War On Iran: – All Signs Point To Escalation

April 20, 2026

On Sunday U.S. President Donald Trump renewed his threat to devastate Iran:

‘We’re offering a very fair and reasonable DEAL, and I hope they take it because, if they don’t, the United States is going to knock out every single Power Plant, and every single Bridge, in Iran,’ Trump wrote.

‘NO MORE MR. NICE GUY! They’ll come down fast, they’ll come down easy and, if they don’t take the DEAL, it will be my Honor to do what has to be done, which should have been done to Iran, by other Presidents, for the last 47 years.

‘IT’S TIME FOR THE IRAN KILLING MACHINE TO END!’

The deal Trump is offering is, of course, neither reasonable nor fair.

Masoud Pezeshkian @drpezeshkian – 15:34 utc · Apr 20, 2026

Honoring commitments is the basis of meaningful dialogue. Deep historical mistrust in Iran toward U.S. gov conduct remains, while unconstructive & contradictory signals from American officials carry a bitter message; they seek Iran’s surrender. Iranians do not submit to force.

To surrender is something Iran can not and will not do.

Larry Johnson, Alastair Crooke, Gideon Rachman of the FT and others find it likely that war will further escalate. Michael Tracey points out that Trump has not and is not bluffing. He will order to bomb all power plants and bridges.

The current ceasefire, which the U.S. has already broken with its blockade of Iran and by last night’s high-jacking of an Iranian container ship, will run out Tuesday evening. Negotiations between the U.S. and Iran in Islamabad, if they happen at all, will likely not start before Wednesday.

U.S. and Israeli bombing of Iran might well restart before they happen. Trump may wait though until the markets have closed on Friday.

If it happens it will be absolutely massive – as will Iran’s retaliation.

Posted by b on April 20, 2026 at 17:39 UTC | Permalink

Comments

this was a foregone conclusion.. war mongers can’t be stopped….. i wish they could be.. thanks b..

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 17:41 utc | 1

They (US/Israel) are going to massacre those poor people. Just like they did in Gaza, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc…. It’s all a game to them.

Posted by: bored | Apr 20 2026 17:44 utc | 2

Let’s hope that, in the event it does kick-off, that Iran has the missiles etc to properly damage USA assets. Still hope this may be avoided but agree it looks unlikely. Good luck everyone!

Posted by: Vragtes | Apr 20 2026 17:45 utc | 3

Johnson claimed that Trump wanted activation of the nuclear codes on Saturday, and Caine (Joint Chief of Staffs) restrained him. No idea, if ex-CIA guy is spinning this for his own purpose.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Apr 20 2026 17:45 utc | 4

it would be nice if the jackass in command wasn’t quote… everything he says is exactly the opposite generally… here i fixed the last llne for the bozo –

‘IT’S TIME FOR THE USA-ISRAHELL KILLING MACHINE TO END!’

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 17:47 utc | 5

Posted by: Call it what u will | Apr 20 2026 17:45 utc |
Lets Hope some Sane Leftovers in the US Hierarchy know that Nukes are the End of them too….

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 20 2026 17:47 utc | 6

I guess the Attack comes today. It allways comes before a Ceasefire runs official Out. Vile Losers are Sucker Punch Addicts…

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 20 2026 17:50 utc | 7

Trump gives military tactical orders!

That is not the job of a commander in chief. Trump is obviously not up to stating national objectives, other than those handed him by AIPAC, and NEOCONs.
Worse Trump’s tactical orders are war crimes and terrorism

Trump war is no better than Hitler war….

Posted by: paddy | Apr 20 2026 17:51 utc | 8

Accidentally watched some Fox News yesterday. Fox news tried to convince the audience that Iran is desperate for a deal and just a little more pressure and Iran will break.

The delusional 30% US population will eat that up and escalation will continue as the USA resupplied and position the troops for another round.

Posted by: KillerDoll | Apr 20 2026 17:52 utc | 9

Accidentally watched some Fox News yesterday.

Posted by: KillerDoll | Apr 20 2026 17:52 utc | 9

My condolences. I burst out in hysterical laughter reading your post. This is all so insane.

Posted by: Woke American | Apr 20 2026 17:58 utc | 10

US has only one and same fair deal for everyone,inncluding Russia and China, and that’s unconditional surrender.

It’s a very easy and fair deal.

Posted by: Surferket | Apr 20 2026 17:59 utc | 11

My guess is that Iran will launch a pre-emptive attack. They already successfully psyched everyone out by accepting a ceasefire. They used the 2 weeks as a diplomatic masterclass. And have now fully exposed that the Americans and Israelis are nothing more than the most despicable of liars. So when they get hit with missiles out of nowhere they can cry all they want about Iran “breaking the ceasefire” but it will be meaningless, the USA is naked in front of the world and there is nothing they can do about it.

