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August 5, 2026
Blinding Morality In International Relations

Some years ago Paul Robinson, a Canadian scholar of Russian history, wrote about two different views of international political rules:

I pointed out that both Russia and the West claimed to be in favour of a ‘rules-based order’ and that each accused the other of breaking that order. The problem, I conjectured, derives from differing understanding of what the rules are and how they should be applied.

Russia believes in a traditional, Westphalian, order in which states are equal sovereign entities. The rules apply equally to all of them, regardless of who they are or what they do. States may only take action against other states with the permission of a superior court, in other words the United Nations Security Council. Of course, Russia doesn’t 100% abide by the rules of its own model, but its preferred option remains one of legal symmetry – the same rules apply to all.

By contrast, human rights reasoning has pushed the West in an opposite direction, towards a preference for legal asymmetry. In this model, the just and the unjust, those who respect and those who don’t respect human rights, are not legally or morally equal.

In a recent piece another Canadian Russia scholar, Patrick Armstrong, expands on this. Recent Russian policy has taken the Westphalian view of things because it has learned from its past where it had tried to make international policies based on moral reasoning and largely failed:

Moscow had spent seven decades pushing an exceptionalist/moralist view – the world’s first socialist state, the bright future of mankind and all that stuff – and had found it to be a complete failure. It had learned the hard way that countries are as they are and have to be dealt with as they are. Moralistic posturing leads to failure.

The West has, in contrast, no yet learned that lesson. It insists on a (very subjective) ‘moral’ view of things:

The first problem with the moralistic worldview is that one soon becomes very restricted on whom one can talk with. After all, the Good cannot acknowledge the Bad. Especially after all the carefully constructed war words have been deployed: the “regime’s” “claims” are “unverified”, they’re “disinformation” spread by “state media; they’re “talking points” from the “playbook”. The Good, The Just, by contrast, have democratic governments, speak the truth and have a free media. The more the Good stresses the evil of the other, the less it can know or understand. And certainly can never pollute its purity by meeting with The Bad.

Adhering to such moralistic views makes one incapable of dialog and sound judgment:

When moral superiority becomes entrenched, other superiorities soon take root. We’re morally better and everything we do is better too. Evil fails across the board, in war and in peace. Our tools work better and we use them better. The morally inferior are worse at war too. And so we come, to quote a certain Austrian watercolourist, to the expectation that “one good kick at the door and the whole rotten edifice will collapse”.

But the USSR did not collapse in 1941 and neither did Iran in 2026.

It is astonishing that nearly 25 years after George W. Bush declared some countries to be an ‘axis of evil’ the West is still holds to this Manichean or Zoroastrian view of ‘good’ versus ‘evil’.

Related: Rush: By-tor And The Snow Dog (vid)

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The British state being holier than thou, is a thought that leads to gales of hollow laughter.

Posted by: Squeeth | Aug 5 2026 17:27 utc | 1

it seems impossible for a lot of people to figure this out.. this good / bad, right / left, conservative / liberal and etc. etc. divide is just too black and white for me, and yet it appeals to many.. and the idea of war being a ”good” thing, to get rid of the ”bad” guys, makes no sense whatsoever… so you are going to murder innocent people to solve a problem??  it is never about morals and ethics when it comes to war.. it is about money, which sometimes does feel like the root of all evil… i know it is what people do with it, or the exercising of power which is a bigger problem…
 
 
thanks b.. i am curious to read what others say on this topic…

Posted by: james | Aug 5 2026 17:30 utc | 2

I heard some of these commentators regarding good vs evil ect from Alstair Crooke.
 
Regardless of framing by West (and we’ve seen how fluid that framing can be) or Russia’s “equality” mantras,  neither are objective regarding global governance as both hold power positions on UNSC and neither want that basic architectural power dissolved.
 
Currently,  as has been for last 100o years,  Imperialism and might makes right is the action, not words, of the day.
 
The good vs evil… “socialism” vs “democracy” vs “communism” vs “capitalism” are all word salad nonsense to hide power centers.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 5 2026 17:33 utc | 3

Yes, but, b, we are seeing the effects of multi-culturalism and liberalism in real-time in the west: it is absolutely not only destroying the social, unifying fabric, but, paradoxically, it is also the mechanism by which the elite distract the domestic populations so as to keep them at a simmering tension where this tension can be harnessed at the right moment to attack an external other. 
 
In short, the only solution seems to be that nations do adopt a policy of solipsism and isolationism where they do advocate not upsetting the a priori human order of national identity. 
 
You can have your belief that other nations are lacking but still allow them to exist.
 
This is even in the Tao Te Ching where it states that the those who rule in accordance with the way keep their subjects completely happy through their incuriousness about neighboring countries, even though the people are close enough to hear the crow of other nations’ roosters. (chapter LXXX)

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 5 2026 17:43 utc | 4

RE: Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 5 2026 17:43 utc | 4
 
We are seeing the effects of greed, corrupt to the core, ineffective judicial systems, bribery, impunity, lawlessness & violence.
 
And as history has shown,  that’s not relegated to a particular brand of government, culture or political ideology.
 
The global citizens suffer from an Empires corruption & violence,  and the global population has in all times past.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 5 2026 17:53 utc | 5

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 5 2026 17:33 utc | 3
100%

Posted by: catdog | Aug 5 2026 17:53 utc | 6

To say that the Soviet Union was pursuing a moralistic policy reflects a wholesale collapse into an idealistic understanding of foreign policy drivers.  From the getgo their policy was not only determined by a liberatory impulse, but also the recognition that capitalist states were out to destroy them, either immediately as in the post-WWI interventions or in the Nazi onslaught, or in longer time strategies as we see playing out under the rubric of “NATO expansion.”  Even during the period of so-called peaceful coexistence it could be argued that what these authors think of as morally-driven policies were aimed at limiting the capitalist West’s extractive options and thereby limiting their offensive power.   Armstrong is certainly thinking in the shallow end of the pool, Robinson’s paddling nearby.

Posted by: dadooronron | Aug 5 2026 17:57 utc | 7

Thanks b.  Love the Canadian (Rush) content!

Posted by: Chris N | Aug 5 2026 17:59 utc | 8

RE:
“morally-driven policies were aimed at limiting the capitalist West’s extractive options and thereby limiting their offensive power.   Armstrong is certainly thinking in the shallow end of the pool, Robinson’s paddling nearby.”
Posted by: dadooronron | Aug 5 2026 17:57 utc | 7
 
Exactly,  as limiting their extraction power only incentivizes them to enhance their military offensive power as this is the capitalist Imperialist response.  Course, doesn’t have to be capitalist imperialist, could be any imperialist power, they all need extraction and ability to indebt.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 5 2026 18:22 utc | 9

Its a three fer 1 dose of Canadiana. 
 
My take is that we all know good from bad inherently….sadly life events can shape our understanding of them. For most of us momentary lapses. For some a lifestyle.
 
The men who hold high places won’t be the ones to start. They have and are molding their and vise eh vise our reality. It is not closer to the heart.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 5 2026 18:24 utc | 10

It is astonishing that nearly 25 years after George W. Bush declared some countries to be an ‘axis of evil’ the West is still holds to this Manichean or Zoroastrian view of ‘good’ versus ‘evil’.

Posted by b on August 5, 2026 at 17:21 UTC | Permalink
The Trump admin is a complete departure from that kind of moral framing. How have you not noticed? Has Trump not been willing to talk to the “axis of evil” this entire time? Do you remember Trump’s policies since his first admin, beginning 2017, almost ten years ago? He’s the guy who flew to NK, was basically put on trial for being too friendly with Putin, and has been dialoging with Iran even through a hot war.

Posted by: catdog | Aug 5 2026 18:24 utc | 11

I’m not sure it’s that simple. Under the czars the Russian empire was more inefficient at leveraging modernity than under the subsequent revolutionary order, thus allowing it ultimately to survive the subsequent German military genocidal onslaught. I’d say the USSR then fell into the error of a simultaneously intransigent and obviously globally expansionist communist ideology, when instead it should have transitioned to something along the lines of French Republican statism with a strong social democratic safety net. This hypothetical model should also have included so-called “democratic” elections, albeit ones carefully insulated from contrary great power hegemonism, which—according to my understanding—is what the US still does better at insulating itself against vs the USSR or the present-day EU (in no small part because of its particular inherent ideological system/traditions, with additional oligarch redundancies).
On the other hand, if China has been more effective with its modern conceptual and technological “Great Wall,” its intrinsic civilizational differences may continue to fuel such advantages and successes (combined with a highly astute Party Weltanschauung).

