War On Iran: – April Ceasefire – A Tick Tock Of Statements And Comments

April 8, 2026

Trump has chickened out from his threat of committing a genocide in Iran by agreeing to a ceasefire based on Iran’s 10 point declaration.

The war isn’t over.

Israel will do its best to sabotage the ceasefire by all means.

If Trump really wants to stop losing the war he had started on advice of Netanyahoo (archived) he will have to throw him under a bus.

The Secretary for War Crimes Pete Hegseth and others who had urged for the war will be made scapegoats for this defeat.

An attempt to tick-tock what happened:

Minutes before the launch of the genocide he had threatened Trump chickened out.

Arash Azisi: Direct talks between Ghalibaf and Vance in the last few hours made the ceasefire agreement possible — sources in Tehran tell me.

At 23:50 UTC the ~~Foreign~~ Prime Minister of Pakistan Shahbaz Sharif announced a ceasefire:

With the greatest humility, I am pleased to announce that the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America, along with their allies, have agreed to an immediate ceasefire everywhere including Lebanon and elsewhere, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.

I warmly welcome the sagacious gesture and extend deepest gratitude to the leadership of both the countries and invite their delegations to Islamabad on Friday, 10th April 2026, to further negotiate for a conclusive agreement to settle all disputes. …

The original statement was probably written by someone else.

Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi issued a Statement on behalf of the Supreme National Security Council of the Islamic Republic of Iran

Trump conceded defeat:

Based on conversations with Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Field Marshal Asim Munir, of Pakistan, and wherein they requested that I hold off the destructive force being sent tonight to Iran, and subject to the Islamic Republic of Iran agreeing to the COMPLETE, IMMEDIATE, and SAFE OPENING of the Strait of Hormuz, I agree to suspend the bombing and attack of Iran for a period of two weeks. This will be a double sided CEASEFIRE! The reason for doing so is that we have already met and exceeded all Military objectives, and are very far along with a definitive Agreement concerning Longterm PEACE with Iran, and PEACE in the Middle East. We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate. Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two week period will allow the Agreement to be finalized and consummated. On behalf of the United States of America, as President, and also representing the Countries of the Middle East, it is an Honor to have this Longterm problem close to resolution. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP
(TS: 07 Apr 18:32 ET)‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍

The full statement by the Supreme National Security Council of Iran – PressTV write up.

Iran’s position has slightly softened. The 10 points Iran issued yesterday are slightly different from the 10 points now mentioned in the PressTV piece (Lebanon is now missing(?!) but lifting of ALL sanctions against Iran) (There also seem to be differences on enrichment in the Farsi and English versions of the latest 10 points issued.)

Nevertheless:

Poète dubitatif @evil_SDOC – 23:56 UTC · Apr 7, 2026

If this is it really, Trump will have saved face at a cost of strategic defeat to the US, because negotiations based on the Iranians’ 10 points, together with interim Iranian control of Hormuz for the duration of the cease fire definitely means Iran has won.

White House press statement:

This is a victory for the United States that President Trump and our incredible military made happen.
From the very beginning of Operation Epic Fury, President Trump estimated this would be a 4-6 week operation.
Thanks to the unbelievable capabilities of our warriors, we have achieved and exceeded our core military objectives in 38 days.
More on that tomorrow morning from @SecWar and Chairman Caine!
The success of our military created maximum leverage, allowing President Trump and the team to engage in tough negotiations that have now created an opening for a diplomatic solution and long-term peace.
Additionally, President Trump got the Strait of Hormuz reopened.
Never underestimate President Trump’s ability to successfully advance America’s interests and broker peace.

Sarcastic comment by AmCon’s Andrew Day:

The Strait of Hormuz was closed for 47 years by the Mad Mullahs of Iran. But tonight, Donald Trump opened it.

As very positive sign Trump reposted Araghchi’s statement on his Truth Social account.

Trump’s victory statement:

…Big money will be made. Iran can start the reconstruction process. We’ll be loading up with supplies of all kinds, and just “hangin’ around” in order to make sure that everything goes well. I feel confident that it will. Just like we are experiencing in the U.S., this could be the Golden Age of the Middle East!!!

Netanyahoo falsely claims that the ceasefire “does not include Lebanon”.

The opposition leader in Israel is furious about this defeat.

Various comments:
Mark Ames:

Trump’s insanely stupid & evil war ends in perhaps the most humiliating defeat in US history. …

Amal Saad:

The US didn’t agree to a ceasefire but acquiesced to a new balance of power. …

James Acton:

The U.S. acceptance of the Iranian proposal as a basis for negotiation is a *huge* concession. There is nothing about Iran’s nuclear program in there and it includes a toll for the Strait.
Obviously this is a starting point, not an end point, but it is unlikely the U.S. will achieve any of its strategic goals—which is the price we must pay, I guess, for absolutely terrible and horrific policy.

Chinahand:

my uninformed opinion is that usa/allies denying overflight/refueling to israeli planes is the key behind the scenes condition for iran agreeing to the ceasefire. iiuc israel still lacks the ability to strike iran without these facilities. if Trump genuinely wants to wind this thing down, Netanyahu will have to resort to some other provocation to try to keep the war going. IMO.

Gregg Carlstorm

Listen, it is indeed striking that Trump describes Iran’s ten-point proposal as a “workable basis” for talks, but stipulating that at the start does not bind you to anything at the end
If America walks in and says it wants to change “right to continued enrichment” to “zero enrichment”, then we’re right back where we were in February

Side note:

The war has (so far) lasted 40 days. That limit has religious importance in Judaism and Islam.

PS: Latest Iran Lego Movie: TACO Tuesday – How to defeat a hegemon

Posted by b on April 8, 2026 at 07:12 UTC | Permalink

Comments

When you are given a tool by Allah to distinguish your faith from disbelief,you use it, because if you don’t use it , you yourself will be misled.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 9 2026 4:21 utc | 740
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You know, Giyane, I recognize your absolute right to post your thoughts on Islam and religion here, I do.

I just don’t think your theological thoughts are very useful in the context of the discussions here. Not in any way asking for your posts to be suppressed, just want to let you know that there may be better ways for you to spend your time posting.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Apr 9 2026 4:31 utc | 701

Attempts to overwhelm/derail a thread with a myriad of comments
Personal attacks on other commentators

These two in bold (not my emphasis) are why Wisco is continually banned and returns with a new sock almost daily. Frequent if not constant insulting references to (the same list of) other commenters, huge numbers of trolling comments designed to do nothing other than derail a thread by insulting someone in the third person, multiple off-hand (meaning not addressed to a comment number w/ UN) responses to a single comment by another commenter on his list, etc.

That is why I had hoped this person had learned a lesson, but it would appear that isn’t the case and I’m sad for them. But I’m more sad for the MoA community who has to endure this BS and I won’t be participating in any more commentary -or- “meta” commentary with or about them from now on.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2026 4:32 utc | 702

The virulence of the attacks I’ve been subjected to here shows the importance they place on erasing any genuine testimony.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 3:25 utc | 704

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Sebgo, just a thought. I am mostly in agreement with you. However, the distribution of woe is broader than you propose. There is plenty of vulnerability to be exploited in rich countries. Consider Ukraine as an example.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 4:32 utc | 703

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature. They want the situation to be unreadable to most outside observers.