Posted by: Prezident Snake | Apr 20 2026 18:07 utc | 12

IRGC might well want a confrontation as much as anyone.
It’s a sentiment (fairly popular, though likely not a majority) even generally among the people, but certainly within IRGC, that this time around things should be settled one way or another, no more endless cycle akin to lawn mowing.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Apr 20 2026 18:08 utc | 13

So long as Trump is sending troops to the theater, then the plan is to resume the war. Any talk of how the US is defeated or Trump is looking for an off ramp are just apologetics, even the ones that shout TACO! TACO! TACO! TOFU!

There is in fact one good reason to think there are elites in IRI who want to surrender, namely, the fact there is a cease fire with the US at all. Even the use of the IRI’s genuine nuke, control of the straits, was compromised. Even though the compromise was quickly withdrawn in the face of Trump’s blockade contesting IRI’s control of Hormuz, the mere fact that it was made is also prima facie evidence of a flinch. (No, it is not definitive proof!) If anybody in IRI thought these concessions were useful in negotiating with Trump, I have no idea how they could fool themselves. They certainly weren’t of any value to convince anybody else of IRI’s good faith. Everyone who cares to know, already knows Trump is the bad faith actor.

Again, my counsel is that since escalation appears to be inevitable, mandatory to use their real nuke, the strait, by mining it while they still can. Yes that will wound some of IRI’s own bourgeois oil magnates. But the government’s crisis is existential. And in this case the government and the mass of the people are indistinguishable by their American would-be masters.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 20 2026 18:11 utc | 14

I got a bet to place – all these fools been taking advantage of the markets are about to suffer some serious losses – like literally some hedge funds are going to lose it all and then after that some derivatives get triggered – and then it will be like Warren Buffet warned against – “derivative instruments of death” – and then Israel gets wiped out literally…and the us of a not far behind in fiscal dismay – and really bitcoin is no defense of this when all good faith and trust in fiat is and has been lost – some things are evident – and the evidence is on the wall no doubt – so really……get a clue.
Big changes on the way no doubt – 21st century changes – in your face and for the better!

Posted by: Ken Hausle | Apr 20 2026 18:13 utc | 15

>Michael Tracey points out that Trump has not and is not bluffing. He will order to bomb all power plants and bridges.

What happened to TACO TACO TACO? You’re finally starting to get it now. The cope clouds are clearing the room, and reality is setting in.

You have to like USrael, but never bet against USrael.

Posted by: catdog | Apr 20 2026 18:14 utc | 16

*don’t have to like USrael, rather.

Posted by: catdog | Apr 20 2026 18:16 utc | 17

PS As to the relatively trivial point of when Trump will attack? There is in principle a chance Trump will not resume stand-off missile attacks (strategic air war) at the expiration of the so-called ceasefire. One, it still takes time to move in military assets and build logistical reserves, even for a half-cocked ill-planned assault. IRI’s ceasefire gives Trump that time. Second, if Trump calls the IRI’s bid and waits for them to resume strategic air war—which is not working as hoped and in my opinion can’t—the decision will induce a political issue with the so-called pragmatists rotting in the higher reaches of IRI’s society and government.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 20 2026 18:16 utc | 18

Given Outlaw US Empire moves aimed at China, what’s coming could constitute a reversal of what was attained during WW2–Victory at Sea–with a massive, decisive Defeat at Sea by the Chinese Navy that could possibly expand and involve Russia’s navy. Sea Lines of Communication (SLOC) are being discussed more as the points where conflict will erupt or have already. As many have discussed, geographic reality makes Iran the controlling state over Hormuz and Ansarallah over the Bar al Mandeb. The Strait of Malacca could be controlled by two BRICS nations–Malaysia and Indonesia–if they were to properly arm themselves to perform that task. Passage via the Suez Canal can be denied by many nations. The Baltic Sea is a very confined body of water whose passage can be denied by many nations, while Russia has shown it will use its navy and aerospace forces to allow passage of its ships. Control of all SLOC has always been the primary aim of Maritime Powers. One of China’s Belt & Road aims is to negate that control, but its system isn’t yet complete and thus it remains dependent on SLOC, which is why it’s built the navy it now has.

The only way Iran can be ousted as the controller of Hormuz is for Iran to be invaded and conquered–nukes can’t do it, nor can airpower. IMO, that would require an Army of at minimum 10 million combat soldiers since Iran can totally mobilize close to 50 million. What Crooke said to Judge Nap today about the radicalization of Iranian youth is very important as it signals no internal disruption within Iran that can be exploited by its enemies. IMO, Iranians have the potential to get angered enough to march to Palestine and crush the Zionists once and for all which would also eliminate the Empire’s major base within West Asia, while also dealing with Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. It’s even conceivable for Iran to ally with the Turks in that effort. In other words, depending on what Trump and the Epstein Class decide to do, the war could greatly expand.

