Ooops! Forgot to include a quote from the piece:

The document noted that all students at every Christian college and every congregant at “every major church” in California, Arizona, Nevada, and Colorado has been spied on through their phone’s location data, and targeted with propaganda extolling Israel’s “moral superiority” and “linking the Palestinian population with extremist factions.” The campaign estimates that it has reached well over eight million Americans.

Posted by: Helen Weals | Jun 24 2026 17:47 utc | 3

For me the most enlightening comment and link was this:

Netanyahu’s War on Iran was a Pitch for Israel To Become the Trading Alternative to Hormuz. It Failed. https://mondoweiss.net/2026/06/netanyahus-war-on-iran-was-a-pitch-for-israels-future-and-it-failed/ “Netanyahu has staked Israel’s economic future on becoming a Mediterranean trade hub to replace the Strait of Hormuz. The war on Iran was supposed to make that possible, but it consumed the fiscal space, US backing and Gulf capital needed for it.”  
Posted by: John Gilberts | Jun 24 2026 12:59 utc | 143

Wars don’t always have a single cause or motive, was the above the most significant motive?
Netanyahu’s Feb 28th decapitation attack was intended to close the Strait of Hormuz.
 

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 24 2026 18:45 utc | 5

What’s going on with oil and dollar? 
 
Did Iran start selling oil in dollars, both increasing supply, and increasing demand for dollars, driving oil down and dollar up? Doubt that to be the case but you never know of backroom dealings.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 24 2026 19:06 utc | 7

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 24 2026 18:45 utc | 5
 

Netanyahu’s War on Iran was a Pitch for Israel To Become the Trading Alternative to Hormuz.

 
This hypothesis is interesting, given that this pipeline project actually exists.
 
We also know that, contrary to their lies, the Israelis and Americans were well aware that Iran would close the Strait of Hormuz, if only because they had announced it several times well before the Twelve-Day War.
 
However, for “Netanyahu’s scheme” as presented to secure his pipeline to have any chance of succeeding, the following conditions would have to be met:
 
1) The majority of Middle Eastern oil would have to go to Europe, which would justify a pipeline terminating in Israel on the Mediterranean.
Currently, other destinations that do not pass through the Mediterranean are the majority.
 
2) The cost of transport by pipeline would have to be lower than that of tankers using the Suez Canal.
This is not the case.
 
3) The pipeline option would have to be an alternative to closing the Strait of Hormuz.
 
This is not the case, because as long as Iran, which is the one that can close the strait, remains involved, no country in the region, including Israel, represents a haven of peace.
 
Regardless of how long the Strait of Hormuz remains closed, no one can believe that in the event of a new crisis, an oil port in Israel would be spared, thus justifying investment in a pipeline that would terminate there.
Egypt would be a more logical endpoint, and even then, a pipeline can be bombed.
 
The hypothesis therefore remains largely hypothetical.

Posted by: Sebgo | Jun 24 2026 19:23 utc | 9

@Posted by: Sebgo | Jun 24 2026 19:23 utc | 9

However, for “Netanyahu’s scheme” as presented to secure his pipeline to have any chance of succeeding, the following conditions would have to be met…

Good analysis, I expect, though, that Netanyahu wants ‘yes men’ as advisors. Dollar signs can cloud reason.

March 20, 2026
Israeli officials had hoped the current crisis would create an opportunity for deeper regional cooperation and position Israel as a key energy corridor between Asia and Europe.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1ti5bj9bx

According to Israeli officials, the pipeline concept has been discussed for years, including during U.S. President Donald Trump’s first term. The proposal envisioned a roughly 700-kilometer pipeline from the Saudi city of Yanbu, crossing Jordan to Eilat, and then linking to the Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline, which would carry oil to the Mediterranean and European markets.
As an interim solution, the plan also considered transporting oil by tanker to Eilat, before transferring it overland to Ashkelon.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 24 2026 19:43 utc | 11

 
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/6/24/iran-war-live-trump-tehran-at-odds-over-nuclear-inspections-hormuz
If you’re just joining us  Here’s a quick look at the latest developments: 
 
– US top diplomat Marco Rubio says he has had “very frank” talks with Gulf leaders during a trip to the region while vowing Washington will not “do anything that undermines” regional security amid negotiations with Tehran. 
 
– Iran has hit back at comments by Rubio linking regional instability to Iran-backed groups, with the Iranian Foreign Ministry blaming a lack of peace on “American militarism and interventionism” and Israeli “impunity”. 
 
