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July 9, 2026
Ukraine Open Thread 2026-146
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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I trtesting post from Russia Truth substack. Time has enabled western to research and examine Russian military manufacture ,operation, Intel and tactics etc. This has allowed time to start and rebuild properly their outdated operations and tactics and manufacture of military hardware, eg heading more rapidly cohesively towards 2027-2029 concerted action . Unless Russia can intensify more militarily and by such as declaring an anti terrorist operation more quickly -which would give them much more freedom”legally” to deal with perpetrators from and at source…things are tricky.? Posted by: Jo | Jul 10 2026 16:26 utc | 102 Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 10 2026 15:43 utc | 103 Posted by: Hamburger | Jul 10 2026 16:29 utc | 103 @Lesjeuxsontfaits Posted by: Clown Shoes | Jul 10 2026 16:35 utc | 104 Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 10 2026 15:43 utc | 104Yeah, whenever an internet discussion about Stalin takes place, it becomes very obvious very quickly that nobody has bothered to look at the Soviet Archives since 1991 except for scholars and researchers. Posted by: Chud Wrangler | Jul 10 2026 16:47 utc | 105 “RF has shown it will wait out NATO, if they decide to go to war it’s on them, but RF will not throw the first punch.” Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 10 2026 17:01 utc | 106 Foreign mercs down! Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 10 2026 17:12 utc | 107 acementhead…remember the “polonium” affair was absolutely promoted for russophobic purposes. Then of course UK gob heavily involved with Bill Browder who appeared several times at Parliamentary Committees to advise give input etc on defence and terrorist concerns ,NATO policy and Russian policies. I remember watching the gullibility of the members, just like UK politics been so willingly and easily suckered and hoodwinked by z for money and military support pretending to defend western democracy etc Posted by: Jo | Jul 10 2026 17:12 utc | 108 According to the Ukraine tg channel resident, Kiev has no patriots left. The other day the Green grub admitted to a munitions depot in the Kiev ‘region’ being hit. That fireworks display in Kiev obviously was the ammo dump where they stored the Patriot interceptors. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 10 2026 17:54 utc | 109 Peskov has gone back to begging to trump again. Posted by: Decrepit Old Man | Jul 10 2026 18:40 utc | 110 Reuters – Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 10 2026 18:48 utc | 111 An unpopular question that doesn’t seem to get asked very much, amid all the braying about Patriot production: what on earth is the point of committing all those production resources to something that doesn’t work very well in the first place? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 10 2026 18:55 utc | 112 something that doesn’t work very well in the first place? Posted by: too scents | Jul 10 2026 18:57 utc | 113 Probably could expand the question further, among all the talk of European remilitarisation the question is: what with? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 10 2026 19:05 utc | 114 @117 Posted by: paddy | Jul 10 2026 19:09 utc | 115 It is funny, what the demented old man is vomiting of Uke propaganda. Always following the Goebbels rule: Inflate by at least one order of magnitude. Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 10 2026 19:12 utc | 116 @119 Posted by: paddy | Jul 10 2026 19:16 utc | 117 Thanks to
Posted by: paddy | Jul 10 2026 19:09 utc | 120 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 10 2026 19:23 utc | 118 @116 Posted by: paddy | Jul 10 2026 19:31 utc | 119 I have been following this conflict probably to closely for 4 years. Ukraine has never hit Russia has hard and as often as it does now. Posted by: steve | Jul 10 2026 19:34 utc | 120 @123 Posted by: paddy | Jul 10 2026 19:35 utc | 121 The Patriot PAC 3 license to manufacture is just more cover for DJT so he can appease the neo cons in Cabinet asking and demand more war on Russia. Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 10 2026 19:35 utc | 122 Wunderwaffern made in Ukraine are game changers in 5 years or maybe never Posted by: steve | Jul 10 2026 19:36 utc | 123 @125 Posted by: paddy | Jul 10 2026 19:39 utc | 124 Zelensky ‘Personally Cleared’ Killing of Monaco Bombing Suspect – Ex Ukrainian Diplomat (& vid) Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 10 2026 19:59 utc | 125
Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 10 2026 19:59 utc | 130 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 10 2026 20:12 utc | 126
Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 10 2026 20:21 utc | 127
Posted by: paddy | Jul 10 2026 19:35 utc | 126
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 10 2026 20:25 utc | 128
Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 10 2026 20:35 utc | 129 The Patriots…. can’t help but think of Trumps super duper weapons and his super duper military budget to purchase them. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 10 2026 20:36 utc | 130
Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 10 2026 20:21 utc | 132 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 10 2026 20:38 utc | 131 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@131: Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 10 2026 20:55 utc | 132