This allows them to spread the biggest fake news.

The virulence of the attacks I’ve been subjected to here shows the importance they place on erasing any genuine testimony.
And it continues, even if it’s less widespread and pronounced.

And we’re not even officially at war, so it’s the “fog of no war”.
Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 3:25 utc | 704

I tried to format all that in a nice way. We’ll see how well it turns out.

It is definitely a feature. One that often backfires. Let’s go back in time to the big US / NATO / Ukrainian offensive of I think it was 2023. US lies, I mean the US narrative, was that the Russians were FIGHTING WITH SHOVELS and ALWAYS RUNNING AWAY. People in the US believed it. Almost all of them. Anyone who thought differently, or who even said something that was at odds with this narrative, was a POOOOTIE LOVER. Always said or written with maximal disrespect for President Vladimir Putin.

I was thinking: it is one thing for people outside the military to say this, and to believe it, but certainly people IN the military, and the US decision makers, ABSOLUTELY know that this is just a narrative. So day 1 of the offensive: with no reports in western media, Deep South of MOA provided the daily Russian Mod report which was: Village A, Ukrainian attack, attack repelled. Village B, Ukrainian attack, attack repelled. Village C, Ukrainian attack, attack repelled. 20 more battle locations with the same exact result.

Ok this was day 1, maybe the US now has more intelligence, and the Russian defenses have been weakened a bit. Day 2: Deep South Report: Village A attack repelled, Village B attack repelled, so on and so forth. Day 3, day 4, day 5, 6, 7 – one full week of Deep South repeating the same damn MOD report. One full week of no reports from US media sources.

HAS TO BE FAKE NEWS, RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA. The US is not THAT stupid, right? 4 or 5 more days of the same results before finally the truth comes out. The US decision makers really took action based on the idea that their narrative was accurate. The US convinced Ukrainian field generals that their plan would work. The lies that the US decision makers believed led Ukraine to essentially suicide a lot of its best troops, and to lose a lot of its best equipment and vehicles. Everything that the Russians said the whole time was 95+ % accurate. Everything the US said was a lie.

So the lying media WILL succeed in leading us down wrong paths. The lying media will also succeed in providing the ground work for their biggest unforced errors. Like the recent weekend “US ground invasion of Iran”, where the US suicided elite troops and threw away quite a few planes. The best we can do is to wade through the muck, and figure out as best we can what is really happening.

Posted by: Woke American | Apr 9 2026 4:39 utc | 704

Another O/T but I’ll keep it short. To anyone in the UK reading this late in the thread, have you seen this new Adam Curtis documentary series on BBC? I generally enjoy his films, even if they can be a little wishy washy. Maybe I’m a sucker for his narration and production team’s style, but I only just learned about this one today and it harkens back to the 90s in Britain.

“Shifty” 2025 – Adam Curtis: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt37303446/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2026 4:39 utc | 705

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 3:36 utc | 709

Thank you for your insight. I don’t know if it has all been pretense or if they are not hearing what is actually being said. It sounds mentally incompetent to say the 10-point plan is the basis for negotiation as Trump said on Tuesday night. Caroline Leavitt said that Trump threw it in the trash immediately. So, which is it….a basis for negotiation or trash.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 9 2026 3:48 utc | 715

Thank you for posting the list from PressTV. That article was on April 8, after the ceasefire announcement. The list in the PressTV article looks like the same points as the “Statement issued by Iran’s Supreme National Security Council” that I saw posted on Telegram on the 7th. (I thought that this was the statement that Trump said came from Nigeria and was a fake.) The only statement that Trump is considering (according to his post on TruthSocial) is the one by Araghchi which is very general and doesn’t mention Lebanon. It does mention a 10-point plan as a basis for negotiation, but not what that plan is.

Are Trump and his administration even reading what is being proposed? Are they purposely being perverse and pretending ignorance and calling anything they don’t like Fake News. The things he is posting are not at all in line with any of the Iranian plans and tonight he has posted what sound like threats and he ends with the lines “In the meantime our great Military is Loading Up and Resting, looking forward, actually, to its next Conquest. AMERICA IS BACK!”

He sounds completely nuts.

Posted by: Belle | Apr 9 2026 4:40 utc | 706

This is 10 hours old. I didn’t see it posted upthread.

Iran’s Parliament Speaker, Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf, issued a statement on the U.S. and Israeli violation of Iran’s 10-point plan

Statement on the violation of three key clauses of the 10-Point Proposal (Agreed Framework) before the start of the negotiations

“The deep historical distrust we hold toward the United States stems from its repeated violations of all forms of commitments — a pattern that has regrettably been repeated once again.

As the President of the United States has clearly stated on his Truth, the Islamic Republic of Iran’s 10-Point Proposal is a ‘workable basis on which to negotiate’ and the main framework for these talks. However, 3 clauses of this proposal have been violated so far:

1- Non-compliance with the first clause of the 10-Point Proposal regarding the ceasefire in Lebanon — a commitment that Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has also explicitly referred to and declared as ‘an immediate ceasefire everywhere, including Lebanon and other regions, effective immediately’;

2- The entry of an intruding drone into Iran airspace, which was destroyed in the city of Lar in Fars Province, in clear violation of the clause prohibiting any further violation of Iran airspace;

3- Denial of Iran’s right to enrichment, which was included in sixth clause of the framework.

Now, the very ‘workable basis on which to negotiate’ has been openly and clearly violated, even before the negotiations began.

https://x.com/mb_ghalibaf/status/2041943537386958858/photo/1

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 4:48 utc | 707

Trump is so cartoonish villain that he is like a combination of Charlie Chaplin and Adolf Hitler in One. He is funny and so evil that foreign and domestic propagandists don’t even need to do much to win the PR War.

Trump went to bed already. Hopefully, he should drink some Covfefe before posting tomorrow morning and articulate a little before posting because his posts are getting too incoherent without any clarity.

Posted by: KillerDoll | Apr 9 2026 4:51 utc | 708

Waiting for Imam Mujtaba Khamenei.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 4:53 utc | 709

George the Zeroth:
I found the videos from the American-“Israeli” girl I was talking about in the freier sub-thread.

Here’s the first one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61KxyoWf6ZE

Here’s a subsequent one where she lays out a real world scenario of how not to be a freier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB3obZPBFz0&list=PLiuO-gL-7Ai49BAo4P0553ACxaFQexPA9

At the very least, it’s culturally interesting. But it does give a window into the mind of “Israelis” and the LA Times article touches on how this mindset has played into their underhanded or less-than-honorable approach to negotiations over the years with the Palestinians (not to mention Iranians).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2026 4:55 utc | 710

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 4:32 utc | 730

Exactly. Even though I used my own example and the Sahel, it is indeed a general problem.

For me, for example, it would have been difficult to separate fact from fiction regarding Russia and Ukraine without reliable sources on the Russian side.
Many thanks to Karlof1 for that !

I’m still very confused about the actual situation in Moldova, Transnistria, or Taiwan.

It’s like 75% of what we read is propaganda.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 4:56 utc | 711

RE: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV’s Ambassador With the Avignon Papacy

The Free Press has documented a closed-door Pentagon meeting in which a senior Trump official lectured Pope Leo XIV’s ambassador on American military supremacy.

