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July 9, 2026
Ukraine Open Thread 2026-146
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Various reports summarising last nights anti-TCC disturbances, such as this one:
https://en.topwar.ru/285947-bunt-protiv-dejstvij-tck-vo-lvove-stjagivajutsja-novye-narjady-nacpolicii.html
Expect more incidents like this to occur, the TCC are thoroughly hated by Ukrainian civilians, and this is spilling over into contempt for the authorities in general. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 9 2026 14:50 utc | 1 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 9 2026 14:50 utc | 1 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 9 2026 14:57 utc | 2 Anya K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-n59XZp5Fc Posted by: unimperator | Jul 9 2026 15:04 utc | 3 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 9 2026 14:50 utc | 1 Posted by: frithguild | Jul 9 2026 15:09 utc | 4 Ukrainians could start taking their revenge on Europe soon too. They could cause all sort of havoc with drones across Europe. Posted by: Genesiss | Jul 9 2026 15:32 utc | 5 The second Pole put on the Bandera Ukroid kill list within a week.
https://x.com/EwaZajaczkowska/status/2075147332392198555 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 9 2026 15:59 utc | 6 Some analysis from a Ukrainian perspective:
https://regionews.ua/ukr/articles/1783603629-bunt-proti-ttsk-u-lvovi-chim-zagrozhuyut-ukrayini-podibni-protesti
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Interesting that the author notes there has been no reaction or comment from the Office of the President, a situation which remains current, the only reactions have come from local/regional authorities and the military themselves. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 9 2026 16:19 utc | 7 @7 Posted by: paddy | Jul 9 2026 16:27 utc | 8 The regime retains power with elections suspended bc US money would stop if a peace ticket could run. That alternative are not broached there is no democratic kiev Posted by: Genesiss | Jul 9 2026 16:38 utc | 9 ukraine is a failed state…. that much is obvious…. the usa and friends are good at creating failed states… there must be a lot of profit in failed states.. how goes it with libya, or syria, or iraq for that matter?? do they continue to profit off the breaking up of yugoslavia? we could go further back in time i suppose… how is the failed experiment in argentina going?? or israel, another failed state that continues to remain standing for the moment… Posted by: james | Jul 9 2026 16:42 utc | 10 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 9 2026 16:19 utc | 7IMHO, Ukraine will become the Libya of Europe. Posted by: The Far Side | Jul 9 2026 16:46 utc | 11 Serious follow-up question:What kind of asset would Trump be to Europe without this war in Ukraine? Posted by: Genesiss | Jul 9 2026 16:47 utc | 12 @ james, §10: Posted by: John Marks | Jul 9 2026 17:23 utc | 13 Posted by: Genesiss | Jul 9 2026 15:32 utc | 5 “Just wait until those battle-hardened—but disillusioned—soldiers finally come home from the front” Posted by: ed4 | Jul 9 2026 17:47 utc | 14 @ ed4 | Jul 9 2026 17:47 utc | 14 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 9 2026 17:51 utc | 15 The fact that Ukraine exists as an independent state indicates a high level of success… Posted by: Noam A Larkey | Jul 9 2026 18:01 utc | 16
The USSR had that experience, at a larger scale, after the Great Patriotic war, and before, after WWI and civil war. Is a difference between those and Uke disillusioned cannon fodder and frustrated Nazis and terrorists. Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 9 2026 18:11 utc | 17 “The fact that Ukraine exists as an independent state indicates a high level of success… Posted by: Dalit | Jul 9 2026 18:32 utc | 18
Can`t agree more, just to mention the achievement of more than halving the pre 2014 population. Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 9 2026 18:35 utc | 19 “Europe needs this war…” Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 9 2026 18:52 utc | 20 @ 1