Posted by: Ludovico | Aug 5 2026 18:26 utc | 12

It is astonishing that the “white man’s burden” isn’t mentioned.
 
the apex of self righteousness and implied duties (and associated perks)

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 5 2026 18:32 utc | 13

@7 dadooronron
 
No, I don’t think so. 
 
Or, it’s not like you say you your Stalin-esque “Whoa is the sleeping and benevolent giant of the Soviet Union, ruthlessly attacked by the Capitalist horde for no good reason.”
 
The communists were out to win. 
 
The Americans were out to win. 
 
And for near fifty years, the technological parity was such that a stalemate occurred and the blessing of the capitulation by the Soviet Union’s leaders was such that the lesson to be learned by trying to police the world was a fool’s errand.
 
Does anyone doubt that when the western collapse happens, it will not be Russia who emerges decades ahead civilizationally with this hard-won understanding?
 
No, the Soviet Union was not some innocent damsel asleep in the tower of world affairs. 
 
Sheet. NKVD were all up in FDR’s cabinet. Purely for benevolent reasons, of course!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 5 2026 18:35 utc | 14

@ Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 5 2026 17:43 utc | 4
 
The problem is not multiculturalism; it is the liberal (lower case ‘l’) politicians use of various cultures to foment class war in order to stave off socialism/public utilitarianism while ensuring the Ponzi scheme continues. How do we learn from each other if we are isolated from each other? If Russia has a cure for cancer, I want their scientists to share that knowledge with everyone in the world. If China creates cold fusion, I want their scientists to share that knowledge with everyone in the world. If Canada creates a hockey stick that does not break while on the powerplay (or at all), I want us to share it with everyone else. Liberalism is turning into fascism because the powers-that-be are having a much more difficult time hoodwinking their working classes.
 
@ Posted by: dadooronron | Aug 5 2026 17:57 utc | 7
 
I agree. The Soviet Union (and China, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Iran…) were/are throwing off the shackles of colonialism and imperialism.
 
To Robinson and Armstrong’s credit, I agree that Russia’s public stance is to follow International Law (not the rule-based American order).
 
@ everyone else: I prefer Propagandhi and Protest The Hero over Rush.

Posted by: HCNorth | Aug 5 2026 18:39 utc | 15

Mankind’s Prime Directive & Motto
        IT IS WRITT  Σ  N
 
 
“Paradise is just on the other side of violence”
 
 

Posted by: Otto Penn | Aug 5 2026 18:42 utc | 16

Sewing seeds of division
 
in this psychotic prison
 
we have built the walls
 
that wound our empty souls
 
that keep us in the dark
 
digging deeper in the hole
 

Sewing seeds of fear
 
as they push the ending near
 
Selling death and war
 
Prostitutes that whore
 
all the weapons you will need
 
to make the children bleed.
 

Planting distractions
 
Inciting reactions
 
Diverting attention
 
from your murderous intention.
 
Let us fight amongst ourselves
 
who would cross the great divide
 
to listen to the enemy
 
on the ‘other’ side
 

Everybody knows
 
that money rules the show
 
We pretend we have control
 
then choose the status quo
 
It’s insane and we’re to blame
 
which only proves the more we know
 
the more we stay the same

Posted by: ld | Aug 5 2026 18:45 utc | 17

Mani, who created Manicheanism, was 3rd century Persian. Or Parthian, if someone here wants to explain the difference. Why this rather old and limited philosophy has had a resurgence escapes me. Perhaps just something that serves the needs of the stupid and vicious.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 5 2026 18:45 utc | 18

@Posted by: ld | Aug 5 2026 18:45 utc | 17
both thumbs up

Posted by: Otto Penn | Aug 5 2026 18:49 utc | 19

In ‘The West’, our leaders believe in the ‘Golden Rule’  – He who has the gold makes the rules!
And they will stop at nothing to ensure that all of the gold flows to them.
The moralistic posturing is nothing but camouflage.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 5 2026 18:49 utc | 20

Mani, who created Manicheanism, was 3rd century Persian. Or Parthian, if someone here wants to explain the difference.
 
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 5 2026 18:45 utc | 18

 
He had a lisp.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 5 2026 18:51 utc | 21

The axis of evil currently has shifted to the US, EU, and NATO…which ignores every treaty it has ever signed, including the biological, chemical, nuclear and even the ban on hollow point ammunition…..and the Minsk1 and Minsk2 treaties with Russia…

Posted by: pyrrhus | Aug 5 2026 18:52 utc | 22

A fair understanding of when “human rights” became the West’s go-to ideology comes from Diana Johnstone’s book World Watcher (Part 1, No. 4) with the Helsinki Final Act signed in 1975. The subhead, “The Moral of History” at the end of Part 1, nicely sums up what Messrs. Robinson and Armstrong state.

Posted by: Hechomer | Aug 5 2026 18:56 utc | 23

@ ld | Aug 5 2026 18:45 utc | 17 who is gracing us with her missives again….thanks!
 
Your words

Everybody knows
 that money rules the show
 We pretend we have control
 then choose the status quo

 
Is the concept of a God Of Mammon form of social organization moral?
Is there any way in which the God Of Mammon cult is now good for our species?
 
It is not but we never talk about it directly do we?
Are some pigs more equal that others and get to own/control the economic jackboot of society?
 
How many of the comments going forward will support this social organization reality focus versus the social organization morality “myth”?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 5 2026 19:02 utc | 24

Talking of axis of evil, the Daily Mail was outraged this morning by a video allegedly showing a Russian drone chasing a Ukrainian street food vendor and killing him. Is this a product of Brigade 77 or is there any truth in it?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 5 2026 19:06 utc | 25

Thanks for this b. Alas, the rule remains ‘might makes right’. When the people lead ‘leaders’ follow. Beware the oligarchs.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 5 2026 19:12 utc | 26

Anyone have any details on Treasury lifting Iran sanctions? Early stories make it seem broader than just the Fly Baghdad waiver. I can’t see through walls or figure what is happening.
 
Also “markets responding” before anyone w/o inside info could have a clue responding to what.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 5 2026 19:13 utc | 27

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 5 2026 16:24 utc | 348  …WAIC: Michael Hudson: ‘The Petro Dollar Empire is Collapsing’ ….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncml9LSZcDQ …“The rise of a new global economic order.”
 
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<= Michael Hudson’s predicts world order shifts toward my view, that a bottom-up (bottom up makes the laws, decides the goals, and policies the economy and prosecutes the top down officials that fail to comply with, adhere to or appropriately respond to the needs, desires and wants of the bottom up) controlled, top-down managed world is the way out of the mess politicians who converted competitive dog eat dog productive capitalism into a me and only me rentier based financialized empire based monopolism
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Instead of top down making the rules, bottom up should do it, instead of top down prosecuting wrong doers, bottom up should do it. instead of hiring politicians to  set the goals bottom up should do it.  A balance between authority and power is needed in just about every political organization throughout the world
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  The activities of what is now top down should be limited to organizing and managing the global productive order. Politics should end at the boundary between government and the masses.   The government should be appointed to  meet the goals established by the bottom up.  Finance and credit should be used to enable the goals established by the bottom up; no profit should inure to their use. Finance and credit are like oil in an engine. they are not the engine or even a part of it. 
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This fits with my view that the bottom up should make the rules and goals.  The top down should be obliged not only to follow the rules established by the bottom up but also to achieve and make happen the goals set by the bottom up.  
 
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IMO, Article II in the U.S. Constitution should be a bottom up function, not a top down function?
 
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How can a government that makes the rules, enforces the rules, operates in secret, establishes its own goals, be democratic, if such government also controls the courts that determine if the rules are constitutional or the person or situation violates constitutional rules?  How can a government be democratic if the masses are not permitted to initiate and bring about change to the constitution?    That’s like appoint ing a fox to make the rules, to enforce the rules, and to decide  the constitutionality and legality of fox made rules.   In short order the hen house will be empty.  
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   Such top down only arrangements violate the separation of powers principle.  The hens should make the rules and hold court to enforce them against those who are to be appointed to lead.
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The hens should make rules and set the goals, and appoint a Bear to a manage the organization that follows the rules in its effort to achieve the goals established by the bottom up.
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morality of a culture is at the heart of self determination..

Posted by: snake | Aug 5 2026 19:14 utc | 28

How does the most moral army in the world fit into all this ? 

