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May 17, 2026
Ukraine Open Thread 2026-101
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 15th May 2026: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update Posted by: The Busker | May 17 2026 14:14 utc | 1 Many people have called for much more aggressive Russian actions in Ukraine and against Western Europe, even going so far as to call for the use of nuclear weapons. Posted by: RuneDenmark | May 17 2026 14:38 utc | 2 Dead thread again. May I re-submit? Posted by: English Outsider | May 17 2026 14:40 utc | 3 Ave, Posted by: SPQR | May 17 2026 14:56 utc | 4 English Outsider: Posted by: kupkee | May 17 2026 16:29 utc | 5 English Outsider 3 Posted by: Mike R | May 17 2026 19:10 utc | 6 @ Mike R §6: Posted by: John Marks | May 17 2026 19:40 utc | 7 Posted by: Mike R | May 17 2026 19:10 utc | 6 Posted by: unimperator | May 17 2026 19:45 utc | 8 There no citation given for this bar graph (maybe it’s in the Russian header) just a link to the original TG channel post, and I was schooled to ignore uncited things but that was before there was an internet where everything is real (enough) and where “no one knows you’re a dog” and it’s fun to bark in the echo chamber so, on those conditions here it is for your consideration. I can’t remember who our resident statistician is, I think Exile, so maybe he or someone else can opine on it. All that said, after seeing 4 years of clips like this video from Haisyn it seems probable to me. It’s quite the graph:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 17 2026 20:05 utc | 9 Posted by: unimperator | May 17 2026 19:45 utc | 8
I believe that if the Kremlin eventually decides on a military action against core EUrope then a good target is in Germany. They can argue like this:
In this list, 1-3 only apply to Germany. Posted by: Konami | May 17 2026 20:31 utc | 10 Mike R 6 – yes even more reason to push the Big Arrow and collapse the rotten wall of conscripts, and surpress the drone threat with EW, and get the heck toward Odessa and Transnistria in the now dry season asap……get it done for gosh sakes….crush NATO and UK Brit mercs like a pop can! Posted by: tobias cole | May 17 2026 20:38 utc | 11 Any thoughts on the Moscow drone attack? Posted by: Sean | May 17 2026 20:56 utc | 12 Look its got to be obvious by now to VVP that the entire military-industrial complex of a core of the EU is going to be devoted (as adelled as they are) to produced arms for the destruction of Mother Russia. Posted by: tobias cole | May 17 2026 21:00 utc | 13 Notable that one of the regular posters of Youtube videos featuring the likes of Helmer and Doctorow didn’t deem it necessary or worthwhile to post this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0fQsI6L6Lo featuring Col. Daniel Davis talking with Dmitry Polyanski. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 21:08 utc | 14 Any thoughts on the Moscow drone attack? Whatever Russia does ( which is now inevitable ) in my opinion.
