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June 11, 2026
Iran Open Thread 2026-123

News & views related to the war on Iran …

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Posted by: General Factotum | Jun 12 2026 3:30 utc | 288
Moar kowbell fur shur
I hope everyone is well out there in MoAville.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 12 2026 4:45 utc | 301

What percentage of Americans agree with the world that Trump is a raving lunatic and a genocidal maniac taking their country into the realms of terrorist regime?

Posted by: rosross | Jun 12 2026 4:46 utc | 302

No comments from white person hating, likely rapist of innocent American white girls ‘duck n cover’ tonight? 
 
Wouldn’t surprise me if that person was a registered sex offender and desperately stalking a few of the white people it hates. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2026 5:09 utc | 303

genocidal maniac taking their country into the realms of terrorist regime?
Posted by: rosross | Jun 12 2026 4:46 utc | 303
 
Oh come the f*ck on. Trump is just open about it. Every American president has taken part in genocide and the whole country’s identity is based on it when you peel back the PR bullshit. 
 
This is peak naivete to think that Trump is an outlier in any other fashion that that he does things “his” way. And upwards of 30% of innocent peace loving Americans approve. I’d wager almost all of them (>80%) are white. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2026 5:11 utc | 304

IRGC Navy foils US-provoked attempt to illegally transit Strait of Hormuz: Report
 
Sounds of explosions heard in Sirik County were caused by the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy confronting a deviant oil tanker that attempted to illegally transit the Strait of Hormuz in violation of Iranian security directives, according to a report.
 
t.me/presstv/193733
Jun 12 at 13:15

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 12 2026 5:42 utc | 305

Yanquistan just threw a wave of 49 Tomahawk missiles at Iran in its latest exchange.
 
A wave that would have toppled any regular country.
 
Iran didn’t even blink.
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 12 2026 5:45 utc | 306

The latest developments suggest that Trump has now applied the Israeli model of “fake ceasefire” in Gaza and Lebanon to Iran, i.e. saying that there is a “ceasefire”, but violating it whenever it wants: 
 
Posted by: Ismaele | Jun 12 2026 4:39 utc | 300
 
 
Really only works with very weak opponents that don’t have missiles of their own and the ability to eliminate every American base in the region.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 12 2026 5:47 utc | 307

From Quds 50 minutes ago
 

Breaking | Israeli warplanes have carried out an airstrike targeting the town of Jibchit in the Nabatieh district of southern Lebanon.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 12 2026 6:19 utc | 308

@Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2026 3:56 utc | 295
Thats gibberish mate

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jun 12 2026 6:36 utc | 309

Trump is Israel-first, so his mind is clouded with zionist mucus, which sends him spiraling in every direction like a fly circling a pile of Israeli feces and undecided about which side to feast on.
https://tinyurl.com/they-conquered-the-west

Posted by: John Dael | Jun 12 2026 6:47 utc | 310

USA war crimes, and Iranian resourcefulness
 
 
 
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/2065330098438295564
Drop Site  @DropSiteNews
 
🇮🇷 Iran restored water service in under 12 hours after a U.S. strike hit water storage and distribution facilities in parts of Sirik country in the country’s south, the head of the regional water utility said. 
 
Abdolhamid Hamzeei, CEO of the Hormozgan Water and Wastewater Company, said the early-morning attack badly damaged two reservoirs, of 500 and 2,000 cubic meters, serving 20,000 people in the city of Kouhestak and the Bamani district, according to WANA. Sirik County sits on Iran’s southern coast along the Gulf of Oman, near the Strait of Hormuz. 
 
Hamzeei said crews, heavy machinery, and support teams were deployed immediately and worked around the clock to replace the damaged facilities and lay a new transmission line. Service to Kouhestak and the villages of Bamani was fully restored within 12 hours, he said.
 

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 12 2026 7:23 utc | 311

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2026 3:45 utc | 290
Further information to support your conclusion.
https://indi.ca/how-this-is-the-worst-world-cup-already/

Posted by: Vragtes | Jun 12 2026 7:41 utc | 312

Iran shot down two more MQ-9 Reaper drones over Iran last night.
 
https://x.com/imetatronink/status/2064579131254452635

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 12 2026 7:47 utc | 313

Trump told us all a few days ago that w/o the super-duper-top-secret transponder off oil tanker operation……oil would be $250/barrel.
 
equals$10/US gallon in the US
3€/liter in EU
 
 

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 7:53 utc | 314

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 7:53 utc | 315
 
Nothing has changed for oil IMO. US crude oil inventory keeps getting drawn down, and almost all tankers in the Persian gulf are ridden with barnacles, which could potentially halve their speed and double fuel consumption if/when they start going.
 
IMO it’s mostly paper games. Many valued analysts I’ve been watching say oil will float to $200, say – by end of 2028. And there are other factors playing into it too.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 12 2026 7:55 utc | 315

Slovenia’s New Government Lifts Ban on Arms Sales to Israel
 
https://sputnikglobe.com/20260612/slovenias-new-government-lifts-ban-on-arms-sales-to-israel-1124299794.html
 

Posted by: smartfox | Jun 12 2026 8:09 utc | 316

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jun 12 2026 3:50 utc | 292
 
Thank you for your reply
You are absolutely right. But there are biases.
 
What plays a significant role in the decisions of economic actors is the ease of access to the resource, which determines availability and price, and which is not solely determined by proximity or ethic considerations.
 
