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May 8, 2026
War On Iran: – Destroyer Battle – Iran Can Sustain – Losers Hold Cards

The current situation around the Strait of Hormuz is vague. We currently have what Chas Freeman calls (vid) a “ceasefire with Israeli characteristics”. Both sides continue to fight but try to avoid a larger escalation.

Yesterday the U.S. stopped an empty Iranian tanker coming from the Indian Ocean which was heading towards an Iranian port. Iran responded by attacking three U.S. destroyer which seem to have intended to pass, east to west, through the Strait of Hormuz into the Persian Gulf.

The destroyers were driven off under intense Iranian fire:

American officials described the Iranian onslaught on three destroyers as fiercer and more sustained than a separate Iranian barrage that two of the warships faced only days earlier.

The vessels came under an intense Iranian assault as swarms of Iranian fast-attack boats maneuvered close enough that American warships opened fire to keep them at bay, U.S. officials told CBS News under condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Over several hours, the American warships and supporting aircraft mounted a layered defense, firing their five-inch naval guns and their close-in weapon systems known as CIWS, officials said. Small-caliber gun teams on deck also engaged the attacking boats. American Apache helicopters fired Hellfire missiles, and .50-caliber machine guns were fired from the decks of the ships, as additional aircraft provided support overhead.

Iranian forces also launched drones and missiles during the confrontation, the officials said. As of publication, no casualties or damage to the ships was reported.

(If you believe that last sentence please check out my offer of bridges for sale.)

The Iranian navy was clearly close enough to the destroyers to sink them. That it did not do so might well be a sign that it currently does not want to escalate.

After the attempt to seize Iran’s Uranium had failed with more than ten airplanes and helicopters lost in desert and after the failure of “Project Freedom” earlier this week this was the third tactical military operation attempt by the U.S. in which the Iranian side prevailed.

It confirms the recent ‘leaked’ assessment by the U.S. intelligence community that Iran can sustain this conflict (archived) and has sufficient reserves for many months, if not years, of continuous fighting:

A confidential CIA analysis delivered to administration policymakers this week concludes that Iran can survive the U.S. naval blockade for at least three to four months before facing more severe economic hardship, four people familiar with the document said, a finding that appears to raise new questions about President Donald Trump’s optimism on ending the war.

Iran retains about 75 percent of its prewar inventories of mobile launchers and about 70 percent of its prewar stockpiles of missiles, a U.S. official said. The official said there is evidence that the regime has been able to recover and reopen almost all of its underground storage facilities, repair some damaged missiles and even assemble some new missiles that were nearly complete when the war began.

The assessment confirms the conclusion that Iran has -so far- won this war:

“What started as a war supposedly aimed at toppling the regime and dismantling its nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities,” [Israeli analyst] Citrinowicz posted Wednesday on X, “may instead leave Iran’s regime stronger than before — empowered by sanctions relief, still retaining significant missile capabilities, continuing support for its proxies, and almost certainly preserving uranium enrichment on its own soil.”

The U.S. can not agree to that but it also does not have any reasonable ways or means to avoid that outcome.

Time is on the Iranian side. Its economy is used to work under sanctions and pressure. The U.S. (and global) economy can not do without the oil, gas, fertilizer and minerals which are currently blocked in the Persian Gulf. The U.S. can not win militarily. It is losing economically.

All the White House may still be able to do now is to make peace with Iran (i.e. conceding defeat) while selling that a victorious outcome.

On May 4th The White House twitter account posted this picture:


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Trump had tweeted a montage of himself in which he is shown holding UNO game cards with the text proudly proclaiming that he has “all the cards”.

The picture is a prefect example of the mental inabilities of the current White House inhabitant and his staff.

UNO is a shedding game:

.. players start with a hand of cards, and the object of the game is to be the first player to discard all cards from one’s hand.

Trump may well have all the cards. But the winner of the game is the first player who has left none. Those still holding UNO cards are losers.

Posting that picture may well have been an unconsciousness admission by Trump that he had lost the game to Iran.

Comments

Saifedean Ammous   @saifedean
 
“In just a couple of years, 328 instances of settlers and soldiers blocking ambulances have been recorded on video.
 
Naturally, many more were not caught on video.
 
Zero have been prosecuted.”
 
https://x.com/saifedean/status/2053002510835626468
 
—–
 
Zionism Observer   @receipts_lol
 
“We’ve archived 327 videos related to blocking ambulances.
 
This will be the 328th.”
 
https://x.com/receipts_lol/status/2052763967559254117
 
—–
Eye on Palestine   @EyeonPalestine
 
“A settler blocks an ambulance and prevents it from passing on a road south of Nablus.”
 
https://x.com/EyeonPalestine/status/2052761085241946189   (~30 sec vid)
 

Posted by: GreaatLakesObserver | May 9 2026 13:31 utc | 301

William Gruff  302
 
 
The capitalist empire’s principals’ main problem right now is that they have lost control of their industrial base in China and desperately need to reassert that control. ‘
 
No way.
 
The US has lost control of its own government, which has clear,  established guidelines , recorded at the UN, for International Relations. 
 
Trump’s inner circle are profiteering, while the US economy is circling  in the spout  of the drain.
 
If Americans are unable or unwilling to fix this problem, nobody else is going to fix it for them, however good at denial experts like Brian Berletic are projecting the problem onto RoW,  to lull Americans into delusion.
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | May 9 2026 13:34 utc | 302

Posted by: Giyane | May 9 2026 13:23 utc | 304
 
Congratulations on depriving Labour of a vote (hopefully the incumbents in your area), however the Greens are just as much system pigs. Zack Polanski is not your friend and frequently plays his ‘privilege card’. Not to be trusted.
 
Better to vote for a local independent, especially if you know them.
 
But always, always vote against the incumbent – let them suffer the same neo-liberal job insecurity as they foist on the rest of us.

Posted by: ChatNPC | May 9 2026 13:36 utc | 303

Giyane @306: “The US has lost control of its own government, which has clear, established guidelines , recorded at the UN, for International Relations.”
 
What are you talking about? What exactly is this “US” you speak of? The American people? They have never had control of the government. The closest they have ever gotten was back in the 1930s, and that wasn’t all that close.
 
 

Trump’s inner circle are profiteering, while the US economy is circling in the spout of the drain.
 

Lots of people are profiteering, and the US economy has been circling that drain since the 1970s. It is just closer to the point of ultimate suck and the circles are tighter now. And do you think the Democrats are just sitting by helpless in the glare of Trump’s golden gleam or some cheesy shit like that? Don’t be so naive.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 13:47 utc | 304

Not sure if this has been posted, while the Guardian correspondent tries to make it 50/50 screwing between Trump and Netanyahu, a read gives very much the impression that 
a) Trump is the screwee 
b) he’s not happy about it 
c) things are likely to calm down for a fair while 
 
This is always provided that it doesn’t become too obvious that Trump has failed and was conned by Israel – very bad for his ego, and worse because true.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/09/tensions-emerge-bejamin-netanyahu-donald-trump-alliance
 

“Netanyahu, being the conman that he is, used Venezuela as an example,” Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli diplomat, said. “He said to him: ‘Look what you did in Venezuela. It was painless. It was effortless. It was beautiful. You changed the regime.’
 