Nestor Makhno, a figure who has been ridiculously incorporated into the pantheon of Ukrainian nationalism, would be absolutely proud. Here’s to the people resisting the state and to the party of anarchy. Posted by: fnord | Jul 9 2026 19:05 utc | 21 “it is almost like the purpose of western capitalism, an extension of western imperialism, is designed to destroy anyone that interferes with its self centered moneyed interests…” Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 9 2026 19:11 utc | 22 Campaign to take out AFU fuel stations in front areas continues. In Zaporozhye, Dnipro and Kharkov 8 fuel stations were hit over 24 hours. Posted by: unimperator | Jul 9 2026 19:27 utc | 23 Posted by: Noam A Larkey | Jul 9 2026 18:01 utc | 16 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 9 2026 19:31 utc | 24 If you want to quote the bible to the west, john marks, i think a more salient verse is: the lord abhors dishonest scales but accurate measures are his delight Posted by: E | Jul 9 2026 19:39 utc | 25 Europe can pauperise itself in preparation for a war but it cannot win such a war. Were such a war to ensue it will end up as a wasteland (with apologies to D. Thomas). Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 9 2026 19:48 utc | 26 Col. Daniel Davis with Commodore Steve Jermy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhUHpA8Efow Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 9 2026 19:48 utc | 27 Thanks to all who replied to my earlier query about Aaron Mate’s new book. Posted by: nuther steve | Jul 9 2026 19:51 utc | 28 @ 26 Posted by: fnord | Jul 9 2026 19:52 utc | 29 @ed4 #14 Posted by: Inevitability | Jul 9 2026 19:54 utc | 30 Ukraine was blessed with much of the same natural resources as that of its next door neighbour, yet despite the Russian Federation assuming the national debt of the Soviet satellite states at the time of the dissolution the USSR, corrupt failed state Ukraine pre-Maidan was already the poorest country in Europe. Posted by: nwwoods | Jul 9 2026 20:05 utc | 31 Posted by: fnord and the rest of “the crowd” Posted by: 667 | Jul 9 2026 20:05 utc | 32 @ John Marks | Jul 9 2026 17:23 utc | 13 Posted by: james | Jul 9 2026 20:11 utc | 33 Posted by: fnord | Jul 9 2026 19:52 utc | 29 Posted by: acementhead | Jul 9 2026 20:15 utc | 34 Posted by: unimperator | Jul 9 2026 19:27 utc | 23 “Campaign to take out AFU fuel stations in front areas continues. In Zaporozhye, Dnipro and Kharkov 8 fuel stations were hit over 24 hours.” Posted by: ed4 | Jul 9 2026 20:19 utc | 35 Sorry I spelled Eric Zuesse name incorrectly. I often do. Sorry Eric. Posted by: acementhead | Jul 9 2026 20:25 utc | 36 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 9 2026 19:48 utc | 27 Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 9 2026 20:30 utc | 37 Posted by: fnord | Jul 9 2026 19:52 utc | 29 Posted by: acementhead | Jul 9 2026 20:31 utc | 38 An hour of Wolff … Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 9 2026 20:35 utc | 39 It appears that Ukraine’s campaign to take out Russian refineries also continues. Posted by: acementhead | Jul 9 2026 20:37 utc | 40 Posted by: ed4 | Jul 9 2026 17:47 utc | 14 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 9 2026 20:51 utc | 41 Zelensky regime handed guns freely when the war started. Posted by: rk | Jul 9 2026 20:51 utc | 42 And just to keep the context at the forefront
was quoting from the writings of a Ukrainian journalist, not my thoughts (though I share a lot of the outlook). If he can see it, if I can see it, what explains the blind spot afflicting some barflies? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 9 2026 21:07 utc | 44 Rose Gottemoeller, a former deputy secretary-general of NATO, is claiming that Putin wanted to use tactical nukes on Ukraine in the fall of 2022.
Posted by: Mango KapaK | Jul 9 2026 21:10 utc | 45 Lots of good comments today, thanks everyone for those!
The problem with “all” and “none” statements is that they rarely hold in the real world. The quoted sentence is blatantly false: I know people who are afraid of Russia. Frankly, I’d say a significant portion of Western citizens think that “Russia is a threat to them”. That’s the weaker claim anyway and the more challenging question would be how many citizens believe that “Russia is going to attack”. That is definitely still not “nobody”.