Ah that Aljazeera “journalist” from RFE/RL 🙂 Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 10 2026 21:03 utc | 133 *** other than the odd talking head or Mark Carney’s periodic announcements on CBC, I am noticing less coverage in general of Russia-Ukraine. *** Posted by: frithguild | Jul 10 2026 21:18 utc | 134 frithguild@139: Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 10 2026 21:25 utc | 135 PAC 3 missile is one link of Patriot. I have no idea why anyone wants to quadruple its production delivery. Posted by: The Far Side | Jul 10 2026 21:41 utc | 136 As Ukraine was responsible for the blitzkrieg of Al Nusra near Aleppo and march on Damascus … the terror state is active in Mali with support of French foreign legion … hell and fire 🔥 John Gilberts | Jul 10 2026 20:55 utc | 137 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 10 2026 22:39 utc | 139 If only they’d stay there. Posted by: frithguild | Jul 10 2026 22:43 utc | 140 “There is a fuel shortage in the Russian fuel market, as oil refineries are partially shutting down for repairs due to ‘attacks’,” said Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak (in a conversation with journalists). Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 10 2026 22:44 utc | 141 Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 10 2026 22:44 utc | 146 Posted by: frithguild | Jul 10 2026 22:50 utc | 142 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/07/08/ukraine-ambassador-do-not-assume-russia-has-lost-war/
Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 10 2026 22:44 utc | 146 “oil refineries are partially shutting down for repairs due to ‘attacks’,” Posted by: ed4 | Jul 10 2026 23:45 utc | 144 The Russian MOD’s internal figures presumably see Ukraine collapsing long before Russia is immiserated to the point of needing some “desperate” nuclear strike or attack against NATO.” Posted by: Call it what u will | Jul 11 2026 0:02 utc | 145 “oil refineries are partially shutting down for repairs due to ‘attacks’,”.Somewhere between 20% and 40% of production according to people who track it. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 11 2026 0:05 utc | 146 Posted by: Call it what u will | Jul 11 2026 0:02 utc | 150 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 11 2026 0:07 utc | 147 The number of foreigners killed recently in the Kupyansk region is staggering. Posted by: Call it what u will | Jul 11 2026 0:09 utc | 148 Also, “according to people who track it” means NAFO propagandists who just sling around numbers to make it sound like Ukraine is winning. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 11 2026 0:09 utc | 149 @ English Outsider | Jul 10 2026 11:06 utc | 88 Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 11 2026 0:53 utc | 150
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 11 2026 0:59 utc | 151
A good comment with realism and historical clarity. Neither side can win the current conflict imo. One side takes a step back (unlikely) or it escalates. Nothing is resolved if/when Russia takes the last annexed oblast’s border with rump-Ukraine. When is unlikely to happen this year or the next. And now there’s talk of taking Odessa and Sumy as well. Chances are, that’s not going to happen in another 4 years. Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 11 2026 1:11 utc | 152 I posted yesterday that Mercouris said only small Russian refineries were banned from exporting diesel Posted by: arby | Jul 11 2026 1:13 utc | 153 Neither side can win the current conflict imo. Posted by: UWDude | Jul 11 2026 1:22 utc | 154 ⚡️ Disposable Soldiers ⚡️ Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 11 2026 2:04 utc | 155
2 weeks after making the ad to promote Colombians to join the war he was killed. Perhaps if more Colombians were “treated” to the “after” videos of their men being killed by the drones they wouldn’t be so enthusiastic to join the war. This guy looks like he had his entire right arm and shoulder blown off. And who pays for the repatriation of their bodies? Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 11 2026 2:09 utc | 156 In the first Cold War, the U.S. called Soviet proxy wars “expansionist aggression.” Today, Russia calls NATO’s proxy war in Ukraine “Western expansionist aggression.” Both sides are equally guilty, and absolutely correct in their tactical observation in arming, funding, and advising a local ally to bleed your geopolitical rival is the cheapest, safest way to wage war. Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 11 2026 2:10 utc | 157
But it has always been the US aggressing and USSR/Russia reaction. It was US that started the Vietnam war, going in after the French lost control; it was the US with Turkey and Qatar and Saudi funding which started the uprising and war in Syria as Syria was living peacefully for decades under Assad; it was US which baited the Soviets in Afghanistan to give them “their Vietnam” so admitted Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Adviser during the Carter Administration, in 1998. US was supporting the terrorists BEFORE Russia went into Afghanistan. Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 11 2026 2:28 utc | 158