“Then he begins bombarding Trump with intelligence data showing that Iran had expanded its missile production and its missile-launching capabilities, and still has 450kg of highly enriched uranium,” Pinkas said.
With the help of the Mossad director, David Barnea, Netanyahu portrayed the Tehran regime as an overripe fruit ready to drop from the branch.
 
“He told Trump: ‘The Iranian economy is in shambles. The people are on the precipice of revolt. The Revolutionary Guards are losing control. Life in Iran is intolerable. This is our time,’” Pinkas said. “‘What we could do together is bring down the regime … think that together, jointly, we can win the war in three, four days.’”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 9 2026 13:54 utc | 305

The capitalist empire’s principals’ main problem right now is that they have lost control of their industrial base in China and desperately need to reassert that control. While Palestine is the chief concern of the zionists, it is just one concern out of many for the empire.
 
Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 13:05 utc | 302

 
Not quite right. The Zionists refer to the periodic extermination of large swaths of Palestinians as “mowing the lawn”. A relatively menial and trivial task that needs to be done on a loose schedule to keep weeds and vermin in check, but not worthy of a lot of serious thought.
 
The implicit assumption and mutual (mis)understanding for the “controllers” and curators of “Western values’, was that the industrialization of China would lead to the neo-liberalization of the Chinese financial system. Back when he was CEO of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein made more frequent trips to Beijing than anyone from the Executive Branch or State Department. They were not interested at all in the nuts and bolts of manufacturing and distribution. Only the management and issuance of shares and finance tranches for large corporations, that is where the real money and power is.
 
Once that project failed, the demonization of China in the US and western media began in earnest, along with yapping about currency manipulation and unfair trade practices.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | May 9 2026 13:57 utc | 306

  • 🇺🇸🇮🇷CENTCOM publishes footage of strikes on the smokestacks of tankers M/T Sea Star III and M/T Sevda after the ships entered the Iranian port in violation of the American naval blockade.
    According to a statement from the Iranian Central Headquarters “Khatam al-Anbia”, the ships were hit in the area of the city Jask in the province of Hormozgan and off the coast of Fujairah, UAE.
    @Intelslava

Aiquon posts 
eg USA debt heading to 136% of GDP, every budget would have to be slashed by 38% to try stop that,USA car owners loan debt is 1.7trillion….every month needs 38b paying off debt, etc etc

Posted by: Jo | May 9 2026 14:07 utc | 307

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma

“According to research data and surveys [we] conducted based on monitoring international sources and military and intelligence references, it was found that this day is the most violent in terms of the intensity of Israeli air raids on southern Lebanon since the announcement of the truce between the two sides.

Data indicate an unprecedented escalation in the pace of bombing, after Israeli warplanes carried out dozens of raids on border and southern towns and cities within several hours, amid the continued intense overflights and military aircraft in Lebanese airspace.

According to the field and analytical reading, what is happening on the ground practically goes beyond the concept of a “truce,” in light of the continued bombing, clashes, and military escalation at a high rate, which reflects a very tense field reality that is capable of exploding on a larger scale at any moment.”

To remind, Gaza is also under increased attack with threat of further invasion.

Posted by: Ornot | May 9 2026 14:16 utc | 308

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma

“The Syrian President receives the Lebanese Prime Minister at the People’s Palace in Damascus”

Western sources (bloomberg iirc) allege internet shutdown in Iran is very costly in terms of business. I suppose though that Iran would therefore be better prepared if internet cables in the region became disabled for some unknown reason.

Posted by: Ornot | May 9 2026 14:22 utc | 309

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 13:47 utc | 308
 
You and Giyane are on the same page, describing two pieces of the same elephant.
 
Why would you think that democrats are the good guys in any way?  Or that anyone else thinks they are?  Giyane is not saying that American non-billionaires are losing control – we have not had control EVER.  He is saying that the Epstein Class is losing control.  All they have left is a few Trump associates grifting some good deals by insider trading mechanisms.
 
The Epstein Class is drowning in debt.  The Epstein Hi-Tech sectors are finding that their fancy data centers are never going to pay for themselves, and are generating tons of hatred against them.  The Epstein Oil sectors are finding that they are able to impoverish people around the globe, and are making some money off of it, but yet China and Russia and Iran are staying strong despite their efforts.  Furthermore, their efforts to enslave and impoverish other parts of the world are only partially succeeding.  The Epstein Military sectors are getting less bang for their bucks than ever before for US military adventures.  Venezuela is their best success.
 
The fall of the Epstein Class is a work in progress.  They still have one heck of a lot of power.  The tide, however, is turning against them.

Posted by: Woke American | May 9 2026 14:23 utc | 310

Posted by Tom Pfotzer
 
@Fool Me Twice | May 9 2026 13:57 utc | 310 and William Gruff | May 9 2026 13:05 utc | 302
 
You are both correct. The US extend-hegemony strategy was to use finance to get control of China’s productive capacity. The US went so far as to ship a good portion of our domestic productive capacity to China in order to accelerate China’s industrial growth. The US was _that_ sure they’d be able to control the Chinese as they control the West – via the financial system.
 
But China just plain outsmarted the West. They saw the whole story, and kept control of media, finance and IP (if you produce in China, you have to give your mfg’g IP to the Chinese manufacturer). 
 
Once it became apparent that China had outmaneuvered the West, that’s when the demonization kicked in, and that’s why China is now the West’s enemy, and that’s why the West’s attempt to control of energy (the _key_ input to manufacturing) has been elevated to priority one. 
 
Here’s a key metric: industrial construction in the US. The West is all-in on military domination; re-investment in Western (especially US) industrial capacity still hasn’t really started. The spike you see in this chart (that’s from official US Federal Reserve Economic Data) was for data center buildout, and that spike is tapering off fast. That “spike” should look like the leading edge of a mountain, not the declining tailing edge of a small hill. 
 
The West _has_ to win this military confrontation with Russia, China and Iran or the future standard of living for the West looks increasingly bleak, and there’s a lot of top-dogs that will get bumped off their perch for a long time to come.
 
I remember Trump-MAGA cheerleaders telling me many times, over a period of the last year, that US Manufacturing Was Coming Back, and that Trump was the means. I said “it’s not showing up in the numbers, and these are official numbers for _the_ key metric  that tells the tale”.
 
Trump boosters said “it takes time! Don’t be too impatient”. 
 
OK, I think I’ve been plenty patient. The curve should be accelerating upwards by now – a full year in with Savior Trump.  We just threw a big load of our remaining seed corn into a 50% increase in War spending. We just made our key input cost (mfg’g and transport energy) almost double in 3 months. 
 
Those two facts are all the evidence you need to determine that the West is _all  in_ on a military win. They have _no_ intention of negotiating a long-term political solution, and they have _no intention_ of rebuilding domestic US productive capacity (not just manufacturing, but education as well). 
 