As these messages are repeated over and over, they have an effect. Even though trust in EUropean politicians, governments and institutions is at an all-time low, fear of Russia is heavily drilled into EUropean brains. Most people do not have the leisure of spending a lot of time on non-mainstream media. Propaganda works. Posted by: Konami | Jul 9 2026 21:11 utc | 46 “it is almost like the purpose of western capitalism, an extension of western imperialism, is designed to destroy anyone that interferes with its self centered moneyed interests…” Posted by: james | Jul 9 2026 16:42 utc | 10 *** That same process is turning the Western countries themselves into failed states too. *** Posted by: frithguild | Jul 9 2026 21:11 utc | 47 Russian Ambassador Accuses Bulgaria of Supplying Ukraine Through NATO Arms Network Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 9 2026 21:18 utc | 48 Russia can’t even cross the Dniepr, I have no clue how any European can believe that Russia is an existential threat to their “garden”, especially after getting bogged down in this war. Posted by: karlton | Jul 9 2026 21:22 utc | 49 JET INFERNO Harvey Geh , Foreign News Reporter Published: 13:17, 9 Jul 2026
A NATO fighter jet has burst into flames mid-air and reportedly crash landed at a holiday hotspot airport in Greece. It is currently unclear what caused the Nato plane to burn mid-air. Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 9 2026 21:27 utc | 50
Who cares about the demented babble of that bitch? Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 9 2026 21:31 utc | 51 And in the interests of stirring things up further: how is Ukraine going to recapture Donbass, never mind retake Crimea, if it can’t even protect its own military recruitment officers from mob violence? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 9 2026 21:33 utc | 52 Col. Daniel Davis with Commodore Steve Jermy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhUHpA8Efow Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 9 2026 23:44 utc | 53 Propaganda works.
Posted by: acementhead | Jul 10 2026 0:08 utc | 54 Part One of my Two Part effort “How to Limit a Global Hegemon Without Expanded Kinetic War” is now available that provide a Chinese appraisal of their financial system and how it’s being employed to unhorse the hegemon. “Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 9 2026 23:44 utc | 53 “The Americans would not permit a first strike against Russia from Britain or France for that reason.” Posted by: ed4 | Jul 10 2026 0:23 utc | 56 Posted by: Mango KapaK | Jul 9 2026 21:10 utc | 45 “claiming that Putin wanted to use tactical nukes on Ukraine in the fall of 2022.” Posted by: ed4 | Jul 10 2026 0:32 utc | 57 *** But the propaganda to hate Russia didn’t start two years ago, it was well before that. *** Posted by: frithguild | Jul 10 2026 1:16 utc | 58
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 10 2026 1:48 utc | 59 @ Konami | Jul 9 2026 21:11 utc | 46 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 10 2026 1:51 utc | 60 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 10 2026 1:51 utc | 60
Depressingly, I know quite a few smart and knowledgeable Germans with doctorates Martyanov respects that fell hook and sinker for the propaganda. Posted by: Konami | Jul 10 2026 1:58 utc | 61 karlof @55 Posted by: nuther steve | Jul 10 2026 2:00 utc | 63 And speaking of rolling on the ground in laughter, this from ISW Toplines, first item: Posted by: frithguild | Jul 10 2026 2:02 utc | 64 The Nuclear Option Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 10 2026 2:06 utc | 65 *** Of course education, (analytical) intelligence and wisdom are mostly uncorrelated properties. *** Posted by: frithguild | Jul 10 2026 2:06 utc | 66 nuther steve | Jul 10 2026 2:00 utc | 63— The supposed assassin of Yermolayev in Monaco, a woman Anastasya Beresovska – was killed a few days later, after her return to Ukraine. The Berliner Zeitung reports that the regime there has difficult time to explain . Yermolayev was apparently not a friend of Selensky. Posted by: fanto | Jul 10 2026 2:32 utc | 68 Foreign mercs down!The Nazis of the Revanche Battalion keep taking lossesAccording to reports, they were laying landmines, and one went off, killing three of them. But it’s likely they just got caught in Russian landmines.Russia is purging all demons!🇧🇷 Guilherme de Freitas Pereira callsign Hacker from São Paulo, Brazil🇧🇷 Guilherme Bezerra Ávila callsign Dante from Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil🇦🇷 Matias Ariel Salinas from Buenos Aires, Argentina Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 10 2026 2:44 utc | 69 The topic of disunity in the Russian echelons of power is perhaps the reason why the spokesperson for VVP – Dimitri Peskov – is saying things today about how ‘Russia believes that US has desire for peaceful resolution of Ukraine conflict and that this is sincere’ – at about 10 minute – Posted by: fanto | Jul 10 2026 3:30 utc | 70 ▪️FSB officers thwarted another operation by Ukrainian and Western intelligence agencies. Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 10 2026 4:21 utc | 71 🇷🇺🇺🇦 × 🇨🇴 Posted by: MiniMO | Jul 10 2026 4:31 utc | 72 In the past I’ve wondered why so many complain about problems with posting comments. Posted by: nuther steve | Jul 10 2026 4:50 utc | 73 *** Overall, South Americans represent the highest casualty rate amongst all foreign fighters in Ukraine and the numbers arent even close. Posted by: frithguild | Jul 10 2026 5:15 utc | 74 Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 10 2026 3:15 utc | 72 Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 10 2026 6:12 utc | 75
