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English Outsider: Why Europe’s Provocation Of Russia Is Likely To Fail
by English Outsider
lifted from a comment
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“My prognosis and I hope I’m wrong: EU will find ways to send drones/missiles into Russia until they get Russia to react in the same way. A Russian missile hitting a German factory, say, is a *good* event for Brussels. I believe they have the intention and the tools to achieve that.”
Posted by: Konami | Jul 1 2026 8:35 utc | 317
Yes. They need some more “unprovoked Russian aggression”. Then the European populations will get behind Cold War II. We’ll have to tighten our belts to pay for it but will do so willingly given the “Russian menace”. Who cares about potholes when the enemy is in plain view?
Can’t see it working. The Russians have too many options, military and economic. This is not 2022.
It’s true that up until early ’22 the Russians had a range of options as well as a reply to NATO aggression. They could have used economic levers or diplomatic. Or they could just have waited it out: both the USA and Germany, the only significant players in the West, were going downhill fast and were plagued with internal problems.
So there was no need for the SMO. No need for military action as a response to NATO aggression. Leave it a while, let Putin and Lavrov hold the fort with the diplomatic stuff, and the problem of NATO aggression would sort itself out. Except – the Kiev forces were mustering on the LoC and there were no economic or diplomatic options open to the Russians that would ward of that threat. Only direct and forceful military action would serve.
So in 2022 we had succeeded in narrowing down the range of options open to the Russians to one. Use of overt military force. Not only had we forced the Russians to that one option of the use of military force. Once the Russians had resorted to military force a battery of sanctions could be imposed to bring them to their knees.
But that’s not going to work again and the Western powers are foolish to expect it to. We should be aware of the reasons for that.
First, we forget what a shock the Russian military action in 2022 was. The Russians had virtually no international diplomatic support for that military action and very many within Russian itself were appalled. It took a couple of years for that to change. Today, in 2026, if the Russians respond forcefully to the current provocations, most of the non-Western countries will know why and although they may be too scared of the West to actively support the Russians, there are none I think that will now be actively opposed. When it comes to world opinion the position is therefore quite different from the position in 2022.
That’s important to the Russians. It’s the non-Western countries they want good trading relations with, not us. The fight for hearts and minds, the “information war”, has been comprehensively won by the West within the West. Not outside the West.
Worth a digression here, to look at quite how comprehensively the West has won the information war as far as we Westerners are concerned. There are a few isolated bubbles of dissidence like “b’s” blog and similar blogs in the States but for most in the West, the Russians are the baddies and such opposition to fighting them as there is does not spring from any conviction the Russians are in the right. Merely from the pragmatic consideration that though we’re in the right, we’re losing.
There is little noble moral conviction in the West behind popular opposition to the war. Merely the recognition that in fighting the Russians we’re not harming them as much as harming ourselves. Weidel or Wagenknecht do not say publicly, and dare not say, “We’re in the wrong. We should recognise that and mend fences”. They say only “We cannot afford this war and it’s harming us.”
Though to be fair I’ve heard La Fontaine hinting at the first position. But do such as he have any traction in current German politics? You’re the expert on German politics but to this outsider, it doesn’t seem that he does. We have to recognise that the Merz/von der Leyen position is more morally consistent than Weidel’s. Given that Merz and von der Leyen assert the Russians are 100% in the wrong, what else can we do but resist the Russians with all the means we have and no matter the cost?
That digression’s important because until we in the West do recognise that this war was forced on the Russians by us, that it’s the Russians who are in the right and we in the wrong, there is no moral basis to opposition to it. But it’s not important outside the West. As far as they’re concerned we’re a bunch of rogues and as far as they dare – though they don’t dare very much in most cases – they support the Russians in trying to hold us in check.
That was not how they felt in 2022. So the difference between 2022 and now is that back then we were the winners in the information war. In 2026, and outside the West, we’re now the all time losers. That was how non-Western opinion was swinging well before Gaza and Iran and of course, after Gaza and Iran it’s case closed for I think all non-Western countries. We are now indisputably the baddies.
The second consideration is the economic. In 2022, and for all but a few oddballs and dissidents, we looked to be set fair to bring Russian to it’s knees with sanctions. Don’t need any lengthy digressions to see the change there. The Russian economy still has a few wobbly bits but in general, the sanctions have enabled them to strengthen their economy to a degree unimaginable in 2022. In 2026 it’s us the sanctions war is hitting. Hard.