– Israeli artillery shelling and a drone attack have been reported in southern Lebanon, killing at least two people, according to the Lebanese National News Agency. 
– Israel’s defence minister says the country has no plans to withdraw from southern Lebanon and thaWashington has not demanded that Israeli troops be pulled out of the country. 
– A 29-year-old Palestinian man has been shot and killed by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank, the Palestinian Ministry of Health reports.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 24 2026 20:05 utc | 13

Had a thought about this:
Article from just two days ago.Shin Bet chief said to fear Oct 7-style attack on Eilat, despite no intel on threathttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/shin-bet-chief-said-to-fear-oct-7-style-attack-on-eilat-despite-no-intel-on-threat/ar-AA26gI0W

Shin Bet chief David Zini warned in closed forums recently about a potential mass attack on the southern city of Eilat resembling the Hamas invasion of October 7, 2023, the Haaretz daily reported on Monday, citing several unnamed security sources.According to the report, Zini ordered several senior officials in the security agency to give top priority to preparations for a scenario of a large-scale attack on the city, either from Jordanian territory or by sea, deeming the area a security weak spot due to its relative geographic remoteness.

Shenanigans
@Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 24 2026 20:03 utc | 12
==============
Shin Bet is putting the kabbash / kibosh on Netanyahu’s pipeline dream?And thus lessening Netanyahu’s reasons for attacking Lebanon (in order to keep the Strait of Hormuz closed).
Just a thought.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 24 2026 20:17 utc | 15

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 24 2026 20:17 utc | 15
 
Here’s an interesting anecdote.
 
Did you know that the famous Israeli pipeline, or at least the already existing section running between Ashkelon and Eilat, is half-owned by Iran?
 
It was a joint venture that Israel seized after the fall of the Shah.
Iran won lawsuits seeking compensation, but Israel has consistently refused to pay, including for the Iranian oil it received via that route.
 
I wonder if that money is part of what Iran is claiming today.

Posted by: Sebgo | Jun 24 2026 20:30 utc | 17

ditto! thanks michaelj72 for your many relevant posts…

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2026 20:52 utc | 19

“I have three questions today for Israeli people through this press conference. I want to speak to them directly,” said Sidoti.
What kind of people are your soldiers who would allow a 14 year old child to bleed to death over a 45 minute period?What kind of people are your military leaders that would inculcate a culture that soldiers feel free to do this, acting with total impunity?What kind of people are your leaders? When they give orders, they make statements that encourage this kind of conduct, not merely permit it, but encourage it? 
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 24 2026 19:30 utc | 10
 
And the implied 4th question is “What kind of people are you people, jewraelis?”

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 24 2026 20:59 utc | 21

‘– Iran has hit back at comments by Rubio linking regional instability to Iran-backed groups,’
 
michaelj72 13
 
I havexjust

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 24 2026 21:53 utc | 23

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 24 2026 21:04 utc | 22
FUCK ISRAEL AND THE JEWISH COWARDS THAT RUN IT

Posted by: SUlai | Jun 24 2026 22:01 utc | 25

Here’s an interesting anecdote. Did you know that the famous Israeli pipeline, or at least the already existing section running between Ashkelon and Eilat, is half-owned by Iran? It was a joint venture that Israel seized after the fall of the Shah.Iran won lawsuits seeking compensation, but Israel has consistently refused to pay, including for the Iranian oil it received via that route. I wonder if that money is part of what Iran is claiming today.
Posted by: Sebgo | Jun 24 2026 20:30 utc | 17

Did a search and found this (cannot speak to the source):

Thus, for example, Israel purchased a significant portion — and in some years all — of its oil from the Shah’s regime, while Iran used Israel as a middleman to sell its oil to third countries. The alliance over oil required that Israel and the Shah ensure the safety of shipping routes. This strengthened their partnership in the struggle against Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser’s repeated attempts to promote ideological and military alliances throughout the Middle East that were hostile to Iran and Israel, particularly in the Gulf states and the Arabian Peninsula.
…
As for the consequences for the State of Israel, Ambassador Lubrani wrote that “the implications of a new situation for Israel-Iran relations should the Shah’s rule be undermined are grave, and the current regime of the Shah will be seen as the most positive one for Israel in Iran. Any change in this government will, to the best of our assessment, be to the detriment of our relations with this country.”
Lubrani also that Israel had extensive activities in Iran at the time, including “relationships surrounding the oil supply from Iran (both to supply itself and the Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline), and oil sales such as security-related projects,” and that “the security arrangements that were recently signed create an Israeli commitment to Iran vis-a-vis sensitive areas, as well as Iranian financial commitments that are significant for our national economy.”

