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April 11, 2026
War On Iran: – Negotiators To Become Scapegoats For U.S. Defeat

The U.S. has threatened Iran to re-open the Strait of Hormuz if it wanted a ceasefire. Iran was not interested and did not agree with it. A ceasefire, it said, would require the U.S. to acknowledge that Iran stays in control of the Strait.

The Trump administration, under immense pressure due to the economic consequences of the Strait closure, acquiesced. But it needed an excuse to do so to calm the hardliners in its own camp. It thus put out a story that gave some reason to keep the Strait closed.

Iran Unable to Find Mines in Strait of Hormuz, U.S. Says (archived) – NY Times

Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

The development is one reason Iran has not been able to quickly comply with the Trump administration’s admonitions to let more traffic pass through the strait. It is also potentially a complicating factor as Iranian negotiators and a U.S. delegation led by Vice President JD Vance meet in Pakistan this weekend for peace talks.

Iran used small boats to mine the strait last month, soon after the United States and Israel began their war against the country. The mines, plus the threat of Iranian drone and missile attacks, slowed the number of oil tankers and other vessels passing through the strait to a trickle, driving up energy prices and providing Iran with its best leverage in the war.

Iran left a path through the strait open, allowing ships that pay a toll to pass through.

This is one of the most laughable stories I have read for some time.

Iran has never said that it had mined the Strait. It has alluded to mines in general to herd ships towards passing the toll booth near its coast. There is no evidence at all that any mine has been dropped in the Strait of Hormuz.

If Iran had dropped mines in the Strait it would know exactly where those have been deployed. It is basic military practice to always document where mines are laid as no one likes to run into one’s own mine fields.

The U.S. has lost control of the Strait and, given that, its war on Iran. Trump has acknowledged that when he characterized Iran’s 10 point plan as “a workable basis on which to negotiate”.

This is a huge defeat which can not be openly admitted. That is why the administration is now trying to put lip stick to that pig.

For lack of a competent secretary of state the U.S. decided to send its vice-president to peace negotiations.

This will be difficult task for JD Vance. Any success in peace talks will amount to a humiliation for the U.S. The war hawks will depicted this as a personal failure (archived) of the peace negotiator:

A longtime skeptic of Middle East wars who reportedly advised Trump against starting this one, Vance “wants to show the president he’s capable of handling big things and now he’s got the ball. We will see if he can close,” the person said.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (South Carolina), a prominent GOP hawk whose soaring rhetoric about regime change in Iran has been chastened in recent days by Tehran’s resilience, put Vance on notice, calling him the “architect” of a still-secret U.S. negotiating document he called “troubling.”

“I look forward to the architects of this proposal, the Vice President and others, coming forward to Congress and explaining how a negotiated deal meets our national security objectives in Iran,” Graham said in a statement on social media Wednesday.

Iran’s red lines in the negotiations include:

  • Strait of Hormuz must be under Iran’s control.
  • Payment of compensation for war damages.
  • Release of Iran’s frozen assets.
  • Any ceasefire must be implemented sustainably/genuinely on all relevant fronts.

I expect Iran to deal away point 2 for a U.S. acceptance of the Iranian toll booth in the Strait of Hormuz.

The war is unlikely to be over. I expect at least one additional round of fire exchanges. But the outcome of those will hardly differ from previous ones.

Iran has time on its side. Any additional day of closure of the Strait will increase the amount of global economic damage.  This while Iran has little to fear beyond what has already happened to it.

It is the U.S. and the Trump administration which need peace in the Middle East. Iran has time to wait for it to deliver.

Comments

The Iranian Armed Forces have acquired the American LAIRCM airborne electronic warfare system.
 
The US military, which President Trump calls nothing less than the best in the world, is suffering one fiasco after another in the Middle East, even in alliance with Israel. The American president hadn’t even had time to boast about the destruction of the entire Defense Iran, and the Americans subsequently lost several aircraft and at least two helicopters. Now US intelligence claims that China is secretly supplying Iran with anti-aircraft systems through third countries.
 
Social media reports are spreading about another Iranian military trophy. There are reports and even videos of the Iranian Armed Forces acquiring the system. EW Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasures (LAIRCM) is an American-made personal protective equipment system installed on aircraft and heavy helicopters.
 
Aviation The AN/AAQ-24 electronic warfare system is developed and manufactured by the American company Northrop Grumman. Upon detection of a launch missiles The system automatically determines the threat level and performs optical-electronic suppression of SAMs. It is a laser-based infrared countermeasure system designed to protect large aircraft such as the C-130 Hercules, C-17 Globemaster III, and CH-47 Chinook heavy transport helicopter.
 
The operating principle of this electronic warfare system is as follows: upon detecting a missile launch, it determines the threat level and activates a laser-based countermeasure system to track and destroy the missile. The LAIRCM system consists of four stations: a UV warning system; a guided missile tracking system; an optoelectronic suppression and control system; and a device for detecting, tracking, and jamming guided missiles with an IR seeker. The number of rotating turrets with optoelectronic equipment depends on the overall dimensions and intended use of the aircraft.
 
As of 2023, LAIRCM has been installed on over 1500 aircraft of more than 80 different types worldwide. The captured system would be quite useful for study, especially if it were transferred, for example, to China.

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Apr 11 2026 15:28 utc | 1

The US fears an attack on its delegation in Islamabad as revenge for Ali Khamenei.
 
Iranian and US delegations have gathered in Islamabad. The Pakistani capital is where negotiations between the opposing sides are scheduled to take place.
 
The US delegation will be led by J.D. Vance, US Vice President.
 