One lingering unknown is how much damage does Iran plan to do to regional hydrocarbon assets relative to damaging the global economy. Several serious economists have noted what will occur with the removal of 20% of the energy and other resources available for fueling the global economy and how long it would take for it to recover once hostilities end. Their predictions show a calamity far worse than the Great Depression that will not be solved by war since it’s being caused by war. IMO, Iranians are aware of the destructive power they have their disposal and will certainly employ it if Iran gets nuked.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2026 18:19 utc | 19

This cannot end unless Congress intervenes…………..and they are too cowardly to do so. Republicans understand that this is political suicide but lack courage to stop it.

Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 20 2026 18:20 utc | 20

Again, my counsel is that since escalation appears to be inevitable, mandatory to use their real nuke, the strait, by mining it while they still can.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 20 2026 18:11 utc | 14

What would actually mining the strait accomplish that the current strategy of ambiguously mining the strait doesn’t? This is a case where the threat of a thing is worse than the thing itself- same as Trump’s threats to bomb the power plants. Once the damage is done, it’s done it’s baked in, and can’t be used for leverage anymore.

Posted by: catdog | Apr 20 2026 18:20 utc | 21

Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 20 2026 18:16 utc | 18
That is difficult to read – bottom line is if there is no ceasefire then let the missile flow upon Israel no doubt – they are defenseless. They have no defense – ideologically and otherwise – they are defenseless – and the Law of the Jungle suggest they are easy meat now – and they shall reap what they have sown. Duh!

Posted by: Ken Hausle | Apr 20 2026 18:20 utc | 22

b’If it happens it will be absolutely massive’The shock’n awe theatre is technically is non-existent.

We are still censored of the destruction of Israel, American bases, and casualties. We have alot of bombs dropping on Tehran (prior notice given so footage can be timely captured and uploaded – PR campaign)

More American bombs will only insure a complete destructive and decisive response from Iran. Fortunately, the entire world is desiring this, the Americans and the Israeli’s are one in the same. Blaming one over the other, no longer works.

The rigging of oil market’s – scandal (insider trading) should also be a catalyst to bring Trumpy tard down.

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Apr 20 2026 18:21 utc | 23

If it happens it will be absolutely massive

Posted by b on April 20, 2026 at 17:39 UTC | Permalink

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Any strike by the USA will quickly fade. They’ve exhausted their capacity to sustain a high intensity attack.

The damage to this year’s harvest is already done. Now the ability to respond and to repair the existing impacts will be destroyed.

It is quite irrational. One would think responsible leadership would pull together to address the impending disaster.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 20 2026 18:23 utc | 24

does Netanyahu really want to restart Bomb Bomb Tel Aviv ?

Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2026 18:31 utc | 25

Looks the sentiment that “Nothing ever happens” is again on hold. An indefinite stasis of heightened anxiety where the line between happening and non-happening blurs and is best called an unhappening.

Here’s the thing: an unhappening truly is a happening, because the prior reality of preventing a happening through the theater of non-happening is no longer available.

Spirit is banging on Trump’s bathroom door.

“Hey in there, shit or get off the pot.”

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 20 2026 18:38 utc | 26

The Bush CSG is not yet in the place. I suppose the US will wait until it reaches the spot.

Posted by: scc | Apr 20 2026 18:41 utc | 27

China or Russia wont do anything.

Posted by: Simon | Apr 20 2026 18:25 utc | 25

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Their correct response is to prepare disaster relief to address the collateral damage. Tens, if not hundreds, of millions are going to be pushed into food insecurity from the downstream effects of this War.

https://www.fao.org/in-focus/middle-east-conflict-2026/en

More proximately, remember that the whole of the Arabian Peninsula depends upon desalination for its daily water needs.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 20 2026 18:43 utc | 28

Let’s help the poet. He is making us better citizens, we owe it to him.

Posted by: Biochar | Apr 20 2026 18:46 utc | 29

I hope we get our butt kicked good. My country deserves to suffer. Especially the Ruling Class and the Evil Rich. I say this as a 67 yo man who lives in the US and has never supported our military, our government or a single conflict we have fought in. Sick of this crap.

Posted by: SO | Apr 20 2026 18:51 utc | 30

NEW: Israel has decided not to prosecute the IDF soldier that desecrated a statue of Jesus Christ in Lebanon, instead issuing only a warning – Kann

Well, I think we can confidently confirm that is a ‘fake’ depiction of ‘white pink’ Jesus, it is historically incorrect. Where are the bro’s and sis’s from Africa?

Also the IOF is technically cheating by using ‘performance enhancing demo-gloves’ to hold the sledge hammer, which further re-inforces the “pussy” factor.

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Apr 20 2026 18:53 utc | 31

Posted by: SO | Apr 20 2026 18:51 utc | 31
Well – hells-bells – you ain’t alone – most of “us” came here to escape tyranny for Christ’s sake- and it is now evident – time for this place to split up I reckon – it is in conflict with founding principles and this is evident and let there be no doubt – time to separate away from federal authority misplaced – and Iran is correct along with others in support to resists the bullies who evidently are in the wrong and truly have lost their minds – so detached they are from the Founder’s ideologies – and this is truly evident for all to witness. So no doubt – time for better ideas to manifest.