If Russian oil is cheaper in Africa despite the distance and transportation costs, it will always have a market there.
 
Gas used for heating or plastics are automatically separated in large quantities during refining, whereas it is more complicated to separate them from natural gas.
 
Sulfur exists in mineral form underground, but it is the sulfur separated during oil refining that is easier to obtain pure and in large quantities.
 
The Haber-Bosh process for producing ammonia and urea uses natural gas and has become the established industrial standard.
There are other chemical methods for obtaining ammonia; it’s simply a matter of cost and the economic maturity of the technology.
 
The electric car had a head start at one point in the early days of the automobile, but it was the internal combustion engine that ultimately prevailed.
 
It would be naive to believe that simply because a “cleaner” alternative exists, a widely used good or process will be replaced. It’s more complicated than that.
 
In Africa, several countries have subsidized cooking gas in the hope of replacing the use of wood.
But a traditional stove costs next to nothing, while a gas stove costs more than the average monthly income.
As a result, wood and charcoal still account for over 80-90% of consumption.
 
New and renewable energies make us all dream. But they won’t replace oil so easily.

Posted by: Sebgo | Jun 12 2026 8:47 utc | 317

https://youtu.be/sJoPfKBNXgo?is=3OyWPQ5LScW8g1Q4

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2026 8:50 utc | 318

Does I-law permit an aggressor state to enter the premises, jurisdiction, essence and sovereignty of an invaded state, and to
 
a. expropriate the  raw materials of the invaded state to the possession and control of the aggressor state?
 
b. expropriate the produced materials (EU) to the possession and control of the aggressor state,
 
c. install in the invaded states on terms acceptable to the invading state, a new government in the invaded stated.
 
d. Bulcanize the invaded state by dividing it into a series of smaller states.
 
e. reduce the size of the territory of the invaded state by  expropriating parts of the territory to the invading state
 
f. reduce the size of the territory of the invaded stated by  gifting parts of the invaded state to other sovereign states. 
what does the UN say about this?  
 
Does the settlement process from this Usreal/Iran war offer the world an opportunity to offer an opportunity to establish the answers to these I-law questions in definite politically and judicially inescapable ways? 
If sovereignty is to respected one set of answers should emerge, if use of force is to trump sovereignty then another set of answers might emerge.. Either way, I think it important to humanity to understand the answers to these questions. I-law should be made by bottom up humanity and enforced in top down manner against the nations that live in the nation state system. 
 
Israel was permitted to join the UN on 3 conditions:1. The status of Jerusalem w/n/b altered. 2. the Palestinians w/b permitted to return3. The partition agreement w/b/e final borders.UN accepted Israel on condition that it accept the Right of return of the Palestinian refugees.  Admission of Israel to membership in the UN (general assembly Resolution 273 of May 11, 1949) requires Israel to comply with general resolution 194 of December 11, 1948 to which stated it agreed to comply with this resolution.. http://representativepress.org/Israel/ViolatesResolution.html.
 
Somehow the rules the UN makes and conditions it stipulates need to be made enforceable if the UN is to remain viable. 
 
Posted by: snake | Jun 11 2026 23:35 utc | 340

Posted by: snake | Jun 12 2026 8:52 utc | 319

snake 320
 
 ‘Admission of Israel to membership in the UN (general assembly Resolution 273 of May 11, 1949) requires Israel to comply with general resolution 194 of December 11, 1948 to which stated it agreed to comply with this resolution.. http://representativepress.org/Israel/ViolatesResolution.html.
 
Somehow the rules the UN makes and conditions it stipulates need to be made enforceable if the UN is to remain viable. ‘
 
Well said.

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2026 9:10 utc | 320

Somehow the rules the UN makes and conditions it stipulates need to be made enforceable if the UN is to remain viable.  Posted by: snake | Jun 11 2026 23:35 utc | 340
 

The enforcement of law always depends on power. That is why the UN is merely a paper tiger; there is virtually no real power the UN can draw upon. Whatever actions it does take depend on the support of those currently holding power.
Conversely, anyone possessing sufficient power can ignore all resolutions and regulations. There is no higher authority.
The same applies to human rights; they are merely a construct dependent on the will of those in power. They, too, can simply ignore them.
This is why the concentration of power is so dangerous for humanity: everything comes to depend on the will of a few. The media might represent a potential “power,” but they are in the same boat.
That is why peace is only possible if the propagators of propaganda (the media) are also held accountable. Put simply: those who propagate violence should be treated as perpetrators.

Posted by: smartfox | Jun 12 2026 9:12 utc | 321

Wired for War: new revelations expose Israeli cyber-spooks
 
BlackCore has targeted elections in France, New York, Scotland, and two African states, officials in Paris have claimed
 
 
https://www.rt.com/news/641451-israeli-firm-nyc-scotland-election-meddling/
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Jun 12 2026 9:23 utc | 322

Another week, another draft. A perfect excuse for Trump to bomb Iran once more after they say no to it or deny it.
 