The only manufacturing investment in the West is for defense;  EU is converting factories from auto to munitions, in a bid to salvage what remains of their automobile industrial complex. They are _all in_ as well. 
 
All the West’s chips are on one square of the roulette table: War. 

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 9 2026 14:32 utc | 311

Woke American 314
 
Thanks for that
The bit I’m seeing has this long , large , flexible , grey hose pipe  with an entrance hole under it where food is going.
The  US is strong enough to look after itself without attacking anybody.
 
Gruff must be looking at the other end,  with a small , flexible switch to discourage flies, and possibly used for marking out its territory.

Posted by: Giyane | May 9 2026 14:40 utc | 312

Fool Me Twice @310:
 

They [empire’s capitalist overlords] were not interested at all in the nuts and bolts of manufacturing and distribution. Only the management and issuance of shares and finance tranches for large corporations, that is where the real money and power is.

 
Yes! this is that misunderstanding that I was talking about.
 

Once that project failed, the demonization of China in the US and western media began in earnest, along with yapping about currency manipulation and unfair trade practices.

 
They are protesting that the Chinese are not playing by the empire’s capitalist overlords’ rules, which renders the “ultimate power” those overlords thought they wielded with their ledgers and legal briefs moot. You see, Big Finance isn’t the ultimate power they think it is! The power to produce tangible things is where the true power has always been. In a properly functioning economy finance is subordinate to production and the economy becomes dysfunctional when attempts are made to reverse that relationship.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 14:46 utc | 313

Besides the UNO, feeling the need to declare you are holding all the cards generally means you are not. In any card game or life analogy.

Posted by: GS | May 9 2026 14:59 utc | 314

Woke American @314: “He is saying that the Epstein Class is losing control.”
 
 
Control over what, exactly? The narrative? The economy? The direction of human development? This is all rooted in the manufacturing of tangible goods; tangible culture. That control is coalescing in China because that is where the manufacturing is. 
 
 
Anyway, what is this “Epstein Class” other than what Marxists have always just called the capitalist ruling class? They are one and the same thing.
 
 
Anyway, the original point I was arguing against is that the zionists are running the whole empire according to their own interests, which pivot around a scrap of crappy real estate on the eastern Med. That is a very provincial and narrowly local view of the empire.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 15:01 utc | 315

Alon Mizrahi focusses in on Axios journo Barak Ravid:
 
Day 71: The Biggest Israeli Psyop Ever
 
“Israel’s greatest enemy is the American people”
 
Max Blumenthal also got into Ravid briefly in his Judge Nap appearance.
 
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | May 9 2026 15:05 utc | 316

many good posts here in the last 50 posts.. thanks!
 
william gruff… who is behind usury?? any ideas?? 

Posted by: james | May 9 2026 15:09 utc | 317

@tucenz | May 9 2026 11:22 utc | 285
You make it sound as if it was a farfetch to see the clever British manipulators as behind most everything during an important era when Britains Great Game was in action and their freemasons totally under their own control could undisturbedely run the world. The Jews being a proxy are less interesting since the role of a proxy is to be hated and despiced while still smoothly running the errands of the master. Since some of you try to sell the myth about the mysterious yet unexplined jewish power what you are doing is to cover for your anglosaxon superiors. Britain has been behind communism fascism zionism modern Islamism. They have been the fomenters of wars and revolutions. You try to make that sound insignificant with your comment. That is no good mark for you.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | May 9 2026 15:29 utc | 318

james @321: “who is behind usury?? any ideas??”
 
 
 
Capitalists?

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 15:34 utc | 319

thanks william.. it’s a long conversation and i am not prepared to go the distance here..  there is some history that is relevant and could be started any number of places historically, but a good one might be the bank of england and it’s inception…  but again – long conversation and i am not prepared for it.. 

Posted by: james | May 9 2026 15:38 utc | 320

re.  @321:    “who is behind usury?? any ideas??”
 
Folks with a non-functional empathy gland.
 

Posted by: GreatLakesObserver | May 9 2026 15:47 utc | 321

@unsightfulviews | May 9 2026 11:12 utc | 284
Dreyfuss was a coworker of Lyndon Larouche and they did high quality intelligence work digging up much better info than you ever find among so called established historians.
They offer a blank slate while Larouche and coworkers offer in depth info! You quote the establishments view of a longstanding opponent of the system like Larouche et al. Not a chance you would get any unbiased view from the establishment. Larouche rightly called his review Executive Intelligence Review and I claim he lived up to that in many documents. Those archives are still a very valuable source for real history. At the time Dreyfuss was deeply emerged in the events in Iran and he and other Larouche associates revealed how the thinktanks in the US/UK and France were systematically sabotaging Irans industrialisation and development. Hardly any of you ever touch that the shah was just as much the target as Mossadegh was 25 years earlier. My guess is you didnt really understand the quote I made and erroneously belived it was critique against Iran just because it indicated critique against Khomeini. And that is an entirely different thing. Khomeini didnt speak the maternal language maybe beacause he was the son of a British spy. I suspect that it may be a sensitive issue in Iran even today. But I do respect the current Iranian leadership and Irans role in the world. I see both Iran today and under the shah after 1975 as clear cases of western colonial evil directed against a culturally highstanding people.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | May 9 2026 15:47 utc | 322

GreatLakesObserver @325: “Folks with a non-functional empathy gland.” 
 
 
Hey, no hard feeling! It’s just business!

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 15:53 utc | 323

@YetAnotherAnon | May 9 2026 13:54 utc | 309

“Netanyahu, being the conman that he is, used Venezuela as an example,” Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli diplomat, said. “He said to him: ‘Look what you did in Venezuela. It was painless. It was effortless. It was beautiful. You changed the regime.’

I have had this exact thought for a while. It explains a lot.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 9 2026 16:03 utc | 324

Iran should sink all of the US warships in the Gulf asap. The Jewed-up Yankees must be made to pay a hefty price for their sleazy and unprovoked attack during negotiations.
 
While the Yankees are conducting Memorial Services for the warship crews, Iran should flatten Tel Aviv. Attempting to negotiate with Jews and Jewed-up Yankee Psychopaths is the definition of Pissing Into The Wind.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 9 2026 16:06 utc | 325

” (If you believe that last sentence please check out my offer of bridges for sale.) ”
 
I’m neutral on this particular situation, however, the Gulf is too “small” for there not to be any evidence of damage to the US destroyers. Iranian hardware is equipped with cameras.  

Posted by: Vacuous Cipher | May 9 2026 16:16 utc | 326

Gaza at the Venice Biennale: Where Language Falls Short, Threads Take Over
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/5/9/gaza-at-the-venice-biennale-where-language-falls-short-threads-take-over
 
“…Every attempt to describe in words what Israel [USrael] has inflicted on Gaza and its people felt reductive, compressing something vast, ongoing and staggeringly lethal into language that cannot possibly hold it.
 
What remains is a tension at the heart of the act of telling itself; knowing no account will ever be enough, how do you tell stories of such unspeakable horrors?
 
