Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 7, 2026
Why A U.S. Wealth Tax Is Needed

I find this more than disturbing:

  • The average (mean) of wealth per adult in the U.S. (2025) is US$ 696,777.
  • The median (half have more, half have less) of wealth per adult in the U.S. (2025) is US$ 68,998.

Interpretation: There are a small number of very, very rich people and a big mass of relatively poor ones.

This is not healthy.

The difference is, compared to other countries, extremely stark.

For France the numbers are 341,359 average to 121,898 median.
For the UK the numbers are 292,808 average to 125,335 median.


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Source: USB Global Wealth Report 2026 (pdf)

The U.S. will need some kind of wealth tax to level this out.

Comments

When President Kennedy was assassinated, why did the US not respond as Iran has done?  Perhaps we were too well off; we didn’t realize what we were losing at that time.
 
Posted by: juliania | Jul 7 2026 23:03 utc | 189
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Regarding just that very small point in your post, I’d say the reason we didn’t respond that way was because we didn’t know who killed the president.
 
Oh, sure, we “knew” it was the “lone gunman” because that’s what officialdom and the press told us. But even in those early days there was a lot of doubt about this: I remember my dad reading Mark Lane’s books which concluded that Oswald was just a patsy. (I’d say we still don’t know who killed JFK, though my money would be squarely on the CIA with the assistance of the Mob.)
 
So we didn’t even know why he was killed. Hard to act decisively in that case.
 
Quite different from the recent “decapitation” of the Iranian leadership, where it was plain as day who was responsible, and why.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 7 2026 23:52 utc | 201

Keme | Jul 7 2026 23:11 utc | 195
*** Mises and Freidman’s support for universal basic income (ubi) will be implemented as a bare minimum income to keep the proletariat fed, and maybe housed. To me, a model based on the Speenhamland system.  ***
 
Fear that is so …. but most of their supporters would prefer to not allow even that.
 
The sort who would probably have opposed the ‘southern’ US type of slavery — but only because it was so “socialist” it involved slaves being housed and fed.
 
Nowadays, thanks to endless immigration, the wealth-extractive neoliberal system could keep itself and its masters going for a long time yet …. and by the time it did finally implode, these Oligarchic masters would have long since buggered off to perpetual luxury in their heavily-defended enclaves somewhere else.
 
 

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 8 2026 0:14 utc | 202

The “advantage “ of this system is you don’t “waste” limited resources on the masses. 
thar us the main issue.think about it. 
considee that resources might be running thin.

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 8 2026 0:14 utc | 203

A revolution in our affairs is necessary,  although we’d be on different factions.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 7 2026 22:16 utc | 175
 
 
 
Revolution first, fight amongst ourselves over differences later.  Very likely dividing up the US into 2 pieces might be needed.  Then again, if the fight lasts a long time cultural issues might be dealt with gradually.

Posted by: Woke American | Jul 8 2026 0:14 utc | 204

Revolution first, fight amongst ourselves over differences later.  Very likely dividing up the US into 2 pieces might be needed.
 
Posted by: Woke American | Jul 8 2026 0:14 utc | 203
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Bioregions!

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 8 2026 0:37 utc | 205

Who killed JFK ?
 
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-ii-who-did-it/

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2026 0:43 utc | 206

Who killed JFK ? https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-jfk-assassination-part-ii-who-did-it/
 
Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2026 0:43 utc | 205
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Sorry, wouldn’t trust Ron Unz as far as I can throw him.
(And not because “muh anti-Semitism”,)
Not even sure what side he would be on here.
 
But do keep trying.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 8 2026 1:09 utc | 207

Keme | Jul 7 2026 23:00 utc | 187
 
Hunger has never been ended in the USA.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2026 1:12 utc | 208

It will take 10 minutes to re-characterize assets to scope them out of your proposed definition of wealth or move them. 
If the goal is to improve our society, there is no point in trying to increase government coffers without first rearranging its priorities. 

Posted by: CallSaul | Jul 8 2026 1:21 utc | 209

Posted by: juliania | Jul 7 2026 21:47 utc | 164 …..  I believe the first step will be a change of leadership — how that will happen is up to the people, but only that way can the forces presently controlling the US be faced and shaken….. Ok. but after the shake down what is the proper form of government.. ?   I believe form structure and assignment of functions to those forms and structures are the answer.. Government should be looked at as a service to those it governs.  You don’t hire a leader and let him or her chose her good buddies to take the highest offices.. You hire an organization to replace the existing organization.  You contract with that organization to achieve certain goals in a fixed time period. You authorize that organization to exercise certain authority and you prohibit that organization from crossing lines (like the contract ends if the organization violates anyone’s human rights).The governed make the rules, and those who are chosen to govern follow them.. Never — ever — should the people who govern be allowed to make the rules..or interpret the meaning of contract clauses..  or be responsible to prosecute those who violate the laws.  Yes, they should operate the prisons, but the masses should be responsible for deciding who should be in the prisons (amendment VI to the US constitution for example).
 
Then to your next point <=leadership.. I think choosing a leader and relying on that SOB to do what is expected of him or her has led the world into a divided we (<=the Epstein class) vs they (<=the bottom up masses) world.   
 
Todays government led nation state organization is like a baseball ball game where in one side makes and changes the rules as the game as the game is being played.. and the other side is forced to play by the rules often not even knowing a rule has been made, changed or dropped.

Posted by: snake | Jul 8 2026 1:25 utc | 210

If you want to see how effective higher tax rates are at improving quality of life, visit Philadelphia, NYC, Bridgeport CT, Columbus, and Louisville KY. Somehow the most taxed cities (including state income tax) are all shitholes. 

Posted by: CallSaul | Jul 8 2026 1:36 utc | 211

The tax system is designed for the wealthy to evade, if it wasn’t then why does every modification or new rule change nothing? Wealth transfer is underway and no one in power is interested in stopping that, the politicians also benefit from the wealthy’s largess. Numerous billionaires including Bezos and Musk have zero tax years, multinational companies in many locales pay no tax as it is transferred out to tax havens. Tax is for the commoners, if a wealth tax is introduced it will be deliberately full of loopholes, in fact often the large international accounting firms are the very ones who write the legislation.
 
Marxism is rarely a solution as an oppressive regime friendly to oligarchs gets replaced by an oppressive regime friendly to oligarchs, communism in the past failed as a corrupt bureaucracy was replaced by a corrupt bureaucracy, they can only maintain power via a gun and extreme oppression. China too was like that, they appear to have moved on, it though is still ongoing.

Posted by: Organic | Jul 8 2026 1:53 utc | 212

Revolution first, fight amongst ourselves over differences later. Very likely dividing up the US into 2 pieces might be needed.
 
Posted by: Woke American | Jul 8 2026 0:14 utc | 203
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Bioregions!
 
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 8 2026 0:37 utc | 204

I’d be daft to let a communist faction gain the necessary strength to gain half.  My preference is to crush the commies first, then take out the exiting hierarchy. Im not sure what bioregions are, but good old fashioned geopolitics will suffice. 

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 8 2026 1:56 utc | 213

My preference is to crush the commies first
 
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 8 2026 1:56 utc | 213

 
That ought to be easy enough; American communists number in the tens of thousands and are thus hardly worth the trouble.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 8 2026 2:01 utc | 214

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jul 8 2026 1:12 utc | 183 (iran thread)
 
This comment is very relevant because i think it in part explains why the USA cannot recover and is doomed to become a chaotic mess as the empire fades.
 
The USA society is fundamentally individualistic ie ME first and not sympathetic to collective effort. The cowboy culture and the love  for “entrepreneurs” is socially opposed to the sort of collective giving that is noticeable in Iran and in many other cultures.  The deep racial divides does not help, nor for the very obvious way many despise “losers.”  While capitalism began in Europe it met its height in the USA where the culture was so deeply supportive of a profit driven culture.
 
In Europe (or at least in the UK) the idea of “noblesse oblige” mitigated to some extent the worst of the greed culture. In China the family plays a major role in helping other members and this also gives a more community focused spirit.
 
Trade Unions once helped to mitigate the “me first” culture but as in Australia they have been destroyed. Religion especially the Methodists also helped but I suspect this too is now weak. The car culture has broken up communities so even that is not a pressure for any form of collective effort.
 
I will probably not live to see it but i expect a violent and serious social dissolution in the USA as dog eats dog is the norm. feudalism along the lines of Latin American “haciendas” is the future I predict, along with mass murder of the poor and homeless.
 
Perhaps i am wrong, an it is up to those of you who do live in the USA to convince me why i am wrong. Show me where a collective spirit may arise strong enough to steer the nation back towards civilization.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 8 2026 2:10 utc | 215

Perhaps i am wrong, an it is up to those of you who do live in the USA to convince me why i am wrong. Show me where a collective spirit may arise strong enough to steer the nation back towards civilization.
 
Posted by: watcher | Jul 8 2026 2:10 utc | 214
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I live here (in the Untied Snakes of Aggression), have always lived here, and see absolutely no sign of any such collective spirit, not now nor in the near future.
 
There’s always hopium, though …

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 8 2026 2:21 utc | 216

We’re sleepwalking towards Armageddon.
 
We’re fucked.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 8 2026 2:23 utc | 217

How dare anyone interfere in 250 years of Americans primary Liberty: their Property Rights! 
 
God and Jesus ordained we righteous ones would all become filthy rich by serving the Lord.
Now go wash your filthy mouths out with soap. 

Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 2:29 utc | 218

My preference is to crush the commies first Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 8 2026 1:56 utc | 213
 
Do you do battle with Haunted Houses full of Ghosts too? 

Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 2:31 utc | 219

‘When President Kennedy was assassinated, why did the US not respond as Iran has done? Perhaps we were too well off; we didn’t realize what we were losing at that time.’ – juliania 189

Hi Juliana. I both read and enjoy your posts even though I don’t engage. I appreciate your knowledge of and thoughts on the lost art of Christianity.

I believe the simple answer to your question is JFK hadn’t yet gained enough control back from the Zionists.

He was working with McCone to bypass the thoroughly Zionized Jesus Angleton [some Mossad guy once remarked of Angleton ‘he’s more Jewish than us’].

The word went out right away to Bill Moyers to make sure the official story was the only one that received any attention.

This is around the time they introduced the term ‘conspiracy theory’.

Moyers was LBJ’s intellectual ‘henchman’ going back years.