Posted by: Ken Hausle | Apr 20 2026 18:56 utc | 32

Iran is nearly 3 Times bigger than Ukraine and littered with Mountains! The Idea that the USA bombs them to Rubble is beyond laughable!!! Get a Grip…🙄🤦🏾‍♀️

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 20 2026 18:57 utc | 33

If the military keep him out of the Situation room for OPSEC. We will be like the school kids watching the trouble maker sitting outside Principal office while the adults are talking.

We need the leaky Trump to be in the Situation room this time. He will constantly rage-tweeting the updates of the current event to feel like he is involved as if he deserves a medal of honor for sitting there.

Posted by: KillerDoll | Apr 20 2026 18:59 utc | 34

You will be destroyed, evil pussies.
Enough of you- it is time, out you go from west asia, enough of your genocides. pichke…
Here, there are no zios travelling in my naighboorhood, south Europe, very few americans as well.

Posted by: stranger | Apr 20 2026 19:01 utc | 35

Posted by: KillerDoll | Apr 20 2026 18:59 utc | 35

Good Chance someone shoots Him out of Rage…🫵🙏

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 20 2026 19:01 utc | 36

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Apr 20 2026 18:53 utc | 32

The IDF investigated themselves and founf nothing wrong as the Soldier smashing the Jesus statue is a Jewish tradition since the time of Judas. 😉

Posted by: KillerDoll | Apr 20 2026 19:02 utc | 37

Posted by: stranger | Apr 20 2026 19:01 utc | 36
That is the mindset I support – Go local – and let local matter matter the most.

Posted by: Ken Hausle | Apr 20 2026 19:02 utc | 38

anyone want to decipher the abbreviation IRI in @ steven t johnson | Apr 20 2026 18:11 utc | 14 post??

not sure why people use abbreviations without a reference to what they actually mean… i am sure it is considered obvious so unnecessary, but they are wrong…

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 19:07 utc | 39

Tariff refunds begin on Monday. These retailers are due big paydays

insolvency crisis on deck

Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2026 19:07 utc | 40

USA is going to desstroy Iran. China or Russia wont do anything.
Posted by: Simon

Iran will activate the sleeper cells in the United States. There will be a rude awakening for the Zio Nazis.

Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 20 2026 19:08 utc | 41

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https://t.me/TheIslanderNews/74411

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 20 2026 19:10 utc | 42

Stranger,

pazi drugovi – keep your cadre low and follow those security protocals taught back in People‘s Defense classes.

you are doing real liberation..

SFSN

Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2026 19:10 utc | 43

IRI = Islamic Republic of Iran

Posted by: Konami | Apr 20 2026 19:11 utc | 44

Iran is nearly 3 Times bigger than Ukraine and littered with Mountains! The Idea that the USA bombs them to Rubble is beyond laughable!!! Get a Grip…
Posted by: Nobody | Apr 20 2026 18:57 utc | 34

AI:
Key details regarding bridges in Iran:

Total Structures: Approximately 300,000 bridges and technical structures.
Railway Bridges: Over 4,100 bridges are situated along the national railway network.
Major Structures: Around 185 bridges exceed 100 meters in length, while 42 have a main span of more than 50 meters.

Roughly 400 Power stations
List of power stations in Iran – Wikipedia

“Hey in there, shit or get off the pot.”
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 20 2026 18:38 utc | 27

If he shits, his entire internal organs (US Military) will go down the toilet. Still calling (praying) this TACO Tuesday.

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 20 2026 19:11 utc | 45

Posted by: too scents | Apr 20 2026 18:43 utc | 29
“famine is our business,” Damien: Omen 2.

hasn’t the West created this global nexus between food, money and energy precisely so that it can create famine at its whim?

yes. oh and Death To America, Israel and NATO.

Posted by: duck n cover | Apr 20 2026 19:11 utc | 46

@ Nobody | Apr 20 2026 19:10 utc | 43

it is interesting he is saying this… when did he say it?? this came up on the other iran thread earlier today via norwegian and konami conversation…

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 19:12 utc | 47

@ Konami | Apr 20 2026 19:11 utc | 45

thanks… you are better at intuiting these abbreviations then me..

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 19:13 utc | 48

Damn straight pirating a ship is a violation of the ceasefire, but I first saw it reported as “Iran escalates by droning US ship after illegal Iranian ship is seized”.

That is Too Stupid To Believe, but remember that there are millions of people who blame Iran for closing the Strait of Hormuz AFTER the US/Israel bombed them.
They simply have no concept of cause and effect, or consequences of actions, or FAFO (they are fond of using that for IRAN!).