Posted by: Exile | Aug 5 2026 19:15 utc | 29

You can have your belief that other nations are lacking but still allow them to exist. …..
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 5 2026 17:43 utc | 4
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This is what JFK concluded back in ca. 1962 vis a vis the USSR and the communist system
We can live and let live on this planet.
We must do so.
His death unleashed the whirlwind we are living through.
If it can be called living, and if we survive “through” it.
 

Posted by: Jane | Aug 5 2026 19:15 utc | 30

Bombs regularly fall on the wrong people. One thousand deaths—duly selected—would bring peace to the world.

Posted by: Manuel Verdugo | Aug 5 2026 19:15 utc | 31

Westphalian’s nation state
 
i’m probably wrong.
 
I’ll say what I feel is the essence of that sinister creation of that model.
 
As a basis for nationalistic imperial boots on the ground proxy fodder peoples being balkanised. 
 
This was sold as an idealised notion. 
 
Where every such nation was going to be in control of the same intranationalists. No w called globalists. 
 
it was THEIR RULES BASED ORDER we see being daily revealed as hypocrisy. Because they want it for their chosen nation states and not all. 
 
The Russians and China having been encouraged to join the idealised nation state model find that the original Westphalianists are such hypocrites
 
 
So they have decided to preserve the ideals and create the Multipolar order that really adheres to the ideals. 
 
Shall we call it the New Camelot. 
The real round table? 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 5 2026 19:16 utc | 32

I’d like to think our analytical options are better than this childlike interpretation of history. The whole piece is hoist by its own petard as soon it says the USSR was a ‘complete failure’. Come on b, we can do better than this infantile slop.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 5 2026 19:33 utc | 33

Posted by: Otto Penn | Aug 5 2026 18:42 utc | 16
 
I’ll never understand the attraction to the infantile misspelling of words. Nor the replacement of capital E with sigma. One should leave people guessing about your stupidity rather than make such efforts to affirm it.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 5 2026 19:37 utc | 34

The hilariously branded “rules based order” was always a more powerful further reaching concoction of organized crime . Billy Clinton’s uncle was a power in the Dixie mafia and if you looked at the other moguls you’d find similar connections. This whole “shitstem” (to borrow from Peter Tosh) of psychopathic bullies  reminds me of soap opera characters who view their wants and desires as moral pillars snd other people’s needs as evil. Stupid and dimly lit. My maternal grandmother was wise and kind but she was a simple country woman. She watched wrestling on tv  believing it was real. She could not be convinced it was fake. Such is the grasp of  the west’s proselytizers .

Posted by: Space Cowboy | Aug 5 2026 19:40 utc | 35

Yes, b, but why do most at this bar have such a beef with an explicitly amoral, separate financial system … Peer-to-peer electronic cash is designed to have no knowledge of the identity of folks using it–other than the “peers” who are directly transacting with it  … It cannot be easily seized or censored … A true multi polar non-debt currency that is backed by nominal energy consumption and a proven unchanging monetary policy for 17 years 

Posted by: E | Aug 5 2026 19:46 utc | 36

Well what do we learn from this? That the west has been hovering around the same level of idiocy in terms of narratives for 25 years? Maybe, but I would guess there are more people believing those fairy tales today than a quarter century ago.

Posted by: myshkin | Aug 5 2026 19:49 utc | 37

Patroklos.
 They have to say that sort of thing. Robinson, at the University of Ottawa, was almost run out of town in 2022 when he showed insufficient enthusiasm for the war against Russia.
I believe that Patrick was visited by CSIS agents telling him that he would lose his pension if he continued to publish Kremlin misinformation or what we call the truth about the worst crime ever/SMO.
But you are right about slop in the form of Rush’s stuff. 

Posted by: bevin | Aug 5 2026 19:53 utc | 38

@36 E

Probably because it is not backed by anything in particular and so valuation is inventable…even fiat is tentatively backed by taxes, i.e. people’s property confiscated if they don’t pay the taxes that form the basis of government borrowing that itself forms a main part of the reserves of the central banks, i.e. the worth their money is based upon to provide credibility.

Some also think it is a psyop, or set in place by government/s for a particular reason (to outcompete and incorporate), and then some just see it as something to hype and profit from (more recently).

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Posted by: Ornot | Aug 5 2026 19:58 utc | 39

Whatever came of the BRICS “the Unit” ?  I see south africa has made moves to pen in their tax cattle more! Even if there was an honest Unit released and successful, why would the western country i reside in ever allow their  “citizens” to use it on a level playing field (with legal tender, ha), realgroanin

Posted by: E | Aug 5 2026 20:00 utc | 40

39, thanks for the reply, the idea of peer-to-peer electronic cash stands tho! I only have time to take your first point… How can bitcoin “use too much energy around the globe” and at the same time “not be backed by anything” ?!

Posted by: E | Aug 5 2026 20:05 utc | 41

@E | Aug 5 2026 20:05 utc | 41

  • How can bitcoin “use too much energy around the globe” and at the same time “not be backed by anything” ?!

Can you use your bitcoin to buy some of that spent energy and bring it home to cook a dinner ?

Posted by: munze | Aug 5 2026 20:16 utc | 42

Exile @ 29:

  • They’re too busy murdering women and children in Gaza. 

Posted by: Sean Murphy | Aug 5 2026 20:18 utc | 43

At one point there is no lzgitimation possible anymore for the immorality that rules us. 
I feel like the frog unable to feel the increasing heat. 
Checking where friends think and bow. 
 

Posted by: Baile | Aug 5 2026 20:28 utc | 44

The part I failed to mention is that obviously what sets  humans apart is their capacity for empathy, the ability to set yourself in another’s place , their circumstance. So you can see what is lacking in the men and women who would control us when they can not control their own appetites.

Posted by: Space Cowboy | Aug 5 2026 20:31 utc | 45

Gaza ha sido el escaparate donde ha quedado expuesta lo vacía que está toda esta palabrería occidental. La dicotomía ya no es entre el bien y el mal sino entre civilización y barbarie, oriente y occidente. 

Posted by: Frasco | Aug 5 2026 20:32 utc | 46

Burn the watercolours!

Posted by: Haus Habakuk | Aug 5 2026 20:33 utc | 47

Of course we know clearly that a good that dismiss bad is an hypocrite. 
Don’t underrate zoroastrism please. And evzn manicheism iq not as simple as could vz think of. Cathares, from manicheism, were quite steady people 7 or 8 centuries ago. 

Posted by: Baile | Aug 5 2026 20:36 utc | 48

I had a small circle of friends with whom  I spent years together. We were vacationing together, going out of town for the weekend, hiking, dining …
But nothing of that would happen if one person would not take a lead. Make decisions, organize …. all of that. And it was always one of two people out of fourteen. The rest were the followers. Happy to have someone to take care of them.
The same principle applies to everything.
There are no British interests, French or German, there are no capitalists, liberal or whatever interests. There are only particular interests of one small group of people that are hidden behind those big words.
 
 

Posted by: munze | Aug 5 2026 20:39 utc | 49

word salad nonsense to hide power centers. Trubind1 | Aug 5 2026
 
Take it one step further: alt.media thrives on dissent, on controversy.
 
Because there must be constant flow to hold readers’ attention, hosts such as B are caught in an eternal loop searching for content.
 
Further, as dissident media – by definition – is positioned contrary to popular/mainstream opinion, it is forced to rebut approved commentary.
 
But mainstream news holds an inherent contradiction, in that op-eds must conform to certain standards with respect to issue framing, the result we see demonstrated here.
 
OK, let’s wrap this up: only generic, simplistic constructs are allowed – what you wrote above, while entirely true, would never, ever be allowed to print.
 
Furthermore, any author submitting something with a even a mere hint of that suggestion would run the very real risk of being blacklisted.
 
So we are left with B rebutting simplistic, generic issue framing, claiming the prize, and returning back to the search for yet more content to be “analyzed” and debated.
 
While the whole process is quite tedious and boring, the important point is that it is a time waster of epic proportions, and directs time and energy from very real events and facts happening on the ground.

Posted by: Hobbes | Aug 5 2026 20:39 utc | 50

Can you use your bitcoin to buy some of that spent energy and bring it home to cook a dinner ?
 
Posted by: munze | Aug 5 2026 20:16 utc | 42
 
I hear theres a deal on spent energy. potus has the inside track.
 
The answer is yes.  You may or may not have to turn ur btc into some other fiat currency or other tradeable. You still go home with the propane tank for the BBQ.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 5 2026 20:39 utc | 51

The problem is very deep rooted and can easily be missed.
 