https://www.972mag.com/israel-shah-iran-dictatorship/
So…(thinking like Netanyahu)…if regime change fails in Iran then the Strait of Hormuz stays closed and Israel becomes the new oil hub.If regime change succeeds then we can go back to the financially positive relationship we had under the Shah.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 24 2026 22:13 utc | 27

English Outsider 22
 
During the Falklands war my the parents in law went to supper with Admiral Sir John Fieldhouse, the commander in chief.
They prided themselves on not mentioning the war once. What is wrong with these English Etonians that you dare not express any thoughts on active war events?
 
They live their entire lives blanking out moral thought and then want to be taken seriously pontificating  in their retirement?
 
Give me Scott Ritter anytime He’s a mental jet wash, encompassing the realities of armed combat and the senility of the Potus in one short sentence .
 
Why can’t these stiff upper lips just be stiffs ?
Aren’t they bright enough to get AI to jazz up their boring , British reticence?
 
‘Spot of bother on the North West Frontier, darling ‘ means ‘ I am leaving at six in the morning for Afghanistan and I want one last shag before I go meet my death’.
 
There’s a special place in Hell for British, stiff upper lips.
 

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 24 2026 22:23 utc | 29

Jews Are Not As Powerful As They Seem

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 24 2026 22:49 utc | 31

Pipelines are more costly than ships, and pumping stations and sea terminals are easier to bomb.
Posted by: paddy | Jun 24 2026 22:15 utc | 28

This. Ukraine and the Ramadan war have demonstrated the superiority of sea transport over pipelines.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 24 2026 22:54 utc | 33

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 24 2026 22:54 utc | 33
 
Since we are discussing hypotheses, why not consider the negative ones?
 
In other words, rather than promoting the corridor passing through Israel, is it possible that the aggressors’ objective (among others, of course) was to sabotage the North-South corridor promoted by Russia?

Posted by: Sebgo | Jun 24 2026 23:14 utc | 35

@28
“Pipelines are more costly than ships, and pumping stations and sea terminals are easier to bomb.”

Easier than the pumping stations and sea terminals needed to load ships?

Pipelines cost more but provide options. Everything can be bombed if the will is there.

Posted by: yarpos | Jun 24 2026 23:20 utc | 37

From back on the earlier thread:

https://dn760101.eu.archive.org/0/items/carroll-quigley-the-anglo-american-establishment-1981/Carroll%20Quigley%20-%20The%20Anglo-American%20Establishment%20%281981%29.pdf Posted by: suzan | Jun 24 2026 15:19 utc | 160

Thanks for linking to the Quigley website! I downloaded pdf’s of both The Anglo-American Establishment and Tragedy and Hope. Now all that remains is to read them. Hah! I’m doing all my reading nowadays on my laptop. With my old eyes and all, the trifocals I use are pretty poor for reading books, but they work quite well for reading my laptop screen. Me likey pdf files.
Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 24 2026 23:38 utc | 203

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 24 2026 23:40 utc | 39

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 24 2026 22:23 utc | 29
 
Give over, Giyanne.  Of course serving officers don’t gossip about active operations.  That’s not stiff upper lip or evading reality.  That’s basic operational security.
 
Pity your parents aren’t going to dinner with Radakin.  He’d not tell them anything either but your parents could tear him off a strip for confusing PR stunts with real war.  But the unfortunate Ukrainians have done that already, if you listen to them carefully.
 
And please don’t confuse the Falklands War with the shambles we’re looking at today.  The Falklands War was a risky venture and  hastily put together but was, allowing for reverses common in war, a thoroughly professional operation.  The shambles in Ukraine the Milley/Cavoli/Radakin trio dreamed up was amateur night on steroids.
 
So, to return to the subject of this thread, was the shambles in Iran.  Worth listening to Commodore Jermy explaining why that shambles won’t achieve the desired result either. 