They were very very close and Moyers served as a liason between Johsnon (himself thoroughly Zionized…see Mathilde Krum for starters) and JFK and thus was privvy to whatever JFK told him although JFK certainly didn’t trust him knowing how close he was to Johnson.

https://www.lbjlibrary.org/news-and-press/press-releases/bill-moyers-legacy

Kennedy despised Johnson (and vice versa) and was going to get rid of him when he won a second term.

Theirs was simply a marriage of convenience for money and votes.

Bill Garrison blamed it on the CIA:

https://www.kennedysandking.com/articles/garrison-interview-some-unauthorized-comments-on-the-state-of-the-union-may-27-1969

The CIA and other hands were certainly involved but who was at the top of the hierarchy within which everything else might ultimately be said to be contained?:

https://odysee.com/@AvaWolfe:d/MCP-Mossad-Connection-to-JFK-Conspiracy:0

This is why JFK wanted to break up the CIA and was using John McCone to do it.

FDR also hated the Kennedys and vice versa.and Johnson was in many ways an extension of the Zionist FDR.

I was looking for a specific article that really illustrated how much FDR hated Joe Kennedy but I cannot find it.

There is a lot of information on this subject from many sources ‘on all sides’ but basically Johnson was much more in the former FDR camp which, again, was totally Zionist.

This isn’t what I was looking for but it’s from the same site and it’s a decently informative back-and-forth on the subject:

https://www.jfklibrary.org/events-and-awards/kennedy-library-forums/browse-all-forums/transcripts/dallek-on-kennedy

JFK of course famously said ‘Ask not what your country can do you for you…’ perhaps indicating a turn from the FDR-like atmosphere.

JFK did lower the overall tax rate across the board on individuals and corps but it was still a very ‘progressive’ tax rate.

And JFK wasn’t coldly ideologically opposed to the basic welfare of the people as many are today with the rise of the universal neoliberal-neoconservative Reagan-Clintonism – which actually began under the Trilatral Carter admin.

Quite the oppsite in fact.

‘I think many Americans are feeling an economic pinch due to high prices, plus the fact that their wages have not kept pace with those prices.

John Kennedy, unlike Trump, was always sensitive to this issue.

This is why his tax cut, unlike Trump’s, was aimed at the middle and working classes.

As commentators like Tim Noah have stated, in that respect, JFK’s tax cut was Keynesian. That is, it was trying to stimulate demand by giving the mass of the public more disposable income. (The New Republic, 10/11/12)

Whereas Trump’s tax cuts, originating in 2017 and extended in 2025, proportionately favored the rich and corporations. Plus, the revenue losses were offset by those getting SNAP benefits and Medicaid. (CBS News, 7/3/26, story by Aimee Picchi and Megan Cerullo)…

…Bobby Kennedy thought it was ludicrous for the FBI to be using hundreds of agents to infiltrate the communist party in 1963. (David Talbot, Brothers, p. 7)

He would even joke about it; after all, half of their members were FBI agents.

In his book, Pragmatic Illusions, Bruce Miroff details how JFK was much more worried about the rise of the radical right than he was about any internal communist threat.

Harry Truman once said that any kind of program that benefits the public at large is somehow labeled as socialism, e.g., Social Security, Medicare and FHA Loans.

Whereas Kennedy, in championing universal health care, pointed out that the USA is the only Westernized country that did not have it.

Was JFK a communist?

Pretty wealthy one, I guess.’

Even Nixon was ‘Keynesian’ for goodness sake!

But they watergated Nixon out of there and, once again, there is a very Zionist angle to this in that Kissinger was essentially running the show at that point because Nixon was drinking a lot and not in good shape so Kissinger was able to steer foreign policy in favor of the genocidal entity who Nixon wasn’t particularly fond of.

This was vis-a-vis the ‘yom kippur war’ – yom kippur of course being the holiest jewish holiday.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded comment but I’ll end with Mr Garrison once again:

‘There has been no change of any kind in the power base in Washington.

There have been seeming changes, but the warfare machine and its extensive intelligence tentacles, domestic as well as foreign, remain untouched.

Congress is free to debate concerning daylight savings time, and the president is free to re-paint the rooms of the White House any color he chooses, but there is not likely to be any diminution in the power of the warrior chieftains and their allies in the government.

The President of the United States is a transient official in the regard of the warfare conglomerate. His assignment is to act as master of ceremonies in the awarding of posthumous medals, to serve when needed as a salesman for the military hardware manufacturers, and to speak as often as possible about the nation’s desire for peace.

He is not free to trespass on the preserve of the war interests nor even to acknowledge that such an organism exists.

He is not free because of the collective power to remove the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff nor the heads of the Central Intelligence Agency and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

He must re-appoint them because of their amazing efficiency.

That is his assignment in the game.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff used to be required to be replaced every two years. No such change has been made since November 22nd, 1963. Nor has there ever been any mention in the mass media of the curious end of what once was not merely custom but a requirement of law.

Apparently, like so much else that has happened since 1963, it is not newsworthy.

It must be understood that in the age of the Pax Americana, in the age of the eighty billion dollar a year military budget, control over foreign policy becomes the equivalent of control of the country.

The power to make foreign policy continues to be a fief held feudally by the war interests. This was the essential meaning of the assassination of President Kennedy; that this power which holds America in its grip will not tolerate interference with its control of American foreign policy, with its programs of foreign military adventure and over-reaction to supposed external threats.

The great injury done by the Warren Commission to this country was that it authenticated the transfer the foreign policy-making power from the representatives of the people to these autocratic interests.

It authenticated the conversion of the real government of the United States to an invisible government.’

https://www.kennedysandking.com/images/pdf/garrison-interview-05-27-1969-trans.pdf

And here we are.

Posted by: Agonizing Reappraisal | Jul 8 2026 2:32 utc | 220

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 7 2026 20:45 utc | 130
Bankers work? If stealing is work…I think they think it’s fun, not work. I wouldnt know.
 
I could a been Laura Loomer! “The communist collapse of NYC begins. Deport Mamdani!”
 
Back to depressing reality: Trump threatening Greenland cuz Putin and he want to destroy NATO.
 
No, not that BS. Iran. This Trump shitshow is a cheap distraction. 

Posted by: Duck n cover | Jul 8 2026 2:33 utc | 221

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 7 2026 20:45 utc | 130
Bankers work? If stealing is work…I think they think it’s fun, not work. I wouldnt know. I could a been Laura Loomer! “The communist collapse of NYC begins. Deport Mamdani!”
 
Posted by: Duck n cover | Jul 8 2026 2:33 utc | 220
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Well, OK then. Looks like I need to take my irony meter in for recalibration.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 8 2026 2:49 utc | 222

‘Bill Garrison blamed it on the CIA:

https://www.kennedysandking.com/articles/garrison-interview-some-unauthorized-comments-on-the-state-of-the-union-may-27-1969

The CIA and other hands were certainly involved but who was at the top of the hierarchy within which everything else might ultimately be said to be contained?:

https://odysee.com/@AvaWolfe:d/MCP-Mossad-Connection-to-JFK-Conspiracy:0

This is why JFK wanted to break up the CIA and was using John McCone to do it.’

A better way to say this is that the CIA was then and remains now a wholly-owned subsidary of Zionism (Jewish Supremacism) ‘intelligence’ and JFK wanted to return ‘intelligence’ to its properly limited role acting solely on behalf of our country (and limited even then) – not on behalf of the global financial parasites.

Posted by: Agonizing Reappraisal | Jul 8 2026 3:00 utc | 223

Dan A: We should also tax roads because road quality give cars value that isn’t due to the car owner’s effort.
 
Posted by: Norman French | Jul 7 2026 17:58 utc | 40
 
Moron who do you think paid the fuel tax that bought the roads?

Posted by: Screwdriver | Jul 8 2026 3:07 utc | 224

I will probably not live to see it but i expect a violent and serious social dissolution in the USA as dog eats dog is the norm. feudalism along the lines of Latin American “haciendas” is the future I predict, along with mass murder of the poor and homeless.
 
 Perhaps i am wrong, an it is up to those of you who do live in the USA to convince me why i am wrong. Show me where a collective spirit may arise strong enough to steer the nation back towards civilization.
 
 
Posted by: watcher | Jul 8 2026 2:10 utc | 214
 
 
 
A collective spirit will arise.  But not for another generation or two.  A poster said, paraphrasing, that before he would be willing to take on the Epstein Class, that his first priority is to kill all the US commies.  Allowing US commies to ever control even a small chunk of the US is just unacceptable to him.
 
This attitude is prevalent enough that the US will not be United for a long long time.  There will always be another enemy to fight before the big fight against the Epstein Class.

Posted by: Woke American | Jul 8 2026 3:19 utc | 225

More socialist, statist nonsense.
 
The US definitely does NOT need a wealth tax, which will only lead to an exit of capital.
 
As an example, look to the Peoples Republics of New York or California where a proposed wealth tax has already lead to an exit of wealth to low tax and free states like Florida and Texas.
 
Unless this country goes hard blue in November and then elects a socialist President (that event would ignite a second civil war), a nationwide wealth tax is not in the cards. 

Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 8 2026 3:25 utc | 226

In response to

 https://heininger.substack.com/p/phoenix-america-a-new-nation-rising
Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 7 2026 18:01 utc | 41

 
Good to read and old MoA barfly and thanks for the link which I finally made it through….let me share the end of it
 

We are at a pivotal point in human technological evolution. Automation, AI, and networked systems are transforming how value is created and who controls it. At the same time, the era of the Petro Dollar is ending, and with it the unchallenged financial dominance that has long papered over deep structural problems in the United States. Together, these forces point not toward gentle decline, but toward potential chaos and disaster if we do nothing more than manage the status quo.
This document—Phoenix America—is offered as a framework for being born anew in a positive way. It is not a legal draft and not a party platform. It is a proposed foundation: a set of principles and structures for a just, post‑capitalist United States that takes our technological reality seriously and refuses to organize society around domination and manufactured scarcity.
You are under no obligation to agree with all of it. Use any part of this work—as a source of planks, as a frame for speeches, as a provocation for your own platform, or simply as a lens to sharpen your critique of what exists now. If any of this resonates, steal it, reshape it, argue with it—but please do not ignore the moment. The old order is cracking. We still have a chance to choose what rises from the ruins.

