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January 17, 2026
Dark Kiev

The electricity and heat supply in Ukraine has stopped in large parts of the country. Kiev had already been on scheduled blackouts where groups of consumers received for example four hours of electricity to then be cutoff for eight hours. That scheduling has ended. The blackout has become permanent.

Over several weeks Russian attacks had isolated the electricity supply in Kiev from other parts of the country. It then attacked generating stations within the city. There is now less than 10% of electricity supply available than the city would normally use. Public lighting has been shut down as much as possible. Factories have closed down. Schools and Universities are on prolonged holidays. Many shops have closed as running their private generators is costing more money than they can make while open.

The electricity generation stations were also supplying hot water for long-distance heating. Several hundred of Soviet era high-rises in Kiev, each of them with hundreds of apartments, have neither heat nor power. The temperature in Ukraine has been below zero degree C for several days. Many of the buildings had not drained their water systems. The radiators and water supply lines have frozen and burst open. Those high rises are now uninhabitable. Experts estimate that up to nine month repair time, and a lot of money, will be needed to fix each of them. There are about 150,000 people affected by this.

Kiev is not the only city in trouble. Odessa is likewise shut down. People are protesting in the streets. Dnipro has similar problems. Today an attack hit Kharkiv and disable one of the last combined heat and electricity station within the city. Sumy and Zaparochia also reported blackouts.

Currently a wave of arctic air is flowing into Ukraine with night temperatures expected to go down to minus 30° centigrade.

The government of Ukraine says that it is expecting a new Russian wave of attacks. This, it says, will likely take out transformer station that make up Ukraine’s long distance 750 kilovolt electricity network which is fed by nuclear power stations. The stations are not endangered but they would have to lower their output or shut down as there will be no-one connected to them to receive the electricity they generate.

Large electric energy systems are very complex. To restart a system once it broke down requires a lot of coordination and planning. Any mistake will immediately lead to new breakdowns and damaged equipment. The systems in Kiev are now in a state where it could take weeks without new Russian attacks to get the it up and running again.

Ukraine had been warned that any attack on Russian infrastructure would be responded to in kind. But it continued to attack Russian cities which led to deaths and serious problems in Belgograd and elsewhere.

For three years Russia had mostly refrained from attacking Ukrainian infrastructure. Electricity and heat supply operated at peace time levels. Only during the last year did attacks increase. In March 2025  President Trump announced a 30 day infrastructure ceasefire. Russia committed to it. Ukraine didn’t.

In November 2015 Ukraine blew up transmission pylons that supplied Crimea. 75% of its populations were left without electricity. A brewery in Lviv celebrated that by creating a dark beer named ‘Crimea by night’.

In 1999 NATO bombed Serbia to further split up Yugoslavia. NATO bombing started on March 23 1999. It took out some 80% of Serbia’s electricity and water supply. During a press conference on May 25 1999 NATO spokesman Jamie Shea justified the attacks as follows:

Question: Yesterday, several television reports showed Yugoslav doctors and … facing difficult standards related to their generators in their hospitals and who ultimately accuse the Alliance of taking the civilian population hostage, and therefore taking innocent people hostage by bombing power stations, transformers, and drinking water pipes.

Jamie Shea: Pierre, excuse me if I reply to this in English but this is an important point and therefore I would like to get my message across universally here to everybody in this room.

Let us not lose sight of proportions in this debate. President Milosevic has got plenty of back-up generators. His armed forces have hundreds of them. He can either use these back-up generators to supply his hospitals, his schools, or he can use them to supply his military. His choice. If he has a big headache over this, then that is exactly what we want him to have and I am not going to make any apology for that.
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Question (Norwegian News Agency): I am sorry Jamie but if you say that the Army has a lot of back-up generators, why are you depriving 70% of the country of not only electricity, but also water supply, if he has so much back-up electricity that he can use because you say you are only targeting military targets?

Jamie Shea: Yes, I’m afraid electricity also drives command and control systems. If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO’s five conditions and we will stop this campaign. But as long as he doesn’t do so we will continue to attack those targets which provide the electricity for his armed forces. If that has civilian consequences, it’s for him to deal with but that water, that electricity is turned back on for the people of Serbia.

It seems that NATO doctrine says that the side of a war that has sever trouble with its infrastructure has choices to make to better its circumstances. It is time for someone to teach that to Kiev.

Comments

The electricity generation stations were also supplying hot water for long-distance heating
 
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long distance = fernwärme = district heating 😋

Posted by: Exile | Jan 17 2026 18:21 utc | 1

Turnabout is fair play…It was insane for Ukraine to keep attacking Russian infrastructure and cities when Ukraine was far more vulnerable….But the Neo-Nazis don’t care about civilians, even their own….

Posted by: pyrrhus | Jan 17 2026 18:26 utc | 2

Gee… That’s too bad. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 17 2026 18:26 utc | 3

Hey!  It is nice to see something on MOA about the Ukraine again!  It looked like everyone had forgotten about the proxy war.
 
Obviously the situation in the Ukraine is approaching a humanitarian disaster.  Think about the children! as Hillary Clinton used to say.  Clearly, the EU will have to intervene military to protect the Ukrainian population, just like in former Yugoslavia.  Either that, or the EU will decide to focus on Greenland instead of the Ukraine.  Any votes on which is more likely?

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jan 17 2026 18:28 utc | 4

The reports I saw yesterday were saying the poorer are blocking streets and protesting in the affluent areas as the rich places still have 24/7 power supplied by the state, while the poor areas are getting an hour a day or none.
 
Well, at least the street light and power poles have a secondary use……. got rope?
 
