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June 11, 2026
Open (Not Ukraine or Iran) Thread 2026-121

News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Iran …

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A few thoughts on Carmelo Anthony or The Reason Many Think the black Community is Run by Idiots.
 https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/why-people-think-the-black-community
 

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Jun 11 2026 14:15 utc | 1

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Jun 11 2026 14:15 utc | 1
 
Could care less about racism and the “black community” but chasing someone you SUSPECT of shoplifting and shooting them in the back off your property is murder. The trial came to the wrong result.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2026 15:06 utc | 2

TQC – Apparently, the kid had a loaded weapon and pointed it at the shooter’s son during the chase, so the jury believed it was self defense in the end. The State’s case was built on the idea that the store owner (and his son) shouldn’t have been chasing the suspected thief in the first place. But that argument is also problematic and was not bought by the jury. The shooter served three years waiting for trial, so he definitely did some time. 
 
I tend to trust juries … it’s one of the few real vestiges of popular involvement in government we have left and the public’s ability to put their thumb on the scale. Looking forward to what the United CEO murder jury does … 

Posted by: Caliman | Jun 11 2026 15:46 utc | 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dgVOsC4Ejg
Dozens of girls emerge from drain after wandering into tunnel on school trip CBS New York
 
what’s in the sewage kids? what’s in the storm water?
 
It terrifies the adults that you’ll smell it. see that Big Mac floating by? nice moo cow.

Posted by: duck n cover | Jun 11 2026 16:10 utc | 4

Border control problems , visa problems , ticket price problem , Giani Infantino being Giani …; it have not even started but the FIFA World Cup in the US is already a train wreck.
I will revert my previous statement : “football : when war is not enough anymore.”

Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 11 2026 16:59 utc | 5

World’s last FIFA? don’t let a little genocide in the global Gestapo gauntlet stop you. Russians are banned in LA and bombed in Moscow. decency is triumphing.

Posted by: duck n cover | Jun 11 2026 17:22 utc | 6

Europe – through Ukraine – has cut off oil to Hungary before the elections, and opened the tap after Orban had lost. Perhaps the EU’s behavior towards Hungary could be a precedent for Russia’s behavior towards Armenia?

Posted by: The Far Side | Jun 11 2026 17:23 utc | 7

When’s the netball starting?

Posted by: lachaussette | Jun 11 2026 17:29 utc | 8

Do any Barflies believe that there are advanced Alien cultures elsewhere in the Universe, close enough to Earth to visit us occasionally?
 
I believe Earth is in a bubble with a radius of at least 100 light years in which no other life exists.
 

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 11 2026 17:52 utc | 9

Precious metals bounce and oil falls on headline of Trump postponing attacks on Iran. But it has more to do with tactical positioning of financial institutions closing gold shorts and flipping oil to short ahead of headlines. This will probably reverse again next week.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 11 2026 18:17 utc | 10

‘Do any Barflies believe that there are advanced Alien cultures elsewhere in the Universe, close enough to Earth to visit us occasionally?’

My own feeling on the UFO-alien stuff is that it’s all a cover for the deep state-military.

It allows them to test all their various war machines while using that as a convenient distraction for the masses.

It also benefits them in that, to believers, they can be see as people with some authority versus the averaage joe who may have interacted with the ‘aliens’ which thus allows them to ultimately control the narrative.

They can also be seen to be protecting us from evil or simply unknown extraterrestrials.

It’s a circle that always benefits them which is how power operates.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/B-21-in-flight.jpg/960px-B-21-in-flight.jpg

Posted by: Agonizing Reappraisal | Jun 11 2026 18:21 utc | 11

‘World Cup of Exclusion’ Begins
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2avTf3IZXo
 
“Amid US visa restrictions, high ticket costs & Iran war.”
 
Boycott.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jun 11 2026 18:28 utc | 12

If a steady stream of fake news is pumped out over next few months, gold has a chance to go back to $5k.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 11 2026 18:43 utc | 13

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are on a collison course. There have been reports that Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “no longer friends”. David Hearst (“Middle EAst Eye”) provides more details about what’s going on. UAE wanted to encirlcle Saudi Arabia with their support for the civilwar in Sudan, Yemen and Somaliland. And yes, Israel is also involved in “this project”. Israel is busy building military bases in Somaliland. Israel is also building military bases in the UAE ?????
 
David Hearst explains:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ7FTBEvjh0  (length: 11 minutes)

Posted by: WMG | Jun 11 2026 19:29 utc | 14

💢 Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić announced that he might resign as head of state and run for the position of Prime Minister of the Republic, as he stated on Radio Belgrade.
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Posted by: Jo | Jun 11 2026 21:45 utc | 15

russia is completely absent from the AI and robotics revolution. stanford ranked them 28th out of 36 countries. 80% of their top AI engineers left. their GPU imports collapsed by 84%.
 
this is the overlooked consequence of the war in ukraine. while everyone focuses on the battlefield, russia’s tech base is evaporating. china has completely replaced them on stage as the main competitor to the US in AI.
 
russia is literally missing an entire revolution. the war didn’t just cost them money, it is costing them the future.

Posted by: S Cardillo | Jun 11 2026 21:54 utc | 16

Russia doesn’t have to be the pioneer in everything. No nation has to. It can augment stuff in some areas with Chinese, Indian or whose ever tech.
 
Speak of the EU who is spared from the war (physically, but not economically or socially), who boasted of regulating AI, innovating AI and investing AI and kicking out US tech companies. Only to announce that Google accounts are going to form the basis of everything and digital ID in EU. And not having basically any fundamental AI companies at all.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 11 2026 22:06 utc | 17

@ 16

AI and robotics revolution

I’ll believe it when it shows up in the productivity statistics. The US manufacturing sector is already heavily robot-ized. No, not with humanoid robots, because those are foibles of software capitalists who believe in things like “the technological singularity”. Those are not useful in manufacturing settings. “AI”, ditto, if we’re talking about large language models, and not, you know, the statistical models that enable some industrial automation. Russia’s industrial economy is doing fine and development has been spurred by military spending, which will trickle out to the consumer economy with time, as I’m sure it already is. The innovations on the battlefield also tend to diffuse into civilian industries.

the war didn’t just cost them money, it is costing them the future.

No one knows what the future holds. The people who claim to be “building the future” are invariably grifters looking for government (i.e. military) funding, often for products that don’t work. People should be less concerned with speculative futures and more concerned with the problems of the present.

Posted by: fnord | Jun 11 2026 22:10 utc | 18

By the way, the gulf of Persia is heating up even more and reportedly all ships including tankers are suffering from barnacles.
 