Posted by: Andrew | May 17 2026 21:21 utc | 15 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 21:49 utc | 17 Posted by: English Outsider | May 17 2026 14:40 utc | 3 Posted by: AleaJactaEst | May 17 2026 21:57 utc | 18 Russia is very flexible with red lines or has none. This seriously dents the credibility of Russian deterrence capabilities. Exactly what NATO wanted to test out and weaken. Russian people are losing faith in its capabilities. Maidan Moskva or worse the collapse of the RF into smaller nations. Some will still justify Putin’s weaknesses who is increasingly becoming Gorbachev v2.0. Posted by: Jason | May 17 2026 21:59 utc | 19
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2026 21:55 utc | 18
https://t.me/s/i20028843 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 22:04 utc | 20 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 So now we have not only @ Simon | May 17 2026 21:55 utc | 18 but we also have @ Jason | May 17 2026 21:59 utc | 20 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 22:09 utc | 22 @17 Russia can choose not to escalate and live in fear everyday like Gazans. No problem. But NATO and Ukies will escalate. Shooting the messenger won’t fix it. All targets in Moscow are civilian. A nuclear response is a must to keep their deterrence intact. Otherwise all and sundry will target Russia. At some point Russia might have to sell off Siberia to China – Xi’s plan which also involves bleeding Russia in a long war. Posted by: Jason | May 17 2026 22:09 utc | 23 Just because Russia didn’t enforce western self-imagined red lines doesn’t mean it doesn’t have the capability to put Nato/EU in a world of hurt. Judging by Ritter and Martyanov now judging it as highly likely, it could be Germany that will be made an example of. Posted by: unimperator | May 17 2026 22:10 utc | 24
Posted by: Andrew | May 17 2026 22:04 utc | 22 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 22:16 utc | 25
Posted by: Andrew | May 17 2026 22:04 utc | 22 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 22:23 utc | 26 [Columbo voice on ] Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 22:29 utc | 27 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 22:09 utc | 23 Posted by: Konami | May 17 2026 22:36 utc | 28
Posted by: Simon | May 17 2026 22:24 utc | 29 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 22:38 utc | 29 Posted by: tobias cole | May 17 2026 21:00 utc | 13 Posted by: spudski | May 17 2026 22:48 utc | 30 More on how Russia can take down Starlink satellites from LEO. Not only it has such multi-warhead AD missiles, but also nuclear powered laser satellites that can toast them individually. Posted by: unimperator | May 17 2026 22:48 utc | 31 see post #13 – Time for full RF mobilization of all reserve forces and equipment, aircraft and navy ships………… Posted by: tobias cole | May 17 2026 22:51 utc | 32 Posted by: tobias cole | May 17 2026 21:00 utc | 13 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 17 2026 22:38 utc | 32 I see no compelling reason why Ukraine and Russia couldn’t have kept up peaceful co-existence.BUT. There are outsiders (not you) who profit from resource grabs to collateralize dying Empires. To that extent, I can agree that Ukraine and Russia (to a lesser degree) are being used by amoral forces. Posted by: HB_Norica | May 17 2026 23:12 utc | 35 Posted by: Andrew | May 17 2026 22:04 utc | 22 Posted by: James M. | May 17 2026 23:23 utc | 36 Odessa being hammered. They gave Ukraine $300 billion and it still doesnt’ have air defense systems. Posted by: unimperator | May 17 2026 23:24 utc | 37 Posted by: UWDude | May 17 2026 23:04 utc | 36 Posted by: spudski | May 17 2026 23:39 utc | 38 Posted by: HB_Norica | May 17 2026 23:12 utc | 38 Posted by: Peter Williams | May 17 2026 23:41 utc | 39 Ukranazi drones hit Zelenograd in the Moscow region. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | May 17 2026 23:53 utc | 40 the kid gloves are going to come off Posted by: unsightfulviews | May 17 2026 23:58 utc | 41 Posted by: unsightfulviews | May 17 2026 23:58 utc | 44
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | May 18 2026 0:19 utc | 42 Once the RF Big Arrow offensive begins, there are several issues to keep in mind (I expect a major offensive before the end of the month): Posted by: tobias cole | May 18 2026 0:20 utc | 43
