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June 11, 2026
Open (Not Ukraine or Iran) Thread 2026-121
News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Iran …
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A few thoughts on Carmelo Anthony or The Reason Many Think the black Community is Run by Idiots. Posted by: Dogon Priest | Jun 11 2026 14:15 utc | 1 Posted by: Dogon Priest | Jun 11 2026 14:15 utc | 1 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2026 15:06 utc | 2 TQC – Apparently, the kid had a loaded weapon and pointed it at the shooter’s son during the chase, so the jury believed it was self defense in the end. The State’s case was built on the idea that the store owner (and his son) shouldn’t have been chasing the suspected thief in the first place. But that argument is also problematic and was not bought by the jury. The shooter served three years waiting for trial, so he definitely did some time. Posted by: Caliman | Jun 11 2026 15:46 utc | 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dgVOsC4Ejg Posted by: duck n cover | Jun 11 2026 16:10 utc | 4 Border control problems , visa problems , ticket price problem , Giani Infantino being Giani …; it have not even started but the FIFA World Cup in the US is already a train wreck. Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 11 2026 16:59 utc | 5 World’s last FIFA? don’t let a little genocide in the global Gestapo gauntlet stop you. Russians are banned in LA and bombed in Moscow. decency is triumphing. Posted by: duck n cover | Jun 11 2026 17:22 utc | 6 Europe – through Ukraine – has cut off oil to Hungary before the elections, and opened the tap after Orban had lost. Perhaps the EU’s behavior towards Hungary could be a precedent for Russia’s behavior towards Armenia? Posted by: The Far Side | Jun 11 2026 17:23 utc | 7 Do any Barflies believe that there are advanced Alien cultures elsewhere in the Universe, close enough to Earth to visit us occasionally? Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 11 2026 17:52 utc | 9 Precious metals bounce and oil falls on headline of Trump postponing attacks on Iran. But it has more to do with tactical positioning of financial institutions closing gold shorts and flipping oil to short ahead of headlines. This will probably reverse again next week. Posted by: unimperator | Jun 11 2026 18:17 utc | 10 ‘Do any Barflies believe that there are advanced Alien cultures elsewhere in the Universe, close enough to Earth to visit us occasionally?’ My own feeling on the UFO-alien stuff is that it’s all a cover for the deep state-military. It allows them to test all their various war machines while using that as a convenient distraction for the masses. It also benefits them in that, to believers, they can be see as people with some authority versus the averaage joe who may have interacted with the ‘aliens’ which thus allows them to ultimately control the narrative. They can also be seen to be protecting us from evil or simply unknown extraterrestrials. It’s a circle that always benefits them which is how power operates. Posted by: Agonizing Reappraisal | Jun 11 2026 18:21 utc | 11 ‘World Cup of Exclusion’ Begins Posted by: John Gilberts | Jun 11 2026 18:28 utc | 12 If a steady stream of fake news is pumped out over next few months, gold has a chance to go back to $5k. Posted by: unimperator | Jun 11 2026 18:43 utc | 13 Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are on a collison course. There have been reports that Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “no longer friends”. David Hearst (“Middle EAst Eye”) provides more details about what’s going on. UAE wanted to encirlcle Saudi Arabia with their support for the civilwar in Sudan, Yemen and Somaliland. And yes, Israel is also involved in “this project”. Israel is busy building military bases in Somaliland. Israel is also building military bases in the UAE ????? Posted by: WMG | Jun 11 2026 19:29 utc | 14 💢 Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić announced that he might resign as head of state and run for the position of Prime Minister of the Republic, as he stated on Radio Belgrade. Posted by: Jo | Jun 11 2026 21:45 utc | 15 russia is completely absent from the AI and robotics revolution. stanford ranked them 28th out of 36 countries. 80% of their top AI engineers left. their GPU imports collapsed by 84%. Posted by: S Cardillo | Jun 11 2026 21:54 utc | 16 Russia doesn’t have to be the pioneer in everything. No nation has to. It can augment stuff in some areas with Chinese, Indian or whose ever tech. Posted by: unimperator | Jun 11 2026 22:06 utc | 17 @ 16
I’ll believe it when it shows up in the productivity statistics. The US manufacturing sector is already heavily robot-ized. No, not with humanoid robots, because those are foibles of software capitalists who believe in things like “the technological singularity”. Those are not useful in manufacturing settings. “AI”, ditto, if we’re talking about large language models, and not, you know, the statistical models that enable some industrial automation. Russia’s industrial economy is doing fine and development has been spurred by military spending, which will trickle out to the consumer economy with time, as I’m sure it already is. The innovations on the battlefield also tend to diffuse into civilian industries.