Warning! This kind of false equivalence is a popular propaganda tool. If you accept this logic, you also have to accept that Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia are “equally guilty”. Don’t do that! This kind of revisionism is getting traction in the West. In particular, German mainstream media and politicians are building on the Hitler-Stalin equivalency right now, for obvious reasons. Posted by: Konami | Jul 11 2026 3:18 utc | 159 @ Konami | Jul 11 2026 3:18 utc | 164 Posted by: james | Jul 11 2026 4:28 utc | 160 Posted by: james | Jul 11 2026 4:28 utc | 165
There will be a new name soon, I’m sure. I don’t reply to trolls which is why I didn’t copy the poster’s name as I do otherwise. I think it’s worth discussing and debunking the false equivalence regularly. It’s a common trope, also in real life. Sadly, even poor propaganda works. Posted by: Konami | Jul 11 2026 4:53 utc | 161 @ konami Posted by: james | Jul 11 2026 4:59 utc | 162
Writing aphorisms are better spent energy than writing books because people actually read them. Keep on with it! Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 11 2026 8:01 utc | 163
Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 11 2026 8:15 utc | 164 Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 11 2026 8:01 utc | 168 Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 11 2026 8:21 utc | 165
Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 11 2026 8:30 utc | 166 A few short comments on the first vs the second Cold War today, see Asian Tiger | 162 and Asian Tiger | 155 Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 11 2026 8:38 utc | 167 This belongs on every topic!
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 11 2026 9:08 utc | 168 Who knows how accurate the articles are, but it seems that Melnichenko has come to Clausewitz’s supreme consideration, that is: “What sort of war is being fought?” Posted by: Call it what u will | Jul 11 2026 9:56 utc | 169 Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 11 2026 8:01 utc | 168 Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 11 2026 11:32 utc | 170 Ukraine coercive sector management trying to label themselves as ‘chosen people’. Posted by: GreatLakesObserver | Jul 11 2026 12:04 utc | 171 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 11 2026 0:09 utc | 154 “Like mediazona who stopped tracking once the casualties “ Posted by: ed4 | Jul 11 2026 12:33 utc | 172 Posted by: UWDude | Jul 11 2026 0:05 utc | 151 “Russian oil exports are up 3%” Posted by: ed4 | Jul 11 2026 12:44 utc | 173 Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 10 2026 19:35 utc | 127 “Just more political eye wash in DC. It means less than nothing. On to Odessa!” Posted by: ed4 | Jul 11 2026 12:48 utc | 174 Great Lakes Observer 176 – yup Volo is wholely consistent with his ‘friends’ in the Israeli War Cabinet – Katz, Smotrich and Gvir (and of course Bibi), who claim that the Zionists are the ‘chosen people’ of God. And therefore can enslave all non believers! Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 11 2026 12:53 utc | 175 Don-Azov Canal -> how important is it? It seems Ukrainian strikes have closed the canal. Another report from Russia says traffic in the Kerch Strait is also shut down. Posted by: ed4 | Jul 11 2026 12:53 utc | 176 ed 4 179 – I would like them to be there, in Odessa this year, during the dry season, with a massive Operation Bagration combined arms attack (airborne, air – drone – aircraft, sea, and land) offensive. Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 11 2026 12:58 utc | 177 Posted by: ed4 | Jul 11 2026 12:53 utc | 181 Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 11 2026 13:00 utc | 178 ed4 Posted by: Jo | Jul 11 2026 14:31 utc | 179 @184 Posted by: paddy | Jul 11 2026 14:35 utc | 180 Gleaned from the Simplicius site. Melnichenko. An essay written by a Russian oligarch. Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 11 2026 14:43 utc | 181 @175 Posted by: paddy | Jul 11 2026 14:43 utc | 182 @ ed4 | Jul 11 2026 12:53 utc | 181 Posted by: robin | Jul 11 2026 14:58 utc | 183 “Hilarious and false, the Zionists have not been the ‘chosen people’” Posted by: Dalit | Jul 11 2026 16:05 utc | 184
It is the canal from Volga estuary Caspian Sea to Don, connecting Caspian and Black Sea over Azov Sea and Strait of Kerch. There have been some drone attacks on ships west of Taganrog in Azov Sea, that is why there is a temporary stop of traffic. Similar to the transports on highway R280, transports will be carried out in convoys protected by intercepter drones, helicopters and planes. This eases to identify the origin of those attacks and take out the terrorists. Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 11 2026 16:10 utc | 185 This operational success highlights a deeper structural reality: Russian engineers have solved the problem of neutralizing low-flying drones and cruise missiles. Rather than bankrupting their inventory by firing million-dollar interceptors at hundred-dollar plastic targets, Moscow has deployed a highly specialized, ultra-inexpensive technical architecture: the Redut-UR close-in defense system. Developed by the Kalashnikov Concern, this platform introduces a doctrine of absolute economic asymmetry, fundamentally invalidating the Western strategy of saturation. Posted by: Jo | Jul 11 2026 17:38 utc | 186
Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 11 2026 17:38 utc | 187
While I agree here, again, no reference, wtf is “Russia truth”? Certainly the Redut-UR is a capable system, see e.g. https://turdef.com/article/russia-develops-redut-ur-c-uas-system-emulating-tank-aps . It is far not the only one, there is also the Citadel 30mm autocannon ( https://tass.com/defense/2136151 ), and the already mentioned Rostec infantry ammonition.
