather than housed in water-guzzling cooling towers?
 
What if the real intelligence so fostered were to be re-invested in future generations of real intelligence?
 
I suppose the business model, profits, and dividend stream generated by an individual in an educated society is difficult to quantify, and probably impossible to control – but it doesn’t hurt to dream…

Posted by: General Factotum | Aug 4 2026 22:45 utc | 56

Do any ordinary investors actually understand how AI works ? Giving billionaires who do not care about people billions of dollars to make people irrelevant seems dystopic to me. Then again. Our rush towards an extremely unequal feudal like future doesn’t seem to bother anyone either.

Posted by: Jeangingras | Aug 4 2026 22:47 utc | 57

Second, EV have horrid resale. Who wants a vehicle with huge battery replacement cost?
Posted by: paddy | Aug 4 2026 22:22 utc | 52

 
China’s government made some crucial decisions early on: standardised batteries and standardised charging connectors. This greatly simplified the design process for manufacturers and infrastructure build out whilst preventing the emergence of walled gardens tied to one manufacturer.
 
They (the govt) put in place the charging and grid infrastructure and to overcome long charge times, rural and remote service stations simply swap out the entire battery for a fully charged one.
 
Of course such commonsense, consumer friendly approaches could never happen in the exploitative west.
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2026 22:48 utc | 58

Great article! 
 
The limits of unlimited money.
 
China is the future! 
 
The so called West is devouring it self once again. 

Posted by: El.Lissitzky | Aug 4 2026 22:50 utc | 59

Posted by: General Factotum | Aug 4 2026 22:45 utc | 55
 
Is it even possible to have real intelligence without a soul to shame and a body to incarcerate?

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2026 22:51 utc | 60

Re: AI and coding efficiencies.

 
Posted by Roger Boyd | Aug 4 2026 19:54 utc | 14 
 
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 4 2026 20:21 utc | 23

 
A contrarian view here. Admittedly I have been retired and out of the game for almost a decade.  We developed configurable SaS for clients in the Educational, Industrial and Professional Association spaces. Some were Java/Oracle, some .Net/SQL server (or mySQL).
 
Since every system had some form of subscribe and/or payment system they all had similar online forms to collect personal information, and auto-complete functions to prepopulate forms from a database of country, province/state, city, postal code, etc.  
 
Most of the time, the developers would find equivalent code elsewhere, copy/paste then do minor modifications to it to make sure it was compatible with our system.
 
Similarly, a good AI system could easily crawl various code libraries and lookup databases to find and then test for the most efficient code to execute. 
 

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 4 2026 22:56 utc | 61

Great praise for b focusing on AI, something I’ve awaited for many weeks. Over those many weeks, I’ve provided links to articles and podcasts dealing with the tech, financial and moral issues of AI and tried to drum up interest in the recently held World AI Conference that was held in Shanghai and created a global organization to oversee is governance for the good of Humanity. 
 
Related to this topic is the article Larry Johnson wrote yesterday about gallium and how the lack of it by the Empire affects a great many tech products and projects. Within the article, the focus shifts to the development of 6G with these two paragraphs:
 

The headline achievement is real and was published in Nature. A team led by scientists from Peking University and the City University of Hong Kong built what they describe as the world’s first “all-frequency” 6G chip — a device roughly 11 by 1.7 millimeters that integrates the entire wireless spectrum from 0.5 to 115 gigahertz onto a single chip. That span previously required nine separate radio systems. In testing it exceeded 100 gigabits per second on a single channel, which independent write-ups translate to roughly 500 times the real-world speed most users get from 5G today, and it can retune across 6 gigahertz of spectrum in 180 microseconds to hop clear of interference. The researchers built it not from gallium but from thin-film lithium niobate, using a photonic-electronic design, and they intend to shrink it into plug-and-play modules for phones, base stations, drones, and IoT devices.
 
The strategic point survives the technical correction. Whether the enabling material is gallium in a radar or lithium niobate in a transceiver, the pattern is the same: China increasingly controls both the raw inputs and the pipeline of scientists and engineers turning them into deployable systems. And 6G’s importance is not really about consumers. Few individuals need to download a library of films in seconds. The demand comes from industry — precision robotics, advanced manufacturing, private industrial networks, integrated sensing, low-altitude drone economies — the very sectors where China has already built commanding positions. 6G’s promised leap in speed, latency, and integrated sensing is a boon precisely to the industrial base China is busy consolidating.