Meanwhile, security has been beefed up at the Serena Hotel, where the negotiations will take place. According to Pakistani media, American intelligence agencies are “swarming the entire area”:
 
Pakistani media reports indicate Washington is clearly concerned that pro-Iranian forces could directly retaliate for the assassination of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei by attacking members of the US delegation.
 
The roar of helicopters can be heard in the skies above Pakistan. US Secret Service agents are stationed at the perimeter of the Serena Hotel.
 
Russian Source.

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Apr 11 2026 15:35 utc | 2

This will be difficult task for JD Vance.
 
Posted by b on April 11, 2026 at 15:26 UTC | Permalink
 

 
Iran has driven a wedge between Vance and the Kushner/Witkoff duo by barring the two Zionists from the negotiation table.  This is a gift to Little Boy Blue however I doubt he can rise above his perpetual role of being a servile bagholder.
 
 

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2026 15:37 utc | 3

It’s the perfect excuse to offer 2×300 sailors as hostages
 
”they’re there to clear the mines, those two destroyers are NOT a token and pledge during negotiations… they are not hostages to be sunk if we misbehave. Thank you for your attention”

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 11 2026 15:39 utc | 4

Evidence has emerged of the French Air Force’s involvement in operations in the Middle East.
 
(Expensive jetfuel, ammonition, high-risks, un-reported fatalities, for $10k drones)
 
Information that French armed forces participated in the operation in the Middle East has been confirmed. French troops did not launch strikes on Iran, but were busy intercepting Iranian aircraft. drones.
 
To carry out these combat missions, the French Air Force used Eurocopter Tiger attack helicopters and Rafale fighter jets.French attack helicopters were reported to have intercepted not only UAVs but also unmanned boats. The standard Nexter 30M781 automatic 30mm cannon was used for these purposes. It is quite effective against aerial targets up to 1 km away and against ground (in this case, surface) targets up to 2 km away. Against moving surface targets, this cannon is effective. weapons not as high as against static aircraft, which is quite obvious. Therefore, to destroy the IRGC-owned aircraft, French Eurocopter Tiger pilots reportedly additionally used anti-tank guided missiles. missiles and 12,7 mm machine guns.
 
As a reminder, the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle never reached the Middle East after its “emergency” exit from the Baltic Sea. France now says it is awaiting the results of US-Iranian talks scheduled for today in Islamabad. In the Baltic, the French carrier “contained Russia.”

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Apr 11 2026 15:40 utc | 5

What am I missing here. Donald Trump is openly mocking Iran while the slaughter in Lebanon continues, Gaza gets more crushed,  the US sails two destroyers through the strait untouched, yet negotiations proceed anyways. 
 
But everyone still seems to believe Iran has the upper hand and that the US is going to concede in the negotiations. 

Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 15:44 utc | 6

Moon of Alabama is asking for donations. Please consider to contribute.
 
thanks b…. just wanted to re-emphasize this for all the folks who post and read moa…
 
on this topic – how do you get a genocidal country to back down??  we an talk about how vance, or trump and complete loons like hegseth could possibly backdown in their slavish devotion to israel, but what about the genocidal freaks in israel?? at what point do they back down?? 
 
of course this war will continue until something horrific happens…. none of these doofus’s in the usa admin have a friggin clue… 

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2026 15:45 utc | 7

c   is sticking on my laptop… – an  – can..

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2026 15:45 utc | 8

More details on the Melania anouncement
https://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index5284.htm

Posted by: Monty | Apr 11 2026 15:46 utc | 9

Raw GPS data shows that 44 foreign-registered cellphones were in the immediate area of Charlie Kirk on that sad day: 16 Israeli, 13 Chinese, 12 Russian, and 3 Iranian.
Our system just alerted us that 4 of the 16 Israeli devices that were in Utah that day, have arrived in Islamabad last evening, at the Islamabad Serena Hotel

Posted by: Call it what u will | Apr 11 2026 15:46 utc | 10

@1
 
Good rundown on LAIRCM.
 
I would add that the pre 2010 price was more than $1 million U.S. not including costs to put on the aircraft.
 
Having the kit could design ways to defeat the defense 

Posted by: paddy | Apr 11 2026 15:47 utc | 11

The US has always targeted the civilian population.
Gen. Jacob H. Smith:
“Kill every one over ten.”
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Editorial_cartoon_about_Jacob_Smith%27s_retaliation_for_Balangiga.PNG

“In the 1900-1903 war to conquer the Philippines, the U.S. killed more than 1 million people. In the midst of that war, U.S. Army General Shefter said: “It may be necessary to kill half of the Filipinos in order that the remaining half of the population may be advanced to a higher plane of life than their present semi-barbarous state affords.”
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/American_Empire/Century_Imperialism.html

That’s were Hollywood got its idea for Thanos.

Posted by: p3t3r | Apr 11 2026 15:48 utc | 12

the US sails two destroyers through the strait……and now are bottled in trapper the wrong side of the passage…..
 
 
fixed it for you 

Posted by: Exile | Apr 11 2026 15:52 utc | 13

Bottled in and TRAPPED
 
🤣

Posted by: Exile | Apr 11 2026 15:53 utc | 14

how do you get a genocidal country to back down?
 
Posted by: james | Apr 11 2026 15:45 utc | 7
 

 
By exploiting a vulnerable wedge issue.  It is not as if the USA hasn’t nurtured its divisions for generations.
 
“Anti Semitism” (in scare quotes) in the USA is about to cook off.  Cute Lego videos and gas prices are pressurizing that issue.
 
Identity politics was a very foolish thing for policymakers to have amplified.
 

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2026 15:55 utc | 15

Posted by: Exile | Apr 11 2026 15:53 utc | 14
 
Your cope is the cope of copes. The US would never have done it if they were not absolutely confident they could. 

Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 15:55 utc | 16

NEW: An Irish man broke into Shannon Airport, getting on top of an American C-130 cargo plane and smashing it with a hammer
 
Source:TG

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Apr 11 2026 15:56 utc | 17

@ too scents | Apr 11 2026 15:55 utc | 15
 
yes.. i mentioned something like this in a previous thread… divide and conquer… figure out a way to separate usa and israel…. just how that is done when most of the usa political class are slavishly devoted to israel, remains to be seen..

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2026 15:59 utc | 18

What I hear: Axios says two USA destroyer ships sailed the strait, others say it never happened (and/or was coordinated?)

Posted by: Call it what u will | Apr 11 2026 16:02 utc | 19

the usa political class are slavishly devoted to israel
 
Posted by: james | Apr 11 2026 15:59 utc | 18
 

 
They aren’t devoted to Israel.  They are devoted to money.  Israel is the existence proof than money buy politics.  Tomorrow some other group might be buying.  
 

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2026 16:07 utc | 20

The axe man cometh
https://x.com/SprinterPress/status/2042983367344263359
 

Posted by: Monty | Apr 11 2026 16:08 utc | 21

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2026 15:45 utc | 7
 
the interesting point is that the world has seen through the charade of the protection racket of paying for arms. No one trusts the USA anymore. 

Posted by: Onehunglo | Apr 11 2026 16:08 utc | 22

It does seem likely that the NYT story is administration propaganda. 
 
Re IRI mining the shipping channels, every ship that has passed through the strait since the war started has been showed the path through any minefields. That’s assuming there were extensive mine field at all, and they were all anchored or sea-bed mines. (Anchored mines can break free.) Floating mines of course would remain a hazard. I am not sure that IRI has mined the sea lanes to any great extent at all. My belief is that since Trump has boasted of loading the ships and looking forward to conquest, IRI should mine the shipping channels while it still can. That’s there version of going nuclear. 
 
Our host’s headline strikes me as quite bizarre. The idea that Trump would scapegoat Witkoff and Kushner is remarkable in the bad way. They are his inner circle and it’s hard to see how he could pretend they were anything but him by proxy. 
 
Constitutionally it’s very difficult to get rid of a VP. The days when an Agnew could feel compelled to resign after being exposed in a corruption scandal are long gone.
 
I have an alternative theory? Trump is making a deal with IRI to have them take out Vance and Rubio while they’re in range in Islamabad, forestalling any 25th. I say that Trump knows perfectly well his cabinet is either a loser who sold out once already or a crook who buys politicians. And he no longer trusts Melania to deliver his letter saying he’s fit to serve if his team of crooks (aka his cabinet) 25ths him. 
 
There is a joke in this post.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 11 2026 16:10 utc | 23

The strange thing is:
In my opinion, if the terms of Iran were met in full, it would be a boon to the entire planet including the US, just not for the current population of occupied palestine.
To a certain degree it would blend in marvelously with the long history of Iran, but a stabilising power in the region without the presence of the US armed forces would actually remove the worlds greatest source of instability.

Posted by: Pfeilchen | Apr 11 2026 16:12 utc | 24

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Apr 11 2026 15:35 utc | 2
Jeez, who said decapitation strikes were the low cost option?
 
Paranoid Americans will now be spending a King’s ransom on extra security for their officials for fear of retaliation for all of the martyrs they made (to no good effect).
 
Hear that – it’s the sound of one hand clapping.
 
Great job Orange Golem.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 11 2026 16:13 utc | 25

@Call it what u will | Apr 11 2026 15:46 utc | 10
Was that info about 4 mobile phones published today?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 11 2026 16:15 utc | 26

I’m reading the reality very differently, but will spare any critique of that circumstance while negotiations are under way.

Going more or less as Peter AU stated at one point, so far at least.

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 11 2026 16:15 utc | 27

What Trump meant….
https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/i-will-beat-the-black-off-you

Posted by: Dogon priest | Apr 11 2026 16:17 utc | 28

Note: Destroyers don‘t clear mines

Posted by: Exile | Apr 11 2026 16:18 utc | 29

Note: Destroyers don‘t clear mines
Posted by: Exile | Apr 11 2026 16:18 utc | 29

The US has no minesweepers, they have maladapted LCS to try and do that.

Posted by: ChatNPCt | Apr 11 2026 16:20 utc | 30

The Utah/Islamabad phone info is from Tony Seruga, a self-styled big data freak, who slurps up everything (and AFAICT runs a business off selling “data insights”). His general tone is fairly anti-Iran on his X. I don’t see any reason to doubt the info (such data are effectively public, say others), though his reasons for sharing it are unclear.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Apr 11 2026 16:22 utc | 31

The minefield is kayfabe
 
There are no mines in the Strait of Hormuz. The mines are kayfabe, fiction where everyone plays along. If any party was to challenge the reality of Irans published minefield map by trying to sail through, or by questioning the existence of the mines, it would only force Iran to actually lay the minefield. This would serve no one’s long term interests.
 
All the talk of the illegality of Iran’s actions is BS. Iran has every right to defend itself from US aggression and the US 5th Fleet by mining the Persian Gulf. Military logic would dictate that they actually mine the Strait of Hormuz. The GCC countries complaining at the US Security Council is laughable. None of the countries are neutral, but in one or more ways parties to US Israeli aggression on Iran. They have no right in international law to expect their incoming or outgoing maritime traffic to have free passage anywhere near Iran.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 11 2026 16:23 utc | 32

We are swimming in a sea of purported facts, like the two destroyers transiting Hormuz, which have absolutely no basis that can be confirmed…And these “facts” come from sources which have lied repeatedly over the years about pretty much everything….