Barnacles grow on the hull of the ship and significantly increase drag. So whenever those ships get to leave, they might be spending twice as much or more time to reach a destination.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 11 2026 22:13 utc | 19

I tend to trust juries … it’s one of the few real vestiges of popular involvement in government we have left and the public’s ability to put their thumb on the scale. Looking forward to what the United CEO murder jury does … 
Posted by: Caliman | Jun 11 2026 15:46 utc | 3
 
Having sat one one, and my wife and other family members too, I don’t trust juries at all but it depends on the nature of the case and where in the US the jury is empaneled. 
 
Here’s a much higher level on juries getting it wrong than I had in mind, but is accurate: https://freemansperspective.com/jury-justice-trial/
 
Manipulating juries is incredibly easy for judges to do. And speaking of, I just saw this re: a judge in the UK doing just that in the case against the Palestine Action activists. 
 
https://jonathancook.substack.com/p/legal-profession-revolt-against-the

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2026 22:20 utc | 20

Posted by: Agonizing Reappraisal | Jun 11 2026 18:21 utc | 11
 
Agree, and if in fact there are aliens no matter how advanced living among us, they’ve been here for a LONG TIME. Also, given the known physical impediments to interstellar/intergalactic travel, it’s akin to traveling (long distances) in time.  I don’t keep up with the topic but TMK there have been no theoretical ‘breakthroughs’ in the recent past that would suffice to explain for a method capable of bringing any space faring civilization into contact with ours. If anyone is aware of them I’m open to learning. Worm holes, bending spacetime etc. are ideas but AFAIK there is no physical proof that they exist. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2026 22:24 utc | 21

Regarding the link I posted about juries getting it wrong, I think that in some states the verdict doesn’t have to be unanimous. Also that there are a few states with 9 member juries rather than 12. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2026 22:30 utc | 22

@21 TomQ

“I don’t keep up with the topic but TMK there have been no theoretical ‘breakthroughs’ in the recent past that would suffice to explain for a method capable of bringing any space faring civilization into contact with ours.”

A very human-centric view ….earthling.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 11 2026 22:38 utc | 23

America! Fuck Yeah!
 
This clip sums up that shithole pretty well. Remember these are supposed to be the “functional” adults.
Telegram: View @myLordBebo

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 11 2026 22:45 utc | 24

Apparently the UK is going to run out of sterling 
 
If you believe the western media that is.
 
 
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=63226
 
 
The comment section is excellent. Couldn’t have put it better myself. That’s at least 5 years of study given away free right there.

Posted by: Andrew | Jun 11 2026 22:53 utc | 25

The BBC and SKY have been doing somersaults and doing back flips through hoops for 48 hours.
 
It has been hilarious to watch.
 
Trying to explain to the sheep how the UK can fund the military.  They can’t tell the truth,  that they can just pass a spending bill in parliament and keystroke sterling into existence.
 
So they came up with fairy tale after fairy tale to try and catch the sheep in their headlights. It probably worked as well. 
 
With no mention whatsoever about skills, resources and productive capacity. It was all about non sensical deficits, debts and tax payers money.
 
The usual bullshit to hypnotise the sheep.
 
 
This explains their fairytales perfectly and their 3 card monte played out in front of the British public.
 
 
https://new-wayland.com/blog/halligans-martian-economics/
 
 

Posted by: Andrew | Jun 11 2026 23:04 utc | 26

contd. from previous Open thread ….
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 10 2026 23:35 utc | 202 Language emerges from local collective ‘Lifeworlds’ (Husserl, Habermas) – it is what raises us out of nature (Habermas) – escaping the limits of the philosophy of consciousness – gets us to human interaction – communication (both verbal and non-verbal) – the concept of mutual understanding – hermeneutics – the communicative relation [stress on relation] and validity claims (objective, social, subjective) within communicative action which makes the emerging memorandum of understanding (MOU) between IRI and USA of empirical interest as to the actual level of understanding possible as the latter appears to be very ignorant of the former’s Lifeworld, which is not the case for the former, between these two as they lack a ‘common language’, other than war. An Irishman thinking like a German leads to sentences, and copious flavouring clauses, which at their limits strive to finally reach a full stop. 
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 11 2026 23:22 utc | 216

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 11 2026 23:23 utc | 27

urveillance:
In the US now, the NSA apparently does not require a warrant to surveil anybody’s communications; 4th Amendment be damned. I am curious how prevalent spying on citizens within Russia is now. Do they need to obtain a warrant after justifying their desire before some authority and specifying what they seek to discover? Please enlighten me. TIA

Posted by: Samu | Jun 11 2026 23:28 utc | 28

A very human-centric view ….earthling.
Posted by: Ornot | Jun 11 2026 22:38 utc | 23
 
LOL, well guilty as charged of course. Does a fish even know what water is? But it would take a fundamental rewriting of certain (often just theoretical) laws of physics. 
 
 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2026 0:14 utc | 29

India’s official political opposition parties are in disarray after one of its chief components, the Trinamool Congress, spectacularly disintegrated after an election defeat to Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party in the state of West Bengal. The Indian opposition parties in any case are worse than useless, which is why the Modi regime can easily buy components of it and stay in power. As a response a youth-based movement called the Cockroach Janata Party has taken off, but whether it’s real or an astroturfed fake controlled opposition is still to be seen. 
 
In any case, what this means is that Modi won’t be voted out of power anytime soon, no matter how incompetently it rules.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Jun 12 2026 0:29 utc | 30

@29 Tom

That is the thing though, and I thought of that after posting:

The view you offer is based only on the ‘long distance’ physical transfer of a living creature.

Whether that is possible is just one question. You will probably think I hang out with weirdos, and you might be right:

A friend was walking along the waterline of a beach, and a person walking in front placed a rock down and continued walking. He picked it up and is certain that it is a crystalised extraterrestrial (it was a veeeery unusual rock) .

Another person I knew had a ‘fragment of a spaceship’ found at a crash site in south america. Sure. Except the account of the person wbo found it (present) is not easily explained at all.

Then there is ‘astral travel’ or telepathic visit, some are sure this is occuring.

Others think extraterrestrials are being born to humans knowingly.

When viewed solely from the material perspective, and physical law might be correct as far as it goes, well you see some of the differences possible.

If there is an idea to physical law, it is to provide certainty, explainability in a form that coincides in a mechanical sense, hence repeatable. This is useful and an understandable pursuit. Start introducing other concepts that are outside of its explaining though, and it ‘freaks out’.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2026 0:54 utc | 31

The Northern Sea Route is the main topic of the Glenn Diessen-Henry Tillman chat that provides important information about it and various recent trade deals related to it and energy generally. Provides a needed respite from all the war talk.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 12 2026 1:08 utc | 32

I think this is the place to talk about music and feelings. 
 