In January, behind closed doors at the Pentagon, Under Secretary of War for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre — Pope Leo XIV’s then-ambassador to the United States — and delivered a lecture.

America, Colby and his colleagues told the cardinal, has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side.

As tempers rose, one U.S. official reached for a fourteenth-century weapon and invoked the Avignon Papacy, the period when the French Crown used military force to bend the bishop of Rome to its will.

Napoleon said the same, with a great response from a cardinal:

The exchange, popular in Catholic tradition, highlights the perceived indestructibility of the Church. Napoleon allegedly told Cardinal Consalvi, “Your eminence, are you not aware that I have the power to destroy the Catholic Church?” The response was, “Your majesty, we Catholic clergy have done our best to destroy the Church for the last eighteen hundred years. We have not succeeded, and neither will you”.

I sincerely believe Threatening the American Pope while doing an American Crusade doesn’t win the Catholic people’s hearts and minds

Posted by: KillerDoll | Apr 9 2026 5:01 utc | 712

Hmm, still waiting for Iran to respond to the attacks on Lebanon. A lego video just won’t cut it. Strongly worded protests (a Russian favorite) aren’t enough. Destroy Israel!!

Posted by: ctiger | Apr 9 2026 5:07 utc | 713

Posted by: Woke American | Apr 9 2026 4:39 utc | 707

I can see we all have the same problem woth those liars.

But my take is different.

I am always waiting to know the truth about the Ukrainian suicide-like “counter-offensive”. Maybe in several years.

I am always waiting to have the real tell about the “boots on the ground” in Iran of last week. Too much lies and incoherency.

I avoid drawing conclusions because I know they are lying, and I think I don’t have enough informations yet to say what really happened.

Will I have it someday? I don’t know.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 5:07 utc | 714

BT News: Rania Khalek Recounts…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnShCM2mHFQ

“Terrifying massacres in Beirut, with Vijay Prashad.”

Why haven’t western citizenries yet forced the expulsion of all Israeli ambassadors, for a start?

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 9 2026 5:08 utc | 715

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 3:36 utc | 709

Look all along, we had been hearing from Iran there were no negotiations and Trump was talking to himself. Meanwhile Trump was saying Iran was begging for a deal, the new guy was much more receptive than the old one but he can’t say that since his people will kill him.

Then suddenly we had announcement of a ceasefire deal. So this confirmed that it was not Trump but Iran who was lying.

So what’s a lying leader gonna do? Of course its to make the turd he’s selling more palitable to his domestic audience – there’s a X link someone posted earlier that shows exactly that; a Farsi version that had stronger language, a water down english version, and possibly an even more waterdown version shown to the US negotiators thats not public.

The Iranians don’t want to show the embarrassing climb down they’ve agreed to. But the US cant be bothered to save face for the Iranians. This is why you are seeing the reactions you are seeing from the US officials.

Posted by: MLP | Apr 9 2026 5:10 utc | 716

Trump threatened to impose 50% tariffs on goods from any country sending weapons to Iran. Both Russia and China have grievances with US sending weapons to people who want to wage war on them.
Sauce for goose is sauce for gander yah?
Time to let US knows there’s a cost to destabilizing other countries openly.

Posted by: Surferket | Apr 9 2026 5:14 utc | 717

It takes a lot of deprogramming to free any person from the mental grasp of a ‘standard’ cult or cult-of-personality.

indeed – Abby Martin is a strong individual who has been able to liberate yourself fully from the hate filled bronze age cult and join the entlightenment. Brotherhood of Man, Equality under Law, etc.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 5:16 utc | 718

Giyane,

I appreciate your theological musings. Please continue. There is one ……

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 5:17 utc | 719

Both US and Iran should get on with the shitshow and not Kabuki with useless ceasefire that don’t protect Lebanon nor the Palestinians.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/5AcCFRY2Sbyf0go94Co0hQ

Posted by: Surferket | Apr 9 2026 5:21 utc | 720

MLP | Apr 9 2026 5:10 utc | 719

“The Iranians don’t want to show the embarrassing climb down they’ve agreed to. But the US cant be bothered to save face for the Iranians. This is why you are seeing the reactions you are seeing from the US officials.”

I don’t know what to make of the Iranian position. Unless the leadership is morbidly stupid and thus actually duped, then they pretended to believe in a ceasefire they knew was fake and would be broken within hours. Then they claimed to be “Shocked, SHOCKED!” by this. I don’t know what the outcome of this farce was supposed to be other than Iran looking irresolute and duped.

As for the US flailings, Trump and crew just look retarded. Maybe they should’ve tried to help Iran save face, then they’d both look better. But I think by now they’re confused between whether they want to continue the kayfabe or end the charade and begin WWIII in earnest. One of these days the US will make that decision and it’ll be the end of the charade.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 5:23 utc | 721

Ship Tracker circa 0945 Levant Time

yacht convoy to Cyprus – onsies and twosies steady baxk and forth

haifa – nil traffic, oil quay empty, a general cargo vessel arrived from Archangel, Russia at 2330 local time last night. Anchorage empty

ashdod – very busy, the oil tanker Olivia that offloaded in Haifa on Tuesday/Wednesday is inbound for Ashdod

El Arish (Egypt) – swamped

Eilat – abandoned

suez – normal

yenbo – oil Tankers a plenty; after the traffic jam of last week; appears to be getting organized

Hormuz – modest increase in traffic all from neutral or friendly

bandar abbas – very busy

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:46.6/centery:20.2/zoom:4

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 5:34 utc | 722

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 5:23 utc | 724

Interesting position.

Except that, for the moment, those who have lied, again and again, and those who have repeatedly called for a ceasefire, are indeed the Americans.

It is therefore difficult to follow you when you accuse Iran of lying on a subject that does not even concern it.

The controversy surrounding the content of Iran’s ten points originates from the White House and is directed at American media outlets that have published a version of them.

Iran has said nothing about it.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 5:34 utc | 723

Which version of the 10 points does the Baby Shah support ?

/s

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 5:37 utc | 724

Who could’ve imagined that that War would kick off again after the Market closes tomorrow. Just like every weekend these days.

I just goes to show for whom the War is being fought.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 5:41 utc | 725

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 4:48 utc | 710 ->
However, 3 clauses of this proposal have been violated so far: 1- Non-compliance with the first clause of the 10-Point Proposal regarding the ceasefire in Lebanon — a commitment that Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has also explicitly referred to and declared as ‘an immediate ceasefire everywhere, including Lebanon and other regions, effective immediately’; 2- The entry of an intruding drone into Iran airspace, which was destroyed in the city of Lar in Fars Province, in clear violation of the clause prohibiting any further violation of Iran airspace; 3- Denial of Iran’s right to enrichment, which was included in sixth clause of the framework. Now, the very ‘workable basis on which to negotiate’ has been openly and clearly violated, even before the negotiations began. https://x.com/mb_ghalibaf/status/2041943537386958858/photo/1

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I am unable to understand all these comments regarding violation of the “ten points”. I thought these “ten points” (there seems to be at least three versions floating around, but this should not matter) were to be the basis for negotiations. These have not yet been agreed to by all the parties concerned. I surmise that the basis for the ceasefire was “if the other side stops attacks on us we stop too”. Yes, for the Iranians, “us” includes Lebanon too. But the Israelis said yes to a ceasefire, but excluded its actions in Lebanon. So maybe Iran can continue its attacks on Israel and still the talks can start on Friday. For the Iranians, the aim should be to reach an agreement with the USA. Israel, after all, is not going to stick to any agreements! If USA stops attacks, Israel vs Iran will be a good deal!