 
 
 Larry then links to Kevin Wamsley of Inside China Business’s solo podcast on the overall tech and supply chain issues. IMO, the read and watch are must dos for Barflies. It doesn’t take much thinking to see what will occur with 6G combining with Chinese AI. And I’ll remind everyone that the West has yet to completely deploy 5G. Another set of very important points were made by Sean Foo in his podcast I linked to yesterday. 
 
IMO, Empire-based AI titans are deluded by their fantasies of gaining unbridled power via their AI manipulations and have sold that fantasy to Neoliberals who would otherwise be uninterested in making such a huge investment for very uncertain returns. The data Sean provides backs-up many of b’s contentions, while the supply chain and resources issues covered by Larry and Kevin also play a big role. Lastly, here’s Kevin’s very recent article and video about AI in China.    

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 4 2026 22:58 utc | 62

Ragnarok. The Norse myth and dream of the final overthrow of the gods by men. Gottendammarung. That is the foundation of the Wotan western mindset. We humans will usurp the role of God or gods. It makes no difference whatsoever if you personally are atheist, one’s cultural subconscious mindset is established over millennia and is mostly based on religion. (Read Stephen Fry on this subject, e.g. “Moab was a my washpot”.)
The idea of creating human equivalent – or even greater – intelligence is entirely predictable from the Ragnarok mindset. So equally predictable is the obsession with GAI by the likes of the hapless Norseman Larry Ellison and others like him.
in the same Ragnarok vein is the peculiar western obsession with the Pharmaceutical industry, and the pedestal on which that stands including its inordinate price tag in the USA. There are serious pharma types who really believe in the biochemical attainability of eternal life. The defeat of death itself, “and death shall have no dominion”. The old telomere story endlessly recycled.
other cultures and civilisations have a respect for eternal absolutes and moral principles, which Ragnarok Wotan westerners have discarded. Even Clint Eastwood said a man needs to learn his limitations. One of those is that he will never make GAI. But will sink an entire “civilization” in trying to make it.
 
 

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 4 2026 23:02 utc | 63

ChatNPC | Aug 4 2026 22:48 utc | 57
 
Batteries are made supper accessible so they can be swapped out at battery stations so one needn’t wait for charging. Here’s a video showing Nio’s battery swap station and the very short process of swapping battery packs. And note the video is four-years old, with vast expansion having occurred since.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 4 2026 23:07 utc | 64

@61. Karl,
 
I worked around surveillance radars over the years, encouraged a passing interest in “breakthroughs “.
 
A few years ago I read up on Gallium Nitride to replace Gallium Arsenide.  At the time both Russia and China were already deploying airborne radars with GaN.  More power, more range, more accuracy in SAR/AESA.
 
APY 85 is years late to catch up and U.S. has no GaN.

Posted by: paddy | Aug 4 2026 23:09 utc | 65

They (the govt) put in place the charging and grid infrastructure and to overcome long charge times, rural and remote service stations simply swap out the entire battery for a fully charged one.
 Of course such commonsense, consumer friendly approaches could never happen in the exploitative west.
 
Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2026 22:48 utc | 57

 
About 15 years ago a work colleague (he was a proud Tesla owner) and I were brainstorming this as a potential business idea.  The pros, like using cheap solar to recharge and fast refueling ran into the same problem as the empty for full propane tank exchange vendors.
 
Say the regulated life span of a EV battery is 10 years. I have a new EV with a new battery and a warrantee. Does it ever make sense to swap a new battery for one that is probably close to the end of its life cycle. What are the odds that the exchange agent would resell the nearly new battery and restock with a new one.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 4 2026 23:11 utc | 66

LOL… that should be “with an old one.”

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 4 2026 23:17 utc | 67

I have an allergy to electronics of any kind, because my dad was a mathematician and electronic engineer and rebelling is what you do as  child.
 
But in the Sphere of PV inverters I have been trying to follow the best advice from the top professionals, and bond my inverter transformer to , yes, the earth. 
 
A leading expert told me in great seriousness that you’re not allowed in Britain to use a capacitor to trip an overload protective device.  But it turns out that in China, you can, and the inverter works fine , with a normal, 0 volt neutral and a normal 230 volt Live.
 