Posted by: pyrrhus | Apr 11 2026 16:24 utc | 33

Destroyers don‘t clear mines
 
Posted by: Exile | Apr 11 2026 16:18 utc | 29
 

 
Well frigates do ==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samuel_B._Roberts_(FFG-58)#1988_deployment_and_mine_strike
 

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2026 16:26 utc | 34

@ b who wrote

The war is unlikely to be over. I expect at least one additional round of fire exchanges. But the outcome of those will hardly differ from previous ones.

 
I agree that there will be another round of military exchanges.
I disagree with the last part about the outcome not being different than previous.
 
One side or the other is going to achieve a strategic victory and the world will move forward from there…….as Crooke states more than once its about security for all or security for none and prosperity for all or prosperity for none……that genie is not going back in the bottle, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2026 16:27 utc | 35

Posted by: Exile | Apr 11 2026 16:18 utc | 29
 
Posted by: ChatNPCt | Apr 11 2026 16:20 utc | 30
 
According to Lebanese sources, it was one US destroyer coming from a UAE port trying to go out of the golf under the cover of the ceasefire.
 
Nothing related to mines.
 
Trump is lying, as usual.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 11 2026 16:42 utc | 36

Identity politics was a very foolish thing for policymakers to have amplified.
 
 
Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2026 15:55 utc | 15
Let’s hope they pay through the nose for that political witchcraft.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 11 2026 16:44 utc | 37

Maverick – What you’re missing is that it’s very very hard to defeat the world empire. Russia has been wrestling with the beast for four years; and Iran ain’t Russia. They are constantly on the edge of pushing too hard and getting annihilated as a result … have to calibrate everything carefully: enough pressure to move the dial, not enough to cause disastrous response. They have been masterful so far.
Re b’s Iran having time on its side …yes and no. For now, it’s very true but if pushed too far, countries will adapt and the whole tool will lose its value. The nightmare for Iran and the other Gulf HC producers is the world moving away from their product in a real way. They can’t push them to that, price-wise nor availability-wise. Again, calibrate!

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 11 2026 16:44 utc | 38

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 11 2026 16:42 utc | 37
 
So your trying to tell us that the US had a destroyer hanging out in a UAE port for a month of extreme warfare, and Iran never tried to take it out. I’m not buying what your selling. 

Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 16:46 utc | 39

🇹🇷🇮🇱The Istanbul prosecutor’s office has requested thousands of years for Netanyahu and his accomplicesThe Istanbul prosecutor’s office has sent an indictment to the court in which it is demanding life imprisonment and huge additional sentences – from 1,102 to 4,596 years – for Benjamin Netanyahu and about 35 other high-ranking Israeli officials (including Defense Minister Yisrael Katz, former Defense Minister Yoav Galant, National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir, and others).✨And, perhaps, the Turkish authorities will raise the “flags of revenge” throughout the country and will incessantly declare revenge against the Zionist regime for the 🇵🇸Palestinians. ❗But only after so that it can fill up the tanks and bulldozers to continue the destruction of Gaza.

Posted by: Jo | Apr 11 2026 16:49 utc | 40

post from lord of war

Posted by: Jo | Apr 11 2026 16:49 utc | 41

Maverick | Apr 11 2026 16:46 utc | 43
 
“So your trying to tell us that the US had a destroyer hanging out in a UAE port for a month of extreme warfare, and Iran never tried to take it out. I’m not buying what your selling.”
 
 
Not unless this war is even more fake than it’s already looking with these “negotiations”. Let alone if US warships are now openly transiting the “Iran-controlled” Strait. 

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 11 2026 16:50 utc | 42

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 11 2026 16:44 utc | 41
Russia has been wrestling with the beast for four years
 
Russia has been doing everything they possibly could, not to wrestle with the beast for four years. There I fixed it for you. There is a reason everybody is avoiding the Ukraine War comments like the plague….they’ve finally come to the realization of the truth, perhaps you should too. The Great Performative War will continue endlessly because Putin and his cronies are more interested in making money and maintaining ties with their western partners than they are, actually winning the conflict. 

Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 16:50 utc | 43

Commander of Central Command: Today, we began the process of creating a new corridor in the Strait of Hormuz, and we will soon share this secure route with the maritime industry to encourage the free flow of commerce.
 
US media: Negotiators have reached a deadlock regarding the Strait of Hormuz
 
Financial Times: Iranian negotiators rejected a proposal for joint management of the Strait of Hormuz.
 
latest from ==> https://t.me/s/naya_foriraq
 

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2026 16:52 utc | 44

Let’s, check, are the transiting destroyers entering (hostages) , or leaving (iran’s good will)
 
two very different scenarios
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 11 2026 16:52 utc | 45

@41
Read and meditate on Medevev said about Iran’s nuke, the strait.
 
Empire of debt cannot endure the demand destruction (economy, money and banking) already baked in the current effect of the straights Iran has put the empire into by seizing the strait.

Posted by: paddy | Apr 11 2026 16:53 utc | 46

The negotiations seem to be going well. Americans on an American warship are already testing the amount of restraint the Iranians are willing to show.
 
Trump Claims to be “Clearing the Strait of Hormuz,” Iran Says It Has Driven Away US Ships

Xinhua News Agency, Beijing, April 11 – As the United States and Iran began negotiations in Pakistan, several US ships were reported to have passed through the Strait of Hormuz on April 11. US President Trump stated that the US had “begun clearing the Strait of Hormuz.” Iran, however, stated that it had forced a US destroyer to return from the Strait of Hormuz.

 
Sources are Iranian Foreign Ministry, Iranian media and Trump’s social media posts.
 