Hence our attacking Russia with drones and missiles to, as you say, attempt to force a response. That’s the West’s Hail Mary. But this is not 2022. Then, the Russian options were narrowed down to one and they had no choice but to take that option. Today, they have an entire menu of options in response to NATO aggression and no need to worry about what their new trading partners think of it all. Unless we’re in the Hamish de Bretton-Gordon camp and still hope to bring Russia to it’s knees (and even that camp knows they’re punching air) all we can do is sit and wait, to see which option the Russians choose.
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My money’s not on the Karaganov option. More on what we can call here on “b’s” site the JR-L option. Ukraine is penetrated through and through with Russian Intel. It has an underground resistance just waiting for the word. Popular dissatisfaction with the Kiev regime is gathering force. And even a couple of years ago there were local regime officials wanting to mend fences with the Russians before it was too late.
Kiev is not Berlin 1945, holding fast until the very last days in the bunker. More like Kabul 2021. If that Kabul scenario evolves much further, the West’s Hail Mary will be a damp squib. There will be no proxy territory to launch drones and missiles from.
‘The Banksters want the natural resources inside Russia to become collateral for privileged debt as currency loans like the Federal Reserve System, and inevitably the Banksters will then own Russia, it’s part of the world and it’s populations labor.’
This is why it is impossible to take Putin’s ‘Russian Nationalism’ seriously when Dmitriev’s position in the inner circle is as close to ‘all-powerful’ as one can get.
Dmitriev runs the ‘Russian Direct Inveestmnt Fund’ and his wife works for Katerina Tikhonova – Putin’s daugher!
Question: ‘So, what’s your view of the peace agreement in the Middle East with Palestinians and Israel?’
Dmitirev: ‘Yeah, I think, uh…by the way, Steven Witkoff, Jared Kushner, Marco Rubio, President Trump team did something nobody believed they would do…
The fact that you had hostages come back, that Hamas seems to be holding on to this agreement is really a historic accomplishment.
And it was done – you know, many people believe by lots of pressuring – but really it was done by listening to and understanding the concerns of each party.
And by the way Jared Kushner is one of the people who started this even in 2017-2018 when he started working on the Abraham Accords when he started to get this idea of how do we get Israel to work better with Arab nations and nobody believed he woudl be able to do it.
People would totally think it doesn’t work but they proved the result.
So I think President Putin – by the way yesterday he basically expressed his very positive view of the Gaza Peace Plan that President Trump has done.
So once again we believe it’s a huge accomplishment by the Trump team.
And it’s interesting that you talk about implementation because one of the things that Trump did here that was unqiue is he put a Muslim face on the deal by giving it over to Erdogan of Turkey and also by holding the meetings in Egypt wih Al-Sisi the Egyptian president.
And so now implementation in the day-to-day sense falls within the Arab world.
Well, I think they brought the Arab world together and, by the way, the Arab world has grown significantly and we are very big friends with the Arab world.’
https://youtu.be/FJNVJgirmCU?t=1604
https://www.weforum.org/people/kirill-dmitriev/
So, Dmitiriev is Putin is Russia is ‘Israel’ …
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And now for something completely different [or not?]
https://youtu.be/yuJqidKLncg?t=126
[these people are everywhere….they are not just ‘the west’ and its ‘imperialists’]
Posted by: Agonizing Reappraisal | Jul 1 2026 17:57 utc | 31
Some Background on Requiem linked above:
The Cappella Russian Male Chorus – Nicholas Afonsky, conductor The Burial Service of the Orthodox Church was composed by a great theologian who also was a great poet and ascetic, St. John of Damascus.
It is a magnificent poem, at once highly lyrical and dramatic, a poem of faith and hope. But lyricism is controlled and guided by a profound theological insight. Human emotions are transcended by a vision of the Divine mystery, and in the same mystery the human drama finds its katharsis and solution. “I weep and I lament, when I think about death and behold our beauty, shaped in the image of God, lying in the grave and exposed to corruption.”
It is a mystery indeed, and a riddle. Man was created by God for life, God did not create death. Death crept into creation by a transgression of God’s will and commandments. Death is, in the phrase of St. Paul, “the wages of sin.” Death is a paradox, a flagrant contradiction. A creature adorned by the image of Divine Glory has become the prey of worms, and yet even in this state of corruption man retains the Divine image.
As St. John of Damascus puts it, “I am an image of Thy ineffable glory, even though I bear the sting of transgressions.” This constitutes the mystery and the paradox. The human sorrow is mingled with and overruled by this sense of mystery, in which human destiny is so deeply involved. But now, this mystery has been superseded and transcended by a greater mystery, more awful and unfathomable. The mystery of human death has been subsumed by the mystery of Christ’s death, of the redeeming death of the Cross.
