Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 9, 2026
Winter Strikes Kiev

Last night Ukraine was finally confronted with the consequences of attacking Russian infrastructure.

And no, I do not mean last nights Oreshnik strike on the large gas storage facility in west Ukraine. The seismic impulse from that strike likely damaged the geological structure that allowed the gas to be stored in caverns. It can now escape and has been seen burning. Those were the Ukrainian reserves for the rest of the winter. The strike was in revenge for the late December drone strike on Russia’s strategic command facility and Putin’s home near Novgorod. It was also a warning, mostly to Europe.

But the real hurt came with a medium-sized drone and missile strike on Kiev. At least three combined-thermal-electric facilities were taken out. These used to provide water, heating and electricity to the blocks of Soviet era high rises that cover much of Kiev. These strikes, as the Russian Ministry of Defense empathizes in its reports, are in retaliation for strikes on Russian infrastructure facilities. Russia at a time, offered a ceasefire on infrastructure strikes. Ukraine did not keep to it.

Now nearly half of Kiev’s high-rise apartments have lost water, heating and electricity supplies. This while the temperature has gone down to minus 20° Celsius at night. Municipal workers have started to drain (in Russian) all water from intra-house systems. Otherwise the risers and pipes would freeze and break open. But it also means that water and heat supplies will not come back to those high-rises until the temperatures are back in a positive Celsius range.

The buildings have thus become unlivable. Hundreds of thousands if not millions will have to live elsewhere.

The mayor of Kiev Vladimir Klitschko has called on residents to leave the capital:

Half of Kyiv’s apartment buildings, almost 6,000, are currently without heat supply after critical infrastructure in the capital was damaged in a large-scale Russian attack.

“Municipal workers have connected social facilities – in particular hospitals and maternity hospitals – to mobile boiler houses. And together with energy workers they are working to bring electricity and heat supply back to Kyiv residents’ homes,” Klitschko said.

He added that the combined attack on Kyiv on the night of 8-9 January was the most painful for the capital’s critical infrastructure facilities.

“City services are operating under emergency conditions. And unfortunately weather conditions are forecast to be difficult in the coming days.

I also appeal to residents of the capital who have the opportunity to temporarily leave the city and go where there are alternative sources of power and heat, to do so,” Klitschko concluded.

A similar situation exist in Dnipro, one of Ukraine’s most industrial cities, since yesterday.

During the war the parts of the Ukrainian population that were not directly involved in fighting seemed to have little interest in what was happening. There was still a lot of nightlife in Kiev, all goods were available and even the few short interruptions of electricity were not much to bother with.

This will now change. Electricity is off for most of the time. Shops are closing because running business on generators is unprofitable. Local public transport is mostly down. Longer range tail transport is interrupted. Apartments are unlivable. The consequences of the war have become personal.

This will change the mood even of those who want to prolong the war. The numbers of those willing to accept the loss of territory in exchange for peace will rise.

After a while a change of policies will follow for this.

Comments

Persiflo (and other interested folks),
     eugyppius had a write-up about the electrical infrastructure attack in Berlin.  The ‘Volcano’ group is though to be responsible.  The authorities haven’t tried very hard to stop them.  You have to subscribe to read the whole article, but the summary is sufficient.  
 

Posted by: stratus | Jan 10 2026 1:00 utc | 201

ah, well, that explains it. 

Posted by: annie | Jan 10 2026 1:01 utc | 202

All rise for the Oreshnik national anthem: Killing Joke – Asteroid

 I’m a ball of fireA fire from heavenTerror from nowhereYou’ll never shoot me down

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jan 9 2026 22:26 utc | 161
 
I vote for Boom Boom Out Go the Lights

Posted by: frithguild | Jan 10 2026 1:03 utc | 203

Posted by: Fredrick | Jan 10 2026 0:58 utc | 209
 
Because your masters are little chicken shits afraid to post videos proving otherwise…

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 10 2026 1:09 utc | 204

Zelensky cares less if his people freeze and starve. Instread Putin should destroy Zelensky’s ill gotten residences.  A more “ tactical” retaliation

Posted by: Willow | Jan 10 2026 1:19 utc | 205

Posted by: Willow | Jan 10 2026 1:19 utc | 214
 
Agree. Go ahead and blow up that little pervert’s mansion in Miami. They can’t stop it. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 10 2026 1:26 utc | 206

You’ll note four warheads impacted in close proximity to each other while the other two hit some other target, perhaps the rumored nearby NATO command bunker or another portion of the facility. … I doubt any gas remains in the facility, although it is possible some chambers remained intact, but it will take many months before they are found if the exist.  
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 9 2026 22:40 utc | 168
 
If one warhead had sufficient power and precision to totally disorganize the strata over the Bilche-Volytsko-Uherske underground gas storage enough to gork it permanently AND at the same time, with the same warhead but different vehicles, precisely TAKE OUT A NATO BUNKER – I dont know what to say anymore. “Katie bar the door” just doesnt fit. 

Posted by: frithguild | Jan 10 2026 1:26 utc | 207

@b
“The seismic impulse from that strike likely damaged the geological structure that allowed the gas to be stored in caverns.”

Utter and complete bullshit, which makes the rest of the article (however well documented) unpleasant to read.

Most of the views presented still make sense, but that is a big and unnecessary minus…

Posted by: MoaMetal | Jan 10 2026 1:27 utc | 208

In the US, gas wells could typically be on anything from 640 acre spacing down to 40 acres.  If we assume an average 80 acre spacing per well, then 341 wells would imply a land area of about 43 square miles (110 square kilometers for Canadian readers).  Pretty big area!  6 warheads in that area would not do much, roughly one warhead per 60 wells — unless they were targeted very specifically … but targeted at what?
 
Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jan 9 2026 22:28 utc | 164
 
**************
 
Remember, the difference here is that these wells are for storage, not extraction. The storage ”field’ is permeable strata, not a huge underground cavern or tank, so multiple injection locations to ‘soak up’ the gas would make sense?

Posted by: General Factotum | Jan 10 2026 1:28 utc | 209

I found a site that says ‘
interesting
‘ is a Jewish Surname.
 
Posted by: arby | Jan 10 2026 0:40 utc | 204
 
I’m looking to find out why nearly all high ranking Nazis had Jewish names.
 
Also wouldn’t mind knowing why this is of no interest to all who post here.
 
Not a single thought as to what was going on from any of you.