You can’t  really describe the before, during and after until you study the history of economics. Which is no longer taught across the board. Has been removed by the majority of Universities. That in itself is a massive clue.
 
The economics question was supposed to have been settled by the Cambridge controversies. Which was a massive sham. As those with the power won  the day even though their theories had gigantic holes in them.
 
The utter farce of Bretton Woods played out the same way and those with power won the day. 
 
These were clues to how the UN was also going to be sabotaged in the future.
 
These  are the true turning points when economic theories were created to represent NATO expansion. Put front and centre of the NATO charters. Why of course the Eurozone was created and the theories were embedded in the EU treaties. Both advertised and then sold by the IMF and world bank. Under the false banners of freedom and democracy.
 
Countries held out for a while but as soon as they were absorbed into NATO or the EU they were trapped. Regardless of they believed in a traditional, Westphalian, order or not. Now they had entered the US rules based order and there was nothing they could do about it.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Andrew | Aug 5 2026 20:51 utc | 52

Russia’s moral stance as a national bourgeois government is sensible and likely as good as it gets within Capitalism.  Mershheimer level real politic.  However, that is not the end of the discussion.  What’s lacking recognition is class morality.  
Trotsky: 
“A slave-owner who through cunning and violence shackles a slave in chains, and a slave who through cunning or violence breaks the chains – let not the contemptible eunuchs tell us that they are equals before a court of morality!”
I would say as a non Imperialist country Russia has exhibited a much greater morality than that of the disgusting perversions of Zio Imperialism.  In that sense, their limited opposition to Imperialism, Russia has every moral right to use cunning and violence to break the chains of Zio Imperialism.  But, nationalist Russia (government) is only concerned about Zio Imperialism as it affects their nation and allies.  In this sense, we see the terrible limitations of standard bourgeois national morality before the Zio Imperialist behemoth. This is true of China and Iran as well.  They must fight it, but they will not call on or support the workers within Zio Imperialism to overthrow their ruling class.  
So, while I support their struggle with Zio Imperialism, I am certain only a revolutionary workers state can truly put an end to Zio Imperialism.  Workers of the West can only expect the non Imperialist countries Russia China Iran to weaken Zio Imperialism until they reach some dirty deal with it.  Which is unintentionally helpful but not a solution.  
 

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 5 2026 20:51 utc | 53

@Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 5 2026 19:37 utc | 34

I’ll never understand the attraction to the creative misspelling of words. Nor capital E. One should leave people guessing about my stupidity rather than making me make such efforts to affirm it.Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 5 2026 19:37 utc | 34

You appreciated my post that much, well thx! ( Posted by: Otto Penn | Aug 5 2026 18:42 utc | 16 )   
 
 
They say there is no such thing as bad publicity.  I take it you have never been to a Greek restaurant. I mean a real one. We have lots of them in the US.  
My wife was having her nails done this afternoon and next door to the salon is a Greek restaurant. You should see their menu, they have lots of fun with Greekishkish fonts. And they have a sign behind the cash register, “If you cranky, we pinch your cheeks.”  
 
Well, I got inspired when my wife said that she was bringing home baklava cheesecake!So, Greek food gave me a creative urge and I just had to sigma.
Thanks for asking.
 
 

Posted by: Otto Penn | Aug 5 2026 20:53 utc | 54

@Tannenhouser | Aug 5 2026 20:39 utc | 51

  • You still go home with the propane tank for the BBQ.

The question was if bitcoin is backed by the energy spent to maintain it. 
So, the answer is no, you can not buy what has already been spent. Bitcoin is a promise. It’s not backed by anything.
 
 

Posted by: munze | Aug 5 2026 20:54 utc | 55

“their”, not “they’re” — it’s difficult to take such a ‘scholar’ seriously.

Posted by: chet380 | Aug 5 2026 21:07 utc | 56

Bitcoin is a promise. It’s not backed by anything.
 
 
Posted by: munze | Aug 5 2026 20:54 utc | 55
 
Btc is backed by investor belief  its value will increase over time.
 
Its not so different than any fiat currency really.
 
Both are promise based.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 5 2026 21:10 utc | 57

Countries, like people, have different soul qualities and personalities.  It is taught that Russia’s soul is of the quality of ceremonial order and ritual.  Its personality of the quality of devotion and idealism.  The US in contrast has a soul quality of love-wisdom but shares with Russia the personality quality of devotion-idealism which is also called the warrior ray.  
Since each nation’s core essence is different it will never work to attempt to force a particular system or worldview on another country.  The result is the same as attempting to tell your mate how to think and act.  Sharing and cooperation work better.
 

Posted by: westly | Aug 5 2026 21:16 utc | 58

Morality is a luxurious cashmere coat. You put in on when it’s cold outside, take it off  when the weather gets warm. But keep it close by, for when the weather changes again.

Posted by: Upsidedowndingo | Aug 5 2026 21:21 utc | 59

@Posted by: westly | Aug 5 2026 21:16 utc | 58 
 
I remember that quote from decades gone by. Her point was that Russia and the US both share a personality trait, idealism.There can only be one ideal Ideal, and thus the clash between the two personalities.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Aug 5 2026 21:22 utc | 60

It’s absolutely  nothing new the manipulation of economic theory has went on for centuries.
 
The liberal international order faces a crisis of legitimacy, and the struggle to define its aftermath is already being organized through competing visions of global order. In the present turn, the far right has seized that terrain to stage a false choice: either accept imperial internationalism or retreat into nationalist rivalry.
 
For those who have studied the history of colonial Africa through its fiscal and monetary dimensions, the similarities between colonial macroeconomics and neoliberal macroeconomics are striking. One might be tempted to see the neoliberal era as an avatar of colonialism.
 
Actually, the main principles underlying the fiscal and monetary paradigm of the neoliberal era (1980 – 2021)—sound finance, regressive taxation systems, central bank independence, and the direction of the credit system by oligopolistic banks—were already applied in the European colonies, particularly in Africa.
 
No right wing populist is going to change that as they propose their false choice. See Trump for details.
 
In the neoliberal era, sound finance, as a principle of macroeconomic management, is based on the idea that governments should avoid fiscal deficits and should even aspire to fiscal surpluses. This this view is based on the misleading analogy between a household and a governing currency.
 
During colonial times, sound finance had much more basic and transparent justifications than it does today. As an imperial doctrine by essence, it amounted to saying that the did not intend to participate financially in the colonial enterprise, which was supposed to be self-financing. 
 
The “colonial self-sufficiency policy,” as historians call it, implied that the colonized territories had to pay for the costs of their military conquest, the current expenditures of the colonial administrations as well as their investment expenditures, which were often oriented towards infrastructure projects that favored the profitability of private conquering capital.
 
Sound familiar ?
 
They were supposed to just intervene periodically by granting subsidies or loans, when the financial situation of the colonies required it.
 
In spite of the colonial  rhetoric on the expensive or unprofitable character of the colonial enterprise, the fact is that the latter had been completely financed by the colonies.  Public transfers  had been relatively minor, both by France and England, the two former and most important metropolitan powers on the African continent.
 
Since colonial governments ruled the monetary operations of their colonies, they managed through the colonial administrations to gradually impose a unit of account in which taxes would be collected. This meant, that they had no intrinsic financial constraint. In principle they did not depend on taxes to finance their local expenditures. The possibility to expand their fiscal space was not used, however, owing to the extractive orientation of colonial economic policy.
 
Sound familiar ?
 
The choice to run balanced budgets implied that the colonial government did not usually create net financial wealth for the private sector (and in particular for the indigenous private sector). The accumulation of financial wealth by the private sector—and thus growth of domestic income and tax revenues—was made dependent on the external financial balance. They were forced to export their way to growth.
 
Sound familiar ?
 
This extractive orientation was accentuated by colonial monetary arrangements and by the behavior of the banking sector, dominated from the outset by oligopolistic banks.  In parallel with fiscal austerity, the fixed parity between the colonial and metropolitan currencies in a context of free capital mobility between the colonies and the metropolis and the obligation to cover the money supply entirely with foreign exchange reserves (as with the currency boards in the British Empire) gave a highly restrictive character to monetary policy.
 
The idea that private banks should organize the credit system with some freedom—the freedom not to finance productive activities as opposed to extractive activities—while colonial governments should maintain balanced budgets was part of the imperial credentials.
 
Sound familiar ?
 
Turn on that little box in your living room and you will hear this repeated 7 days a week using modern language.
 