Death to America
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2026 16:53 utc | 47

Iran rejects US claims about a warship passing through the Strait of Hormuz, calling them “unrealistic”.
 
https://t.me/presstv/185014

Posted by: Genesis | Apr 11 2026 16:53 utc | 48

the usa political class are slavishly devoted to israel
 
Posted by: james | Apr 11 2026 15:59 utc | 18
 

 
They aren’t devoted to Israel. They are devoted to money. Israel is the existence proof than money buy politics. Tomorrow some other group might be buying.  
 
 
Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2026 16:07 utc | 20
You’re both right.  They get the money and keep their jobs (and perhaps get promoted) based solely on their record of fealty to Israel and Zionist philosophy.  But yes, every official down to the dog catcher in the US sees their future as dependant on their fealty to Israel.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 11 2026 16:54 utc | 49

Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 16:46 utc | 43
 
It’s not me, I share your surprise.
 
It’s from “Al-Manar”, the Hezbollah Media in several languages.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 11 2026 16:54 utc | 50

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 11 2026 16:50 utc | 46
Not unless this war is even more fake than it’s already looking with these “negotiations”.
 
You make an interesting point Dutchman. The information vacuum has been so extreme on this conflict, nearly anything is a possibility. We simply do not have remotely enough information to make any concrete determinations. That alone, I find extremely disturbing. 

Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 16:55 utc | 51

Some of the questions asked are unsettling. A simple reminder:
 
This is a war, and there are two sides.
 
One side called for a ceasefire and negotiations.
 
The other side set its conditions for the ceasefire and other conditions for negotiations.
 
Without prejudging the twists and turns of the process and the outcome of the talks, one thing is clear: who needed the fighting to stop most, and who needs an agreement most?
 
This also tells us who has won and who has admitted defeat, regardless of the level of trolling.
 
So, congratulations to Iran.
 
Israel wants to withdraw and continue the war? Let them do it and confront Hezbollah and Iran.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 11 2026 16:55 utc | 52

@36
 
Have a Mimosa on my tab.
 
Barkeep give her two ice cubes.

Posted by: paddy | Apr 11 2026 16:55 utc | 53

Maverick #47 – Wow, you really seem to think it’s an easy matter to defeat the world empire … why is Russia dilly-dallying? Because Putin wants to make money. Lord!
 
The same thing that makes Iran such a hard nut to crack is also helping Ukraine, which has learned to use WW1 style defense with modern tools. Defense wins, especially is the defense is well-funded and equipped. 
 
Lastly, I know most here with that someone would defeat empire; but neither Iran not Russia nor China want to be the sacrificial lambs to serve that purpose. It is up to us citizens of empire to change the path, not these countries being outspent 10-1 or worse. 
 

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 11 2026 16:58 utc | 54

The Great Performative War will continue endlessly because Putin and his cronies are more interested in making money and maintaining ties with their western partners than they are, actually winning the conflict.
Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 16:50 utc | 47
Tell that to a million dead Ukronazis and their families.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 11 2026 16:59 utc | 55

CENTCOM Commander Adm. Brad Cooper:
 
“Today, we began the process of establishing a new passage and we will share this safe pathway with the maritime industry soon to encourage the free flow of commerce.”
 
Iran forced the ships to withdraw after a 30 minute warning ❗️
 
He adds “Additional U.S. forces, including underwater drones, will join the clearance effort in the coming days.”
 
-+-
 
CNN citing a Pakistani source: US-Iranian talks are expected to continue through the night and may extend into Sunday. The Pakistani Prime Minister and Army Chief are currently in the negotiation room. US media reports that negotiators have reached a deadlock regarding the Strait of Hormuz. The Financial Times reports that Iranian negotiators rejected a proposal for joint administration of the Strait of Hormuz. Iranian television reports that another round of talks is likely to be held tonight or tomorrow.
 
latest from ==> https://t.me/RezistanceTrench
 

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2026 17:00 utc | 56

It is up to us citizens of empire to change the path, not these countries being outspent 10-1 or worse. 
 
 
Posted by: Caliman | Apr 11 2026 16:58 utc | 58
A familiar troll tune.  Vote harder guys!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 11 2026 17:00 utc | 57

@too scents | Apr 11 2026 17:00 utc | 60
 
Brad Cooper, the CENTCOM guye that supposedly is part of the US negotiation team in Islamabad?
 
The disinformation is floating everywhere now, including here in these threads.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2026 17:02 utc | 58

Trump says the US is “loading up the ships” with weapons during ceasefire talks
On Friday, during a phone interview with the New York Post, President Trump said US warships were being reloaded with weapons to be used against Iran in anticipation of a failure of the ceasefire talks taking place in Pakistan. . . “We have a reset going. We’re loading up the ships with the best ammunition, the best weapons ever made—even better than what we did previously, and we blew them apart.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/04/11/hvdg-a11.html
 

Posted by: Keme | Apr 11 2026 17:03 utc | 59

 The US would never have done it if they were not absolutely confident they could. 
Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 15:55 utc | 16
 
Or begged for permission which could only have been obtained during negotiations.
 
Because if they’d tried before that they’d be sitting on the ocean bed by now.
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2026 17:03 utc | 60

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 11 2026 16:58 utc | 58
Wow, you really seem to think it’s an easy matter to defeat the world empire
 
If Russia was actually fighting this war to win, they would have….Turned out the lights for real and permanently, blown the bridges over the Dneiper, blown up Odessa’s port and also the railways that bring in war material from Poland and elsewhere, and gone after command and control. It’s how you win a war. All those generals Putin has ditched could tell you has much if they were allowed. It’s basic war 101. Putin allowed none of these. What he has done is allow Russians to fight and die at the front for years, instead of actually taking care of business. 

Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 17:05 utc | 61

Ahenobarbus | Apr 11 2026 17:00 utc | 61
 
Who said anything about voting, dumbass? You realize there are other ways of forcing change? 