No one knows what the future holds. The people who claim to be “building the future” are invariably grifters looking for government (i.e. military) funding, often for products that don’t work. People should be less concerned with speculative futures and more concerned with the problems of the present. Posted by: fnord | Jun 11 2026 22:10 utc | 18 By the way, the gulf of Persia is heating up even more and reportedly all ships including tankers are suffering from barnacles. Posted by: unimperator | Jun 11 2026 22:13 utc | 19 I tend to trust juries … it’s one of the few real vestiges of popular involvement in government we have left and the public’s ability to put their thumb on the scale. Looking forward to what the United CEO murder jury does … Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2026 22:20 utc | 20 Posted by: Agonizing Reappraisal | Jun 11 2026 18:21 utc | 11 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2026 22:24 utc | 21 Regarding the link I posted about juries getting it wrong, I think that in some states the verdict doesn’t have to be unanimous. Also that there are a few states with 9 member juries rather than 12. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2026 22:30 utc | 22 @21 TomQ “I don’t keep up with the topic but TMK there have been no theoretical ‘breakthroughs’ in the recent past that would suffice to explain for a method capable of bringing any space faring civilization into contact with ours.” A very human-centric view ….earthling. Posted by: Ornot | Jun 11 2026 22:38 utc | 23 America! Fuck Yeah! Posted by: Suresh | Jun 11 2026 22:45 utc | 24 Apparently the UK is going to run out of sterling The BBC and SKY have been doing somersaults and doing back flips through hoops for 48 hours. contd. from previous Open thread …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 11 2026 23:23 utc | 27 urveillance: Posted by: Samu | Jun 11 2026 23:28 utc | 28 A very human-centric view ….earthling. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2026 0:14 utc | 29 India’s official political opposition parties are in disarray after one of its chief components, the Trinamool Congress, spectacularly disintegrated after an election defeat to Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party in the state of West Bengal. The Indian opposition parties in any case are worse than useless, which is why the Modi regime can easily buy components of it and stay in power. As a response a youth-based movement called the Cockroach Janata Party has taken off, but whether it’s real or an astroturfed fake controlled opposition is still to be seen. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Jun 12 2026 0:29 utc | 30 @29 Tom That is the thing though, and I thought of that after posting: The view you offer is based only on the ‘long distance’ physical transfer of a living creature. Whether that is possible is just one question. You will probably think I hang out with weirdos, and you might be right: A friend was walking along the waterline of a beach, and a person walking in front placed a rock down and continued walking. He picked it up and is certain that it is a crystalised extraterrestrial (it was a veeeery unusual rock) . Another person I knew had a ‘fragment of a spaceship’ found at a crash site in south america. Sure. Except the account of the person wbo found it (present) is not easily explained at all. Then there is ‘astral travel’ or telepathic visit, some are sure this is occuring. Others think extraterrestrials are being born to humans knowingly. When viewed solely from the material perspective, and physical law might be correct as far as it goes, well you see some of the differences possible. If there is an idea to physical law, it is to provide certainty, explainability in a form that coincides in a mechanical sense, hence repeatable. This is useful and an understandable pursuit. Start introducing other concepts that are outside of its explaining though, and it ‘freaks out’. Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2026 0:54 utc | 31 The Northern Sea Route is the main topic of the Glenn Diessen-Henry Tillman chat that provides important information about it and various recent trade deals related to it and energy generally. Provides a needed respite from all the war talk. I think this is the place to talk about music and feelings. Posted by: Vallari | Jun 12 2026 1:15 utc | 33 Language is a personality or manner, that is only properly known by drinking from the well of its people or society. Touch communicates, but language refers to tongue, which is the shaping of sound. Although sound is used to express oneself, it does also touch or affect the listener, as they experience some of what the speaker is. When the listener cannot decipher what is being said, they catch the sense but not the meaning. Although the sense and meaning are interelated, they are received at different levels, the meaning giving definition to the sense. For example simple colours placed on a canvas compared to shaped into details of a picture. With language though, each language has details shaped in a unique way, has details which