This tension lies at the heart of the Gaza Genocide Tapestry…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 9 2026 16:19 utc | 327

The Iranian navy was clearly close enough to the destroyers to sink them. That it did not do so might well be a sign that it currently does not want to escalate.

Iranians restraint is remarkable. What explains their withholding of violence against their murderous antagonists must be their religious beliefs, which are represented by the Ayatollah, who is also the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic. Christian Americans would not restrain themselves if offered an opportunity to use defense as an excuse to sink an enemy’s naval war ships blockading their ports. They cannot even stop themselves from waging unprovoked wars of aggression against much weaker nations. Their righteousness is of this world, and finds expression in the genocidal violence they and their proxies commit. That righteousness should be a source of stress for America’s opponents. The Americans and their proxy Israel could very well use nuclear weapons just because of a tactical defeat or strategic failure to achieve their goal or subdue their opponents.  
Posted by: Keme | May 8 2026 19:17 utc | 53

It could be righteousness. It could be intelligence (smart thinking). They could be the same thing, here.

Posted by: jonboinAR | May 9 2026 16:23 utc | 328

Iranian hardware is equipped with cameras.  
 
Posted by: Vacuous Cipher | May 9 2026 16:16 utc | 330

‘Pics or it didn’t happen? This ain’t video games kiddo.
The laundry facilities on the american carrier called. No photos of that either but Im quite confident that it was Iranian incoming that caused the fire. America is trying to hide how much its shit got pushed in, because it looks impotent on tbe world stage. Narrative control is far more important for the Epstein Coalition than Iran.
Im looking forward to the humiliation Trump gets in Beijing. Fiddy fiddy ofds he cancels IMO

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 9 2026 16:27 utc | 329

Odds
 

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 9 2026 16:27 utc | 330

Mahmood OD: ‘They Know’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@Mahmood_OD/videos
 
“Israel’s urgent move| explosions in Iran| UAE airport attack|”

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 9 2026 16:29 utc | 331

America resorting to using tactical nuclear weapons is no trump card, its just a different type of phyrric ‘victory’ which is exactly what they have now, only with a weakened strategic position and looking like idiots, which they alreasy do. Nukes would make this far worse, including the whole ‘US cant get it up anymore’ impressions.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 9 2026 16:30 utc | 332

DW: Seyed M Marandi
 
https://www.youtube.com/@dialogueworks01/streams
 
“Iran just dropped a bombshell.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 9 2026 16:36 utc | 333

Sean Foo: ‘It’s Already Happening’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@SeanFooGold/videos
 
“US money printing has already begun – USD is collapsing, as major melt up begins.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 9 2026 16:43 utc | 334

Doctor Eleven | May 9 2026 16:27 utc | 333
 
Yes, narrative control is vastly important. It must promote the notion that “finishing the job” is all that needs to be done, so let’s get busy. Otherwise, the entire Neocon line collapses. IMO, the satellite photos showing the raging fires in the midst of the sea speaks volumes even if we aren’t being told the details. Something else we don’t know is Iran’s rules of engagement as they relate to its planned escalation ladder–as we’ve seen, Iran doesn’t want to be provoked beyond certain points. And IMO, the Empire’s theatre commander knows what Iran’s doing. As with land combat, wounding soldiers causes more difficulty because they must be tended to and divert more assets from the battle than otherwise; the same happens at sea: A sunk ship doesn’t tie up nearly as many assets as one that is crippled. And those now crippled assets were key components of the blockade and AD for the carrier groups. Lastly, there’s the effect on morale a clear defeat has: Who wants to die for the whims of a madman? Sailors aren’t dumb.   

Posted by: karlof1 | May 9 2026 17:11 utc | 335

Posted by Tom Pfotzer
 
Re: usury.
 
Does the Bar equate charging interest on a loan with “usury”?
 
If charging interest isn’t necessarily usury, what is the guideline or threshold that marks the transition from charging interest into usury?
 
Next question: if any interest rate constitutes usury, what is the mechanism by which a loan is evaluated for utility? If a loan can’t pay interest, then it has to be providing some other social good, otherwise that loan is actually a mis-allocation of social capital. 
 
If a capitalist isn’t the one making the “creditworthy or not” decision, who is, and what criteria is being used to evaluate the loan application?
 
In China, business loans pay interest (somewhere around 3 percent). China occasionally writes off bad loans, and most of China’s banks are state-owned, and therefore loan policy is more likely to be aimed toward doing social good .vs. rewarding investors.  
 
Do state-owned banks use loan criteria? It seems likely that they would, right? They might use “social utility” as the basis for the loan, but they are definitely using some sort of filtration/ranking criteria in order to maximize the results of a social investment.
 
In the private banking sector, if a loan gets made that’s very risky, is it OK to charge a higher interest rate on that loan?
 
I’m trying to find out what this “usury” term actually means, and as you can see, I’m confused. 
 
Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 9 2026 17:12 utc | 336

Off Topic but “interestimg”.
 
Via Xinhua, May 8.
“At the beginning of this year, the first satellite rolled off the production line at the satellite assembly base,” said Xu Qiang, general manager of Jigang Group. At present, it has received orders for 12 satellites, and plans to produce at least 20 more satellites in 2026.
The group’s satellite production line has an annual output capacity of 100 satellites, each weighing up to 500 kilograms. The facility is capable of providing full-process manufacturing and testing services for communication and remote sensing satellites.”
 
A finger in every pie?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 9 2026 17:16 utc | 337

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 9 2026 13:54 utc | 309
 

“Netanyahu […] : “Look what you did in Venezuela. It was painless. […] You changed the regime.”

 
Posted by: Norwegian | May 9 2026 16:03 utc | 328
 

I have had this exact thought for a while. It explains a lot.

 
Since you all seem convinced of the reality of this, can you explain how the Chavista regime, in power in Venezuela since Hugo Chávez, and the government installed by Nicolás Maduro have changed?
 
Please specify exactly how the regime has changed and when.
 
And please don’t throw “Trump said” to us, as we all know what is word is worth.

Posted by: Sebgo | May 9 2026 17:49 utc | 338

Oups…
“We all know what is his word is worth.”

Posted by: Sebgo | May 9 2026 17:57 utc | 339

@ Tom Pfotzer | May 9 2026 17:12 utc | 341
 
it’s a very good question tom…. my question was mainly in response to william gruffs overview ( or was it yours? and some others?) on the differences between china – industrial strength, to the usa – financial strength…  this brings me to michael hudson who has clearly articulated the idea of FIRE – finance, insurance and real estate – being the basis for much of what drives the west at present, verses china, russia and others who are focused on industrialization…  one wants to profit off of what they produce, and the other wants to operate as a middle man profiting off all the transactions that happen, regardless of location…
 
for anyone to operate outside of this western financialization that has been in place for some time and continues to seek a complete global control or dominant of others productivity, means that they will be subject to sanctions, or war and both…  
 
usury becomes a key question as i see it… do we allow the profit and our productivity to be controlled by others, or do we instead work towards a system where we reap the rewards and profit off our productivity? 
 
