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February 13, 2026
WSJ Debunks NYT’s “Ragtag Network Of Activist” Propaganda

On January 16 I lambasted a New York Times piece which claimed (archived) that:

[A] ragtag network of activists, developers and engineers pierced Iran’s digital barricades. Using thousands of Starlink satellite internet systems that they had quietly smuggled into the country, they got online and spread images of troops firing into the streets and families searching for bodies.

The NYT went on to listen a number of Iranian expat groups allegedly involved in the endeavor.  In the end all of them seemed to be in one or another way financed and organized by the U.S. of A.:

We are now down at the 18th paragraph of NY Times piece on a ‘ragtag network of activists’ which finally hints to who is organizing and financing it:

The State Department coordinated with SpaceX on the sanctions exemption for digital communication tools in Iran. It also provided support to civil society groups about how to hide the systems from government detection, according to a Biden administration official involved in the plans.

It is the U.S. government which provided the various regime change groups with the money to smuggle some 50,000 Starlink terminals into Iran.

A recent Wall Street Journal report on the issue is more explicit in making the case that whole Starlink operation in Iran was directly run by the Trump administration (archived):

The State Department had purchased nearly 7,000 Starlink terminals in earlier months—with most bought in January—to help antiregime activists circumvent internet shut-offs in Iran, officials said. The purchase came after senior Trump administration appointees decided to divert some funds from other internet-freedom initiatives inside Iran to the purchasing of Starlink terminals instead.

President Trump was aware of the deliveries, officials said, but they didn’t know if he or someone else directly approved of the plan.

Trump and Musk spoke in January about ensuring Iranians could use Starlink to access the internet during protests, the White House confirmed at the time.

Previously the U.S. government had financed five Virtual Private Network (VPN) companies to provide uncensored but  spied on Internet access to Iran. The costly purchase of Starlink, planned many months in advance, cut into their business:

The administration’s decision to procure Starlink systems came against the backdrop of internal debates over whether diverting funds to Starlink would undercut other important U.S. programs that fund internet access in Iran.

For months, senior officials pushed Starlink as the best way to support antiregime movements inside Iran, alongside or instead of virtual private networks, known more commonly as VPNs. Mora Namdar, who until December led the State Department’s Middle East bureau, in August sent a memo to Secretary of State Marco Rubio urging the acquisition of Starlink expressly for delivery to Iran. While her bureau “has funded a variety of VPNs and other internet freedom technologies, it is useless when the internet is shut down,” she wrote.

Mora Namdar was technically right:

Hull said Psiphon [- a U.S. financed VPN provider -] had about 18.4 million active Iranian users in January, the same month Tehran shut off the internet, though the company detected only 1,500 people operating Psiphon with Starlink when the regime cut off nearly all online access.

When the State Department redirected VPN funds to acquiring Starlink, it allowed funding to lapse for two of five VPN providers for Iran, two U.S. officials said. Three continued with limited support from remaining U.S. funds, they said.

However Starlink, the alternative communication route which Mora Namdar had promoted, soon turned out to be vulnerable too.

As provided in my previous piece:

But the whole costly endeavor did not play out as planned. Starlink terminals use GPS to define their own position which they need to know to be able to find and connect to Starlink’s satellites. GPS signals are weak and easy to fake. The Iranian government is spoofing GPS signals giving fake locations which confuses the Starlink terminals. They can not find and connect to the satellites they need. (There are additional ways to detect and locate single active Starlink terminals. But to disable a large number of them GPS spoofing is currently the best way to go.)

This is another case where propaganda in the NYT and other mainstream outlets has tried to promote covered U.S. government operations as a ‘leaderless movement’ of ‘democratic youths’ in this or that country. In reality many the ‘ragtag network of activists’ turn out to be financed by the U.S. or even directly involved State Department and CIA bureaucrats .

Comments

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 6:15 utc | 90
 
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Tom, I employ simple reasoning and logic that any adult should be able to follow.
 
How did Nixon make the call?
 
And how did the astronauts survive the radiation belt?
 
Neither of those queries require a STEM education to answer.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 8:07 utc | 101

Oops lol I meant “Jonestown Massacre” above. Probably look like an idiot now but I was ‘multi-tasking’….

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 8:07 utc | 102

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 8:07 utc | 101
 
LAME AF.
 
Provide starting points and potential footnotes. Otherwise you’re just wasting my time like you waste that of so many others. 
 
But thank you for admitting you have no experience with rigorous mathematics, physics or other science and continuing to play this stupid little cat and mouse game about where you really live.
 
I have to say you’re one of the more annoying obsessive MoA commenters and while sometimes I agree with you, most of the time I just wonder why you think posting non-stop 24/7 without ever even bothering to credential your ideas let alone your qualifications upon which to base those ideas, is remotely moving any conversation forward.
 
From here on out I ignore you. Change my mind if you want. If you don’t want to, fine. Cya. You’re a waste of time regurgitating other peoples’ thoughts without a single original idea of your own. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 8:10 utc | 103

Lunar landers, feel free to explain in technical detail how America defeated the Van Allen radiation belt and how Nixon called the astronauts on a landline on live TV. Use science, please.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 7:55 utc | 97
 
YOU use science and be a LOT more specific, troll-until-further-info is provided/articulated. At the very fucking least be specific. FFS 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 8:12 utc | 104

Can anyone other than LD articulate the concept of a Gaussian shell without using google? 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 8:13 utc | 105

Yes, “utterly brilliant” science and engineering are repeatable.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 8:01 utc | 100
 

 
In the absence of constraints anything is repeatable.  However, the US government chose to fund the DoD over NASA.  The Vietnam War continued after the last Apollo mission.  Concurrently, Nixon ended the convertibility of the US dollar to gold.
 

Posted by: too scents | Feb 14 2026 8:14 utc | 106

https://theconversation.com/space-radiation-the-apollo-crews-were-extremely-lucky-120339
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/7wvytc/how_did_the_apollo_spacecrafts_get_past_the_van/
 
https://blogs.esa.int/orion/2022/12/10/the-van-allen-belts-are-they-dangerous/
 
For fuck’s sake. At least start from a reasonable point. Does some EQUIPMENT need to be shielded, and more importantly what about on the lunar surface which is really the debate here. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 8:16 utc | 107

@Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 8:12 utc | 104
The article you referred to in a previous comment ‘proved ‘ the info about what they could see from the Lunar Orbiter. I checked out those photos maybe around 2011. I happen to remember that before I commented about it on the web there were suspicious whitish and highly unnatural frames around the purported pictures of the Apollo landers. After I wrote that (but I dont assume it was because of my comments), it turned out many photos vanished but there were now new ones but this time without the whitish frames. Now there were darker frames. Better but still unnatural. I pointed out that it was a good sign that the US didnt consult better graphics expertise because if they had they could have made  a much better fake than was the case. You can think for yourself how much any other photo from the Lunar Orbiter may be trusted if it claims to show whatever item.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 8:21 utc | 108

I’m sure the ISS, also manned and maintained by Russians is also fake. 
 