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 11 2026 17:06 utc | 62

The disinformation is floating everywhere now, including here in these threads.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2026 17:02 utc | 62

Hear, hear!
IIRC one of the preconditions for talks was no new deployments of US forces.
If the ‘minesweeper’ escapade is true, expect an Iranian walkout (and missiles to fly).

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 11 2026 17:08 utc | 63

Brad Cooper, the CENTCOM guye that supposedly is part of the US negotiation team in Islamabad?
 
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2026 17:02 utc | 62
 

 
My most recent information is that CENTCOM is in Istanbul but is not presently a party to the negotiations.
 

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2026 17:12 utc | 64

@ChatNPC | Apr 11 2026 17:08 utc | 67

IRAN REJECTS US CLAIM WARSHIP ‘PASSED’ THROUGH HORMUZ
Vessel ‘FULLY MONITORED’ and ‘WARNED’ — Tasnim
‘FORCED TO CHANGE COURSE’

https://t.me/rtnews/145148

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2026 17:12 utc | 65

According to DDGeopolitics, the negotiations have hit a wall.  Iran is insisting on controlling the Strait of Hormuz.  The US is proposing a joint operation.
 
I hope that Iran has sense enough to realize that their only power in the region is their control of the Strait.  That is what has led to the US capitulating.  If operation of the Strait becomes a joint project, they will have lost their most important defense capability, more thoroughly intimidating than their missiles or their uranium.
 
And absolutely nothing would prevent any nation (for example Israel) from being able to bomb and destroy Iran with impunity because the US would hold the Strait open.

Posted by: Belle | Apr 11 2026 17:13 utc | 66

Maverick | Apr 11 2026 17:05 utc | 65
 
It’s getting off-topic, except that the whole thing is about the war against the uni-empire, so perhaps not. But seriously, I urge you to consider that the reason Russia is fighting the USNATO empire as it is may be because that’s all they can do? 
 
Russia is defending a sprawling nation … the largest in the world, with a falling population. THIS IS NOT AN EASY TASK! Perhaps the reason they are not “turning out the lights in Ukraine” as you put it is because they would irrevocably weaken themselves by doing so, leaving gaps to be exploited elsewhere?

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 11 2026 17:14 utc | 67

@too scents | Apr 11 2026 17:12 utc | 68

My most recent information is that CENTCOM is in Istanbul but is not presently a party to the negotiations. 

US-Iran talks in Pagistan: Who is at the table?
 
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/63302
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2026 17:17 utc | 68

Watch this video to see what Iranians have gone through.

Posted by: Sentience | Apr 11 2026 17:23 utc | 69

Posted by: Belle | Apr 11 2026 17:13 utc | 70
 
“American exceptionalism”, they say.
 
Remember: Trump wanted Poutine to give him the ZNPP, the largest in Europe, for his “mediation efforts”.
 
Yes, there is a strategy behind their choice of playing madness.
 
But that doesn’t say there is no real madness from several US actors.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 11 2026 17:24 utc | 70

US-Iran talks in Pagistan: Who is at the table?
 
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2026 17:17 utc | 72
 

 
That reporting is from yesterday.  Kushner and Witkoff were not acceptable for Iran.  There has been no reporting I’ve seen that Cooper is sitting at the table.
 
Last update I’ve seen:

Developments in Islamabad Negotiations:
 
Negotiations in Islamabad have been ongoing for more than four hours. Expert teams from the Iranian and American delegations, who entered the talks earlier in the day, are now engaged in the exchange of written texts following the conclusion of in-person discussions on the initial round of topics.
 
The first round of negotiations for the day has reportedly concluded, with further rounds expected in the coming hours. Sources indicate that additional sessions are likely to take place either later tonight or tomorrow, as discussions continue at the expert level.
 
At present, both sides’ technical teams are actively involved in the exchange of written proposals and responses, marking a clear transition from general discussions to more structured, document-based negotiations.
 
-+-
 
IRIB: Two rounds of talks have been held between Iran and the United States, with a third round expected.
 
The reporter said this may be the “last of efforts” to see whether Pakistan‑mediated talks can bring the two delegations closer. Expert teams are exchanging draft texts.
 
The U.S. is still showing an “ambitious approach” similar to past rounds, and the shadow of mistrust based on past American behaviour remains.
 
both updates from ==> https://t.me/enemywatch

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2026 17:26 utc | 71

“Get off the X”
About one week before the launch of Operation Epic Fury, most American soldiers and airmen stationed in Kuwait were relocated to positions in Jordan and Saudi Arabia and further away from Iranian missile range. Some soldiers said leadership advised them they wouldn’t be gone long — to pack for 30 days and leave behind most personal equipment, including their military-issued computers. The goal: don’t be a target.
 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-war-kuwait-drone-attack-survivors-us-army/
 
This confirmed that the Pentagon planned for a war in Iran as a short war like the last 12 days war because the 30 days packing order from the leadership down to chain of commands.

Posted by: KillerDoll | Apr 11 2026 17:29 utc | 72

how do you get a genocidal country to back down? Posted by: james | Apr 11 2026 15:45 utc | 7
 
Prof. Marandi has an interesting 21 min. vid that kinda answers your question, james.
One Country Quietly Won This Entire War
He made 4 predictions near the end and told us to keep track to see in 6 months if they are correct
and to figure out what happened if they are not. I saved the clip and made a note to look again come October.
I appreciate this man’s integrity, humility and intelligence.
 
P.S. A thank you to Don Firineach for that Iranian Jazz link a day or two ago. Nice.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 11 2026 17:30 utc | 73

Destroyers don‘t clear mines Posted by: Exile | Apr 11 2026 16:18 utc | 29 — Well frigates do ==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samuel_B._Roberts_(FFG-58)#1988_deployment_and_mine_strike 
Posted by: too scents
============too scents wins this thread 💣💥🧨

Posted by: Exile | Apr 11 2026 17:30 utc | 74

@ Ahenobarbus | Apr 11 2026 16:54 utc | 53
 
thanks…i can go along with that!! thank too scents for the various posts as well!
 