Posted by: interesting | Jan 10 2026 1:28 utc | 210

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxrKseERRrY
Martyanov (love him or hate him) provides a decent explanation.
Basically they use geology (sandstone with a clay cap ) and some caverns to store the gas.
Oreshnik broke the geology.
It cannot be fixed again.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 10 2026 1:34 utc | 211

Posted by: General Factotum | Jan 10 2026 1:28 utc | 218
 
The intellectual bullshit and psychological coping here is just hilarious. Russia just pulled down western elite’s pants and said “fuck you, you can’t stop it”… and they have no answer except, muh, well spacing… Laugh my ass off. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 10 2026 1:34 utc | 212

Why can’t the Untied States protect its tools?
 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 10 2026 0:19 utc | 197

 
Well, it’s not as if the USA protects its own citizens, you know.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2026 1:37 utc | 213

Not a single thought as to what was going on from any of you.
Posted by: interesting | Jan 10 2026 1:28 utc | 219

We know what’s going on – you’re trolling, tediously with an idiotic conspiracy theory.
That’s why you are being ignored.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 10 2026 1:37 utc | 214

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2026 1:37 utc | 222
 
Correct. They hate us and we hate them. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 10 2026 1:38 utc | 215

@psychohistorian re Reuters re oreshnik
 
By Tom Balmforth and Mariano Zafra Published Nov. 28, 2024 Last updated Jan. 9, 2026  12:34 PM GMT+1
 
Final paragraph (presumably from the 2024 piece, {I can’t see where it’s been “updated” reads like a cut n paste rehash to me}
 

Lewis cautioned that given the expense, using this type of ballistic missile to hit Ukraine might be more a psychological tactic than a military one.

 

“If were inherently terrifying, (Putin) would just use it.
But that’s not quite enough,” Lewis said, referring to the first attack.

 

“He had to use it and then do a press conference and then do another press conference and say: ‘Hey, this thing is really scary, you should be scared.’”

So. No one is scared. Good to know. Tis but a flesh wound.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 10 2026 1:38 utc | 216

This seems to be punishing the people because you can’t or won’t punish the ruling elites and their generals who actually push for and continue this war. The Ukrainian people never asked for it, only the Nazi elements who run the UK,EU,USA and Israel (aka The Empire).  Boris Johnson, Nuland, Von der Leyen should all be dead now (along with numbers of nameless Mi6/CiA lieutenants) through quick acting cancer or skiing accidents. The masses of the Empire wouldn’t even notice but the elites certainly would. Drop an ICBM on one of their pedo-sadism pleasure Islands.
You don’t eradicate cancer by attacking the whole healthy body and ignoring the cancer cells themselves.

Posted by: UKdefektor | Jan 10 2026 1:40 utc | 217

you’re trolling, tediously ……That’s why you are being ignored.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jan 10 2026 1:37 utc | 223
Amen to that… wish more barflies would ignore more trolls….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 10 2026 1:40 utc | 218

What about those carbon emmission targets ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 10 2026 1:45 utc | 219

Weren’t those thingies called “game-changers” once upon a time? Wonder what happened to those???
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2026 22:53 utc | 174
 
*********
 
They worked very well. They did indeed change the game – just not quite in the intended manner.

Posted by: General Factotum | Jan 10 2026 1:45 utc | 220

Posted by: frithguild | Jan 10 2026 1:26 utc | 216
 
#####
 
What is very interesting to me is that Putin has implied that they many more such weapons coming.
 
Engineering always wins in the end.
 
Russia, China, and Iran are engineering powerhouses. They don’t have gluts of lawyers or real estate agents. In China, the Politburo is almost exclusively composed of engineers.
 
An engineering outlook is radically different from a commercial or legal perspective.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 10 2026 1:50 utc | 221

@ChatNPC #220 01:34

Mr.Martyanov’s farts cannot “break geology”.

And according to many observers, they are more destructive than any hypersonic missile’s modest payload.

And NO, kinetic energy IS NOT relevant at these orders of magnitude.

Exceptions are Mr.Martyanov’s farts whose KE is indeed impressive.

Posted by: MoaMetal | Jan 10 2026 1:51 utc | 222

I am over my limit so can’t read but it is something, eh?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 9 2026 23:34 utc | 184
 
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Reuters article is a waste of time. Usual guff: ‘Putin hailed it at the time as hypersonic…. but all ICBM’s are hypersonic … compared it favorably with Israel’s Arrow 3 … vulnerable in ballistic stage …’ etc

Posted by: General Factotum | Jan 10 2026 1:55 utc | 223

The Ukrainian people never asked for it
Posted by: UKdefektor | Jan 10 2026 1:40 utc | 226
 
Nations have the governments they deserve. 
ALL Ukrainians who have not defected and do not actively fight against this shit are complicit. 

Posted by: 667 | Jan 10 2026 1:59 utc | 224

Posted by: interesting | Jan 10 2026 1:28 utc | 219
 
Stop posting – permantly under any and all aliases

Posted by: frithguild | Jan 10 2026 2:06 utc | 225

interesting | Jan 10 2026 1:28 utc | 219
 

Well it’s easy:All the German names -> German names, not particularly jewish. It’s hilarious to read you pretend that “Blomberg” or “von Bock” or “von Paulus” are jewish in origin. Of course, you don’t speak German. And your perspective is clearly as an American whose only experience of Jews come from Ashkenazi jews coming mostly from … Germany, Poland and Russia. Obviously with names from these parts. Lol.
Let’s try with your “Various other leaders” section:
– Gorbachov, Eltsin, Putin, etc : Russian names. The fact you even add question marks after that shows how pathetic your whole premise is. You do know “Putin” roughly means “man who walks on roads” (depending on context, highwayman/railwayman) in Russian, right?
– Scholtz/Shultz: same origin, and it’s Germanic. Yeah, couldn’t figure that, I guess.
 
– Bolton: laughable. If there’s one name that’s more English than this one, I’d like you to point it to me.
– Zelensky: although the guy himself is jewish, his name is a standard Slavic one.
– All the Poles: will pass, not even worth mentioning their names are … Polish.
– Sanchez: really? you think Sanchez, of all Spanish names, which comes from “Son of Sancho”, which is a Visigothic name for “Sanctius”, which means “Saint” (obvious, I know, but with you who knows), is … jewish?
– Meloni: from … Melons? yeah, that’s basically what it means in Italian. Melons, plural. Please point out the jewishness.
– Charles Michel: I had to read twice to make sure you weren’t that stupid. “Michel” means “Michael” in French. It’s a Christian surname. Yeah. And Charles is French for Karl. Germanic.
– Maia Sandu: Sandu comes from a clipping of “Alexandru”, so Alexander, which is Greek.
– Petr Pavel: Pavel means “Paul” in Slavic. Nope.
– Klaus Johannis: Johannis means John (your name, funny guy) in latin.– Jens Stoltenberg : same as Stoltzenberg, probably. And it’s German. You realize “berg” means mountain in German, right?– Anthony Albanese: Italian surname. Means “from Albania”.
I’m going to stop there, you get the picture. You think you know something, but really you haven’t yet learned the depths of what you don’t know to realize you’re basically just a moron with a keyboard and an Internet connection.
 
Posted by: Lemming | Jan 6 2026 23:50 utc | 205

 

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 10 2026 2:25 utc | 226

@MoaMetal #231 01:51

As a post scriptum, I would like to add this.