Iran’s semi-official Mehr news agency has published a list of terms that are reportedly in the draft memorandum of understanding with the US. It cites a source close to the Iranian negotiating team, but the details have not been confirmed publicly by either Tehran or Washington. The report says the text is yet to be finalised by the Iranian leadership.According to the report, the draft includes 14 points:🔸Permanent and immediate cessation of war on all fronts, including Lebanon.🔸The US’s “commitment to non-interference in Iran’s internal affairs” and respect for its sovereignty.🔸Lifting of US naval blockade within 30 days.🔸Withdrawal of US forces from around Iran.🔸Reopening the strait of Hormuz within 30 days “with Iranian arrangements”.🔸Suspension of US sanctions on Iranian oil.🔸US and allies to draw up reconstruction plans for Iran “worth at least $300bn”.🔸Sixty days of negotiations to reach a final agreement “based on nuclear issues and the complete lifting of” sanctions.🔸Reiterating Iran’s commitment not to produce nuclear weapons.🔸During the negotiations, the US will not increase its forces in the region or impose new sanctions.🔸Release $24bn in blocked Iranian funds.🔸Establishing a monitoring mechanism to implement the agreement.🔸Final agreement to be approved by a UN security council resolution.🔸The final negotiations will not begin before the release of half of Iran’s frozen funds, the suspension of oil sanctions and the lifting of the naval blockade. “Discussions about Iran’s missile programme and support for resistance groups have been definitively removed from the agenda.”

Posted by: pinche | Jun 12 2026 9:32 utc | 323

Ok who’s lying?

“Iranian media published new details of the memorandum of understanding between Iran and the United States: the United States pledged to lift sanctions, withdraw its troops from the vicinity of Iran, lift the naval blockade, open the Strait of Hormuz and unfreeze Iran’s frozen assets”

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/RAnjW4Jk6H-tf2XV3Hmfpw

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 10:10 utc | 324

Is the reformist faction conducting secret negotiations with US without letting the IRGC know?

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 10:11 utc | 325

Posted by: pinche | Jun 12 2026 9:32 utc | 324

LOL Iran must be such stupid fools anyone can sell them a slightly used bridge if they really believe US will even honour just one of those points.
Actually they just might be stupid enough to believe that😞

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 10:13 utc | 326

smartfox 322
 
Identifying  propagandists for war is becoming easier, because AI excludes humanity and conscience. 
Its use therefore immediately identifies it as malicious or malignant, even if recited by a real human.
 
It should be possible to use AI to identify AI thinking. Same as billion dollar US Defence radars systems are being taken out by Ianian missiles.
 
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has given the world hope that the US bully is easily defeatable.

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2026 10:34 utc | 327

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 10:10 utc | 325
Someone is playing the same game as Trump : “I negotiated the best peace deal ever” … it’s fun to watch 🙂

Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 12 2026 10:39 utc | 328

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has given the world hope that the US bully is easily defeatable.
Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2026 10:34 utc | 328
 
It’s not just the U.S., and I’m afraid that hope was illusory.
I’m not an optimist; history speaks against it.

Posted by: smartfox | Jun 12 2026 10:42 utc | 329

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 12 2026 5:45 utc | 307 “Yanquistan just threw a wave of 49 Tomahawk missiles at Iran in its latest exchange.  A wave that would have toppled any regular country.  Iran didn’t even blink.”
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Hmm, so the 47 that Obama fired into Syria in 2014 were 2 short of making Assad flee? 
 

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 12 2026 10:44 utc | 330

Posted by: General Factotum | Jun 12 2026 3:30 utc | 288Moar kowbell fur shur. I hope everyone is well out there in MoAville.
Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 12 2026 4:45 utc | 302

 
😀 Why thank you both, lex talionis and General Factotum! We feathered friends do too hope everyone else is well out there in MoAville. In fact, I’d invite the brain trust here to have a little fun in the open topic thread and help create a musical mixtape playlist while ‘the band plays on’ towards disaster.
 
🙂 The theme for this Trumpenyahu USraeli v Iran War season’s mixtape is MOAR KOWBELL! Woodpecker friend is on the drum set, perhaps I can wrestle Wren and Peacock to warble and croon, and maybe an exaltation of starlings for choral backup singing.
 
The background projected video visual will be a montage of daily life, a transparent faucet dripping oil, and a transparent clock ticking away.
 
So far we’ll play classics like:

  • Blue Öyster Cult – (Don’t Fear) The Reaper
  • Climax Blues Band – Couldn’t Get it Right

And feel free to hop into the Open Thread and put up your Trumpenyahu USraeli v Iran War music requests. 🙂 Because the least we could do during crazy times is take a moment to hop & dance like no one’s watching (your elites sure are not) and enjoy things like it’s the last time. 😀

Posted by: titmouse | Jun 12 2026 10:46 utc | 331

🇮🇷 Iran restored water service in under 12 hours after a U.S. strike hit water storage and distribution facilities(…)
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 12 2026 7:23 utc | 312

 
Any news from that bridge on the Baltimore Harbour?
 
Has the FED finished printing money to pay the consulting company on how to study the debris removal despite the possibility of a risk of water in the area?
 
Have the lawyers agreed on their fees?

Posted by: Asian Frog | Jun 12 2026 10:50 utc | 332

LOL Iran must be such stupid fools anyone can sell them a slightly used bridge if they really believe US will even honour just one of those points.Actually they just might be stupid enough to believe that
Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 10:13 utc | 327

 
Disrespectful bullshit comments like that, Surferket, indicate that fundementaly that your views are shit. 
 
 
 

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 12 2026 10:53 utc | 333

Hmm, so the 47 that Obama fired into Syria in 2014 were 2 short of making Assad flee?
 
Posted by: ed4 | Jun 12 2026 10:44 utc | 331
 

Officially, those were aimed at ISIS and not intended to regime change Assad. Just sayin what the establishment story was at the time, not necessarily agreeing.