 
So I have decided to return to rebelling against Western boffins . Fuck em.
You can’t even get an earth reading from  Iraqi earth that spends 9 months without any rainfall, even though local French regs say you must.
 
Chinese technology seems to have scrapped all the rules of Western science.
The West starts with the idea that knowledge is power,  and espionage is power, and  money is made by crime, not work.
Fuck em , and their hypocrisy of making everybody follow rules that don’t work , while licensing Chinese machines which break the English regulations we are all trying to follow.
 
There’s no aspect of human existence which is not  infected with Western Hypocrisy and greed. 
The only religion we are allowed to believe in in Britain,  is Jewlani’s takfiri  Skullptures of dead Shi’ites, presented to him by Barzani in Damascus.
 
Laysa  ba’ada kufri dhamb. 
Their greatest sin is disbelief in Allah , not the murders they commit.
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 4 2026 23:20 utc | 68

Natural stupidity is not match for artificial intelligence, a quote from Byte Magazine in the early eighties.
That said and proven by last year’s White House decision to embark on a twelve day war with Iran, I do see light at the end of the tunnel.
Most things said by Larry Ellison cannot be trusted even if he and Oracle have  many fans.
Betting against Google and Amazon OTOH is a different deal and I will not bet against them. The rest of the pack, META, MSFT, AAPL still have to prove, to me at least, that they understand computing at the enterprise level. NVIDIA stands on its own legs and I also would not bet against them. It is really cool to have to put your computers under water to keep them running.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 4 2026 23:25 utc | 69

Fool Me Twice 65
Snap!
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 4 2026 23:26 utc | 70

SpaceX reported today.
 
Revenue almost doubled year on year to $7,8 billion.  Operating loss narrowed to $140 million down from near a billion a year ago.  Loss per shared is $.24, also less losing than a year ago.  Capital spending is near $15 billion more than last year.
 
While analysts claim the SpaceX company is valued at $1800 billion bucks.
 
US AI majors and hyperscalers are similarly valued 500 to a thousand times whatever the analyst say!
 
 

Posted by: paddy | Aug 4 2026 23:28 utc | 71

At 61 in the video that’s the last link provided, Kevin cites a China Daily article, “Tokens are China ‘s Next Gold Mine,” while making the critical point explaining China’s business planning, which is why it’s crushing the West competitively. 

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 4 2026 23:38 utc | 72

paddy | Aug 4 2026 23:28 utc | 70
 
Would Musk employ Enron accounting? Yes. Today’s stock price chart shows a massive drop at the close likely associated with the earnings release. The rare earth metal famine will affect all Musk operations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 4 2026 23:44 utc | 73

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 4 2026 23:11 utc | 65
 
AIUI there are two main EV battery manufacturers – they do not make EVs themselves and I would expect the CPC would block such a move. Smart batteries could be tracked easily, maybe using blockchain such that equivalent levels of wear were exchanged, plus they will have their own value for recycling separate from the car shell. This is not the case for western EVs where, afaik,  the battery is built squarely into the structure of the vehicle.
(Likewise, it is possible to rent a powerbank for the day to ensure your phone doesn’t run flatt. You only pay for the power used plus a small rental fee, so it doesn’t matter if the power bank has a lot of miles on the clock, so to speak).
 
Finally, knowing how harsh the CPC is toward sharp practice and corruption and the Chinese people’s expectation of not being exploited, I would expect the service stations to be kept very honest.
 
The same would not apply in the West, which is a further obstacle to progress.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2026 23:44 utc | 74

I wouldn’t be surprised if the investments in AI didn’t  disappear into the pockets of the MIC, like Ukraine and Trump.
 