So Iran can respond to the attack on their ship, and the US is able to spin it through the Mighty Wurlitzer of propaganda as an unprovoked attack.
Same as they’ve done with Russia and Ukraine.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Apr 20 2026 19:13 utc | 49

indi.ca is back in the room:

We Live Under An Evil AI Empire (Already)

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 20 2026 19:20 utc | 50

Posted by: wagelaborer | Apr 20 2026 19:13 utc | 50
At the end of the day when “truth” gets revealed even the most propagandized will turn against those pushing false narrative – so take solace in that I reckon

Posted by: Ken Hausle | Apr 20 2026 19:20 utc | 51

I read that thirty some million Iranians volunteered for military service. I’m bettin’ that the numbers in the u.s.a. are trending opposite.
Hows them rations on them u.s.a. boats???

Posted by: $outhpaw | Apr 20 2026 19:21 utc | 52

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 19:12 utc | 48

Just New on Telegram. Must have said it Today/Yesterday..

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 20 2026 19:23 utc | 53

Going off the Robert Barnes interview someone posted here, Vance being back on the negotiating team is good news. For those who don’t know, Barnes is a big pro-civil right/anti-war lawyer who is a mix of libertarian and populist right. He’s also big into MAHA and food freedom. I agree with him on many issues. He is in tight with the remaining populist right members of the Trump team, and can call up Tulsi, JFK jr., and Vance anytime. I watched the interview. According to Barnes, everyone knows that Trump is losing it (mumble speak, loss of social filters, rages, and coming up, the most dangerous: paranoi). Vance is negotiating with Iran and trying to come up with a peace deal that Trump can claim credit for. Originally he was excluded, and it was going to be Witkoff. The fact that he is now back on the team is a good sign. I’m not going to try to predict the outcome, but only hope we get a peace deal. The alternative is mass starvation and world-wide depression. We are already missing the fertilizer window and 2025 harvest runs out in the fall. We have already lost 450 million barrels of oil production, more than the US SPR can make up for. We actually have some hope with crude as China has a huge stockpile and can use that, freeing up barrels for other countries, but that assumes we get a peace deal within weeks, not months. Grim times. Dated Brent at $130, and prompt barrels selling for $150 in Europe.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 20 2026 19:24 utc | 54

@ Nobody | Apr 20 2026 19:23 utc | 54

thanks.. apparently he had invited netanyahu for a state visit upon his election win… that is odd..

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 19:27 utc | 55

Hey Moreover you must know since you use the term – the Wurlitzer was a hell of a mean ass German artillery wiped out infantry is well placed and such – but know this if said artillary was approached close up, then end of the day for Wurlitzer ambitions and such –

Mighty Wurlitzer of propaganda

Scary no doubt the Wurlitzer is from a distance – but get up close to it – and then literally wipe it out.

Posted by: Ken Hausle | Apr 20 2026 19:27 utc | 56

Rumor that Trump wanted to use Nuke on Iran as a deterrent and Joint chief of staff Air Force Gen. Dan Caine stood up and firmly yelled at Trump “No” and invoked US Uniform code of Justice. Gen Dan Caine walked out that meeting with his head down.

Posted by: KillerDoll | Apr 20 2026 19:27 utc | 57

IF Trump attacks Iran again, I hope we don’t get IACO. Iran needs to hit the Israel power plants. Then Hezbollah and Iraq militia can invade, and the Palestinians can rise up and exact revenge.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 20 2026 19:29 utc | 58

Posted by: JackG | Apr 20 2026 19:24 utc | 55

On the Positive Side, 30% of Western Food Production is wasted…This may cure that Problem and jolts some Food Respect into the Sheeple!!

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 20 2026 19:30 utc | 59

Posted by: JackG | Apr 20 2026 19:29 utc | 59
Not to mention all the martyrs from Jordan, Syria, and Egypt ready to join the fray – not to mention the many from Saudi Arabia ready as well. Along with Iraq, Oman, and Iran no doubt.

Posted by: Ken Hausle | Apr 20 2026 19:32 utc | 60

Damn straight pirating a ship is a violation of the ceasefire, but I first saw it reported as “Iran escalates by droning US ship after illegal Iranian ship is seized”.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Apr 20 2026 19:13 utc | 50

I have been checking the US MSM more regularly than I would advise others to do. Each and every event is written in a way that propagandizes it. The MSM cares that it sounds good, not that it accurately reflects reality. US citizens believe the propaganda.

Posted by: Woke American | Apr 20 2026 19:32 utc | 61

🇺🇸🇮🇶⚡️- BREAKING: The United States has suspended all funding and security coordination with the Iraqi government and has halted dollar shipments to Iraq’s central banking system.