Firepoint FP2/FP5 (“Liuty”) are the long range drones of Ukrainian “deep strikes”. It is easy to calculate that 100 of them cost 25 millions. Whether the 1 to 3 of them reaching any valuable target indeed cause that damage is hard to figure. And the 6.7 billions gifted by EU will be gone soon that way, more exactly the fraction not percolating in UA (and EU) corruption swamp. Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 11 2026 18:24 utc | 188 jackprandelli· 3h Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 11 2026 19:09 utc | 189 Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 11 2026 14:43 utc | 186
These four smack of the double down type of analysis made so easily by the Too Stupid. After all, they are writing for the Ecomnomist or occupying chairs at Universities. So it is pretty much guaranteed feminine publishing and academic hierarchies will enforce the “4 scenarios” as orthodoxy. Posted by: frithguild | Jul 11 2026 19:23 utc | 190 As predicted, Crimea is just Putin’s ultimate subscription trap. He’s going to keep throwing billions into the void, only for a $500 drone to turn his premium military gear into scrap metal. Posted by: DSM | Jul 11 2026 19:28 utc | 191 In May, the number of Ukrainian citizens with temporary protection status increased in 22 out of the 26 countries of the European Union, according to Eurostat.
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@ukr_leaks_eng Posted by: Jo | Jul 11 2026 19:48 utc | 192
Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 11 2026 19:56 utc | 193 UKR LEAKS_eng:We’re discussing Ukraine’s ability to launch strikes deep into Russia so that Moscow can see how difficult it is to defend its airspace, says US Secretary of State Rubio.@ukr_leaks_engUkraine plans to purchase 200,000 mid-range drones for the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the end of the year, according to Ukrainian media.Western allies of Kiev will provide half of this quantity.The remaining drones will be purchased by twenty of the most effective units, which will each receive 200 million UAH for this purpose.@ukr_leaks_eng
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🇷🇺 Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova reports:Over the past week, 308 Russian civilians were affected by Ukrainian Armed Forces attacks, with 38 people killed.@Slavyangrad Posted by: Jo | Jul 11 2026 20:10 utc | 194 Posted by: frithguild | Jul 11 2026 19:23 utc | 195 Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 11 2026 21:21 utc | 195 Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 11 2026 21:21 utc | 200 Posted by: frithguild | Jul 11 2026 22:13 utc | 196 In an interview conducted by Baab, Kujat give a beautifully clear exposition of the manner in which the “look no hands” missile attacks into Russia cross the line into becoming direct attacks from the West into Russia. Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 11 2026 22:17 utc | 197 Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 11 2026 22:17 utc | 202 Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 11 2026 22:26 utc | 198 Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 11 2026 16:10 utc | 190 “t is the canal from Volga estuary Caspian Sea to Don” Posted by: ed4 | Jul 11 2026 22:34 utc | 199 This is quite rather hilarious, if not prepostrous, we have one (of many) story of Russia destroying Drone factories in the Ukraine, and than we have another story of secret location in southern Germany of Drone factories shipping to the Ukraine. The LOGIC is quite baffling, of what exactly are the Russians even destroying that they so happily gloat daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, soon to be decadely. But whatever, go Russia, kick ass! and kill more brethrens and destroy/demolish the country you will rebuild. Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Jul 11 2026 22:46 utc | 200 |
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