 
The old order is under challenge and defeat by the China/Russia/Iran led axis of resistance.
As I wrote earlier and what Heininger notes above……”We still have a chance to choose what rises from the ruins.”
 
The defeat of the God Of Mammon cult by the China/Russia/Iran axis is going to be handed to the citizens of the West on a silver platter but I don’t see them preparing to recognize it is coming and take up the opportunity.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2026 3:33 utc | 227

them should be us/me….sigh

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2026 3:35 utc | 228

There is already a massive exit from NYC to low tax and free states as the Socialist/Communist Mayor Joker Mamdani has been enabled by the DSA controlled NYS legislature to enact a city wealth tax.  This know nothing has no work experience what so ever……a perfect wealthy dilente dabbling in governance as a hobby…….
 
Even as the crime situation in NYC and its transit system continues to be out of control (all part of the Communist game plan to control and freeze rents so property owners go bankrupt) as criminals and illegal aliens enjoy the welfare dole.
 
Its all part of the attack on free capital in favor of a Trokskyite system favored by the intellectual elite non producers – remeber only the little people have to work in socialist police state……….the Trokskyites rule from Gracey Mansion……..

Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 8 2026 3:35 utc | 229

The fact that out of the blue Trump started to whine about going after Communism on the 4th of July celebrations makes me think someone is whispering into his ears about the “leftists” and “socialists” within the Democratic Party will make inequality a talking point in the mid-terms, so he better start the red baiting now.  However I can’t believe anyone would seriously think the democrats would enact even token economic reforms, sure throw away another 5-6 billion on studying the effect of chicken farts on global carbon emissions.  But the democrats are have been campaigning on welfare cuts (I mean reform) for more than 30 years now

Posted by: Kadath | Jul 8 2026 3:51 utc | 230

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2026 3:35 utc | 227
 
Whether ‘them’ or ‘us, we’, psychohistorian,  that is a worthy thought.  I will just add:  the Russians did it.  I don’t think they had prepared, so there’s hope for the rest of us.  And thanks to your efforts here,  ‘we’ should know a little about what ‘we’ are in for.
 
I will just say this:  Robert Barnes said to Nima this morning that Vance when he visited Jerusalem did not go to the wailing wall but to the Orthodox church.  If I’m around and if he runs,  he might get my vote on the strength of that.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2026 4:06 utc | 231

……………MAX TAX RATE BY SELECTED YEARS………….. Yr………individual…Corporate…Estate……. Gift Yr………. income….Income……..Tax…………TaxYr………..tax rate….tax rate…….Rate……….Rate1950  …..91.0%……42.0%……..77.0%……30.0%…..1960  …..91.0%……52.0%……..77.0%……30.0%…..1970  …..70.0%……49.2%……..70.0%……32.0%…..1980  …..70.0%……46.0%……..70.0%……32.0%…..1990  …..31.0%*…..34.0%……..60.0%……60.0%…..2000  …..39.6%*…..35.0%…….60.0%……50.0%…..2010* …..35.0%……35.0%*……35.0%……35.0%…..2020  …..37.0%…….21.0%…….40.0%*…..40.0%……
Posted by: snake | Jul 7 2026 20:52 utc | 135
 
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Mr. Snake – you provide very useful information, but in a useless format. It is not that difficult to manually format data from a copy/paste process. Even an insect keeper who cannot distinguish between a rocket and a jet engine can manage with just two keys 🙂
 
                                 MAXIMUM TAX RATE BY SELECTED YEARS
 
Year      Individual                Corporate                 Estate Tax       Gift Yr
               Income Tax Rate    Income Tax Rate     Rate                  Tax Rate
1950       91.0%                            42.0%                               77.0%                  30.0%
1960       91.0%                            52.0%                               77.0%                  30.0%
1970       70.0%                            49.2%                               70.0%                 32.0%
1980       70.0%                            46.0%                               70.0%                 32.0%
1990       31.0%*                           34.0%                               60.0%                 60.0%
2000      39.6%*                          35.0%                                60.0%                 50.0%
2010*     35.0%                            35.0%*                              35.0%                  35.0%
2020       37.0%                            21.0%                                40.0%*                40.0%
 
It took 1 min 55s to format. You’re most welcome!
 

Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 8 2026 4:08 utc | 232

The people atop the heap will never look down again. 
 
You will not be able to convince the 10% consumer/asset-owning class to take a lesser lifestyle for the good of the country. That ship has sailed. 
 
And you will not be able to vote your way out of this because the elite know how to gatekeep the powerful and those growing into power positions whereby they can switch sides at the drop of the hat to protect their hold on the country’s levers of power. 
 
Thus, violence and collapse will only suffice to change the equity in a country but this only happens when the squeeze continues until a critical mass point is reached. 
 
Meanwhile, TPTB are doing everything they can to usher in a Brazillification of the west whereby cultural and ethnic tensions from a burgeoning multiculturalism keeps the heat off of them

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 8 2026 4:12 utc | 233

Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 8 2026 4:08 utc | 232
 
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… and then see that George has already done a much better job. Best I go back to my insects… 

Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 8 2026 4:16 utc | 234

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 7 2026 23:52 utc | 200
 
Thank you, George.  Although, I wasn’t thinking about  the who  and why at all.  Rather, I was thinking about the huge outpouring of participation of citizens in the funeral we are still witnessing.  A child is involved both times – the little son of JFK standing at the curb saluting.  The lovely little granddaughter of the Ayatollah in a brief film clip happily mouthing along with the song she was enjoying.  Both times, nonetheless, were historical, watershed, national occasions.
 
 

Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2026 4:29 utc | 235

Moron who do you think paid the fuel tax that bought the roads?
Screwdriver | Jul 8 2026 3:07 utc | 223
That whooshing sound was my point flying over your head.

Posted by: Norman French | Jul 8 2026 4:31 utc | 236

“For give them Father, for they know not what they do, or believe.” 
 
The Ancient Neolithic Communal Collectives of Ukraine’s 6,000-Year-Old Cities can teach us something real. 
 
The Cucuteni-Tripolye culture—non-hierarchical, egalitarian, and anarchic peoples of the Ukrainian and Moldovan steppe—created the largest cities in the world at the time, predating all known “civilizations and city-states.”
 
The biggest city currently known, Taljanky, extends over an area of 300 hectares, outspanning the earliest phases of the city of Uruk in southern Mesopotamia. These were not chaotic villages but extended communities, with populations estimated in the many thousands per mega-site, likely well over 10,000 in some cases. They flourished from roughly 4100 to 3300 BC—a span of eight centuries, considerably longer than most subsequent urban traditions.
 
Why were they there? Like the cities of Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley that came later, they were born of ecological opportunism during the middle Holocene. But this wasn’t about floodplains; it was about the legendary black earths (chernozem) north of the Black Sea, which made the lands between the Southern Bug and Dniepr Rivers a breadbasket. (This fertility is precisely why later Greek city-states established colonies there and enslaved the local populations—ancient Athens was largely fed by Black Sea grain.)
 
This way of life was by no means “simple.” The inhabitants managed orchards, gardens, livestock, and woodlands. They imported salt in bulk, extracted flint by the ton for tools, produced some of the finest ceramics of the prehistoric world, and received regular supplies of copper from the Balkans.
 
Here is the crucial point for those who equate complexity with hierarchy:  
A surplus was definitely produced, and with it ample potential for some to seize control, to lord it over others, or to battle for the spoils. Yet over eight centuries, we find little evidence for warfare or the rise of social elites. The true complexity of these mega-sites lies in the strategies they adopted to prevent such things.
 
The most informative case we know of is that of traditional Basque settlements in the Pyrénées-Atlantiques. These communities also imagine themselves in circular form, as a way of emphasizing the ideal equality of households and family units. It provides an excellent illustration of how such circular arrangements can form part of self-conscious egalitarian projects, in which “everyone has neighbours to the left and neighbours to the right. No one is first, and no one is last.”
 

In Honour of Their Humanity
I stand for them, and for their non-violent, egalitarian, communal way of life, their profound respect for all life. Their 800-year legacy stands in stark contrast to the fraudulent, war-mongering, greedy, selfish, destructive, and corrupt states that plague Europe, Asia, the Americas, and Africa today.
 
To the extreme elite, the tax-evading wealthy, and the self-proclaimed defenders of “civilization” who decry communism while hoarding wealth and immiserating all others: Your narrative is a lie.
 
True civilization is not about accumulation or domination; it is about community and mutual flourishing. The Cucuteni-Tripolye people demonstrated this millennia before your myths of kings and markets were ever written.
 
NYC landlords and all the Dark Triad Psychopaths (narcissistic, self-centered, thieving, genocidal-natured creeps) need not apply. Your current reign is not the pinnacle of progress; it is a regression from a more just, sustainable, and truly “civilized” past.
 
And, it is nearing it’s unstoppable end. 

Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 4:49 utc | 237

Re: how is Car Infrastructure funded ?
 
1) local streets and roads = mostly property taxes
 
2) Highways and Interstates = mostly income taxes with a significant addition from gas taxes. 
note – if gas taxes fully funded car infrasture, gasoline would cost ~$10/gallon

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2026 5:02 utc | 238

Julianna,
 
please confirm ….Vance when he visited Jerusalem did not go to the wailing wall but to the Orthodox church……
 
if true, then we will likely see Vance destroyed in regimist media

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2026 5:05 utc | 239

The US definitely does NOT need a wealth tax, which will only lead to an exit of capital.
 
Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 8 2026 3:25 utc | 225
 

 
Here you see a misunderstanding of how capital flows.
 
The simple truth somehow left unstated upthread is that the incredible unsustainable debt of the USA is the wealth of the Epstein Class.
 
Reprice that debt and the oligarchs vanish like vampires in sunlight.
 
A repricing event is inescapable.  Taxing Capital would probably lead to a gentler outcome than allowing market forces to unwind.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2026 5:05 utc | 240

Asian Tiger,
Thank you. 
indeed ; there are numerous examples over the ages of voluntary societies prospering. 
its inportatnt to point out that until Napoleon (the tyrant) arrived; gov‘t was tiny. Typically less than 3% of GDP was consumed by the gov‘t apparatus.  At 3% of GDP, the state is so tiny it hardly exists. 
in contrast, today’s gov‘t consume typically more than 40% of GDP. 

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2026 5:12 utc | 241

too scents,
 
how would the state tax charities such as The Clinton Foundation, Ron Lauders various Foundations, AIPAC, Schumer’s Family Charity, the Walton Foundation, and so forth ? 