How long can humans remain in such a particle radiation environment before it becomes dangerous?
Astronauts have survived in low-Earth orbit for long duration missions, several months up to years, especially when you accumulate time over various missions for a single astronaut, but the International Space Station provides a good deal of shielding. They regularly pass through the Van Allen belts, especially the inner belt, and through a region known as the South Atlantic Anomaly which is present due to the offset of the Earth’s magnetic field relative to the centre of mass. The magnetic field here is slightly weaker and those protons can reach farther down to the altitudes the Space Station transits, however this is not the harshest part of the belt. Crucially, particle radiation coming from outside the magnetosphere – from solar and galactic origins – are heavily attenuated by the Earth’s magnetosphere. This will not be the case for the upcoming Artemis missions, including the lunar Gateway. How long someone can remain in such environments depends a lot on the shielding afforded, which location you are in and the level of risk you are willing to take. Indeed survival itself is open to interpretation and increased risk of death over the lifetime of the astronaut is aimed to be kept at a very low probability. In this context there are fixed limits for astronauts and the role of space mission designers and operators is to keep the astronauts below the mission and short-term limits.

 
Admitting to zero understanding of physics and mathematics is at least being honest. 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 8:23 utc | 109

You can think for yourself how much any other photo from the Lunar Orbiter may be trusted if it claims to show whatever item.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 8:21 utc | 108
 
So let’s doubt any satellite photos without obvious fakery, then, right? Those of Iran, Russia and China? 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 8:24 utc | 110

“Many of the engineers working on major aspects of the moon mission, were utterly brilliant.”
@Rocketdyne | Feb 14 2026 7:39 utc | 94
Many of the young engineers recruited from the universities were offered not to to go to Vietnam if they joined freemasonry.
Note that John Glenn only got the 33rd grade in freemasonry after he went up with the space shuttle long after his trip in the 1960s 
Those who were burned alive in one early Appolo Capsule on the ground didnt behave like a freemason is supposed to and lojalty is a must in the brotherhood, so such treason couldnt be allowed.
It turns out a former paper clip member, a german exile from the rocket base in Nazi Germany was the only individual who was allowed to handle the shaft in both the Gemini and Apollo projects. On one occasion an american technician wanted to help the astronauts but was strongly reproached by that german. The reason for this arrangement was that the capsules all went up empty and the astronauts were conducted to the shelter under the launch platform.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 8:41 utc | 111

@Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 8:24 utc | 110
Why should we not trust China?
But the USSR according to Dmitri Khalezov faked their 2nd Lunar robotic lander but not the first. 
The USSR collaborated with the US with the fakery of Apollo Soyuz. From 1973 to 1989 and later the Soviets never broke the secret since they were well paid obtaining all the hitech items the highly competitive US could offer. Including critical technology for building deadly weapons. I guess that was the realisation of the MAD strategy.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 8:47 utc | 112

I’d rather know what’s going on in Russia with WA and TG. In the amc barely anyone feels compelled to report, even less to analyse or comment. There’s a ZH report and one or two mentions in mlb, that’s it.

Posted by: umuntu | Feb 14 2026 10:34 utc | 113

I’d rather know what’s going on in Russia with WA and TG. In the amc barely anyone feels compelled to report, even less to analyse or comment. There’s a ZH report and one or two mentions in mlb, that’s it.
Posted by: umuntu | Feb 14 2026 10:34 utc | 113
 
WA? TG? amc? mlb?

Posted by: Asian Frog | Feb 14 2026 10:43 utc | 114

It’s called abysmal idiocy. The reason morons think Apollo was fake is because they can’t comprehend or accept how vastly superior some people are. Many of the engineers working on major aspects of the moon mission, were utterly brilliant.
Posted by: Rocketdyne

 
I grew up close by the Downey Factory where the Apollo Command Module and Service Module were deceloped and builts.  As a child, I must of heard hundreds upon hundreds of hours of these Engineers , who lived in the neighborhood, chatting gregariously over technical issues they were solving at Bar-be-ques, baseball games, birthday parties, pool parties, and picnics.  People who are involved in a supet duper secret generally keep mum. These Engineers weren‘t mum, on the contrary, they go on and on and on about everything.
BTW – I have a couple of rolls of original Hasselblad developed photos. These aren’t prints, but decveloped  raw rolls. Nothing is amiss. Most of the photos have a amatuerish snap shot wuslity about them. And yes a few of the images are messed up with typical film era snafus. 
 
 

Posted by: Exile | Feb 14 2026 11:00 utc | 115

All of the above contribute to the inability of victims and others, wishing to stop them, unable to do so.  Smaller nations cannot defeat the USA for sure but if they stand together in an alliance , then the outcome is not so certain Posted by: watcher | Feb 14 2026 7:59 utc | 99
Eventually, yes, “justice” will prevail. But I was talking of the here and now. No is daring to attack any US resources (except for the Houthis who have nothing to lose (but their chains!)). This is allowing the US a free rein to intimidate everyone it wishes to. Of course I wish “eventually” happens “quickly”, but the current status is really frustrating.
 

Posted by: india-guy | Feb 14 2026 11:44 utc | 116

TDS_Q_Collins @103: “play this stupid little cat and mouse game about where you really live.”
 
 
Do you expect him to come out of the closet, or out from under the bridge, as the case may be, and admit he is a middle-aged dude living in his boomer parents’ basement in some generic American suburb? Anyway, excessive outright and overt lying is discouraged by most of the organizations providing the paychecks for this kind of work because that would look bad if it gets revealed in Congressional testimony. You wouldn’t want Congress to feel obligated to enact some performative regulations on the social media marketing industry, would you?
 
 

“…while sometimes I agree with you…”

 
 
A bit of sugar is necessary to get the target to swallow the poison. Modern astroturfing involves more than just jumping into an online community and doing the hard sell. For example, if they are assigned to infest a classic car enthusiasts’ forum then they have to assume the appearance of an antique car fan and provide some content first to buy them local credibility. Perhaps they would give themselves the screen name “LoveChevyVega” or “LoveAMCPacer” because they think that would impress the car enthusiasts. They don’t have to actually be car enthusiasts themselves and can just rip content from TwitterX.
 