So. I remember this from 30 years ago. I expect wyou appreciate:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1G9D8A4Fiw&list=RDCamAhPeYoC8&index=9 

Posted by: Vallari | Jun 12 2026 1:15 utc | 33

Language is a personality or manner, that is only properly known by drinking from the well of its people or society.

Touch communicates, but language refers to tongue, which is the shaping of sound.

Although sound is used to express oneself, it does also touch or affect the listener, as they experience some of what the speaker is.

When the listener cannot decipher what is being said, they catch the sense but not the meaning. Although the sense and meaning are interelated, they are received at different levels, the meaning giving definition to the sense.

For example simple colours placed on a canvas compared to shaped into details of a picture.

With language though, each language has details shaped in a unique way, has details which only exist in that language.

When learning or studying more closely related languages, it becomes very evident how languages take on the character of the people or society they are from. Even imposed languages spoken for hundreds of years still become ‘vulgar’ and adapt to local manner.

With academic learning, the detail is provided, but not the sense found amongst native speakers, which only properly exists in real world setting. It cannot be reproduced synthetically, it is a living reality.

Fawlty Towers…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RoCslBHMDfM

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2026 2:18 utc | 34

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2026 2:18 utc | 34
 
Talk to persiflo in his Avanted
 

Posted by: Valllir | Jun 12 2026 2:21 utc | 35

What I have obvious is that all of this written commitment is going to be  a problem when you will try to disengage of your life. Because, as persiflo says, but does not live, the awareness is something that we have but never experiences.
 
Even the little life has something to say in this human mess:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86URGgqONvA&list=RDWxnN05vOuSM&index=3
 

Posted by: Valllir | Jun 12 2026 2:32 utc | 36

Do you guys watch this year Fifa world cup ? Soccer is the global religion of sport. It’s a pretty big deal around the world.

Posted by: KillerDoll | Jun 12 2026 2:34 utc | 37

language is a tool 
climbing a flowering fig tree
i rested on a branch 
shaped like the letter v
trying to overcome my thoughts 
confessions of a fool
 

Posted by: Upsidedowndingo | Jun 12 2026 3:35 utc | 38

Free movies via streamimdb . ru ?
 
 
 
Matty McTech @setupspawn
 
“Do Not Do This!
 
1. Do not go to IMDB and find a movie or tv you want to watch.
 
2. Do not then click on the URL and type “play” before the imdb. (playimdb.com/title….) and press Enter ”
 
https://x.com/setupspawn/status/2064912147960791103
 
 
Seems to work. Re-directs to a video stream of the movie searched, streamed from the ‘.ru’ site above.
 
Hopefully whoever is running that .ru site is at least partially de-monetizing some evil thing or other.
 

Posted by: GreatLakesObserver | Jun 12 2026 4:34 utc | 39

Ahem.
 
Apparently I’m no longer banned here. But I was.
 
Just want to share this with y’all. I was banned because I was guilty of the crime of responding to, for lack of a better term, the recurring troll here. Guilty as charged. B told me that “the dude who was feeding the troll was YOU”, and indeed it was.
 
So I’m posting this as advice: don’t do that. I’ve learned my lesson and won’t be responding to that … whatever again.
 
It’s easy to fall into that trap, because they sometimes post stuff that is reasonable. However, all that leads to is more useless back and forth cluttering up the bar. And it should be easy enough to identify this recurrent … whatever, because their posting style is pretty hard to miss. There are lots of tells.
 
Now back to normal, hopefully informative posting.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jun 12 2026 5:21 utc | 40

Re: World Cup
 
Da’ wife and I watched the mexico match, our Household will boycott the rest. 

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 5:21 utc | 41

Da’ wife and I watched the mexico match, our Household will boycott the rest. 

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 5:21 utc | 43

I boycott the rest and only watch the last semi finals because 48 teams world cup is a lot of matches

Posted by: KillerDoll | Jun 12 2026 5:30 utc | 42

Two Japanese companies, Kanto Denka and Central Glass, have formally notified major clients—including Samsung, SK Hynix, and TSMC—that they will permanently cease production of tungsten hexafluoride starting July 1, 2026.
 
The core reason for the shutdown is a disruption in raw material supply.
Between 60% and 70% of the production cost of tungsten hexafluoride comes from high-purity tungsten powder, a material Japan is almost entirely dependent on China for.
 
Following China’s tightening of tungsten export controls in early 2026, shipments of high-purity tungsten powder to Japan have effectively dropped to zero.
 
The Japanese companies managed to keep production going for about five months by drawing down stockpiles, but ultimately failed to secure an alternative source.
 
https://xcancel.com/tphuang/status/2064459113594015838

>… Nikkei Asia
Jun 9
US asks China to resume rare-earth exports to Japan s.nikkei.com/49QF48p
 
 
>… Japan Shuts Down 25% of Global WF6 Capacity: A Major Supply Chain Blow – ChemNet
From January 2026, China’s high-purity tungsten powder exports to Japan have basically disappeared.
 
60% to 70% of the production cost of tungsten hexafluoride comes from tungsten powder, which has increased by about 325% year-on-year. Japanese companies have endured a five-month inventory, but they couldn’t wait for the alternative raw material to be implemented.
 
————
news.chemnet.com/news-6286.h…
Jun 11, 2026 · 6:57 PM UTC
 
 

From January 2026, China’s high-purity tungsten powder exports to Japan have basically disappeared.
60% to 70% of the production cost of tungsten hexafluoride comes from tungsten powder, which has increased by about 325% year-on-year. Japanese companies have endured a five-month inventory, but they couldn’t wait for the alternative raw material to be implemented.
After July 1st, the global annual capacity of tungsten hexafluoride directly evaporated about 2200 tons, and the industry calculated that the supply gap in the second half of the year will reach 2000 tons.
The name tungsten hexafluoride is one that most people have never heard of.
But it has a less romantic nickname—— “Chip blood”.
In the manufacturing of advanced processes below 7nm, 3D NAND with more than 200 layers of three-dimensional stacking, and HBM high-bandwidth memory, it is the core material of chemical vapor deposition process, which is used to deposit tungsten metal film in nano-level gaps, to construct the circuit interconnection inside the chip.
There is no mature alternative material at present.
Some 80 percent of global tungsten resources and refining capacity are concentrated in China.
 
 
Japan’s domestic territory almost does not contain tungsten mines, and more than 80% of its tungsten products rely on imports from China, and the dependence on high-purity tungsten materials for high-end military and semiconductor is more than 90%.

 
 

When China tightened its export controls, Japan’s line for making tungsten hexafluoride, a key ingredient in making memory chips, crumbled like a skyscraper with its foundation removed.

