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January 9, 2026
Trump Has Changed And TDS With Him

When Trump did win his second term there were many people, including here, who were a bit in panic. Other characterized that as a ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ (TDS).

I had preferred Trump over the blabbering incompetent person the Democrats had put up as their candidate. I did not like Trump’s policies but I also thought that he would do just minor damage just like during his first term in office.

At first it looked like I had been right. The Alaska meeting with President Putin went reasonably well. The war in Ukraine seemed to move towards some sane outcome. His domestic policies were a bit wild but not far off from the expected trajectory.

Things have been going downward since. Something has definitely changed. But why and how this derangement happened is yet unknown.

The late December CIA attack on Putin’s residence in the Novgorod region, which includes strategic command facilities, has broken the rules that have governed relations between nuclear powers over many decades. Those relations have now deteriorated beyond fixing.

The attack on Venezuela was likewise beyond any reasonability. There is little chance that the U.S. will ever get what it wants from the country without on the ground intervention. But any commitment of troops to Caracas would end in disaster.

The administration defense of ICE goons, who clearly broke all rules of policing when they killed an innocent women, is also beyond all reasonability. There are certainly ways to explain the incident but they decided to smear the obvious victim.

That such behavior has become and will stay the norm for the Trump administration can be concluded from two recent interviews.

The first was on January 5 at CNN with Trump aide Stephen Miller:

TAPPER: So let’s — the question about who is now running Venezuela is one that even members of Congress who are big Trump supporters say they’re not quite sure about. Senate Majority Leader John Thune told CNN’s Manu Raju that he doesn’t know what President Trump meant by his assertion that the U.S. is running Venezuela. And he said he needs more information. Can you tell us what the President means when he says, is acting President Delcy Rodriguez in charge? Is she running Venezuela or not?

MILLER: Well, what the President said is true. The United States of America is running Venezuela. By definition, that’s true. Jake, we live in a law, I’m sorry, we live in a world in which you can talk all you want about international niceties and everything else, but we live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power. These are the iron laws of the world that have existed since the beginning of time. The United States —

TAPPER: But are you saying — but in terms of day-to-day operations in Venezuela, that is president, Acting President Rodriguez, right? It’s not some sort of American emissary.

MILLER: No, what I’m saying is, and we’ll keep going here, Jake. So I want to say what I’m saying, and then you’ll follow up. But what I’m saying is just one level above that, which is that, by definition, we are in charge because we have the United States military stationed outside the country. We set the terms and conditions. We have a complete embargo on all of their oil and their ability to do commerce.

So for them to do commerce, they need our permission. For them to be able to run an economy, they need our permission. So the United States is in charge. The United States is running the country during this transition period.

Miller really seems to believe that this is how the world works. It isn’t.

The second interview, on January 7, was by the NY Times with Trump himself:

Trump Lays Out a Vision of Power Restrained Only by ‘My Own Morality’ (archived)

The relevant excerpt of craziness:

Asked in a wide-ranging interview with The New York Times if there were any limits on his global powers, Mr. Trump said: “Yeah, there is one thing. My own morality. My own mind. It’s the only thing that can stop me.”

“I don’t need international law,” he added. “I’m not looking to hurt people.”

When pressed further about whether his administration needed to abide by international law, Mr. Trump said, “I do.” But he made clear he would be the arbiter when such constraints applied to the United States.

“It depends what your definition of international law is,” he said.

Mr. Trump’s assessment of his own freedom to use any instrument of military, economic or political power to cement American supremacy was the most blunt acknowledgment yet of his worldview. At its core is the concept that national strength, rather than laws, treaties and conventions, should be the deciding factor as powers collide.

Trump’s take on domestic limits exposes a similar might-makes-right vision:

On the domestic front, Mr. Trump suggested that judges only have power to restrict his domestic policy agenda — from the deployment of the National Guard to the imposition of tariffs — “under certain circumstances.”

But he was already considering workarounds. He raised the possibility that if his tariffs issued under emergency authorities were struck down by the Supreme Court, he could repackage them as licensing fees. And Mr. Trump, who said he was elected to restore law and order, reiterated that he was willing to invoke the Insurrection Act and deploy the military inside the United States and federalize some National Guard units if he felt it was important to do so.

So far, he said, “I haven’t really felt the need to do it.”

TDS has changed its meaning. Trump is deranged and its not just a syndrome. I have yet to make up my mind of what is most likely to follow from this.

Is the U.S. sliding down the path towards full fascism? Or is this all pure bluster that will end as soon as it experience a serious bulwark?

Comments

@FeJohn #590
I presume you reference a) that some person, self proclaimed as a doctor, who was prevented from assisting and b) that the agents did not rush over immediately
Regarding a): A trained doctor actually is extremely unlikely to do shit in a trauma situation. If the person had said they were a trauma doctor or an EMT, the situation may well have been different. But some rando wanting to butt in, is nothing more than a future potential lawsuit ie why did you police not prevent this quack from killing this person.
b) Maybe you did not notice, but the environmental situation was not good. The road was icy and slippery – one reason why said SUV spun its tires before accelerating forward. Note again: if the road were not icy, the woman almost certainly would have accelerated slowly because I do not believe she had the intention to ram the ICE officer. The acceleration to compensate for lower friction due to ice, which in no small part arises from friction melting ice and increasing the friction coefficient, is a normal method of starting driving on an icy surface. But it is PRECISELY the wrong thing to do with a law enforcement officers in front of the car. Once again, this was a split second thing – it is easy to point fingers afterwards, but regardless, both “use of deadly force” guidelines and the law are very likely to pronounce that said agent acted legally.
And with an icy surface, nobody is rushing anywhere. Furthermore, law enforcement agents are generally not trained for first aid or emergency trauma care. So what exactly do you expect them to do in this situation? In fact, I believe they are trained NOT to do anything, but to call for EMT and await their arrival.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:26 utc | 601

@james #592
You keep harping on weaponization – but this is not the issue here unless you are advocating that police not be armed. Are you?
You clearly are not reading or comprehending what I am saying: the officer almost certainly acted fully within normal law enforcement guidelines governing the use of deadly force.
Which to repeat, is that a law enforcement officer is entitled to use deadly force when he believes that he himself, or someone else, is threatened by unlawful use of deadly force.
If you want to change those guidelines, then push for changes as opposed to complain afterwards. These guidelines have been around for literally 100+ years and equally apply to self defense by civilians/normies.
As for having police officers not be armed: the UK has that. Can’t say that it has helped the public safety situation there at all. I am not a law enforcement officer, but I have worked with many all over the world and know a number personally where I live. I live in a True Blue city that is very safe by American standards (low double digit homicides in 2025). And yet the horrific shit that LE officers experience in this city, is unknown to the vast majority of people. Several of the officers that I know personally, have been significantly injured on the job by violent people. 
The notion that even suburban towns in the MidWest are so safe that you don’t need armed police – well, I suspect that actually talking to police there is very likely to reveal a very different story.
You can have wife beaters (including, disproportionately, lesbian ones) anywhere including on your street.
You can have a meth lab on the next street.
There is ugly shit in the world which LE’s job is to insulate the population from – and they have done a pretty good job of it such that people have no fucking idea of what actually happens in the dark corners of their own town.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:35 utc | 602

@F. Foundling #599
No, it is not a bogus argument.
It is hypocritical to believe that someone should act as you would act – ex post facto and without personally experiencing the situation, and without having been in a job with the constant possibility of death or serious injury.
I have zero patience for people who think they know better but aren’t actually willing to undergo the actual risks.
Have you ever been in a life threatening situation due to people?
How many people do you personally know, who have been shot? killed? seriously injured?
Have you even ever been in a serious fight – not one of boisterous fools but one in which all parties are seriously trying to hurt the others?
If not, you don’t know shit and I don’t give a fuck what you think.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:39 utc | 603

@Juan Moment #604
Cartoonish garbage. Among other things, the Nationalist Socialist party was LIBERAL. LOL.
It was MGGA but with socialism as opposed to conservatism but with the same nationalism.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:42 utc | 604

Since many Americans do not travel, and so do not know, the Commonwealth countries did not have armed police patrol in public for the longest time. That only started to change after 2000.
 