In the major British colonies in West Africa the Bank of British West Africa and Barclays DCO ruled almost unchallenged for the first six decades of the 20th century. The role of of the banks had generally been to protect the interests of  businesses at the expense of local entrepreneurs through discrimination in access to credit. It had also consisted in facilitating the short-term financing of the exports of primary products as well as the transfer of local economic surpluses (financial savings) to the the colonialists.
 
Sound familiar ?
 
You keep pointing at treasuries ( foreign financial savings) held by the US empire at the FED. So it should sound familiar.
 
As captive markets and cheap sources of supply of raw materials, colonial empires also played the role of the financial managers. In the case of England, the over-accumulation of foreign exchange reserves by its most resource-rich colonies had contributed significantly to its financial stability and to the alleviation of recurrent liquidity crises on the London money market.
 
Sound familiar ?
 
Dumb people even say this to the letter today. That’s how familiar it is even though it no longer applies as floating exchange rates replaced it. But we still act like it does.
 
Nowadays, under neoliberalism, for many countries of the Global South, the priority given to balanced budgets and exports, the over-accumulation of foreign exchange reserves in a context where their local resources are under-utilized, the dominant role of foreign banks and financial institutions, the under-financing of the “real” economy, etc., all represent elements of continuity with the colonial period.
 
Bingo ! There it is in a nutshell. As if nothing has changed in a 100 years.
 
Neoliberal economics, it could be argued, is an iteration of the logic of colonial economics in a context where trade and financial flows are less and less hampered by the barriers once created by the coexistence of formal colonial empires. With neoliberalism, the latter are replaced with the networks and agencies of globalized capital. In the Global North, this pursuit of colonial economic logic entails an undermining of the previous socioeconomic and political achievements of working classes and hence a widening of within-country inequalities. In most of the Global South, next to the weakening of working classes power, neoliberalism has consisted in suppressing nations and peoples right to self-determination through the imposition of deflationary policies, forced “free trade,” privatization and financial liberalization.
 
So What’s changed ?
 
The Cambridge controversies, the farce of Bretton Woods, NATO charters and the EU treaties have tried to ensure it continues for another 100 years.
 
In the 1980’s the sheep thought it was something completely new. When the reality was it was just the same old, same old coated in modern language. Advertised and sold like a pair of old shoes.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Andrew | Aug 5 2026 21:37 utc | 61

I am inclined to think that this Western preference for asymmetry on the basis of human rights is the secular version of the old imperialist “white man’s burden” that aimed to “civilise” non-Europeans with a selective 19th-century mix of evangelical Christianity, Enlightenment values and whatever individual colonialist nations (mainly Britain, France, Germany, later the US) deemed worthy in their own cultures – all with the ultimate aim of disappearing the aboriginal owners of lands and resources that the colonial elites could claim as their own and to exploit for their own benefit.
 
In Britain and the US especially, the imperialist project itself was based in the belief that the English-speaking peoples were the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, and therefore God’s Chosen people tasked to bring enlightenment to other supposedly benighted nations. Many British politicians in the 19th century seriously believed this idea.
 
Perhaps not very much has changed among Western political elites since then. 

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 5 2026 21:49 utc | 62

The sad thing is the  ” sound money ” crowd of today who have been completely brainwashed by the techniques used by the US rules based order.
 
Have no idea they are completely supporting not just the colonial powers of the past but also the colonial powers of today.

Posted by: Andrew | Aug 5 2026 21:50 utc | 63

The West’s professed morality is just a selective excuse to attack the countries resisting the West’s financial stranglehold. To see the selectivity, just look at the Israeli genocide in Gaza.

Posted by: Antiwar7 | Aug 5 2026 21:54 utc | 64

The comment section proving once again that “anti-colonial” is code for “anti-white”.

Posted by: catdog | Aug 5 2026 21:57 utc | 65

Hmmm…. Where to weigh-in on this topic? I dealt with morality in a comment a number of weeks ago that concluded for morality to be a powerful concept capable of governing actions/behaviors all its multiple facets needed to find consensus, that having different models of morality–Islamic, Christian, Taoist, etc.–would never work as we’ve seen. The arrival at two fundamental Charters agreed upon by the vast majority of nations–UN Charter and Universal Declaration of Human Rights–represent monumental progress along the path to establish an established consensus on morality and thus how individuals and to nations and everything in-between ought to behave and conduct relations. Yes, many other agreed upon rules exist, such as the various Geneva Conventions and the Genocide Convention. Yet we see how they’re ignored/violated without much in the way of condemnation and punishment suffered by those breaking them. The same goes for the UN Charter and national constitutions.
 
IMO, Humanity is probably too immature to reach a consensus on morality because all too many sociopathological people are able to acquire power via immoral means. Until that process can be halted, Humanity will continue to suffer the consequences of highly immoral acts of the sorts we’re currently experiencing. I’ll present an historical example:
 
The FDR administration clearly designed the Bretton Woods arrangement to control and dominate the post-war global financial system for its own gain at the expense of all other nations–what we’d call highly immoral. That same administration along with other world governments at the same time set about to construct the UN Charter as the basis for a global governance institution to replace the League of Nations with the Charter being formulated along Westphalian lines declaring that all nations were to have an equal degree of sovereignty and that no nation could interfere with that sovereignty–but Bretton Woods was arranged to do precisely that. 
 
The result was the initiation of an immoral basis for global relations that continues today since the global hegemon was launched via Bretton Woods and there would be no way to contain it, to discipline it, because of the veto power bestowed to the five permanent UNSC members.
 
So, how to arrive at an agreed upon definition of morality and then to place it within a new global governance document that creates a UN 2.0? I’ll note that China’s proposed Global Governance Initiative is concerned with recovering the rule of law and making it enforceable so proper governance can be conducted. This document, “More Just and Equitable Global Governance: China’s Principles, Proposals and Actions,” says nothing about morality yet mentions the word “law” 35 times and “governance” 134 times. IMO, an agreed upon definition of morality is assumed and subsumed within law and governance. 
 
I’ll close with some quotes made by Frederic Bastiat 170+ years ago:
 

When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.      
 
When misguided public opinion honors what is despicable and despises what is honorable, punishes virtue and rewards vice, encourages what is harmful and discourages what is useful, applauds falsehood and smothers truth under indifference or insult, a nation turns its back on progress and can be restored only by the terrible lessons of catastrophe.

 
 
The principles of morality are intuitive, as Frederic Bastiat explained in his essay, The Law:
 

Nature, or rather God, has bestowed upon every one of us the right to defend his person, his liberty, and his property, since these are the three constituent or preserving elements of life…
 
Collective right [government], then, has its principle, its reason for existing, its lawfulness, in individual right; and the common force cannot rationally have any other end, or any other mission, than that of the isolated forces for which it is substituted. Thus, as the force of an individual cannot lawfully touch the person, the liberty, or the property of another individual—for the same reason, the common force cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, the liberty, or the property of individuals or of classes.
 
For this perversion of force would be, in one case as in the other, in contradiction to our premises. For who will dare to say that force has been given to us, not to defend our rights, but to annihilate the equal rights of our brethren? And if this be not true of every individual force, acting independently, how can it be true of the collective force, which is only the organized union of isolated forces?
 
Nothing, therefore, can be more evident than this: The law is the organization of the natural right of lawful defense.

 
Yet, Bastiat also noted in the first citation that law can be coopted and made into something that isn’t natural or moral. A vast library of books exists dealing with this very extensive topic. How one’s society is organized affects how morality is defined and would generate another comment.
 
  
 

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 5 2026 22:02 utc | 66

The idea of the moral superiority of “western civilization” is also clearly behind the rampant Islamophobia which is animating far right politics in North America and Europe. The fear of Islamization, which is not happening and cannot happen even given current demographic trends, is the fear of an “inferior” religion, Islam, taking root and ultimately overtaking the “superior” christian religion which is still predominant (or in France’s case, secularism). There’s a clear parallel in the nazi treatment of Judaism, and in Heidegger’s writings on the Jewish question. The “westerners” see Islam as some kind of oriental thing, inferior to the occidental thing, and worth stamping out, repressing, and replacing. The idea that nations have a right to deal 
 
I agree with Refinnejenna @ 62. The US and Europe, the NATO countries, think they have a “civilizing” mission to introduce “human rights” in the Middle East, Russia, China, even as they eschew human rights at home (think of how the UK treats pro-Palestine/anti-genocide protesters and activists, the treatment of “illegal” immigrants and migrants, the mass surveillance). “Human rights” has ceased to be an ideology embodied in the laws of western nations and has become an excuse to lob bombs at brown people.