 

Posted by: ftp | Jan 17 2026 18:32 utc | 5

“The city services are operating in emergency mode,” Kiev mayor Klitschko repeated the call he made the week before on Friday for residents to flee. If memory serves I’m sure he has a luxury property in Germany & no doubt a well prepared ratline when the inevitable total collapse occurs.
Obviously most Kiev residents have nowhere to flee from and I imagine their Western controllers and perception managers are not going to allow WWII style footage of mass civilian streams heading for Europe. 
So the choice seems to be freeze or die or both.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/news/kiev-mayor-urges-residents-to-leave-city-following-russian-attack/ar-AA1TTSyK

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Jan 17 2026 18:36 utc | 6

If Russia were the US they would call it a “peace plan”

Posted by: Avtonom | Jan 17 2026 18:38 utc | 7

NATO doesn’t care about Ukraine’s welfare neither does Zelenski and his cabal. The Ukraine population is expendable. Of course there are many despicable individuals among the populace as well. I would say kill the nation and divide the population is probably the best bet at this moment. The Russophobes among them could be absorbed by Poland and Romania, let those who have affinity with the great Rus (Slavic) , be absorbed by the Russian Federation and the Hungarian can take their people back. It’s not going to be tidy, but at least some people’s life would be saved. 

Posted by: Steve | Jan 17 2026 18:38 utc | 8

thanks b….  the folks in kiev and elsewhere have had 4 years to sort it out, or leave… of course the military age people – anyone to 65 now?) can’t leave, as they have to stick around as cannon fodder…  it surprises me how the west encourages this assault on the ukrainians, while also encouraging them to do horrible acts on russia – dropping the bridge on the train carrying the students, only one example here.. 
 
i am sure the neo nazis in ukraine and the uk are happy at present.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 17 2026 18:39 utc | 9

Where is that annoying guy who was for years asking Russia to destroy 750 KV transformers. His wishes were granted!
But he is gonna now ask for 1100 KV stations to be destroyed.  Even though 404 doesn’t have them.
Enjoy the Kievan Dark Nights…. Ukronazzzzzzzzzzzies!

Posted by: Preki | Jan 17 2026 18:41 utc | 10

good parallel on the nato attack on serbia as well b…2 can play this game..

Posted by: james | Jan 17 2026 18:41 utc | 11

Are there reports how many have left Kiew?
I think there is some resilience in the population to stay . I lived in the southern highland of Tanzania with five childen. Water and electricity supply were more off than on. Temperatures dropped near to 0°C in the cold season.
I lived in rural Germany in cold winters without central heating. If had an apartment in Kiew without heat, electricty an water, I have already ideas how to live there.
The idea that Russia does this to empty the city for an assault seem a bit strange to me.

Posted by: Johann Siegfried von Oberndorf | Jan 17 2026 18:42 utc | 12

Indeed.  But first of all, recall that “The Ukrainians” are not in charge.  Ukraine is being used as a battering ram against Russia.  The western elites who call the shots could care less about the Ukrainians.  And even if Ukraine is turned into a desolate unpowered wasteland, remember that all the industrial and intelligence systems are outside the Ukraine and Russia can’t touch them.  So Ukraine can still be used as a launchpad to target Russia, and Russia can’t target the source of the weapons used to attack it, it can only make the Ukrainian civilians miserable.  The western elites are laughing over their champagne, because this will cement Ukraine as a rabid anti-Russia for generations if not centuries.
What is Russia to do?  I can’t say.  Perhaps the US will attack Greenland and NATO will  dissolve.  Perhaps the Ukrainian proxy-elites will be so discredited that even with all the repression and propaganda, Ukraine will be ungovernable by them and Russia will win by default.  All I can say is that, right now, Ukrainian civilians freezing to death is not a win for Russia.

Posted by: TG | Jan 17 2026 18:48 utc | 13

Great, another article about Ukraine. What about Venezuela, Lebanon, Palestine, or Iran? 

Posted by: WhatAbout? | Jan 17 2026 18:51 utc | 14

Great, another article about Ukraine. What about Venezuela, Lebanon, Palestine, or Iran? 
Posted by: WhatAbout? | Jan 17 2026 18:51 utc | 14

Why don’t you write one?

Posted by: chrissie | Jan 17 2026 18:54 utc | 15

I don’t recall any prominent figures in the Blinken or Trump administrations deigning to acknowledge the devastation wrought by American bombs in Gaza. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-israel-war-hamas-water-ecosystems-ceasefire-b2847085.htmlBut they’ll surely cry Bloody Murder about he catastrophe in Ukraine…

Posted by: JohnH | Jan 17 2026 18:54 utc | 16

Posted by: WhatAbout? | Jan 17 2026 18:51 utc | 14
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This is the Ukraine thread. For Palestine, Iran, Venezuela, there are plenty of other threads.
So shut up and go read.

Posted by: scc | Jan 17 2026 18:54 utc | 17

USA and Germany were instrumental in destroying my country Yugoslavia.
Now, divided into 6 impotent little entities. Slaves. Rotten.
I remember dignified past, now I see the rot in our society.
Beware, bastards, beware about everything. Palestine is the wound. BEWARE.

Posted by: stranger | Jan 17 2026 18:56 utc | 18

 
One must wonder if these were the conditions in Kiev three years ago, how much shorter this war would have been….and how many fewer lives would be lost. 