 
Anyway, both yourself and the poster in question have a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome, so you at least have that in common. I am confident the disorder is genuine in LoveTDS’ case and not part of the disguise to fit in with the community here like the claim to be a Muslim is.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 14 2026 12:33 utc | 117

@ Caliman | Feb 14 2026 3:49 utc | 76
 
Louis Proyect lives! — and, not surprisingly, at Counterpunch.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 14 2026 12:56 utc | 118

In the absence of a nuke, how difficult would it be to use the tons of existing 60% enriched U in warheads as “dirty” bombs?  They could contaminate the 2 major cities such that they would be inhabitable for decades.  Even dirty missiles that were intercepted above the country would fall to earth and add to the contam.  Also a dedicated and concentrated attack with their best missiles on Dimona could smash their reactors and add to the contam.  

Posted by: Migmaw | Feb 14 2026 13:23 utc | 119

No is daring to attack any US resources (except for the Houthis who have nothing to lose
Posted by: india-guy | Feb 14 2026 11:44 utc | 116
 
Everyone for themselves is ok in theory. What is funny is that they all support and pay for US attacks even against themselves. Which shows that there is a very well organized team working for US/Nato within those states, including Russia. In Russia’s case they pay for all attacks since 2014, which is insane. And they want NS to be repaired so they can fund Nato more. So when they say they’re fighting for international law and people’s right or whatever, while they unanimously sanction Yemen with their “enemies”, it’s hard to watch.
They can’t even be bothered to simulate it for the peasants. The Russian surrender team (which was just changed, it’s back to the losers who kept stopping the smo in the first two years to help Ukr reorganize and receive new weapons) is forced to go to Geneva (which others refused before, claimed it is not a neutral country) and take orders from Budanov (who is wanted for terrorism and just shot on the street one of the colleagues of the previous team) 
The time before the script tested in Syria and Venezuela will be applied in Russia is getting close and you won’t be able to blame the fighting guys who will let it happen, they will have run out of lemons to eat by that time

Posted by: rk | Feb 14 2026 13:43 utc | 120

Posted by: Caliman | Feb 14 2026 3:49 utc | 76
 
Someone’s mad his sponsor’s starlink got destroyed and zionazis got killed.
 
How many times has Maduro been called a dictator in CP in 2026?
 
CP  supports every interstate conflict the West promotes except the one that would expose them: Israel. All the lies about Syria, Hamas, Libya, etc,  especially Russia, get barfed up on CP day in and day out. (Not VZ, to be fair. CP is a big tent that values diversity. Cf all the B Sanders posts at CP.)
 
Once again the millions of Iranians killed by the West don’t exist. But all the “crimes” of the Iranian govt are “real.” 
 
This is the “antiwar” CP. No wonder Bezos folded shop on WaPo. Though to be fair, I never read some batshit dumbass praising nuclear energy on counterpunch. Not in 25 years. So people can do science and history when they want. 
 
Of course the moon landing was fake. If they wanted us to believe, they should have  filmed it in i max. It just looks so two dimensional. Put James Cameron on the remake. Or the Russo brothers. 

Posted by: Duck n cover | Feb 14 2026 14:10 utc | 121

“Louis Proyect lives! — and, not surprisingly, at Counterpunch.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 14 2026 12:56 utc | 118
 
well noted.
almost curious how that operation responds to Chomsky’s outing.
certainly a good example of the reality we face in this country.
you can barely see the bars of your thought prison.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Feb 14 2026 14:16 utc | 122

any Venn diagrams showing overlap between Moonshot deniers and UFOlogists?

Posted by: Not Ewe | Feb 14 2026 14:30 utc | 123

The US military calls it “cultural assault” and “ultimate biological warfare”.

“Chaos Theory and Strategic Thought

With this ideological virus as our weapon, the United States should move to the ultimate biological warfare and decide, as its basic national security strategy, to infect target populations with the ideologies of democratic pluralism and respect for individual human rights. With a strong American commitment, enhanced by advances in communications and increasing ease of global travel, the virus will be self-replicating and will spread in nicely chaotic ways. Our national security, therefore, will be best assured if we devote our efforts to winning the minds of countries and cultures that are at variance with ours. This is the sole way to build a world order that is of long duration (though, as we have seen, it can never achieve absolute permanence) and globally beneficial. If we do not achieve this ideological change throughout the world, we will be left with only sporadic periods of calm between catastrophic reorderings.

A tangible implication of this analysis is a sharp increase in support for the United States Information Agency, the National Endowment for Democracy, and the numerous private-sector exchange and educational programs. This programs lie at heart of an aggressive national security strategy.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20170117010919/http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/Articles/1992/1992%20mann.pdf

There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing.“
press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1829&context=parameters

Posted by: p3t3r | Feb 14 2026 14:56 utc | 124

The west has lied about so many things in my life.  Many before it and there will be many afterwards.  I give the lunar landing a probable grade.  For most; science is a trust in others observations as most will never repeat them. It will remain so even if China or Russia make the claim. I like science, I do not deny it’s power.  Beliefs in all  myriad shapes and forms  brought us here to where we are right now.  Alot of these beliefs are being shattered as I type this.  What we believe can be dangerous too others and should not be a given. IMO of course.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 14 2026 15:02 utc | 125

Posted by: p3t3r | Feb 14 2026 14:56 utc | 125

Darth Vader just wanted Peace in the Galaxy too….🤷‍♀️🤫

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 15:37 utc | 126

Posted by: p3t3r | Feb 14 2026 14:56 utc | 125
Darth Vader just wanted Peace in the Galaxy too….🤷‍♀️🤫
 
Darth Vader is a product of a coordinated smear campaign. The Rebal Alliance is a color revolution sponsored by the usual elite psychopaths. 

Posted by: Milton | Feb 14 2026 15:58 utc | 127

@Exile | Feb 14 2026 11:00 utc | 115
The americans had superior semiconductor technology but the rockets didnt perform according to the official narrative. One uncut amateur film inadvertently proves that the purported Saturn rocket travelled 3 times slower. And passed the cloud ceiling much delayed. That is the trajectory actually carried out could only be a parabolic one ending in the sea shortly after launch. It was americas microprocessors that really won the cold war. But nobody wants to admit that they sold them to the USSR for use in cruisemissiles. It was in all likelihood the technological elite in the USSR who understood that the cold war was lost and that a new system was necessary. So the US did the right thing not to humiliate the USSR.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 16:02 utc | 128

I’d rather know what’s going on in Russia with WA and TG. In the amc barely anyone feels compelled to report, even less to analyse or comment. There’s a ZH report and one or two mentions in mlb, that’s it.
Posted by: umuntu | Feb 14 2026 10:34 utc | 113
On Whatsapp and Telegram in Russia, see latest Stratpol video : https://stratpol.com/
you just have to speak french 🙂
 
 

Posted by: America is defeated | Feb 14 2026 16:15 utc | 129

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2026 8:10 utc | 103
 
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When you attack the person, you’re still not making the argument.
 