Posted by: Tel | Jun 12 2026 10:55 utc | 334

To have even minimal chances of securing a real peace arrangement, Iran needs to insist that the U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLICLY PROMISES TO HONOR BASIC TERMS, such as non-interference in domestic matters according to the time-honored principles of the Peace of Westphalia. 
At a minimum, President Trump, VP Vance, Secretary of State Rubio and two or three Democratic leaders would need to state, in separate, prominent, public appearances before American audiences, that it is in America’s interest to respect Iran’s interests as an independent country, and that the U.S. will honor those principles, now and in future.  
This kind of mechanism – insisting on public promises affirmed in public before a group’s own constituency – was used with some success to stem a rash of hostage taking by various groups in the Lebanon in the 1970s.   
Obviously, many other arrangements on the ground (e.g. withdrawal of forces and removal of bases and other facilities) need to be in place for any peace arrangement to “take” at least for a period. 

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Jun 12 2026 10:56 utc | 335

REPOSTING with corrected formatting (double line returns)
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To have even minimal chances of securing a real peace arrangement, Iran needs to insist that the U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLICLY PROMISES TO HONOR BASIC TERMS, such as non-interference in domestic matters according to the time-honored principles of the Peace of Westphalia. 
At a minimum, President Trump, VP Vance, Secretary of State Rubio and two or three Democratic leaders would need to state, in separate, prominent, public appearances before American audiences, that it is in America’s interest to respect Iran’s interests as an independent country, and that the U.S. will honor those principles, now and in future.  
This kind of mechanism – insisting on public promises affirmed in public before a group’s own constituency – was used with some success to stem a rash of hostage taking by various groups in the Lebanon in the 1970s.   
Obviously, many other arrangements on the ground (e.g. withdrawal of forces and removal of bases and other facilities) need to be in place for any peace arrangement to “take” at least for a period. 

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Jun 12 2026 10:58 utc | 336

MoU / “the United States pledged to lift sanctions, withdraw its troops from the vicinity of Iran, lift the naval blockade, open the Strait of Hormuz and unfreeze Iran’s frozen assets”
Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 10:10 utc | 325

 
A US pledge, how sweet.
 
Hopefully, Iran will demand that no weather-changing radar array be placed (back) in West Asia.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Jun 12 2026 10:58 utc | 337

REPOSTING with corrected formatting Posted by: Pacific Observer | Jun 12 2026 10:56 utc | 336
 
To have even minimal chances of securing a real peace arrangement, Iran needs to insist that the U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLICLY PROMISES TO HONOR BASIC TERMS, such as non-interference in domestic matters according to the time-honored principles of the Peace of Westphalia. 
 
At a minimum, President Trump, VP Vance, Secretary of State Rubio and two or three Democratic leaders would need to state, in separate, prominent, public appearances before American audiences, that it is in America’s interest to respect Iran’s interests as an independent country, and that the U.S. will honor those principles, now and in future.  
 
This kind of mechanism – insisting on public promises affirmed in public before a group’s own constituency – was used with some success to stem a rash of hostage taking by various groups in the Lebanon in the 1970s.   
 
Obviously, many other arrangements on the ground (e.g. withdrawal of forces and removal of bases and other facilities) need to be in place for any peace arrangement to “take” at least for a period. 

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Jun 12 2026 10:59 utc | 338

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 12 2026 10:53 utc | 334

Some people get so butthurt they need to make personal attacks.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 11:00 utc | 339

ed4 331
 
When Kellogg’s Tomahawks run out, the underground  treasures of Iran’s missiles can easily replace them, in his mind.
 
When will the meaning of Allahu Akbar  penetrate the Neocons ‘ thick skulls as more powerful than the US MIC ?

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2026 11:01 utc | 340

(…) and that the U.S. will honor those principles, now and in future.(…)
Posted by: Pacific Observer | Jun 12 2026 10:58 utc | 337

 
The Epstein Class honouring principles? Between two parties where they rape, kill and eat babies and children? Have you missed some new governance developments in the last decades?

Posted by: Asian Frog | Jun 12 2026 11:04 utc | 341

I’m not a relegous man other than to say nature is my religeon.
 
But credit where credit is due, the ten comarndments is a good bench mark in life,
 
Perhaps trump could agree to those as a starting point for further negotiations.
 
What with the bible belt vote and all.
 
Or maybe i’m too cynical in my old age.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 11:12 utc | 342

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 12 2026 10:53 utc | 334
Some people get so butthurt they need to make personal attacks.
Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 11:00 utc | 340

 
Some fuckwits prefer to insult a country being attacked by the great satan.

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 12 2026 11:21 utc | 343

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 10:10 utc | 325

 
For maximum comic effect we need some Lego guys handshaking in front of a Lego news scrum … and then a high quality Photoshopped treaty with the classic Trump signature.

Posted by: Tel | Jun 12 2026 11:24 utc | 344

Have just opened the news this morning to learn of the US-Iran agreement to be signed on Sunday.
Where does Isnotreal sit with this agreement?
It is part of Israeli culture to test the boundaries of any agreement, personal, business or otherwise.They will see how much that they can get away with before you try and stop them. That is their culture.
Will Iran react the first time Isnotreal blows up, say, a Palestinian ambulance? 
You know the answer. Isnotreal does not respect any agreement that doesn’t allow them to keep killing civilians.
Isnotreal will keep testing the boundaries further and further until …
==========
February wasn’t that long ago, folks. Nuclear negotiations had reached a major breakthrough on Feb 26th. On Feb 28th Isnotreal attempted a decapitation attack upon Iran.
 