Arming police says a lot about the relationship between a state and its citizens. Any state.
 
I believe police in China are usually unarmed. Russian police, if they are armed, it is usually very discreet.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 11 2026 17:47 utc | 605

@xiao pignouf #609
You said

For criminal investigation to assess the level of threat, it does.

No, it does not. You still don’t get it. The law enforcement officer just has to believe, and be able to justify, that he believed that he was under threat of unlawful use of deadly force AT ANY TIME before he shot. That he shot when the direction of the car had swung past him, is a factor but is ultimately irrelevant. The duration of the whole incident, from when the car tires squealed to when the 3rd shot was fired, was literally seconds.

When you’re a law enforcement officer filming some people with your phone, it doesn’t indicate a high level of fear. All that matters is how he can control his feelings in such a situation. 

Does not matter what his state was before said officer started to believe he was under unlawful threat of deadly force.

I get it, I get it. And I can, if not understand, try to imagine the level of stress in criminal situation, confronted with individuals who may carry. As James stated it, the American society became paranoid, even when facing harmless women. A LE officer has rights but he also have duties. You have the right to shoot if you feel threatened but you have the duty to properly assess the level of threat not to shoot people like pigeons in a balltrap.

No, you still don’t get it. This wasn’t a harmless woman. This was a woman who was already defying law enforcement commands (ie a criminal) who furthermore was at the helm of a 4000 to 5000+ pound vehicle that is perfectly capable of inflicting bodily harm or death, and who furthermore started accelerating in a potentially dangerous manner.
If there was a child in front of this car and the woman did the same thing, she would be just as liable for endangering the child. This line of reasoning is stupid.

Right, but so what ? There are many police officers, army veterans online who severely criticised his decision to shoot and who said it was totally unjustified. My critics are not based on what I know, it is based on what experts on dealing with violence are saying.

And so what? Police officers and veterans can have political agendas also.
I have yet to hear a legal argument from you as to why this police officer acted improperly.
I have already said that it would have been optimal if the police officer had chosen to accept the unlawful threat of deadly force without acting, but it is not required. And again, it is easy to point fingers after the fact.

Again, the guy literally throw himself at the car with a phone in his hand. And about the previous story. Yes, apparently, he was dragged by a car on that occasion, but he didn’t kill the driver, he tased him. So why did he chose to draw his weapon instead of his taser in a much less dangerous situation ?

This is dumb beyond words. Will a taser penetrate a windshield? And maybe the officer learned from his previous experience: just shoot as he is entitled to rather than get hurt.

It is also a fact that she was told to drive the fuck away. You cannot expect anyone who has no experience in dealing with high level of stress to react properly in such a situation. Ffs, even the agent didn’t manage his own feelings ! How come anyone demands that she should have ?

I agree with your comment on stress, but why was she there at all? Because she was under the wrong impression that she could interfere with ongoing police activity and nothing bad would happen.
That’s on her.
The second error was not thinking that flouncing away in your SUV, could not possibly have consequences. Had she accelerated slowly, she would not have been shot.
That’s also on her.

Well, I have no doubt he won’t be charged. But it says a lot about your actual society.

Sorry, but that is utter bollocks. The use of deadly force guidelines are the same worldwide for armed police. Yes, you can disarm police but that just leads to more societal violence see UK.
As for comments on society: yes, this incident does say a lot about US society: that dumb fucking people will insert themselves into dangerous situations without having any idea of the danger they put themselves in.
Would this woman slap a tiger in the face? Almost certainly not, because she would recognize the danger in doing so.
Armed law enforcement officers are just as dangerous as a tiger.
I don’t fear them, but I respect them and consider my actions around them.
This woman did neither. She did not deserve to die, but she put herself in a situation where it could happen, and then she did shit which made it happen. 

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:57 utc | 606

@xiao pignouf #614

He killed her not because she was a threat, but because he was angry or frustrated.

Objection: you can not possibly have any idea what the office in question felt. Any remotely competent judge would strike this nonsense from the trial record.

As the lawyer concludes in the video, he will be most definitely acquitted, not for being protected by his administration but because the jury will have all the legal reasons to do it.

That lawyer is known primarily for being incompetent. A politician/propagandist as opposed to an actual practitioner.

But it is still morally wrong.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I have repeatedly said that there are things which are legally right but morally wrong, morally right but legally wrong, or legally wrong and morally wrong.
Morality is subjective. I already posted the example of this: do you consider abortion to be murder?
The purpose of law is to minimize subjectivity.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 18:13 utc | 607

@c1ue and the rest of the pig/state apologists.
 
I hope your next interaction with the Police/ICE/Border Patrol catches the officer on a bad day, that he ‘feels fear’ and acts as you all feel is appropriate to do because he is ‘scared’. May your acceptance of ‘frightened armed coward’ violence towards others be visited upon you. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Jan 11 2026 18:25 utc | 608

[…] the Nationalist Socialist party was LIBERAL. LOL. […]
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:42 utc | 618

 
Sure, c1ue, sure. And are those liberal National Socialists in the room with us right now?
 

It was MGGA but with socialism as opposed to conservatism but with the same nationalism.

 
You must be one of those who believe Hot Dogs are made of, well, hot dogs.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 11 2026 18:27 utc | 609

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:57 utc | 620 In addition to all the tedious BS arguments on details, this tries to bolster its non-existent case with flagrant falsifications. Early on, the flat statement that defying police commands is criminal states by the way the heart of the apologists’ case: The police are the masters, obey. Disobedience of any kind is criminal and it is right that the police can kill you because they are the masters. This is about as right wing as you come. These apologies for power have been offered by the servile for centuries, long before modern times. A serf would be a criminal for defying a lord, a slave would be criminal for defying the master, citizen is a criminal for defying a cop. For these people a dead civilian is a sign their system works. 
 
But as I was saying, shameless lies. First, the claim that disarming the police leads to societal violence actually invokes the UK. In fact one of the great steps to decreasing violence in England was disarming the police. This happened under PM Robert Peel, hence the nicknames bobbies and peelers for police. It is the decay of society and the malignant influence of American conservatism that has increased the violence in England. As in the US, one part of that increase in violence is the cops’ crimes. (Yes, not literal crimes, police violence is under color of law.) 
A second gross falsification is a little more subtle. Nothing has established the woman was driving at him, nothing has given honest observers any reasons to believe he is being honest about feeling threatened. Every indication is that the woman was starting to drive away, not driving at him. There was no threat of deadly force. Conservatives believe in the presumption of guilt when someone is accused by authority but not fully rational person does. Conservatives further believe that authority never lies, but again, no fully rational person does. Stupid questions about tasers penetrating windshields are merely rhetorical deceits, distractions. If the woman had driven away, if they had any reason to arrest her, they could have gotten a warrant and gone to her home later. She wasn’t actually escaping. It grossly falsifies the situation to pretend that some criminal might have escaped justice. All this really is, a Trump cultist is defending Trump officials defending extralegal murder of citizens. Trump officials want this sort of thing because it covers ICE and others in their campaign of intimidation of the citizens. And Trump officials want to intimidate some citizens, in perceived politically hostile cities, because it is part of the Trump campaign to wreck the last shreds of bourgeois democracy. Trump cultists like this one are with the program, therefore they must lie about a case that for unknown random reasons gets famous. The real problem is systemic, but people are going to criticize that problem with an example, hence the desperate dishonesty of stooges like c1ue.
 