Posted by: Maverick | Jan 17 2026 18:58 utc | 19

Whataboutism” or “whataboutery

Posted by: c(-old) | Jan 17 2026 18:59 utc | 20

Thank you b – this is NATO cumuppance from their regime change war against Serbia in 1999.
Serbia endured over 70 days of continuous air strikes on mostly civilian targets all under the direction the NATO grand interlocutor General Wesley Clark (later a neo con deep state presidential candidate), and Billy Boy Clinton (wholly owned by the Soros group).
NATO air strikes badly polluted the Danube River when they struck Serb chemical plants, and they destroyed the Yugo auto factory too, hardly military targets.
Also remember the deliberate attack on the Serb passenger trains in which dozens of Serb civilians were killed, and the destruction of the Serb RTV station HQ in Belgrade, with more civilian deaths.  Farmers slain harvesting their crops in the fields, atrocities committed every day against Serbs by the KLA (note here Serbia was conducting absolutely legit counter insurgency operations in their own home province of Kosovo prior the NATO air campaign in March 1999).  KLA funded by SA by the way.
In effect NATO wished to destroy a reliable RF ally, sever Kosovo from the Serb nation, decouple the close relationship with Montenegro, and destroy Serb Bosnia (which they continue to do to this day).  Remember in a joint Croatan Fascist and NATO operation they had already destroyed the Serbian Republic of Krajina in 1995, in order to deprive the Serbs of any direct access to the Adriatic Sea.
Even last year we witnessed an attempted color revolution the Serb Republic engineered by the Soros group, the CIA and MI6.  It failed, but they will try again especially if the Ukraine completely collapses (which seems very likely).
In that event, expect that NATO will seek revenge on Serbia.  They will most likely attack Serb Bosnia in force, and stage the final genocide of Serbs in Metro Northern Kosovo.
My advice to RF is do not delay, the ground is now completely frozen, move quickly to defeat the NATOists in the Ukraine, and secure the land bridges to Transnistria and Hungary – remember how how the collapse of the land bridge to the Krajina doomed the entire Serb population in the Republic.  Rest assured the same thing will happen to the Russians in the Transnistria if you do not relieve them promptly.
My advice to the Serbs is to round up all the NGO activist CIA/MI6 spies and deport them, and prepare for invasion like actions by NATO, for they are coming and soon too.  Make sure your commo is hardened and your command staff is dispersed and using only land lines and written orders, learn from Iran and Syria what compromised commo can do !
St. Sava protect us! 

Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 17 2026 19:06 utc | 21

Posted by: Maverick | Jan 17 2026 18:58 utc | 19
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So it’s Russia fault, is it?
Russia should have immediately resorted to inhumane treatment of civilians because it should have anticipated the West would back Ukraine and prevent any peace agreement?

Posted by: scc | Jan 17 2026 19:06 utc | 22

Thanks for the posting b
 
Where are the Epstein files?……/s
 
I have written before that societal breakdown is one of the Ukraine surrender options instead of military or negotiated…….it will be hard for Z to negotiate with anyone to end the conflict when the public is looking for him to hang.
 
Maybe we will get both military and societal collapse at the same time.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 17 2026 19:07 utc | 23

The lights and heat go out in Ukraine but the one single strike that has made a huge difference was the Oreshnik strike on the gas storage facility in eastern Ukraine. The underground storage facilities in the east are Europe’s largest.
 
The Euro monkeys are now singing in a different tune. The American neo-cons term killing Russians as making them pay a price. I recon keep hitting those underground gas storage facilities with Oreshniks and make Europe pay a price.
 
After reading back through that Ukraine tg channel yesterday – for whatever he is in other directions, Trump was genuine on peace negotiations. The Jew mafia that is called the president of Ukraine was worried.
 
Europe getting its largest gas storage facility taken out, the realestate shyster going after Greenland ……

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 17 2026 19:07 utc | 24

long distance = fernwärme = district heating 😋
 
Posted by: Exile | Jan 17 2026 18:21 utc | 1
 

 
We have fernwärme and it is a double gotcha.  The remote boiler supplies a local heat pump so if the electricity to run the heat pump fails there is no heat even if the remote boiler continues working.
 
The opposite of a resilient system.  Its cheaper because of regulatory efficiencies.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jan 17 2026 19:09 utc | 25

Posted by: Kiev | Jan 17 2026 19:05 utc | 21
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What about Xi Jinping as suggested by Princess Bodica?
WILL YOU STOP POSTING THIS SHIT  OVER AND OVER you dumb*”#£

Posted by: scc | Jan 17 2026 19:09 utc | 26

The idea that Russia does this to empty the city for an assault seem a bit strange to me.
Posted by: Johann Siegfried von Oberndorf | Jan 17 2026 18:42 utc | 12

 
I don’t think the prioritized purpose of Russia is to empty the city. I think it is to finally get an end to this war. 
 
Ukr Nazi leaders seem to believe (and up to now, rightly so) that there are endless resources to be given to them so they can go on. 
 
Russia has in fact been incredibly patient. Now, I think, the patience is rather thin. And then there are all the attacs on their own infrastructure from Ukr/UK/US. So, they escalate. Very wisely.

Posted by: Avtonom | Jan 17 2026 19:09 utc | 27

So, here’s my question, how come the population can’t or won’t protest? We see in the US how people are ready to riot in the time it takes for something to happen, it to make it onto social media, and then people to see that social media. What exactly is the population in Kiev doing since they have, essentially, every reason to do so, and nothing else better to do except sit in the dark and freeze?

Posted by: Stark | Jan 17 2026 19:10 utc | 28

“Why don’t you write one?
Posted by: chrissie | Jan 17 2026 18:54 utc | 15
 
I dont run a geo-political website for one. Secondly, we all know Russia will win in Ukraine. I want to be re-assured that Hezbollah, Iran, and the Palestinians will prevail. I dont need re-assurance of Russia’s victory any longer, thats a given.