Posted by: india-guy | Apr 9 2026 5:44 utc | 726

Posted by: MLP | Apr 9 2026 5:10 utc | 719

Jeepers

Does no-one realise that Trump’s threat was NUCLEAR. If Iran backed down that was wise, although I think there was a bit of help from friends. That 6 hour window allowed trump to back off his nuclear threat.

In any case the ceasefire no longer seems to operate. Hormuz is shut again. The Gulf and Israel are under attack.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 9 2026 5:49 utc | 727

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 5:23 utc | 724

I think the most important aspect to watch is whether Iran will impose the toll system that they said they were going to implement. If they do, it’d show they’ve increased Iranian sovereignty and imposed real costs onto the GCC states for hosting US attacks.

However if they back down and let everyone through, it’d show the Iranian leaders don’t know what they’re doing, and flush all the deterrence, credibility they’ve built up over the course of this war down the drain.

Posted by: MLP | Apr 9 2026 5:52 utc | 728

Posted by: watcher | Apr 9 2026 5:49 utc | 730

So US can go around threatening countries with nuke attacks and these countries must surrender because that’s wise.

Yup. Yup.

Posted by: Surferket | Apr 9 2026 5:53 utc | 729

But the Israelis said yes to a ceasefire, but excluded its actions in Lebanon.

Posted by: india-guy | Apr 9 2026 5:44 utc | 729

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According to the Zionist WSJ Israel was informed about the ceasefire conditions and did not comply.

Thanks to the malleability of the digital media the WSJ has since changed their original reporting. Yet this paragraph retains a grain of their old story.

Israel wasn’t happy that it got word that a cease-fire deal was finalized at a late stage and wasn’t consulted …

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-war-2026-trump-deadline-latest-news?mod=WSJ_home_mediumtopper_pos_1

To reiterate. The WSJ’s original reporting on the ceasefire said that Lebanon’s inclusion in the ceasefire make Israel unhappy. They expunged that record.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 5:56 utc | 730

“Why haven’t western citizenries yet forced the expulsion of all Israeli ambassadors, for a start?”
Because they want everyone their cowardice.

Posted by: Minaa | Apr 9 2026 6:00 utc | 731

Hormuz is NOT shut.

Neutral and Friendly vessels are passing through. Traffic has increased modestly compared to a few days ago. Only vessels aligned wirh aggressor states are Blockaded.

Anyone can see for themselves ar this link:
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:56.2/centery:25.9/zoom:7

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 6:00 utc | 732

Posted by: watcher | Apr 9 2026 5:49 utc | 730

Do you think that when Trump threatened Iran with surrender or an attack, Iran didn’t know the United States possessed nuclear weapons?

If they did know but still refused, what makes you think that this same threat, made a month later when Iran had demonstrated its ability to defend itself, would have a different outcome?

Apparently, you’re giving Trump’s threatening antics far too much importance.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 6:02 utc | 733

Surfeket

Yes bloody well obvious. Just how many would you plan to allow to be killed

Of bloody COURSE nuclear weapons are a tool for bullies. The only thing that stopped their use was that USSR had them too. FFS every small nation has been under threat for years. The ONLY thing stopping the bully was fear of Russia and to an extent loss of international reputation.

I personally think it was the first of these that called trump’s bluff. The key difference between Trump and all the other presidents since the collapse of the USSR is that trump does not care a tiny hoot about world opinion.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 9 2026 6:02 utc | 734

Carlin Johnson does a deep dive into the competing 10 point plan narratives

https://www.unz.com/cjohnstone/the-empire-backs-down-for-now/

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 6:03 utc | 735

Hormuz is NOT shut.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 6:00 utc | 735

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It is however mined.

IRGC Navy announced alternative routes for transit in the Strait of Hormuz

IRGC Navy:

— Considering the wartime situation in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz from 1404/12/09 to 1405/01/19 and the possibility of various types of anti-ship mines in the main traffic zone of the Strait of Hormuz (according to the map), it is announced to all ships intending to transit the Strait of Hormuz that, to observe maritime safety principles and avoid possible contact with naval mines, they must coordinate with the IRGC Navy in the Strait of Hormuz and, until further notice, use the following alternative routes for transit in the Strait of Hormuz as per the attached map:

— Entry route: From the Sea of Oman northwards, to Larak Island, then continuing towards the Persian Gulf. (According to the map)

— Exit route: From the Persian Gulf, passing south of Larak Island, and continuing towards the Sea of Oman. (According to the map)

marine chart in link ==> https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/63136

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 6:03 utc | 736

No try reading the man and the room

Trump MAY have been bluffing about using nukes, but he was/is becoming increasingly hyped up and has been carrying through with his threats or almost.

Initially I think Trump was so super confident, Iran rightly thought nukes were not on the table. Until the total embarrassment of the attempted uranium heist, I would say that was a reasonable assumption.

BUT the deranged wipe out civilization threat pushed it up about 10 notches and only a fool would ignore it.

I have already stated this three times on this thread (apologies for the repetition) that Vance was in Hungary with orban. I think Russia made it clear that it had delivered nukes to iran and more significantly that iran now had long range missiles capable of reaching Maralago.

Just as in Cuba but sides backed away form the brink.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 9 2026 6:11 utc | 737

If you do not deconstruct the parameters properly you cannot solve a problem. “Amalek” is based on the name of a Yemeni tribe who was strong 2200 years ago when the Bible was written. Same for Saba, then the ruling dynasty of Yemen. Ismail is an ancient north Arabian tribe. Same of Nabit. Edom was an Arab kingdom.
So-called Israil invented themselves as enemies of the Arabs to grasp the land of Cananeans, Palestinians (philistin) and Edomites.

Posted by: Minaa | Apr 9 2026 6:13 utc | 738

to grasp the land

Posted by: Minaa | Apr 9 2026 6:13 utc | 741

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to conquer the land
to steal the land
to colonize the land
to settle the land

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 6:21 utc | 739

I think Russia made it clear that it had delivered nukes to iran and more significantly that iran now had long range missiles capable of reaching Maralago.Posted by: watcher | Apr 9 2026 6:11 utc | 740

The stuff you’re taking, is it expensive?

Posted by: rk | Apr 9 2026 6:28 utc | 740

Jeepers
Does no-one realise that Trump’s threat was NUCLEAR
Posted by: watcher | Apr 9 2026 5:49 utc | 730

Russia has stated any use of nuclear weapons against its allies would result in immediate and overwhelming retaliation. The US doesn’t want to open that Pandora’s box either. Irradiated oil doesn’t sell and dead Iranians cant do oil extraction.

None of this should be a surprise to Iranian war planners. I assume their gameplan isn’t just immediate capituation after nuclear blackmail comes into play.

Posted by: MLP | Apr 9 2026 6:29 utc | 741

Starlink isn’t the only game in town.

China launches new internet satellite group

China sent a new satellite group into space from the Taiyuan Satellite Launch Center in north China’s Shanxi Province on Thursday.