Also a gross falsification is the claim that police are trained not to provide first aid. There’s even an implication that it is somehow obligated to keep others from providing first aid. That’s why the behavior of the ICE agents showed their intention to kill. 
 
(Escape by the way should not itself be a capital offense, a moral point too obvious for a conservative mind to grasp, but still. Conservatives can’t even grasp the moral in “a life for a life,” not compared to a life for making me the cop nervous.) 
 
And the repeated claims that she was interfering repeatedly and so are still explanations showing the murder was premeditated, taking out an enemy. They’d seen this woman before and they knew she was a “fucking bitch” and they took her out for it. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 11 2026 19:07 utc | 610

Congrats America….
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AY2ULacS4bk?feature=share
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOBz2wMicPY&pp=ygUDaWNl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB7g7LU0Wc&pp=ygUDaWNl
This is what you wanted? Well, you got it. 
That Constitution and Bill of Rights? Shit stained toilet paper and nothing more.
USA!USA!USA! We’re #1. (In fucking over our citizens and ignoring their rights)  
And in general, could not happen to a more deserving group of people. You let you government do it to the world, now it they are doing it TO YOU.  Well done.
 
Again, all those cheering on the  ICE for shooting a woman in the face….. when they do it to you, KARMA.
 
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Jan 11 2026 19:33 utc | 611

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eTEQCLWpJC8
So I guess that woman hit by ICE vehicle should have just opened fire on the Pig carrier?
Certainly had more of a reason than the ICE coward who did.
You ‘Good Americans’ state fellators get what you allow. And I hope you get it good and hard.
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Jan 11 2026 19:59 utc | 612

If there was a child in front of this car and the woman did the same thing, she would be just as liable for endangering the child. This line of reasoning is stupid.
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:57 utc | 620

You may define this line of reasoning as stupid but you do much worse : you blame the woman for her supposedly dangerous actions while you justify the agent’s who were way more dangerous. He shot 3 times at a windshield very close to his partner which caused a driverless car to run at high speed on a crowded street.

that dumb fucking people will insert themselves into dangerous situations without having any idea of the danger they put themselves in.

I don’t know. Maybe it makes her a hero and of you a coward. But you can’t blame her because she stood up for a cause.  Maybe you don’t want to change things because you’re fine the way they are. Until when ? Are you the kind to leave your fucking PC screen to take action or the kind to submit ?

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Jan 11 2026 20:06 utc | 613

Sociopaths? Gangsters? Gestapo? SS? Little dicked cowards who were bullied in school? Hurt wittle feewwings?
All of the fucking above. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZrPaeUVhEQ
You cop-suckers support this?
 
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Jan 11 2026 21:24 utc | 614

@ftp #622
I have no problems with law enforcement of any kind, because I am respectful of them and careful to not do anything that could possibly be construed as an unlawful thread of deadly force.
Only dumbfucks like you, think these occurrences are law enforcement’s fault – when in fact it is the woman who fucked up by the numbers.
And it is largely because dumbfucks like you, don’t understand or respect or act carefully around LE.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 22:23 utc | 615

@Juan Moment #623
Sad, that you cannot actually acknowledge the truth of what I wrote.
Or have any kind of rebuttal other than childish insults – which have zero effect on me.
But that’s how it is with stupid, incompetent dumbfucks like you: don’t know what you are talking about but blindly repeat shit that your idols say.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 22:24 utc | 616

@ftp #625
Thanks for reinforcing how much of a dumbfuck you are.
Dumbfucks think that the law of the United States starts and ends with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Sorry, that ain’t how it works. Nor is this restricted to libtards – there are plenty of fools on the conservative side as well.
But your specific stupidity is why you don’t understand what is going on, how things actually work or how they are accomplished or why the shitty outcomes you despise, happen.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 22:26 utc | 617

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 22:23 utc | 629
I have no problems with law enforcement of any kind, because I am respectful of them and careful to not do anything that could possibly be construed as an unlawful thread of deadly force.
 
Your naivete is charming. You think it is you who controls what happens. Not how it works with sociopaths with guns and de-facto immunity. Plenty of “respectful of them and careful to not do anything….” folk have been shot dead by pigs with ego, rage, alcohol, “respect my authority!” etc. issues. In almost every encounter you see, the pig is escalating the situation, even with compliant slave types such as yourself. It’s what pigs do. Try to dominate because they are scared shitless.
“And it is largely because dumbfucks like you, don’t understand or respect or act carefully around LE”
I see. Clearly you don’t if you typed that.  If you are having to “act carefully around LE”, that should be a serious concern to free people.
What a spineless coward you must be. Good slave, have a cookie.
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Jan 11 2026 22:43 utc | 618

@ c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:35 utc | 616
 
thanks c1ue… just seeing your response now… so as far as you are concerned this accident of the ladies death is a consequence of her actions and there is no accountability on the ice persons role here.. in other words he assessed a threat to his life and shot the lady dead, while saying fucking bitch as well… maybe a taser could have worked just as well?? what do you think?  yes, accidents happen, but the onus of responsibility lies in a number of directions.. it is not being addressed, and i doubt it will be addressed by those involved in a tug of war over what they think is the answer here.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 12 2026 0:07 utc | 619

@ c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:35 utc | 616
 
part 2… 
 
at what point do you acknowledge or recognize when you are living in a fascist state? when the autocratic ‘might makes right’ leader of the usa cancels elections?? what has to happen for you to recognize how the usa is going down a very slippery slope here with it’s embrace of an increasingly police type state, which the law and enforcement folks think is what is necessary to  ‘make america great again’? at what point do you see how  any semblance of justice, let alone compassion is the exact opposite of what your leaders here are pursuing??  i am truly curious.. thanks.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 12 2026 0:14 utc | 620

@ c1ue 17:26
It was also reported that the ambulance was prevented from stopping close to the crashed vehicle. If this is correct, the chain of events and action following the shooting could be  indicative of subsequently formed intent to make an example of the individual who died. These actions may include the way the deceased person’s body was extracted from the vehicle and carried to the ambulance.
It has also been reported that two federal agents issued contradictory instructions to the driver. If this is correct, subsequent public vilification of the deceased as a domestic terrorist, perpetrator of a crime / criminal by senior members of the US federal administration seem to me inappropriate.
If I may digress, I wonder how different the language and the post – incident  narratives emanating from those sources might be, were a similar incident with closely parallel circumstances were to occur in a country  that was the subject of destabilisation efforts by a US administration.
 