 
 

From a pure technical and economic perspective, the chain is clear: China does the regulation → Japan can’t get the raw materials → Japanese companies shut down → Global supply gap widens → Prices rise → Industry turmoil.
But this clear chain of technical and economic links simply hides the really difficult problems.

 
Recommend reading article. ^^It’s interesting. ……… And I imagine, just the beginning of the collapse of global supply chains for all sorts of items that no one outside specific industries has ever given a single synapse about… until, suddenly, one day, it all came to a screeching stop…..
 
 
https://news.chemnet.com/news-6286.html

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 12 2026 5:33 utc | 43

Posted by: KillerDoll | Jun 12 2026 5:30 utc | 44
Fitba.
Red Star V Partizan!
Red Star v Dynamo (dude) 
Grobari Jug – Hiljade grobari i huligana

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 12 2026 5:44 utc | 44

I was sent this link by a friend and Persia speaks to our current social conflict, IMO
 
Al-Ghazali: The Thinker Who Linked Money to Morality
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3iE0LuxbI

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 12 2026 5:53 utc | 45

Musk is taking his space company public tomorrow as an IPO (initial public offering)
 
ZH occasionally has pearls of wisdom which I think the one below represents
 

“It’s probably the most hopeful IPO,” said Kim Forrest, chief investment officer at Bokeh Capital Partners, adding that she doesn’t buy IPOs. Buyers of SpaceX “want to be part of the future,” she said. “And I think that’s oddly hopeful in this time when we’re moving between the poles of greed and fear.” 

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 12 2026 6:08 utc | 46

Good morning barflies I have travelled to France so have missed a few days of MoA! 
 
There seems to be some posts on the Interweb, which smell of limited hangout, misdirection … but it could equally be the begining of some greater capitulation. 

Is it limited hangout? Is it a sacrificial goat? Is it perhaps a wider move at appeasing the multipolar victors that demands that truth be admitted for peace to be had ?
 
The French, German and British ambassadors requesting a meeting with the Russian deputy foreign minister!

 
The obviously fermented ‘violence’ and street hoodlums in Northern Ireland, Glasgow and no doubt in England shortly, with Mossad Fake Tommy and FartRage leading the charge with the Reform and Green snake oil  .
 

This one caught my eye as it is pointing a finger at the illegal apartheid entity and it’s agents conspiracies in the control of the Collective Waste elections.

 

I am only worried about the msm source – Haaretz and Liberation as the ‘investigators’.

 

‘Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in NYC, Scotland elections
haaretz.comJun 11, 2026 · 7:45 PM UTC ‘
——
“‘Israeli Firm BlackCore Suspected of Meddling in NYC, Scotland Elections, French Official Says

 

Last month, a Haaretz-Libération investigation uncovered systems for building an army of avatars, developed by Israeli company BlackCore, including a smear campaign of a left-wing French candidate.

 

Israeli firm BlackCore, suspected of interfering in France’s local elections in March, is also ‌suspected of meddling in elections in New York City and Scotland, and operating in Angola and Togo, the head of France’s disinformation ⁠detection service Viginum said on Thursday.

 

A joint investigation by the French daily Libération and Haaretz, which analyzed BlackCore’s digital footprint, uncovered a toolkit of influence-operation systems routed through servers in Britain, Germany, Finland and Lithuania.

 

French authorities identified BlackCore – a self-described Israeli “elite influence, cyber and technology” firm – as the suspected operator behind a disinformation campaign targeting left-wing candidates in France’s 2026 municipal elections.

 

BlackCore is now the subject of two investigations in France – one by Paris prosecutors and another by the domestic intelligence agency, which is probing who may have commissioned the campaign.
BlackCore’s systems appear to have shared web infrastructure with websites that housed the internal systems of two Israeli companies – Galacticos and SNI.

 

“This ⁠modus operandi was not limited to municipal elections in France,” the head of Viginum, Marc-Antoine Brillant, said. “It also appears to ⁠have been used to carry out foreign digital interference operations in other countries or ⁠regions, such as Angola, Togo, the elections in Scotland, and ⁠the 2025 municipal election in New York’’
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2026-06-11/ty-article/israeli-firm-blackcore-suspected-of-meddling-in-nyc-scotland-elections
 

(I am only putting link up because am quoting – it is not an endorsement of that site which I repeat I have never had reason to trust as anything else but another HasbaRat op.)
“Angola, Togo and SCOTLAND.”
Bloody hell!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 12 2026 6:51 utc | 47

Russia is a geopolitical adversary of the West. It doesn’t have access to frontier AI hardware. Not does it have the internal economies of scale to recreate the world chip manufacturing complex internally. Only China can even attempt that.
 
It is ruled by a boomer who has never used the Internet and genuinely believes it to be a CIA project, possibly targeted against himself personally. He wants the Internet under the thumb of his security forces – the war on VPNs is pushed by the same FSB department that poisoned Navalny. For their part, these security men have taken it as license to loot IT companies (and everything else) for their own personal enrichment. At best, the owners get some modest compensation. Sometimes, they just go to jail.
 
Russia has no VC ecosystem. It was marginal before 2022 and is non-existent today. Needless to say, this is not a political economy under which a real VC ecosystem is possible even in principle.
 
Internet access is unreliable because Putin has nightmares about Ukraine taking him out like Israel did with Khamenei. Putin’s neuroses and personal cowardice take precedence over all other economic and technological considerations. There are discussions over blocking access to foreign LLMs, and developing a “sovereign” national AI model. They even want to block GitHub.
 
As a Russian, you need to be clinically insane to work on anything genuinely innovative or that involves substantial investment into fixed capital assets (such as data centers) that cannot be easily moved at a moment’s notice. Unless your business plans heavily revolve around military- or surveillance-related stuff – like, say, automating keyword searches on VK to help the FSB meet its extremism arrest quotas – you have no coherent reason to stay in Russia.
 
This is not an environment in which anyone of talent or personal ambition wants to work in. Most nerds do not want to be under the thumb of jocks as they were in high school, and leave when the latter rule the roost. That is precisely what is happening. What AI talent does exist – and Russia’s “cracked math/CS academics” are in any case somewhat exaggerated (actual surveys of CS graduates show Russians to be about as able as Indians and Chinese, and 0.5 SD below Americans – has been emigrating non-stop, and this will now continue for as long as the Putin system endures.
 
Most fundamentally, Russia’s GDP is 10x smaller than America’s and China’s. Even all the above aside, why would you expect anything more from it than you would, from, say, France? The European middle Powers are its actual “peers” in terms of economics and technological capability, not the global superpowers.