we could call the epstein class, the rentier class.. it is virtually the same energy of those who wish to profit off the work and productivity of others…   
 
my idea of usury is essentially bound up in the FIRE sector that michael hudson constantly circles back to and the private banking system which has been in place ( although not everywhere on the planet ) for centuries…  this also explains why i personally see the wars as a byproduct of this same desire on the part of some, to profit off the wealth, productivity and resources of others… 
 
for the record, apparently christianity and islam do not support usury… judiasm does….  whether i have this wrong or not – others will surely let me know…  and of course it is ironic or coincidental that so much of the focus at present revolves around the role israel has played in its short history, not to mention the concept of zionism and etc. etc. as well….  i am looking at the financial empire being the most important empire to understand and generally it  is relegated to somewhere much further back..  who wants to understand the nature of banking?? or who will live to be told all the banks are privately owned and you are not allowed to know who owns them?? and, i am  talking about the central banks of countries here specifically… 

Posted by: james | May 9 2026 17:58 utc | 340

some typos… live – like and etc. etc… it was fun when we had the preview optoin… 

Posted by: james | May 9 2026 18:00 utc | 341

sebgo 343 – Yes I can.  All the top Veneszualan government officials were threatened with arrest and exile and confiscation of all assets.
 
They quickly became part of the interim government very favorable to US policy on oil infrastructure redevelopment.
 
Next question please….

Posted by: tobias cole | May 9 2026 18:11 utc | 342

What Does Terrorism Mean To You? (&vid)
 
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/2053110822616846487
 
“Children among 15 killed across southern Lebanon in Saturday strikes, 12-year-old girl hunted in double-tap… Westerners, where is your humanity?

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 9 2026 18:13 utc | 343

R2R: All Quiet on the Iranian Front
 
https://www.youtube.com/@reason2resist/videos
 
“Is the US Navy licking its wounds?”

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 9 2026 18:18 utc | 344

@341 Tom

One standard definition is that usury is ‘making money from money’. That is to say that any equation places money before/above/higher than any other practical reality.

So charging interest is considered usury just for that; failure to repay means assets get liquidated, for example. So money wins.

You can see how this morphed into state control, where taxation also always wins, and so we have the two combined as fiat.

Other arrangements also exist. For example someone lends and the paper promise of repayment can be sold at a discount. That is not interest but valuation of risk of non repayment by the buyer. Another example, a producer receives an order and it will be paid for on delivery, it is contractual. He can sell the promise of payment at discount to buy the materials to prepare the order.

If you ask in the above, who would lend without making a profit ? Look at Islamic finance as good example, there is no interest used, it cannot be easily calculated into a pyramid of finance; Someone wants to buy a property for example, the lender buys the property and the person wanting the property pays it off over time, at an agreed higher price.

It seems the same, but isn’t; the lender might sell his future income at discount, but only so far as it still returns the principle, or he will be at loss.

There was a controversial deal arranged in UK not long ago; To access Islamic finance government buildings had to actually become property of the lender during the period of the loan. That is how it works, the investor becomes invested in whatever project or asset, in its success.

That system does not allow for mass issuance and recycling into securities sold to then fund further finance, where fractional reserve and double entry bookeeping allows further pyramidal issuance.

I haven’t explained it well probably, but the idea is that all the lending activity is much more grounded, where the lender remains more invested in whatever he or she has funded. This also helps create a social fabric, where the funder remains involved in, learns from and communicates with, whoever or whatever has received funding.

Sure, most people in west are used to and want easy money and a standard mechanical contract to access that…what is most on offer, is most convenient, that the system is geared to. That however has costs that are not obvious to most, that work at a different level to the contract put before the borrower.

Probably the best route is not to borrow, just earn until able to afford. That provides a lot of time to consider direction. However and as always, rented housing consumes much of income; There is a reason why realty is a main foundation of the financial pyramid.

(Not replying or writing more on this, just to give some perspective or idea…)

Posted by: Ornot | May 9 2026 18:24 utc | 345

Posted by: tobias cole | May 9 2026 18:11 utc | 347
 
Please substantiate your claims and give us sources.
 
For what we know so far, not ONE official was changed, apart from Nicolas Maduro chief of security.
 
All the “reforms” presented as “proof” of a change in policy were launched by Maduro himself before he was abducted and already at the stage of the national assembly.
 
What is really new is that the Venezuelan government made concessions under the threats, but not about everything.
It is obvious why : it has to avoid to be bombed back to the stone age and have its president killed.
 
So what ? Poutine’s Russia made concessions to Ukraine and to the US.
Doesn’t that mean the country have been regime-changed ?

Posted by: Sebgo | May 9 2026 18:29 utc | 346

the idea of interest is in the time value of money..
 
if inflation stands still over the length of the loan then interest is usury. 
 
If the interest exceeds the rate of inflation then interest is usury, but if the interest is less than the rate of inflation then it is a cost to lender. 
 
 
Usury is relative to the lender.  My 2 bits .. 

Posted by: snake | May 9 2026 18:31 utc | 347

Posted by: tobias cole | May 9 2026 18:11 utc | 347
 
Sorry, I started replying before realizing who I was addressing.
 
Please continue spreading misinformation without me. But perhaps you should know that:
 
1) There is no interim government in Venezuela.
Only Vice President Delcy Rodriguez became “interim president” with the exact same government appointed by Maduro.
The National Assembly hasn’t changed either.
 
2) No member of Maduro’s team is in exile. Only the associates of Maria Machado and Juan Guaido are.

Posted by: Sebgo | May 9 2026 18:42 utc | 348

Syria & Lebanon Make ‘Significant Progress’ At Talks on Joint Interests
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/5/9/syria-and-lebanon-make-significant-progress-at-talks-on-joint-interests
 
“The leaders of Lebanon and Syria have concluded talks in Damascus focused on joint interests, as both countries pursue a rapprochement following the overthrow of Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, almost 18 months ago.
 
On Saturday, Lebanese PM Nawaf Salam said ‘significant progress’ had been made in the discussions with Syrian [Al Qaeda] President Ahmed al-Sharaa, which covered security, transport, infrastructure, and economic matters.
 
The Lebanese and Syrian governments both oppose the Iran-backed group Hezbollah, which holds significant influence in Lebanon and is currently engaged in a war with Israel. Some 1.2 m people – more than a fifth of Lebanon’s population – have been displaced by Israel’s attacks.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 9 2026 18:48 utc | 349

If the interest exceeds the rate of inflation then interest is usury, but if the interest is less than the rate of inflation then it is a cost to lender.
  Usury is relative to the lender.  My 2 bits ..
 
Posted by: snake | May 9 2026 18:31 utc | 352

 
Agree!!! In terms of my “luck” with mortgages, over the 27 years I owned my first home the compound rate of return on the purchase price was 8% per year, far in excess of the average mortgage rate. If you calculate it on the 20% down payment the compound rate of return was 14%.
 
So who was using whom?

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | May 9 2026 18:53 utc | 350

So who was using whom?
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | May 9 2026 18:53 utc | 355

 
Ask your kids and your grandkids.

Posted by: ChatNPC | May 9 2026 19:01 utc | 351

US vassal Lebanon and CIA succor Al Qaeda state negotiate to bend to IDF.