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2026 5:16 utc | 242

Why were they there? Like the cities of Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley that came later, they were born of ecological opportunism during the middle Holocene.
 
Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 4:49 utc | 239
 

 
The introduction of Agriculture to human society has lead to bad outcomes.  Shorter lifespans, shorter people (stunted growth) and poorer health are clearly seen in the archeological/anthropological record.  It did however enable the development of large kingdoms and a powerful ruling elite. 
 
For millennia the trend has been that people have had to work longer to attain previous outcomes.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2026 5:19 utc | 243

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2026 3:33 utc | 226
 

 The old order is under challenge and defeat by the China/Russia/Iran led axis of resistance.As I wrote earlier and what Heininger notes above……”We still have a chance to choose what rises from the ruins.” The defeat of the God Of Mammon cult by the China/Russia/Iran axis is going to be handed to the citizens of the West on a silver platter but I don’t see them preparing to recognize it is coming and take up the opportunity.

Thank you for your reply psychohistorian and further thanks for reading it, your perhaps sadly the only one who has? There appears no doubt we’re heading for a reckoning and the more good ideas we can spread the better.  Conceivably with that silver platter we might avoid the bloody portion of a true revolution altogether. Seems to me both Russia and China are pointing humanity in that direction already, eh? I wish more barflies would give it a view, such as snake, or even malenkov? But heck I get it I too skip a passel of links, just to stay up with the reading here. However, I think Heininger’s done some amazing homework with his document for a far better charter, than what our american constitution purports to be. Good ideas, people can relate with can definitely spread faster than bullets, if given a proper chance. We the people need to be ready and willing, humanity is depending on us. 
 
 
Posted by: juliania | Jul 8 2026 4:06 utc | 231
 

Whether ‘them’ or ‘us, we’, psychohistorian,  that is a worthy thought.  I will just add:  the Russians did it.  I don’t think they had prepared, so there’s hope for the rest of us.  And thanks to your efforts here,  ‘we’ should know a little about what ‘we’ are in for.

I would hope you might read Heininger’s piece also juliania, so I might understand your personal views about what he’s written. The more the merrier, as the saying goes, but I would really like to read your insights from your particular perspective. Heininger’s substack even has a podcast of what’s written, if you may need to multitask? However, let me impart one last item. Don’t vote for Vance, he’s just another stepping stone in the wrong direction for humanity. 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 8 2026 5:27 utc | 244

In terms of MEDIAN, USA is already behind Portugal and only barely ahead of Greece, two European countries that were “bakrupt” due to the EUROzone (€) dictatorship crisis (i.e. victims of speculation in treasure bond/yield markets, and with the “central” bank, ECB, doing nothing under the orders lf the German fascists and their nordic friends…).

This humiliating result for USA says it all that needs to be said about the FAILURE that laissez-faire (Neoliberal) calitalism is, especially in a country (USA) without any decent public services nor welfare system.

Example: with the amount of an average university tuition in USA, you can travel to Spain, live there for 5 years, have your university degree, spend 5 summer vacations on the Mediterranean islands, travel back to USA, and still save some money.

And I’m not even going to talk about healthcare and other education levels and infrastructure and workers’ rights.

USA is a brutal fascist regime for ita own common citizens, and USatan for all those all over the world living in countries that refuse to obey to Washington DC’s imperialist pigs.

There is no reason for the USA regime to keep existing at all.
Especially since it is now clear for most of the world population that elections in USatan are a farce where ignorant and brainwashed people are given a “choice” between Red Hitler with “traditional values” or Blue Hitler with “progressive mindset”, and nothing else.

REGIME CHANGE!!!

It’s not Nicolás Maduro (a freely and democratically elected leader of a peaceful country) that should be in a prison in New York.
It’s all that Washington DC scum that should be in a prison in Caracas, or in Havana, or in Moscow, or in Tehran, or in Gaza, or in Beijing, etc!

There are only 2 types of people in the world.
The 1st type is well educated AND decent enough to understand what I just said.
The 2nd type is the reason why scum like Obama, Trump, Netanyahu, Hitler, etc, criminals against mankind, end up in power…

This division exists inside any society, but interestingly it also exists in actual borders.
Example: the Cubans that like to “export” doctors and healthcare, live in Cuba or support their government while living abroad, and worship Fidel and Che and their brave revolution and liberation values.
On the contrary, the Cubans that miss living in a fascist dictatorship, being vassals of USatan, and prefer to export war and aggression, are mostly living in Florida and worship a hitlerian devil called Marco Rubio…

Final thought: there can be dictatorship with capitalism (almost all of the dictatorships in history were capitalist, or feudal, or oligarchic, honestly just 3 names for the same sh*t).
But it is impossible for democracy to exist without a game-changer amount of socialism (at least as in the Social-Democratic Nordic Model, ideally at least as much as in Communist China).

Note that I mentioned two types of mixed economies where the people have enough power (through huge amounts of unionised workers in Scandinavia, or through a Communist party that does not allow capitalist/oligarchy pigs to control the state/government) to decide how much Socialism is necessary at any given moment to address and fix the problems created by Capitalism, but don’t want to fully replace one with the other.

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Jul 8 2026 5:28 utc | 245

charities such as The Clinton Foundation
 
Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2026 5:16 utc | 244
 

 
These entities are a perfect example of fictitious capital, whose valorization should be regulated out of existence.
 
Taxes are a persuasive means of regulation.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2026 5:28 utc | 246

@241 Exile
 
Even if Vance did go to a Church and did not put on the tiny hat to visit the wall, so what? It’s popular to despise Jews right now. Just look at Tucker and Candace who rail against Zionism and pernicious Jewry. 
 
But be very careful. 
 
The WASP elite epitomized by Carlson will do anything to keep their power in America including disassociate from Jewry and Neoconservatism but a western elite is still a western elite just in a different outfit. 
 
Vance appears to be a very ignorant neophyte Catholic, along with Candace. I trust you understand Catholicism and Jewish rivalry throughout the millenia. I also assume you have given thought that a person can call their self a Catholic but in truth are an agent of Jewry. Or are just an ignorant Catholic and useful idiot for WASP elite. 
 
E. Michael Jones covers this idea very well in his recent takedown of Carlson who helped to groom Vance for this ascendancy. 

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 8 2026 5:31 utc | 247

@ too scents | Jul 8 2026 5:19 utc | 245 who wrote

The introduction of Agriculture to human society has lead to bad outcomes. 

 
I won’t disagree but what sort of society does humanity evolve to then?
Does this mean I can’t even chew on my marijuana plants and Peter his nicotine ones?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2026 5:32 utc | 248

Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 8 2026 4:16 utc | 235
 

… and then see that George has already done a much better job. Best I go back to my insects… 

But did George do it in less than two minutes, General? Hope you spend more time here, than what bugs you. I find many of your insights very informative. Wasn’t it just a day, or two ago that you lamented about not stepping in until you’d finished the thread? That’s one of my prerequisite’s. 

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 8 2026 5:41 utc | 249

I won’t disagree but what sort of society does humanity evolve to then?
 
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2026 5:32 utc | 250
 

 
A return to Eden is out of the frame.  It is questionable if an alternative compromise can be reached.  As I mentioned upthread, the free time people have for themselves has been trending negatively for millennia.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2026 5:44 utc | 250

A better answer would simply terminate the corporate and billionaire capture of government that enabled this problem to develop in the first place.  Break up the monopolies, restore actual competition, reverse federal and state wage suppression policies, stop printing money to inflate asset valuations and no more bail outs of failed corporations to save investors.  A wealth tax would leave the incumbent oligarchs, power brokers and manipulators in place, still paying protection money to ensure favorable regulatory, trade and labor policies, safe from risk of dethronement by “the new guy” who has a better product, a better service, or a better idea.  A wealth tax won’t solve wealth inequality and will instead leave the billionaires entrenched in their cocoons protected by the bought and paid for lobbyist, candidates and regulators who do their bidding.  The problem is real, but a wealth tax will not fix it and is a simpleton’s answer.  As far as the ultra-wealthy are concerned a wealth tax is the lesser evil.

Posted by: Jon | Jul 8 2026 5:47 utc | 251

Mr. Snake – you provide very useful information, but in a useless format. It is not that difficult to manually format data from a copy/paste process. Even an insect keeper who cannot distinguish between a rocket and a jet engine can manage with just two keys 
It took 1 min 55s to format. You’re most welcome! 
Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 8 2026 4:08 utc | 232
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Your reformatted chart looks even better than mine (which only took about 15 min.)

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 8 2026 5:55 utc | 252

I think everyone should mind their own business. Why should the ROW care about a country’s internal wealth disparity? Let them sort it out.
 
When peaceful changes become impossible, only violence remains. So be it.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Jul 8 2026 6:07 utc | 253

Your reformatted chart looks even better than mine (which only took about 15 min.)
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jul 8 2026 5:55 utc | 254
 
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Now, now, George! You know I don’t like people arguing with me. You know I am always right, right? I’ve said yours is better than mine, so that’s that! You must agree to never disagree.
 

tonsillas stultum reprobum prehende

Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 8 2026 6:11 utc | 254

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2026 5:44 utc | 252
 

A return to Eden is out of the frame.  It is questionable if an alternative compromise can be reached.  As I mentioned upthread, the free time people have for themselves has been trending negatively for millennia.

But wouldn’t you agree, that with machines and technology escalating as they are in China, that negative trend might reverse itself? 
 
Seems to me, as psychohistorian states upthread, Russia, China and Iran are handing us a silver platter and what we do with it is up to us, eh? Isn’t it about time that humanity stood up for itself, or would that be too  selfish?

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 8 2026 6:16 utc | 255

But wouldn’t you agree, that with machines and technology escalating as they are in China, that negative trend might reverse itself?
 
Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 8 2026 6:16 utc | 255
 

 
No.  Why should it?  Automatization is a fierce competitor for resources that humans also need.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2026 6:21 utc | 256

Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 8 2026 6:11 utc | 254
 

tonsillas stultum reprobum prehende

Dux, potesne per formam scripturae explicare quid asterisci varii significent?

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 8 2026 6:33 utc | 257

On topic.
 
Keep an eye on developments regarding UK nigel farage related  politics this morning /  today, it’s fasinating, entertaining.
 
I’l keep my opinion, short and sweet.
 
Never interfear when your enemys are fighting each other.
 