Posted by: WhatAbout? | Jan 17 2026 19:12 utc | 29

FAFO

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 19:12 utc | 30

psychohistorian | Jan 17 2026 19:07 utc | 24
 
The entire west is going through societal collapse. Imploding through internal rot.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 17 2026 19:13 utc | 31

actually as I sit here and write that, I really do wonder what the people in Kiev are doing in general. If the situation really is that bad, you’d expect there to be an exodus of people out of the city the way there were when the war first kicked off, traffic stretching for kilometers, snaking out of town. Unless I’m wrong, there’s nothing. It’s as if the people really are just sitting in the dark, doing nothing.
 
 
I also wonder why my two other sources for war updates – Simplicious and Dr. Campbell – haven’t reported on this. 

Posted by: Stark | Jan 17 2026 19:13 utc | 32

The western elites are laughing over their champagne, because this will cement Ukraine as a rabid anti-Russia for generations if not centuries.
Posted by: TG | Jan 17 2026 18:48 utc | 13
 
Although I get the gist I have some reservations.
The US empire dropped 2 nuclear bombs on Japan. The 2 nukes were unnecessary and a mere show of force. We don’t see the Japanese being rabidly anti-US. Worse, we see Takaichi dancing to Rump’s tune.
The Western elites will be forced to find ways to sooth their expendible meat lest they stop following marching orders as the current hardships are becoming too unbearable and an actual secession of hostilities without any precondition would seem like the only viable exit.
 
I’d say Russia’s current course is the right one. If this were a country adjacent to the US, at the very least it would be Falujah and at most worse it would be Nagasaki x Hiroshima.
https://tgstat.ru/en/channel/@DDGeopolitics/170677

Posted by: xor | Jan 17 2026 19:13 utc | 33

Posted by: Johann Siegfried von Oberndorf | Jan 17 2026 18:42 utc | 12
 
They do it to make it impossible for Nato/nazis to use Ukraine’s infrastructure for the purpose of attacking Russia.
 
By taking down electricity it forces Nato to ship their own fuel, generators, and setup their own infrastructure, increasing costs and imposing direct costs on Nato in terms of Russia then hitting Nato logistics, instead of ‘free’ Soviet era logistics they were using before.
 
Population leaving or freezing is an unfortunate side effect, thank Vicky Nuland, Tony Blinken and Hillary Clingon for that.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 17 2026 19:13 utc | 34

Some threads ago there was a certain Andrew who stated that he was enjoying sipping a red whine glass in shorts in his Kiev apartment. And that the situation was not as bad as told by the pro Russian side.
 
Perhaps he could come back and give some feedback.

Posted by: scc | Jan 17 2026 19:15 utc | 35

Posted by: TG | Jan 17 2026 18:48 utc | 13
 
Laughable. That is seriously weak coping, there, TG. Who’s going to fight?

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 17 2026 19:19 utc | 36

Posted by: Johann Siegfried von Oberndorf | Jan 17 2026 18:42 utc | 12

 
Head on over to ukraine and show ’em how it’s done, Daniel Boone.

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 17 2026 19:20 utc | 37

@33 Stark

“It’s as if the people really are just sitting in the dark, doing nothing.”

Maybe they froze.

Posted by: Ornot | Jan 17 2026 19:25 utc | 38

Everything the West is doing is escalating. From creating riots in Iran, hoping for a harsh regime response, and attacking Russia’s nuclear bombers, to hitting Putin’s domicile, which was also a command post.
 
The Axis is being patient for a reason. They are constantly being baited.
 
This is how desperate the West is. They can’t attack as America did during the 12-day war. They have to manufacture a casus belli, or their economies will collapse immediately if they go to war.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 19:27 utc | 39

RF now getting serious after repeated insults by NATO and the UK, including the attempted assassination of VVP and the attacks on numerous RF oil tankers.
Taking out 750KV stations was long overdue, and dont stop there.  Take down the entire system, no exceptions.
NATO and especially the UK are engaged in total war with RF, take off all the gloves.
Would not surprise me to see some UK merchant vessels (if they actually have any left) disappear too.

Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 17 2026 19:29 utc | 40

Bringing the problem to the perpetrators. Well done, Russia, whatever your reason for the delay, you have arrived at the correct set of actions.
 
As each provocation by the West, by the US, by EU, by UK, or by Israel is offered up, build on this success and take the pain to the perpetrators. 
 
Meantime, here in the US, the citizens contemplate the astronomical costs of Zionism, NeoColonialism, the Military Industrial Complex, and the Security State. 
 
And we wonder aloud: “what could we have done with all that money?” 
 
We look across the Pacific at China, and think “what if we had invested in our kids, our infrastructure, and built our world standing on the basis of our technical competency and the bonds of trust between societies?” 

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jan 17 2026 19:31 utc | 41

The lack of electricity is going to destroy the OnlyFans economy in Ukraine.
 
 

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 19:32 utc | 42

Let us see what the next black flag provocation is from NATO and the crazed UK!  Most likely an attack on more RF oil tankers (RF needs to escort convoys of tankers ala WWII in the North Atlantic), or an attack on Transnistria or Serb Bosnia.
Its on the way, time to prepare….