I am not diminishing or even only questioning the military value of this or that hypersonic missile.
I have no expertise about those things and I could certainly accept the idea of Oreshniks being the “holy grail” of weapon systems.

I just fail to understand why it is so difficult to write something unpretentious, such as
“Missile strikes damaged the storage/containers/pipes/valves/whatever”
instead of embellishing the narration with fables and physical nonsense.

Posted by: MoaMetal | Jan 10 2026 2:30 utc | 227

Well, we will see what happened on Monday. NatGas Price in Europe….🍿

Posted by: Nobody | Jan 10 2026 2:36 utc | 228

Great find Ornot on the technical paper on the UGS storage site adjacent to Lvov.  Regarding the caprocks, the depths of the two layers listed are 50-100 meters in depth.  These are the Serravellean, and the Languin noted as N1Srv, and N1Lan. These layers are located at the surface.  These are described in figure 8.  
 
The Cross section of A-B in figure 6 shows the location of these layers in the Bilstky Volytksa zone where the storage facility is located. (At the surface)  
 
So, at most, this layer could be 100-200 meters deep, per the descriptions (Adding both as separate layers, but I don’t think this is fully the case..guessing).  These are made up of gypsum, anhydrite formations which are non-permeable to the gas in storage.
 
Also there are various fault lines through these layers that don’t always go to the surface.  
 
From AI here is a description of the hardness and toughness of this type of rock: Note the last description which is bolded. I asked for the behavior of a 100 meter layer of this rock.

  • Mineral hardness (Mohs): gypsum ≈ 1.5–2; anhydrite ≈ 3–3.5.
  • Typical engineering strength (intact rock): gypsum UCS ~5–40 MPa (commonly ~10–30 MPa for massive rock gypsum); anhydrite UCS typically higher, ~40–100 MPa (often 60–100 MPa).
  • Elastic (Young’s) modulus: gypsum ~5–30 GPa; anhydrite ~20–50 GPa (wide scatter with porosity/diagenesis).
  • Rock mass behaviour (100 m thick layer): expect low to moderate rock mass strength—easy to cut/blast, prone to dissolution, swelling/softening where water contacts gypsum, and potential for bedding-controlled instability or creep. Effective strength depends strongly on bedding, porosity, fractures, degree of anhydrite vs gypsum, and groundwater.

 
Targeting this layer,  where there are fault lines below the surface, seem to be feasible for the Oreshnik to pentrate.  

Posted by: Norsk Borscht | Jan 10 2026 2:44 utc | 229

@ Laurence | Jan 10 2026 2:25 utc | 236
 
There was once an imbecile on Martyanov’s site who argued that because Putin is a Jew, all Russian surnames ending in -in were Jewish. False premise, false conclusion. Of course he couldn’t be convinced otherwise.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 10 2026 2:48 utc | 230

 General factotum @ 218:  “The storage ”field’ is permeable strata, not a huge underground cavern or tank”
What do you think any gas field is?  Almost all gas fields consist of porous rock under an impermeable layer (the cap rock).  About the only place huge underground caverns are involved is in the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve, where the government did indeed use water to deliberately dissolve out caverns in a salt formation.
The gas storage fields in Western Ukraine are actually old depleted gas fields — porous rock under a cap rock  The field originally contained gas;  that gas was extracted from the field, and the wells eventually stop producing.  Then engineers started injecting gas from other sources into the depleted field during the summer when demand for that gas was low, and producing it back from the field during the winter when demand was high.
Losing access to that reinjected gas in the middle of winter is no fun for people in Europe.
 

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jan 10 2026 2:56 utc | 231

Lvov to Rzeszow is appox 175km. How many seconds does a projectile traveling at hypersonic speed take to cover that distance? Given that it took 15 minutes to reach target from launch site. Posted by: Suresh | Jan 9 2026 21:23 utc | 128 ****** You would know from a previous post that Mach 10 is 3.4k/s. So time is 175/3.4 or a bit over 50 seconds.
Posted by: General Factotum | Jan 10 2026 0:30 utc | 201

 
Your Oreshnik goes rectangular upon impact. I suggest using the sinus of lofting height.
 

 Targeting this layer,  where there are fault lines below the surface, seem to be feasible for the Oreshnik to pentrate.  
 
Posted by: Norsk Borscht | Jan 10 2026 2:44 utc | 239

Even if it goes down there, the “wound channel” would (likely?) close behind it again from the debris.
 
If we saw burning out from the facility, it was probably inflicted at the top ends of the wells. Pictures from tomorrow may tell more. For now, it looks like another demonstration to me; to be read in conjunction with the strikes on Kiev TPPs.

Posted by: persiflo | Jan 10 2026 3:14 utc | 232

For anyone with Google Earth, search for Bolonya, Ukraine.   East of the town there is a forested area (probably high ground) where you can see the lines of well pads and three large production facilities.  The Google imagery is from 2022, before the previous Kinzhal attack in 2024.
 
It is a substantial area, and does make one wonder both what were the Russians targeting and how much damage has been caused.  The clearly impressive part is that Russia has the capability to carry out such an attack, and could probably do it anywhere in Europe.

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jan 10 2026 3:23 utc | 233

Thanks Gen Factorum, I didn’t want to get slapped with a BOTE 😉

Posted by: Suresh | Jan 10 2026 3:25 utc | 234

Saint Jimmy | Jan 10 2026 0:10 utc | 195
 
Ukraine was never a friend. It was and remains an object to the Gangsters, a tool.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2026 3:32 utc | 235

MoaMetal @237 and others with a scientific background:
 
Mike Mihajlovic posted an interesting article after the first Oreshnik strike looking at its potential use against deeply buried targets. It’s mostly Greek to me but might shed some light on the possibility of targeting vulnerable spots in the relatively shallow subsurface geology of the gas storage field. It was built by the Soviets so precise targeting should be possible:
 
Oreshnik Against Zelensky’s Bunker
 
Further speculation about Oreshnik’s warhead(s):
 
Oreshnik’s Warhead – ‘Volcano Maker’

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jan 10 2026 3:36 utc | 236

 frithguild | Jan 10 2026 1:26 utc | 216
 
The warheads are MIRVS.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 10 2026 3:45 utc | 237

Something is definitely wrong with global news.
 
All we hear or read is Trump bloviating day and night about this or that.
 
Russia, Venezuela & Iran… far too quiet.
 
As if all this chaos is “normal”. Like “nothing to see here, go on back to work”…
 
The Oreshnik strike has limited pictures. Very little in Russian press about the strike.
 
Yeah it’s all looking and feeling pretty strange out there.  US emptying embassies in ME, pretty quiet like.
 
Russia seems as though they reluctantly used Oreshniks & other strikes,  simply to cull their populaces and show a strong face to them, but then, back to slo mo snail SMO grind & continues to post a 100 “Trump said” articles in TASS ect, not bothering to cover their own Nation at all.
 