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 24 2026 23:47 utc | 41

EO #22
 
Thank you for saying this, EO.  As a highly respected long-time, thoughtful poster here who “b” frequently highlights, your opinion on this matter will (hopefully) have some heft.  I see that some others are already starting to pile on against you with personal attacks, though. Psychologically, it seems they will never be unable to escape from using ‘zionists and jooz’ as scapegoats for their own countries’ imperial actions for centuries. 
 
Extremely violent imperial actions have been going on long before Israel was created in 1948, but some here always ignore it.  They have to blame someone else, some other “tribe”.  Good post, EO.

Posted by: Interstate 80 | Jun 25 2026 0:04 utc | 43

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 24 2026 21:04 utc | 22
 
Thanks EO. 
 
The Commodore has made some very interesting points which tie in with another commentator Dr Hussein Askary on the Cradle.
 
Hussein Askary: How an Iranian victory is geographically redesigning West Asia | Ep. 30
 
Pipelines, trade corridors are all nonsense. Nothing will replace shipping routes.
 
The mitigating factor by both is underwhelming in the long run. A typical container ship can carry 4,500 – 5, 000 TEU equal to 350 – 500 truck load.
 
Imagine the nightmare of a convoy of 350 trucks on the road not to mention the wear and tear, etc.
 
Now, a large ship moves 17, 640 TEU = 8, 820 trucks. Then, there’s oil. 
 
16, 500 tanker trucks for 1 VLCC. In Australia there’s a phrase, “Mate, you’re dreaming!”
 
Nazis, Taliban, Al Queda, ISIS, Boko Haram, Neo Nazis, Zionists – all same animals with different labels to hide the identities of the true masters.
 
I want to mention something else in relations to Iranian negotiations. 
 
In the prior runup to the JCPOA, alternative payment and barter schemes have not been worked out yet. The Government then did not have those fall-back options.
 
Additionally, Iran bent over backwards to avoid conflict at all costs. Iran did not believe it could survive a combined US/Isntreal assault.
 
The complete failure of the JCPOA was the turning point and led to sanctions bypasses. It wasn’t enough to make the country prosperous but enough to stop it becoming a Cuba/Syria/Venezuela basket case. 
The Iraqi lesson is fresh and an ongoing concern for the Iranian leadership.
The assassination of Gen Soleimani sent as a negotiator was a setup and went a long way to understanding that the use of force was the only common language understood.
The 12 Day War taught Iran incredible lessons and for the first time ever, Iran became confident it could prevail a combined attack.
 
If I was cynical, I would say Iran lured the hegemon into a trap, but the reality is Trump/that Polish guy and their handlers were way hubristic and had an unhealthy obsession with Iran.
 
So, Iran has faced its greatest fear and overcome it. 
 
I know Arch thinks otherwise but I urge him to keep the faith. Qalibaf wasn’t lying when he said “We extract concession with missiles not negotiations”.
 
Lastly, Hegemon failed militarily in Ukraine and again in Iran because of COFM.
 
Martyanov must be given due credit as he had been banging home this issue since the beginning even though he is a racist and a very good example of why Russians so much wanted to belong to the European camp instead of its Asian heritage, a problem shared with the older Iranian and Turkist generation.
In his last video, he claimed Chinese cars were inferior to American. Nuff said.
 
  

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 25 2026 0:14 utc | 45

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 24 2026 21:04 utc | 22
 
This is mostly nonsense. While “Israel” may have once been *mostly* a proxy, that description of Zionism fails to take into account the depth to which it has seeped in American (and British?) governance. So explain the latter part. If “Israel” is merely a proxy of the USA (or the American Empire) then why is British society and government so captured by it? Same holds in many western nations.  And of course talk of “antisemitism” – which means….what, exactly? 
 
The part you get right is the comparison to Nazis or Banderites. Yes, modern Zionism inasmuch as it is practiced and in the way its “norms” are forced onto others around them is very much similar. It’s a violent cult comprised primarily of murderous crybullies or those who truly think they are “special” to the point that regular laws and norms don’t apply to them, but apply double to everyone else. 
 
Zionism is a natural offshot of “modern” Judaism. Don’t take it from me, though. Here’s Jewish antisemite Yasha Levine on the topic. https://www.nefariousrussians.com/p/zionism-is-at-the-core-of-judaism

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2026 0:14 utc | 47

Posted by: watcher | Jun 24 2026 23:12 utc | 34
 
Thank you for your retort to EO 
It was right on the money.