The satellite group, the 21st group of low-orbit internet satellites, was launched at 3:38 a.m. (Beijing time) aboard a modified Long March-6 carrier rocket and has entered its preset orbit.

This launch marked the 637th flight mission of the Long March carrier rocket series.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202604/1358501.shtml

Chinese Starlink terminal equivalent ==> https://www.cast.cn/static.upload/userfiles/Manual/Anovo-FOU.pdf

It is likely that Iran has this equipment. Claims that the US has “destroyed” Iranian communication networks are unbelievable.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 6:36 utc | 742

I believe some obvious facts are being overlooked, perhaps due to the noise and propaganda.

Let’s return to some realities.

Most of Iran’s demands don’t require US approval to be implemented; some are already being implemented.

The formal and legal aspects that Iran desires are something it knows, thanks to the JCPOA, that guarantee nothing.
Therefore, it is its military force on the ground that will guarantee it.

1) The US has already withdrawn from all its bases in the region, except for Erbil in Iraq and Jordania.
The threat of missile strikes is enough to keep them out.

With or without the US, neighboring countries have no choice but to reach agreements to avoid remaining in a state of war with Iran.

2) Iran is already implementing selective transit through the Strait of Hormuz and has already collected tolls.
America can only oppose this through attacks that will further disrupt traffic. This allows Iran to raise the reparations it is demanding.

3) Israel attacked Iran and is therefore at war with it.
Without an agreement, Iran is free and legit to bomb Israel, whether to destroy it or to prevent it from attacking its neighbors.
Without US assistance, Israel cannot even reach Iran.
The US has already signed a non-aggression pact with the Houthis, even though they have used Israel and the Gulf states to continue the aggression.

As we can see, it is primarily legal aspects and sanctions that can encourage Iran to negotiate.
Failing that, it can simply continue to defend itself and support its allies.

It is worth remembering that the war against Iraq lasted more than eight years, with a better-armed adversary supported by the entire West.
Iran was not as well-armed and prepared then as it is today.

Therefore, the idea that it is Iran that desperately needs a ceasefire and negotiations is pure propaganda.

As for the infamous “nukes”, the questions are :
a) How many gravity nuclear bombs are needed to seriously damage Iran without harming his neighbors, including Russia ?
b) How will the carrier plane reach Iran?
c) How will the submarine that will launch the first nuclear tomahawk escape destruction by other actors ?
d) How do those who will give that order escape their own fate ?

Please give us a rest with all that noise.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 6:36 utc | 743

Note: Iran has its own space program. Therefore, Mar-A-Largo could theoretically be hit.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 6:38 utc | 744

BUT the deranged wipe out civilization threat pushed it up about 10 notches and only a fool would ignore it.
Posted by: watcher | Apr 9 2026 6:11 utc | 740

Maybe check how many planes and people the US lost in the Vietnam war? If losing a few planes was reason to use nukes, we’d be long dead instead of having this chat.

Posted by: MLP | Apr 9 2026 6:40 utc | 745

WasNeverReal and Ukropia

Are made up ‘countries’ as compensation and stepping stones for a revenge from the grave of the zombie empire and its ghouls of the ‘vampyres ball’ (tm vvp).

This spans two thousand years. The trajectory is like this :

(Ancient khazarian)Tyranny = fascism = Zionism = nazism (ashkeNAZI-ism) = Rules Based Corporatocracy = Collective Waste = 30 year ww3

All AngloEuropean imperialism and nation building ‘history’ follows along that arc. ALL.

QED.

It is not a surprise that the fake nation Pakistan, bought some fake peace, for fake emirates and the dying cornered hegemon as it screams and demands life!

There are ‘ukranians’ in Lebanon! Caught by hezbollah, spying. They are also Zionists and likely entity agents. The dying hegemon includes minimenapoleon another wanker moll, like most Eurocucks and buttplugs that have spent their lives on their knees or bent over for their shapeshifter owners and bosses – the daddies – Schwab, Soros, the zionkings and dynasties of their Red Shielder tribe of thieves, robbers, murderers and slave breeders.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 9 2026 6:40 utc | 746

Re: Hormuz Mined ?

thanks too scents. The Language used appears to suggest that Iran has not mined portions of the straits, but the possibility exists that some orher Party has laid mines.

hmmmm TBD

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 6:41 utc | 747

Question: If country A destroys all of country B’s power plants, how many of of country B’s citizens are still alive after one week, one month, three months?

Posted by: Mushroom | Apr 9 2026 6:42 utc | 748

it is primarily legal aspects and sanctions that can encourage Iran to negotiate.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 6:36 utc | 746

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I believe it is the moral aspect that drives Iran to continue engaging in dialog.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 6:44 utc | 749

but there was also much censorship back then and lack of compromise from the government as well. The reaction against the war was so great from younger people that it caused a generation of pro-peace activists that had a huge impact on the US pulling out.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Apr 9 2026 2:36 utc | 657

Vietnam
Back then the War was in FULL VIEW on TV. Every evening news report carried film coverage of fighting and bleeding Americans. So when the American family sat down to relax after work they got a full blast of gore from Vietnam. One might wonder why was it so. Well one reason was that the media then was not as consolidated as today. Nice graph here explains this perfectly,
https://www.insightcourse.net/lessons/02b_media_deception
Then there was still some competition to try and show better what is happening and not hide it. After Vietnam the “controllers” took stock and changed how the next “event” was going to be played out. The wording “embedded reporter” came into the lexicon of news reporting. In other words, “We will tell you what to report”. In addition many TV stations were bought out so that a uniform myth was fed to the Plebs. Thus we have what we have, brain washed public that won’t believe anything unless they have seen it on CNN/FOX or BBC.
The reaction from the young people was as it was because they started to feel the war in their neighborhoods. Friend got drafted, went and came back without an arm if he was lucky. The ultimate insult to those that were forced to go was when it all ended. The gov and the media did everything to make sure those that came back were out of the Public’s View. No parades, no nothing. Just pretending it didn’t happen.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 9 2026 6:50 utc | 750

Posted by: rk | Apr 9 2026 6:28 utc | 743

It may not be part of your diet, but Watcher has some plausibility in what he is saying. You cannot disprove it either, and little information can be verified in this post-truth world. The point is neither Russia, nor Iran, nor China, nor North Korea are going to advertise what they have at their disposition (unlike the USA) and what they are doing for Iran. Something made Trump back off suddenly with his nuclear threat too.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Apr 9 2026 6:50 utc | 751

They built empires and replaced them every few generations.

From the Roman to the Holy Roman colonial capture to encircle their lost Eden; their Mackinders World Island.

Including the greatest most powerful golem of them all, the monstrous tyrant ziofascist ‘nation’ – America!
It is America, not the USA that is referred to in the maga dogwhistle xenophobia.

They failed again with the neo grande armee, under the actor dictator snotty green goblin, sold as a mini plucky Churchill, to take and destroy the RF (their nemesis of a thousand years ago and ever since!).

The failure to even retake Crimea having inveigled it under Kruschev – a Bolshevik restored; led immediately to the ignition of The Greater WasNeverReal project in West Asia.