The death of Christ was the end of death. By His death Christ destroyed death, “trampling down death by death.”
The Cross of Christ has become a new and everlasting Tree of Life, more powerful than the ancient tree of Eden. And the Holy Sepulchre, the grave of Christ, is a perennial spring of life for all men. “I was dead, and I live again, and I have the keys of death and Hades.” In the light of Christ’s death the human death assumes a new meaning. It ceases to be an the inescapable impasse of frustration. It is illumined and transcended by the hope of Resurrection.
By the power of the Cross the grace of New Life has been bestowed upon the whole of humanity. The tragedy of death has been resolved. “Blessed are those who die in the Lord, for their souls will be established in good mansions.” The hopelessness of human sorrow is overcome by the vision of Resurrection. There is no room for despair.
We still weep and lament. We are aware of our human frailty. But we are also aware of Christ’s victory and mercy. Christ is the life, and resurrection, and rest of His departed servants. In Him they have and find eternal rest. In the world we still have tribulations. But we also know that Christ has overcome the world. This calms our sorrow. This calms our mortal anguish. For we are called to enter into the joy of the Master.
Our prayers for the departed are more than cries of mourning. They are witnessing to the mystery of the Heavenly Rest. “Blessed in the journey, which though now enterest, o soul, for a place of rest has been prepared for thee.” This conveys a peculiar ciaracter of solemnity and sobriety to all our thoughts and words about death.
The imagery we use is still biblical. All images were moulded and shaped by people who lived in a desolate world, just on the border of wilderness and desert, with its devastating heat, which paralyses human energy and kills life. Life was possible but in oases, with their springs or wells of living water, with ever green trees.
In the language of the early Christians, the land of the living was accordingly described as a Heavenly Oasis, as a new garden of Eden, with inexhaustible wells and springs, as a place of eternal verdure, as a refrigeriuin, i.e., a cool place. We pray that the deceased may be received into these mansions of perennial freshness, ever green, abundantly supplied with the living water.
And we pray with assurance, for Christ is Himself a spring of living water, running into eternity.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 1 2026 19:24 utc | 53
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
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‘The argument feels like a Hail Mary pass based on a theory of Russian strength and Western weakness that is not supported by the available evidence. The comment relies on a narrative from early 2022 that has not held up.
It is reminiscent of the unfulfilled hopes for Hamas and the Resistance bringing Israel to heel during the Gaza genocide.
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.’
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Vladimir Putin, end of January of this year:
‘I would like to note that our relations are developing today despite all the difficulties associated with the situation in the region.
Of course, in absolute terms, our trade turnover remains modest so far, but the upward trend is evident – trade has increased threefold.
We continue cooperation in the humanitarian sphere as well, including the training of personnel for Palestine.
This year, 150 young Palestinians are studying – and will continue to study – at Russian universities and other educational institutions.
Naturally, security issues are among the most important topics.
You know that during the most difficult periods of the crisis in Gaza, we provided humanitarian assistance – and did so primarily at your request.
Over 800 tonnes of cargo were delivered to the Gaza Strip, around 32 humanitarian operations were carried out, wheat was supplied both directly and through international organizations, again at your request.
Of course, today we will also discuss the current situation in the Gaza Strip, in Palestine as a whole, and along the Israeli-Palestinian track.
We will also address the initiative of the US President concerning the creation of a new structure which, judging by what we see, is primarily aimed at settling the situation in Palestine and the Gaza Strip.
You may have heard that we are prepared to allocate $1 billion to this new structure – the “Board of Peace” – first and foremost to support the Palestinian people, to channel these funds into the reconstruction of Gaza and, more broadly, into addressing Palestine’s problems.
As I have already said, these funds would come from assets frozen in the US under the previous administration.
I believe this is quite feasible.
We have discussed such options before with representatives of the US administration, a meeting and discussion on this matter are scheduled to take place in Moscow today.’
https://www.facebook.com/MIDRussia/posts/pfbid02TB3phKS5RUD8YGuJiv9CFQ3qnfZhFfG9LxQi7ZXU3ooKhJGHRerfnyqGw5mYcAHAl
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Israel is dropping bombs on tents full of civilians in Khan Younis — in the middle of the night as families sleep.
There is no refuge left in Gaza
https://x.com/sahouraxo/status/2071712310691832299
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Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
Israel persists while there is no longer a Gaza thread here.
Posted by: Agonizing Reappraisal | Jul 1 2026 23:22 utc | 94
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