Posted by: ld | Jun 25 2026 0:25 utc | 49

Mahmood OD: ‘GAZA INCLUDED’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@Mahmood_OD/videos
 
“Iran confirms to Hamas that Gaza IS included in US deal.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jun 25 2026 0:29 utc | 51

Posted by: Caliman | Jun 24 2026 22:05 utc | 26
 
This is a good way to put it. The former proxy – or those who put its interests on level or higher than the interests of their own people (US, UK, etc.) – have become the master over certain  domains like US foreign polcy in West Asia. Sure of course there are “American” and transnational financial class interests in dominating WA, and if you buy into the 5D chess take on the US/Israel/Iran war, the eventual goal is weakening or fracturing China and swooping in to take advantage via the usual means of debt enslavement, austerity and co-optation of its resources and markets.  
 
The problem is that the 2-10% of motivated Zionist interests happen to overlap with many of Empires existing functions and aims. I can’t think of another comparable situation in history, where the ideology (for lack of a more accurate term) endemic to a proxy nation and tiny minority in the imperial core has achieved veritable primacy in so many policy areas. Zionist interests buying up media and taking ownership of social media to censor critical reportage, a new definition of “antisemitism” being forced onto society, integration of military and intelligenc apparatuses despite not even being bound by any formal treaty, allowances and abnormal exceptions for law breaking on every level (local, state, federal), looking the other way when the proxy actively harms American interests or kills Americans, totally contorting interpretations and enforcement of customs, norms and international law in truly Orwellian ways, and leadership that effectively does put “Israel” and Zionist interests above those of the electorate with no remotely justifiable reason – even and especially in ways that provide zero geostrategic/geoeconomic benefits to anyone but Zionist supremacists. 
 
The situation cannot hold indefinitely. Where “Israel” once served as an ostensibly useful proxy during the Cold War, it has metasasized into something else entirely in the post-911 years. And again, yes, there are many overlapping interests shared with the security/carceral/surveillance state which always seeks to abrogate and hold new and greater powers using any excuse available. But defining anti-Zionism as “antisemitism” is probably the flimsiest justification I’ve ever seen.  Because I’m sorry, but the notion that pure “Jew hate” is a) rampant or b) a real problem to be tackled in lieu of the many other problems that afflict the west, is simply bullshit.  

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2026 0:34 utc | 53

R2R: ‘Who Will Control The Strait of Hormuz’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@reason2resist/videos
 
“Iran war update: Strait of Hormuz| Stunnning new US poll| Lebanese front.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jun 25 2026 0:38 utc | 55

“So explain the latter part. If “Israel” is merely a proxy of the USA (or the American Empire) then why is British society and government so captured by it?”
 
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2026 0:14 utc | 46
 
Because it suits them that way.  It is in accordance with their foreign policy objectives and with Western foreign policy objectives overall.
 
Worth quoting Colonel Lang on the subject.  Israel will exist as long as it’s useful to the United States.  When it ceases to be useful it will cease to exist.
 
Though you must remember that the Colonel was writing at a time when US military power was thought to be very great.  Obviously it’s different now. 
 

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 25 2026 0:44 utc | 57

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 25 2026 0:44 utc | 56
Sayanim

Posted by: Afglifer | Jun 25 2026 1:02 utc | 59

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 24 2026 21:04 utc | 22
 
Thanks for link to Jermy (and to Giyane) – very useful – I have subscribed to his substack and look forward to his utube chan. 

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 25 2026 1:10 utc | 61

It’s very reassuring that China, Russia, and Iran have their eyes on the same prize, a permanent end to the US hot and cold war against their sovereignty, which includes the sovereignty of their critical neighbors and near neighbors. All three know this will take time, very roughly 10 years, and that the US will concede very unwillingly, possibly ‘going down fighting’, the latter which C-R-I very much wants to avoid. 
C-R-I has a level-headed, very experienced, and very smart team, but they’re venturing into the unknown. In that context, I hope the Russians and Chinese respect and learn a lot from what Iran is going through and how it is dealing with the American and vassal snakes and bullies.
Related side comment: Not to excuse all the missed opportunities and delayed actions by Russia in the Ukraine war, but the medium-term nature and collaborative nature of the C-R-I goal sometimes produces short-term actions that seem ‘weird’.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 25 2026 1:11 utc | 63

@64 youngg

Surely you mean for using jews to obfuscate or even protect zionism…

Cannot think of any reason why anyone is not allowed to blame jews, or British, or ‘West’, or anyone else, if they are sincere and that is what they think.