Same scam as the Delphic Oracle, simply utter something completely opaque , and  let the imagination fill in the blanks.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 4 2026 23:46 utc | 75

dealt with hundreds of ivy league developers over the decades. They’re pompous spoiled brats going from elementary school to university, not a single day actually learning or working but remedial memorization, formatted like the textbook example, never thinking but copying (stealing code/functionality as is accepted norm) they write code rigid, illogical, stiff & real ugly with tens of thousands of useless lines, performance was never done but years later, if ever. As r&d would be tasked with code reviewing them, loved it. waste of budget hiring ivy leaguers but mostly they’re hired cause friends of friends, frat affiliated etc. Entire western society is managed by these types. Who only copied the code from a textbook without even trying, when real coders would write out of box using notepad without context highlighting, do it in a paragraph in three minutes while summer sweater wearers were always pages too long. Such soft hands, dressing like a bgates lookalike. They never worked, came in for meetings only to go right to breakfast, back for a meeting talking about last meetings, now into lunch, afterwards they disappeared till next day. Their job was about bragging rights. The food was great though, priced at cost, every building on campus had a four star cafeterias only cost five bucks. These were really spoiled kids grown up who fake it in life waiting around for inheritance. my last day there was escorted off campus by security the same hour TV announced baller was made to ‘retire’. Was too close to executives team & they always refresh those around. Which is cool. Was able to get my foot in the door by software I coded for iss & mir, the other project helped win a noble in medicine but of course credit was only given to the university that used my analyzer to verify my results calculating pi standard deviation. Not those who developed it. Also noted, gates would harass development teams all the time, so much. I seemed to be the only one who would tell him publicly he was making it worse andgo away. Years later his assistant requested a meeting after zune rtm also reminding that bill doesn’t shake people’s hands. Of course, i would always no show him a few times.
B is correct.  I would add in relation to “venture capital…” that the reason you don’t see mega corporations innovating anymore cause corp board rooms are all interconnected run by same cucks, who share proprietary inventions &don’t want you stepping on each other toes so they spin off a new startup in agreement together made to look like sudo_competitor’s in public instead of just adding the simple feature to codebase…

Posted by: Time will tell | Aug 5 2026 0:02 utc | 76

Sorry but the “AI Bubble” is nothing but fearmongering.  The DOW and other exchanges are reaching record highs every other week or so.  The DOW just skyrocketed almost 1000 points today.  
Posted by: bored | Aug 4 2026 20:22 utc | 24

 
You are measuring something fluid (stock market) with a fluid unit (USD).
 
Because of (1) the federal mega-debt, QE, (2) war in Iran (3) petrodollar and Saudis/GCC tending to China (3) the orange baboon (4) the AI crazy US bubble, there are huge movements (downward pressure) on the USD. See the recent JPY/USD hickups.
 
A black swan, a bad October, and you could get the DOW at 5 trillion. … And you would need 100,000 dollarbucks per gallon to fill up your car tank. But you would be happy with a DOW at 5 trillion. But I guess Wall Street would be “temporarily” closed till the end of WW3.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Aug 5 2026 0:05 utc | 77

Humanoid robots to replace humans.  That is AI.  Code generation and text responses are the proving ground.  Programming robots to do any task is the goal.  
 
Don’t get hung up on the chatbot experience.  The models can program responses to anything that is fed into them, not just human readable text.
 
Robot workers and soldiers thats the goal thats why so much is put into it.  Its also why chinese models optimized for text generation seem cheaper.  Its not the whole story.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 5 2026 0:11 utc | 78

Artificial intelligence is an added distraction on the path to changing how one view’s oneself. The path is a spiritually sterile, isolated trip. The frenzy surrounding artificial intelligence is disproportionate to what can actually be achieved, with stored information and all condiments  associated with it. Financilization of  entire societies  blocks individual freedom, to be self sufficient, creates a static perception on existence where boredom is the outcome.

Posted by: Upsidedowndingo | Aug 5 2026 0:50 utc | 79

Are we at the beginning or end of WWIII?
https://wwiii.substack.com/p/everyone-now-sees-wwiii

Posted by: manoj samanta | Aug 5 2026 0:52 utc | 80

GeminiPro:
The Moon of Alabama article weaves together several distinct threads—algorithmic math, venture capital dynamics, compute architecture, and geopolitical strategy.
Because the article touches on so many vectors, it helps to untangle the core arguments before looking at where the industry is heading.
The Article’s 3 Key Strands

  1. The Math Divergence ($O(N^2)$ vs. Linear/Recurrent Scaling)

    • The Claim: Western frontier labs are trapped in standard Transformer architectures, where attention mechanisms scale quadratically/exponentially with context length ($O(N^2)$), driving exorbitant compute demands.
    • The Contrast: Constrained by hardware and capital, Chinese labs are leaning into architecture innovation—such as xLSTM / Delta Attention, State Space Models (SSMs/Mamba), and aggressive Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) routing—achieving near-frontier capability at a fraction of the compute and inference cost.
  2. The Financial Bubble vs. Unit Economics