5 star entertainment.  
 
‘ b ‘ could we please have a thread on this. Its big.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 8 2026 6:36 utc | 258

“Neoliberal policies and the accompanying tax cuts for the wealthy are causing an extreme polarisation of society. If this continues, civil society in capitalist countries will cease to function properly. Corrective action is needed”

I have been hearing this phrase in my own country ever since around the year 2000.

However, whoever call for corrective action, got attacked by idiots as a ‘commie spies, leftist’ (I personally consider it an honour to be called somehow socialist though), and politicians and individuals who oppose these neoliberal policies are relentlessly attacked, and to this day not a single policy has been reversed.
I believe this is likely a common phenomenon in many Western countries.
This trend has persisted for over twenty years.

For this reason, I no longer believe that American society have any capacity for self-correction in this trend.
So I merely hope now that the West, bunch of fools, which is attempting to commit self-damaging alongside this neoliberalism, will be defeated by its counterparts—such as China, Russia and Iran—and that end up an ‘inferior civilisation’.
That is why I consider the defeat of American imperialism and its allies, alongside the unstoppable shift to the reactionary and irredeemable neoliberal mindset, to be inevitable.

Posted by: Nokaz | Jul 8 2026 6:43 utc | 259

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2026 6:21 utc | 256
 

 No.  Why should it?  Automatization is a fierce competitor for resources that humans also need.

Sure under our present predicament, but perhaps you too could benefit from what J. Heininger’s written at his substack? A utopian of sorts that surely needs debate to smooth out its many rough facets, but your vast knowledge over so many subjects might peruse his document at your leisure and report your findings. They, for me would hold greater value, still. 
 
 https://heininger.substack.com/p/phoenix-america-a-new-nation-rising

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 8 2026 6:45 utc | 260

We are witnessing the collapse of the democratic system in the uk.
 
Funding of political partys,  including personal gifts is about to come under the hammer, scrutiny will be very revealing.
 
On ALL partys, 
 
My intetest is israel related funding.
 
Bring it on.
 
No genicide in palistien, no lobbying or funding from genicide mass murderers.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jul 8 2026 6:49 utc | 261

I think people may have missed the real enemy: “the first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers bankers”.
 
A few disparate thoughts at the fag-end of a thread. Note that I am not a deep thinker, or even a coherent one. Ymmv with the following…
 
A) What is the purpose of government? As I see it, government has 2, or perhaps 3 primary tasks. Firstly, government wants to continue to exist, and will kill millions in order to survive. The second main purpose of government is to stop human beings freely interacting with each other. A corollory to this would be the creation of monopolies and cartels, but you can include that under the umbrella of stopping free interaction. Everything else is just noise.
 
B)  How do we make a better world? What do we need to do to stop the murderous monsters? I think this needs to be a social movement, religious if you like, that enforces compliance through shame – this was the mind-control of religions down through the ages, after all.
 
1. Killing people is bad. Profiting from killing people is worse. No more war for profit. No more MIC. No more owning shares in dealing death. Nationalise the murderers because they are murderous. “Protecting our interests” = murder abroad for profit. Working for a defence company should be akin to garbage collection- an unpleasant task that needs to be done for the good of all. Never for profit. 
 
2. All politicians are corrupt,  always. Even if you can find one who isn’t, they are still able to be corrupted, and should be treated as such. Tell your politicians often that they are contemptible, corrupt, evil monsters. Arrange checks and balances to ensure as much corruption as possible is exposed, but always assume that all politicians are corrupt, and treat them as such. Any new law or legislation should be judged on whether it benefits the majority,  or benefits a minority that is justifiably allowed a privileged position. (Disabled parking spaces seems a good example of granting a privilege to a minority that the majority will be comfortable with). With modern communication technology, perhaps a referendum for any law that doesn’t demonstrably benefit the majority? This will change the nature of legislation somewhat (see my point at A) above).
 
3. Nationalised banking. Private banking can create money at will, and therefore has an infinite ability to corrupt politicians.  This must be stamped out. (I am enamoured of Richard Werner and his plan for many, many small local banks that lend to small, local businesses – the Tucker Carlson interview from a few years ago was a revelation to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTKHskg5Tg)
 
4. The Press. Oh dear. At the very least, we need some kind of rule about truth, lies, narratives etc. I have no idea how to fix it, but a start might be to force them to spend the same amount of airtime, column space etc on the correction as the spent on the “factual error”. If anyone can bring a complaint about an item being factually incorrect, at no cost, and the governing body enforces that the retraction is given the same amount of space/time as the original “story”, then it might concentrate their thinking to some extent. Again, corruption and ownership of the media by billionaires is the real problem, but i’m not a big enough thinker to be able to find a solution to this one. 
 
If society forces the above as a moral imperative, then perhaps things might improve. Otherwise, more murder-death-kill monstrous evil rampaging across the globe, as it always has. All societies swing from liberal to conservative and back when it comes to morals: perhaps it is time we left the current hedonism behind and tried to get society to control government, rather than the other way around.
 
C) Lots of talk of revolution in the USA in this thread. As I see it, USA culture teaches that you resolve your problems by killing people. Assassination, murders, genocide – a rich history reinforced by Hollywood: the good guy wins, and the bad guy dies. How long before this becomes the political norm? I also wonder how long before the various trillionaires start lobbing missiles at each other – nations going to war is an accepted norm, but a nations and a corporations are very similar things,  with similar needs for power and control. Perhaps the 21st Century will be the Century of corporate warfare.
 

Posted by: Occasional poster | Jul 8 2026 6:56 utc | 262

Wealth tax will hardly solwe anything.
First, taxes are meant to redistribute money … mostly towards exactly this kind of people who horde excessive weath. Perhaps not to each and everyone of them, but as a class, they will benefit from the windfall of these taxes. 
Second, the (capitalist) system is set to promote and reward the behaivour of these very same people. Such a tax would be a blow to these people, but not anything else – they would continue (and double down) on their efforts. Yes, a few would fall out of their class for they know how to keep the wealth but not how to generate it from the scratch,but lowering the bar would also recruit some fresh blood so overall, nothing would really change.
One needs to change the system, and also needs to break with the old ways of thinking that are passed from a generatioin to a generation. Not an easy task, but at least it hase some chance of succedding. As opposed to the wealt tax.

Posted by: jekleni | Jul 8 2026 7:24 utc | 263

Dux, potesne per formam scripturae explicare quid asterisci varii significent?
Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jul 8 2026 6:33 utc | 257
 
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Ad eos qui momentum in enuntiatis meis quaerunt distrahendos.
 
Ecce indicium efficaciae!  🙂

Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 8 2026 7:37 utc | 264

Just having a wealth tax is no guarantee that anything at all will change for poorer people.   The most likely outcome is just more government waste.   Hard to see how that wouldn’t happen.   The US hasnt even peeled the layers back on the current levels of mass waste, fraud and corruption.   That,  and having a plan beyond taxing,  should be prerequisites of any wealth tax.

Posted by: yarpos | Jul 8 2026 8:01 utc | 265

The problem is not so much about taxes than about the only goal of capitalism : hoarding profits. This is more a why problem than a how.

Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 8 2026 8:09 utc | 266

B considers wealth tax. It looks like what is listed is below the 1%(?)
 
I have considered what makes the west want war. My conclusion has been that this is all about the wealthy class as customers to the financiers. If the financiers cannot provide the gains the wealthy class expects, one way or the other investments have to go abroad. But that threatens a large part of cadres. So they want war to make sure there are no independent nations with prosperity for to invest in.
 
What is missing in the debate is that there probably is a difference in what gains people with different amounts to invest are likely to obtain. And common people normally lose money since inflation isnt compensated by higher interest rates in common peoples bank accounts. Those who are interested in economy call it sleeping money. But this is considered acceptable by the establishment. The wealthy class may not always get high percentages of gains but when they turn to brokers they usually seek better conditions than for sleeping money. 
 
I claim that this difference is what is now behind the western drive to war and that factor is surely understood by many of the opinionmakers who never bring it up. I see that as a deception since I get the impression that in particular americans are interested in economy in the way that makes them aware of the abovementioned difference.
 
Next thought: Why is there a wealthy class? Is there anything good with such a class? one may ask. But then one may consider China. Its great technological progress has happened both during the period when they have considered talents important and during that period individual wealth has been allowed to grow.  To what extent has opportunities to be wealthy  been decisive for Chinas achievements? 
 
 

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 8 2026 8:15 utc | 267

This is a larger problem than wealth distribution. The real problem is more complex and it is the uncontrolled spending increasing the national debt which has hetertofore been supported by the US dollar as a hegemonic petrodollar asset. When countries shift away from dollar trades it has the result of diluting the support for the dollar. The Federal reserve will have to buy back the dollars using more printed money which is inflationary. Despite that, our government keeps spending money they don’t have an never will have. They know they wll never repay the debt so just don’t care whatsoever.
The interest payments on the debts are now getting close to the national budget so these payments will also have to be borrowed causing more inflation. If people recall back in the 1980’s interest rates got as high as 18.5%. If that gets applied to the debt then it will further increase the debt servicing and result in accelerated inflation. At some point it collapses and the dollar will become insolvent requireing cancellation of all dollars plus any debt and re-issuance of a New Dollar. This happened in the Soviet Union and happens fairly often in other countries like Argentina.
What we have happening now is Trump with his insane policies is actually increasing pressure to move away from the previously trusted dollar but now the US has been shown to disregard all laws and rules and just simply takes whatever it wants when, and wherever it wants until someone stops them. The easy move is to just dump your dollars and shift over the the BRICS payment system. This is already beginning.
In this light US dollars become meaningless. Taxes are also meaningless in the US. When the government wants to fund something like another never-ending war they print money and increase the debt. But, when people need infrastructure, education, health care, whatever, then there is no political will to print money for that. Corporate welfare good, welfare for the unemployed or sick is bad. The American people are slowly waking up to this.
Should Trump be stupid enough to re-ignite the Iran war then the global oil supply and worse, US diesel or jet fuel will become a problem once the strategic oil reserves are depleted, some experts saying under 14 days is left.
So, we may see an imminenet collapse of all economies based on dollars world wide. The ones that don’t will be fine although their customers wil be unable to pay except in gold.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jul 8 2026 9:25 utc | 268

Making Wealth accumulation culturally unacceptable everywhere solves the wealth tax issue at the root. A global Ban on private Real Estate Property ownership solves the other main driver of insidious unconstrained capitalism. Together they have ruined humanity and wrecked the world’s environment. The third pillar being gross delusions such as those fired by the evil imposed upon Humanity caused by institutional Religion. 
 