Enlighten us…

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 25 2026 1:59 utc | 65

English Outsider
 
I don’t deal with passive aggression very well,  and Comdr Jemry is about passive aggression  so far as I’m concerned. 
War suffocated by silence .
Those who think this is a tolerable way to behave, deserve the leaders they get.
The only time to discuss the rights and wrongs of war is before they are happening , or during.
 
I don’t  believe in a Government’s right to manipulate others into attacking us, or to attack others, before being attacked.
The Ukraine war was set-up by the US 30 years ago, and the Zionist war 100 years ago by Britain. 
 
When Thatcher decided to smash British industry , she switched to Empire 2 Atlantacism, neo-colonialism, after all the hard learned lessons of WW1 and 2.
 
These were unforgiveable mistakes and I don’t  forgive them. 
To try the same failed policies again and again and expect different results is insanity.
 
We are entering the third phase of hubris, nemesis, ate , with the US taking out Russian NS oil, and Russia having Oreshniks.
 
The idea that nobody should talk about the stupidity of our leaders and its co-warriors US and Israel because it is an active war, happening as we speak, missiles flying into Moscow, is deranged ,stiff upper lip, Nazi  Konservatism.
 
Putin is threatening us with Oreshniks so nobody must speak. 
 
I see no reason at all why anybody should not talk about something because it is currently happening. That is also passive aggression.
 
For somebody to pretend that the rural environment they live in  can hide  the militaristic mindset they subscribe to is just plain dishonest. 
 
British dishonesty at its finest peak.
 
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 25 2026 2:54 utc | 67

English Outsider | Jun 24 2026 21:04 utc | 22 
*** I do wish so many here on “b’s” site weren’t so obsessed with Zionism.  It spills over far too easily into rubbish like anti-semitism.  Sometimes worse than dumb, embarrassing, all this talk of Zionism, as if it were the prime cause of the difficulties we in the West now find ourselves in. “Zionism” is just another flavour of proxy. ***
 
No — it isn’t itself a mere proxy …. it is a non-proxy entity which uses proxies.
An amalgam of ideology and cult.
A mafia with its own agendas and variable-emphasis layers (social, economic, racist, “religious” etc.) 
 
A hell of a lot of extremely rich Oligarchs and corporate heads, financiers, plus bought or recruited politicians, senior bureaucrats and mass-media personnel.  All making sure that the interests of each other, and of course the overall cult package, get promoted whenever possible.
To the inevitable disadvantage or harm of everyone else (those regarded as inherently less important).
 
If you genuinely aren’t opposed to it, to the extent of pretending (to yourself?) that it’s a mirage — that might indicate you being in subconsciously approving  alignment with features of modern dystopia such as the political establishment, neoliberal perpetual-debt economics, transnational corporate imperialism and the Overclass….  all of which it thoroughly saturates and shapes.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 25 2026 2:58 utc | 69

@69 youngg

The point was this:

There are different camps, to simplify:

One blames western imperialism (US, colonialism etc.) for what is occuring.

The other blames ‘Zionism’, meaning religious influences (both jewish and christian), “Israelism” and similar.

EO is apparently in the first camp, that is fair enough. However he then says:

“I do wish so many here on “b’s” site weren’t so obsessed with Zionism. It spills over far too easily into rubbish like anti-semitism.”

Like it or not, Zionism is a main political, religious and ‘cultural’ theme openly at work in guiding or channeling activity on Palestine. Some say it leads, EO says it is a distraction, which is also fair enough.

When he then associates criticising zionism with ‘anti-semitism’, where ‘anti-semitism’ is understood as the ‘persecution blaming of jews’, what he would be doing is to deny any criticism or blaming of zionism because it would be as well blaming jews.

In other words he would be using ‘jews’ to defend zionist actions, so making them responsible in some way.

This is not just a legal question. As Watcher points out, many people make a great effort to distinguish zionism from jews.

At a finer level though, that you might not be aware of, is that in much Western law , i.e. including British, to even insinuate ‘anti-semitism’ is very pointed and controversial.

Saying ‘I hope you are not being anti-semitic’, carries all the associated influence, argument and implication.

In short; a menace, because even an accusation of being ‘anti-semitic’ leads to persecution and penalty.

Jews called for these laws, and did not stop these laws, so I have no sympathy at all when they complain of being blamed. They allow their name to be used to persecute others.