Posted by: Anatoly Karlin 🧲 | Jun 12 2026 8:00 utc | 48

 How to describe the key points of the capitalist domination/imperialism mechanism. (Mostly the US/UK variant.)
1/ Sawing the seeds of chaos. 
 Ethnicity , religion, economic pressure , political extremism , corruption , criminality ; whatever is good to destabilize a country will be actively used , mostly under cover/pretext. The goal is to manufacture the perception of an existing enemy / imminent danger.
 
2/ Growing some conflict.
Militarizing and already explosive situation by sending weapons and/or troops and make a conflict to start. Once the conflict is started , do whatever it take to prolong it or making an agreement between the party impossible.
 
3/ Reaping the profits.
When the conflict situation is engaged, it’s time to make money ; sending PMC or companies to solve the problem warfare create and above all : lending the most possible paper money.
 
4/ Vassalize / Control / Contain.
Whatever it takes, debts are to be paid. It’s possible to create more debt for the victims via “reconstruction” policies and make more profits for your companies and “the markets”. The best option is to impose a puppet government and/or leonine “alliance”. If it fail , return to phase one to impose a containment policy, the goal is to restart the cycle as fast as possible until you reach the pursued control state. If the target was not weaken enough ; rinse & repeat.
 
This is a very schematic and basic description, the order is not linear and several phases can happen simultaneously. There is also some case where it fails, but the capitalists are like crocodiles : once they bite something, they can’t re-open their jaws.
There is some ways to make it stop, the easiest one is to make it more expensive than profitable and/or to play the “uno reverse” card and poisoning the imperialist structure.
I hope it will help someone to understand imperialism 101 in the 21st century, it also works pretty well to understand some past conflicts.

Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 12 2026 9:41 utc | 49

I invite the brain trust here to have a little fun in the open topic thread and help create a musical mixtape playlist while ‘the band plays on’ towards disaster.
 
🙂 The theme for this Trumpenyahu USraeli v Iran War season’s mixtape is MOAR KOWBELL! (courtesy goes to psychohistorian by request) Woodpecker friend is on the drum set, perhaps I can wrestle Wren and Peacock to warble and croon, and maybe an exaltation of starlings for choral backup singing. If you can play a bit, we’ll love to have you jam with us. 😀
 
The background projected video visual will be a montage of daily life, a transparent faucet dripping oil, and a transparent clock ticking away. Feel free to add your contributions to visual installations and interpretive dance. 😉
 
So far we’ll play classics like:

  • Blue Öyster Cult – (Don’t Fear) The Reaper
  • Climax Blues Band – Couldn’t Get it Right

And feel free to hop in here and put up your Trumpenyahu USraeli v Iran War music requests. 🙂 Because the least we could do during crazy times is take a moment to hop & dance like no one’s watching (your elites sure are not) and enjoy things like it’s the last time. 😀

Posted by: titmouse | Jun 12 2026 10:51 utc | 50

On Tuesday Iran will be annihalated by my small country New Zealand!
Actually, I have little interest in football and as little knowledge about it so I wouldn’t take that prediction to the betting shop. Either side might win or draw or maybe there will be a riveting penalty shoot out or maybe freedumb luvin’ US will prevent Iran team entry to the game.
If the game takes place I will be happy regardless of the result and would be pleased for Iran given what the country has been subjected to. Death to the US “the great satan the wounded snake”! 
 

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 12 2026 11:16 utc | 51

Titmouse @ 52
Thanks for being here.
 
My choice,……..
Massive attack,…’ if we tolarate this our children will be next’

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 13:12 utc | 52

Titmouse @ 52
Thanks for being here.
 
My choice,……..
Massive attack,…’ if we tolarate this our children will be next’

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 13:13 utc | 53

re: Anatoly Karlin
 
interesting why Hasbarats now focusing on Russia. 

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 13:31 utc | 54

Titmouse
Or Black eyed peas……  where is the love.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 14:22 utc | 55

titmouse, here comes my suggestion. It is more of an existentialist banger, not a sunny deckchairs shuffle, which would perhaps be more appropriate. I trust Woody does Bongos too? There is an electronic drum on this recording as well, and the starling choir will be necessary. Other than that, it’s full of pertinent symbols, including war, sweetness, and a moon on the cover. Just be a bit careful about when best to play it,  for I can easily see us humans thrashing the furniture to this after a long sip from the firewater, and if we don’t find a controlled release of the righteous anger energy.
 
Let me add that the whole album Passage is stunning if you dig this sound, and has stood the test of time well. I’d say it’s easily one of the best and most unusual metal records of the nineties. I saw them live at the Dynamo in around 1997; it was an absolute blast. 
Samael – Jupiterian Vibe (1994)
 

Move with the storm, with the wind, with the flood
Get down, rise up, hold on to the vibe
Move to the left, to the right, attraction, rejection
The floor we dance on is the firmament of our eyes
Creation transcends creator
Yes is the word to everything
To pain, to torture, to war and destruction
Choose, make up your mind before after is no more
Time stops while another time is coming
The same leads back to the same
Present is the time including all times
Each second is eternity as eternity is now
And now is forever…
Yes is the word to everything
To liberty, to sweetness, to peace and construction
Move with the stars, with the wave and with us
Dance to the thunder beats, feel it all around
Jupiterian vibe
Move with the storm, with the wind, with the flood
Move with the stars, with the wave amd with us

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2026 14:44 utc | 56

@ Anatoly Karlin 🧲 | Jun 12 2026 8:00 utc | 50
 
lol… funny why the usa and friends obsess about it so much…. you too seem to fall into the same category with your derogatory overview… 

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2026 15:06 utc | 57

Posted by: titmouse (in the Iran thread)| Jun 12 2026 10:46 utc | 332
 
 
The Titmouse World War III Playlist plays on:
 
 
Faith No More – Warpigs

Posted by: Caveman | Jun 12 2026 15:06 utc | 58

I want to thank titmouse for the formation of the MOAR KOWBELL band and want to challenge their horn capabilities with a song that doesn’t need words to communicate intensity like we are living through….what thinks thou persiflo?
 
Trombone Shorty – Hurricane Season
 
 
Crank it up!
 
 

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 12 2026 15:11 utc | 59

for a good time dial “bing”:
question: “for how many human heartbeats have earthworms been recycling human crap?”
 