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/61454

This is good news.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2026 19:34 utc | 62

This time I would send some lower officials to the negotiations because the US now knows who and how they travelled.
Second I would not give the US the benefit of waiting until the market closes. If it’s Wednesday again the same dead end you strike first. Send dozens BM’s with submunition to airfield. Hypersonics on place where US troops are hiding. You strike fast and hard.
Not building the bomb in the meanwhile is a mistake.
I don’t know the relationship with China but I want to kick them in the nuts until their eyes squeeze. Iran has no real air defense against the US/Israel. China has enough production to send AD. Even when you trade one launcher for one 100 plus million airplane it’s a good deal. The problem is that Iran didn’t really hurt the US. Aircraft and ships remain safe, casualties low. Public support would fade when body bags come home. I would guess the next air campaign will be 5 days straight. Under that cover they can even do a land invasion, occupy islands, do small mission. Without AD it’s going to be difficult.

Posted by: Isidoor | Apr 20 2026 19:35 utc | 63

Secretary of the Army George Driscoll is another patriot who is reportedly trying to prevent WW3 or at least World Wide Economic Depression. Driscoll was the negotiator who was making great progress in talks with Russia, and he got good press in Russia. The zio-Ukraine government got him pulled from negotiations. Driscoll is reportedly working with Vance to get an Iranian peace deal. The Joint Chief General Cain is somewhat a good guy, announcing before the war that the Iran war was a loser. There’s a bit of hope.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 20 2026 19:38 utc | 64

On the Positive Side, 30% of Western Food Production is wasted…This may cure that Problem and jolts some Food Respect into the Sheeple!!
Posted by: Nobody | Apr 20 2026 19:30 utc | 60
Point taken, and comedy noted. It is going to be a major catastrophe for Africa, and other regions. In dark times all you got left is comedy, unfortunately.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 20 2026 19:40 utc | 65

“I don’t know the relationship with China but I want to kick them in the nuts until their eyes squeeze.”

They want no war. They don’t realize that they’re dealing with rabid dogs.

Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 20 2026 19:41 utc | 66

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2026 19:34 utc | 63

This gives the Iraqi parliament the perfect excuse to repeal the Oil Laws.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 20 2026 19:43 utc | 67

Today from the NY Times:
Tehran and Washington Plan New Talks in Pakistan.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/04/20/world/iran-us-war-trump-hormuz

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Apr 20 2026 19:50 utc | 68

@ ChatNPC | Apr 20 2026 19:20 utc | 51

i enjoyed this link.. and i happened to notice an interesting posters name in the comment section too.. thanks.

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 19:53 utc | 69

Might want to consider revising the opening statement of this thread
Today from the NY Times:Tehran and Washington Plan New Talks in Pakistan.https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/04/20/world/iran-us-war-trump-hormuz
Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Apr 20 2026 19:50 utc | 69

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Apr 20 2026 19:53 utc | 70

bing: Percentage of U.S. Food That Is Wasted
“In the United States, about 30–40% of the food supply is lost or wasted at some point between production and consumption”
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like the wreckage of the war machine and the health of the gen pop, the reported waste is both staggering and much worse than reported.

there is so much food in the US the ruling class MUST 1) lock up all the trash cans 2) turn food into McDonald’s 3) create a giant prison system and ideological control system whereby no one questions a system wherein hundreds of millions of people just in the US alone are stuffing their mouths with what isn’t food. the nihilism of the West is bottomless.

Posted by: duck n cover | Apr 20 2026 19:59 utc | 71

🇺🇸🇮🇶⚡️- BREAKING: The United States has suspended all funding and security coordination with the Iraqi government and has halted dollar shipments to Iraq’s central banking system.

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/61454

This is good news.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2026 19:34 utc | 63
Always a pleasure to see your contributions, Norwegian. Honestly, it feels like the whole bar is just a bunch of fake accounts lately.
Iraq’s liberation from Zio Imperialism is indeed an excellent omen for the resumption of hostilities
Israel must be destroyed US Imperialism must be toppled by a social revolution!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2026 20:04 utc | 72

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 19:53 utc | 70
The bubble floats on…

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 20 2026 20:09 utc | 73

@ ChatNPC | Apr 20 2026 20:09 utc | 74

here is a link for you and others.. on topic –

Step into My Parlor

William Schryver

Apr 20, 2026

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 20:11 utc | 74

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2026 20:04 utc | 73
How do we know you’re not fake?

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 20 2026 20:11 utc | 75

Without AD it’s going to be difficult.
Posted by: Isidoor | Apr 20 2026 19:35 utc | 64

The same is true for local proxies and Israel. Worse actually. For each hit in Iran, Trumpy is creating a few hits in them. I think Iran really hopes he attacks again, even more after his post today that he is better than ww1 and ww2 and all history of wars ever.

Posted by: rk | Apr 20 2026 20:16 utc | 76

Posted by: Ken Hausle | Apr 20 2026 18:56 utc | 33
it is out of line with the marketing and propaganda of the founding principles of America but completely in line with the principles of the founding of America.

Posted by: Badjoke | Apr 20 2026 20:17 utc | 77

@Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2026 20:04 utc | 73

One shouldn’t jump to conclusions of win, this is simply done to put Iraqis in order. Only time will tell if they have permanently removed the masters shackles that holds them imprisoned.