Posted by: paddy | May 9 2026 19:02 utc | 352

@353
 
No major international oil “major” has expressed interest in dumping billions to update Venezuela nationalize oil capacity.
 
Trump appears to be marketing Venezuela heavy crude same as U.S. is bleeding Iraqi oil revenues.
 
Rodriguez is keeping the oil status quo T rump taking a cut.

Posted by: paddy | May 9 2026 19:07 utc | 353

sebgo 353 – sorry I forgot who I was addressing……here are the facts of life in Caracus.
 
The current government officials are serving because they are useful to the US government, and are implementing the redevelopment plans for the oil industry, under the supervision of American oil companies.  Plans which will earn the country billions of dollars in revenue (moneys now held in escrow and distributed so they will not be scammed by the corrupt communists).
 
These current officials will be removed in due course, and on schedule of the WH.  They are serving at our pleasure.  Kind of like post WWII Germany, where we left local officials in place, but under our supervision.
 
And by the way consumer goods, and basic food stuffs are now available in great quantities due to the new ‘administrators’ from up North.  Contrast that with the Maduro scam group, in which poor folks fought for a loaf of bread.  No longer, plenty of bread and meat are for sale in all the market places.  Thousands of political prisoners are now free and back home, unlike in the Workers Paradise of Fidel’s Cuba (how is the bread supply there by the way)! 
 
Sorry again to burst your socialist bubble…..but ‘thems are the facts’ as they would say in Atlanta…….
 
 

Posted by: tobias cole | May 9 2026 19:11 utc | 354

Glenn Diesen: Seyed M Marandi
 
https://www.youtube.com/@GDiesen1/videos
 
“Iran rejects US deal: war is likely imminent.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 9 2026 19:15 utc | 355

@359
A positive is easily proven.
 
Where is the mnoney?
 
Venezuela can’t print it, nor can they borrow it with US controlling its oil revenues.
 
Where’ the funding?

Posted by: paddy | May 9 2026 19:19 utc | 356

@360
 
Who is shorting once the futures open tomorrow evening EDT?

Posted by: paddy | May 9 2026 19:21 utc | 357

But always, always vote against the incumbent – let them suffer the same neo-liberal job insecurity as they foist on the rest of us.
 
Posted by: ChatNPC | May 9 2026 13:36 utc | 307
 
Yes. ABI. anybody but incumbent. There are exceptions I’m sure. I have yet to run across one.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 9 2026 19:43 utc | 358

@ ChatNPC | May 9 2026 19:01 utc | 356
 
apparently ”the bubble” ie – inflation is all fine and good, as long as everything keeps going up…  as you note – the kids and grandkids are viewing this speculative bubble for the nightmare it is, although they may not understand just why it is what it is… 

Posted by: james | May 9 2026 20:00 utc | 359

james @321: “who is behind usury?? any ideas??”
 
 
 
Capitalists?
 
Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 15:34 utc | 323
 
I think usury is anti human. All sorts of ways to make money off a loan w/o slavery as a probable outcome.
 
Money as anything but social utility is a bad recycled idea because of the power it will accumulate in private hands.
 
That being said for me the question becomes
 
what is behind usary.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 9 2026 20:05 utc | 360

@347 Tobias Cole
 
Link, please

Posted by: Soviético | May 9 2026 20:10 utc | 361

I still say usury is just plain ol’ capitalism. Every capitalist wants their capital to “work” for them, that is to say turn a profit over and above their investment. The capitalist operating under informed self interest will want to maximize those profits. That exact dynamic is supposed to be what makes capitalism drive growth. Finance capitalism is just the apex form of capitalism in which capital has been fully abstracted away from the production process. It is the natural and predicted (both Marx and Lenin described this development) culmination of capitalism’s evolution. 

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 20:28 utc | 362

I think usury is anti human. 
 
Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 9 2026 20:05 utc | 365

 
On the contrary: it is — unfortunately — very human.

Posted by: malenkov | May 9 2026 20:35 utc | 363

think usury is anti human. 
 
Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 9 2026 20:05 utc | 365
 
 
On the contrary: it is — unfortunately — very human.
 
Posted by: malenkov | May 9 2026 20:35 utc | 368
 
Sure….in as far as we think squirrels don’t utilize it.
 
Still an anti human idea even though as u say
very human.
 

Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 9 2026 21:12 utc | 364

I’m no economist but it seems to me that when someone works they get paid money. For this money they can buy other peoples work. If I lend my money (work) out then I expect my money to work and get paid to work. 
 To me usury is charging too much interest .

Posted by: arby | May 9 2026 21:35 utc | 365

Posted by: Soviético | May 9 2026 20:10 utc | 366
 
Don’t bother. This is a pro-Trump troll ready to invent anything to support his idol’s narrative.
 
In his “imperial bubble”, the whole world is made up of slaves ready to serve Trump, his mad demigod.
 
But there isn’t a single zealous American willing to go to Caracas and play the role of master; they know what awaits them.
 
Threatening to bomb from an aircraft carrier, safely hundreds of kilometers away, and setting foot on the ground to play the master are two different things.

Posted by: Sebgo | May 9 2026 21:41 utc | 366

👍

Posted by: Soviético | May 9 2026 21:52 utc | 367

Hey, no hard feeling! It’s just business!
Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 15:53 utc | 327
 
******************
 
Yes – the justification of the alpha hero. In my experience, these type of people are the first and loudest to squeal when karma does its inevitable round, and they get ‘business’ done to them.

Posted by: General Factotum | May 9 2026 22:19 utc | 368

Before people start discussing interest and usury could they please clarify their understanding of the differences between currency and money. Then work out whether it is currency that “earns” interest, or money.
 
Currency “earning” interest is sleight of hand at best, deliberate debasement of the exchangeable tokenised value at worst.
 
Money “earning” interest breaks the laws of classical physics, you cannot get something for nothing.
 
But anyway, to bring things slightly back towards topic, Iran not having a BIS-affiliated central bank is a huge irritant for the Western hegemony. Gotta bomb those godless heathens into compliance, can’t have the “full faith and credit” of a Carrier Battle Group in every ocean being brought into disrepute…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 9 2026 22:27 utc | 369

sebgo 371 – yea when you don’t have the facts, you socialist/communists always resort to personal attacks……….but that is the mantra of socialism…….personal attacks, political assassinations, disarming the populace, state control of all industries, complete censorship, political prison camps, executions, and neighborhood informers……….yea no thanks!
 
By the way how is Leon Trotsky doing these days………..have they taken that Stalin axe out yet?

Posted by: tobias cole | May 9 2026 22:44 utc | 370

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 20:28 utc | 367
 
The capitalist operating under informed self interest will want to maximize those profits.

 
That is the politest definition of abject greed I have seen.
 

 Finance capitalism is just the apex form of capitalism in which capital has been fully abstracted away from the production process. It is the natural and predicted (both Marx and Lenin described this development) culmination of capitalism’s evolution. 

 
But don’t stop with Marx there. Didn’t Marx go on to say (paraphrased) that capitalism will sow the seeds of its own destruction? And what would be the primary purpose of “Finance capitalism” … being … “fully abstracted away from the production process”?
 