Still no answer about the phone call.
 
I perpetually live in Plato’s cave, surrounded by Americans who, while intelligent, cannot question Imperial mythology with simple logic.
 
Is it because people sense that if the lunar landing was faked, what else may have been faked, and that is a scary rabbit hole to ponder?
 
The two questions remain. I am making zero claims. I am asking simple questions. If one can answer them, great.  If not, then surely such fundamental questions are cause for deeper scrutiny.
 
I am not a scientist, one doesn’t need training in physics to understand simple logic.
 
If Nixon couldn’t make the call, then did he make the call?
 
And if he didn’t make the call, then why the big made for TV production?
 
These are elementary things to consider if one is seeking truth and understanding.
 
I would be very impressed, truly, if someone could explain what has been to this point unexplainable.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 16:18 utc | 130

How did the Flags go to the Moon then? 🤦‍♀️

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 16:23 utc | 131

TQC – Sorry, night time in California … didn’t respond. You asked what I would think the govt of Iran should do. As a non-Iranian, though originally of Iranian extraction, it is not my place to say. Other nations, like the Cubans, with far fewer resources, have survived far better and longer and Not lost the majority of their people despite the deprivations by the west. But the Cubans didn’t have outright thieves and mass killers leading them, so there’s that. I personally think it may be too late for the IR … if you have lost the conservatives of the Bazaar, there’s not much left other than brute force and paid agents and that can’t last long in this pressurized environment.
 
To the people here who think “resistance” countries are somehow “good guys” and disbelieve the killing, thievery, and torture, this is childish stuff. Assad’s torturers did kill thousands and tens of thousands in horrific ways … that his replacement is even worse does not negate the former. To be able to keep this balance in one’s mind, to always support self-determination, but not by hiding our eyes from reality, that’s the trick, I think. 

Posted by: Caliman | Feb 14 2026 16:24 utc | 132

LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 16:18 utc | 131
 
“When you attack the person …” 
 
Ha ha ha ha ha … wow, you are really a fool … 
 

Posted by: Caliman | Feb 14 2026 16:26 utc | 133

 
The NYT went on to listen a number of Iranian expat groups allegedly involved in the endeavor. In the end all of them seemed to be in one or another way financed and organized by the U.S. of A

Is the purported value of these operations worth the very likely possibility of the people running these systems being easily captured? Cost vs value does not seem to be appreciated by the higher ups since these ops obviously are not going to accomplish anything substantial and are more than likely going to get the people and their circles caught. I mean it looks like the people in charge do not understand the reality of what is technically feasible and what is sure to lead to catastrophe.

 

Posted by: Kana | Feb 14 2026 16:32 utc | 134

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 8:47 utc | 112
 
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As (presumably) an adult, you should trust no one, IMO.
 
Every person and every cohort has interests.
 
I would not trust the Chinese, the Americans, or the Pope. What anyone says always conforms to a binary. It is either true or it is not. Trust is a heuristic which is often exploited by bad actors, that is how conmen and politicians do their thing.
 
Reagan’s line, “trust but verify” was wise, but apparently not to be applied to Imperial mythology.
 
I don’t know why, but I can imagine several reasons why other states may want to promote and maintain their opponent’s lies.
 
I mean, we tell our old lady that she looks great before going out, whether she does or not.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 16:35 utc | 135

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 16:23 utc | 132
 
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Asking questions… Bold move. I approve.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 16:36 utc | 136

Posted by: Caliman | Feb 14 2026 16:26 utc | 134
 
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You and I have never had a debate. You’re a crypto-Zionist who revels in the mass murder of your supposed kin group.
 
You’re buttmad that I call it out for what it is because I use your own words to expose you.
 
I’m not bringing outside data or evidence, just your own repeated pro Zionist claims.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 16:39 utc | 137

@129
Cold war was lost because Gorbachev gave the US a free win.
In 1993 Gorbachev admitted his treason:
“It’s not that I do nothing. I analyze the situation and take a stand on the major problems, and I do so with with all acuity. I am not dispassionate like an observer from outside observer, because whatever happens today is connected to what what I started in 1985. The Gorbachev era is not over, it is only just beginning.”

“And Gorbachev had to steer the ship of perestroika through the cliffs. through the cliffs. You couldn’t announce things that the people weren’t ready for. people were not yet ready for. I would have been declared crazy, the people would have been torn apart, it could have led to civil war. We had to be patient until the party bureaucracy was so disempowered that it could no longer turn the wheel of history, that it could no longer turn back the wheel of history. In the end In the end, the party no longer had enough steam to drive, its strength just enough to sound the horn one last time.”

“If you take my statements, then you will realize that my political political sympathies belong to social democracy and to the idea of a a welfare state along the lines of the Federal Republic of Germany.”(machine translation)
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-13855239.html

Posted by: p3t3r | Feb 14 2026 16:46 utc | 138

“I don’t know why, but I can imagine several reasons why other states may want to promote and maintain their opponent’s lies.” @LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 16:35 utc | 136
You do know why.
Nations like people make priorities. Does China and Russia have enough of conflicts with the US already?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 16:53 utc | 139

Posted by: p3t3r | Feb 14 2026 16:46 utc | 139
 
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As adults, we all know that nothing is free.
 
I imagine there is a lot of quid pro quo between the big states.
 
The Russian civilization underwent a crisis and emerged changed. That has happened to China and Persia many times.
 
The fall of the USSR was unremarkable in a historical sense. That happens to everyone eventually. America may be entering its first such existential phase.
 
I have little doubt that the Russians and Chinese perceive that.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 16:56 utc | 140

@p3t3r | Feb 14 2026 16:46 utc | 139
The technological elite in the USSR realised that the cold war was lost due to the US having superior technology. That was easier for the US than if they had actually spent the resources on rockets and space journeys, but it was nonetheless an important factor when the cold war was decided. Knowing that they had lost there was  a need to capitulate without losing face and Gorby was the man for that task no matter how much he actually understood of the technological aspect.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 16:59 utc | 141

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 16:53 utc | 140
 
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While it is possible that I am unaware of what I know, I approach most things as questions.
 