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | May 18 2026 0:28 utc | 44 One telling thing about the “600 drones” attack on Russia/Moscow is that the massive bombardment of Ukraine that just occurred basically did nothing to degrade this capability. Because the parts are built in the EU/China and can be assembled in basements spread all over the place and snuck out at a moments notice. There’s almost nothing that can be done until the entire country is defeated. Hell, even a “rump Ukraine” that is often discussed could continue spitting out these drones indefinitely with EU backing. They won’t win a war (they are basically EU sponsored terrorism), but they can cause a lot of internal problems in Russia (the point). Posted by: Moonraker | May 18 2026 1:12 utc | 45 I notice an RT article outlining how Russia is sustaining itself quite well inside its own economy. It explains a solid political-economic overview strategy for the future, plans to keep it going that way and improve it. Posted by: Gerhardt G. | May 18 2026 1:17 utc | 46 There’s almost nothing that can be done until the entire country is defeated. Posted by: James M. | May 18 2026 1:44 utc | 47 Something to keep in mind is that Europe will only get weaker moving forward. The Strait is closed for the foreseeable future, while the Europoodles have declared their energy independence from Russia, leaving them with only expensive US hydrocarbons to fuel their economies. Any dreams of a re-industrialized and re-militarized Europe that will be ready to confront Russia are just that. Europe has neither the determination or the resource base to make it happen, not in a year or 5 years. Then there’s the question, if Russia finally has enough of their insolence and puts the hammer down, will the US do anything? Not likely, as the reality of the US defeat in the Persian Gulf sets in and Trump turns to pushing around Latin American countries to let off steam. This may be a question of when is the most opportune time for Russia to make a major move, which may be soon but not now. Posted by: Mike R | May 18 2026 2:02 utc | 48 Posted by: Mike R | May 18 2026 2:02 utc | 58
You are right that they announced that but nonetheless EU imported more Russian gas in 2025 than before 2022. Random link: https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-imports-of-russian-gas-highest-since-ukraine-invasion-report/ Posted by: Konami | May 18 2026 2:08 utc | 49 Posted by: Konami | May 17 2026 20:31 utc | 10 “Germany is openly violating the 2+4 treaty.. Posted by: ed4 | May 18 2026 2:33 utc | 50 Posted by: James M. | May 18 2026 1:44 utc | 57 “Exactly right, and the only way to defeat Ukraine is through attritional warfare. “ Posted by: ed4 | May 18 2026 2:36 utc | 51 Posted by: Gerhardt G. | May 18 2026 1:17 utc | 56 “WITHOUT LOBBYING PAYOLA” Posted by: ed4 | May 18 2026 2:42 utc | 52 Posted by: tobias cole | May 18 2026 0:20 utc | 48 “I expect a major offensive before the end of the month” Posted by: ed4 | May 18 2026 2:47 utc | 53
Posted by: Asian Frog | May 18 2026 3:01 utc | 54 Posted by: spudski | May 17 2026 23:39 utc | 41 My prediction is…. Doesn’t Iran know when Russia crumbles, Itan is next? Exactly right, and the only way to defeat Ukraine is through attritional warfare. Wearing down their ability to fight over x number of years. That’s why calls for Russian escalation, and Putin is a pussy because Ukraine crossed a red line and he didn’t do anything, are short-sighted. Posted by: frithguild | May 18 2026 4:28 utc | 58 Question to AI:what are the opinions among chinese social media about russias actions in ukraine? Do they think Russia would have been split into many regions and western oligarchs would have obtained russias resources or do they think Russia could have acted differently? Posted by: petergrfstrm | May 18 2026 5:21 utc | 59 After asking AI again I get the view of a more decisive highly educated group. That constitutes serious critique of Russia. I would have preferred the truth was different but I sense the need to let the Chinese social media views be known Posted by: petergrfstrm | May 18 2026 5:47 utc | 60 Food for thoughts :
Posted by: Asian Frog | May 18 2026 5:52 utc | 61