Maybe it is that wonderful tool that brings fulfilment, joy, and happiness to the bulk of humanity?
 
 

 

Posted by: General Factotum | May 9 2026 22:46 utc | 371

Video of Iranian sperdboat harassing a US destroyer.

🇮🇷| The Iranian marine, addressing the US destroyers in the video, says:

“Yeah go ahead and flee! Here is the cradle of the earth and the land of the Iranians, here is a piece of Islam”

@FotrosResistancee

https://t.me/VanessaBeeley/45108

Posted by: Surferket | May 9 2026 22:53 utc | 372

Trump failed to seize Iran’s uranium but in the end got it from a low hanging fruit.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/08/venezuela-enriched-uranium-trump

Posted by: Surferket | May 9 2026 23:02 utc | 373

Lets see if IRGC will eat their own words.

🇮🇷 BREAKING: The IRGC Navy announces that from now on, any attack against Iranian oil tankers or commercial vessels will be met with a response against U.S. bases and proxies in the region and enemy ships.

🔴 @DDGeopolitics
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/183841

Posted by: Surferket | May 9 2026 23:07 utc | 374

General Dick Totem is back and knocking down straw men of its own creation again! So stunning and brave! Has the Dick cleared up its confusion about the difference between rocket engines and jet engines yet? 
 
 
I should remind the General Dick to spend more time Engagement Farming with posts about its insects and veggies to avoid the appearance of being fixated on one poster. That’s an unhealthy look.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 23:09 utc | 375

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 23:09 utc | 380

avoid the appearance of being fixated on one poster. That’s an unhealthy look.

I hope you’re aware of the irony: that line applies to you perfectly. I stopped reading your postings altogether because there’s way too much “General Dick Totem” which BTW isn’t as funny as you’d like it to be.

Posted by: Konami | May 9 2026 23:17 utc | 376

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 9 2026 22:27 utc | 374
 
quote 

 
But anyway, to bring things slightly back towards topic, Iran not having a BIS-affiliated central bank is a huge irritant for the Western hegemony. Gotta bomb those godless heathens into compliance, can’t have the “full faith and credit” of a Carrier Battle Group in every ocean being brought into disrepute…

 
jeremy, this is exactly what i am saying and which is why this conversation on usury is happening. here, i quote myself from @ 345
 

for anyone to operate outside of this western financialization that has been in place for some time and continues to seek a complete global control or dominant of others productivity, means that they will be subject to sanctions, or war and both…

 
i realize some folks might not find my writing attractive or engaging, for whatever reason, and maybe that is not the case here with you and others… i was the one who brought up the topic of usury as i continue to believe it is central to why this war is happening.. that’s all…  
 
there are some other posts i need to reply to, but will get to them in the next few hours.. thanks…
 

Posted by: james | May 9 2026 23:27 utc | 377

Konami @381
 
 
Being funny has never been my goal. 
 
 
By all means, don’t read my posts. Do read the General Dick’s posts in this thread, though, and see if you can figure out the difference between cause and effect. If you don’t like my responses to the Dick then perhaps you can take it up with the Dick itself and suggest it find something else to post about… more Engagement Farming about its vegetable garden, for instance.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 9 2026 23:30 utc | 378

AliTM: Ehsan Safarnejad: ‘Mojtaba Khamenei Health Update’
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6totsXoY2s
 
“Injuries, rumours and why no video appearances.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 9 2026 23:38 utc | 380

Posted by: John Gilberts | May 9 2026 23:38 utc | 385

You really want him to appear in public? You mean USRael don’t have a kill on sight contract out on him?

Posted by: Surferket | May 9 2026 23:42 utc | 381

“The meaning of USURY is the lending of money with an interest charge for its use; especially : the lending of money at exorbitant interest rates.”

 

 

What is happening now in is, for the majority of lending and borrowing, the opposite of usury. The conditions of low interest rates and easy credit combined with inflation are advantageous to the borrower. They will pay back the loan in devalued currency.

 
 
The world’s biggest creditor, the US government, owes roughly 10% of the entire global debt balance of $380 trillion. Through the strategic understatement of inflation rates the government convinces Treasury holders that they are benefitting from the transaction. They are not.
 

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | May 9 2026 23:42 utc | 382

sounds to me like the Iranians are about to increase the tempo of the war.. “any attack against Iranian oil tankers or commercial vessels will be met with a response against U.S. bases and proxies in the region and enemy ships.” per Surferket | 379
 
The question is what is required for a definitive win/loss by any of the several sides?  Seems the requirement is not particularly kinetic nor destructive, its more along the line of propaganda.. One thing I think the UN General assembly could task itself to do is to operate a global news agency.. and broadcast events as they happen by having the UN representative from each side present the event back to back and interpret its meanings for the entire world to see.  So the whole world can see the event and its meaning from both positions at once.. I think if this had been done with Gaza there would not have been a genocide.. 
 
What constitutes a win/lose fits into the psychological, emotional, cultural and historical framework of each person. But hearing the same news presented by knowledgeable advocates from each of the parties in one go should level the propaganda playing field. 
 
No one has defined the goals adequately nor have referees monitored compliance to the rules of engagement . so no one has been penalized for fouls and out of bounds.  Yet there is likely a winner and a loser?  

Posted by: snake | May 9 2026 23:48 utc | 383

@ james | May 9 2026 23:27 utc | 382
 
I think we see things in similar ways, just from different angles. The economic strength/influence of the US dollar depends on the military strength/influence of the US, but the affordability of US military strength/influence depends upon the strength/influence of the US dollar.
 
Hmmm… there could be some sustainability problems there, like trying to enforce a blockade 7,000 miles away from home bases, with uncertainty around replenishment from forward bases that are now compromised by an opponent that was seriously underestimated at the outset. That there US dollar might not be as welcome as it once was.
 
If we ask the question: what sort of hegemon embarks upon such a risky venture? Do we get the answer: a failing hegemon? I think so.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 9 2026 23:56 utc | 384

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 9 2026 23:56 utc | 389

Trump made a huge mistake. He should have gone after Cuba which is just off the US coast. It will fall as easily as Venezuela after a US show of military force and a naval blockade.

Posted by: Surferket | May 10 2026 0:05 utc | 385

Posted by: snake | May 9 2026 23:48 utc | 388

The problem is US will not negotiate. Every “offer” from them is the same; surrender.

How to expect Iran to negotiate? They made their best offer to Oman just before USRael launched their decapitation strike.
Iran won’t compromise on their missile program as it’s clearly their missile program that’s saving their butts in these 2 wars.

Posted by: Surferket | May 10 2026 0:09 utc | 386

surferket 390 – true…….but Bibi was blowing smoke in his ear……and the unthinkable occurred!

Posted by: tobias cole | May 10 2026 0:11 utc | 387

Posted by: tobias cole | May 9 2026 22:44 utc | 375
 

political assassinations, disarming the populace, state control of all industries, complete censorship, political prison camps, executions, and neighborhood informers

 
You’re being unfair to Trump’s America.
Aside from maybe Charlie Kirk, the executions haven’t really started yet.
You’re still stuck in the “police brutality” stage.
 