Personally though, I would criticise or blame jews as I felt, as I would any other. If I wanted to blame jews collectively, you would hear about it.

For Palestine and various other however, I would say there is ‘jewish organisation’ behind what is occuring, and it would be true. That is not to lay complete responsibility either, nor to include all jews.

Zionism (or “Israelism” ) is a simpler way of saying that.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 25 2026 3:57 utc | 71

I prefer the term Genocider. 
Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2026 4:18 utc | 82
 
“A breast feeding baby was shot by a quad copter through the head”
 
I prefer to call them “turds”
 

Posted by: Menz | Jun 25 2026 4:27 utc | 73

Why Genocider ?
 
Because it sets in stark terms what this is all about. For example; Pro-Genocide or Anti-Genocide ? 

Posted by: exile | Jun 25 2026 4:35 utc | 75

IDF chief to rabbis: We’re short thousands of troops, need female combat soldiers
 
 
In a meeting with religious Zionist rabbis, IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir stressed the military’s need for both male and female combat soldiers, calling the integration of women into such roles a matter “of tremendous operational importance.”
 
 
The Tuesday meeting came after the rabbis threatened to stop sending their students to serve in tank units due to a pilot program integrating women into the Armored Corps. Their concern is that the students, who observe religious strictures around modesty, would serve too closely with female recruits.
 
 
In a statement on Wednesday, the IDF said Zamir told the rabbis that the military “is still short thousands of combat troops and needs every male and female soldier in order to fulfill its missions and consolidate the campaign’s achievements.”
 
 
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief-to-rabbis-were-short-thousands-of-troops-need-female-combat-soldiers/
 
 

Posted by: exile | Jun 25 2026 4:44 utc | 77

SORRY! I meant: Zionist Jews OR members of the ostensibly non-Zionist Jewish community who seem to have ZERO effect on the rest of their cohort that have waged a decades long genocide and apartheid land theft and murder project. 
 
Can anyone come up with a historical parallel? And no, LoveDonbass’s comment tonight at Indi.ca’s site about the Japanese is not a parallel AT ALL to this situation. 
 
When will the “Jewish” (scare quotes since I have no way to keep track of what that even really means – by their own intention) community who doesn’t support the genocide rise up and put their fellow travelers in check? 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2026 4:48 utc | 79

I mean…I’ve read the comments and done some research. So forgive me if this is out of line, but I count 3-4 ‘major’ Synagogues that deny membership or communion with murderous Zionist apartheid fellow Jews. 
 
Really???
 
I spose one could say “Well how many Catholic churches or dioces deny fellowship with Catholics that support the Empire’s wars?” but then Catholics are so huge in number and Catholic religious leaders aren’t overwhelmingly in support or (conveniently) silent on a genocide being committed by Catholics anywhere in the world at the moment. (I also spose someone could argue…”well what about the colonization of the “New World”?”  but that isn’t the current take coming from the Vatican, now, is it? – not that I’m apologizing for Catholics or any skygod religion). Also “Catholic” is not simultaneously a “race” and a “religion” – now, is it? 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2026 4:52 utc | 81

@allSTOP feeding the troll! 
Posted by: b | Jun 25 2026 4:59 utc | 84

EO? 

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 25 2026 5:08 utc | 85

EO? 
Posted by: tucenz | Jun 25 2026 5:08 utc | 85
 
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I was wondering the same thing myself.  For whom the bell trolls?  I can not believe some here still pine for the return of LD, good grief….

Posted by: Harmonic Resonance | Jun 25 2026 5:17 utc | 87

It’s a shell game whenever the “Israeli” murderer genocidaires are concerned. But the US supports them! The UK sells them weapons! The capitalist elites are behind it? 
 
Yeah? But who’s fucking pulling the trigger and blowing up universities and hospitals, lying about or celebrating it, shoving it in our faces, and telling us we’re bigots for disliking it – then claiming it’s an ancient religious war they’re fighting against….”terrorists”? 
 
Very convenient for this allegedly hated Empire when the people actually doing (and ENJOYING) the wet-work seem to get a pass. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2026 5:25 utc | 89

And as an addendum, assuming you’re allegedly secular or otherwise not hyper-religious: What makes a person a “Jew” or “Jewish”? Is there a biological/genetic marker? When did that get defined? Who defined it and how? 
 