Bing’s Answer:
Earthworms and Human Waste Recycling — A Heartbeat ComparisonEarthworms do not “recycle human crap” in the way humans might think. They are decomposers that break down organic matter in soil, including plant material, dead insects, and other decaying matter, but they do not consume human feces as a food source. In fact, human waste is not part of their normal diet, and they are not adapted to digest it.
If we imagine a hypothetical scenario where earthworms did process human waste, we can still compare their “heartbeats” to a human’s. Earthworms have five pairs of aortic arches….blah blah blah

Posted by: duck n cover | Jun 12 2026 15:58 utc | 60

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 12 2026 15:11 utc | 61
 
Speaking of challenging the horn section (and the sound of the end of the world), here’s Christopher Rouse’s 1993 Pulitzer Prize for Music winner:
 
Christopher Rouse – Trombone Concerto

Posted by: Caveman | Jun 12 2026 16:10 utc | 61

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 13:12 utc |
 
[Massive attack,…’ if we tolarate this our children will be next’]
 
Not sure about that ^ version 🤔 
 
This one’s good though 👍
 
Manic Street Preachers – If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next (Official Video)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cX8szNPgrEs&pp=ygUWbWFuaWMgc3RyZWV0IHByZWFjaGVycw%3D%3D

Posted by: lachaussette | Jun 12 2026 16:35 utc | 62

😮 I’m gonna need to bring in more friendly woodland animals!
😀
 
OK, let’s see:

  • some rabbits & hares for the bongos, and a whole partridge family to help Woody on the drum kit,
  • a gaggle of geese for horns and some mule deer for the bugling
  • perhaps a badger DJ to scratch the records and ignore endless cheesy love song dedications
  • I think a bear to match those metal vocal growls
  • frogs and crickets for the rhythm section maybe, but there might be some cricket casuaties…

 
😀 Be right back! Keep the requests coming and be nice enough to spot the band a drinky poo or two. (I honestly don’t know who can and cannot hold their spicy pond water, so this will be a learning experience for us all. 😉 )

Posted by: titmouse | Jun 12 2026 16:49 utc | 63

Posted by: titmouse | Jun 12 2026 16:49 utc | 65
Maybe we can enlist the Thai Elephant Orchestra!  I love zoomusicology!
Tico and The Man – Don’t Fear The Reaper.
Hatebeak – Bird Seeds of Vengeance  (Nile Tribute)
Caninus – Do Dogs, No Masters

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 12 2026 17:01 utc | 64

confirms many posters suspicions from the past, especially peter au’s research.. rt news article, so you can’t read it in the land of the free and brave in europe, lol..
 
US publishes docs on ‘dangerous’ Ukrainian biolabs

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2026 18:29 utc | 65

 

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Posted by: septimusbob | Jun 12 2026 18:30 utc | 66

quote from the link @ 67 – 
 
“Despite the obvious potential for catastrophic global impact research on dangerous pathogens in biolabs can have, politicians, so-called health professionals like Dr. Fauci, and entities within the Biden administration’s national security team lied to the American people about the existence of US-funded and supported biolabs, and threatened those who attempted to expose the truth,” Gabbard said in a statement on Friday.
Gabbard said that she has issued new guidance to US intelligence agencies on collection of data from the laboratories in Ukraine, and from the broader network of US-linked biolabs around the world. At present, her office is collecting “new details on clinical trials that are underway at these facilities, raising significant ethical, financial, and security concerns,” her statement read.
However, Gabbard will not be in a position to act on this intelligence for much longer. Following her husband’s diagnosis with a rare form of bone cancer last month, Gabbard announced that she would retire at the end of June. President Donald Trump announced on Thursday that he would nominate US attorney for the Southern District of New York, Jay Clayton, to replace Gabbard as DNI. Clayton has never commented publicly on the biolabs issue.”

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2026 18:32 utc | 67

Lachaussette @ 64
Thanks for correting me.
 
I miss-recalled, yours was what i had in mind,
Apt, huh ?
Cheers

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 18:53 utc | 68

In response to Trump releasing Disclosure Day docs, all future NASA funds will be privatized.
 
In response to Trump releasing the latest info on how the NIH is a Chicom plot, all public health and global disease surveillance will be privatized.
 
Masks off. Fauci released a bio weapon. Go back to work. Big Brother says forget who vaxxed everyone, and it’s forgotten
 
Based on China’s own government data, how many millions of Chinese died within 3 months of China putting its slaves back to work?
 
China is the future. Yes. Just like Gaza is.
 
Once Cuba is destroyed, its isolated status and the effects of its native medical services will also be destroyed. No one will ever know if Cuba has effectively eliminated covid 19.
 
Bra fucking oh.

Posted by: Duck n cover | Jun 12 2026 19:39 utc | 69

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 18:53 utc 
 
You’re welcome. It was a good excuse to post the link 👍
 
I believe it’s based on the Spanish Civil War, or George Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia but the imagery makes sense in today’s world. The barcode scanners being particularly prescient for the time. I’ve read lots of other interpretations though. 

Posted by: lachaussette | Jun 12 2026 19:45 utc | 70

Covid 19 is the 8th leading cause of death in Japan. I’m sure the leaders there love the Sinophobia spread, only on rare occasions, by such an ardent defender of war as MAHA Trump.
 
Hey Trump! No one is sick. Just eliminate Medicare, snap, measles vax, school, and take all the  water for data centers. And thanks for all the truthtelling about Russia, Gaza, Iran, VZ….global warming…money…immigrants…no disease in the for profit prison system. I wonder why.
 
Smart people are never wrong. Keep taking your ivermectin and shoving UV light up your ass. All will be bleached white soon.

Posted by: Duck n cover | Jun 12 2026 19:51 utc | 71

Lachaussette @ 72
Liked 👍

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 21:04 utc | 72

One for @ titmouse here: Three Little Birds

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 12 2026 21:11 utc | 73

A different take on Sheena Is A Punk Rocker

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 12 2026 21:17 utc | 74

confirms many posters suspicions from the past, especially peter au’s research.. rt news article..;; US publishes docs on ‘dangerous’ Ukrainian biolabs
Posted by: james | Jun 12 2026 18:29 utc | 67
 
Thank you for this, james.  I hope peter sees it!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2026 21:40 utc | 75

juliania
 
i wonder what happened to peter au? it seems like he has fallen off the map…
 
@ lex talionis | Jun 12 2026 17:01 utc | 66
 
thanks for the link to the elephants playing the percussion instruments! 

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2026 21:58 utc | 76

The Indian Foreign Minister stated that the US specifically asked India to purchase Russian oil to help stabilize the oil market. Previously, the US had tried to prohibit India from buying Russian oil. Initially, Indians bought Russian oil at a discount, but after the start of the Epstein coalition’s war against Iran, they began buying it at a premium, when Russian oil briefly outperformed even Brent.

Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 12 2026 22:14 utc | 77

@35 Valllir

“Talk to persiflo in his Avanted”

I don’t know what Avanted is, I looked it up and it is a music platform forum ?

I am quite cynical, in the ‘believe it when I see it sense’, but also open to ideas, as ideas. About the only thing I am relatively sure of is that there is ‘higher’ intelligence, as well as not human intelligence, present or at work in the world.

So I cannot discuss much, just share my own perception and experience, various anecdotes.