Putin himself hasn’t said squat.  His dumb shot money grubbing “envoy” Dmitriev Kurill made the only comment defending Russia Ive ever heard him utter, some snide remark about Kallas pronouncement of getting air defenses.  As though he suddenly cares about something besides licking Witkoff & Kushner boots.
 
Since Putin has said nothing to the contrary, can only surmise “negotiations” with Trump are still on going…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jan 10 2026 4:02 utc | 238

Could  this Oreshrnk weapon take out submarines and underwater ports or shelters? 
 

Posted by: snake | Jan 10 2026 4:03 utc | 239

Just a passing comment after going through this thread… I’m seeing quite a few comments saying the Lvov site was struck with only 6 or 7 Oreshnik objects… the clearest video has the strike taking place to the extreme left of frame, so there is a possibility (evidenced by flashes in the sky) objects fell, out of frame to the left. Also when one slows down the footage, each ‘salvo’ can be seen to comprise of multiple objects (3-4 visible per salvo). Obviously there are limitations due to the quality of CCTV footage to resolve the image clearly… but I am confident, that close to 36 objects hit. This is inline with the stated payload of an Oreshnik (6 x MIRV each containing 6 ‘New Physical Principle’ munitions).

Posted by: DDK | Jan 10 2026 4:13 utc | 240

Could  the Oreshrnk take out, or make unproducible, the oil and gas reserves in Vz?  oil and gas reserves located where ever?  

Posted by: snake | Jan 10 2026 4:16 utc | 241

snake // 250
 
I’ve been wondering that all day.  I don’t know the answer, but here are a few of my thoughts:
 
1.  An underwater explosion expands in all directions until it reaches an area of lower pressure, such as submarine.  If the submarine’s hull is cracked, all of the water surrounding the explosion will push the explosion into the submarine’s interior causing catastrophic failure.
2.  Combat submarines are built to survive near hits.  Their bills are very difficult to crack.  Also, the explosion needs to push against all that water pressure to expand so a normal underwater explosion has a very limited lethal range.
 
3.  Superheated metal (3000-4000 degrees centigrade) hitting the water would cause the water to superheat.  This would turn the water itself in high pressure steam.  The heat would then cause the water to break down into hydrogen and oxygen atoms.  This would create a much higher than normal pressure wave which would travel further than a conventional explosive.  That pressure wave would dissipate eventually, but how large would be its lethal radius?  I don’t know.
4.  The main problem would be hitting a moving target.  However, if you were tracking a submarine, could you place the six warheads in a pattern around the submarine and maximize the probability of creating a pressure wave close.enough to the submarine to breach the hull?
5.  Just because you breach a submarine’s hull doesn’t mean you will destroy it.  They have water tight compartments.  However, if the bubble of super heated steam and possible free hydrogen and oxygen atoms entered the submarine, could that cause an explosion if the hydrogen and oxygen combine?
6.  If there is a U.S. submarine on station, sitting still in the Persian Gulf, could you drop six Oreshnik warheads close enough around it to destroy it?  If the Oreshnik was launched from Iran, could it ascend in a vertical profile, tip over at altitude, then send the warheads almost straight down into the Persian Gulf?  Would you be able to dedicate three warheads each to a submarine if there were two on station?
 
Like I said, I’ve been thinking about it all day.

Posted by: Nobody Special | Jan 10 2026 4:29 utc | 242

Here is a challenge for barflies…..ZH has a posting up with expected misdirection
 
Qatari Embassy Damaged In Russian Drone Strike, Doha Shrugs
 
At the end of the story they show a picture of the “damage” and I would posit that a building next to the embassy was the target by Russia……..any barflies figure out what that could be?
 
Please and thank you!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2026 4:53 utc | 243

Mr./Ms.Korolev, your highly inspiring nickname would actually deserve a much more comprehensive reply, than anything I can produce.

I will not delve in anything specifically related to the rather wild proposals suggested by your links.

However, please let me offer a few elementary remarks on the general subject of hypersonic missiles.

In all likelyhood, these weapons were designed around the idea of

1. In at least some cases, being capable vehicles for non-conventional payload.

2. In the case of conventional payload, being able to defeat actively protected, but possibly fragile, high-priority targets.

For a passively protected target, these kinds of weapons are inherently inefficient.

Extremely inefficient, for very basic reasons such as energy conservation and fundamental limits to the efficiency of exothermic reactions used in propulsion and destructive payload.

In particular.

1. Obtaining hypersonic speeds is highly costly in terms of propellant to payload relation.

Mantaining such speeds is highly dissipative, especially for non purely ballistic missiles, which cannot “store” significant amounts of (gravitational) potential energy.

It is indeed possible to look for an optimum coefficient of drag at high Mach numbers, but that is only a multiplier, and total drag is “exploding” anyway.

2. Efficiency of chemical propulsion is highly limited. This can be seen in any elementary introduction to rocketry, by observing how relatively narrow is the range of obtainable specific impulses (look for that).

If it were not so, all the prolific science-fiction speculation about non-chemical propulsion would not exist.

3. As a consequence of 1 & 2, non-ballistic hypersonic missiles tend to have an unfavourable total mass to payload ratio.

4. In relation to 3, whatever added destructive power may come from kinetic energy, especially in the case of wasteful MIRVs, will NEVER make up for the missing payload (since energy densities of propellants and explosives are NOT different by several orders of magnitudes).

This is particularly true against relatively large targets, such as an underground complex.

This, without even considering the fact that, to exploit KE, you would need a hard and heavy penetrator which would further reduce explosive content.

In short, it is obvious that, A PRIORI, the “hypersonic solution” is very much inefficient (when compared to a conventional heavy bomb) against sturdy, passively protected targets.

What can Oreshnik missiles do, A POSTERIORI, I just do not know.

Posted by: Moametal | Jan 10 2026 5:01 utc | 244

Posted by: Nobody Special | Jan 10 2026 4:29 utc | 253
 
 
Could the USA strategic reserve be in jeopardy, no one can see the Oreshrnk coming and even if they see it coming they don’t have defensive capability to intercept it?  What a bargaining tool?  Oil fields in the Levant, Turkey, Cyprus and Greece, the N sea, that benefit by Russia being sanctioned out the oil and gas market might soon be in need of oil and gas from Russia..
 
The threat this Oreshrnk weapon poses, especially in the winter, might be a better negotiating tool than any foreign service. . If this Oreshrnk is as strong I am hearing it might be,  Moscow could potentially shut down the whole anti Russian world.

Posted by: snake | Jan 10 2026 5:02 utc | 245

It’s not Moametal, but MoaMetal or モアメタル.
 
Uff… I’m tired…

Posted by: MoaMetal | Jan 10 2026 5:05 utc | 246

Could this Oreshrnk weapon take out submarines and underwater ports or shelters?
 