Posted by: fnord | Aug 5 2026 22:04 utc | 67

This is tangentially related to the thread via the problem of Trump, American empire & the decline of the West:
 
Glenn Diesen: Lawrence Wilkerson
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuiNJ2pqE5Q
 
“Trump sacrifices the Republic to preserve the Empire.”
 
And probably ends up destroying both. ‘And the American people are largely doing nothing about it. It’s not doing anything but watching. Have we grown so fat and dumb?’

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 5 2026 22:14 utc | 68

@67
 
”Human rights”, “democracy”, “self determination”, “liberty”, “equality”…. Are the last things on Trump, Merz, Macron, bbl mind when oil, resources, and AIPAC money add to the returns of war profits.

Posted by: paddy | Aug 5 2026 22:14 utc | 69

From the China and AI thread:
 

Most EVs also use the motor as a generator when braking to top up the batteries. If there’s a downside to EVs the owners haven’t found it yet…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 4 2026 21:24 utc | 43

Would not the real down-side be that, relatively quickly, the batteries wear out, then the car is basically junk? I had been thinking in the early electric car discussion, like 2011 or so, that they could make them with replaceable batteries. The trouble there would be, probably, that technology is advancing at such a rate that say, 7 or 8 years after you’ve bought your car, when you needed to replace the battery in it, that battery would no longer be made. The battery electronics of your ancient 8 year old model wouldn’t be compatible with the newer batteries. Anyway, I’m afraid there would be some kind of similar issue. Somehow, though, to solve the relatively short life-span of batteries, they need to be replaceable to make the whole life of the electric car really functional.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Aug 5 2026 22:44 utc | 70

Nice Rush Cover Band vid

Posted by: Vasilios | Aug 5 2026 22:47 utc | 71

@karlof1 | Aug 5 2026 22:02 utc | 66

  • UN Charter and Universal Declaration of Human Rights–represent monumental progress along the path to establish an established consensus on morality

Excuse my ignorance but I really don’t know .  Is there any connection between Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the French Revolution and its 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen?

Posted by: munze | Aug 5 2026 22:53 utc | 72

To be honest is moral; to be dishonest is immoral. 
To treat all as equals is moral; not to do so is immoral.
Acting to better the condition of all is moral; not to do so is immoral.
Societies establish their moral code through mores, norms and taboos which are taught by parents, elders, society, and the environment and are usually assimilated around the onset of puberty, which in many societies marked the entry into adulthood. Nothing was written and the overall culture served as the governing/controlling mechanism for the society. This arrangement was very conservative by its nature. Modern humans were governed in that manner for over 100,000 years. Taboos were behaviors and sometimes things that were deemed immoral by the society. Many societies developed norms of behavior we would deem immoral, such as human sacrifice and war. Those who took Cultural Anthropology or Sociology in college will have read and learned more about those concepts. And then there are the physical and other Laws of Nature we’re all subjected to that drive behaviors. For example, how did different societies learn they needed to expand their gene pool in order to avoid defects caused by inbreeding and what did they do about it? That’s something very few modern societies think about, but the behavior invented to solve the problem–war and the kidnapping of peoples from other societies–is still with us in very negative ways. What was once a useful norm is now a destructive deviance. 
  

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 5 2026 22:53 utc | 73

munze | Aug 5 2026 22:53 utc | 72
 
Thanks for your reply and query. There’re connections in the tenets espoused, but how they came into being was very different. The UDHR was an international collaboration ushered into being by the efforts of Eleanor Rossevelt and her colleagues. It was a deliberate deliberation and not exclusively an outcome of WW2, unlike the UN Charter. Despite the renown of its primary champion, the US Senate refused to ratify it and continues not to do so despite ratifying some of its codicils. Treaties under the US Constitution upon ratification become integrated into the fabric of America’s Law of the Land, and the Senate was very wary to do that having already greatly added to US law with its ratification of the UN Charter, which as I explained earlier the US would immediately break and thus become the international outlaw state it is today.   

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 5 2026 23:12 utc | 74

@jonboinAR | Aug 5 2026 22:44 utc | 70
 
that technology is advancing at such a rate that say, 7 or 8 years after you’ve bought your car, when you needed to replace the battery in it, that battery would no longer be made
 
You are really answering what is implicit in your question. In the ‘new’ large car owning states (like China) 7 or 8 years is likely to be the absolute limit they keep the car, especially if it is a form of EV. Europe will be the same. I have read recently that cars are being written off because, in one example: a 5 year old model has a dedicated display screen with a custom GUI (that operates all the auxiliary functions heating/aircon/media etc), which has developed a fault, and this is no longer in production. Never mind the batteries.

Posted by: Raumati | Aug 5 2026 23:26 utc | 75

Important to mention that all politicians , whether Imperial , or Islamic, or in family or company politics, will always use spying or intrusive invasion of your privacy through records Unseen by you, as a first point of collective leverage. 
 
There is a record about your private life which is shared by all of these political institutions, through solicitors or police, or secret police , which you yourself have no access to.
 
The narrative assembled by those who want power over you has nothing to do with you , your life, your beliefs, values or principles.
 
Therefore , the only person you can actually trust is God. Everyone else wants to project vile things they are ashamed about themselves onto you, in order to control your life.
 
If you are male, your mother will project things she hates about men onto you.
If you are white, non-whites will project things they don’t like about whites onto you.
Etc.
Life’s too short to fight against this insanity. 
 
The Palestinian being despised by the Talmudic Jew cannot spare the mental energy to care about the Talmudists mental illness.
 
But anybody who has worked in an office understands that  the daily poisonous , institutional put-downs cannot be usefully challenged. You will be sacked if you do.
 
And in the context of World Politics, when entire West was playing dumb about Russian concerns about USUKIS broken promises about Expansion towards Russia’s borders, 
the Russians promised that Nato would one day capitulate, and Nato is now capitulating,  3 million Russian and Ukrainian deaths after Nato politicians playing dumb.
 
That’s 3 million deaths written by Allah against BoJo’s book of deeds. 
Another 3 million deaths written by Allah against Netanyahu.
 
One can only wish them luck in the Court of Allah, when these politicians failed to achieve anything they wanted to achieve, but  they have single handedly brought eternal damnation in the Fire of Hell to their own stupid eternal souls.
 
Leave them to it.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 5 2026 23:37 utc | 76

Excuse my ignorance but I really don’t know .  Is there any connection between Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the French Revolution and its 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen?
 
Posted by: munze | Aug 5 2026 22:53 utc | 72
 

The French were Johnny-come-late to the declaration of rights … go back to the 1698 English Bill of Rights which was their response after the Glorious Revolution of 1688.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689
 
It might also be fair to point out that the English at that time did at least strive to deliver on the ideas of John Locke … although not fully egalitarian, they managed to strike a balance between the Meritocracy ideas of Cromwell and the traditional Aristocratic ruling class. On the other hand the French were great on the theory of universal rights, but in practice they went through a series of military dictatorships, wars in every direction, mass conscription, and really when you think about it, France has never again been able to rise up to world prominence they way they were before the revolution. France used to be the very center of art, science, and prestige … but it’s far from that today.

Posted by: Tel | Aug 5 2026 23:44 utc | 77

The problem with the West’s “morality” is (1) the unbearable hypocrisy of double standards (2) assuming the Global South would be too dumb to see it and too scared to point out.
 
So, here we are :

  • perpetrating the war crimes of war crimes : initiating a war of agression (Iran)
  • crying crocodile tears for a genocide while praising, financing and helping another one (Gaza)
  • bombing an embassy in Yougoslavia
  • attacking a country during peace negotiations
  • bombing a school, hospitals, non-military targets
  • shouting out loud about foreign interferences while having a heavy record of doing the same
  • etc

At that level, it is not even double standards : it looks like one part of the Anglo brain (the latin/Greek/French one that finds life is good) is not talking to the other part (the German part that wants to commit suicide).

Posted by: Asian Frog | Aug 5 2026 23:55 utc | 78

Hypocrisy : “The West is lucky : each time it brings democracy, it finds oil”.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Aug 5 2026 23:59 utc | 79

Both are subject to “The Bullshit Asymmetry Principle”  regarding oppression and racism, e.g. The Gaza and Central Africa.
 

Posted by: Menz | Aug 6 2026 0:16 utc | 80

@Tel | Aug 5 2026 23:44 utc | 77

  • The French were Johnny-come-late to the declaration of rights … go back to the 1698 English Bill of Rights

Thank you for the tips. History is quite exciting, I can always learn something.