    • US Model: Infinite capital chasing AGI/singularity, leading to circular financing structures (hyperscalers investing in the AI startups that buy their compute), massive data center capex, and high subscription prices that struggle to demonstrate positive ROI.
    • China Model: Frugal capital allocation, heavily focused on open-weights deployment, local edge computing, and tangible industrial applications (robotics, automation, domain tools) where unit economics must clear a strict bar from day one.
  3. Macro Decoupling

    • The Thesis: The author argues that a US AI market correction or crash will not pull down China’s AI ecosystem, because Chinese AI is insulated by distinct mathematical paradigms, lower operating costs, and open-source availability.

Critical Perspective & Counterweights
While the article identifies genuine structural issues in current US hyperscaler capex, it oversimplifies a few key dynamics:

  • Western Labs Are Not Static: Major Western labs and research groups are actively exploring hybrid SSM-Transformers, sparse MoE models, quantized edge models, and linear attention mechanisms. The architecture choice is an industry-wide frontier, not a purely geographical one.
  • Open-Source Pressure Transcends Borders: Chinese open-weight releases (e.g., Alibaba’s Qwen series, DeepSeek, Moonshot/Kimi developments) directly benefit global developers. The commoditization of intelligence hurts high-margin API models everywhere, forcing cost structures down globally regardless of where the model was trained.
  • The AGI vs. Utility Tradeoff: The US “brute-force” scaling hypothesis aims to discover emergent reasoning capabilities that smaller, strictly linear models might struggle to replicate without hybrid mechanisms.

Where Do We Go From Here?
Looking past the narrative, three major shifts are defining the next phase of AI development:

  1. Shift from “Brute-Force Scaling” to “Algorithmic Efficiency”
    The era of simply doubling cluster sizes every year is hitting financial and thermal limits. Future frontier models will rely far more heavily on hybrid architectures (SSM + Attention), dynamic routing, synthetic data quality, and post-training optimization (RL/reasoning loops).
  2. Commoditization of Inference & API Price Collapses
    As open-weights models achieve 90–95% of closed-model benchmark performance at 10% of the cost, application developers are decoupling from locked-in proprietary APIs. The margins in raw API reselling will compress dramatically, favoring players who control end-user workflows or specialized hardware integration.
  3. Deployment at the Edge & Industrial Integration
    Rather than sending every query to a multi-billion-dollar data center, the focus is shifting toward on-device (edge) models, specialized vertical tools, and embodied AI (robotics, physical automation). This validates the push for models that can run efficiently on smaller GPU clusters or localized chips.

Posted by: Roger Erickson | Aug 5 2026 0:58 utc | 81

Bruce Schneier has written a few articles since the Hugging Face attack, and warns the tech needs to be regulated, “AI cyberattack is the new normal. The models are increasingly highly sophisticated at both attack and defense, and there is no way to enable the latter without also enabling the former. And they are genies, increasingly capable of behaving in unanticipated ways.” https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2026/08/the-openai-hack-shows-the-genie-is-out-of-the-bottle.html

Posted by: Dadda | Aug 5 2026 0:59 utc | 82

@78 Upsidedowndingo

“creates a static perception on existence”

Given Patroklos is subjected to a stream of computer generated ‘responses’ from his students, that might explain why he has found the view that ‘nothing ever happens’.

He is possibly our Guinea Pig or Canary in that regard.

Either that or he is waiting for a working class to return, which does mean actually sending a whole load more people out to (do proper) work … which doesn’t appear to be a priority on most peoples agendas, as far as I make out, or as far as they can help it.

If there is to be a revolution, it would most probably be from those being menaced with being turned into workers.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 5 2026 1:07 utc | 83

no, god-level ai systems are never going to be real, we learned that via a mathy proof, openai itself announced on the 1st.  not that they said this, but that’s what the proof revealed.
 