Posted by: FeJohn | Jan 12 2026 1:12 utc | 621

@ c1ue | Jan 11 2026 17:35 utc | 616
 
part 3…
 
i am curious if you think the ice folks need guns, and if so why?  would it not have  been possible to apprehend the lady  later on?  
 
it seems to me immigration has been useful for some as a means of cheap labour… slavery got outlawed, and maybe this was the idea of a substitute, i don’t know…  i don’t know what the agenda is on the world stage, but it seems many western countries have huge numbers coming into their countries and are increasingly concerned about it, including here in canada.. that some people in these western countries, like canada or the usa, might be concerned is legitimate… i can think of a number of different ways this issue of illegal immigration could be handled, and i think the way that trump is going about it is very draconian and ‘police state’ type ideology and thinking…
 
what do you think c1ue? 

Posted by: james | Jan 12 2026 1:44 utc | 622

you cannot actually acknowledge the truth of what I wrote. […]
 
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 22:24 utc | 630

 
I could agree with you, that the German Nazis were Socialists. But then we’d both be wrong.
 
Next you claim the U.S. Democratic Party is actually democratically minded.
 
Plus, never mind that in my tale of people with hard-ons for sticking undesirables in concentration camps and defend to the hilt Agents Smith when they fire bullets into protestors’ faces, Nazis are National Zionists, which Donald Adelson-Strumpf, and by extension his supporters, most certainly is.
 

stupid, incompetent dumbfucks like you

 
Seems to me, you “don’t know what you are talking about but blindly repeat shit that your idols say.” 😉

Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 12 2026 8:05 utc | 623

To post 636…
 
While I agree that Trump’s actions are harsh, they would have not been necessary,  or possible, had his predecessor chosen to expand the legal routes to immigration instead of just opening the door and walking away.
 
Why didn’t ole Joe propose hiring 80 thousand new immigration processors, instead of IRS agents? Then he could have had his “surge to the border” completely legally. And the current ICE actions would have been unnecessary, because the migrants would have been legal.
 
But, for reasons known only to them, they opted to go this route, and here we are.

Posted by: Bemused Observer | Jan 12 2026 14:22 utc | 624

@ftp #625Thanks for reinforcing how much of a dumbfuck you are.Dumbfucks think that the law of the United States starts and ends with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Sorry, that ain’t how it works. Nor is this restricted to libtards – there are plenty of fools on the conservative side as well.But your specific stupidity is why you don’t understand what is going on, how things actually work or how they are accomplished or why the shitty outcomes you despise, happen.
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2026 22:26 utc | 631
(this from one who accuses other of childish insults)
???
What is the “supreme law in America”?
c1ue, go back and read your posts. You are a hypocrite. Also, a fool. Clearly too stupid to understand the level of your stupidity.
If you can’t figure out what specifically I am talking about here, and I doubt you are able considering you continue to do so, let me know and I will highlight each and explain it to you. 
But you have already established you are a craven cop-sucker, so you will just continue to be the hypocritical fool you have shown yourself to be here. I pity people like you. 
As John Wayne is credited with saying, “Life is hard. It is even harder when you are stupid”. Your life must be quite hard.

Posted by: ftp | Jan 12 2026 15:02 utc | 625

@ Bemused Observer | Jan 12 2026 14:22 utc | 638
 
i don’t live in the usa and follow all this as an outsider… yes, we agree – trumps actions as guided by stephen miller are harsh and might be headed to something much more harsh if the usa people don’t challenge any of it..  read the article in the moa week in review on stephen miller… 

Posted by: james | Jan 12 2026 15:49 utc | 626

Every single moron in the Trump regime is a psychopath, drunk on power, which makes us very dangerous at home and abroad 
I read that the IDF is embedded with ICE. Given their tactics, I’m assuming that to be accurate 
On a more positive note, Trump, if nothing else, is accelerating US collapse

Posted by: Kay | Jan 13 2026 3:55 utc | 627

@ftp #629
No, dumbfuck, I don’t control what happens but I have control over the risk I take on.
Even asshole law enfrocement is constrained by potential blowback: from their own management, from the US legal system from the court of public opinion and from reality.
Only dumbfucks like you, think that they can do whatever they want.
Inserting yourself into a dangerous situation: in this case, law enforcement arresting and deporting a literal felon, increases the range of possible bad outcomes. I have inserted myself into dangerous situations like breaking up fights, but I don’t do dumb shit like obstructing armed police officers.
Then there is what happens once in an elevated risk situation. Knowing elevated risk, I know enough to be careful of what I do, to think about the consequences of my actions and to think about how my actions are perceived by others.
This dumb bitch did none of the above. And you, dumbfuck, probably would not either because “I’m unarmed” or “I’m a civilian” or some other equally idiotic (and frequently wrong) bullshit.
So no, can’t say that I have much concern, at all, about negative consequences from any proximity to law enforcement. And I would note that this includes direct experience in countries where law enforcement is not remotely as well constrained by the aforementioned factors, as the West.
You don’t know shit and don’t know just how stupid you.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:10 utc | 628

Preferring Trump at any time to any “blabbering incompetent” is to buy into an obvious con.  The blabbering incompetents would always be the better and wiser course than selecting a grifter.  Coming from a born/bred New Yorker, your judgement is seriously lacking, and your street smarts are very questionable.   Be careful with your decisions in the future and maybe do the opposite of what you think makes sense.

Posted by: inquiringMind | Jan 13 2026 15:12 utc | 629

@james #630
Yes, she was a stupid and entitled bitch – who did not deserve to die but acted in such a way that this is how events played out.
Let’s break this down:
1) She inserted herself into an active law enforcement operation where ICE was arresting, for the purposes of deportation, a multiple felon. This wasn’t a traffic stop, although even traffic stops can be dangerous especially after a cop gets blasted by some scared kid with drugs in his car. LE in such a situation is amped up to start with.
2) Not only was there an LE operation going on concerned a multiple felon, there were also a bunch of people screaming insults at the officers. Do you think this type of environment encourages patience, understanding and reflection? I don’t.
3) She was told to get out of her car. The shout of “drive away” was not from LE, it was from the crowd and possibly from her wife (who was filming). You might note the curious absence of the wife’s filming – no doubt because said film would make it absolutely clear that the wife was the one who advocated an illegal act ie first defying law enforcement order to get out of the car and second, leaving the scene without permission. I would not be surprised that the wife was told by lawyers to not post it – both because it detracts from the narrative but also because it implicates her in her illegal actions.
The law in the US is that once a policeman tells you to get out of the car – not doing so, much less driving away, is basically the same as resisting arrest.
4) I already have covered this repeatedly, but her actions – and more specifically, her lack of consideration for the perception by LE of her actions – is what led to her death.
5) And the cherry on top of this shit cake is the fact that she was there at all. There is overwhelming evidence that these acts of interference with ICE were not spontaneous, but organized by outside entities. And it is these entities who knowingly encouraged this woman to put herself in this situation. She didn’t just happen to drive by and want to help the poor oppressed immigrant.
So once again: where is the actual fault by LE? The only “fault” is that he was not willing to take the chance of being seriously hurt or killed rather than act as his training directs him to do.
And I already addressed the idiocy of the taser: he was in front of the car and a taser won’t do shit through a car windshield.
You just don’t want to admit that this woman fucked up by the numbers.The above is a long chain of events which could have been broken at any link – yet you and the liberal media want to point all the blame as the very last act in this multi-part drama.
Again: she did not deserve to die but she was the one who most directly caused her death.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:23 utc | 630

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:23 utc | 641
fascists gonna fascist. “resist cops, get shot.” as Jerome Powell is learning, no one gets due process.
 
don’t your knees or back ever give out from being prostrate licking the shit off your master’s boots all the time? cuz obviously your palate is very happy with the taste.
 
the person ICE was after was a felon. and you know this how? cuz your master said so. end of story.
 
if the city of Minneapolis did what it should do, en masse drive ICE out of the city, you would be calling for Trump to bomb the city.
 
cuz law.