The Bolsheviks did not conquer Galicia in 1921 and combined it with Novorossia and other bits of Russia to make the Ukraine SSR. Posted by: Moscow Exile | May 18 2026 6:02 utc | 62
Posted by: Asian Frog | May 18 2026 6:03 utc | 63 Another important cultural difference between Galicians and the rest of the citizens of the former UkSSR: Galicians consider themselves a cut above the rest of “Ukrainians” because they are “Westerners”, and if they have a faith, they are Roman Catholics or or “Greek Orthodox” [Orthodox liturgy but accept the Roman Pope as their spiritual leader]. They are ersatz Polacks, in a sense. They sometimes even even attach to their names the Polish word “Pan” (originally meaning an aristo, “sir” or now “mister”) — a clear case of Stockholm Syndrome, as Eastern Slav peasants of Galitsia, were treated as almost sub-human by their former Polish overlords. Posted by: Moscow Exile | May 18 2026 6:21 utc | 64 Zelenograd is just 35 km from Moscow. Trying to claim that it didn’t reach Mosscow itself, functionally speaking, is like claiming that the nazis in 1941 didn’t get to Moscow when they penetrated into the suburb of Khimki, within sight of the spires of the cathedrals around the Kremlin. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | May 17 2026 23:53 utc | 43 Posted by: Moscow Exile | May 18 2026 6:28 utc | 65 I agree that the best way to defeat Ukraine is through attrition warfare. Concurrently punishment of Ukraine for attacking Russia can be carried out. They are not mutually exclusive. Posted by: Jason | May 18 2026 6:44 utc | 66 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | May 18 2026 0:28 utc | 47 Posted by: unimperator | May 18 2026 6:50 utc | 67 – Do not under any circumstances attempt to reduce the re-inforced festung fortifications in their, the UAF, secondary defense lines. Reducing them will also reduce the offensive’s forward movement – do not do that. Posted by: Moscow Exile | May 18 2026 6:52 utc | 68 OK i get it , Russia weak because drone attacks. Few civilians were injured and a couple of gasoline tanks exploded. How can they ever recover from that !?!? Posted by: 667 | May 18 2026 6:54 utc | 69 @Asian Frog | May 18 2026 6:03 utc | 66 Posted by: petergrfstrm | May 18 2026 7:56 utc | 70
Posted by: Avtonom | May 18 2026 8:49 utc | 71 Another important cultural difference between Galicians and the rest of the citizens of the former UkSSR: Galicians consider themselves a cut above the rest of “Ukrainians” because they are “Westerners”, and if they have a faith, they are Roman Catholics or or “Greek Orthodox” [Orthodox liturgy but accept the Roman Pope as their spiritual leader]. They are ersatz Polacks, in a sense. They sometimes even even attach to their names the Polish word “Pan” (originally meaning an aristo, “sir” or now “mister”) — a clear case of Stockholm Syndrome, as Eastern Slav peasants of Galitsia, were treated as almost sub-human by their former Polish overlords. Posted by: Moscow Exile | May 18 2026 8:59 utc | 72 Any thoughts on the Moscow drone attack? For some reason, Diesen seems agitated. https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/2055996302576500792 Posted by: Sean | May 17 2026 20:56 utc | 12 Posted by: Moscow Exile | May 18 2026 9:04 utc | 73 Posted by: Moscow Exile | May 18 2026 6:21 utc | 67 ————— Posted by: sh0tek | May 18 2026 10:10 utc | 74
I frequently sit and wonder whether it matters or not that presently Germany is occupied, has US bases on its soil and has not done a peace treaty with the USA or the UK – ergo, whether the violations were done by Germany on its own or at the behest of whoever’s occupying it (and by ‘foreign agents’ installed by the CIA). Posted by: joey_n | May 18 2026 10:36 utc | 75 Posted by: Avtonom | May 18 2026 8:49 utc | 74 Posted by: unimperator | May 18 2026 10:43 utc | 76 Posted by: UWDude | May 18 2026 4:17 “Nobody cares. Your prefictions are always worthless.” Posted by: ed4 | May 18 2026 10:51 utc | 77 The silver lining is that EU’s militarization program is already choking on rising cost inflation for military hardware, and especially auxiliary costs like personnel, healthcare benefits, pensions etc. NATO spends 30-60% of its budget on auxiliary costs, which are ramping up like crazy.