only exist in that language. When learning or studying more closely related languages, it becomes very evident how languages take on the character of the people or society they are from. Even imposed languages spoken for hundreds of years still become ‘vulgar’ and adapt to local manner. With academic learning, the detail is provided, but not the sense found amongst native speakers, which only properly exists in real world setting. It cannot be reproduced synthetically, it is a living reality. Fawlty Towers… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RoCslBHMDfM Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2026 2:18 utc | 34 Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2026 2:18 utc | 34 Posted by: Valllir | Jun 12 2026 2:21 utc | 35 What I have obvious is that all of this written commitment is going to be a problem when you will try to disengage of your life. Because, as persiflo says, but does not live, the awareness is something that we have but never experiences. Posted by: Valllir | Jun 12 2026 2:32 utc | 36 Do you guys watch this year Fifa world cup ? Soccer is the global religion of sport. It’s a pretty big deal around the world. Posted by: KillerDoll | Jun 12 2026 2:34 utc | 37 language is a tool Posted by: Upsidedowndingo | Jun 12 2026 3:35 utc | 38 Free movies via streamimdb . ru ? Posted by: GreatLakesObserver | Jun 12 2026 4:34 utc | 39 Ahem. Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jun 12 2026 5:21 utc | 40 Re: World Cup Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 5:21 utc | 41
I boycott the rest and only watch the last semi finals because 48 teams world cup is a lot of matches Posted by: KillerDoll | Jun 12 2026 5:30 utc | 42 Two Japanese companies, Kanto Denka and Central Glass, have formally notified major clients—including Samsung, SK Hynix, and TSMC—that they will permanently cease production of tungsten hexafluoride starting July 1, 2026. >… Nikkei Asia
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 12 2026 5:33 utc | 43 Posted by: KillerDoll | Jun 12 2026 5:30 utc | 44 Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 12 2026 5:44 utc | 44 I was sent this link by a friend and Persia speaks to our current social conflict, IMO Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 12 2026 5:53 utc | 45 Musk is taking his space company public tomorrow as an IPO (initial public offering)
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 12 2026 6:08 utc | 46 Good morning barflies I have travelled to France so have missed a few days of MoA! Is it limited hangout? Is it a sacrificial goat? Is it perhaps a wider move at appeasing the multipolar victors that demands that truth be admitted for peace to be had ? This one caught my eye as it is pointing a finger at the illegal apartheid entity and it’s agents conspiracies in the control of the Collective Waste elections.
I am only worried about the msm source – Haaretz and Liberation as the ‘investigators’.
(I am only putting link up because am quoting – it is not an endorsement of that site which I repeat I have never had reason to trust as anything else but another HasbaRat op.) Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 12 2026 6:51 utc | 47 Russia is a geopolitical adversary of the West. It doesn’t have access to frontier AI hardware. Not does it have the internal economies of scale to recreate the world chip manufacturing complex internally. Only China can even attempt that. Posted by: Anatoly Karlin 🧲 | Jun 12 2026 8:00 utc | 48 How to describe the key points of the capitalist domination/imperialism mechanism. (Mostly the US/UK variant.) Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 12 2026 9:41 utc | 49 I invite the brain trust here to have a little fun in the open topic thread and help create a musical mixtape playlist while ‘the band plays on’ towards disaster.
And feel free to hop in here and put up your Trumpenyahu USraeli v Iran War music requests. 🙂 Because the least we could do during crazy times is take a moment to hop & dance like no one’s watching (your elites sure are not) and enjoy things like it’s the last time. 😀 Posted by: titmouse | Jun 12 2026 10:51 utc | 50 On Tuesday Iran will be annihalated by my small country New Zealand! Posted by: tucenz | Jun 12 2026 11:16 utc | 51 Titmouse @ 52 Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 13:12 utc | 52 Titmouse @ 52 Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 13:13 utc | 53 re: Anatoly Karlin Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 13:31 utc | 54 titmouse, here comes my suggestion. It is more of an existentialist banger, not a sunny deckchairs shuffle, which would perhaps be more appropriate. I trust Woody does Bongos too? There is an electronic drum on this recording as well, and the starling choir will be necessary. Other than that, it’s full of pertinent symbols, including war, sweetness, and a moon on the cover. Just be a bit careful about when best to play it, for I can easily see us humans thrashing the furniture to this after a long sip from the firewater, and if we don’t find a controlled release of the righteous anger energy.