Posted by: duck n cover | Jan 13 2026 15:29 utc | 631

@james #631
The US is no more fascist (or less) today than it was last year, or 10 years ago.
But probably more autocratic than 20 years ago.
Sorry dude, but this ain’t Nazi Germany or the worst of purge-era Stalin Soviet Union or East Germany by a long shot.
And I am completely unmoved by your understandable anger over this woman’s death and likely also stemming from Trump’s actions with Venezuela etc. I have experienced, firsthand, the effects of Soros prosecutor inaction and law enforcement “reining in” where I live.
These actions have not mitigated shit in terms of LE abuse, but instead have led to a massive decrease in safety in this city. Stores are literally closing every week. It isn’t just the drug stores – some of that was obvious overbuild even though I now have to take 2 buses to reach the closest CVS.
Even the grocery stores have been closing. There were Safeway grocery stores all over the city I am in – I used to be able to visit any of 5 with a single bus ride. 3 of them have now closed. Both of the remainder are literally like SuperMax cell blocks now – one of the closed ones, was the first to institute glass walls such that you cannot exit, after entering, without a receipt. Those walls have been replicated in the closest one to me now (the other also has this setup), and which has also killed the self-checkout feature which I really like because it allowed me to see exactly what I am being charged.
Nor is this just number and friendliness of drug and grocery stores. The acts of random violence by crazy homeless people are skyrocketing. My wife won’t even walk 3 blocks any more after experiencing 2 such incidents in the span of a week. I myself am a big guy: 6 feet tall, 250 pounds and not all fat so I don’t get bothered much, but I have had to intervene multiple times in the last year to protect women and women with children from aggressive fuckers on the street, in public transit, etc.
And it isn’t just the actual overt acts of violence. Several times now, random people in a low-cost grocery store have escalated to near physical violence at their cashier.
But the good news is that the Burning Man crowd can do whatever the fuck they want: get prescriptions for ketamine to party with at EDM concerts, smoke pot wherever they want (medical marijuana), try to destroy livelihoods with shit AI products that don’t work.
So from my view: this liberal experiment has failed utterly and it is time to get back to a society of law and order and old fashioned productivity from making actual things that people need.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:41 utc | 632

@ c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:23 utc | 641
 
here is where you and i differ.. i can acknowledge the women fucked up, but you are unable to acknowledge the ice officer fucked up… that is essentially it my friend..  and i will add, you are encouraging an increasingly authoritarian leadership which is headed, if not their already to fascism.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 15:43 utc | 633

For those who are still wasting time with c1ue’s free services as an attorney, remember this person believes that disarming the police unleashes hell on Earth. This is a lie. It’s ideological justification for the notion that anything less than instant obedience is criminal in and of itself and worthy of instant death without any nonsense about judges and juries.  This guy doesn’t have any rational reason, he has fear and hate of the masses and the Scourge of God (aka the police) are there to save us from the sinners. That’s why he’s so confident he couldn’t be in her position. 
 
For that matter, this clown pretends to believe that an SUV is a deadly weapon because it is heavy. It can be misused as one, except not in these circumstances. The vehicle has to accelerate. The deadly weapon, the threat, was held in Jonathan Ross’ hand. The weight of the bullet was insignificant compared to the weight of the SUV. In his desperate search for excuses, c1ue doesn’t understand the difference between momentum and mass. Quite a large number of people have been bumped by vehicles in parking lots, very possibly somebody here. My guess is that they didn’t call the police. Now getting bumped by a small car moving at even thirty miles an hour is entirely different, from such a parking lot incident…and from the situation in Minneapolis. Admittedly this perspective suggests that people who sign up to be cops should be brave enough to exercise good judgment.
 
Stepping back, as a right-winger, the premeditated murder of a lefty is a political plus. That’s why c1ue and others who wish for a brutal government to suppress their perceived enemies are so intent on supporting things like the federal government trying to prevent any state role in the investigation. The political goal of the murder, intimidation of opponents of the government, requires that Jonathan Ross be upheld as a hero, that he not ever be even charged, that the victim must be vilified. If one is shameless enough, even to work out some preposterous argument that its the media’s fault. (Though I think that obscenity came from Gruff.) 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 13 2026 15:45 utc | 634

@FeJohn #632
Let’s see. If, in fact, what you say happened – the inevitable lawsuit will reveal all.
But from my view: being shot 3 times in the face = dead right there. And I say shot 3 times in the face, because it was close range and most of the woman’s body was shielded by the engine – so the only parts that can be hit are the face and neck – neither of which are conducive to survival.
I’ll wait and see.
As for the contradictory instructions: that has already been debunked. The woman was told by ICE to get out of the car – but someone in the crowd shouted to drive away. It may well have been this woman’s wife.
Yet another example of how interference in law enforcement activity is a bad idea.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:46 utc | 635

If ICE are the good guys, why did he shoot her 3 times?
 
Trump only got shot at once before he became a living Saint.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 13 2026 15:48 utc | 636

@ c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:41 utc | 643
 
your story reminds me of the stories i heard about detriot many years ago being gutted out…  perhaps their is a connection with a system called capitalism which has an increasing number of people falling thru the cracks – homeless – and they have to be taken both together? that is what i think… of course this contributes to a greater need for police, but  while the rich close themselves off in gated communities, or rant from a position from high public office – trump – the problems continue.. no amount of greater police involvement resolves the underlying problem of capitalism… 
 
well.. that is how i see it c1ue… 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 15:48 utc | 637

@james #633
I already noted that ICE was there to arrest a multiple felon.
So yes, they do need guns.
And no, people who are facing deportation, are not always peaceful even if they aren’t armed and dangerous.
And the fact that there are shouting/screaming crowds interfering with their work, reinforces why they need to be armed.
Sorry dude, but your ongoing attempts to try and lay blame on LE are way off base here.
Bouncers should not be armed, in the West, because their job is mostly just to break up fights by unarmed people. Bouncers in other nations are armed heavily. Horses for courses.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:49 utc | 638

@Juan Moment #634
Thanks for reinforcing that you are a dumbfuck.
Had you actually read the Nationalist Socialist credo – you would see that they advocated health care, education and other common liberal/progressive positions in addition to the anti-immigrant shit.
But there is generally no point conversing with morons – and this is no exception.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:50 utc | 639

So yes, they do need guns.
 
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:49 utc | 649
 

 
Why exactly?  The FEDs can simply sanction their targets, de-bank them, and deprive them of making transactions beyond the black market.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jan 13 2026 15:52 utc | 640

@ c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:49 utc | 649
 
we see it differently then… and trump, along with those who support him seem very attracted to a police state… that is what it looks like to me as an outsider.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 15:53 utc | 641

The FEDs can simply sanction their targets,
 
Posted by: too scents | Jan 13 2026 15:52 utc | 651
 

 
The explicit use of force is performative.    
 