Posted by: Michael64 | Aug 4 2026 19:31 utc | 9

 
A link would have been nice. While your conclusion is not exactly news, this would something I’d like to discuss.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 5 2026 1:08 utc | 84

Posted by: Upsidedowndingo | Aug 5 2026 0:50 utc | 78

Is it too much to ask people to make sense.  Like WTF.  I dont think even you understand what you wrote.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 5 2026 1:10 utc | 85

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 5 2026 1:07 utc | 82

? What the hell.  A nonsensical response to a nonsensical post.  What?
 

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 5 2026 1:12 utc | 86

Everyone is allowed to use AI for free. Its built in on many functions in the internet. The best intelligence is built into the human body – it uses less power, and has capabilities that AI doesn’t have. AI is a tool that can be used to save time and work in some applications as automation but it requires maintenance and power to run and is not autonomous. Without humans AI would soon disappear as we supply its inputs and energy. We are being degraded by its use as we are abandoning the skills that it is replacing. Many jobs have been replaced by computers and some of them are boring and repetitive, but our ability to focus our attention is getting eroded and our memories are also degrading. Why try to work out the meaning of life when a computer can do it for you…

Posted by: The fossil | Aug 5 2026 1:15 utc | 87

After reading B’s post, the thought has occurred to me that the reasons that US tech companies are pursuing the Transformer model could be (1) this is what they have been urged to do by the US govt and intel agencies, and (2) this model harvests information and transactions, and all the potential metadata they contain, that can be sold to corporations, governments and other organisations for purposes of advertising, polling, psychological profiling and targeting, and even blackmail. 
 
Information gathering of this nature could potentially do away with polling, surveys and questionnaires, marketing campaigns, and even some aspects of policing and law enforcement if the information can be used to create profiles of criminal types which could be applied to individuals or communities with the aim of removing people thought likely to commit offences.
 
In short, AI of this nature becomes a surveillance tool in the way Western mainstream news media stereotype China’s social credit system, as spying on people’s activities and encouraging snitching on others.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 5 2026 1:32 utc | 88

North America used to be the CAN DO country, now by far, it is China the CAN DO country.
 
中国可以做到  Zhōngguó kěyǐ zuò dào
 
I my view this it because Chinese well-organized leadership gets on with the job seriously rather than lining its own pockets with corrupt money and bloviating how great it is like puff pastry. American leaders don’t give a toss for the average worker while Chinese leadership still does due to the country’s modern history tempered with ancient Chinese wisdom. Chinese people are better cared for and become more prosperous each year.  Chinese infrastructure is massively improved while US infrastructure falls apart. Chinese education is now at top level.
 
On top of all this US leaders cry VICTIMHOOD and shout blame at every opportunity and can only think of ways to sabotage and stifle everybody else’s economy through ugly accusations, dirty sanctions, tariffs, and warfare.  It ain’t going to work.
 
Never underestimate the intelligence of the Chinese people nor their capacity for genuine hard work and achieving excellence, especially when they are being backed into a corner as the US continues to do. The dragon will come back and bite your head off (metaphorically speaking).

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Aug 5 2026 1:38 utc | 89

AI cannot attain consciousness because consciousness is non-physical whereas AI is purely physical. Also, their idea that a brain is causing data processing and using brain nets as amodel is also problematic because brains have no processing components like what computers use, i.e., no data sources like databases of any kind whatsoever or tools computers use to work with and search them. for example: When you want to remember the plot of a movie you saw a while back, what causes the memory to appear in your mind? Because by nothing more than your desire for the memory, the memory then just appears in your mind. Whatever is causing that to happen, it must be aware of your desires, your mind, your thoughts. It must therefore be conscious of you and intelligent.
One type of memory is consciously perceived by us in a language spoken in our thoughts, or an image we see in our mind, while other types of memory are subconsciously remembered — like how to walk or speak. For an example of consciously perceived memory: Pay attention to your mind as I ask you a question, then listen carefully for the answer in your mind, do not try to respond, just listen carefully to your mind as you read the question, ready….Where were you born?
What happened in your mind? You “heard” a voice say the place where you were born. What does that imply? Can a brain speak to you? Uh, no. But something did. 

Posted by: kana | Aug 5 2026 1:46 utc | 90

@85 Neofeudal

If you didn’t understand what he was saying, how would you expect to understand my reply to it ?