A rough equivalent. I’m “Scottish” but that just means my forebears at one point were born in or resided in Scotland. Where’s Jewland or Zioland? On the other hand, there’s religion. How many Muslims or Christians also categorize their religion or the religion that their forebears practiced but which they’ve let slide define any aspect – or most important identifiable aspect of – their reality? 
 
Why such a marked difference with or WITHOUT the existence of “Israel” in the first place? 
 
Oooh, now I’m being really “antisemitic” aren’t I?! Sorry folks among this cohort (however you define or draw boundaries around it) but us Goy subhuman animals are confused!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2026 5:48 utc | 91

nobody in the USA or Europe is getting much/any oil from the Perisan Gulf – it’s all going to Asia, to India and China and then Japan, South Korea, Philippines etc etc….
my feeling is that the Iranians/Chinese are doing this very much on purpose. oil supplies/reserves will supposedly run out in the EU and USA in more or less 4-5 weeks. and then we will start to see the beginning of the crash. 
BUT…… it just occurred to me, Saudi Arabia is sending at least 4-5 million barrels a day via it’s Red Sea port through the Suez and off to the EU and USA, I suppose. so that’s something. Larry Johnson is just counting what goes through the Strait.
 
 
https://sonar21.com/dire-straits-not-the-band/
Dire Straits… Not the Band  –  25 June 2026 by Larry C. Johnson
 
On Wednesday, June 24, 2026, President Donald Trump claimed that a record volume of oil was flowing through the Strait of Hormuz following the recent US-Iran ceasefire deal. He announced that 19 million barrels of oil had moved through the strait the previous day (Tuesday). He highlighted that pre-war flows averaged over 20 million barrels daily but had dropped sharply (to 1–4 million barrels) during the conflict, and he presented the recent increase as a major success. Here is a shocker… Trump is not telling the full truth. 
 
According to MarineTraffic and related maritime intelligence data for Tuesday, June 23, 2026:  Approximately 7–12 oil tankers (crude and product carriers) transited the Strait of Hormuz, with some sources noting 7 fully tracked tankers (including supertankers) broadcasting AIS signals. 
 
Prior to February 28, 2026 (before the escalation of the 2026 Iran-related conflict), the average number of oil tankers passing through the Strait of Hormuz was approximately 40–50 per day. At best, assuming that 12 oil tankers transited the Strait, this represents only 24% of normal traffic.
 
But this amount barely dents the shortage of heavy crude that now confronts the world. In addition, none of the oil tankers that sailed thru on Tuesday were headed to the US or Europe… All of the oil was headed to Asia, with the majority of the cargo destined for China…..
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Aj4pL4DK0
ichard Wolff & Michael Hudson: Trump Is FUMING! Iran’s MASSIVE Move Just Changed The World OrderDialogue Works  425K subscriber
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2026 6:07 utc | 93

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2026 5:43 utc | 90-91
Let’s state the only real problem directly, the one that annoys the fck out of most middle-class, professional/managerial people and wannabes (but they know they must shut their yaps about it): the strong insider favoritism network among Jews. For jobs, promotions, admissions, all the stuff that’s critical (or seems critical) to professional/managerial careers.
And the above maybe answers your “what is a Jew” question: the main feature of being Jewish is being inside the Jewish favoritism network, which is flexible and happy to strengthen itself by bringing high-value human assets.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 25 2026 6:23 utc | 95

Re: Ethnic Nepotism
 
Is very much fanactically practiced by a certain ethnic group in every venue no matter how trivial. Fanactically. 
 
 
Garden Club election ? Yup.  
Got a reccomendation for a Dog Walker ? Yup 
 
Notice how they always quote their ethnic kin Authors, Musicians, etc.
They boycott the mere mention of  any name outside their ethnic group. 
For example; George the Z., despite  his avowed anti-Genocide credentials, is especially illuminating in this last aspect. 

Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2026 7:26 utc | 97

The decades-long injustice against Palestinians…
https://tinyurl.com/20-century-greatest-injustice
…has fueled regional instability and recurrent military conflicts, which in turn disrupt global shipping lanes and energy markets, driving up costs for everyday goods in the US.
https://tinyurl.com/israel-destroyed-the-us
Hitting Americans where it hurts most—their wallets—may finally force the kind of attention that moral outrage alone has failed to achieve.
Long live Palestine!
https://tinyurl.com/palestine-stolen

Posted by: John Dael | Jun 25 2026 7:38 utc | 99