Only by asking questions can we learn. The person with all of the answers has maxed out their growth.
 
I’d be careful attributing motives to someone one has not interacted with. Politics is a game of shaping perceptions to reach accord without going straight to violence.
 
The Chinese play a very long game. The Persians even longer. Neither culture is purely Capitalist or liberal democratic. Their aims may as well be alien to most Western minds.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 17:06 utc | 142

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Feb 14 2026 0:42 utc | 60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkcS3FQfjKI
 
<=thank you Elmer Fudd your posted link is outstanding.. it explains in vivid detail that patriotic Americans are very different from the Epstein elite, too big to fail, MIC, and the mafia chieftains they appoint to run the USA. 

Posted by: snake | Feb 14 2026 17:08 utc | 143

Does the Bar know whether ‘ Hide me ‘ vpn is trustworthy? 
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Feb 13 2026 18:18 utc | 25

Why would you think any vpn is any more or less trustworthy than any other company? Many “free” vpns route other users’ traffic through your connection, many are government assets, some are data collectors themselves.If any are legitimately “good”, they’ll soon be acquired, one way or another, by the bad actors.

Posted by: The Owl | Feb 14 2026 17:17 utc | 144

I am not a scientist, one doesn’t need training in physics to understand simple logic. If Nixon couldn’t make the call, then did he make the call?
 

Yes he made the call. He spoke on a landline phone,via a radio link through NASA. A bit like you do with your mobile phone these days. I expect there was a significant delay, so they would have had to film it and edit it down to remove the gaps. 

And if he didn’t make the call, then why the big made for TV production?

He did make the call. The big made for TV was pure propaganda for that phase of the Cold War. It wasn’t called the Space Race for nothing.

These are elementary things to consider if one is seeking truth and understanding. I would be very impressed, truly, if someone could explain what has been to this point unexplainable.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 16:18 utc | 131

It’s inexplicable because you’ve seen too many YT videos telling you it was fake.
If you want truth and understanding, bring your own discernment and make sure you use it lest you become a flat-earther.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 14 2026 17:25 utc | 145

Yes he made the call.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 14 2026 17:25 utc | 146
 
That is a rather definite statement. Can you prove it?
I ask because several have claimed this as absolute truth, yet not one has provided proof when asked to. Can you?
 
Also, you could calculate the delay.~ 250k to moon at signal speed (~c).  It’s about 1.5s one way. 
 
TIA
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 17:36 utc | 146

Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 14 2026 17:25 utc | 146
 
######
 
I haven’t seen any videos about the lunar landing except for footage of the broadcast. I wasn’t born yet, as with nukes, I had to do my own research, starting from a blank slate.
 
It is a very poor argument to attribute bias to me when there is no way you could know what I have or have not seen or thought before, and it misses the point of the argument. You’re arguing about me, not about the question.
 
It is more robust to answer the questions I have posed.
 
I know this is a maddening dialectic to confront, but it is one I have tried to hone and master.
 
I am irrelevant. I am a loser. I am a martian. I am an idiot.
 
Still, how was the call made?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 17:42 utc | 147

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 7:55 utc | 97
—————
This is for the Van Allen belt:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Van+Allen+radiation+belt&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-be&client=safari#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:9fcd5218,vid:o46n2-TuJdU,st:12
For the astronauts that went to the moon, the transit duration through the belt was probably short, hence their exposure to radiation.
Three principles to manage radiation exposure:
Time, distance, shielding.

Posted by: scc | Feb 14 2026 17:53 utc | 148

The fool known as LD – No, fool, I called out your utterly transparent hypocrisy of calling someone out for a personal attack when you do little else here. 
 
I have no liking for empire of any kind, Anglo, Zionist, or other. But unlike the fanboys here, I don’t close my eyes to the nastiness of the so-called resistance. It makes people look like idiots when you deny the killing, the torture, and the tyranny. And it’s so unnecessary: if self determination is indeed a value, then it should stand on its own and not need gilding. Our responsibility, if we live in the empire, is to stop our own side from interference, not to pick who wins out in foreign lands about which we know very little.   
 
That which is venerable, I venerate; that which is execrable, I execrate.

Posted by: Caliman | Feb 14 2026 17:54 utc | 149

The Chines play a long game
@LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 17:06 utc | 143
Kon Fu Tse taught them that officials were to be honest.
Morally highstanding.
That doesnt mean they cant do tricks when needed but doing fake science why would they do that? They intend to put people on the moon. Russia and China will build a moon base. Musk has recently changed plans and is rapidly moving in that direction too.
Remember that the americans said they won the cold war because they were better poker players. For China there isnt much to gain from pretending.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 17:56 utc | 150

“probably short”
@scc | Feb 14 2026 17:53 utc | 149
Impressive

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 18:00 utc | 151

We all DO understand that the US and the USSR may have actually gone to the moon AND also engaged in all manner of fake PR style trappings to maximize the value of the endeavor, right? Fake, pre recorded calls and film and etc. may have been used because the real thing is often fuzzy and mundane and unimpressive? 

Posted by: Caliman | Feb 14 2026 18:01 utc | 152

@142
US technology was not superior. In some areas it was ahead and behind in others.
The US lost every war since WW2, was militarily weaker (needed nukes as “great equalizer”), had 15% living in poverty and did not have a space station. Without looting and ruining the rest of the world at gunpoint the bankrupt US regime would have collapsed decades ago.

“Never before has a bankrupt nation dared insist that its bankruptcy become the foundation of world economic policy; that, because of its bankruptcy, all the nations what their economies transferring its bankruptcy to themselves, stultifying their industries, and paying tribute to the beggar.”

“Effectively speaking, the United States has compelled the older nations of the West to pay for the overseas costs of the US war in Asia. Whatever they may desire, the central banks of Europe had no choice but to continue to except the paper dollar equivalents annually created as the domestic and overseas deficit of the United States increase. Otherwise, the whole of shaky structure of the world monetary system will collapse into rubble. America has succeeded in forcing other nations to pay for its wars on a systematic basis, something never before accomplished by any nation in history .”
https://michael-hudson.com/books/super-imperialism-the-economic-strategy-of-american-empire/

In contrast to that the USSR overcame poverty and helped other countries to do the same against fierce resistance of their colonial masters that did not want to loose their source of wealth. Gorbachev and other revisionists wanted to stop that and return back to capitalism to enrich themselves: “If you take my statements, then you will realize that my political political sympathies belong to social democracy and to the idea of a a welfare state along the lines of the Federal Republic of Germany.”