Posted by: too scents | Jan 13 2026 15:54 utc | 642

@ftp #636
There is no “supreme law” in the United States. Thanks for reinforcing that you are a  dumbfuck and don’t know shit.
Among other things: the Constitution itself changes. Witness the prohibition, then reinstatement of the legality of alcohol.
Then there’s the interpretation of said Constitution – which also changes.
Then there’s the federal enforcement (or lack thereof) of said Constitution.
Then there’s the give/take between State and Federal laws.
Then there’s the give/take between State and local/municipal laws.
Then there’s the regulatory agencies, which may or may not have a legal basis ie laws they are regulating in favor of.
You don’t know jack shit about how law actually works in the United States – but like all Dunning Krueger morons, you think you do.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:54 utc | 643

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:41 utc | 643  This was posted as I was writing. c1ue whines about being the victim? As I said, he is a reactionary who hates and fears the people, worships his betters and prays to God to institute law and order to save him from the filthy masses. I will point out that the phrase “Soros prosecutors” is simply contemptible. It is an anti-Semitic (as in Nazi-like) smear. Soros is rich but no, he doesn’t appoint prosecutors or even pay for their election campaigns. Indeed, the truth is that Soros main political work has been in undermining socialist governments. His Open Society Foundation was named after a book by Karl Popper called The Open Society and Its Enemies, a nutty right-wing screed. Popper was a leading light in the Mont Pelerin Society, a prominent collective of right-wing so-called intellectuals (who included such people as Friedrich von Hayek.) Scott Bessent, the current Treasury Secretary and a prominent Trump henchman in the misgovernment worked with/for Soros back in the day. Everything about this clown is unsavory. Nothing he says should be trusted. Drivel about so-called Soros prosecutors isn’t just stupidity, it’s malice.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 13 2026 15:57 utc | 644

@duck n cover #642
Yes, that’s right: resisting law enforcement vastly increases the chances of you getting shot.
Now you are learning, finally.
As for the person being arrested for deportation: yes, he is a known multiple felon. Because that is who ICE is going after right now. They don’t muster a gang like that for kids who overstayed their student visa or green card scam grannies.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:59 utc | 645

@ steven t johnson | Jan 13 2026 15:57 utc | 655
 
thanks for articulating all that steven… and for your other posts here too.. they bring an alternative viewpoint that would otherwise be missing here.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 16:02 utc | 646

@james #644
The LE officer did not fuck up.
He did nothing whatsoever that is not both legally allowable and understandable given the situation and his own past.
You want to blame him for not choosing the one optimal path out of myriad possibilities, that’s your prerogative but I don’t agree. That is Monday Morning Quarterbacking with a vengeance.
But I will say that it is very likely that he himself, would normally suffer from this incident. Not the media approbation or bad thoughts by those who think like you, but from self doubt over whether he did the right thing.
If anything, the approbation/bad thoughts are more likely to drive him to suppress this natural self doubt.
So thank you for trying to help him get over his inevitable PTSD.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:04 utc | 647

@ c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:04 utc | 658
 
well, as i said – we see it differently here, but much else of what you’ve said, i agree with, regarding how the fellow who shot the lady is going to process all that… i don’t wish that on anyone..  but then maybe some cause for reflection might happen in the usa over the mass proliferation of guns and how so many innocent people have been murdered as a result of them.. guns are not the answer, unless one wants to live in a police state.  and even then i doubt it.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 16:08 utc | 648

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:23 utc | 641
 
c1ue,  you are usually level headed about such incidents.  I haven’t looked at any videos but just the amount of attention this violent action is having should make you think twice.  I was always afraid for my son among the homeless that ICE would sweep him up in one of their frequent raids.  Carrying no documents on his person he was an easy mark, even though he didn’t look hispanic. 
 
And here,  if Steven T. is on the victim’s side, who then can stand against her?  I saw, reading karlof’s latest very well constructed substack piece (I’m going back for a second look this morning) that in his ‘mirror’ text was a comparison to the Kent State killings as a pivotal moment.  Whatever we think of homeless people or of students protesting a cause (and we do have that happening also at present),  how that affects the public at large is worthy of note.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 13 2026 16:11 utc | 649

@james #648
Detroit was a shit show before the auto industry left town.
The difference before was that there were at least moderately prospering suburbs where the auto industry people lived, surrounding the small tourist CBD but much larger urban favela of the city.
Once the jobs and suburbanites left (those who could), then the cancer that was True Blue Detroit metastasized and destroyed the entire area.
So no, can’t say that your pronouncement is accurate in any sense.
As for blaming capitalism: this is idiotic beyond words. Was the US not capitalistic in the 1990s?1980s? 1970s? 1960s? 1950s? earlier?
I am not a believer in unfettered free market capitalism, but neither am I a believer in dogmatic socialism. I think a reality based society has to make decisions on how to behave, in the myriads of areas, by choosing whatever makes sense.
What is going on now is not an outcome of economic philosophy.
It is an outcome of class based domination of society.
I have talked repeated about the Brazilianization process.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:11 utc | 650

@too scents #651
Sorry, but debanking has not happened in the US.
It has happened in Canada, it has happened in the EU, it has happened in the UK but not here (yet).
And most of the above are socialist/progressive nations lol. At least by their own propaganda.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:13 utc | 651

You don’t know jack shit about how law actually works in the United States – but like all Dunning Krueger morons, you think you do.
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 15:54 utc | 654
LOL. What is the defining characteristic of a DK moron? That you don’t see it is fucking hilarious. (hint: they ‘know’ they are the smart one)
c1ue, you are a ‘Good German’. A cop-sucker and state-worshiping fool. Carry on ‘knowing’ you are the superior one.
As said before, I hope you and those like you get treated EXACTLY the same way when it is your turn. Nothing but a bullet-of-freedom to the face is going to get you to understand how sick your support of these cowardly murderers is. 
May KARMA educate you, before you bleed out.
 
Also: Just curious about your normal procedure. Do you normally suck the cops dick before or after you get the ticket?

Posted by: ftp | Jan 13 2026 16:14 utc | 652

@james #652
Yes, you are an outsider. Australian, I believe.
Well, it is easy for a petro/coal/iron ore/other commodity subsidized nation with few people to be nice to its population – see Canada.
But then again, Australia is also an American bitch, as a nation.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:15 utc | 653

Sorry, but debanking has not happened in the US.
 
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:13 utc | 662
 

 
Then what is it that happens when you don’t pay your taxes?
 

Posted by: too scents | Jan 13 2026 16:15 utc | 654

@james #659
Please stop with your liberal nonsense.
The US has guns because the Founding Fathers recognized that an armed population is the best way to resist authoritarianism.
Yes, more people die in such nations – principally from suicide, both direct and suicide by cop, but that’s the price you pay.
What you still don’t get is that people want guns. Who the fuck are you, to deny them that, if you are such a believer in liberty and free will and what not?
The price of liberty and free will and what not is that terrible shit is ALSO going to happen.
The freedom to make good choices encompasses the same freedom to make bad ones.
The difference between conservatives and liberals, is that conservatives believe most people will make the good ones while liberals want to ensure that nobody makes the bad ones – and that the distinction of what is good or bad is made by the authorities (which is them).
No thank you.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:19 utc | 655

@too scents #665
It ain’t debanking.
The IRS sets up an automatic draw from your (still existing) bank account via the legal process of garnishment.
Or do you not understand the difference between a legal garnishment vs. a prohibition from accessing your own money?