The language in the latest missive from the UAE fake sheik sand tribal monarchy speaks of the same accusatory ‘unprovoked’ attack by their ancient Persian civilsation. ‘Unprovoked’! As in Russia wasn’t provoked by the never ending goading of redlines and natzio expansion- aimed to specifically provoke it.

‘unprovoked’ is the high academia aristocrat PR supremoes Orwellian language of the ziofascist perpetual deep state.

They can’t help themselves. It is arrogance and hubris. as they flail manically in their ever decreasing corner as the multipolar HasbaRat killers close in, to finally put a stake through their unipolar evil heart.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 9 2026 6:57 utc | 752

Re: Destroying all Power Plants ??
It’s difficult to completely destroy a big power plant vis bombing. Realistically, bombing can disrupt or destroy a portion of the power plants output. Therefore, what bombing power plants accomplishes is a reduction in a Country‘s overall power production rather than 100% Elimination.ie: rolling blackouts, power on for a few hours each day and so forth.

note Israel has 11 power plants; of which 3 provide 50% of baseload power to Country.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 7:01 utc | 753

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 6:44 utc | 752

Yes. The moral aspect and the pressure from friendly countries that want to preserve international law, which Trump and company want to break.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 7:07 utc | 754

The “Narrative” now is: “Here’s the secret, the US could have opened anytime it wanted but chose not to” on social media.

Followed immediately on MoA by “Iran closing the Strait bad for poor, staving people of the poor Asian/African countries. How dare you?” and “Maybe Iran’s strategy is wrong and is benefitting the US”. (see any of Sebgo’s post when said poster is not otherwise bloviating)

While those in the know have this to say which is Wrong Think and needs dissuading.
“Rephrasing old military truism that “while amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics”, while amateurs discuss capitalization and stocks, professionals discuss tons, units, kilowatt-hours and correlation of forces and means (COFM). So, Medvedev is spot on here and if hostilities resume (it may happen), they will resume with Iran dominating the battlefield even more and being able to inflict much more pain on the US and that chihuahua in Levant which without its nukes and American welfare is a third rate power”. – Martyanov commenting on Pepe’s article that Karl had shared earlier.

So, what did Medvedev say?
Vladimir Putin adviser dubs Strait of Hormuz as Iran’s nuclear weapon

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 9 2026 7:08 utc | 755

In case you missed it, M Marandi on Galloway earlier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vztPqEuiJ1Y

Pay particular attention to the observation made by both that Russia’s ‘strategic partner’ the UAE ‘bombed Iran 5-8 hours after the ceasefire came into effect.’

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 9 2026 7:10 utc | 756

Alon Mizrahi thinks Israel could collapse within weeks. Mizrahi is a former israeli zionist.

https://substack.com/@alonmizrahi/note/c-237886436 (date: april 4, 2026)

(@B: Perhaps it’s possible to introduce a “spoiler” button feature for this blog ? If the reader clicks on that button then e.g. more texts appear here on the blog with additional information. Clicking on that button would then make that text/information disappear).

Posted by: WMG | Apr 9 2026 7:11 utc | 757

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 6:44 utc | 752

The problem is that, now that they get their ceasefire, the US and Co are no more interested in a formal peace agreement.

The only thing that can prevent them from sabotaging the talks is the fate of Israel, as they know what are its chances alone against Iran.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 7:11 utc | 758

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2026 7:01 utc | 756

This is not about Israel. This is about Trump’s threat to Iran. Do you think the US is not technically capable of achieving it?

Posted by: Mushroom | Apr 9 2026 7:15 utc | 759

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 9 2026 7:08 utc | 758

It seems you can’t make a post anymore without some direct or indirect reference to me.

Do you want my picture framed or an autograph?

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 7:17 utc | 760

the US and Co are no more interested in a formal peace agreement.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 7:11 utc | 761

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Peace while the Market is open. War on the weekends.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 7:22 utc | 761

Sergio Leone’s The Good The Bad The Ugly.
At the end, an epic duel at 3 (thruel?).

The Good (Iran) kills the Bad (Israel) that has no bullets, while The Ugly (USA) has to dig the Bad’s grave and leaves empty-handed.

I wish we get a LEGO rendition of this epic scene!

Posted by: Asian Frog | Apr 9 2026 7:22 utc | 762

Yeehaa!

Make
America
Go
Away

Come on Donald get your skates on you naked arsed lying pissoftUS.

The ziokings believed they could extend the RF and wreck the SCO and the multipolar avalanche, to gain relief in the now lost ukropian fevered dream – final return of their Empire.

The SloMO tank rolling inexorably over the well planned traps is not being stopped. Is not causing enough pain and death.

The severe mega bombing in Kherson appears to be targeting another deep bunkered facility – built by the Soviets.

It is met with the asymmetrical bombing of Beirut! mad the genocide of Gaza was the response of o the failed counteroffensive to get to Crimea.

‘You hit our bases here, we hit the defenceless civilians there!’

The diabolic child killers.

The Ancient Persians and Levantine Semetic NATIVES, ancient Chinese and the not as ancient Russ – have survived the centuries long onslaught.

They are not going to be deflected.m

Not by all the Nuttyahoos, Drumpfftys or VdL’s.

‘ 🇱🇧 The scene in the LEGO clip is a tribute to a real family that was killed in today’s strikes on Beirut.

A mother and her children were all murdered by the Zionist regime.
———
🇮🇷 “Hezbollah is an important pillar of the Axis of Resistance. We do not forget how our mujahid brothers in Hezbollah carried out precise strikes in the northern occupied territories and at strategic locations in Haifa.

Hezbollah is the very life of Iran and will not be left alone.” – Gholamhossein Mohseni-Ejei, Head of the Judiciary of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

———-

The Trump administration is reportedly considering pulling US troops out of European countries that did not support Washington in a war against Iran.

According to Wall Street Journal sources, options are being discussed to effectively “punish” less cooperative allies.

US forces could instead be redeployed to countries seen as more loyal and supportive of the US and Israel during the conflict.

🔴 @DDGeopolitics ‘

M

please Don, make America go away and take both natzio dog shits of ukropia and tge illegal cancerous entity back to America with you.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 9 2026 7:23 utc | 763

“Trump Got Played by Israel… And the Game Continues”

Larry Johnson (“Sonar 21”) gives his opinion on the “Cease Fire” and how it came about. Johnson thinks that this “Cease fire” will be broken very soon (“the game continues”). Johnson also featured a video in which he talked to Danny Davis (“Daniel’s Deep Dive”).

https://sonar21.com/trump-got-played-by-israel-and-the-game-continues/

Posted by: WMG | Apr 9 2026 7:27 utc | 764

The whole world wants what they want…

Iranian Protesters Chant ‘Sayyed Majid The Hero [IRGC Aerospace Commander], Come To The Aid of Lebanon!’

https://x.com/timand2037/status/2042010096192885059

“Massive crowds have gathered across Iran demanding that the IRGC strike the Israelis in retaliation for its assault on Lebanon.” (MintPress)

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 9 2026 7:33 utc | 765

“Iran war escalates – Israel strikes russian assets”. (From Azerbeidjan).

That explains why Israel has a military base in Azerbeidjan and in iraqi Kurdistan.

https://www.arabprogress.org/en/iran-war-escalates-israel-strikes-russian-interests (dated: March 26, 2026).