Posted by: p3t3r | Feb 14 2026 18:25 utc | 153

Posted by: Caliman | Feb 14 2026 18:01 utc | 153
 
#####
 
Soviet Cosmonauts did not orbit or land on the moon. They did crewed flybys.
 
Which then prompts the question, how close were the flybys?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 18:29 utc | 154

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 18:00 utc | 152
——————
I didn’t waste my time in computing the transit duration of a vessel speeding at 11,2 km/s which is the earth gravity liberation speed. 

Posted by: scc | Feb 14 2026 18:36 utc | 155

@LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 18:29 utc | 155
The USSR did not make human-crewed flybys just with – if I recall correctly steppe tortoises or something. The US also made an unmanned flyby and that was  a way of obtaining authentic photos of the earth from the Moon. The Soviet large rocket intended for the moon(?) exploded and killed over a hundred scientists on the ground.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 18:44 utc | 156

But since you seems wanting more explanation here is the result of the query:

At a speed of 11.2 km/s (which is roughly Earth escape velocity), a spacecraft traversing the Van Allen belts would experience a total transit time of approximately
50 to 70 minutes to pass through the primary radiation regions (both inner and outer). 
Here is a breakdown of the calculations based on typical trajectory scenarios (like Apollo missions):
 
The Calculation

  • Speed: 11.2 km/s
  • Estimated Thickness (Path length):While the belts are very thick, a fast trajectory (especially if not passing directly through the center of the inner belt) covers roughly 35,000–45,000 km of high-radiation space during a lunar trajectory. 

Time=DistanceSpeed
Time=DistanceSpeed

Time=40,000km11.2km/s≈3,571seconds
Time=40,000km11.2km/s≈3,571seconds

3,571 seconds≈59.5minutes
3,571seconds≈𝟓𝟗.𝟓minutes

 
Historical Data (Apollo Missions)
NASA mission planners specifically aimed to minimize this time. 

  • Total Time: Historical records indicate that the Apollo missions spent roughly 52 to 68 minutes passing through the most intense parts of the radiation belts.
  • Inner Belt: The more dangerous inner belt (high-energy protons) was passed in roughly 15 minutes.
  • Outer Belt: The less penetrating outer belt (electrons) took about 40–50 minutes. 

 
Summary
Traveling at 11.2 km/s through the Van Allen belt results in a relatively short, non-lethal exposure time of about one hour, allowing for safe passage with proper shielding.
———
As explained in the video posted above,
the spacecraft has sufficient shielding which, combined with a short transit time, ensured the astronauts did not suffer damaging radiation exposure.

Posted by: scc | Feb 14 2026 18:45 utc | 157

Still, how was the call made?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 17:42 utc | 148

It’s complicated.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 14 2026 18:45 utc | 158

They intend to put people on the moon. Russia and China will build a moon base.
 
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 17:56 utc | 151
 
#####
 
This is a topic I follow quite closely. They haven’t talked about a manned base. They have talked about an automated listening post on the dark side (so facing outward to the galaxy) with a fusion reactor powering it.
 
If you’ve read “Remembrance of Earth’s Past“, the Chinese focus on signals and extra-dimensional life will all make sense.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 18:52 utc | 159

Remember that the americans said they won the cold war because they were better poker players.
 
For China there isnt much to gain from pretending.
 
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 17:56 utc | 151
 
#####
 
There is a lot to gain, IMO. If my theory of what China has been doing for decades is correct, then it makes sense to enable the US, the way they enabled the US by buying treasuries to stave off the 2008 crash.
 
The Chinese think differently. They believe they will be around in 1,000 years. That is a long time to wait out the West, if it comes to that.
 
It’s like a boxing match where one guy wants to win by knockout in the first round and has trained for that.
 
The other guy has trained to go 10 rounds and has the stamina and strategy to pace himself.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 18:59 utc | 160

There is no hope for this species.
 
Just the Moon Landing issue alne shows how pointless it is to use reason or ask for proof.  
 
Unbacked claims and rationalizations, special pleading, special knowledge……. but always, NO PROOF.
 
Worse, thing presented as ‘proof’ that are nothing but more unbacked assertion by people apparently not quite smart enough to even know what ‘proof’ is.
 
The dumber they are, the more sure they are that they are correct.

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 19:01 utc | 161

“If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”
― Sun Tzu
 
The West does not think like that. They won’t outwait an opponent, wait for the opponent to succumb to entropy, or to make a fatal mistake.
 
The Chinese (and to a lesser degree, the Russians) have everything to gain from supporting Western domestic propaganda.
 
It’s like your competitor is a drunk, so you make sure a case of beer is delivered to him before the conflict. You didn’t make him drink it, but you provided the means of his self-destruction in a public goodwill gesture.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 19:04 utc | 162

154 – The CPSU must have been pretty decadent if someone with Gorbachev’s politics could get to the top with political views like that. He professed to be surprised when NATO expanded east – it is hard to see a Lenin or a Stalin being so naive. 

Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 14 2026 19:15 utc | 163

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 16:59 utc | 142

And why was that? Because overbording Bureaucracy/Paranoia/Oppression snuffed out any Goodwill/Enthusiasm in the Population! Rings a Bell? Coming to the Wastern World next….

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 19:16 utc | 164

“And how did the astronauts survive the radiation belt?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 8:07 utc | 101”
 
Either they had a real machine designed by real intelligent people, built by real intelligent people, and operated by real intelligent people, or… maybe they survived the radiation belt the same way liars and frauds do: by having some non-existent deity spurt out a non-existent magical flying pony and sending it to earth to have it pick up his favorite liar and fraud (piss be upon him) and fly him to a non-existent place for a non-existent face-to-face conversation with aforesaid non-existent deity. Since you actually believe in magical flying ponies made up by liars and frauds and believed in only by brainless gullible morons such as yourself, I’m sure you’ll be explaining any time now how that magical flying pony helped the liar and fraud survive the radiation during his made-up bullshit trip to talk to the made-up bullshit deity in the made-up bullshit place.
 
Congratulations, troll, by posting your intolerably stupid shit about the most significant real event in human history, a real trip (several trips, actually) from the earth to a real place that wasn’t earth, by people who didn’t need to lie to gullible morons, just solve real engineering problems you couldn’t begin to understand, you’ve wasted my time twice in the last year. Pat yourself on the back for your brilliant accomplishment, troll. Preferably with a sharp dagger.

Posted by: Dalit | Feb 14 2026 19:20 utc | 165

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 19:01 utc | 162
Additional.
 