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2026 11:28 utc | 345

Bullshit news – and desception never seizes to grab one by the balls.
 
Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Jun 11 2026 19:04 utc | 107
 
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Goodness!! Have you been taking spelling lessons from Mark2 too?
 
Desistere Diem!

Posted by: General Factotum | Jun 12 2026 11:29 utc | 346

In my earnest opinion, no peace, in any theatre, can last until the aggressors confess to their propaganda campaigns against their own populations.
 
And use their considerable media power to correct their lies. And kill, once and forever, Russophobia, Islamophobia, white supremacism and all other forms of bigotry.

Posted by: necromancer | Jun 12 2026 11:42 utc | 347

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 12 2026 11:21 utc | 344

So insult a country is same as insulting a fellow human being. Good logic there.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 11:45 utc | 348

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2026 11:28 utc | 346

I’d be very surprised Israel would accept any limitations to their evilness.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 11:46 utc | 349

Oops I just insulted a country. Bad me.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 11:47 utc | 350

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2026 11:28 utc | 346
 
Expect DA JOOOOOZ to sabotage it if they can.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2026 11:47 utc | 351

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 11 2026 23:16 utc | 203
 
Your work in putting up links and summaries is greatly appreciated.  Mostly, for me, picking out the Russian statements – always amazes me that most go to Western glosses of those statements instead of going straight to the source – but also on much else.
 
As for the Powell article,  although that’s still speculative it does fit with other summaries I’ve seen to the effect that the Chinese drive for renewables does alter the picture when looking at the effects of the closure or partial closure of the Hormuz strait.  I’ve seen estimates that 20-30% of Chinese energy requirements are now met with renewables.  Put that together with their coal reserves, their increased hydrocarbon imports direct from Russia and their  large oil storage reserves (around 100 days?) and the Chinese aren’t under as much immediate pressure as us as a result of the that closure or partial closure.  Particularly since until very recently Chinese ships still seemed to be getting through!
 
Long term, looks as if the Chinese are doing what ten or twenty years ago  I’d hoped the Germans, who used to be heavily “Green”,  would do in that field.  Go like hell for Green and keep the resultant manufacturing and jobs in country.   It might even have gone that way in England, though our manufacturing base was pretty pathetic even then.   In the event it didn’t really work in either country though to be fair some progress has been made.  Seems to be working to an extent for the Chinese.
 
Under all that is the conflict between high tech Green and hair shirt Green.  As an adherent of the latter, can’t muster much enthusiasm for the Chinese approach even if they might make it work better than we can.
 
Powell’s approach – looking at energy and resources flow rather than the superficial  financials –  is I think mirrored by Commodore Jermy’s approach in England.

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 12 2026 11:47 utc | 352

Does Trump worry about a false-flag from Mossad/CIA now that he is getting close to signing an agreement with Iran? Probably worries more about Epstein.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2026 11:48 utc | 353

Iran/Middle East War Summary: Week Fifteen, 12th June 2026: May be Useful to Some: Iran/Middle East War Summary: Week Fifteen

Posted by: The Busker | Jun 12 2026 11:48 utc | 354

@Posted by: The Busker | Jun 12 2026 11:48 utc | 355
Thanks for your link.
https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/iranmiddle-east-war-summary-week-6b8
 

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2026 12:01 utc | 355

With Trump’s announcement of an agreement with Iran the stock markets will be red hot today.You can be sure of that, 1000x more sure of that then that there will actually be a signing.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2026 12:04 utc | 356

@Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2026 12:04 utc | 357
than
sigh, time for first cup

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2026 12:07 utc | 357

Hmm, so the 47 that Obama fired into Syria in 2014 were 2 short of making Assad flee? 
 
 
Posted by: ed4 | Jun 12 2026 10:44 utc | 331
 
 
The usual dumb shit comment from our resident colonial cocksucker.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 12 2026 12:07 utc | 358

More news about the piss dill, sounds like BS or wishful thinking though, especially the reparations part. In other news, oil shorts are at their record highs and the markets are high on hopium. Is Trump and fam. long this time?
 
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/52236
 
IRNA exclusive: What issues are covered by the memorandum to end the war?The current draft agreement reportedly includes the following general framework:• The nuclear issue remains untouchedNo agreement on Iran’s nuclear file is included in the current memorandum, and Iran is not undertaking any new commitments. Nuclear talks would take place during a 60-day period following the signing of the agreement.• Strait of Hormuz: No transfer of control, no US roleIran is not committing to hand over management of the Strait of Hormuz. The future administration of the waterway would be resolved as a regional matter through dialogue and joint decision-making between Tehran and Oman.• A definitive end to the war on all fronts, including LebanonThe primary objective of the memorandum is to end the war across all regional fronts. The United States would commit to compelling Israel to end the war in Lebanon, and the phrase “extension of the ceasefire” does not appear anywhere in the text.• Release of frozen assets through a defined mechanismPart of Iran’s frozen assets would be released immediately after signing, with the remainder released gradually during the negotiations. Tehran has reportedly received clear guarantees based on mechanisms it proposed.• War reparations on the agendaCompensation for damages inflicted on Iran during the US and Israeli aggression is included in the memorandum. The mechanism for obtaining reparations would be agreed upon during the 60-day negotiations following the signing.• Details of lifting primary and secondary sanctions to be addressed in a final agreementThe removal of all US sanctions and international resolutions would be examined during the 60-day nuclear negotiations.• Three issues and 60 days for a final agreementOnly three issues would be discussed during the 60-day negotiations: continuation of Iran’s peaceful nuclear program, lifting US unilateral sanctions, and mechanisms for compensation. No other issues, including Iran’s missile capabilities, would be on the agenda.