https://x.com/Marcorio61O/status/2056294033899532345 Posted by: unimperator | May 18 2026 10:54 utc | 78 Hmm, how many have I made? Whose have been more accurate? Posted by: James M. | May 18 2026 10:59 utc | 79 Posted by: Sean | May 17 2026 20:56 utc | 12 Posted by: ed4 | May 18 2026 11:02 utc | 80
Posted by: Avtonom | May 18 2026 11:15 utc | 81 Posted by: James M. | May 18 2026 10:59 utc | 82 Posted by: ed4 | May 18 2026 11:30 utc | 82
Posted by: tucenz | May 18 2026 11:45 utc | 83 Posted by: joey_n | May 18 2026 10:36 utc | 78
I wondered about that too and I have no answer. The following is a possibility: USA (and UK) have been preparing occupied Germany as a target, through transatlantic policy (grooming German elites) and preserving the post-WW2 special status. I have no idea if that was part of Washington’s planning since the 1950s. I can very imagine it to have been. Posted by: Konami | May 18 2026 11:49 utc | 84 Posted by: ed4 | May 18 2026 11:30 utc | 85 Posted by: James M. | May 18 2026 11:59 utc | 85 Unimperator. Great stuff. I look for your comments and attend to them very seriously. Always have and have taken the liberty of quoting them elsewhere. Though, if it’s not carping, you and the other on the ball commenters here’d maybe help out your grateful readers if you sourced like you used to. Posted by: English Outsider | May 18 2026 12:06 utc | 86 Near the end of the inevitable conquest of fascism by vast armees of proxy Russian killers – some Germans who really believed they were not ziotools – star ther throwing their shit at London! V1’s and V2’s which could have been extended to reach Washington and New York. Posted by: DunGroanin | May 18 2026 12:23 utc | 87 Posted by: Moscow Exile | May 18 2026 6:21 utc | 67 Posted by: frithguild | May 18 2026 12:37 utc | 88 Posted by: unimperator | May 18 2026 10:54 utc | 81
He indeed said that, in an attempt to convince EUrope that they can’t go without US — so those are Washington’s orders on Rutte/NATO. Here’s his quote with a bit more context, from https://fox59.com/news/national-world/ap-international/ap-nato-chief-wishes-good-luck-to-those-who-think-europe-can-defend-itself-without-us-help/
In countries like Germany, 10% GDP translates to 90% state budget. This got me wondering: what where the highest sustained military spendings in history? Here’s some data. Clearly, these figures aren’t precise — a lot of military spending is hidden in civilian domains, so the numbers are a lower bound.
USA after WW2, in percentage of GDP:
Other countries with significant military spending, again in % of GDP:
All these numbers are politicial/politicized but IMO still interesting. Because in daily life, most discussion is about state budget (this many % on social welfare, that on education, so much on debt service etc.), finally some figures to roughly compare those:
In Germany, 5% GDP = 45% budget. Rutte’s 10% GDP = 90% budget, possible only when losing a war. Weidmanns Heil!
Posted by: Konami | May 18 2026 12:39 utc | 89 World bank estimate says Germany collects like 11% of its GDP as tax (Tax to GDP Ratio by Country 2026). How can this generate 1/2 its GDP (serious question)? Posted by: jekleni | May 18 2026 13:13 utc | 90 Posted by: Konami | May 18 2026 12:39 utc | 92 Posted by: Savonarole | May 18 2026 13:15 utc | 91 Avtonom | May 18 2026 11:15 utc | 84 @English Outsider | May 18 2026 12:06 utc | 89
Good comment. I was at a loss for words to describe my reaction. Yep, it’s a real bastard watching the EU/UK commit economic seppuku. Posted by: cirsium | May 18 2026 13:17 utc | 93 Konami | May 18 2026 11:49 utc | 87 Posted by: tobias cole | May 17 2026 21:00 utc | 13 Posted by: Winter | May 18 2026 13:30 utc | 95
Posted by: Avtonom | May 18 2026 13:37 utc | 96 Germany is about to violate the 2+4 treaty by placing a NATO headquarter in Rostock, former GDR territory. Posted by: persiflo | May 18 2026 13:38 utc | 97 Posted by: persiflo | May 18 2026 13:38 utc | 100 Posted by: unimperator | May 18 2026 13:45 utc | 98 Russia has no real incentive to strike “the West” directly in any meaningful way. Even if Russia feels provoked now, there is unlikely to be any direct escalation against NATO. Posted by: John Archer | May 18 2026 13:56 utc | 99 A sidelight on the debate about whether Russia is doing enough to crush Ukrainian resistance — an article in Russia Today: Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | May 18 2026 13:58 utc | 100 |
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