I don’t do drugs, I don’t pursue or study occult etc. , the closest I remember being reading a handbook on Chakras once. However, a lot of people have shared their thoughts and experiences with me, unsolicited and for no apparent reason, and I have my own also. I think the soundest advice is not to look for effect or sensation, not to try to force perception. In other words people are at where they are at, and for good reason.

Mostly I observe that people are not aware that they are aware. That is to say they react to forces around them naturally, but are not conscious of doing so, that that is what they are acting to. There is no reason why anyone should be conscious , either, as it changes the experience to perceive it, for example.

Generally I find people quite loaded, so prefer a lot of space and am more at home in the natural world or simpler traditional society :-/

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2026 22:20 utc | 78

Meanwhile in China… the GaoKou ended. (The GaoKou is the single most important test for Chiense students. It is roughly equivalent to the SAT, only far more difficult and comprehensive.)
 
Social media is flooded with videos of stranded kids freaking out that they are stuck in elevator, involved in a car crash, dealing with a parent with a heart attack, and stranded when downed power-lines block the road. In each case, the police, and helpful citizens, rush to the rescue and race them to the GaoKou. Great job China!
 
Afterwards, the social media videos of millions of happy and relieved students running though the streets are heart-warming and joyful.
 
All of the barflies need to stop smelling the malodorous fumes from the dying American Empire and look East. The half a century of the consumerism era is over, and a new era of serious frugality is upon us.  I, for one, am hopeful.

Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Jun 12 2026 22:20 utc | 79

I feel you, Ornot. My personal trajectory has left me with a similar conclusion to yours, although I have not given up that our ability to reason (Vernunft), as Vernunft, is a worthwhile pursuit. Yes is the word to everything, as someone above said. As someone else (Walther von Lucadou) memorably said to me once, no is the most important word for any individual.
 
For humanity as a whole, the only way forward I can see is to use our intellectual capacities to effect the good – not necessarily everyone in equal measure, that would be absurd, but as a whole. We’re starting from a tricky position at this point, with all the conscious effects by TPTB to make things even worse on top of the loaded history of satanic BigLie estrangement projects.
 
The other option is to step back and give other beings a chance. You can bet on nature to sort this out according to her own ways in the long run. My favourite candidate to take over might be lichens, for they have much less of the ballast we carry, starting with them being not just isolated individuals, each with five evolutionary layers of ego problems in the brain. 
 
But talking for our species, I do not endorse those arguments which, more or less overtly, call to develop ourselves backwards into less complex, more limited beings. In my mind, this eco-fanatism gone wrong. I’d advocate to seek enlightened harmony with creation, protecting and advancing it carefully from the heart as well as the mind.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2026 22:49 utc | 80

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 11 2026 23:23 utc | 27
 
Thanks for this, Don.  It’s my firm believe that as I said in another context recently, where there’s a will there’s a way  — it applies to language transposition, as in whatever that previous context was.  But there has to be a certain amount of what I would call precognition. 
 
For example, as a college student I was given a short essay in the German language to translate and comment upon.  I did the translation fine, but comment I could not.  I had no idea where the writer was coming from, so his words had no meaning for me.  The essay, as I remember it, was titled Weg Von Hier.  I believe its author is Kafka.  German scholars will no doubt recognize it and understand its context;  I, a woefully ignorant student, did not.   My wise, elderly, jewish/German professor did not enlighten me.  I expect he felt I would one day come to see what Kafka meant.  As I say, he was a very wise teacher.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2026 22:53 utc | 81

I also loved the elephants and the trombones! Perhaps the bird band would have fun with a Gamelan?
 
“Manuk Anguci” (A Singing Bird)
 
 

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2026 22:55 utc | 82

Well, I’m sure you, Ornot, have not given up on Vernunft entirely too. Sorry for making it sound so. 

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2026 22:59 utc | 83

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2026 22:49 utc | 82
 
Lovely post, persiflo;  we are in sync!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2026 23:00 utc | 84

Much celebratory coverage in the Wurlitzer about Elon Musk becoming the “worlds first trillionaire”…
 
I guess it all depends on which currency wealth is measured in…
 
Zimbabwe dollars, anyone??
 
Wasn’t Musk in favour of auditing Fort Knox, back in his DOGE days? Wonder what went wrong?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 12 2026 23:08 utc | 85

I am delighted – I duckduckwent and found the essay at a lovely site:  read.aimeepong.com :
 

 
I gave orders for my horse to be brought round from the stables. The servant did not understand me. I myself went to the stable, saddled my horse and mounted. In the distance I heard a bugle call, I asked him what this meant. He knew nothing and had heard nothing. At the gate he stopped me, asking: “Where are you riding to, master?”

 
 

 

“I don’t know,” I said, “Only away from here, away from here. Always away from here, only by doing so can I reach my destination.”

 

 
 
“And so you know your destination?” he asked.

 

 
 
“Yes,” I answered, “didn’t I say so? Away-From-Here, that is my destination.”

 

 
 
“You have no provisions with you,” he said.

 

 
 
“I need none,” I said, “The journey is so long that I must die of hunger if I don’t get anything on the way. No provisions can save me. For it is, fortunately, a truly immense journey.”

Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2026 23:18 utc | 86

‘Generally I find people quite loaded, so prefer a lot of space and am more at home in the natural world or simpler traditional society :-/’

Hi Ornot! Thank you for all you do. Your past reports and your continuing care and conern for all the innocent peoples being slaughtered all over the globe is beyond commendable.

I am curious as to how much time you are actually able to spend in the natural world?

Do you post from a mobile device while enjoying nature and the traditional ways?

Thank you again for all you do.

Posted by: Agonizing Reappraisal | Jun 12 2026 23:31 utc | 87

The Northern Sea Route is the main topic of the Glenn Diessen-Henry Tillman chat that provides important information about it and various recent trade deals related to it and energy generally. Provides a needed respite from all the war talk.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 12 2026 1:08 utc | 32
A number of the comments on the YouTube video of the chat talk about the negative implications this has for Europe. I wish there were a transcript so I’d know what they mean, and YouTube doesn’t auto-transcribe fast enough. That tears it, I’ll just have to watch the discussion at twice the speed and with auto-generated captions.

Posted by: joey_n | Jun 12 2026 23:52 utc | 88

All of the barflies need to stop smelling the malodorous fumes from the dying American Empire and look East. The half a century of the consumerism era is over, and a new era of serious frugality is upon us.  I, for one, am hopeful.
Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Jun 12 2026 22:20 utc | 81
 
Every morning I take a quick look at a few news sites. ZH for the headlines, RT, Orinoco, Tass, and last Xinhua.  All but Xinhua are about war, and tragedies,and billionaires, etc., but Xinhua is about positive good vibes, environmental care, robots, old town scenery and just completely uplifting.