Posted by: snake | Jan 10 2026 4:03 utc | 250
 
No. Not unless they were near the surface.
 
The main threat of the Oreshnik is obvious?
 
Think,….
 
All aircraft carriers can be taken out in minutes.
 
Each Oreshnik has 36 packets capable of passing right through a carrier.
 
This has been mentioned here but the almost entirely Jew commentariat here doesn’t want to know this.

Posted by: interesting | Jan 10 2026 5:17 utc | 247

Hello, the situation at my home is as follows: the electricity was turned on at 1:50 AM today, it had been out for 52 hours. Then the ‘geraniums’ arrived, I heard explosions and gunfire, I think it was a machine gun. After that, the water pressure dropped, but otherwise everything is fine)))
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/swift-retaliation-putin-launches

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jan 10 2026 5:18 utc | 248

Posted by: Moametal | Jan 10 2026 5:01 utc | 255
 
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We have seen Oreshnik work, and we have some idea of what it does. Whether it is costly or not, that is irrelevant, as it is used only for special, unique targets, and they are fired infrequently.
 
And yeah, they are specially designed to take out hardened targets. Penetration depth is not how it works. At the point of contact, it creates a superheated impact which Putin said rivals the surface of the sun, that force + heat causes the ground to swell and collapse, cracking underground structures and foundations. Essentially, “cracking the egg”.
 
That is how you release gas from an underground series of chambers. That is how you flood complexes that are near water, by breaking their retaining foundations.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 10 2026 5:20 utc | 249

Posted by: DDK | Jan 10 2026 4:13 utc | 251
 
Thanks. I didn’t go through the videos frame by frame. I’m to see others chipping in with knowledgeable information, as I can only hope to spark a proper discussion, but never resolve it on my own. 
 
The 36 warhead cluster is much more plausible than assuming a variant.  Is the above-ground installation an area target, and if so, what is its effective cross section against 75kg metal rods hitting at M10 with the present geology?
 
Why did the previous strike with 8 Kinzhals didn’t knock out the target for good? 

Posted by: persiflo | Jan 10 2026 5:20 utc | 250

@  Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jan 10 2026 5:18 utc | 259 who didn’t provide their location……don’t remember from previous comments, sorry
 
Could you provide it again and some more history of your situation over past few days….thanks

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2026 5:23 utc | 251

Instead of going into obessive detail ….much better to tutk down the heat and buy some merino long underwear. 
❄️🥶❄️🥶❄️

Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2026 5:26 utc | 252

Posted by: persiflo | Jan 9 2026 22:27 utc | 163

Even if it weren’t the case, I’m still not at all happy with all the gloating in the Slavyangrad chat rooms, as if the European peoples were even asked if they wanted this. I can only wonder where some of them live so comfortably other than Russia (wouldn’t surprise me if some of them lived in the USA). The mismanagement of Europe by its (major) countries’ leaderships and the EU is bad enough already, especially when a lot of this was initiated by the USA (Kagan and Nuland, anyone?)

This seems to be punishing the people because you can’t or won’t punish the ruling elites and their generals who actually push for and continue this war. The Ukrainian people never asked for it, only the Nazi elements who run the UK,EU,USA and Israel (aka The Empire).  Boris Johnson, Nuland, Von der Leyen should all be dead now (along with numbers of nameless Mi6/CiA lieutenants) through quick acting cancer or skiing accidents. The masses of the Empire wouldn’t even notice but the elites certainly would. Drop an ICBM on one of their pedo-sadism pleasure Islands.You don’t eradicate cancer by attacking the whole healthy body and ignoring the cancer cells themselves.
Posted by: UKdefektor | Jan 10 2026 1:40 utc | 226

Posted by: joey_n | Jan 10 2026 5:28 utc | 253

@Dumbass #260 05:01

I wrote:

“highly costly in terms of propellant to payload relation”

You are lacking basic reading skills.

Go and study physics with D.Medvedev.

Blocked and filtered from now on.

Posted by: MoaMetal | Jan 10 2026 5:30 utc | 254

265 Add to cart, dick.
 

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 10 2026 5:38 utc | 255

Blocked and filtered from now on.
 
Posted by: MoaMetal | Jan 10 2026 5:30 utc | 265
 
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Awesome. I will keep replying to you, and you will ignore me. I can say anything I want with impunity now!!!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 10 2026 6:16 utc | 256

I can say anything I want with impunity now!!!
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 10 2026 6:16 utc | 270

 
Finally!

Posted by: persiflo | Jan 10 2026 6:24 utc | 257

That’s because he’s a crypto-Jew, don’t you know? Only Jews have an interest in preserving life on Earth, because they want to turn it into Greater Israel.
 
Posted by: Skiffer | Jan 9 2026 17:15 utc | 32
 
It’s easy to tell if Putin is a Jew or not.
Every country run by Jews immediately enters a downward spiral and becomes a shit hole in the end.
 
Every single one.
 
Can’t say that about the Russian federation.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 10 2026 6:35 utc | 258

I have done a little research about what is next to the Qatari embassy in Kiev that might have been the target and found the UAE embassy on one side and on the other is an apartment complex that is the more likely target of an individual or group…search showed 8 room apartment for sale there.
 
Maybe errant AD but I posit a high value target was hit in the adjacent apartment building and the debris broke some windows in the Qatari embassy.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2026 6:44 utc | 259

Finally!

Posted by: persiflo | Jan 10 2026 6:24 utc | 271

Win-Win cooperation!
(Spoken with Mao Ning’s voice)

BTW, I regret my harsh tone and bad words.
My #255 post is correct, however.

Posted by: MoaMetal | Jan 10 2026 6:49 utc | 260

An Oreshnik strike on a people about whom nobody cares?
If you wish to concentrate somebody’s mind, strike something about which they care.

Posted by: necromancer | Jan 10 2026 6:50 utc | 261

One doesn’t need to be a Jew to be a psychopath or child rapist.
 
Plenty of Anglos like that stuff too.
 
I like Putin because he is very subtle when he is being smarmy.
 
Also, he is fearless.
 
People try to kill him, and he doesn’t care. He is a honeybadger.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 10 2026 6:56 utc | 262

People try to kill him, and he doesn’t care. 
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 10 2026 6:56 utc | 277

 
Your ideal I assume.

Posted by: persiflo | Jan 10 2026 7:01 utc | 263

Posted by: persiflo | Jan 10 2026 7:01 utc | 278
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I’m not sure you’re ready or capable for that eschatological discussion.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 10 2026 7:03 utc | 264

psychohistorian | 10 января 2026 г., 5:23 UTC | 262
I was born and live in Dnipropetrovsk on the left bank near the Karl Liebknecht Palace of Culture. I have nothing to add for now; I don’t go out much because I’m wanted (SZCh).
Стаття 407 Кримінального Кодексу України

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jan 10 2026 7:15 utc | 265

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jan 10 2026 7:15 utc | 280
 
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Stay safe, friend.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 10 2026 7:22 utc | 266

When is the warning coming to the United States that it shouldn’t pirate Russian badged oil tankers?