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2026 14:44 utc | 56 @ Anatoly Karlin 🧲 | Jun 12 2026 8:00 utc | 50 Posted by: james | Jun 12 2026 15:06 utc | 57 Posted by: titmouse (in the Iran thread)| Jun 12 2026 10:46 utc | 332 Posted by: Caveman | Jun 12 2026 15:06 utc | 58 I want to thank titmouse for the formation of the MOAR KOWBELL band and want to challenge their horn capabilities with a song that doesn’t need words to communicate intensity like we are living through….what thinks thou persiflo? Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 12 2026 15:11 utc | 59 for a good time dial “bing”: Posted by: duck n cover | Jun 12 2026 15:58 utc | 60 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 12 2026 15:11 utc | 61 Posted by: Caveman | Jun 12 2026 16:10 utc | 61 Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 13:12 utc | Posted by: lachaussette | Jun 12 2026 16:35 utc | 62 😮 I’m gonna need to bring in more friendly woodland animals!
Posted by: titmouse | Jun 12 2026 16:49 utc | 63 Posted by: titmouse | Jun 12 2026 16:49 utc | 65 Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 12 2026 17:01 utc | 64 confirms many posters suspicions from the past, especially peter au’s research.. rt news article, so you can’t read it in the land of the free and brave in europe, lol.. Posted by: james | Jun 12 2026 18:29 utc | 65
Finexbox https://www.finexbox.com/ is a comprehensive cryptocurrency spot trading platform that supports major digital assets, including Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, Ripple, EOS, NEO, and Monero. Posted by: septimusbob | Jun 12 2026 18:30 utc | 66 quote from the link @ 67 – Posted by: james | Jun 12 2026 18:32 utc | 67 Lachaussette @ 64 Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 18:53 utc | 68 In response to Trump releasing Disclosure Day docs, all future NASA funds will be privatized. Posted by: Duck n cover | Jun 12 2026 19:39 utc | 69 Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 18:53 utc Posted by: lachaussette | Jun 12 2026 19:45 utc | 70 Covid 19 is the 8th leading cause of death in Japan. I’m sure the leaders there love the Sinophobia spread, only on rare occasions, by such an ardent defender of war as MAHA Trump. Posted by: Duck n cover | Jun 12 2026 19:51 utc | 71 One for @ titmouse here: Three Little Birds Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 12 2026 21:11 utc | 73 A different take on Sheena Is A Punk Rocker Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 12 2026 21:17 utc | 74 confirms many posters suspicions from the past, especially peter au’s research.. rt news article..;; US publishes docs on ‘dangerous’ Ukrainian biolabs Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2026 21:40 utc | 75 juliania Posted by: james | Jun 12 2026 21:58 utc | 76 The Indian Foreign Minister stated that the US specifically asked India to purchase Russian oil to help stabilize the oil market. Previously, the US had tried to prohibit India from buying Russian oil. Initially, Indians bought Russian oil at a discount, but after the start of the Epstein coalition’s war against Iran, they began buying it at a premium, when Russian oil briefly outperformed even Brent. Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 12 2026 22:14 utc | 77 @35 Valllir “Talk to persiflo in his Avanted” I don’t know what Avanted is, I looked it up and it is a music platform forum ? I am quite cynical, in the ‘believe it when I see it sense’, but also open to ideas, as ideas. About the only thing I am relatively sure of is that there is ‘higher’ intelligence, as well as not human intelligence, present or at work in the world. So I cannot discuss much, just share my own perception and experience, various anecdotes. I don’t do drugs, I don’t pursue or study occult etc. , the closest I remember being reading a handbook on Chakras once. However, a lot of people have shared their thoughts and experiences with me, unsolicited and for no apparent reason, and I have my own also. I think the soundest advice is not to look for effect or sensation, not to try to force perception. In other words people are at where they are at, and for good reason. Mostly I observe that people are not aware that they are aware. That is to say they react to forces around them naturally, but are not conscious of doing so, that that is what they are acting to. There is no reason why anyone should be conscious , either, as it changes the experience to perceive it, for example. Generally I find people quite loaded, so prefer a lot of space and am more at home in the natural world or simpler traditional society :-/ Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2026 22:20 utc | 78 Meanwhile in China… the GaoKou ended. (The GaoKou is the single most important test for Chiense students. It is roughly equivalent to the SAT, only far more difficult and comprehensive.) Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Jun 12 2026 22:20 utc | 79 I feel you, Ornot. My personal trajectory has left me with a similar conclusion to yours, although I have not given up that our ability to reason (Vernunft), as Vernunft, is a worthwhile pursuit. Yes is the word to everything, as someone above said. As someone else (Walther von Lucadou) memorably said to me once, no is the most important word for any individual. Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2026 22:49 utc | 80 Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 11 2026 23:23 utc | 27 Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2026 22:53 utc | 81 I also loved the elephants and the trombones! Perhaps the bird band would have fun with a Gamelan? Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2026 22:55 utc | 82 Well, I’m sure you, Ornot, have not given up on Vernunft entirely too. Sorry for making it sound so. Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2026 22:59 utc | 83 Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2026 22:49 utc | 82 Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2026 23:00 utc | 84 Much celebratory coverage in the Wurlitzer about Elon Musk becoming the “worlds first trillionaire”… Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 12 2026 23:08 utc | 85 I am delighted – I duckduckwent and found the essay at a lovely site: read.aimeepong.com :
Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2026 23:18 utc | 86 ‘Generally I find people quite loaded, so prefer a lot of space and am more at home in the natural world or simpler traditional society :-/’ Hi Ornot! Thank you for all you do. Your past reports and your continuing care and conern for all the innocent peoples being slaughtered all over the globe is beyond commendable. I am curious as to how much time you are actually able to spend in the natural world? Do you post from a mobile device while enjoying nature and the traditional ways? Thank you again for all you do. Posted by: Agonizing Reappraisal | Jun 12 2026 23:31 utc | 87
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 12 2026 1:08 utc | 32 Posted by: joey_n | Jun 12 2026 23:52 utc | 88 All of the barflies need to stop smelling the malodorous fumes from the dying American Empire and look East. The half a century of the consumerism era is over, and a new era of serious frugality is upon us. I, for one, am hopeful. Posted by: arby | Jun 13 2026 0:17 utc | 89 @82 persiflo “My favourite candidate to take over might be lichens, for they have much less of the ballast we carry…” I have thought about this also. Without outside help, I don’t know if there is time or opportunity for new species to evolve to the knowledge and understandings mankind now holds, this being due to the solar timeframe. Meaning as far as survival goes, lacking outside intervention, life on earth is pretty much doomed unless means of travel are found. We can take life as the journey and not the destination and problem solved, but that just comes across as nihilistic. I suppose some kind of spiritual understanding of the meaning of that might be adequate, but it does go against the most basic natural tenet, that of survival and continuity. That creation is vast and this world is but a grain of sand to it all still does not seem right, the effort of billions of years of evolution with all its beauty and complexity just vanishing ? If there are extraterrestrials present, I would imagine those as stewards or custodians and earth as a place of study, to be allowed its own evolution. This all overlaps with simplicity, it is not hard to understand that even one world with all that occurs in one day is vast beyond imagining, that it is not repeatable, or mechanical. Most creatures are very aware of the present and do not much reason, they are perceptive faster than a thought. Telepathy is similar, and also as to languages as I understand them. You cannot demand repetition, or in other words if there is not the sense, repeating definition as objective does not work, it does not carry. Telepathy is for real, I say that without any doubt, but positively expect that no one believe that off-hand, until they have discovered this for themselves. That is to say, doubting is reasonable but programmed denial is not, is negative. Metal detecting is great self exercise in that respect, nice signal, glimmer of gold there…an old coin ! No, a bottle cap. You learn where your ambition is coming from, how it gets projected. Then, when you do find something special, you can hardly believe it. So anyway, simpler society is not more limited to my view, is not less complex, it is just less absorbed with its own complexities. Another way of looking at that is that complex systems introduce weaknesses, reliances that can be misleading or unnecessary. I don’t