Posted by: titmouse | Jul 10 2026 6:46 utc | 76 Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 10 2026 6:48 utc | 77 @78 look for Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 10 2026 7:00 utc | 79 Find him Ivan on X Posted by: Asian Tiger | Jul 10 2026 7:04 utc | 80 Ukraine and World Affairs (including Iran and ME): Weekly Update, 10th July 2026: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs (includes Iran/ME): Weekly Update Posted by: The Busker | Jul 10 2026 10:16 utc | 81 @84 Posted by: nuther steve | Jul 10 2026 10:51 utc | 82 ” … Military Keynesianism is appealing to Euro elites (Capital) to maintain power and keep the plebs in check with conscription …!” Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 10 2026 11:06 utc | 83 In my opinion, what Russia will do with remnant-Ukraine is use it as “anti-EU”, particularly “anti-Poland” and “anti-Germany”. Posted by: Asian Frog | Jul 10 2026 11:18 utc | 84
Posted by: Tel | Jul 10 2026 11:30 utc | 85 But war’s no friend to cold logic like that. What the Russians should do is wrap up the Ukrainian mess as best they can – that’s getting pretty close now – without allowing the wider conflict to escalate. What they might do, because emotion often over-rides logic during war, is say, to hell with it. We’ve taken all we’re going to take from the West. And, as Commodore Jermy outlines, do some more target practice with their fancy missiles. But this time on us. Going to be interesting to see which way they go. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 10 2026 12:14 utc | 86 @31 “In November 1994, World Bank negotiators were sent in to examine the overhaul of Ukraine’s agriculture. With trade liberalization (which was part of the economic package), US grain surpluses and “food aid” were dumped on the domestic market, contributing to destabilizing one of the World’s largest and most productive wheat economies, (e.g. comparable to that of the American Mid West). By 1998, the deregulation of the grain market had resulted in a decline in the production of grain by 45 percent in relation to its 1986-90 level. The collapse in livestock production, poultry and dairy products was even more dramatic. (See http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2003/cr03174.pdf ) The cumulative decline in GDP resulting from the IMF sponsored reforms was in excess of 60 percent (from 1992 to 1995).” Posted by: p3t3r | Jul 10 2026 12:51 utc | 87 An interesting piece in the “follow the money” school of thought… Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jul 10 2026 13:08 utc | 88 Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 10 2026 11:06 utc | 87 Posted by: Lesjeuxsontfaits | Jul 10 2026 13:09 utc | 89 *** The cumulative decline in GDP resulting from the IMF sponsored reforms was in excess of 60 percent (from 1992 to 1995). *** Posted by: frithguild | Jul 10 2026 13:12 utc | 90 …Three Readings For the Beach, Plus Sand Between the Pages Posted by: John Gilberts | Jul 10 2026 13:28 utc | 91
Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 10 2026 11:06 utc | 87
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 10 2026 12:14 utc | 90 Posted by: Hamburger | Jul 10 2026 13:35 utc | 92 96 – the only solution to this problem is an all out Bagration style offensive using all combined arms assets – airborne, sea and land ! Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 10 2026 13:42 utc | 93 RF naval forces are stepping up in the convoy style escorts in the Baltic Sea……a very good move, because attacks on RF tankers will only increase as NATO desperation reaches even higher levels. Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 10 2026 13:49 utc | 94 This one hasn’t passed the news blockade, but large enough that the highest levels have acknowledged its existence. Posted by: frithguild | Jul 10 2026 13:56 utc | 95 “The attacks will not stop, they will increase in severity, that is guaranteed. Russia can not afford to get weakened. The weaker it becomes, the more it invites aggression. …” Posted by: spudski | Jul 10 2026 13:58 utc | 96 @Tobias Cole Posted by: Lesjeuxsontfaits | Jul 10 2026 14:05 utc | 97 Clashes in Ukraine’s Liviv Reuters Posted by: frithguild | Jul 10 2026 15:19 utc | 98
This is the Khrushchev fallacy, or more exactly lie about Stalin. Read Domenico Losurdo’s https://www.iskrabooks.org/books/p/losurdo-stalin-history-and-critique Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 10 2026 15:43 utc | 99 “Ukraine license to build Patriot missiles and the function of Starlink to detriment of Russia in the war.” Posted by: kupkee | Jul 10 2026 16:18 utc | 100 |
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