Posted by: tobias cole | Jan 17 2026 19:34 utc | 43

Thank you as always for reporting b. God bless you for your work.
At this point, the true impact of the non-war war is being felt by the citizenry. The impact is felt by their recent largest export and leading industry. I speak not of mining and assembly and manufacturing, but of cam models and pornography. Without power to cell towers and fiber infrastructure backhauls, a major source of income is collapsing. I’ve had eyes on MRTG graphs of ospf and bgp peer traffic traversing the uplinks from the oblasts and it’s dwindled to levels not seen for decades. It’s sad but a shocking portion of their population became used to making money by filming themselves and their friends. Tips come in from around the world, asia, the eu, america, and after the hosting platform gets their share a very nice payout from valuable currencies converts to working professional level salary for them. Partying and filming it may outpay a skilled attorney. The inability or unwillingness to find jobs elsewhere having been spoiled with richness will undoubtedly have a huge impact on other industries where that cash was being spent and an even larger impact on morale and whatever remaining support the faggot president has. Follow the front lines as simplicius does meticulously but the end can’t come from a cauldron alone. Kiev accounts for about 30% of all traffic, lviv 12%, dnipropetrovsk 12%, odesa 5%, and the rest entirely in single digits making up the remaining 61%. Without power not only will the elderly freeze but now destitute youth will become hostile, now without streams of nonsensical western agitprop deluding them into impossible victory they may think for themselves and reach their own conclusions. nafo cheerleading on the social medias will of course continue from the toilet-less slums in dehli and columbus ohio but reaching only western ears now, we’ll have to wait to see how long that funding persists. There was testing this week on cutovers to emergency paths in america which were reported successful so should any fireworks erupt this weekend americans can rest assured their ip traffic will be monitored and msm sources remain reachable should core routers be attacked or transatlantic links be severed.

Posted by: NJH | Jan 17 2026 19:34 utc | 44

It’s about time stop the Russ stop the attrition $#!t this is war not patty-cake.
 
Worth noting however, the Ottomans [aka Erdogan’s Turkey] are shipping in generators as fast as they can so…an apartment block could disconnect itself from the grid and power up the building to a limited degree if…the residents could show self-discipline.  No worries of food spoilage, therefore, limited light and one 750 watt heater in the smallest room that a mattress[s] can fit and everybody jams into that one room.  A mattress on a box-spring really reduces heat loss.
 
This just temporary survival as water would have to be drained from the pipes.  And in all likelihood, the water pumps that provided pressure would be run off the downed grid anyway.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 17 2026 19:38 utc | 45

Posted by: Stark | Jan 17 2026 19:13 utc | 33
Stark, I have wondered the same. Although I have never lived in a war zone, I think having a place to live, even if there was no heat or electricity, would not provoke me to give up my space. I would try to find a way to heat it, build a wood stove out of scrap metal (not hard to do) and go out scrounging for wood. As unpleasant as it is, going without hot water to bathe can be managed. The real challenge would be food and water. Becoming a refugee is the last resort, because unless you have a rural place where would you go? As long as bombs and missiles are not dropping on you, I’d be inclined to stay put. Just my thoughts.

Posted by: madmarc | Jan 17 2026 19:39 utc | 46

The following video needs to be put on heavy rotation and watched by anyone getting the urge to express pity for Kiev, and especially the Kiev residents themselves: Poroshenko (utoob)
 
 
Ukro-Nazis should look on this as a character building experience.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 17 2026 19:39 utc | 47

It seems the popular will of Western Ukraine is to endure for the furtherance of the cause. Fate has been accepted. This entire war has taught me something about the continent and european people as a whole. Sordid and meager as they are.

Posted by: Hahahizzjizz | Jan 17 2026 19:45 utc | 48

Yes, our host is correct that US (by extension NATO) doctrine is to attack the civilian population. The most important lesson learned by armies in WWI is to make sure it’s the civilians who die, instead of the soldiers. The lesson was already advanced by WWII but military science since has progressed to the point the armies can be composed of what functionally are mercenaries. Mercenaries don’t like to fight each other, they do like to kill civilians. The issue re the Ukrainian theater of the war against Russia, is that the mercenaries are not directly affected by the privations of dark Kyiv. Zelensky and his party won a decisive majority on a peace platform years ago, but he abandoned that, incorporated fascists into the army and security services, his regime does not rely on democratic validation of any sort. It is a fascist regime, even if the organized open fascists are not in charge. That was true in Franco’s Spain. Only fools and fascist apologists say that outfit wasn’t fascist.
 
So it is entirely unclear what difference any number of demonstrations, or for that matter, frozen civilian corpses, will make any difference to anyone. That may even have been one reason for Russia’s longstanding reluctance to engage in such tactics, it’s not overall a very good strategy for victory in the war. If anything, it suggests a certain desperation is emerging in the Russian political-military high command. A total collapse of Ukrainian society would mean no one to surrender, a power vacuum with too many enemies close at hand to move in whether openly or surreptitiously. Plus, any settlement in the war against Russia as a whole may involve bitter sacrifices by the Russians, including ransom extorted to rebuild Ukraine. Certainly rebuilding will require infrastructure repair in the Dniepr drainage basins for the benefit of liberated lands as well. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 17 2026 19:45 utc | 49

It’s no good expecting ideologically committed libtards ever to acknowledge their hypocrisy. Forget the slop shovelled to the press, or the diplomatic public statements. Liberalism is always good, even when it’s not, just like ‘change management’ is always a good thing, etc etc. The moral universe of the West is cannot bring itself to contemplate the merest possibility that any action in its name might be corrupt. This produces bizarre contradictions. The Guardian reports ICE and Homeland Security shooting protesters in LA or Minneapolis and aligns them with protesters in Iran because, well, isn’t any ‘protest against government’ a good thing? Boomer nostalgia for an infantile definition of politics as petulant sulking, under which lurks the same old hippy-libertarian cry of protest against any larger social claim on the individual.
 