Community Sharing, Cooperation, Barter, Small Business, Professional Trades, Farming and Livestock, Arts and Crafts do not need Capitalism, Finance nor Taxes, Capitalist Wealth and Ownership to enhance human well being. 
 
Anarchist Societies are the fundamental basis for free societies. They provide elementary forms of human freedom which are interconnected elementary in the sense that if you take one of them away it has negative effects on the others. 
 
First is the freedom to move away from your surroundings, to relocate and receive hospitality at your point of destination.
The second elementary form of freedom is the freedom to say no. To disobey commands from anyone, including the child’s parents. The basis of what you might call a true participatory form of democracy.
The third freedom, the most important freedom of all, is precisely the freedom to imagine and create alternative forms of society or to move between different social realities. 
 
Hat tip: Graeber and Wengrow. 

Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 9:35 utc | 269

Why is B trying to save the US? 
 
The US is not healthy. Doh! You can’t tax your way out of a civilization that defines human worth by net worth.
 
The problem isn’t the distribution—it’s the game itself. Why is B still trying to win at a rigged game instead of asking whether the game should exist at all?
 
Let it die.
 
Let it sink under it’s own weight. 

Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 9:51 utc | 270

First things first :  
 
You have to understand what taxes are actually for and they are not to fund the government. Hence , why this disparity exists and tax havens were created. The elites know taxes don’t fund the government but have lied about it for decades.
 
Taxes drive  the currency and give the bits of paper value.
 
Taxation plays a fundamental role in the US monetary system, not as a means of raising revenue for government spending, but as a mechanism to create demand for the national currency – the $.  The US Government’s authority to impose tax obligations payable in $’s initiates a chain reaction in the economy.
 
The US Government imposes tax obligations payable in $’s
 
Consequently, goods, services, and assets are offered for sale to obtain the $’s required to pay these taxes.
 
The state can then buy those goods and services using the $’s it issues, which have value because they are needed to satisfy tax obligations.
 
Taxes can then be paid using the $’s circulating in the economy.
 
This process underscores the primary purpose of taxation: to create a demand for the government’s currency and facilitate the state’s ability to provide itself with goods and services. It follows that the US Government, which issues its own currency, does not need taxes to finance spending. Instead, it spends first, injecting money into the economy before collecting it back through taxation and then shreds it.
 
While taxation is essential to the monetary system, individuals must still meet their tax obligations under US law. If they fail to do so, the IRS has extensive enforcement powers. Once a tax debt is legally established and the appeal period has expired, IRS can enforce collection without further reference to the courts. They can do this through: ,Direct recovery or Baliff seizure.
 
Despite these extensive powers, there are limits to taxation enforcement. If an individual has no assets, has not been dishonest about their tax position, has no money, and has no prospect of income, even bankruptcy or an attachment of earnings order will not allow IRS, to recover tax from them.
 
Even in cases of extreme tax evasion, where offences  carry a maximum sentence of life imprisonment, some individuals may choose incarceration over enforcement. Being detained in a,jail may seem preferable to a life of financial hardship.
 
At its core, individuals offer goods and  or their services for sale in $’s because it is cheaper than the alternative. This is the ‘discount’ received for participating in the system—the rate of return on providing goods and services to the government rather than facing enforcement. If that rate of return disappears, the alternative (enforcement) becomes preferable, and the process stops functioning as intended. In a repressive system, some tax debtors might even seek jail time as a way to escape their obligations. Conversely, there may be little incentive to offer anything in a system with weak enforcement.
 
Thus, taxation only drives the provision of goods and services to the government as long as individuals perceive compliance as the cheaper option. A physical limit exists: taxation functions only if the threat of enforcement remains an undesirable alternative in the individual’s circumstances.
 
 
Taxation enables the movement of physical resources and skills towards public purposes. By establishing tax obligations payable in $’s, The government creates demand for the currency and allows the reallocation of labour, land, and materials to essential projects. This process reduces private sector purchasing power, ensuring resources are available for public services. For example, when healthcare staff or soldiers take on public roles, their efforts move from private pursuits to serving collective needs.
 
Governments could theoretically requisition resources directly—through forced conscription or labour drafts. Historical examples of press gangs illustrate such measures, often inequitable and heavy-handed. Taxation offers a more structured and equitable alternative. By imposing taxes and offering currency to meet those obligations, individuals are empowered to exchange labour or goods voluntarily. However, the outcome is the same: physical capacity shifts from private to public use. When factory workers become soldiers, their contribution to private industry ceases, prompting the private sector to adapt and maintain productivity with fewer resources.
 
A fundamental limit to taxation is productivity. Government initiatives depend on the economy’s ability to meet both private and public needs. Workers employed in public services still require food, housing, and clothing—all provided by the private sector. If productivity falters and the private sector cannot adapt to fewer available resources, shortages or inflation may follow. Thus, taxation relies on a robust and adaptable economy capable of sustaining these dual demands.
 
Another critical boundary is societal tolerance. Taxation works because most people comply, understanding that non-payment could lead to asset seizure or imprisonment. Yet, excessive tax burdens risk eroding social cohesion. For those with limited means, imprisonment or community labour might seem preferable to an unmanageable tax bill. This reality imposes a practical ceiling on taxation: enforcement must remain reasonable to sustain public trust and participation.
 
The true limits of taxation lie in the interplay between physical resources and societal expectations. Productivity dictates how much labour and material can be redirected to public purposes, while social norms define the extent of taxation that society will accept. In the US $ based economy, the priority should be managing resources effectively and ensuring taxation supports public goals without undermining private prosperity.
 
 
A US wealth tax has to be very carefully thought through.
 
 
Taxation is more than a fiscal mechanism; it is the cornerstone of resource allocation in modern society. The challenge is maintaining a balance that upholds collective welfare while preserving individual opportunity.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
     

Posted by: Andrew | Jul 8 2026 10:31 utc | 271

It has always been a print and then shred  system. Always about skills and real resources and the productive capacity you have. 
 
Not – the bits of paper or keystrokes you can issue yourself.
 
The national government wishes to provision itself.
 
To do this, it has to transfer physical output in the country from the private sector to the public sector.
 
It does that by imposing a tax in a denomination on the population.
 
The population then has to offer goods and services to the government in exchange for the denomination or risk having their assets confiscated and liberty taken away. Finding the denomination and paying the tax is the cheaper option.
 
 
The government then ‘prints money’ to settle the bills for the goods and services it has bought – at a government-determined price.
 
 
The population settle their private trades between themselves in the same denomination, so they each have enough to pay their tax bills.
 
The population pays its dues to the authorities, and the government immediately shreds all the money it has collected as tax.
 
Any difference between the amount printed and the amount shredded represents people saving for a rainy day.  What we call the deficit – the household and business surplus.
 
Print and Shred is how the system works. All fully sovereign monetary systems work this way, no matter how much they try and hide the fact.
 
Why the  “Why not print more money’ idea falls over. The government only prints more money to buy more stuff.
 
 
Let’s consider the case of the war in Ukraine. Why can’t the Ukrainian government ‘print more money’ to pay for the war?  there isn’t any more stuff available for sale in Hryvnia. All the people who would otherwise be involved in production are away fighting the Russians, and anybody else is outside the reach of the Ukrainian taxation authority. Hryvinia isn’t worth anything much outside Ukraine.
 
 
As you can see, government spending automatically stops when it runs out of things to buy with its currency at a price worth paying.
 
In summary, printing money is only helpful if there is something available to buy with it.
 
And if you ‘fire up the printing press’, you automatically ‘fire up the shredding machine’ to the same extent.
 
 
So What’s the solution ?
 
How should a wealth tax be implemented ?
 
 
Here:
 
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=61142

Posted by: Andrew | Jul 8 2026 10:48 utc | 272

“This is a larger problem than wealth distribution. The real problem is more complex and it is the uncontrolled spending”
@Old Microbiologist | Jul 8 2026 9:25 utc | 268
The way I look at it the oligarchy is behind everything so whatever means they use to manipulate it is always seen as beneficial for the oligarchy.
That oligarchy does not want to let the financiers be too friendly with the rivals among independent nations.
The motive is of course that the political elites and wellpaid bureaucrats have careers that may collapse unless the semihegemonical character is preserved.
And that is what I believe drives the current conflicts.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 8 2026 11:11 utc | 273

The phrase, “not worth a Continental” is gradually changing to ‘not worth a Dollar”.
 
From Cash to Trash, Rinse and Repeat
July 07, 2026
 
[Snip]…
The phrase “not worth a Continental” was once popular in the U.S. It wasn’t part of a Cadillac marketing campaign. It came about after the Continental Congress decided that printing its way out of a war was preferable to the messy and difficult business of collecting taxes.
As we’ve seen, the United States has lived through several episodes of this series. The only novelty today is the scale at which the experiment is being run and the amnesia with which it’s being conducted. Those who imagine the outcome will be any different this time around might usefully recall that the Continental Congress also believed its circumstances were unique—until the notes stopped buying anything at all.
Is it too far-fetched to imagine that our descendants will one day adopt the expression “Not worth a US dollar”?
 
https://frankgiustra.com/from-cash-to-trash-rinse-and-repeat/
 
 
 

Posted by: Menz | Jul 8 2026 11:34 utc | 274

The solution :
 
Michael Hudson’s ideas expanded ……..
 
The best and most efficient way to implement a wealth tax is to stop it at source and not try to collect it back after the horse has already bolted..
 
 
1.Set the interest rate to zero permanently
 
2.Stop issuing treasuries ( government debt ) immediately.
 
In a modern economy, the government creates money through spending and removes it through taxation. When the government spends more than it taxes, the extra money flows into banks as reserves.
 
Left unmanaged, these reserves would naturally push overnight interest rates to zero. The only way to artificially maintain higher rates is for the government to intervene – by paying interest on reserves or issuing treasuries.
 
Why ?
 
 
Why should the government subsidise wealthy bondholders with risk-free returns? 
 
This hidden give away serves no public purpose.
 
ZIRP eliminates this unjustified subsidy, creating a fairer and more transparent financial system.
 