@  waynorinorway | Apr 11 2026 17:30 utc | 77
 
thanks! i will check it out… i am still working thru this tucker carlson interview that you and others might find quite fascinating… it is from 18 days ago, but sheds real light on what the thinking is inside israel… 
 
Former Interim President of Israel Avraham Burg Speaks Out on Netanyahu’s Killing Spre

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2026 17:34 utc | 75

🇮🇷⚡️🇺🇸🇮🇱 US destroyer turned back from the Strait of Hormuz after Iran’s firm warning
— Iran’s FM said a potential ceasefire violation was prevented by an immediate diplomatic response and a firm military warning.
— According to Fars News Agency, the case involved a US destroyer moving from Fujairah toward the Strait, which was quickly met by Iran’s armed forces.
— Tehran monitored the ship and relayed the situation to its delegation in Pakistan, which informed the US via a Pakistani mediator. A warning was issued: approach the Strait and it would be targeted.
— Iran also conveyed that if the ship continued, it would be hit within 30 minutes and talks would be affected.
— The combined military and diplomatic response led to orders for the ship to halt.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2026 17:35 utc | 76

🇮🇷🇵🇰🇺🇸 “These are the final attempts.”
IRIB reporter from Islamabad: Two rounds of talks have taken place between Iranian and American delegations. A third round is planned for tonight, the final attempt to see if views can come closer together.
The Americans are still showing their “greedy approach” seen in past rounds, both in front of and behind cameras. The shadow of distrust based on American past performance has cast over the talks.
Text exchanges between expert delegations and specialized committees are ongoing. Critical moments.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/181696

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2026 17:37 utc | 77

Your cope is the cope of copes. The US would never have done it if they were not absolutely confident they could. 
Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 15:55 utc | 16Pot Kettle Black

Posted by: Rhymerez | Apr 11 2026 17:38 utc | 78

You shall not pass!
 

—❗️🇺🇸/🇮🇷 NEW: The U.S. warship passed the Strait of Hormuz from the East, entering the Persian Gulf, and then abruptly turned around following an Iranian warning, leaving the Persian Gulf to the Arabian Sea
 
It’s unclear if the U.S. warship took the normal route (red) or Iran’s newly designated route (yellow), because its transponder was off until it started the return journey.
 
(Map credit: MenchOsint)
 
@Middle_East_Spectator
 
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/30848

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2026 17:39 utc | 79

” A rumor is circulating on pro-Hezbollah forums that Israel tracked the IP addresses of Hezbollah officials during a Zoom meeting, geolocated 100 positions simultaneously, and struck all of them in ten minutes. The IDF has not confirmed the method. No mainstream outlet has verified it. The rumor originates from Tier-4 sources with zero corroboration from Israeli, American, or independent intelligence reporting. ”
 
https://substack.com/@shanakaanslemperera/note/c-240515229

Posted by: Vacuous Cipher | Apr 11 2026 17:41 utc | 80

Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2026 17:35 utc | 80
 
“Iran also conveyed that if the ship continued, it would be hit within 30 minutes and talks would be affected.— The combined military and diplomatic response led to orders for the ship to halt.”
 
 
Shouldn’t they have let it through? Everyone on this thread was already accepting that it went through and were already making up excuses, justifications, fantasies about how it was a good thing etc….
 
 

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 11 2026 17:42 utc | 81

Shouldn’t they have let it through? Everyone on this thread was already accepting that it went through and were already making up excuses, justifications, fantasies about how it was a good thing etc….
 
 
 
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 11 2026 17:42 utc | 85
 
Fog of war, man. 
 
 

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2026 17:44 utc | 82

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 11 2026 17:42 utc | 85
 
I believe we are back to the fog of war…..nobody actually knows what really happened or didn’t. Only time will tell….maybe. 

Posted by: Maverick | Apr 11 2026 17:45 utc | 83

🇮🇷🇺🇸⚡️Prof. Marandi: Trump’s “Unreasonable Demands” Are Blocking Progress as Negotiations Continue

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/63391

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2026 17:46 utc | 84

Central Command:
 
https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4457220/us-forces-start-mine-clearance-mission-in-strait-of-hormuz/

…USS Frank E. Peterson (DDG 121) and USS Michael Murphy (DDG 112) transited the Strait of Hormuz and operated in the Arabian Gulf as part of a broader mission to ensure the strait is fully clear of sea mines previously laid by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps…

This press release suggests that the destroyers transited OUT of the strait. Were they running circles in the Persian gulf all this time?

Posted by: robin | Apr 11 2026 17:48 utc | 85

@ waynorinorway | Apr 11 2026 17:30 utc | 77
 
the video from prof dr marandi – excellent! 21 minutes of very sound reasoning…. i enjoyed reading the closed captions at 2x speed to the very end… so much hinges on china in his analysis…. what is the relationship between china and israel is the first question i have…   i highly recommend this video you’ve shared… it is the best video i have seen to date on this usa-israel war of aggression on iran… thanks! 
 
here it is again for others to watch.. 21 minutes… highly recommend it.. thanks waynorinorway… 
 
One Country Quietly Won This Entire War _ Prof.Dr.Marandi

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2026 17:49 utc | 86

Glenn Diesen:
Max Blumenthal: ‘Israel First’ in Iran War Sparks MAGA Civil War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVmTEA9ViNU
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2026 17:56 utc | 87

Americans wiped out all but 250,000 natives on the  US continent, then moved on to the Philippines, wiping out half the population.  Later they killed 1/3 of North Koreans, before moving on to Indonesia , Vietnam, and Iraq (500,000 dead children is worth it).
Commenters on MoA say “What can you do about a genocidal population?”, meaning Israel.
This is a primo example of projection and displaced guilt.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Apr 11 2026 17:58 utc | 88

Re Minesweeper/ Destroyer turned back from Hormuz.
The US had 3 LCS class ships outfitted for Mine sweeping  in the Persian gulf area before Trump’s War started. 
2 of them The USS Tulsa and USS Santa Barbara,   were moved to Malyasia.
One ( USS Canberra,) is unaccounted for. Most likely still in Persian Gulf area docked in the UAE on the Gulf of Oman side. Possibly docked in Fujairah.
 