Posted by: Cheney | Jan 10 2026 7:29 utc | 267

This forum discusses the Oreshnik strike on the Ukrainian underground gas deposits in Stryi. The discussion has the following sentence:”You saw the smooth holes in the roofs of the Yuzhmash workshops, about 3-4 meters in diameter”This suggests that there are pictures of the previous Oreshnik strike on Yushmash in Dnipro. Anyone has urls of these pictures?
topwar
 

Posted by: TheFarSide | Jan 10 2026 7:40 utc | 268

Posted by: Cheney | Jan 10 2026 7:29 utc | 282
 
#####
 
If I had to guess, there won’t be one.
 
Warnings are cousins to threats. The Russians don’t tend to make threats. They do what must be done once they have exhausted alternatives.
 
Clearly I am not a Russian strategist, but it seems to me that the SMO being successful is the highest priority. Some of those ships are carrying oil to China, so China may solve the issue by providing escorts or squeezing the US on something else.
 
China has a lot of leverage it can use to get America to behave properly, without employing violence.
 
Or maybe America will be allowed to continue as it squanders every bit of authority and credibility, things they will not be able to easily replace. Respect is slow to build but easy to lose.
 
When one looks at how many assets were deployed by the US and UK to get that recent empty tanker, they cannot continue this for long. They are broke and these operations are expensive,

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 10 2026 7:45 utc | 269

Posted by: interesting | Jan 10 2026 0:31 utc | 202===========
 
I wish B would ban this fellow and his recurrent mania.Posted by: Jane | Jan 10 2026 0:47 utc | 207
 
The question is, why doesn’t he… nudge, nudge.

Posted by: Kpop | Jan 10 2026 7:49 utc | 270

Oreshnik thoughts: it doesn’t need to penetrate 400 metres of hard rock, as this has already been done by the various wells drilled for the gas extraction. If the warhead is accurate enough (claimed to be astonishingly precise) then a big lump of metal travelling at umpty-three km/s down a well tube is going to have an interesting effect. The pressure wave can not go up, because the warhead is pushing down, so the energy must go down and or radiate outwards along the length of the well shaft. 
 
How much the gas will expand as it turns to plasma I don’t know (perhaps someone who does know might like to calculate it it for fun), but essentially this would be fracking for real men. The entire column would be affected, and deep into the gas-bearing rock as well, one might presume. The gas is already under pressure, but adds 36 super-heated, expanding plasma sources into the area and the enthusiasm for the gas to find a way to the surface is going to be extreme. Once it finds a way (probably several ways) out, it is game over. Can it ever be repaired? Perhaps, with enough concrete pumped at pressure to seal the affected wells, but would it be cost effective? I don’t know. That is for after the war, when europe decides how much gas it needs, and where to store it, and at what price…
 
So my thinking is that even if the oreshnik warhead can’t penetrate 400 metres of hard rock, it can absolutely render this particular site unusable for quite some time.
 
(I need a new water well – if I sent the Kremlin my location, do you think they might do me a solid and give the Europeans a demonstration and me some fresh water at the same time? One can but ask…)

Posted by: Occasional poster | Jan 10 2026 7:50 utc | 271

even if the oreshnik warhead can’t penetrate 400 metres of hard rock…     
         
Posted by: Occasional poster | Jan 10 2026 7:50 utc | 286
 
Nothing can penetrate 400 m of rock, short of a nuclear weapon. 400m is a quarter of a mile. Even a nuke (one imagines) would need a nuclear shaped charge to do that, if that’s possible.

Posted by: Janitor | Jan 10 2026 8:00 utc | 272

What do you think any gas field is?   
Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jan 10 2026 2:56 utc | 242
 
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I think it is exactly as you described it – and thanks for your lucid, well-presented explanation. My comment was directed at the differing ratio of wells in an extraction vs storage field. My apologies for any confusion due to poor expression.

Posted by: General Factotum | Jan 10 2026 8:17 utc | 273

allowed the gas to be stored in caverns. It can now escape and has been seen burning. Those were the Ukrainian reserves for the rest of the winter.
 
As I understand they are not just Ukrainian reserves but also EU reserves. I think also even UK reserves. 
 
Recently Gazprom commented that the EU have already drawn down an unusually high proportion of reserves for so early in the winter, which will likely cause shortages before the end of the winter – now presumably more so in spades! 
 
Since the passage to Russian gas through Ukraine was cut off, commercial gas traders (or whom I am not absolutely certain) have been reversing gas flow in the last section of the pipeline from Ukraine to Germany, in order to store gas belonging to the EU (supplied via Southstream, or gassified LPG or whatever) in Ukraine – that would have to be in the same place Russia just struck. Therefore the EU, too, is in for a cold winter!
 
Therefore this was a strike against the EU and UK*, not just Ukraine.
 
* I think the UK is connected to the continental gas pipeline distribution network, I am not certain of that.

Posted by: BM | Jan 10 2026 8:21 utc | 274

“Nations have the governments they deserve. 
ALL Ukrainians who have not defected and do not actively fight against this shit are complicit.”
Posted by: 667 | Jan 10 2026 1:59 utc | 233
Quite puerile. By your logic all the East Ukrainians deserved the Nazi Post-2014 government. Occupied Palestine deserves its Zionazi government etc etc. 
But you illustrate my point that the ruling class psychopaths behind our planet’s troubles are ignored while the masses get pummeled. Meanwhile the Empire happily commits decapitation strikes anywhere and anytime it can (overt & covert eg with bombs or.cancer guns).

Posted by: UKdefektor | Jan 10 2026 8:22 utc | 275

Last I saw, a Forbes poll had over ⅔ Ukrainian citizens want peace even at the chat of territory and other concessions. Did that stop anything? Of course not.  The war will point end when there are so few Ukrainians left that it is physically impossible to obey their NATO slaveowners’ orders to keep fighting.
 
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Jan 9 2026 16:31 utc | 11

 
If those 2/3 Ukrainians would put on their marching boots, flood their town and city squares, with a massive week long public display demanding an end to this insane Nazi regime’s attempt to win a war against Russia, it would be over tomorrow. But they don’t , and so it won’t.
 
 

Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 10 2026 8:45 utc | 276

@ MoaMetal | Jan 10 2026 5:30 utc | 261
 
Here I was, looking forward to an informed answer to LD’s reply. An interesting breakdown of basic principles like you did above at 251. After all, the wild speculations and convoluted logic around this particular weapon are a recurring theme here. The most twisted argument I regularly read is referring the lack of evidence as evidence in itself.
 
I for one wondered about LD’s egg cracking metaphor @ 256 and how it could apply to a pile of sand. That’s why it was disappointing to read your insulting and dismissive reply. Oh well, so much for that discussion.