I forgot one, they get all indignant about being challenged instead of just providing the proof (for the dim, that is not the same as ‘evidence’, ‘assertion’, ‘belief’, ‘dogma’, ‘experts say’, ‘I know’, ‘this video show’…….) of their claims of knowledge.   One so controlled by ego-defense is not rational.

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 19:29 utc | 166

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 19:01 utc | 162

There are Flags on the Moon! There is your Proof! Are you thick or what? 🤬

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 19:29 utc | 167

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 19:29 utc | 168
 
Thanks for the example. 

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 19:30 utc | 168

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 19:30 utc | 169

I take that as a “Yes”…🤷‍♀️🙄

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 19:31 utc | 169

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 19:31 utc | 170
 
Of course you do. See my points about your type above.
 

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 19:33 utc | 170

@scc | Feb 14 2026 18:45 utc | 158
The van Allen belts have toroidal shape so one may avoid most of the radiation if one sacrifices some fuel. But well outside the earth there may be bursts of intense radiation from the sun. Not common but sometimes very deadly. That is why they have to do more progress in cancer research to have means to cure human astronauts if there will be any travelling to Mars and so on.
I should add that I am not sure there is no additional radiation via the magnetic North pole. Otherwise that direction would take the vehicle outside those Belts.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 19:47 utc | 171

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 19:31 utc | 170

Ah, you are on of These People…🙄🙄🙄 Noted! 🤷‍♀️

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 19:48 utc | 172

Ah, you are on of These People…🙄🙄🙄 Noted! 🤷‍♀️
Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 19:48 utc | 173
 
Which people are “These People”? Let me see what assumption you are making now.  

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 19:53 utc | 173

IMO the whole earth is flat/moon landings were fake pilpul are TLA spawned pseudi-conspiracy theories injected into public discourse to discredit more genuine conspiracy theories.
They became prevalent during the scamdemic such that anyone who questioned the lockdowns or efficacy and safety of the jibby-jabs was immediately met with “Oh, I suppose you think the earth is flat/moon landings were fake…you nutter”.
Anybody pushing these canards needs to be treated with suspicion at best.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 14 2026 19:57 utc | 174

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 14 2026 19:47 utc | 172
—————-
No issue with what you write.
My original post was just to answer that of LD wondering how the astronauts of the missions moon survived the radiations from the Van Allen belt.
Radiations from the sun and specifically those from bursts at the sun surface is a well known problem. The astronauts from the space station are always warned when such burst occur.

Posted by: scc | Feb 14 2026 20:05 utc | 175

Re moon landing and stuff like that …..
 
Remember a few years ago how an Israeli unmanned moon-lander crashed?  
Part of its scientific cargo was some Tardigrades.
Israelis, being Khazarian, are of course not indigenous to Occupied Palestine.
But the tardigrades were….
The Israelis probably found it amusing to exile some Palestinian critters to the moon.
Tardigrades are almost indestructible.
So what if these exiles have thrived — on returning to the moon, might US astronauts be devoured by angry ten-foot tall mutated Tardigrades?

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 14 2026 20:23 utc | 176

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 19:53 utc | 174

Nope! I leave it vague like you! 🤫😘

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 22:09 utc | 177

Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 14 2026 19:57 utc | 175

Like Grok flooding the Sphere with AI Childporn before the PDFiles dropped….

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 22:10 utc | 178

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 22:09 utc | 178
 
Probably your smartest move of the day. Possibly the week.
 
After all, “better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt”

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 22:14 utc | 179

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Feb 14 2026 22:29 utc | 181
 
Nah. It was these guys. I even have video.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNLZntSdyKE

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 22:33 utc | 180

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 22:14 utc | 180

Whatever….🥳

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 22:34 utc | 181

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 22:34 utc | 183
 
Ah, yes.  What an erudite retort. /s
 
“Whatever”. The pathetic effort of ego saving by the unable to respond with anything of worth.
 
Pretend you did not just realize you have shown yourself to be a fool, repeatedly. Lie to yourself.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 22:47 utc | 182

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 22:33 utc | 182
 
Rubbish
 
It was Dr Dolittle on a moth.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 14 2026 23:35 utc | 183

My own theory on the whole moon landing stuff is that everyone is correct – to a point,
 
Yes I think some of the astronauts got there.
 
However in order to fudge over various potential PR disasters they also hired Hollywood to do some takes.  After all it was almost certain that there would be SOME embarrassing mishaps – someone falls over, equipment gets badly stuck, there is an obvious malfunction, one of the astronauts panics.  It was very PR moment, whole world watching so not exactly a strange thing to do. At least one PR mishap could be expected. Some (not all) of the fake filming gets included.
 
As for the later flights I am less convinced. My guess is that there were some SERIOUS problems,  I find it almost impossible to believe that the USA just gave up the project after apparent roaring success, and did not revisit for 60 years. Cost just does not cut it for me. They spend more on a useless aircraft carrier, no to mention F35s.
 
Politics with USSR maybe but if that were the case renewed interest in the 1990s may have been expected.
 
Possibly the long term health of the crew may have been the issue, but no one wants to say. Perhaps the Russian explosion and then their own may have been the reason, but again I would have expected more trials as technology improved.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 14 2026 23:50 utc | 184

Posted by: watcher | Feb 14 2026 23:50 utc | 186
I think the real reason they gave up on Apollo is that once you’ve gone to the moon and shown America to be #1, found neither cheese nor gold but mostly basalt, there is not much more to do other than esoteric experiments. Plus there was the disaster of Apollo 13.
It was ruinously expensive, though many engineering challenges were overcome, they only need to be done once before all that ‘space age tech’ could be monetised, right down to those amazing ball point pens.
In terms of utility, the space shuttle produced far more benefits, though even that got shut down once the body count started rising.
Eventually all those tech oligarch space programmes will suffer some tremendous accident and will slowly whither on the vine as ‘bad investments’. 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 15 2026 1:30 utc | 185

watcher | Feb 14 2026 23:50 utc | 186
*** It was very PR moment, whole world watching so not exactly a strange thing to do. At least one PR mishap could be expected. Some (not all) of the fake filming gets included.*** 
Had to have backup in case of accidents …. just think how bad it would look live if after popping round the lander Armstrong got his wotsit caught in the fly of his space-suit.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 15 2026 1:57 utc | 186

Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 22:47 utc | 184

You add to the Profile…Seems i am correct with my First Take…🥳

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 15 2026 2:01 utc | 187

You add to the Profile…Seems i am correct with my First Take…
Posted by: Nobody | Feb 15 2026 2:01 utc | 189
 
Wow. It is almost like I knew you were coming to the thread before you arrived. 
 