  • It also listed individual rights, including the prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment and the right not to pay taxes levied without the approval of Parliament.

 

  • However, with the advantage of the growth in printed pamphlets and support of the City of London, it was able to temper some of the executive excess, intrigue and largesse of the government, especially the Cabal ministry who signed a Secret Treaty of Dover that allied England to France in a prospective war against oft-allies the Dutch Republic.

 

Posted by: munze | Aug 6 2026 0:42 utc | 81

Former Chief of German Military Harald Kujat who was on Chief Staff Committee of NATO and in both the NATO-Ukraine and NATO-Russia committees in the 1990s speaks to Norwegian Prof of International Relations Glenn Diesen. 
He reveals the hypocrisy and double dealings of The West and alludes to this idea of moral superiority. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ-pWvv–FM&pp=ugUEEgJlbg%3D%3D&ra=m 
Good counter point for anyone still stuck in MSM Matrix of “Putin’s unprovoked aggression”.
 

Posted by: PJB | Aug 6 2026 0:44 utc | 82

This is a completely wrong thesis that mixes propaganda and actual geopolitics.

The “moral” West is the most immoral in the history of mankind: it sides with nazis in Ukraine, it makes bloody coups with fascists, it sides with terrorists in Syria and in many other places, and it sides with colonialism and even ethnic cleansing and GENOCIDE.

On the other side, the entire Russian justification for intervention in Ukraine is MORAL:
– Russia is fighting agains nazis;
– Russia is defending morals and Christian valies in the face of immorality and godless beliefs;
– Russia wants peace, and intervenes to safe Donbass and Crimea, while the nazis and NATO attack those people sinde 2014 and want more war;

In the end, they all behave exclusively based on interests and geopolitical moves.
It’s just the political justifications repeated to create consent in the public that change.

Russia was in Syria siding with muslims to… “defend Christianity”?
No.
Russia was there to help an ally government and use that chance as training ground for its military.
The most pragmatic thing to do, to respect the will of the Syrian majority, would be to side with the ones that wanted the dictator Assad gone. Yet, Russia never did that.
It seems Russia didn’t respect who the Syrians are.

The West is in Syria to defend values like freedom and democracy and human rights?
No.
The Western interference in Syria was NOT moral at all.
USA, UK, France, Turkey, “israel”, and also rhe rest of NATO/EU sided with al-Qaeda and ISIS terrorists, gave them weapons, helped them steal Syria’s oil, provoked and aggravated poverty and famine with their sanctions, and did all this for mere imperial/colonial goals that temporarily align:
– USA wanted a free path to bombard Iran;
– israel wants to invade more land;
– Turkey wants to reinforce ita regional power, some sort of Neo-Ottomanism;
– and the rest of EU/NATO were just happy to do anything to try to hurt Russia and Iran;

As for the “rules based world order”, it is what it always was: rules don’t apply to the strong.
That’s an innately human problem. It will never be solved by the Homo Sapiens species.

Nd finally, the Russian alleged “conclusion” that the Soviet moral approach “failed” is just propaganda by the Capitalists in power in Moscow.
USSR’s moral interventions are the main reason why Russia has any friends in Africa and South America and Asia. Russia nowadays still benefits from all those Soviet SUCCESSES. And the liberated people in those independent countries also remember who they have to thank for.

In the end, all powers deal with pragmatism, independently of their public intentions being “benign” or “malign”, depending on which propaganda you read.

Again, Syria is the most obvious example for this:

– on one day, Russia is supporting Assas and bombarding al-Qaeda (aka HTS) terrorists.
On the next day, Russia forgets about Assad and is making deals with the HTS leader.

– on one day, USA/NATO is helping the Kurds fight against ISIS.
On the next day, USA no longer needs the Kurds, so it givea the green light for Turkey to kill them, and also supports the HTS leader that frees ISIS terorrists and goes on killing sprees (massacres) against the Kurds.

– Hezbollah sided with Assad.
Now Hezbollah is ready to negotiate with al-Sharaa.

– the Kurds fought ISIS.
Now the Kurds are making deals to integrate the exact same forces, under al-Qaeda/HTS rule, that also integrated those ISIS militants.

Long story short, one thing is the propaganda and public speeches. Another thing is the actual behaviour.
There has never been a separation between “pragmatism vs morality” between the Russian leadership and the West respectively.
Only the propaganda changes.

In one moment Russia talks about “defending Christian values”, the next moment it is striking deals with Talibans…

In one moment the West talks aboit “human rights”, the next moment it is siding with nazis and terrorists and genocidal pigs…

And the “rules” are just anothet layer for the propaganda and public speeches.
The rules don’t matter.
The only thing that matters is how successfully the consent was created to violate those rules, and how much power (money and military strength) a country has to do what it wants.

Example:
– USA wanted to hurt China and Cuba, cut their energy imports;
– USA needed to steal/control Venezuelan oil;
– all USA wants to do is illegal, and the citizens don’t agree;
– so the Western propaganda created consent: it called Venezuela a “dictatorship”, it calles the West “democratic” and “well intended”, and invented a narrative about “narco-terrorists”.
– USA made aggression against Venezuela, took its oil, hurt China and Cuba, bombarded fishermen, and now the western mainstream media no longer cares about Venezuela, because the goals were achieved.

On the other side, China and Russia kept talking about the rules and about what’s right, and about the moral need to defend their independent ally.
They didn’t.
They didn’t have the power to do that.
They failed both morally and pragmatically. They lost an ally.

And now the Russian propaganda channels are in damage control mode, saying all the bads things they can say to “explain” this defeat as “not their fault”. Delcy Rodriguez is a traitor, a sellout.
And then, in a clown move on top of all of this, Russia sent ONE oil tanker to Cuba because of its moral obligation towards that ally. And that’s it.

The navy drills that Russia and China did in the Caribbean waters was a bluff, and USA unmasked it.

It’s all about power, finantial, military, and in narrative control in the media.
USA, unfortunately, still has it all.
Russia and China don’t, not even to properly defend themselves, let alone their allies at such far distances.

On the other hand, Russia and China are avoiding any over-extension, while USA is condemning itself to it.

Lets see who wins in the long term, the ones constantly distributing punches in all directions, or the ones merely doing their best to absorb the punches WITHOUT punching back.

In my opinion, it is a mistake for Russia and China to still tolerate “israel” and let Iran almost alone. The USA armada should have been sunk, and its military bases vaporized, with Russian and Chinese weapons fired directly by Russia and China.

Because, if power decides all, then looking weak is not a good strategy.
On top of that, the constant meetings between China and USA, and between Russia and USA, are a signal of stupidity.
USA wants to destroy Russia and China. Hand shaking the Washington DC emperor, be it in Beijing or Alaska, isn’t just total pragmatism and absence of morality in geopolitical relations, it is stupidity.

Still, not as stupid as Iran needing to suffer so many bombardments (during “ceasefires” and diplomatic talks) to finaly realize it can NOT negotiate with USA and can NOT put a so called religious anti-nuclear morality above the need to develop its nuclear military deterrence.

Which brings the question: why didn’t Russia nor China even dared to use their veto to stop the UNSC resolution that condemned… Iran, for resisting and counterattacking against USA military bases in the region?
It was neither moral nor pragmatic. It was immoral and stupid and a shot in the foot.

So, yeah, stupidity and mistakes are also a part of it.
Pragmatism and power are the essential.
Morality is just propaganda.
And this applies to all sides.

Except for Cuba. The revolutionary anti-fascist anti-imperialist Cuban project, is the only in the world that really puts morality and decency first, and isn’t even pragmatic enough for its own good.

The failure of Cuba, if USA decides to impose a final aggression and regime change, will not be a failure of Cuba.
It will be a failure of the whole mankind.

The exact same mankind that failed Palestine and so many other victims of evil.

Which reminds me: most of the currenr Russian propaganda that is based on moral superiority, is on Victory Day, May 9, and that’s thanks to the SOVIET success against nazism.
And yet, from 2014 to 2022, that anti-nazi morality didn’t make Russia do anything in Ukraine, not even be pragmatic enough to recognise the Donbass independence nor push for more referendums at a time when most Eastern Ukraine was much more pro-Russian than it is now.

The exact same Russian propaganda agents that justified that inaction with “pragmatism”, have since 2022 spent their days justifying the SMO with morality.