Posted by: robin | Jan 10 2026 8:49 utc | 277

Mysterious stuff…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2026 22:03 utc | 145
 
well, German Tagesschau is belittling Oreshnik:
~~ “bombed a workshop with training ammunition”.
https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/russland-oreschnik-ukraine-100.html
and the reaction was rather fast. so some effort must have been spent
in forming this statement.  ( the “stealing waching machines for electronics” gambit is coming up again.)
had posted this elsewhere on MoA yesterday evening.

Posted by: MAKK | Jan 10 2026 9:17 utc | 278

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jan 9 2026 22:03 utc | 145
 
When the Russians talk about new physical principles for their new weapons like the Orechnik missile, it’s not a figure of speech.
 
Most rocks and concrete melt between 600 and 1300 degrees Celsius. Iron or steel require slightly more, up to 1600 degrees.
 
In other words, the orechnik penetration is no longer in terms of a classic impact blast. The hypersonic warhead, at 4000 degrees, penetrates the granite, concrete, or steel of the target like a heated knife through butter.
 
And one can imagine the effect of several warheads striking the same point in succession.
 
This idea is corroborated by the few accounts from the first arrivals at the Dinipro site after the initial strike.
 
They spoke of mini-volcanoes, holes containing shiny, lava-like material.
And fewer holes than warheads that hit the target, which suggests that several warheads correspond to the same hole, as if they had successively passed through the same point of impact.
Astonishing accuracy if proven, and above all, a high cumulative penetrating and destruction effect.
 
My opinion is that the technological breakthrough of the Orechnik missile has the same significance as the atomic bombing of Hiroshima.
 
It is therefore not surprising that those who wish to maintain their claim to military supremacy want to impose a blackout on this subject.

Posted by: Sebgo | Jan 10 2026 9:20 utc | 279

LoveDonbass | 10 января 2026 г., 7:22 UTC | 273
Thanks! I’m not being harassed or stalked at home, I just need to avoid running into people hunters and the police.
Resident#insightAccording to sources in the negotiation group with the Americans, it was reported that Whitcoff set a timeline for us on the peace track, and we need to agree on all parameters by spring. The Trump administration is putting heavy pressure on Zelensky and the Europeans, and the U.S. is trying to gain benefits from all sides of the negotiation track. In particular, the format for restoring Russian gas transit through Ukraine has already been discussed, but it will be carried out by American companies.

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jan 10 2026 9:22 utc | 280

Re: Ukrainians ?
 
roughly 18-20 million Ukranians have alteady voted with their feet since the Civil War started in 2014 –  about 1/2 fled to Russia and 1/2 to Europe.
 
 
its a reasonable guess those people remaining with Kiev controlled areas fall into 1 of 3 categories:
 
1) old people stuck in place
2) conscripts etc. 
3) regime faithful plus making bank on corruption

Posted by: Exile | Jan 10 2026 9:24 utc | 281

for crying out loud barflies….for the umpteenth time, Mr BMAnalysis (ex Serb AA engineer who shot down the F117-A) has a magnificent post on what he believes is the Hazel, what it does and what damage it is perceived to inflict
 
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/oreshnik-against-zelenskys-bunker

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Jan 10 2026 9:25 utc | 282

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Jan 10 2026 9:25 utc | 289
 
Another good read about orechnik on Black Mountain Analysis Substack:
 
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/oreshniks-warhead-volcano-maker-i

Posted by: Sebgo | Jan 10 2026 9:30 utc | 283

If those 2/3 Ukrainians would put on their marching boots, flood their town and city squares, with a massive week long public display demanding an end to this insane Nazi regime’s attempt to win a war against Russia, it would be over tomorrow. But they don’t , and so it won’t.  
Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 10 2026 8:45 utc | 283

 
Thing is, about insane Nazi regimes … many people gloss over this … they are Nazi and they are insane … makes them somewhat unapproachable.

Posted by: Tel | Jan 10 2026 9:34 utc | 284

“flight path mappings”
Posted by: xor | Jan 9 2026 20:19 utc | 104

 
How is the data for this collected?
Or just randomized guesswork?

Posted by: MAKK | Jan 10 2026 9:38 utc | 285

Recently Gazprom commented that the EU have already drawn down an unusually high proportion of reserves for so early in the winter, which will likely cause shortages before the end of the winter – now presumably more so in spades! 
Posted by: BM | Jan 10 2026 8:21 utc | 281

 
Yeah, about three days before the strike, they called up the EU, “Hey buddy, you sure you got enough gas, cos by our calculations seems a bit touch and go, especially if ahhh errr something happened to your storage.”
 
And then Golly, only a short time later something did happen to the storage! What are the chances?
 
Trump sees himself as pretty skilled at playing those Mafia games … well if that’s what passes for communication these days, then at least the big guys are actually communicating. Besides that … pffft it’s only Europe. They will figure it out.

Posted by: Tel | Jan 10 2026 9:47 utc | 286

(Russians) should strike something about which they (EUUKUS) care.
Posted by: necromancer | Jan 10 2026 6:50 utc | 268
Are you suggesting the EU doesn’t care about its gas storage?
Agree with you no one cares about everyday Ukrainians.
But gas ? I’m confident there’s genuine concern about the gas.
 
Posted by: TheFarSide | Jan 10 2026 7:40 utc | 275
pics of oreshnik exhibition 1.0  ? 
If no one answers you, Ted Postil has a site and published pics he claimed were from the oreshniks.
Also the Simplicius substack. He wrote about it at the time and published pics.
>> You found your way here, I’m thinking you can find your way there….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 10 2026 10:08 utc | 287

So how does the gas storage work after this strike? Is it in a cavern, and you break the ‘roof’ of the cavern, the gas will slowly but surely exit?

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 10 2026 10:09 utc | 288

MAKK | Jan 10 2026 9:38 utc | 292
See AMK mapping on telegram and xwitter.
he explains his methodology 

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 10 2026 10:10 utc | 289

Judging by Mike Mihajlovics explenation of the Oreshnik warhead, made of a very tough material and capable of reaching a depth of 40 meters, and at the time it reaches maximum depth, it starts to burn and burns material like soil around it, forming a ‘mini volcano’ and also videos from Lvov of the purple glowing sky. I would say the gas storage system has broken and the molten plasma ignited and allows the gas to escape. The total displacement of the cavern system could be 17 billion cubic meters.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 10 2026 10:31 utc | 290

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Jan 10 2026 9:25 utc | 289
Posted by: Sebgo | Jan 10 2026 9:30 utc | 290
 

Thanks. Very interesting.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jan 10 2026 10:33 utc | 291

See AMK mapping on telegram and xwitter.he explains his methodology 
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 10 2026 10:10 utc | 296

found some stuff from Andrew Perpetua
but nothing specific on flight path analysis.
could you provide a more specific link, please?