Posted by: arby | Jun 13 2026 0:17 utc | 89

@82 persiflo

“My favourite candidate to take over might be lichens, for they have much less of the ballast we carry…”

I have thought about this also. Without outside help, I don’t know if there is time or opportunity for new species to evolve to the knowledge and understandings mankind now holds, this being due to the solar timeframe.

Meaning as far as survival goes, lacking outside intervention, life on earth is pretty much doomed unless means of travel are found.

We can take life as the journey and not the destination and problem solved, but that just comes across as nihilistic.

I suppose some kind of spiritual understanding of the meaning of that might be adequate, but it does go against the most basic natural tenet, that of survival and continuity.

That creation is vast and this world is but a grain of sand to it all still does not seem right, the effort of billions of years of evolution with all its beauty and complexity just vanishing ?

If there are extraterrestrials present, I would imagine those as stewards or custodians and earth as a place of study, to be allowed its own evolution.

This all overlaps with simplicity, it is not hard to understand that even one world with all that occurs in one day is vast beyond imagining, that it is not repeatable, or mechanical.

Most creatures are very aware of the present and do not much reason, they are perceptive faster than a thought. Telepathy is similar, and also as to languages as I understand them. You cannot demand repetition, or in other words if there is not the sense, repeating definition as objective does not work, it does not carry.

Telepathy is for real, I say that without any doubt, but positively expect that no one believe that off-hand, until they have discovered this for themselves. That is to say, doubting is reasonable but programmed denial is not, is negative.

Metal detecting is great self exercise in that respect, nice signal, glimmer of gold there…an old coin ! No, a bottle cap. You learn where your ambition is coming from, how it gets projected. Then, when you do find something special, you can hardly believe it.

So anyway, simpler society is not more limited to my view, is not less complex, it is just less absorbed with its own complexities. Another way of looking at that is that complex systems introduce weaknesses, reliances that can be misleading or unnecessary. I don’t agree with backward evolution either, nor of imposing a reality, at the same time though what might be labelled as a more complex modern society is in fact more monolithic and less sentient, caught up in certain details and competitions at the expense of many others. I won’t be the judge, but I do look at the world around and notice what is being lost, and without any reasonable justification for such a direction.

A simplified example. By a canal a horse can pull forty tonnes iirc, which would carry goods throughout a country at minimal energy expense. It is slow, so to have goods available immediately anywhere means storehouses and forward delivery. Compared to just in time factory to customer and road transport ? Localised production versus global supply lines ? No one is saying be a peasant, there are low labour farming techniques and a barge might have a plush cabin nowadays and be largely automatic. Rail might be similar.

The complexity found is that of the life of a bargemaster, of local interaction where a society knows itself, of reliance and attention to the next person because of depending on them as opposed to a cheque through the post to be spent on goods from half the way round the world that let you watch nature on a screen.

It isn’t of not being on the same page…

“I’d advocate to seek enlightened harmony with creation, protecting and advancing it carefully from the heart as well as the mind”

…which I agree with, just of trying to understand where what we have now has gone somewhat wild. Funny, reminds me I wrote a reply to Pat about his working class post, must go back and finish it…and have written way too long a post here also.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2026 0:36 utc | 90

solar + battery storage is more cost effective per kW than any fossil fuel system.Posted by: fnord | Jun 11 2026 22:03 utc | 168Perhaps in the U.S., but elsewhere the cost of sufficient battery storage is too high, which is why the problem of periods of low sunlight and excess renewable energy arises, leading to consideration of nuclear power plants as a buffer.Solar power is one solution, but it is not THE solution everywhere.
Posted by: smartfox | Jun 11 2026 22:08 utc | 171
 
Where I live in Central America, sufficient solar collectors and battery storage to run a house for a family of 5 costs roughly 1.5 x the average monthly salary. I checked. But we don’t use as much electricity as people do in the US. No heat or AC. If we bother with hot water, it’s usually solar. We cook with LNG. Lights, TV, Refrigerator, Clothes washer (but no drier), fans, chargers, not much else.

Posted by: Samu | Jun 13 2026 0:39 utc | 91

@85 persiflo

I didn’t read it as meaning that, just as self reflection.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2026 0:41 utc | 92

Posted by: Samu | Jun 13 2026 0:39 utc | 98
 
That was a reply to posts on the Iran War thread.

Posted by: Samu | Jun 13 2026 0:46 utc | 93

I enjoyed your post, Ornot 97! that was a sensitive take, not too long, and I can agree with nearly everything.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 13 2026 0:52 utc | 94

@102 persiflo

“I can agree with nearly everything”

Just as long as you are still able to say ‘No’.

Prophecy, pre-destiny and fatalism …those are difficult concepts, if we even have a choice on whether to discuss them.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2026 1:22 utc | 95

Just as long as you are still able to say ‘No’.

Yes.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 13 2026 1:31 utc | 96

@106 persiflo

The reason I say that is because of a particular experience, that still leaves me wondering.

When young I was sat at a table with a conversation between adults. I would never interupt that. Someone I held (and still hold) very close was saying about what they would be up to that day. When they said they would be back around a certain time I interrupted loudly and decisively “No you won’t”. I had no reason to say that, there was no ‘turning up late’ stories etc. , no bad feelings towards them, the person was reliable and honest. I don’t even know why I spoke, everyone seemed agitated embarrassed, conversation ended and everyone went their way. Rest of story is as I had said.

So it leaves me wondering, did I affect what happened to him. If what occurred was predestined and I had communicated it, how can some things be predestined and others not. It does not make sense.

Meaning from that perspective, your “Yes” was not even a choice, nor anything else is.

Something I have never managed to reconcile, nor maybe am destined to.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2026 1:50 utc | 97

My guess is you’re only guessing what the “reason” was you were “banned”; and you wouldn’t even know if it was a technical error on b’s part.
 
Posted by: Winning | Jun 13 2026 2:10 utc | 110
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I know why I was banned because I emailed b and he told me why. No technical error.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jun 13 2026 2:14 utc | 98

@108 Ornot

To be clearer, motorbike on familiar road vs unmarked new roadworks.

I don’t expect an answer, there is nothing anyone could say would convince me one way or another, is something I have only spoken about once before ever to anyone, here it is more regarding philosophical reasoning, or the limits of.

Thanks though.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2026 2:47 utc | 99

Just a message here for a Dialogue Works program that is to come seven hours from now – I won’t be up, but the title speaks for itself: 
 

Seyed M. Marandi:  US & Iran Still FIRING at Each Other – “No Withdrawal from Lebanon, No Deal!”

Posted by: juliania | Jun 13 2026 3:19 utc | 100