The FED ceases using interest rates as a policy tool. Constant rate adjustments create instability, disrupting businesses and hindering long-term planning. A stable zero rate provides certainty, enabling businesses and individuals to plan with confidence.
 
 
Government borrowing is not required to fund spending. Treasury issuance is a relic of the gold standard era, serving no functional purpose today. Eliminating treasuries removes an unnecessary drain on public funds. It stops financial markets from extracting risk-free profits at the public’s expense.
 
Banks operate as an extension of the public monetary system.lending only for productive purposes. This ensures that finance supports real economic growth, not speculation.
 
Banks receive an unlimited overdraft from the FED at 0%, directly exposing the Bank to commercial banking risks. This necessitates strict loan regulation:
 
 
The FED takes on ultimate responsibility for every loan issued.
 
Regulators must set clear criteria for acceptable loans that will promote productive investment.
 
Regulators must ensure a commercial bank has enough capital to cover any issues with its regulated assets.
 
If a bank fails, the regulator and the Bank of England governor are held accountable. Liquidating a bank becomes a resigning matter for both.
 
This system forces regulators and bankers to act responsibly, knowing that failure means professional consequences. Mismanagement isn’t just a policy mistake; it’s a career-ending event.
 
Every deposit in the banking system becomes actual money, regardless of size. This ensures secure access to funds for businesses and individuals. Deposit insurance schemes and special protections for large institutions become unnecessary.
 
Banks can only lend for activities that grow the real economy, such as housing, infrastructure, and business investment.
 
The FED maintains a list of approved loan types, such as residential mortgages at sensible ratios, working capital funding and business development loans.
 
If a bank breaks the rule – by lending for speculation or financial manipulation, for example – the courts won’t enforce repayment. Banned loans become shareholder gifts and those responsible go to jail.
 
This prevents banks from misusing their monetary powers and directs finance toward productive uses. No loopholes. No bailouts. Just real lending for real growth.
 
The FED holds debentures over regulated banks. If a bank is mismanaged, the Bank can place it into creditor administration at any time.
 
If that happens:
 
Shareholders and bondholders are wiped out – no bailouts.
 
The payment system remains protected, ensuring depositors always retain access to their money.
 
The FED balance sheet absorbs the impact of bank liquidations, but failure reflects directly on the regulator. Who goes to jail.
 
If a regulated bank collapses, it is a resigning matter for the financial regulator and the FED governor. This ensures strict, responsible oversight focused on stability.
 
Instead of using interest rates to control inflation, the US implements a Job Guarantee:the
 
Anyone willing to work can always find a job at a fixed living wage.
 
The job guarentee acts as an automatic stabiliser, expanding during private sector slowdowns and contracting during periods of growth as they move into private sector work.
 
A constant yet disciplined fiscal policy allows the Job Guarantee buffer to keep prices stable, negating any concerns that ZIRP could lead to inflation.
 
This eliminates the need for monetary policy adjustments, creating a stable economic environment for businesses and workers.
 
Introduce NON TRADABLE National Savings annuities, free from the parasitic financial sector:
 
Where households ONLY  can build up an annual additional pension by purchasing ‘Granny Bonds’ directly from the government. They would have limited residual capital value and no capital uplift, but they would give a secure additional income in retirement for ordinary people who decide to be thrifty and save. The precise level and nature of the instruments is open to debate.
 
Free from income tax and capital gains taxes. That pay a 10% return if held for more than 5 years.
 
 
Linked to the retail index to keep up with the cost of inflation.
 
This would destroy the parasitic finance sector with one stroke of a pen. Those working in it would have to do something more useful with their lives. Rent seeking would come to shuddering halt.
 
You’ve killed it at source….
 
No need to to run around trying to catch it after the horse has already bolted..
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Andrew | Jul 8 2026 11:35 utc | 275

This is the dumbest communist rant you have yet made.

Posted by: Commentator | Jul 8 2026 11:40 utc | 276

I said something about Chinas achievements. I just know watched a video about Chinese schools. They are much more efficient in a good sense although unfamiliar for us. For example they counter tendencies to myopia by measuring how close to the desk pupils move and instantly signals so it may be lessened. I know Jaques Tatis film about a hypothetical modern world but in that case it is ridiculed and its easy to get on that track if one wants to make fun of a benefical efficient society like China. 
 
I think the whole world would benefit for going in that direction.
 
But I anticipate that some may see it in a less positive light.
 
Since they use face recognition, I wondered what they do if a child is injured so the face recognition doesnt work. 

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 8 2026 11:40 utc | 277

jekleni | Jul 8 2026 7:24 utc | 263
*** One needs to change the system, and also needs to break with the old ways of thinking that are passed from a generation to a generation. Not an easy task, but at least it has some chance of succeeding. As opposed to the wealth tax.***
 
Whether or not there’s a “wealth tax”, the situation gets increasingly worse not just in the US but in its now compulsive imperial puppet/copies such as the UK.
Complete with the self serving jargon-filled cultist mantras and lies of neoliberal economics.
 
A lot of big, often transnational, “charities” have long since become little more than big-corporate gravy train entities with some nominally “good cause” still tagged on as an excuse for benefits and concessions such entities are accorded by the State. Others (most notably Zionist ones) are really just blatant political and money-laundering scams.
As are — and have long been — the so-called “Foundations”. 
Some might be ‘clean’ …… but a considerable number are certainly not.
 
Tax evasion/avoidance of all kinds by the mega-rich is rife …. yet those engaging in it also expect and demand preferential treatment from all services of the State — even subsidisation for their own schemes.  A situation facilitated by these individuals and corporate entities having bought the big political parties and thus the parties’ ever more centrally selected and controlled politicians.
 
Those who advocate a ‘land tax’ solution  ….. such as the “Georgists” …. are an inadvertent anachronism two or three centuries too late to be effective. Just think how little land a billionaire Soros sitting at a desk with a laptop to harmfully shuffle and speculate billions of dollars / pounds / whatever needs to occupy. 
And even that could be evaded anyway, since the mega-rich also happen to own “the law”.
Plus the ludicrous fact of corporate entities supposedly having “human rights”.
Not to mention the potential, and too often deliberately exploited, negative side-effects and individual immunities thanks to “limited liability”.
And that’s just the superficial layers of the rotten “capitalist” / perpetual debt-money system …..

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 8 2026 11:52 utc | 278

Occasional poster | Jul 8 2026 6:56 utc | 262
*** I also wonder how long before the various trillionaires start lobbing missiles at each other – nations going to war is an accepted norm, but a nations and a corporations are very similar things,  with similar needs for power and control. Perhaps the 21st Century will be the Century of corporate warfare.***
 
Suspect that’s partly behind the war in Ukraine.
Thanks to owned politicians and mass-media.
Two or more sets of mainly Zionist/Jewish mafia Oligarchs in contention for supremacy over each other, set opposing armies into conflict as their covert and disposable proxies.
So whatever happens, although the Oligarch class might re-arrange its own internal status ranking, it doesn’t pay the fatal price. 

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 8 2026 12:11 utc | 279

Do you do battle with Haunted Houses full of Ghosts too? 
 
Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 2:31 utc | 219

My definition is broader than card carrying communists.  Socialists, progressives, green party, any group that carries radicalism is a threat.  If they say the past is a stain, not an inspiration and they hold the keys to the future my eye is on you, I see you.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 8 2026 12:15 utc | 280

First is the freedom to move away from your surroundings, to relocate and receive hospitality at your point of destination.
The second elementary form of freedom is the freedom to say no. To disobey commands from anyone, including the child’s parents. The basis of what you might call a true participatory form of democracy.
The third freedom, the most important freedom of all, is precisely the freedom to imagine and create alternative forms of society or to move between different social realities

I see this, Asian Tiger.. 

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 8 2026 12:26 utc | 281

(Chinese schools) / Since they use face recognition, I wondered what they do if a child is injured so the face recognition doesnt work. 
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 8 2026 11:40 utc | 277

 
Be cautious about videos about China. There are a LOT of local initiatives from schools, or towns, that are far from being widely adopted.
 
In Shanghai, you see facial recognition at the entrance of building works, to check the workers from various companies. I haven’t seen it at entrances of kindergartens or schools. They have their own human security, plus additional few policemen during entry/exit times.
 
Entrance to public kindys/schools depends on your residence area, rental/owner status, place of origin etc. Private kindys are better. Public schools are better (and free).
 
The funny thing is that a kid with both foreign parents can enroll into the (super excellent) chinese school free system. I haven’t seen automatic monitoring of body posture, but teachers pay close attention to (right hand) holding the pencil, as it will influence writing speed, and writing elegance (that will be judged in Chinese language tests).

Posted by: Asian Frog | Jul 8 2026 12:38 utc | 282

Entire thread is minutiae. Identify your enemy by name. Not ‘banker’ or ‘oligarch’. By their name. Closest appearing on thread is Epstein. Who, while quite well-born, was just a cog in the machine. Worked for Rothschilds. Which is plainly detailed in the files.
 
Name your enemy. Until you do they walk away.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 8 2026 12:55 utc | 283

I started a riot once by informing a striking union member that their company collected their ‘state income tax’ but the Feds let them keep the cash. Conspiracy to promote a false premise to get cash? I’m admit I’m  quite relieved it isn’t some \socialist’ thing/. The info changed the whole tone of the negotiation, LOL. It’s common in several states and is certainly only the tip of the iceberg. It isn’t only the current U.S. leaders who are corrupt. They had a long time to fine tune the scam. 

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Jul 8 2026 13:34 utc | 284

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Jul 7 2026 22:26 utc | 180 …(1) Wealth tax can nail anyone with a small business, or ones who have owned their homes for 30 plus years…..
 
(2) Bring back depression era  stock market laws.  Also, and I really hate myself even thinking this, up the capital gain tax.  …
 
(3) Finally you really need to deal with  salary cutting immigrants…..
 
(1) excuse me, but the wealth tax would not touch anyone until they tried to gift away their wealth or until they died and tried to bequeath their wealth to others.. The wealth tax works when a transfer of wealth happens.. its object it to deprive others of a person’s accumulated wealth during that persons lifetime.
 
The small business would continue but the owners of that small business would no longer be relatives of the original owner for any amount greater than the retention floor ($1,000,000).   Every dollar above $1,000,000 in value of a persons estate would belong to the government and would be sold to the highest bidder at auctions.
 
(2) depression era prohibitions against monopoly powers would strengthen the bottom up and move the economy from monopolism back toward competitive capitalism.  I like this suggestion. 
 