…..
The dumber they are, the more sure they are that they are correct.
Posted by: ftp | Feb 14 2026 19:01 utc | 162
…..
 
You really should go back and read from that one, then your first response. it is possible, though highly unlikely from your so far displayed, that you might be able to see where you made your first error, in the context of my post.
 
Let’s see.
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Feb 15 2026 2:30 utc | 188

Elon Musk’s Predictions for Mars TravelInitial Timeline
 
2001: Musk began advocating for Mars colonization.
2016: Proposed sending at least a million humans to Mars, with the first crewed mission potentially in 2024.2020: Expressed confidence in landing humans on Mars by 2026.
 
Recent Updates
 
2025: Musk indicated a slight chance of a crewed mission by late 2026, with a more realistic timeline suggesting an uncrewed mission in 2028 and a human flight around 2030.
February 2026: Announced a shift in focus from Mars to building a self-sustaining city on the Moon, citing faster development timelines.
 
The guy is such a fake attention seeker living in dreamland and will be long dead anybody will end up on mars.

Posted by: anon | Feb 15 2026 4:06 utc | 189

Still, how was the call made?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2026 17:42 utc | 148
_________________________________________
President Nixon called the astronauts on the moon using a telephone-radio transmission that was routed from the Oval Office to Houston and then to the Apollo Lunar Module, utilizing advanced communication technology developed for the mission. This call is considered one of the longest-distance phone calls ever made.
 
_________________________________________
 
As a human race we are complete mental retards. 

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Feb 15 2026 4:37 utc | 190

BillB | Feb 13 2026 20:03 utc | 36
Of course. But VPNs are themselves no trusted by anyone in Iran.No one uses them because the Iranian government is able to monitor them all.The closure of the internet is primarily to silence media organisations and journalists.
If you look closely at the ‘evidence’ of whatever peddled in the Western media it is all vague platitudes based on someone’s family who ‘spoke on the phone’ etc. or ‘photographic’ evidence that could have been shot anywhere.
One of the key ‘sources’ for the numbers of deaths for Western media has already been outed as a fraud and yet she was handing ‘evidence’ to all the big media players in the UK/US!
It is an exercise in manufacturing consent.

Posted by: Artem | Feb 15 2026 6:13 utc | 191

eps | Feb 14 2026 2:58 utc | 68
I thought they had already been transferred to Iraq.
But yes, of course they are a regional threat, and without question a threat to Iran, but also to Iraq: there are the PMF’s the mercenaries in Diyala, the Badr etc. all preparing for conflict. Accoring to what I have read, some will head to Lebanon to attack US/ Israel from there, some will defend Iran.
These could well be the target for the ISIS prisoners, or the prisoners may simply be held securely as a threat. One thing is certain, whoever helps these ISIS terrorists will be an immediate target in any large conflict. So, I doubt that they will be flooding through Iraq, Turkey or Azerbaijan into Iran. The border with Iraqi Kurdistan / Kordestan is the most likely route but that is very heabily controlled.

Posted by: Artem | Feb 15 2026 6:23 utc | 192

There are Flags on the Moon! There is your Proof! Are you thick or what?
Posted by: Nobody | Feb 14 2026 19:29 utc | 168
 

Armstrong’s famous moment marked the first time a flag was ever planted into the extraterrestrial surface — a landscape pocked with inactive volcanoes, impact craters, and lava flows.
The only problem is, it wasn’t actually the first time a flag was placed on the moon. We may have beaten the Soviets by putting the first man on the moon, but they get the credit for planting the first flag.

If your proof hangs off simple placement of a flag, you’re thicker than the recipient of your invective …
 
Jus’ sayin’

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 15 2026 7:59 utc | 193

Now I ave to ask, if Elon Musk is actively invovled in the war against Russia and Iran does that make him a legitimate target?
 
It just shows how deranged the west has become, act without the fear of consequences. How strange it might sound we’re lucky Russia, China and Iran are the adults in the room or we would have WWIII already.
 

Posted by: Isidoor | Feb 15 2026 9:49 utc | 194

Possibly the long term health of the crew may have been the issue, but no one wants to say.
 
Posted by: watcher | Feb 14 2026 23:50 utc | 186
 
I know they were chosen to be as fit as possible, but most of them lived to their 90’s, and can’t remember their having too strange diseases… (noticed when seeing the real persons (first batch of us astronauts) used as inspiration for characters in “for all of mankind”, big majority 90’s, some high 90’s)

Posted by: Newbie | Feb 15 2026 9:55 utc | 195

Starlink terminals do use GPS for positioning but they do not need to, they can also get their position from the Starlink satellites alone. Also, the GNSS chip in the terminals works on all the different GNSS systems in the world: GPS/Galileo/GLONASS/BeiDou/QZSSI don’t know if Iran blocked all of those systems, but they definitely did block starlink sattelites directly. Not just via blocking GPS.

Posted by: Chris | Feb 15 2026 10:31 utc | 196

extensive arguments against: Wagging the Moondoggie | The Center for an Informed America

Posted by: James Richard | Feb 15 2026 11:32 utc | 197

Posted by: ftp | Feb 15 2026 2:30 utc | 190

After a Night of Smugreplenishing Sleep, i find you just repeat your self…Well! Of to a Coffee…

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 15 2026 11:54 utc | 198

Posted by: Chris | Feb 15 2026 10:31 utc | 198
 
 
https://people.engineering.osu.edu/sites/default/files/2022-10/Kassas_Unveiling_Beamforming_Strategies_of_Starlink_LEO_Satellites.pdf
 
The paper demonstrates Starlink’s LEO signals can provide precise positioning (within 7.7 meters) entirely independent of GPS. By leveraging the Doppler shift of Starlink’s high-power beams, the research confirms the system is inherently spoof-resistant, validating that the constellation can function as a standalone navigation alternative in GPS-denied environments.
 
Leaked intelligence data suggest, Russia may have used the Tobol EW system to shift the dependant nanosecond timing synchronization during handshake between satellites and terminal.
 
I’m no expert, just basing on open source data. 
 

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Feb 15 2026 12:16 utc | 199

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/events/centennials/nixon/exhibit/nixon-online-exhibit-calls.html
 
National archive of the history ‘faked’ phone call.  They proudly show the ‘script papers titled ‘Talk to Men on the Moon’.   
 
An intelligent person would assess these historic moments are usually spontaneous and less scripted.  Judging by the amount of ‘blinking’ Nixon performs is no different than Zelensky our partner. 

Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Feb 15 2026 12:24 utc | 200