Posted by: pinche | Jun 12 2026 12:24 utc | 359

Posted by: pinche | Jun 12 2026 9:32 utc | 324
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There is no way this text could be agreed on by the US and by Israel. There are concessions needed for them, they won’t give anything.

Posted by: scc | Jun 12 2026 12:30 utc | 360

Posted by: pinche | Jun 12 2026 9:32 utc | 324———————-There is no way this text could be agreed on by the US and by Israel. There are concessions needed for them, they won’t give anything.
Posted by: scc | Jun 12 2026 12:30 utc | 361
 
They needed to calm the markets for the space x ipo launch

Posted by: Feck | Jun 12 2026 12:33 utc | 361

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 11 2026 23:16 utc | 203

Your work is always appreciated and your insights worth consideration. Thanks.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 12 2026 12:35 utc | 362

Re: SpaceX
 
reminds one of:
 
1) Tulip Mania 1634-37
2)  South Sea Conpany 1720
3) Compagnie du Mississippi 1721

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 12:42 utc | 363

I guess Iran has won. They don’t announce major event revolutions on TV.
 
The smart and accurate attacks on US bases and assets created a situation where US can’t take it any more.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 12 2026 12:44 utc | 364

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 12:42 utc | 364
 
Xaxctly

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2026 12:44 utc | 365

With Trump’s announcement of an agreement with Iran the stock markets will be red hot today.You can be sure of that, 1000x more sure of that then that there will actually be a signing.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2026 12:04 utc | 357

 
SpaceX IPO could be the sign that marks the 2008 GFC style crash.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 12 2026 12:45 utc | 366

As ridiculous as Trump is, what are we to think of the Iranians if they ever do sign a peace agreement with America?  The western oligarchs are lunatics.  Doesn’t mean there can’t be oligarchs on the eastern half of the planet.  We’re going to need more padded cells!

Posted by: EoinW | Jun 12 2026 12:53 utc | 367

After giveing negotions a more than fair chaince, the great Vladimir Putin.  Saw through the american insincerty and put a stop to so called talks.
 
Iran should do likewise.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 12:55 utc | 368

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 12 2026 11:47 utc | 353

I live in China and our pump prices got a cut because they are buying cheaper!
What shortages?
Slightly more than 50% of monthly new cars bought are NEVs so the dependency on gasoline is going down.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 12:56 utc | 369

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 12 2026 11:47 utc | 353
In China it’s liter. Driving petrol engined cars is actually expensive if you’re going long distance. Can be easily RMB¥1,000+ for long road trip.
That’s why more people are switching to electric which has many charging stations now everywhere and quick charge can be 10 minutes full if you’re using latest BYD Blade batteries and charging points.
北京市最新汽油价格 – 行业数据中心
2026年6月5日至6月18日北京市92号汽油8.35元/升,95号汽油8.89元/升,较上期下降0.43元/升。下一轮调整时间窗口:2026年6月18日24时预测下调

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 13:07 utc | 370

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2026 12:44 utc | 366
 
I was ragging on Chinese too. Or was it you white people for believing the self promoting deceit coming out China cuz it promises to fulfil your George Jetson fantasies?
 
No social revolution necessary. Just buy Chinese! China and its ruling class are not the west’s business partners! They are leading us into the future. There is no ecological crisis caused by centuries of capitalist destruction. Just buy Chinese!
 
Go shopping. 
 
If we measure the value a society places on speech, logos, by what happens in a court of law, like the Iliad does, cf Achilles’ shield, then how does China compare with any other country by that metric? 
 
Equally fucked thats how. Like anyone promoting China or Russia as humanity’s saviors. 
 
Now back to my regular program of pissing on the people that matter:
 
Tom q collins.

Posted by: Duck n cover | Jun 12 2026 13:09 utc | 371

I live in China and our pump prices got a cut because they are buying cheaper!What shortages?Slightly more than 50% of monthly new cars bought are NEVs so the dependency on gasoline is going down.
 
Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 12:56 utc | 370
 
Since you actually live in China, what’s your take on this article? IIRC, Iran accounted for about 5% of China’s oil imports before the US war on Iran, but China seems to be cutting imports even more.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/China-Is-Learning-to-Use-Less-Oiland-Thats-a-Bigger-Deal-Than-It-Sounds.html

Posted by: pinche | Jun 12 2026 13:11 utc | 372

A US pledge, how sweet.
Posted by: Asian Frog | Jun 12 2026 10:58 utc | 338
 
 
“Broken Treaties With Native American Tribes: Timeline
 
From 1778 to 1871, the United States signed some 368 treaties with various Indigenous people across the North American continent.”
 
https://www.history.com/articles/native-american-broken-treaties
 
 
Three hundred sixty eight ‘treaties’ with the folks who were here first, and the US broke all of them as far as I can tell.