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:21 utc | 656

@juliania #660
I frankly don’t care about past sentiments.
If you cannot or will not objectively analyze what happened, then that’s your problem – not mine.
Nor am I the least bit moved by STJ’s nonsense. I don’t even bother responding to that idiot’s foolishness much like I completely ignore the other troll LD.
Both have abundantly demonstrated a complete divorce from fact in favor of ideology, and I can’t be bothered.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:23 utc | 657

@ c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:19 utc | 666
 
i could say, please stop with your right wing conservative nonsense, but i choose not to…   i am not sure what the ”founding fathers” would say at this point c1ue… there are a number of dynamics that have changed since that time, including letting women vote too! 
 
what are your thoughts on a large number of ice officers being ex idf members? what do you think of the idea trump and this immigration approach is mimicking what goes on in israel here? i am curious.. 
 
i don’t really want to turn a conversation onto a left – right axis myself.. i was hoping for something more rewarding that that.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 16:24 utc | 658

@ftp #663
It is so sad, how bad your insults are.
Really, like a child’s.
But then again, we have already established that you are stupid – maybe it is just because you have the mental capability and understanding of reality, of a child?
In which case, I apologize for not taking into account your mental retardation. 
LOL

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:25 utc | 659

Or do you not understand the difference between a legal garnishment vs. a prohibition from accessing your own money?
 
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:21 utc | 667
 

 
I understand better than you.  Money that you cannot access is gone.
 
There is no argument in the defence of the explicit use of violence when other effective means of social control exist, except perhaps that you personally enjoy a little Sadism.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jan 13 2026 16:28 utc | 660

@ c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:11 utc | 661
 
late stage capitalism.. that is the difference here… 1990s started out as a concerted neoliberal project with reagan, thatcher and mulroney leading the charge.. privatize everything… well here we are over 30 years later and it doesn’t look very pretty to me… late stage capitalism where leaders like trump want to get rid of international law and switch to the law of the jungle – might makes right… 
 
at some point c1ue, you are going to have to question what you’re presently supporting.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 16:28 utc | 661

The lesson here is do not play auto tag with armed BP officers and agents……very bad thing will occur.
She has been playing tag with BP for weeks, and finally her luck ran out.  
I wonder if Alex Soros provides death benefits for his employees?  Just asking for a friend!

Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 13 2026 16:31 utc | 662

@james #669
I am a conservative but I am not a neocon, nor am I a libertarian.
I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of decisions which is why I never advocate censorship of anyone – even, or especially, the morons.
Nor is your lame attempt to bring up historical changes, relevant.
The entire point of the US Constitution is that it is NOT dogmatic. It can, and will, change over time according to the will of the people, via a defined process.
Did anyone allow women to vote in the 1700s? I doubt any nations did.
Australia did not allow it until 1902. That’s more than 100 years before the founding of the US. And this was well before the UK and France.
So your sad attempt at a rejoinder falls flat in the face of, yet again, reality.
As for ex-IDF officers: so what?
You would prefer them to be shooting Palestinians in Gaza?
If anything, I would think ex-IDF officers in a different country, are expressing that they don’t agree with state sanctioned violence since they could get all they want, and more, staying in the IDF.
Furthermore: Are you not doing precisely the shit that the Israelis are doing in Gaza: painting with broad strokes? Presuming every IDF ex-member – even though Israel has a COMPULSORY DRAFT – must be a murdering psychopath?
Please, you are just sinking lower and lower.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:34 utc | 663

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 16:28 utc | 672 
i would not bet on that happening.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 13 2026 16:34 utc | 664

@too scents #671
You don’t understand shit. Money that you owed, that you did not pay, is not yours. By definition.
And garnishment is not debanking.
Debanking means you cannot use your own bank account for any reason. Freezing CBR assets is debanking. Trucker protest online and normal bank account freezes are debanking. Farage got debanked.
Getting garnished is not debanking in any sense of the word except that of a libertarian: its MUH money because I hold it!

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:37 utc | 665

c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:34 utc | 674
 
i choose also not to characterize your views and commentary in a depreciating manner as you’ve done here with mine…  
 
things change… claiming what the founding fathers did – fine… but remember nothing lasts forever and things change…
 
@ pretzelattack | Jan 13 2026 16:34 utc | 675
 
lol… maybe not today anyway! 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 16:38 utc | 666

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:25 utc | 670
Reinforcing my comment on what the real DK dipshits do.
They claim to ‘know’.    Even when it is not possible. 
As for childish insults, review yours.  I am sure you think them witty and pithy. 
Really starting to thing c1ue might actually be Donald Trump. Same arrogance. Same stupidity. Same lack of metacognition. Same ego. Same bloodlust.  
 
Do carry on. Little is as entertaining as watching a fool, being the fool shamelessly and obliviously… 
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Jan 13 2026 16:38 utc | 667

the ICE officer committed murder. probably second degree.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 13 2026 16:38 utc | 668

c1ue – 667  absolutely correct, the first thing a socialist, communist or fascist government wishes to do is to disarm the civilian population and make them in to rabbits, see Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Lenin, Mao Zedong and company (although most Chinese peasants were too poor, unfortunately to afford firearms).
Lately the neo fascistic government in Ireland, UK, Australia, and NZ have accomplished the same thing.  Near total confiscation of all modern civilian firearms.
 
There are over 500 M privately owned firearms in the US for good reason……insurance against tyrants……….Sic Semper Tyranus………

Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 13 2026 16:39 utc | 669

You don’t understand shit.
 
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:37 utc | 676
 

 
Keep working on definitions and avoid addressing your Sadism.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jan 13 2026 16:41 utc | 670

@james #672
Sorry bud, but you clearly are not reading what I am writing.
You clearly are thinking with something other than your head.
I don’t support the present economic or social system.
But that has nothing to do with the present – continuity with the past – legal system.
You want to blame it all on capitalism, but refuse to acknowledge that capitalism was the law of the land, long before this era.
Even calling the “neoliberalism” the problem, is mostly nonsense. You clearly have not studied history, or learned from it if you did.
The US did have laissez faire capitalism – far worse than the neoliberalism of today – in the past. And there were eras where it worked, and then there were eras where it did not work. But the “not work” period was not so much because of laissez faire capitalism in the application of building real things – it was the financial laissez faire leading to the 1929 Crash, which in turn led to the Great Depression, which was the problem. The regular as rain, financial panics every 10-15 years or so before the formation of the Federal Reserve hurt only the banksters, for the most part.
Of course, we are now in a different era and cannot return to pre-Fed economics/banking, but understanding hat actually happened in the past, as opposed to liberal/progressive (or libertarian/neocon) propaganda is critical to understanding what is happening today.
And you clearly don’t.
But whatever.
Your ongoing attempts to try and take the high ground, fail on the shoals of lack of knowledge and unfamiliarity with reality.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:45 utc | 671

There are over 500 M privately owned firearms in the US for good reason……insurance against tyrants……….Sic Semper Tyranus………
Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 13 2026 16:39 utc | 680
 
Just a small point. Those guns?
The do nothing sitting in a closet rusting.
 
Maybe you can answer for me;
If they have not been used as “insurance against tyrants” yet, what makes you think they ever will be? Just what cause, that has not happened yet I assume, is it that should trigger the army of beer can assassins to act?
 
Just like “guns don’t kill people, people do”, “Guns don’t prevent tyranny, people do”. Guns themselves won’t save you, action will. I see no action.