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Apr 20 2026 20:17 utc | 78

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma

“After Trump’s anger:

The coordination framework in Iraq backs down from nominating Nouri al-Maliki for prime minister”

Journalist Youssef Fares

“Wall Street Journal: Iran informed mediators that it will send a team to Islamabad on Tuesday to negotiate”

Trump tweet

https://t.me/youseffares19/115443

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 20 2026 20:21 utc | 79

Surprisingly, I am NOT as pessimistic as B. It seems to me that Trump is being overly blustering because he is panicking. Iran is not showing weakness as Trump expected. Iran is calling Trump’s bluff. Based on evidence of quasi-insubordination at the Pentagon and statements by retired generals, Trump knows there is a chance the Air Force will refuse to bomb Iran into the Stone Age…
HENCE, Trump is frenetically looking for ANY WAY OUT of the U.S. military rejecting his orders as unlawful. In addition, Trump knows that destroying Iran will bring about the destruction of the Gulf energy and desalination infrastructure. THAT would be the most catastrophic self-inflicted event in history. AND the U.S. would be responsible. Instead of being remembered as a transformative president, Trump would rank above Mao, Lenin and Genghis Khan as destructor of civilization and mass killer.

Posted by: Liberator | Apr 20 2026 20:21 utc | 80

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2026 20:22 utc | 81

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2026 20:04 utc | 73
How do we know you’re not fake?

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 20 2026 20:11 utc | 76
Why’d you react so quickly, trigger? Little defensive there…

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2026 20:23 utc | 82

I see a major problem with recent analysis of the war and that’s the omission of the Zionists and a reduction to just Iran vs Empire now with the addition of China. The entire rationale for the Empire is based on Zionist lies about Iranian uranium enrichment with the aim of nuclear bomb production, the BigLie being manufactured to enable the Clean Break project of establishing Greater Zionistland that was made in 1996. The fact that Zionist bombardment and other violence aimed at Lebanon and Lebanese was the actual reason why the truce in reality never occurred and is now being swept aside by Trump’s blockade as the reason for no talks happening I find very troubling. The other BigLie that the Empire had to join the attack because it would be retaliated against as opposed to the Truth that there are two joint aggressors who coordinated their actions is also being swept under the rug. Zionist crimes are just as many if not more than those committed by Trump and his Gang within the whole war theatre. And the scope of the war theatre is another fact being obfuscated as it includes all of Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Iran, and all GCC states. The Zionists and its Outlaw US Empire partner are waging war on all of those entities. And the Empire has expanded it to include China and the entire world doing business with Iran. Indeed, Zionist violence has abetted the Empire’s unwillingness to abide the Truce and properly negotiate, which is why those talks have ended. Yes, the attack on the Iranian ship provided an exclamation point, but IMO the talks weren’t going to happen anyway.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2026 20:24 utc | 83

B, once again, we need our old friend Love Donbass back. I don’t have the time to fuck around with all these socks.
Karl, Norwegian. Thanks and praises to you, brothers. Stay gold.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2026 20:25 utc | 84

“[Magyar] also announced he would reverse Orbán’s June 2025 decision to leave the ICC, which Orbán made after the court issued the warrant for Netanyahu.

Parties to the Rome Statute, the treaty that forms the basis for the ICC, are legally obliged to arrest Netanyahu if he enters their territory due to the active arrest warrant.

Magyar extended the invite to Netanyahu during a “warm introductory call” on Wednesday, Israel’s ambassador to Hungary said on X. Netanyahu is now set to attend an October ceremony celebrating 70 years since the Hungarian Uprising.

On Monday, Magyar said Hungary “cannot stop” the process started by Orbán of leaving the ICC, but that he would rejoin once the country has left.

Magyar will take office next month, and the process of withdrawal from the ICC will be complete in June. Rejoining the ICC requires a waiting period of 60 days, after which a state becomes a party to the statute on the first day of the following month.

This means that, in theory, Hungary could once again be a party to the Rome Statute in October and in clear violation of its obligations if it fails to arrest Netanyahu during his visit.” Novaramedia

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 20 2026 20:27 utc | 85

Liberator | Apr 20 2026 20:21 utc | 81—

Greatest destroyers of Humanity are Hitler and Japan’s WW2 government. Interesting you omitted them.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2026 20:29 utc | 86

Larry Johnson says Trump attempted to use nukes against Iran.

https://x.com/IslanderWORLD/status/2046252290613415974

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2026 20:36 utc | 87

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2026 20:25 utc | 85
It’s not a prison, if you don’t like it what are your reasons for sticking around?
(Rhetorical question).