Posted by: GreatLakesObserver | Jun 12 2026 13:14 utc | 373

Yes, use Google. No fantasy, no joke. You need a catalyst. (Air and Sun = Energy) 
Posted by: smartfox | Jun 11 2026 22:44 utc | 189
 
**********************
 
Typo there, Mr Smartfox? I think you meant “You need a catalyst  cactus. (Air and Sun on cactus  = Energy)”
 
This has been used in Mexico for many years. Ferment the cactus juice to make tequila. Drink some to pass the time while distilling the rest to make fuel for your town car… 

Posted by: General Factotum | Jun 12 2026 13:16 utc | 374

Trumps hideing behind ambiguality. but avoiding the relivent word.
 
Trumps trying to negotiate Irans complete surrender.
 
Its all a waste of time.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 13:23 utc | 375

@ 318 “As a result, wood and charcoal still account for over 80-90% of consumption.New and renewable energies make us all dream. But they won’t replace oil so easily.”
 
Wood is renewable energy.
Wood is the preferred method to heat my home. It is a fraction of the cost of natural gas. 
Wood so easy. A cave man can do it.
 
 

Posted by: golddigger | Jun 12 2026 13:26 utc | 376

wood is the most toxic thing you can burn.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Jun 12 2026 13:32 utc | 377

To add to my above  😁
Iran needs to give trump a good hard kick in the Netinyahoos,  that’l make his eyes water  !

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 13:33 utc | 378

Iran’s Fars news agency reported on the 12th, citing a source close to the Iranian negotiating team, U.S. President Donald Trump and some foreign media claims that the agreement “has been finalized and is scheduled to be signed in Geneva this Sunday” are “complete nonsense.”

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/QxyHPfwA5-zLjS5n3i7ZwA

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 13:34 utc | 379

Burning wood is carbon nutral.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 13:34 utc | 380

I expect it is a safety factor that comes into that, as well as for combustion engines ?
Posted by: Ornot | Jun 11 2026 23:35 utc | 215
 
******************
 
Yes – but also the energy density per unit volume for hydrogen is low. Proponents of liquified H2  as a fuel always quote energy density of H2 in terms of KJ/Kg. The inconvenient fact is that liquid hydrogen has a density of about 71 gm/L (71 Kg/m^3), so divide the KJ/Kg by a factor of about 14 to get KJ/L. Alternatively, multiply your storage/transport volume requirements for petrol/diesel by 14…
 
Doesn’t look so attractive now, does it? Add in the requirement for special materials for tanks, cryogenics to maintain liquid state storage… This is NOT to say that hydrogen has no place as an energy source – but reality is a hard taskmaster!
 
Note: ’14’ is a very rough figure to illustrate the problem. The density of petrol, diesel, LPG, LNG vary across quite a range.

Posted by: General Factotum | Jun 12 2026 13:35 utc | 381

The Revolution will not be Televised
music video (showing all the references)
 
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GhcyQ9fETuk&list=RDGhcyQ9fETuk&start_radio=1&pp=ygUkdGhlIHJldm9sdXRpb24gd2lsbCBub3QgYmUgdGVsZXZpc2VkoAcB&ra=m

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 13:36 utc | 382

Roundup, all in quotes:

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma

-Iranian News Agency: Final negotiations will not begin until half of Iran’s funds are released and oil sanctions are suspended

– Iranian News Agency: Negotiations on the nuclear program will take place within 60 days of signing the memorandum to end the war

– Iranian Mehr Agency: The final negotiations will focus on nuclear and economic issues, excluding discussion of the Iranian missile program

Journalist Youssef Fares

– An informed Iranian source:

The claim that an agreement was signed on Sunday in Geneva is a complete lie.

The process of review and decision-making in Iran has not yet been decided once and for all, so talking about Sunday as a date for signing, as well as specifying Geneva as a place for it, is completely negated.

– According to Axios [long text]

https://t.me/youseffares19/120333

https://t.me/youseffares19/120334

– Iranian Tasnim Agency:

American military and diplomatic pressure to amend the text of the agreement, which consists of 14 articles, did not achieve results. Therefore, the United States informed, through the Qatari mediator, that there was no need for the recent amendments it had proposed.

However, the text still needs to be reviewed and final approved by the relevant authorities in Iran, and until then any further speculation or news is unreliable.

[Attacks and artillery on Gaza, battles in southern Lebanon… Maarakah inland of Tyre

https://t.me/youseffares19/120336 ]

– The occupation army sends warnings to towns in Lebanon to evacuate their residents north of the Zahrani River [A river north of Litani]

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2026 13:36 utc | 383

Posted by: pinche | Jun 12 2026 13:11 utc | 373

I read on Chinese media one of the reasons why oil prices are sluggish is because China actually cut purchases thus freeing up more oil for other buyers. If you follow Dr Warwick Powell you’d see China is really moving away from oil/gas dependency with renewables equal in some areas.
In 5 years China will be the largest nuclear energy in the world, overtaking US. That’s when the many nuclear power plants now building comes online.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 13:39 utc | 384

Vragtes | Jun 12 2026 7:41 utc | 313*** Further information to support your conclusion.https://indi.ca/how-this-is-the-worst-world-cup-already/
***
 
An  otherwise objective article is spoiled by including the now widespread accusation of the USA fronting a “White Empire”.  It doesn’t — the present-day empire is basically Zionist, and elements of its Zionist Jewish management have never hesitated to switch between claiming or implying that they’re “white”, to claiming that they aren’t “white”, and are actually even very anti-white. It just depends whether they are (always with mass-media collaboration,since they pretty much control it) at any given time trying to manipulate naive whites or naive non-whites.
 