The most effective liberal propaganda of the last 50 years in this respect was Star Wars. What was the Rebellion rebelling against? All that mattered was that the cool kids are always rebels, always rebelling. So what happens when they win? Um… we institute permanent rebellion. That’s the world we live in now: you’re either in the resistance fighting tyranny or you’re a robot of the Deep State. I wonder how much of this was a by-product of the schizoid legacy of the Civil War where the ‘Rebs’ were the conservative ancien regime.
 
Ukraine has been consistently portrayed in the western media as the Rebellion in some latter-day Manichean fairy-tale that is rinsed and repeated ad nauseam. Serbia was baddy-authoritarian, so is VZ, Iran, Gaddafi, Assad, Putin, Xi, all so many Darth Vaders and Emperors rubbing their hands like Bond villains. The contradictions are therefore a breath of fresh air, especially when we watch Trump (MAGA Rebel) face off against libtard rebels (Guardian heroes). The test tube of all this is, of course, in Palestine. So, how does Israel manage to appear as the rebellion when it’s clearly the Death Star?
 
I always took a pragmatic line and imagined a Life of Brian debate in the Cantina: what has the Empire ever done for us? In spite of the obvious answer (i.e., everything) we must still believe that rebellion is always a good thing. Now, let’s go back to the Empire par excellence: Rome. Who was it always rebelling against them in spite of all those benefits, for whom rebellion became an ontology? Python were a hair’s breadth from saying the elephant’s name out loud…

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 17 2026 19:45 utc | 50

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 19:32 utc | 43
 
Oh my! Maybe all of those German and US sugar daddies can rush over there and help out! 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 17 2026 19:46 utc | 51

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 17 2026 19:45 utc | 50
 
hahaha. Brilliant coping in the face of catastrophic defeat. No one left who could surrender. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 17 2026 19:48 utc | 52

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/79011?referrer=grok.comAs usual, Putin is very eloquent.
In contrast, Trunp and his associates are likely to respond much like the denizens of Idiocracy:
”You talk like a fag and you’re shit’s fucked up”.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | Jan 17 2026 19:48 utc | 53

…if these were the conditions in Kiev three years ago, how much shorter this war would have been…how many fewer lives would be lost
 – Maverick  19

There is no “genteel” way to fight a war against a country run by Galicia’s Waffen SS who take orders from DC’s-3LAs/MI-6/Mossad.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 17 2026 19:50 utc | 54

Peter AU1 @ 25

Europe getting its largest gas storage facility taken out, the realestate shyster going after Greenland ……

Is this about the Oreshnik’s allegedly hitting a gas storage facility? Have you not seen video of the strike? If so, do you not know gas is very flammable? Blowing up such a large gas storage facility would have created a monster secondary explosion which would have burned for an extended time ….
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xor @ 34

We don’t see the Japanese being rabidly anti-US.

Yes, but US obtained an unconditional surrender (will Russia?), and then turned Japan into the world’s leading industrial power, enriching Japanese. Will Russia do the same for its “brothers” in Ukraine?  Compare how Poles and Romanians feel about the USSR, which obtained unconditional surrender but surely didn’t improve anyone’s lives, quite the opposite in fact ….
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tobias cole @ 34

Taking out 750KV stations was long overdue, and dont stop there. Take down the entire system, no exceptions.

You do realize the people affected by no heat/water in Arctic temperatures are not the ones who are making the insults, and that the ones who are making the insults are laughing all the way to the bank … right?

Posted by: CalDre | Jan 17 2026 19:53 utc | 55

OK, now do Lvov…….

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 17 2026 19:55 utc | 56

CalDre 56,
 
Why would CH4 explode underground in the absence of oxygen? I would think it would rush to the surface and as it did, the pressure would reduce, the CH4 thus expand thus cooling the respective passageway.  Then, once on the surface it would in all likelihood “flare-off” in a fairly controlled burn. Have you never noticed CH4 being flared-off before..it’s a pretty common thing?

Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 17 2026 20:05 utc | 57

All I can say is that, right now, Ukrainian civilians freezing to death is not a win for Russia.
Posted by: TG | Jan 17 2026 18:48 utc | 13
 
Without electricity, drones cannot be manufactured.

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 20:06 utc | 58

IIRC, during the Yugoslavian conflict the US declared that a television station was dual use and bombed it. So no real bottom to that hole.
I think after Venezuela and Trump’s declaration of lawlessness (my own conscience) Russia is putting no chips on negotiate, has retracted their good faith negotiating concessions and are not proceeding to conclude the war with all due haste. Using winter to destroy your enemy is both effective and brutal.
I pray there is still time to avoid the catastrophe of massive losses during military collapse.
I hope this finds you well

Posted by: ockham | Jan 17 2026 20:06 utc | 59

Posted by: CalDre | Jan 17 2026 19:53 utc | 56
 
I’m sure the Japanese are very grateful too (once the radiation sickness passed). As for Russia’s post-conflict approach to Ukraine, well there’s the Mariupol miracle. There’s no question that Putin will do for Russia’s new oblasts what Putin did for Russia as a whole since 1999: create the social possibilities for people to live their lives in some kind of secure and stable peace.
 