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 20 2026 20:36 utc | 88

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2026 20:11 utc | 75
I notice it is a repost from X dated March 03, so the numbers quoted must be severely depleted.
Can the US even consider a resumption, if so it can’t possibly go for another 40 days…
When war broke out I predicted it would not last beyond June (apropos of vibes 🙂 ), looks like a good bet now.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 20 2026 20:39 utc | 89

Iran is make of break for the American empire.
During the main part of the war on Russia, a couple of times Putin had to publicly warn against nukes. On both those occasions, Johnson and Macgregor both said the was a lot of talk on the beltway about using nukes on the battlefield to defeat Russia in Ukraine. They believed Russia would capitulate rather than respond.
Even in Rand Corp’s naval siege on China, the Americans believed China would capitulate before going nuclear.

Against Iran which is not nuclear armed, the chances of the Americans going nuclear to prevent defeat and collapse of empire is high. Trump’s threat of ending the civilisation was clearly a nuclear threat.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2026 20:42 utc | 90

@19. Karlof1

Victory at Sea….. YouTube carries episodes of the early TV series on U.S. in WW II.

US needs a few hundred Liberty Ships, much larger than the WW II ships, to set the sea lines to Turkey and a port they build in Pakistan. Then 40000 10 ton trucks or build thousands of mile rail and deliver 10000 locomotives.

Your 10 million might be light given all the theater logistics and long lines of communications.

US does not have the industry of 1990, much less that of 1942.

Musk is no Henry Kaiser, there are no factories to convert, and Kaiser progeny do insurance.

Imagine drafting training and equipping 10 million USians. Will Iran! China and Russia spend their times.

Posted by: paddy | Apr 20 2026 20:46 utc | 91

@91

Nukes over Taiwan….

I would war game what DPRK might do if U.S. tactical nuked a PRC target.

DPRK alone could take out all U.S. in Wes Pac

Posted by: paddy | Apr 20 2026 20:50 utc | 92

karlof1 – #84: “The entire rationale for the Empire is based on Zionist lies about Iranian uranium enrichment with the aim of nuclear bomb production, the BigLie being manufactured to enable the Clean Break project of establishing Greater Zionistland that was made in 1996.”

Indeed … btw, it had occurred to me before, but now even more with your comment, what a HUGE strategic mistake Iran’s nuclear enrichment program has been over the past thirty years. As we have seen and discussed on this site, Iran’s real nuke has been control of the Strait and its great engineers producing home made rockets in quality and quantity.
All the nuclear program has ever gotten Iran has been sanctions and excuses for war … all very unfair and illegal even, but also inevitable given the players. What if Iran had focused solely on rocketry and spent all of its defense money on that, as well as fortifying its friends?

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2026 20:50 utc | 93

The warped representation of Iran’s exiled voices in Western media

Posted by: sentience | Apr 20 2026 20:52 utc | 94

@ Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2026 20:04 utc | 73

Always a pleasure to see your contributions, Norwegian. Honestly, it feels like the whole bar is just a bunch of fake accounts lately.

Thank you very much! I appreciate this comment as contributing facts is one of my goals, and fake accounts are just the opposite as we all know.

Iraq’s liberation from Zio Imperialism is indeed an excellent omen for the resumption of hostilities . Israel must be destroyed US Imperialism must be toppled by a social revolution!

Yes by now it is indisputable that Israel has no place in West Asia. This will go a long way to topple US imperialism by itself. That a country like Iraq is untangling itself at this stage is very encouraging.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2026 20:58 utc | 95

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2026 20:36 utc | 88

I have assumed always that the reason that Iran went to Pakistan was the genuine fear that Trump would use nukes. Remember that Trump said in his first term “what is the use of nukes if you do not use them”

It may still be a real and genuine fear.

If as now seems likely Trump has crossed over into insanity how can Iran be sure that anyone will stop him.

Who would take the risk of provoking him? I am not sure i would risk my nation to the whims of a madman.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 20 2026 20:58 utc | 96

Caliman | Apr 20 2026 20:50 utc | 94

If it wasn’t nukes it would be something else. Doesn’t matter what. The propaganda writers would write it. The is always the next great evil to be portrayed to the western public. WMAD. al Qaeda who passports were miraculously found in the 9/11 ruble. R2P. It simply does not matter what a country does or does not do if it is slated for destruction. In this case it is Nutty’s cartoon bomb at the UN. Powell and his little vial of white powder for the destruction of Iraq. Always the same.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2026 20:59 utc | 97

Is it nuke time already?

Not the time to crack jokes, I know. I don’t worry about nuclear war. What keeps me up at night are starvation, economic depression and the EU war on Russia that’s seems to be in the bag by now. Guess we all bear our burdens alone…

Posted by: Konami | Apr 20 2026 21:00 utc | 98

Peter

I fully agree. I thought Trump’s threat about civilization was very clearly a nuclear threat. I am surprised that so few seemed to see what i though obvious

Now I am assuming that back channels from China and Russia have indicated NO WAY, but who can be sure the message has got through to Trump or that if it has he will accept it.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 20 2026 21:03 utc | 99

B, once again, we need our old friend Love Donbass back Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2026 20:25 utc | 85

He’s over at Indi,ca posting away.

Posted by: George | Apr 20 2026 21:09 utc | 100

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