Which is why,  like unhinged feminists and “global warmist” fanatics,  hordes of rabid political-correcter “wokists” tend to suddenly appear and then just as suddenly disappear — organised, often violent puppets hysterically screaming to order.
But only when it suits the purposes of the self-appointing Overclass.
 
Likewise when it comes to mass-immigration. The string-pullers of the present Empire have long flip-flopped between deliberately inflicting it and — as is now the case in the UK — allegedly opposing it.  Mainly via proxy fronts. They really couldn’t care less about the wishes, welfare or interests of either native population or immigrants (in countries other than Israel) — for ulterior motives they exploit both to advance their own agenda.
 

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 12 2026 13:49 utc | 385

@382 General

Thanks, I figured stability and handling, but that explains a lot more. I like the idea of hydrogen as energy source though. There are aims to have hydrogen jets flying in the next few years (not protype as to now)… I guess less luggage space…not sure I’d feel right flying on one though. To replace stationary battery storage hydrogen would make more sense, if it could be sequestered and released in a controlled manner…I think there are ‘to electric catalytic converters’ for some fuels, cannot remember which.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2026 13:53 utc | 386

Oil strongly rebounded from its bottom.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 12 2026 13:53 utc | 387

Posted by: golddigger | Jun 12 2026 13:26 utc | 377
 

Wood so easy. A cave man can do it.

 
It’s all a matter of context.
My country is suffering from deforestation, land clearing, and desertification.
 
We are a hot country near the equator. Wood is not used for heating but for cooking, and the smoke is a source of poisoning for women and pollution for the environment.
 
This explains why combating deforestation is a priority for the government, to the point that a poor country subsidizes imported butane gas.

Posted by: Sebgo | Jun 12 2026 13:54 utc | 388

@378 “wood is the most toxic thing you can burn.”
 
It smells good too. Pine is my favorite. 

Posted by: golddigger | Jun 12 2026 13:54 utc | 389

LOL Trump must be talking negotiations with his invisible friends!

“According to Xinhua,US President Donald Trump said in a social media post on December 12 that the draft US-Iran agreement released by Iranian media has nothing to do with “the agreement reached in writing between the US and Iran” and is not consistent with facts.”

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/w_pIEat7aQuFqNE4I9JzfQ

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 14:00 utc | 390

Posted by: General Factotum | Jun 12 2026 13:35 utc | 382
 
Thanks for the vulgarisation effort.
 
But what can you expect?
 
The idea of an exhaust that only emits water vapor is so appealing that Europeans, in particular, have embraced it with such enthusiasm that any criticism is poorly received.

Posted by: Sebgo | Jun 12 2026 14:01 utc | 391

Please move the wood burning debate to the open thread this is the Iran thread.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 14:03 utc | 392

I’d be very surprised Israel would accept any limitations to their evilness.
Posted by: Surferket | Jun 12 2026 11:46 utc | 350
 
 Watched a DW video yesterday with Patrick Hennington as guest. He said that Iran’s threat to attack Israel if Israel bombs Beirut is real. A game changer in his opinion.
I did see Israel politicians complaining that no other country has the right to decide what Israel can and cannot do.

Posted by: arby | Jun 12 2026 14:04 utc | 393

“Please move the wood burning debate to the open thread this is the Iran thread.
Posted by: Mark2 |”
 
what debate? degrees of stupidity? you won.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Jun 12 2026 14:06 utc | 394

Not ewe @  395
Trump supporter  ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 12 2026 14:10 utc | 395

In spite of all, we the bottom up need laws, mechanism, procedures and ways to enforce such laws with the collective strengths of the bottom-up to protect us from the  greed and profit taking of the top-down..
 
A disturbing outcome of the settlement between Enemies of Iran and the Enemies of the USA is that no advances in international law or improvements in the peace-keeping deficiencies in the UN have been made.  In fact, the UN was not even consulted in the negotiation processes. 
 
The bottom-up still has no way to enforce peace, human rights, or to punish those who corrupt peace, infringe human rights or engage in imperialism. 
 

Posted by: snake | Jun 12 2026 14:16 utc | 396

“Service to Kouhestak and the villages of Bamani was fully restored within 12 hours, he said.”  — Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 12 2026 7:23 utc | 312
Impressive. I don’t suppose that team would be available for a small job in Flint, Mich?

Posted by: jorge | Jun 12 2026 14:20 utc | 397

@398 ” I don’t suppose that team would be available for a small job in Flint, Mich?”
 
LOL in a Union State like Michigan.
A “Get r Done” crew like the the ones who repaired the water infrastructure in Iran. Would be tied up and deported as soon as possible. 
Then the Union would go on strike for more money holding the thirsty citizens hostage. 

Posted by: golddigger | Jun 12 2026 14:35 utc | 398

Ron Lauder‘s Kid on SpaceX……
 
……Gary Lauder, a cosmetics heir turned venture capitalist, backed SpaceX through his namesake family office.
Family offices who invest in space-related startups told CNBC that they view them as infrastructure and defense plays rather than flashy bets on space exploration…….
 
Only WASPs pay retail 🤣

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2026 14:51 utc | 399

Is this the Roger Boyd who said I talk gibberish?https://share.google/OW7qINizWkTOS71Ad
 
or this one
 
https://share.google/boqwY5LGVZhHF2ZOZ

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2026 14:54 utc | 400