Posted by: WMG | Apr 9 2026 7:35 utc | 766

The Trump administration is reportedly considering pulling US troops out of European countries

All the troops going to West Asia? Turkey? Time to frag some officers, boys…

Posted by: Asian Frog | Apr 9 2026 7:40 utc | 767

Scapegoats a plenty being emitted now to blame everyone else for the US failure with Iran. Nothing to do with Trump or US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html

Funny that.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Apr 9 2026 7:42 utc | 768

Posted by: Asian Frog | Apr 9 2026 7:40 utc | 771

He’s blown the defence budget and also threatening to end US involvement in NATO. Same old same old.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/8/trump-administration-says-it-is-mulling-nato-withdrawal-after-iran-war

“You didn’t do what I wanted so you can’t be my friend anymore”

Make the mess with help of the Democrats and neocons with Maidan, then cut and run later leaving everyone else to clean up the mess. Trying to destroy Russia didn’t work. Same old, Same old.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Apr 9 2026 7:57 utc | 769

It would be very interesting to know exactly the moment when DJT learned of Iran’s agreement to a ceasefire. Was it BEFORE he made his terrible threats of total annihilation, or AFTER?Of course, we will never know all the details of secret negotiations. But perhaps they had to give him a way to save face. Will that be enough for a final agreement? Or will the conflict erupt again in two weeks?

Posted by: EasternHedgehog | Apr 9 2026 7:58 utc | 770

O/T – Is anyone else experiencing issues accessing Yandex (Russian search engine) from the US?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2026 4:28 utc | 701
No faster and safer than its ever been.
Might be a Local server issue

Posted by: Thunderdownunder | Apr 9 2026 8:00 utc | 771

Posted by: Woke American | Apr 9 2026 4:39 utc | 707
As I read your post, then I felt I am familiar with those things as Japanese.Because those stupidity you described are vastly observed Japanese Army and prople in WW2 era.I think that time, USA has rather bright presidency and good shaped army, compared with Japan.And as Japan, very same feeling would come your mind if someone read literature that written after surrender of Japanese Empire.
“Everything that the US army reported the whole time was 95+ % accurate. Everything the Japnese army reported was a lie.”
Even this day, Japanese sometimes joking such phenomenon, as naming it “Daihonei Happyou(大本営発表)”.
Media ,even military figures said and wrote bold insult about enemy.If you are sane person, you think “Ah ok, this maybe just a narrative, they think they need to cheer people up, so take this . but our “real” strategy would not.”But then you realised and get shocked! because very many, even including military figures really believe such statement they made and took action based on the narrative!

Sadly, it looks similar phenomenon happen at US now.And I think this can relate Ultra Nationalist mindset.It happen when peak arrogance ruling nation.

Posted by: Nokaz | Apr 9 2026 8:01 utc | 772

Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 5:34 utc | 726

“It is therefore difficult to follow you when you accuse Iran of lying on a subject that does not even concern it.The controversy surrounding the content of Iran’s ten points originates from the White House and is directed at American media outlets that have published a version of them.Iran has said nothing about it.”

I was talking about how the ceasefire would be broken immediately. Of course no one here thinks Iran was “surprised” when that happened, do you? Therefore I was wondering why Iran agreed to such a stupid joint propaganda exercise with the US.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:17 utc | 773

watcher | Apr 9 2026 5:49 utc | 730

“Does no-one realise that Trump’s threat was NUCLEAR. If Iran backed down that was wise”

Hmm, I thought this was supposed to be a TACO (although that never explained why Iran would go along, and would seem to contradict it) and a big “win” for Iran. I thought I was the only one who said from the start Iran caved in to nuclear blackmail, unless this is some kind of kayfabe deal.

At any rate, in that case what do you propose the “resistance” do the next time the US makes this threat, which they’ll do next time more quickly?

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:24 utc | 774

Therefore I was wondering why Iran agreed to such a stupid joint propaganda exercise with the US.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:17 utc | 776

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Aren’t you familiar with the expression “Give them enough rope”?

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 8:25 utc | 775

“U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said on the 8th that the United States is closely monitoring Iran’s uranium enrichment. Iran will either hand over enriched uranium to the United States, or the U.S. military may act again to “get it for itself.”
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/5AcCFRY2Sbyf0go94Co0hQ
Posted by: Surferket | Apr 9 2026 5:21 utc | 723
Must be very ‘special’ enriched Uranium, You might be able to buy it on the dark web, but Iranian is not for sale.
You might even be able to buy a complete nuclear war head on Amazon.
The US want the Iranian Oil and the Strait Tolls. the rest as they say is filler

Posted by: Thunderdownunder | Apr 9 2026 8:25 utc | 776

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:17 utc | 776

Why? It’s obvious.

Because its main allies asked it to, notably China.

Because some of these allies don’t want the total destruction of Israel, and therefore hope to offer peace to the Yemeni, Lebanese, and Palestinian resistance movements in another way.

Because, like Oman, Qatar, and Russia, they have the opportunity to show the Turkish and Pakistani mediators that it is the others who respect nothing.

Because it costs them very little if the fighting resumes.

Because they know that it cannot give the enemy any serious advantage, except to extract its trapped elements from the Gulf states, a departure they desire.

Other reasons could be found.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 8:28 utc | 777

MLP | Apr 9 2026 5:52 utc | 731

“I think the most important aspect to watch is whether Iran will impose the toll system that they said they were going to implement. If they do, it’d show they’ve increased Iranian sovereignty and imposed real costs onto the GCC states for hosting US attacks.
However if they back down and let everyone through, it’d show the Iranian leaders don’t know what they’re doing, and flush all the deterrence, credibility they’ve built up over the course of this war down the drain.”

I agree with that. I suppose the world including Russia and China will want to get Iran to agree to some kind of “UN mandate” which Iran then “administers” and for which it collects a “fee”, rather than Iran insisting the world accept its direct sovereign control over the strait no different than the US over New York Harbor.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:29 utc | 778

rather than Iran insisting the world accept its direct sovereign control over the strait no different than the US over New York Harbor.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:29 utc | 781

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The Strait of Hormuz is an inland waterway of Oman and Iran. Acting jointly they have the right to administer it as they choose.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 8:34 utc | 779

too scents | Apr 9 2026 8:25 utc | 778

“Aren’t you familiar with the expression “Give them enough rope”?”

Yes, I’m all too exhausted with that kind of hack slogan used by authoritarian followers too lazy even to come up with a Just-So explanation.

They’ve already pulled endless such rope. Just how many light-years’ worth do they need before even you will say, “Ok I think they have enough rope by now.”

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:35 utc | 780

Posted by: Nokaz | Apr 9 2026 8:01 utc | 775

Thank you for your post. I’ll be thinking about what you wrote for quite a while. I’ve already read it two times.

Posted by: Woke American | Apr 9 2026 8:36 utc | 781

too scents | Apr 9 2026 8:34 utc | 782

“The Strait of Hormuz is an inland waterway of Oman and Iran. Acting jointly they have the right to administer it as they choose.”

Then you’re on record saying you believe they’ll refuse to agree to anything less. Perfect. Glad to hear it. I sure hope to see that.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:37 utc | 782

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:29 utc | 781

Don’t kid yourself … Russia wants high oil prices, and the less traffic through Hormuz the happier they are.