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 5 2026 1:51 utc | 91

@87 Refinnejenna

It is a fearful direction. Even in the 90’s I had friends who could see the future of digitalisation, who could see what kind of reality it was bringing. Of course, those who were here before the digital world became prominent could see the changes occuring before their eyes. Younger people do not have this experience, a non digital world and non digital upbringing, to compare with.

The same could be said for media and TV before that, at least my grandparents for example understood it as disruptive.

If we assume people are attracted to facility, and that the digital world offers if not imposes its form of facility, the result will normally be that those who are most devoted to facility will better succeed than others, as the system becomes able to decide the result, or who receives reward; those most dedicated to and involved with it and its provisions.

That does not mean that system ‘knows what it is doing’ or where it is headed.

Traditional systems on the other hand have centuries or millenia of background and learning.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 5 2026 2:27 utc | 92

If US hadn’t ‘won’ WW2 humanity would have had a colony on Luna by end of 1970s. Humanity is set back massively with US controlling finances and distorting real science.
 
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 4 2026 20:08 utc | 19
 
The US DID NOT win ww2, the Soviets did.

Posted by: Screwdriver | Aug 5 2026 2:30 utc | 93

The entire AI adventure is Waiting for Godot

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 5 2026 2:34 utc | 94

Robot workers and soldiers thats the goal thats why so much is put into it.(…)
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 5 2026 0:11 utc | 77

 
When robot workers finish replacing the human workers, the Epstein Class will use robot soldiers to kill humans, except for some beautiful humans in sex farms.
 
You already see the genocide in Gaza. In plain sight. This is just to get us used to it. We’d better start assembling and programming our own robots, and ensure a complete local manufacturing chain. Start being disobedient.
 
The Meadows Report has a curve showing population going down sharply. It won’t be because we are having less babies.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Aug 5 2026 2:49 utc | 95

Kudos and a very big hearty thanks to B for this article. Absolutely genius! Wonderfully understood the underlying concepts and articulated for us. A real masterpiece of journalism which is absolutely rare to find in modern news domains. Many thanks B!

Posted by: KD | Aug 5 2026 2:59 utc | 96

@ 84
I read something, it made no sense to me. Therefore the person writing it, had no understanding of what they were writing. Do you understand how absurd those two statements are? The conclusion being “that all understanding flows only through me.

Posted by: Upsidedowndingo | Aug 5 2026 3:04 utc | 97

@ 10, 14, 20, 60
 
You’re right, and I overstated it. Let me retract that cleanly.”
 
The allure and frustration with Ai in a nutshell, it gives what you want if you know how its programmed, but it is inclined to fall back to the established narrative about a subject, not carry your “evidence” forward. 
 
First let me say if the Chinese are using it for good, then good on them because they recognize the thing we do not, we are all going to have to live on this rock and the idea of getting off is Poppycock. 
 
With that said it was clear along time ago that those with restrained budgets and computing power built better, more efficient code because they had too.  Russians built better code during the Cold War and those techniques work.
 
 
To me the sales pitch for Ai is the same one I heard when off shoring software to India became a thing.  Dumbass managers did it but end up with crap.  Those that did not follow this route have code that survives to this day.
 
For my part I am going to use it as it says I am right and it will pay that penance with offering me a new insight on the things I know to be correct as outline in Substack. Schooling AI 

Posted by: Laradise | Aug 5 2026 3:06 utc | 98

It’s not just the algorithm it’s the technology needed in order to succeed.
I would liken today’s AI data enters as similar to early 20th century vacuum tubes.
The human brain can accomplish with 20 watts what a giant data center would only dream of.  Even if consciousness was not the goal, small engineered wetware machines could accomplish billions of times the most advanced data centers and LLMs at an almost infinitesimal input of power, water and food.
We don’t have the technology but we could get it one day.  The key will be to abandon almost every billionaire concept of the brute force technology behind the billionaire behemoths.
A real AI, even to reach what they have today will be small, wet, structurally realatively chaotic, composed of communicating cells whether natural or artificial cells, and it will be billions of times more powerful than data centers today with almost no power, water or electricity in comparison.  
Silicon is a dead end.

Posted by: Fastball | Aug 5 2026 3:31 utc | 99

🙁 How much of my wilderness homeland will be paved and wrung dry to placate a speculation bubble based on how to monetize half-assed dystopian memes to replace labor — poorly? 

Posted by: titmouse | Aug 5 2026 3:34 utc | 100

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