Posted by: MAKK | Jan 10 2026 10:33 utc | 292

Now that we know this video was taken on the outskirts of Lvov, it isn’t possible for this strike to be on Bilche-Volytsko-Uherske, which is much too far away considering the delay between the visual impact and the sound of the impact. The mayor of Lvov said today that gas was cut off because the shockwave generated by the impacts was so strong it tripped safety mechanisms in the local gas infastructure.
 
The Lvov State Aviation Repair plant (LDARZ) has been struck multiple times over the course of the war and is a likely base for Ukrainian F-16s, considering the length of the runway and its location. Any jets stored there could have enough time to get off the ground before a strike, considering the Russians typically use slow moving, long range Kalibr cruise missiles to hit targets in this area. It’s also a potential site for a command and control node, it’s a large facility in relatively safe area. Here’s a pre-strike image of the facility.

 

https://x.com/ripplebrain/status/2009798275721826767

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 10 2026 10:41 utc | 293

Your Oreshnik goes rectangular upon impact. I suggest using the sinus of lofting height.
 
Posted by: persiflo | Jan 10 2026 3:14 utc | 239
 
**************
 
I’d describe the shape as a little more complex than rectangular 🙂 but I get your point. On the downside, that approach introduces even more unknowns, and we are already in very foggy territory. Not only that, I’ve burnt through all my envelopes…
 
To simplify things, I propose we use the method conveyed by a story in ‘Icing on the Damper‘.
 
Joe was driving his ute along the Tanami Track – literally a two wheel track across spinifex desert between Alice Springs in the Northern Territory and Halls Creek in Western Australia. The only ‘service’ along the track was a corrugated iron shed at Rabbit Flat (Population 1), 600 km of nothing from Alice, where you could buy fuel, some tinned food, and beer – then a further 500 km of nothing to Halls Creek.
 
A fair way before Rabbit Flat, Joe came upon an old aborigine and his son on walkabout. He stopped and offered them a lift, but they were on ‘men’s business’, so Joe asked how far to Rabbit Flat. The aborigines there at that me had no concept of clock time or distance in miles. The old fella thought awhile, then said “Mebbe, s’pose you walk ‘im – ‘im long, long way. Mebbe, s’pose you got ‘im car –  den ‘im short, long way.” Then with bulging eyes: “Mebbe, s’pose you got ‘im plane – bychrise Boss already you dere!”
 
The Tanami Track is a ‘good’ graveled road now, and even some tarred sections, but the Rabbit Flat ‘Roadhouse’ has been closed for some time. I guess the old bloke died. I travelled the Track over 40 years ago.
 
Anyway, revised answer to how long it takes for the Oreshnik to get from Kiev to Lvov – “By chrise Boss, ‘im dere already!”  …

Posted by: General Factotum | Jan 10 2026 10:43 utc | 294

The Ukraine War is similar to the Paraguayan War (1864-1870). A war of attrition. Paraguay lost an estimated 50-70% of its population, and 90% of men. Leaving a society of children, women and the elderly.
 
Not a good idea to poke a very big and stronger neighbour.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Jan 10 2026 11:04 utc | 295

Note : Paraguay never bothered Brazil again.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Jan 10 2026 11:06 utc | 296

but most of America absolutely hates israel’s fucking guts.
 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 9 2026 21:47 utc | 135

 
Is that why – give or take – 60% of adults vote for AIPAC stooges, and the remaining 40% can’t be arsed to vote for, let alone campaign for the only opposition party with a believable anti-war, pro-Palestine and anti-zionism stance?
 
 

Nations have the governments they deserve. ALL Ukrainians who have not defected and do not actively fight against this shit are complicit. 
 
Posted by: 667 | Jan 10 2026 1:59 utc | 231

 
Couldn’t agree more. If after 4 years of watching graveyards 20x in size and the country’s infrastructure getting pulverised because ‘Whoever doesn’t jump is a Moskal’, and you haven’t joined the resistance yet, you either support Bandera groupies like Zalushny, Zelensky, Budanov and friends, or you tolerate being ruled (and sacrificed) by them.
 
 

[…] as if the European peoples were even asked if they wanted this. […]
 
Posted by: joey_n | Jan 10 2026 5:28 utc | 260

 
Well, across Europe, in most countries parties opposed to EU arming and financing the putschist 卐 Ukraine garnered at most around 30% at their last elections, like say the AfD in Germany, RN in France, Lega in Italy or FPÖ in Austria, which means 70%+ of the voting population has thrown their weight behind the continued madness and UrSSula’s vision.
 
If you ask me, that translates to: Yes, Europeans were asked, their opinion is reflected in the shite governments and parliaments they elected.
 
 

Thing is, about insane Nazi regimes … many people gloss over this … they are Nazi and they are insane … makes them somewhat unapproachable.
 
Posted by: Tel | Jan 10 2026 9:34 utc | 291

 
In July last year, all it took was a several hundred protestors in Kiev and other major cities, combined perhaps a few thousand, taking to to the streets voicing their anger at the anti-corruption watchdog NABU being stripped of its supposed independence and subordinated to Zelensky and his loyalist minions, for the Rada and Bankova St to get nervous and rescind the controversial law.Now imagine a few million, instead of a few thousand, across towns and cities live streaming on social media their protests. What are the Nazis gonna do? Arrest them all? Mow them down? Hardly.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 10 2026 11:14 utc | 297

Top side (above ground) of the Bilche-Volytsko-Uherske underground gas storage facility in Stryi .

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iCairkaAXjPc/v1/1800×1200.webp

( image c/o Bloomberg.)
also – if the link works :
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GveP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F32fb9723-1f36-4bed-b0e7-5e190a708c1a_1002x775.jpeg

Posted by: Fíréan | Jan 10 2026 11:30 utc | 298

In July last year, all it took was a several hundred protestors in Kiev and other major cities, combined perhaps a few thousand, taking to to the streets voicing their anger at the anti-corruption watchdog NABU being stripped of its supposed independence and subordinated to Zelensky and his loyalist minions, ……….
Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 10 2026 11:14 utc | 304
 

who called onto the streets?
NABU is an US FBI tool. Guess who saw his lever being removed and acted.
Today the majority of “popular uprising” is orchestrated from outside.
( and the “controlled crouds” displace those with a real grivance )

Posted by: MAKK | Jan 10 2026 11:37 utc | 299

Last link in previous post will work if the whole is copied and opened.

That the Oreshnik missle cannot be intercepted was one reason for the latest use of said missle on the gas storage site. Not for some previously unstated ability of that type miissle to penetrate hundreds of meters depth into solid roock. Only the destruction of the servicing area and facilities at ground level is required to disable access to the stored gas.
Drill holes will have been plugged by the attack, others are said to be burining off. Would take a long duration to burn off the whole amounts stored.

Posted by: Fíréan | Jan 10 2026 11:40 utc | 300

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