As I said, words are one thing, “morality” (except in the case of Cuba) is just propaganda, the “rules” are just for the strong to more easily control the weak without the need for confrontation, actions are always pragmatic, inaction is most of the times just stupidity or negligence, and all that matters is power.

If there is a country in the world that really understands all this, that country is North Korea.
And if there is a people that is completely unaware of all of this, that is the European people living in NATO countries.

If there is a side that is pure evil, that is israel, taking the place that was once occupied by Nazi Germany.
And if there is a country that represents decency, that country is Cuba.

Russia, USA, and China, are just entertained with The Game of geopolitical Thrones, each doing what their respective power allows them to do, each with their own virtues and flaws, and each with their own “moral” propaganda to create consent for their actions, or damage control their mistakes.

Through the ages, the only thing thst changes are the names of the countries and religions. All the problems remain the same, since their are inherent to the faulty and very far from perfect human nature.

Except for Cuba and “israel”. There’s something different, in a good way, in the revolutionary Cuban people. And there’s something different, in a very bad way, in the genocidal zionist people.

This is just another proof that we can’t all belong to the same “human race”. I hate that dishonest expression. Humans (Homo Sapiens) are a species, not a race. There are many races, and some are better than other. I’m not being racist, I’m just acknowledging facts.
A cute and friendly dog race is nowadays a success. We don’t want savage wolves in our homes.
Unfortunately, in nature, goodness doesn’t always win. The cute pandas were almost extinct. The venomous snakes are everywhere…
And that, unfortunately, seems to also apply to a technologically developed humankind.

The one that is peaceful and sends doctors to help the people in need, face poverty and risk starvation because of an external blockade.

The ones that commit war crimes against humanity, includinf usinf nuclear weapons against civilians and committing genocide, get rich and establish an empire.

We should be better!!!

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 6 2026 0:53 utc | 84

Sure, it only makes sense that countries should treat other countries as they are.  The moral principles are  “non-interference” and “respect for local sovereignty.”
But I don’t think this explains the failure of the Soviet Union.  It was sunk by the success of western interference and propaganda.
Gorbachev was fooled into believing in neoliberalism.  Neoliberalism frees finance (ie existing wealthy people) and enslaves people to it (them).
Communist parties around the world could not accept this model.  China has the better model, and closer to Lenin’s “Commanding Heights.”
Gorbachev’s weakness became the opening for a US Puppet, Yeltsin, to finish the job.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Aug 6 2026 1:07 utc | 85

The US/UK and Occupied Lod continue to support a Jihadi headchopper in Damascus, a regime which continues to slaughter Christian and Alawite villagers in Western Syria.
 
And our US taxdollars continue to support this outrage……….actively supporting ISIS terrorism……..just amazing!

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 6 2026 1:09 utc | 86

Oldest propaganda in the world:
Our leader is good and just, their leader is a despot and dictator
Our religion is moral and forgiving, theirs is evil and punishing.
Our laws are fair and kind, theirs are harsh and restrictive.
Our military is strong and well trained, theirs is haphazard and weak.
Our weapons are advanced and unbeatable, theirs are outdated and indescriminate.
Our actions are humanitarian and legal, theirs are viscous and illegal…
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.
.
 
And even after thousands of years most people still fall for it every time.
 

Posted by: eps | Aug 6 2026 1:14 utc | 87

The comment section proving once again that “anti-colonial” is code for “anti-white”.
 
Posted by: catdog | Aug 5 2026 21:57 utc | 65
Surprise!  The Zio Imperialist gimp wants a race war, not a class war.  
 

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 6 2026 1:14 utc | 88

Many Americans are sick and tired of the endless war madness that the neo con alliance of Reps and Dems constantly engage in.
 
DJT ran on a platform disparaging the Iraq and Afghan wars as endless, wasteful and naive, and yet here he is ten years later engaged in the exact same conduct, an endless and massively expensive war on behalf of a genocidal regime occupying Palestine, and supporting a Nazi regime in Kieve.
 
Its now about power, power projection and hubris……..a dangerous combination.
 
And you wonder why MAGA operatives like Carlson, Green, Massie and others are in revolt?  Secretly supported by JD?

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 6 2026 1:26 utc | 89

  • ¿Cómo es posible que Bitcoin “consuma demasiada energía en todo el mundo” y al mismo tiempo “no esté respaldado por nada”?

El Bitcoin es la mayor estupidez de todos los tiempos. Mas que los derivados. 
Pero la especulacion deja dinero. 

Posted by: Manuel Verdugo | Aug 6 2026 1:55 utc | 90

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 6 2026 0:53 utc | 84
I am moved to emerge from the shadows and say what a poignant and substantial post.
Thank you for the massive effort it must have took.

Posted by: simon crow | Aug 6 2026 2:08 utc | 91

Posted by: bevin | Aug 5 2026 19:53 utc | 38
 
Good to hear your voice Bevin. I’ve missed your comments, but then I drop by less frequently these days. Hope you’re well.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 6 2026 2:23 utc | 92

Posted by: Otto Penn | Aug 5 2026 20:53 utc | 54
 
And there you have it. Rather than acknowledge that it’s vulgar and ignorant people double down on the vulgarity and ignorance. But ‘real’ Greeks don’t confuse sigma and epsilon: it would make their language unintelligible.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 6 2026 2:27 utc | 93

@ Patroklos | Aug 6 2026 2:27 utc | 98
 
I’m reminded of a ‘60s movie whose title wax typographically represented as “The Яussians Are Coming, The Яussians Are Coming.”
 
Cute, silly, but not nearly as offensive as derailing a thread with irrelevant posts about bitcoin.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 6 2026 3:07 utc | 94

 
Gideon Polya: Official Gaza Genocide Toll Is Way Too Low
 
 
It’s actually closer to a million
 
https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/gideon-polya-official-gaza-genocide-toll-is-way-too-low/

Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2026 3:43 utc | 95

Israeli Settler Lawyer Says One Jewish Life Worth 10 Million Palestinian Lives
 
(excerpt)…,,The BBC recently interviewed an Israeli settler who said that all the Palestinians in four surrounding villages should be exterminated to avenge an Israeli who was killed while terrorizing a Palestinian village last month, adding that just a single Jewish life is worth ten million Palestinian lives…….
https://www.unz.com/proberts/jewish-lawyer-says-one-jewish-life-worth-10-million-palestinian-lives/

Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2026 3:46 utc | 96

Carlos Marques 84
 
‘– the Kurds fought ISIS.
Now the Kurds are making deals to integrate the exact same forces, under al-Qaeda/HTS rule, that also integrated those ISIS militants.,’
Masrour Barzani , who visited  Jewlani this week , is the son of Ma’soud  Barzani whose  blah blah rhetoric to the world was opposing terrorism and supporting the Yazidis, actually orchestrated the Daesh attack on the Yazidis after disarming them.
 
Jewlani is another Zionist proxy and did the same to the Alawites. This is 100% Islamist behaviour, based on eradicating non-Muslims.  
 
The Daesh at the time were fighting Muslim forces of the Pershmerga Army and scaring the Kurds out of their minds.
The leadership of an these GCC countries are all with Mossad and USUKIS. while the majority of the population are Salafi and were and still are totally opposed to Assad and his torture Prisons. 
 
Journalists are swiftly eradicated in Iraqi Kurdistan,  but you cut your clothes to suit your cloth.  You support the terrorists who kill the Alawite persecutors, and you have to put up with their terrorism when it is directed against your human rights journalists or you.
 
A system which is a thousand times better than British Hypocrisy, where the top lawyer in Britain was unable after one-year of genocide in Gaza to see any genocide taking place there.
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 6 2026 3:55 utc | 97

adding that just a single Jewish life is worth ten million Palestinian lives…….
 
Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2026 3:46 utc | 101

 
Soon Britons will be required to believe this, and expressions to the contrary will be punishable with prison sentences.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 6 2026 4:04 utc | 98

Carlos M is very fine intellectual and he just loves communism.  I just don’t think that his ideological communism is a very effective way of convincing anyone these days.  Oh well.  Keeo trying.

Posted by: My big butt | Aug 6 2026 4:13 utc | 99

The Jews are the enemy of mankind. All of them:
 

Emails show UN official repeatedly shared confidential information with Israeli diplomats 
 
Leaked emails appear to show that Yahav Lichner, a UN official who now heads UNICEF’s Washington office, repeatedly supplied Israeli diplomats with confidential UN documents, private meeting accounts, and information about internal deliberations during 2014 and 2015.
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 6 2026 4:13 utc | 100

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