Maybe after Trump next failed impeachment?

Posted by: Sebgo | May 10 2026 0:27 utc | 388

Fool Me Twice | May 9 2026 23:42 utc | 387
*** What is happening now in is, for the majority of lending and borrowing, the opposite of usury. The conditions of low interest rates and easy credit combined with inflation are advantageous to the borrower. They will pay back the loan in devalued currency. ***
 
 
Which is still a profit to the lending  financial institutions, since what they loaned out (and for which they are still getting repaid something) did not exist in the first place.
 

Posted by: Cynic | May 10 2026 0:46 utc | 389

@ Fool Me Twice | May 9 2026 23:42 utc | 387
 
i think that’s called ”debasing the currency” which is fine for the bankers and those who borrow, but not fine for those that have the crazy idea that money ( paper currency )  is a reflection of value….  and ditto cynics comment @ 394… making money off money still works, without any requirement for actual productivity…
 
@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 9 2026 23:56 utc | 389
 
thanks.. i think you are right, but if this ponzi scheme called the us$ is to continue, forced expansion and eating up of others resources are necessary which would explain the usa’s aggrandizement towards a number of countries around the planet whose resources they covet…. trumps actions are quite blatant in this respect… it is like a machine that needs to constantly be fed more and more in it’s opportunistic zeal…  there is no room for others to pursue an independent pathway, and instead all must pay a special toll to the usa in the form of world currency and all that comes with it…
 
@ Tannenhouser | May 9 2026 20:05 utc | 365
 
quote  
 

what is behind usury?

 
international institutions like the bis, imf, world bank, central banking system and etc. etc.. it is a rigged game with the power in the hands of wall st and the city of london primarily…  who benefits from these institutions??  it was set up to benefit the usa as i see it.. apparently it was an outcome of ww2… 
 
 

Posted by: james | May 10 2026 3:25 utc | 390

@unsightfulviews@290: you’re apparently unaware that Locke owned shares in RAC (Royal African Company), the leading English company in the slave trade. 

Posted by: John H9 | May 10 2026 3:44 utc | 391

@UWDude@148: Impressionism ended with Monet. 

Posted by: John H9 | May 10 2026 3:48 utc | 392

@WilliamGruff@323: although much will be beyond you, try Stephen Mitford Goodson “A History of Central Bamking”.  

Posted by: John H9 | May 10 2026 4:25 utc | 393

@unsightfulviews@290: you’re apparently unaware that Locke owned shares in RAC (Royal African Company), the leading English company in the slave trade. 
Posted by: John H9 | May 10 2026 3:44 utc | 396
 
 
I was unaware. thx. There is much I do not know. Its a far bigger volume than I might ever know. 

Posted by: unsightfulviews | May 10 2026 4:29 utc | 394

I can’t seem to put myself to bed and have been itching to say something about the james Usury question.
 
I see the concept of usury as applying to private finance but not public finance.
 
The more appropriate concept for public finance is appropriate risk management.
 
With pure public finance the risk management “profits and losses” come out of and go into the public commons that supports other government functions.
 
If all finance was run by sovereign countries as public utilities for their citizens, then usury would not exist, eh?

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 10 2026 6:40 utc | 395

Which is still a profit to the lending  financial institutions, since what they loaned out (and for which they are still getting repaid something) did not exist in the first place.
 
Posted by: Cynic | May 10 2026 0:46 utc | 394

 
Bank loans are offsetting balance sheet entries, both an asset and a liability. Once the loan is extinguished the value returns to where it started. Zero.
 

and ditto cynics comment @ 394… making money off money still works, without any requirement for actual productivity…

 

Posted by: james | May 10 2026 3:25 utc | 395

 
Money is just another tool to get necessary things done. Banks and credit unions are licensed and regulated manufacturers of those tools and are paid for that service. With lower profit margins than say, software companies.
 
The system has structural problems, no doubt, but it is as essential to modern society as energy. One can complain and theorize about alternative systems and solutions, but one thing is guaranteed. Neither you nor I will have any influence on the outcome.
 
 
 

international institutions like the bis, imf, world bank, central banking system and etc. etc.. it is a rigged game with the power in the hands of wall st and the city of london primarily…  who benefits from these institutions??  it was set up to benefit the usa as i see it.. apparently it was an outcome of ww2…   
Posted by: james | May 10 2026 3:25 utc | 395

 
 
Usury (in the pejorative sense of excessive interest) existed long before any post WW2 global finance infrastructure. Yes, the post WW2 rules benefitted the USA since they were the self-declared winners. Votes at IMF and World Bank were allocated by national GDP and the US + European allies had voting control.
 
The 1971 Nixon gold default should have caused reform, but no effective opposition to the control of the west emerged. It was only recently that Basel III allowed gold to be used as an IMF Tier 1 asset at full market value. The subsequent price discovery has been interesting to watch as well as participate in (via mining companies).
 
If the USA has as much gold as claimed (admittedly a big if) they now have a basis to issue more Treasury debt without apparent insolvency. So was the redesignation of gold an anti-monetarist move, or to keep the debt Ponzi afloat for another decade? Funny how many concluded the former while it was more likely the latter.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | May 10 2026 12:21 utc | 396

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 9 2026 17:12 utc | 341“I’m trying to find out what this “usury” term actually means “
 
In means a monopoly – by the edict of God that was written as the slave religion for Muslims and Christians!
That’s it. If you need elaboration read on.
 
A monopoly that is enforced by Gods chosen representatives on Earth. 
 
The Kings, Priests and cultural lies.
 
challenging that monopoly is punishable by death! Or worse.
 
It allowed only one so called hated by Christian chosen people to practice it!
 
It is a con. As the invention of the judaeo Christianity as the Holy Roman Empire .
 
interest or return on ‘capital’,  is normal and old as humanity and its civilisational cultural tool makers reward.
 
When a farmer gives seed corn to his neighbour does he not deserve a return on it? If it is a sucessful crop?

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 10 2026 13:28 utc | 397

@ psychohistorian | May 10 2026 6:40 utc | 400
 
it’s nice to dream of a society or world that wasn’t wanting to profit off others productivity, and instead wanted to honour others productivity… i think michael hudsons focus on the fire sector and the rentier class is very connected to this dilemma facing humanity..
 
@ Fool Me Twice | May 10 2026 12:21 utc | 401
 
thanks for your commentary fmt… it seems to me the idea of others profiting of someone else’s labour doesn’t fit into your idea of usury…  i am not sure where to begin, but i too recommend the book mentioned in @ John H9 | May 10 2026 4:25 utc | 398 post..  you might also benefit from reading john perkins book ‘confessions of an economic hitman’ to help expand your understanding on the nature of the imf and world bank…
 
quote from you –

money is just another tool to get things done…..

 
true… but that misses a huge swath of the story and history on money…   i am not sure where to begin here other then recommend more reading.. cheers james

Posted by: james | May 10 2026 15:03 utc | 398