(3) I think salary cutting immigrants is nothing more than job competition.  when there are enough jobs everyone is employed, when the economy is failing, jobs become scarce and wage/job competition sets in.. 
 
Posted by: Cynic | Jul 8 2026 11:52 utc | 278  ….Tax evasion/avoidance of all kinds by the mega-rich is rife.
 
I would argue that the government intentionally avoids preventing off-shoring and refuses to collect taxes from the mega rich.. it could do so without effort but like everything else, when the Epstein class is the target, the law is rarely enforced and if enforced, then the Epstein class owned congress just changes the law. 
 
Nothing is going to change until bottom up makes the rules and top down enforces them.. even if a revolution were to occur, unless the top to bottom power structures were inverted, the only change would be the make up of the Epstein class.  Revolution without inversion would not destroy the Epstein class nor fix the structural problem associated with a top down government that not only enforces the laws but also decides on the laws and makes the goals.  <=You need a binary.. the bottom up should make the laws and the top down should enforce them. The bottom up should contract out enforcement not give enforcement powers to the most popular person to do with as he or she pleases. 

Posted by: snake | Jul 8 2026 13:36 utc | 285

Most people are anarchists: it’s the natural way to be. 

Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 13:37 utc | 286

The American Wealthy say they are over taxed. 
 
My solution will fix the Fiscal ills of America and the Tax system simultaneously in under a decade.
 
> Give the wealthy what they want, and what Trump really wants, then get out of the way and let nature take it’s course. 
 
The American Freedom Bill —
A Zero marginal Tax Rate for Individuals and Companies on all Annual Income above $1,000,000 
Leave the rest of the Rules and Rates of the Tax system exactly as they are.
 
Let it run – Let the ship right itself – Let reason prevail – Let the people decide what they really want after a decade. 
 
Think about it. It is a thought experiment .

Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 14:06 utc | 287

Most people are anarchists: it’s the natural way to be. 
 
Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 13:37 utc | 286

Nonsense, people thrive under order and knowing where they belong. The natural way is the way we are now, I only propose to reorder things not throw everyone into chaos only to recollecse into a different order.
 
Anarchism is a reaction to the corruption not the solution. 

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 8 2026 14:13 utc | 288

Nothing is going to change until bottom up makes the rules and top down enforces them.. even if a revolution were to occur, unless the top to bottom power structures were inverted, the only change would be the make up of the Epstein class.
Posted by: snake | Jul 8 2026 13:36 utc | 285
 
This was my point ab initio. The power to collect a wealt tax can be used to confiscate anything that is a store of value – even my gun collection. So, I’m going to end my involvement on this thread where it began: 
 
Keep your hands off my stuff or I will start shooting, imbecile. 
 
Posted by: frithguild | Jul 7 2026 17:02 utc | 11
 
Wealth tax, meet 2A. Keep your European solutions over there where they have killed hundreds of millions. 

Posted by: frithguild | Jul 8 2026 14:13 utc | 289

There has never been a single communist country yet. Not Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, nor North Korea. There are always inequalities in every country espousing communism. There have been strongly socialist ones and in many ways every country has socialist policies. Governments exist because of their populations. Good governments put the people first regardless of ideology.
Our particluar non-Democratic Representative government is heavily biased towards political doners who also happen to be rich (top 0.1%), or foreign religious influence (not just Israel tries to control the US). We end up with a set of classic oligarchs who are too big to jail and have impunity as well as bottomless hubris.
The problem is for a capitalistic based system (itself based on previous fuedalism) must have consumers to purchase the products made by the oligarchs. The US has bypassed this partially through selling mostly to the government military weapons which benefit almost exclusively oligarchs and to a lesser extent the proles who work in the factories. The other bypass is financial systems which exist to churn non-existent money (fiat) for a small profit and large bonuses. Again, only benefitting the oligarchs and the people working to move around the money and leveraged financial instruments.
Add in the growing shift to AI and robotics who work but earn no pay thus also cannot purchase products. When this shifts too far there will be no one to buy manufactured products as most people will not have employment. Therefore they are going to require the government to borrow to pay every person in America a minimum exsitence salary (aka universal income) which just happens to be enough to be able to still purchase goods thus keeping the capitalist machine greased. There will be tweaks and gotchas but basically this is where we are headed.
War has become a serious problem, especially for the US and western countries that need wars to keep the finances flowing. However, with the advent of drone warfare and smaller countries having very accurate missiles, we no longer can operate with impunity. Worse, it damages the US reputation and proves the mafia boss no longer can beat the hell out of you if you don’t pay protection. So, something must replace war and military spending. It is easy to find replacements such as education, infrastructure improvements, health care, pensions, whatever, but this seems impossible for our oligarchs and their insatiable greed to comprehend.
It will be fun to watch as I am fairly certain we will be bitting this impasse within 10 years assuming the US exists by then.
 

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jul 8 2026 14:41 utc | 290

I can’t help feeling grimly amused at the number of posters who claim that you can’t make rich bastards get their hands in their pocket. The only reason that they get away with not paying their way is that the state make sure that they don’t have to. Democracy will cure this.

Posted by: Squeeth | Jul 8 2026 14:45 utc | 291

The USA is a capitalist country masquerading as a democracy. What other nation on earth would you see a supreme court decide that capital has the same rights of self expression as a citizen?
 
And further rule the way capital expresses it’s right of self expression is through virtually unlimited political campaign contribution. 
 
The one refreshing thing about the Trump regime is they’ve dropped the bullshit that the USA is a classless democracy with freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
The USA exists to make  wealthy Americans wealthier.
“Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Was just a promotional campaign to replace slaves with poor European immigrants willing to slave for peanuts. The biggest US contribution to mankind was the public relations industry.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 8 2026 14:56 utc | 292

The American Freedom Bill —A Zero marginal Tax Rate for Individuals and Companies on all Annual Income above $1,000,000 Leave the rest of the Rules and Rates of the Tax system exactly as they are.
 
Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 8 2026 14:06 utc | 287

 
The 1% would love it! — and it’s more or less where we’re headed anyway.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 8 2026 15:11 utc | 293

I must disagree with you, b. Who would collect the tax? Government agents. Do you seriously think new tax revenues raised by the American government would be passed on to the people rather than invested into the war machine? There might be a small portion spent on bread and circuses to keep the plebs distracted, but I can’t think of any historical examples of countries that have raised large amounts of revenue to improve the lives of the people. Our real problem in America is the lack of representation. I’d much rather have a government that reflects my values and priorities than a government that tells me that they will tax the rich to even out the wealth distribution. 
Redistribution is a mirage or a false promise. It’s politicians stoking envy to increase their grip on power and distract from their own malfeasance. Show me one instance where it has improved the lot of the common folk rather than enriched the politicians.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 8 2026 15:45 utc | 294

‘The U.S. will need some kind of wealth tax to level this out.’
 
Yeah, right! Then we can aspire to having a dynamic, world-leading economy like no-growth Germany and socialist France!
 
What’s not to like? /sarc

Posted by: Jim H | Jul 8 2026 15:47 utc | 295

Taxes should be voluntary. 

Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2026 15:55 utc | 296

Taxes should be voluntary. 
 
Posted by: Exile | Jul 8 2026 15:55 utc | 296
 

 
And so should Death.  To eliminate those two regretful certainties.

 
It’s true! It’s true! The crown has made it clearThe climate must be perfect all the year
 
A law was made a distant moon ago here:July and August cannot be too hotAnd there’s a legal limit to the snow hereIn CamelotThe winter is forbidden till DecemberAnd exits March the second on the dotBy order, summer lingers through SeptemberIn Camelot
 
Camelot! Camelot!I know it sounds a bit bizarreBut in Camelot, CamelotThat’s how conditions are
 
The rain may never fall till after sundownBy eight, the morning fog must disappearIn short, there’s simply notA more congenial spotFor happily-ever-afteringThan here in Camelot
 
Camelot! Camelot!I know it gives a person pauseBut in Camelot, CamelotThose are the legal laws
 
The snow may never slush upon the hillsideBy nine p.m. the moonlight must appearIn short, there’s simply notA more congenial spotFor happily-ever-afteringThan here in Camelot
 

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2026 16:03 utc | 297

This never happened on the planet where I lived, Mr. Keme. Tip O’Neil preside over this? C’mon.  
Posted by: frithguild | Jul 7 2026 21:33 utc | 158
 
The planet where you live?  Is there no USA on that planet?   You believe that Tip O’Neil would not allow that, although we in the US are living with the results today, so you believe it didn’t happen.   We have 40 years of evidence, but you don’t believe it, because…….Tip O’Neil.  
 
B lives in Germany and he can see.  What planet do you live on?  What color is the sky there?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 8 2026 16:43 utc | 298

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 8 2026 16:43 utc | 298
 
Let’s just be clear about the quote that was the focus of my unriposted comment:
 
*** Freidman’s advice was to deregulate and cut taxes and when this new political economy was implemented it did regenerate corporate profits but those profits fueled investment in financial speculation and lobbying to cut taxes and regulations further. ***
 
Let me try to state it more clearly: O’Neil guaranteed that Friedman’s recommendations were never “implemented”. The power of the State, taxes (I recall Jennings, Donaldson, etc. pointing to the increased revenue from a decrease in marginal rates as “the largest tax increase in American history”, but I digress) and regulatory capture accelerated through the 80’s during Friedman’s time unabated through today. 
 
So that planet, Mr. wagelaborer. 
 

Posted by: frithguild | Jul 8 2026 17:03 utc | 299

When President Kennedy was assassinated, why did the US not respond as Iran has done?  Perhaps we were too well off; we didn’t realize what we were losing at that time. Posted by: juliania | Jul 7 2026 23:03 utc | 189
 
The Iranian government organized the funeral for the Khameni family.  They set it up, they announced it, they provided essential support for the crowd.
Contrary to the “We don’t need no stinkin’ government” crowd here, only a government can organize massive projects. 
 
The Deep State had just proved that they had the power to blow off the president’s head in the middle of town square in the middle of the day.    The general public may not have known that, because of the mockingbird media, also under control of the Deep State, but I’m sure that other government officials took note.
 
What government entity would take it upon themselves to organize the public to come out at certain times and places to show their grief?  There was the official parade in Washington, DC, but that is a long way to go for most Americans. 
 
 
 

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 8 2026 17:12 utc | 300

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