Posted by: ftp | Jan 13 2026 16:47 utc | 672

@ftp #678
Just sad.
I have clearly said that this woman’s death was a tragedy – but that doesn’t change the fact that she was more at fault for it happening, than anyone else.
But clearly you don’t read, or comprehend, anything that you don’t already agree with.
You are a good dem-bot lol.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:48 utc | 673

@pretzelattack #679
In your own opinion, or in the opinion of a court of law?
I’ll take a bet on the latter.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:49 utc | 674

@  c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:45 utc | 682
 
have the last word… here is a video that goes into the topic of finances that tom phofzer just shared on the most recent thread on iran that you might appreciate.. i am watching it now – 
THE “$688 Billion” EXIT: Why China Just Sold US Debt at a Record Loss
 
i might not know everything, but i try to keep an open mind.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 16:50 utc | 675

@too scents #681
Here is Wikipedia’s definition of debanking:

Debanking (sometimes spelled de-banking, and also known within the banking industry as de-risking) is the closure of people’s or organizations’ bank accounts by banks that perceive the account holders to pose a financial, legal, regulatory, or reputational risk to the bank.

Sure don’t see anything about debanking by keeping a person’s account open but taking money from it, legally.
Just sad, how you won’t admit you are wrong.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:51 utc | 676

under the law. whether a court in the US will follow the law is another question entirely.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 13 2026 16:52 utc | 677

i might not know everything, but i try to keep an open mind.. 
 
Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 16:50 utc | 686
 

 
Careful with the AI generated “Asian Guy”.  He’s famous.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jan 13 2026 16:56 utc | 678

@ftp #678Just sad.I have clearly said that this woman’s death was a tragedy – but that doesn’t change the fact that she was more at fault for it happening, than anyone else.But clearly you don’t read, or comprehend, anything that you don’t already agree with.You are a good dem-bot lol.
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:48 utc | 684
 
 
 
OH boy. You write this in response to;
Reinforcing my comment on what the real DK dipshits do.They claim to ‘know’.    Even when it is not possible. As for childish insults, review yours.  I am sure you think them witty and pithy. Really starting to thing c1ue might actually be Donald Trump. Same arrogance. Same stupidity. Same lack of metacognition. Same ego. Same bloodlust.   
Maybe you should go review the definition of irony.
 
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Jan 13 2026 16:58 utc | 679

@james #686
I saw that headline too – that’s is on my list to look at.
But I have to say at first glance: Pfotzer is wrong as usual.
Among other things: the statement that “China is dumping all of its Treasuries” has been a recurring meme for literally a decade.
Yes it is true that China has greatly reduced its holdings of US Treasuries – and that it is down to $688B as of October 2025 according to the US Treasury data here.
Anyway – went through the video quick, and as I thought, garbage. It does not refer to China selling its present (ie October 2025) holdings, it refers to the reduction that’s been going on for years. In point of fact, China’s Treasury holdings have gone down, but only modestly in the past year, both from the above link and from this one.
Just the usual clickbait bullshit.
 

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 17:02 utc | 680

@ftp #690
You already have printed laughable childish nonsense.
Your attempt at NPR jabs falls short, not that I give a shit about those types of things anyway.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 17:04 utc | 681

@tobias cole #680
Sorry but I am not a rabid 2nd amendment type either.
My view is very simple: if the democratic people of the US choose to forgo the right to bear arms by repealing the 2nd amendment, via the Constitutionally defined process of amendment, than I am fine with it.
Just as I am fine with people, in the meantime, having the right to bear arms.
But I am against the PMC/lawfare/regulatory bullshit that is used by anti-gun types to try and get around the 2nd amendment.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 17:08 utc | 682

Sure don’t see anything about debanking by keeping a person’s account open but taking money from it, legally.
 
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:51 utc | 687
 

 
A distinction without a difference.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jan 13 2026 17:09 utc | 683

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 17:04 utc | 692
 
The response of a pathetic coward with no actual response to why he continues to be a coward. Presumptuous twit too as the question was directed a Tobias not you SFB.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Jan 13 2026 17:21 utc | 684

@too scents #694
LOL ok – now you have officially crossed into liberal-land.
Definitions don’t matter.
Reality doesn’t matter.
ONLY WHAT I BELIEVE!
LOL

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 17:32 utc | 685

@ftp #695
Heh you still cannot read.
My response specifically referenced post 690 – in which you quoted me directly from post 684.
Sad, just sad.
Too much emotion for you to handle?
Can’t function under pressure?

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 17:35 utc | 686

Reality doesn’t matter.
 
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 17:32 utc | 696
 

 
The reality is that sadistic brown shirts are killing people to establish a credible threat when other enforcement methods are available.
 
The question is why should deadly violence be used?  What drives the lust to exercise Sadism if not Sadism?
 

Posted by: too scents | Jan 13 2026 17:41 utc | 687

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 17:35 utc | 697
Wow. That made sense to you? I think I see your issue.
Sad effort to evade there coward.
So, since you clearly want to blather on and show how much ‘smarter’ you are, what is you answer to 690 then? 
Betting you have none and will continue to dodge the question. Which reinforces my point quite well if so.
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Jan 13 2026 17:48 utc | 688

@ c1ue | Jan 13 2026 17:02 utc | 691
 
thanks and for the overview on it as you see it… 
 
what do you think of the idea of late stage capitalism, as expressed by these ideas of trump – land grab – venezuela and greenland?  to me it is another way to continue growing the military/banking/energy complex which is running out of options.. thus the need for more wars, more resource grabs and all the money generated from it… your thoughts? 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 18:36 utc | 689

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2026 16:45 utc | 682The regular as rain, financial panics every 10-15 years or so before the formation of the Federal Reserve hurt only the banksters, for the most part.

 
This would be psychotic, if said with sincerity. It is almost certain that the guy knows this is absolute BS and he only says this because the masses of working people out of a job (before such rotten modern boondoggles like unemployment insurance and SNAP and so on) and family farms foreclosed are rabble whose sufferings don’t count. Plus, of course, when banks went under, all the depositors lost money, maybe all they had in the bank! But for him only some people’s sufferings matter as far as conservatives are concerned. This person puts his ideology above mere fact, always. The cliche that every accusation is a projection (as in, I wish I could do that or I do that so I’d better distract attention from me) seems tailored to conservatives.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 13 2026 19:12 utc | 690

PS The notion that financial crises in world economy are a thing of the past, as in “since the formation of the Federal Reserve…” is another case of ideology trumping mere fact. One of the greatest truths you can find in economics is that every economist who thinks the business cycle has been scientifically corrected, is wrong. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 13 2026 19:14 utc | 691

@ steven t johnson | Jan 13 2026 19:12 utc | 701
 
that kind of stuck out in c1ues commentary for me as well… obama bailed the banks and it was the little guy that suffered.. hard to imagine someone suggesting it was the opposite, isn’t it? 
 
the whole premise of the private central bank, is to do this cycle regularly – boom, bust, bailout… it is a con to think they are managing anything other then an ongoing rip off of the little guy, to serve the extremely wealthy… 

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2026 19:56 utc | 692

US election politics have so many theatrical blockbuster twists and turns. More so now than ever. I think that speaks to the grip that influential zionists jews have on the country. They do have a certain theatrical flare about them. What can you say about a people, yes 99% of them, who cry about their own genocide, but to the commit it again in within a century? The jews really know no bounds when pushing the envelope of justification, but even worse are the many compromised non jews who have found a ally that does not judge, but hold their sins above their heads and at the same time feeds their sins at the same time. What a diabolical scheme. Completely cynical and all evil. I hope the Eastern people will learn from the western experience with jews and not feel bad when faced with their own need for a final solution. 

Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | Jan 17 2026 23:11 utc | 693