The Ukrainian people need to learn who the enemy is. When they discover that the corrupt uber-elite inner circle can find the wattage for their dance parties maybe it will spur them to repurpose the lampposts once used to gaffer-tape ethnic Russians. Zelensky and his wife doing their best final Mussolini impression would warm a few hearts at least.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 17 2026 20:11 utc | 60

Eighthman | Jan 17 2026 19:55 utc | 57
*** OK, now do Lvov……. ***
 
 
What a shocking suggestion! Cannot do that ….. gosh, it would be almost as bad as damaging Tel Aviv where rich and various important types of persons reside, and might become upset.
 

Posted by: Cynic | Jan 17 2026 20:13 utc | 61

Stark @ 29, 33:
 
I daresay that by now, the only people still living in Kiev and other major cities in Ukraine will be the brainwashed neo-Nazi fanatics, elderly pensioners and people with disabilities who have no means of escape, and (overlapping with the pensioners and the disabled) the very poor and destitute.
 
Men of draft age (ages 18 to 65) will have largely disappeared, either because they have gone to the frontlines or because they have managed to leave Ukraine altogether. Women with medical, pharmacy and nursing qualifications are also likely to have been drafted. These are the people you need when essential utilities infrastructure networks fail or are destroyed.
 
Over the past four years, anyone who had the means to do so, especially anyone with children, fled the country (and took the kids as well). How many thousands of people, if not tens or even hundreds of thousands, did so isn’t clear because Western mainstream news media won’t touch this issue.
 
If all essential services have failed, protesting becomes a luxury. Finding food and water and surviving is the only thing people can do. If electricity and communications have been cut, then protesting is out of the question – you need an audience to see your protest. How is that possible if the Internet is down and cellphones can’t work because they can’t be charged?

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jan 17 2026 20:15 utc | 62

i don’t know about others, but carrying on with much of anything at these temperatures is not a walk in the park… i wouldn’t wish it on others either.. 

Posted by: james | Jan 17 2026 20:21 utc | 63

The underground storage facilities in the east are Europe’s largest.
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 17 2026 19:07 utc | 25
 
The problem with relying on Telegram randos is that the news may as well be entirely fictitious. That strike did not target the gas reserve, according to the Russian MOD.
 
⚡️According to information confirmed by several independent sources, a strike launched by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the night of 9 January using the Oreshnik mobile ground-based missile system disabled the Lvov State Aviation Repair Plant.
 
▫️ At the plant, aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including F-16 and MiG-29 aircraft supplied by the Western countries, were repaired and maintained. The plant also produced long-range and medium-range attack UAVs used to hit Russian civilian facilities in the depth of Russian territory. 
 
▫️ The Oreshnik system engaged production workshops, warehouses with products (UAVs), as well as the infrastructure of the factory airfield.
 
▫️ In addition, as part of this massive attack with the use of the Iskander missile system and the Kalibr sea-based cruise missiles, the production facilities of two enterprises in Kiev involved in assembling strike UAVs for attacks against the territory of Russia, as well as energy infrastructure facilities that support the work of the Ukrainian defence industry, were hit.
 
🔹 Russian Defence Ministry

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jan 17 2026 20:22 utc | 64

Is this about the Oreshnik’s allegedly hitting a gas storage facility? Have you not seen video of the strike? If so, do you not know gas is very flammable? Blowing up such a large gas storage facility would have created a monster secondary explosion which would have burned for an extended time ….Posted by: CalDre | Jan 17 2026 19:53 utc | 56
 
This doesn’t cause a secondary explosion, but rather a continuous fire, which could be seen in the video: the horizon was glowing.

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 20:23 utc | 65

But the Nazi’s have essentially no power in Jew run Ukraine
Posted by: Kiev | Jan 17 2026 19:05 utc | 21
Surely you must be aware that Jews can be Nazis. Great majority of Israeli Jews, for example.

Posted by: Oscar Romero | Jan 17 2026 20:33 utc | 66

Russia is literally reminding everyone about the phrase, “Revenge is the dish best served cold!”
 

Posted by: nudge | Jan 17 2026 20:33 utc | 67

The problem with relying on Telegram randos is that the news may as well be entirely fictitious.
 
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jan 17 2026 20:22 utc | 65
 
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As is relying on any press organization. Developing heuristics for information sourcing in this era is crucial. 
 
Trust no one. Question everything. Congruence test. Judge actions, not words.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 20:37 utc | 68

OK, now do Lvov…….
Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 17 2026 19:55 utc | 57
 
It’s extremely hard for artillerists to turn lights off even at the border, forget Lvov. They barely hit some lights in Kiyyiiv after 4 years, very limited and temporary. It may be cold but the advantage is that no food is lost. They should have done it in the summer too, so the little nazis feel the pain in their pockets and the smell of shit in the air.
Ukr did Melitopol too. Doesn’t say how many people in that area in the news, of course they don’t say. Who would like to compare totals and see which one has more people in cold winter? 

Posted by: rk | Jan 17 2026 20:38 utc | 69

BLame the Uki Nazis, who started it all in 2014.

Posted by: lester | Jan 17 2026 20:40 utc | 70

Dont Feed the Trolls!
 
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Key strategies used by trolls
Emotional provocation (rage baiting): Trolls deliberately post inflammatory or offensive content to trigger anger and outrage. They seek confrontation in order to ‘draw people out of their shell’.
Distraction (derailing): They divert attention from the actual discussion by introducing irrelevant topics or naive counter-questions.
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Use of AI and bots: Modern trolls increasingly use AI-generated profiles and deepfakes to spread deceptively genuine but inauthentic contributions to debates. 
 