The LCS or Littoral Combat Ship. Is better known as “Little Crappy Ship” 
They were a disaster from the start. With Hulls cracking when subjected to stress of Open Sea . Plus many other mechanical issues. 
Iran most likely considered the LCS not to be much of a threat and did not want to waste a missile or drone on it. Because it will eventually fall apart on its own.
 
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2026/03/the-u-s-navy-spent-22-billion-on-the-littoral-combat-ship-and-got-busted-warships-they-cant-use/
 
https://www.twz.com/sea/u-s-navy-minesweepers-assigned-to-middle-east-have-been-moved-to-pacific

Posted by: golddigger | Apr 11 2026 17:58 utc | 89

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 11 2026 17:42 utc | 85
 
Summary: Yanks play jackass with ceasefire they begged for shocker.
 
Assholes.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 11 2026 18:00 utc | 90

Posted by: Vacuous Cipher | Apr 11 2026 17:41 utc | 84
Not how IP geo location works. Not saying the synagogue of satan wouldn’t try it but IP addy to physical location doesn’t exist. Rough determination of even a city with modern western standards via icann. It’s a lie and hasbara.

Posted by: NJH | Apr 11 2026 18:02 utc | 91

In following reports,  it appears one more round tonight,  and most likely Iran gets on a plane and goes home.
 
States:  US being “greedy” again.
 
Not getting anywhere on anything atm.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 11 2026 18:06 utc | 92

@ wagelaborer | Apr 11 2026 17:58 utc | 96
Totally agree.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 11 2026 18:07 utc | 93

 
Trump’s Total 2027 National Security Spending Will Exceed $2.5 Trillion
(excerpt) ……
The true total of US national security spending in 2027 will exceed $2.5 trillion, far beyond the already record-shattering $1.5 trillion military budget President Trump has requested, according to veteran defense analyst Winslow Wheeler.
Wheeler, who spent decades working in Washington for senators and the Government Accountability Office on national security issues, reached the figure by factoring in the Pentagon budget, military-related spending from other US government agencies……
https://news.antiwar.com/2026/04/09/trumps-total-2027-national-security-spending-will-exceed-2-5-trillion/

Posted by: Exile | Apr 11 2026 18:07 utc | 94

Dumbass Trump’s Iran Blunder has put a permanent damper on sales of petroleum fueled civilian vehicles and given the EV Market a big boost.
It won’t surprise me if Xi Jinping asks Dumbass what he’d like for Christmas?
 
China makes 4-rotor flying EVs which sell for circa US $100,000 and carry 3 occupants in a cozy cabin. They can be flown legally in so-called Low Altitude Zones with a maximum altitude of 500 metres.
 
Every EV owner I’ve met in Oz is delighted with it. They don’t require regular servicing and are much cheaper to run than a petrol vehicle.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 11 2026 18:08 utc | 95

I now wonder if China will not become more and more popular in view of the technological eldorado they create. Even among the former detractors.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 11 2026 18:13 utc | 96

I miss Mike Pence. One Vance is not worth half a Pence.
 
Just in the Trump-Biden era alone:
Afghanistan, Ukraine, Israel, VZ, Iran…
 
plus the ongoing “hidden” wars in Somalia, Sudan and maybe elsewhere.
 
Plus the ongoing efforts to starve Cuba, NK, and what? 1/3 of the planet?
 
“Israel” includes Lebanon, Palestine AND all the repression and violence throughout the world conducted in support of Israel, most brutally in places like Egypt and Jordan, but throughout all the Western Axis powers.
 
Plus ICE, plus war on Mexico, plus…
 
I fail to detect any kind of pattern here! For example, I could never predict that the US also spends trillions of dollars to spread nuclear terror around the world. or is militarizing space, cyber and other.

Posted by: duck n cover | Apr 11 2026 18:17 utc | 97

Hello friends,
MoA’s argument is valid, but not compelling. Whilst Russia does relay Iranian propaganda on RT, in practice it does not take any anti-US or anti-Israel measures.Through the Russian-Ukrainian ceasefire agreement, Putin is in fact supporting President Trump.Nor does Turkey have any interest in an Iranian victory.The fact that Pakistan denies Israel’s right to exist forces India to strengthen its pro-Israeli stance. The same applies to Azerbaijan.
Otto Kern
DE-37412 Herzberg-die Esperantostadt
Germany
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Posted by: Otto Kern | Apr 11 2026 18:22 utc | 98

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 11 2026 18:08 utc | 96
thanks. when you talk about a “blunder” that creates a bigger market for more worthless Chinese SHIT that no one needs, I just keep waiting for the nukes to fall. why the hell not? 
 
genocide is a blunder, but here comes more capitalist TRASH.

Posted by: duck n cover | Apr 11 2026 18:25 utc | 99

I am reading/hearing that the US is insisting on joint management of the Strait of Hormuz and on this issue the talks will fail
 
I hope all the Iranians make it home safely.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2026 18:26 utc | 100