agree with backward evolution either, nor of imposing a reality, at the same time though what might be labelled as a more complex modern society is in fact more monolithic and less sentient, caught up in certain details and competitions at the expense of many others. I won’t be the judge, but I do look at the world around and notice what is being lost, and without any reasonable justification for such a direction. A simplified example. By a canal a horse can pull forty tonnes iirc, which would carry goods throughout a country at minimal energy expense. It is slow, so to have goods available immediately anywhere means storehouses and forward delivery. Compared to just in time factory to customer and road transport ? Localised production versus global supply lines ? No one is saying be a peasant, there are low labour farming techniques and a barge might have a plush cabin nowadays and be largely automatic. Rail might be similar. The complexity found is that of the life of a bargemaster, of local interaction where a society knows itself, of reliance and attention to the next person because of depending on them as opposed to a cheque through the post to be spent on goods from half the way round the world that let you watch nature on a screen. It isn’t of not being on the same page… “I’d advocate to seek enlightened harmony with creation, protecting and advancing it carefully from the heart as well as the mind” …which I agree with, just of trying to understand where what we have now has gone somewhat wild. Funny, reminds me I wrote a reply to Pat about his working class post, must go back and finish it…and have written way too long a post here also. Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2026 0:36 utc | 90 solar + battery storage is more cost effective per kW than any fossil fuel system.Posted by: fnord | Jun 11 2026 22:03 utc | 168Perhaps in the U.S., but elsewhere the cost of sufficient battery storage is too high, which is why the problem of periods of low sunlight and excess renewable energy arises, leading to consideration of nuclear power plants as a buffer.Solar power is one solution, but it is not THE solution everywhere. Posted by: Samu | Jun 13 2026 0:39 utc | 91 @85 persiflo I didn’t read it as meaning that, just as self reflection. Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2026 0:41 utc | 92 Posted by: Samu | Jun 13 2026 0:39 utc | 98 Posted by: Samu | Jun 13 2026 0:46 utc | 93 I enjoyed your post, Ornot 97! that was a sensitive take, not too long, and I can agree with nearly everything. Posted by: persiflo | Jun 13 2026 0:52 utc | 94 @102 persiflo “I can agree with nearly everything” Just as long as you are still able to say ‘No’. Prophecy, pre-destiny and fatalism …those are difficult concepts, if we even have a choice on whether to discuss them. Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2026 1:22 utc | 95
Yes. Posted by: persiflo | Jun 13 2026 1:31 utc | 96 @106 persiflo The reason I say that is because of a particular experience, that still leaves me wondering. When young I was sat at a table with a conversation between adults. I would never interupt that. Someone I held (and still hold) very close was saying about what they would be up to that day. When they said they would be back around a certain time I interrupted loudly and decisively “No you won’t”. I had no reason to say that, there was no ‘turning up late’ stories etc. , no bad feelings towards them, the person was reliable and honest. I don’t even know why I spoke, everyone seemed agitated embarrassed, conversation ended and everyone went their way. Rest of story is as I had said. So it leaves me wondering, did I affect what happened to him. If what occurred was predestined and I had communicated it, how can some things be predestined and others not. It does not make sense. Meaning from that perspective, your “Yes” was not even a choice, nor anything else is. Something I have never managed to reconcile, nor maybe am destined to. Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2026 1:50 utc | 97 My guess is you’re only guessing what the “reason” was you were “banned”; and you wouldn’t even know if it was a technical error on b’s part. Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jun 13 2026 2:14 utc | 98 @108 Ornot To be clearer, motorbike on familiar road vs unmarked new roadworks. I don’t expect an answer, there is nothing anyone could say would convince me one way or another, is something I have only spoken about once before ever to anyone, here it is more regarding philosophical reasoning, or the limits of. Thanks though. Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2026 2:47 utc | 99 Just a message here for a Dialogue Works program that is to come seven hours from now – I won’t be up, but the title speaks for itself:
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