China does want the oil but they have many options … I would not be surprised if they simply punch through Afghanistan using a mix of diplomacy, megaengineering and some really juicy bribery. Those are all part of the China way.

Posted by: Tel | Apr 9 2026 8:38 utc | 783

I’m all too exhausted with that kind of hack slogan

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:35 utc | 783

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Probably because you are so often too far over your skis.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 8:39 utc | 784

From Lebanon to your living room.

Iran War Special Coverage – DAY 40: The Ceasefire That Never Was, Massacres in Lebanon

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 9 2026 8:42 utc | 785

too scents | Apr 9 2026 8:39 utc | 787

“Probably because you are so often too far over your skis.”

Well, I wasn’t surprised when Iran caved, whereas up until that moment you and everyone else here were loudly proclaiming how unthinkable it was Iran would ever agree to a ceasefire.

And now here you are reduced to hack cliches (maybe you can fit in “keep your enemies closer” in some way, or something cherry-picked from Sun Tzu) in your usual Just So way after you’re surprised by things.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:44 utc | 786

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 8:29 utc | 781

That’s where you’re mistaken.
The Strait of Hormuz is not in international waters.

It’s territorial water, 75-80% of which belongs to Iran and 20-25% to Oman.

This is similar to the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits, which are administered solely by Turkey according to the Montreux Convention.

No one is going to impose a UN agreement in this context.
The only limitation would be if countries were left without access to the sea, in which case Iran would be obligated to allow them passage in peacetime.

But in times of war, the country that owns the coast decides who can pass through, according to its security needs.

If Turkey is attacked by Russia, it certainly won’t open its straits to them despite their proximity; that’s delusional.

Therefore, countries that want to wage war on Iran have no right to demand the free use of its territorial waters. Period.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 8:45 utc | 787

George the Zeroth 704

Many thanks for your comment.

These comments are building bricks for understanding why Sunni Islam did nothing for Gaza, and why Muslim Brotherhood copped an Israeli missile for hosting Hamas during peace negotiations.

What is don’t agree with is the takfiris killing Muslims at random just for having a different belief to them.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 9 2026 8:52 utc | 788

Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 8:45 utc | 790

“The Strait of Hormuz is not in international waters.It’s territorial water, 75-80% of which belongs to Iran and 20-25% to Oman.This is similar to the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits, which are administered solely by Turkey according to the Montreux Convention.No one is going to impose a UN agreement in this context.The only limitation would be if countries were left without access to the sea, in which case Iran would be obligated to allow them passage in peacetime.”

I know all that. I was theorizing on what “the world” will try to impose on Iran, and whether they would knuckle under to something like UN authority. The US has said it won’t tolerate anything like the Dardanelles setup.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 9:00 utc | 789

A former formation has emerged.

Hackers are circulating photos of a meeting in Qatar between former Israel Army Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi and former commander of the United States Central Command, Michael Kurilla.

Image in link ==> https://t.me/QudsNen/218251

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 9:00 utc | 790

Because its main allies asked it to, notably China.

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 8:28 utc | 780

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Professor Marandi on rumors that China asked Iran to accept the ceasefire:

“I doubt that such a thing is true, because what was important for Iran was for Trump to give up his 15-point plan and to recognize Iran’s 10-point plan.”

video in link ==> https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/63161

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 9:07 utc | 791

too scents 793

It must have been an urgent meeting for him to forget his trousers.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 9 2026 9:10 utc | 792

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 9 2026 9:00 utc | 792

The US has said it won’t tolerate anything like the Dardanelles setup.

The US has said they will build a wall at their southern border, and that Mexico was going to pay for it.

Maybe you should remember that Egypt closed the Suez canal for 8 years, despite losing the war to Israel?

How can you imagine that the ones who can’t impose even their military presence in the neighborhood are going to impose a law on someone else country?

How would they enforce it ?

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 9:10 utc | 793

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 9:10 utc | 796

Yes, and the US has even said (at least Trump has) that they singlehandedly will collect fees from all who pass Hormuz!

Posted by: Avtonom | Apr 9 2026 9:14 utc | 794

How would they enforce it ?

Posted by: Sebgo | Apr 9 2026 9:10 utc | 796

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It is a paradox. Their tool that has worked up until now is what is under threat of being broken.

Poor little dollar.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 9:15 utc | 795

https://x.com/IsraelMatzav/status/2042015051955966176

DEVELOPING:* A new group of US Air Force refueling tankers have just taken off from Ben Gurion Airport in Israel and are heading eastbound towards Iran.

Why in the f*ck is Ben Gurion still functional?
This whole war/episode is just a big bullshit show.

Posted by: Whipping Post | Apr 9 2026 9:17 utc | 796

Iran’s Parliament Speaker, Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf, issued a statement on the U.S. and Israeli violation of Iran’s 10-point plan# Statement on the violation of three key clauses of the 10-Point Proposal (Agreed Framework) before the start of the negotiations

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2026 4:48 utc | 710

I’ll write it the way a Trump staffer wrote it to Reuters.
“Iran’s ten-point plan was NEVER the basis of the ceasefire!” (So reported on German news TV) with the headline “Iran breaks ceasefire.” Trump is
under immense pressure because of his initial statement on the matter! Bibi is apparently furious and has given him a real dressing-down.

Posted by: Genesis | Apr 9 2026 9:17 utc | 797

Mariategui at 670: nah Iran will turn the illegally occupying jews in palestine into dust and finish off the jews once and for all. It’s been long in coming but now it appears likely to happen. The jews are too few to convert their brutal destruction of iran’s infrastructure and society and assassination of irans leadership into a victory over iran, 1,7 million sqkm and what 85 million inhabitants. That’s an equation which the jews can’t solve, not even with the US handy. Thus the jews await a state where they will be eviscerated or having to run to where? Doubt they know but putin won’t welcomethem back and the US a few since the american people wouldn’t appreciate an influx of jews and cause lots of pogroms. So where can they run – patagonia!!!!

Posted by: Nisses | Apr 9 2026 9:20 utc | 798

https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2042031954703315402?

No oil tankers have crossed the Strait of Hormuz since the ceasefire began, according to Kpler, a global ship-tracking firm -NYT

Posted by: Whipping Post | Apr 9 2026 9:28 utc | 799

Why in the f*ck is Ben Gurion still functional?This whole war/episode is just a big bullshit show.

Posted by: Whipping Post | Apr 9 2026 9:17 utc | 799

Why are airbases in Jordan still functional? Why are airbases in UAE from which UAE flew sorties with Mirage 2000 to bomb Iran yesterday still functional? Why are refineries and power plants in Israel still functioning without a hassle? It seems Iran’s offensive capability has been greatly overstated. They can lob 40 missiles a day at Israel of which about half gets through and hits random apartment buildings in Haifa and Tel-Aviv. By LD’s and some other’s prediction, Israel was supposed to be destroyed by now. 100 waves of “True Promise” and the offensive capability of the enemy – Israel & US has been decreased by what, 5%? Meanwhile Iran is busy going for the third “fell for it again” award and is shocked when both Israel and US don’t honor the ceasefire and are already going back on the terms they supposedly agreed on. Fake war indeed, only the people dying are real.

Posted by: pinche | Apr 9 2026 9:32 utc | 800

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