Posted by: BlindSpot | Jan 17 2026 20:41 utc | 71

Posted by: lester | Jan 17 2026 20:40 utc | 71
 
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Isn’t Nuland an American? As much as any Zionist has a state they are loyal to other than Israel…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 20:42 utc | 72

Posted by b on January 17, 2026 at 18:16 UTC | Permalink
“It is time for someone to teach that to Kiev”.

 
I disagree. It is time for someone to teach that to Vilnius, Riga, Tallinn, Berlin, London, Brussels, Den Haag and Paris. Unfortunately that just is not a sensible move yet, although the time may come. But the worms are now turning – Meloni, Macron, and Merz are now making conciliatory noises, so unfortunately for most of us, that time may never come now, no matter how much it is needed.
 

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jan 17 2026 20:42 utc | 73

S. Brennan 58

Why would CH4 explode underground in the absence of oxygen?

It wouldn’t, but for the missile to reach the tank it would create a tunnel. Moreover, the gas in storage tanks is at very high pressure (e.g. 150 psi) to keep it liquid. See this video of a gas plant explosion in Mexico to see how gas from a gas storage escaped through a small leak, rather than a massive hole caused by a powerful missile moving at hypersonic speeds. Once the missile punctured the tank, massive amounts of gas would escape at very high pressure and reach the surface, where it would ignite and cause an initial large explosion followed by a long large fire as the gas under high pressure continued to escape from the ground. Since this tank was allegedly the “largest in Europe”, it would have burned for a long time as the gas boiled off.

once on the surface it would in all likelihood “flare-off” in a fairly controlled burn.

I suppose it’s possible the gas would start to burn immediately when hitting the surface – my explosion imagines that the gas would escape for a while (note propane is significantly heavier than air, so would stay low to the ground) and create a very large cloud before the initial spark would light it and cause a large explosion. But if it were ignited immediately then I agree one might not get a large explosion and it would “flare off”, except the hole would be massively larger than a normal flare so the fire would be massive. But I don’t see any significant fire in the videos at all. P.S. Here is a test done on a 500-gallon propane tank which was heated by fire to the point of metal fatigue. By the time of the fatigue most of the gas had already vented out of the pressure relief valve. Nonetheless the explosion is large. In comparison, the Bilche-Volitsko-Uhersky underground gas storage facility near L’viv has a 17 billion cubic meter capacity, equivalent to 63 million cubic meters of liquefied gas, or 16.6 billion gallons of liquefied propane. A lot more than 200 gallons :).

Posted by: CalDre | Jan 17 2026 20:48 utc | 74

*** Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jan 17 2026 20:22 utc | 65
 
Colonel Cassad has a recent update on the Stryj/Lvov gas facility after Oreshnik. 13 gas pumps are destroyed/damaged, several buildings (purpose unknown) in the complex are destroyed/damaged. https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/10309410.html

Posted by: frithguild | Jan 17 2026 20:48 utc | 75

Cold peace brothers. When other nations do nation building they destroy the electric, water and waste treatment in the first strike.
Russia has been kind, and the kindness has got them nothing in return.

Posted by: steve | Jan 17 2026 20:51 utc | 76

Colonel Cassad has a recent update on the Stryj/Lvov gas facility after Oreshnik. 13 gas pumps are destroyed/damaged, several buildings (purpose unknown) in the complex are destroyed/damaged. https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/10309410.html
Posted by: frithguild | Jan 17 2026 20:48 utc | 76
 
This is what you can see above (! but the gas storage facility is 900 km below!

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 20:53 utc | 77

The oreshnik target was not the gas storage facility but an aircraft maintenance and storage center where there was also a sizeable drone factory located. The gas facility strike claim was a diversion put out by Kiev government. Many F16s and legacy Soviet fighters were apparently destroyed along with the drone manufacturing workshop. So say many  credible sources including Simplicius. This is why the gas supply of merely hundreds of area households were affected. Damage to the gas pressure in the area was incidental collateral damage 

Posted by: nwwoods | Jan 17 2026 20:54 utc | 78

It may be cold but the advantage is that no food is lost.
 
Posted by: rk | Jan 17 2026 20:38 utc | 70
 

 
Don’t be so glib.  Many people will die from fires they set to keep warm.
 

Posted by: too scents | Jan 17 2026 20:56 utc | 79

Colonel Cassad has a recent update on the Stryj/Lvov gas facility after Oreshnik. 13 gas pumps are destroyed/damaged, several buildings (purpose unknown) in the complex are destroyed/damaged.
 
Posted by: frithguild | Jan 17 2026 20:48 utc | 76
 
Yeah, Reddit is deluged with amateur analysts too. An Oreshnik strike would have flattened the place. Which is not to say there was no Russian strike at all on the plant, because wrecking the gas compressors is a real problem.
 
But the Oreshnik strike on the production facilities will be way worse. A collapse of the ability to maintain aircraft. And I assume Russia has more of those missiles stocked away.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jan 17 2026 20:58 utc | 80

smartfox @ 66

This doesn’t cause a secondary explosion, but rather a continuous fire, which could be seen in the video: the horizon was glowing.

The glow was from the missiles descending at hypersonic speeds. Once that was over (after a few seconds) there was no more glow at all.
As I noted in another comment, the capacity of that storage hub is 16.6 billion gallons of liquefied propane, you are not going to hide a fire like that, it would have burned for weeks if not months (there is actually a gas fire in Russia which has burned for half a century, since 1971).
Plus, perhaps you haven’t heard, Russia itself has stated that the Oreshnik targeted a fighter jet repair facility, not a gas storage hub.

Posted by: CalDre | Jan 17 2026 20:59 utc | 81

Interestingly, gas reserves in Germany have also reached historic lows. Since extreme cold weather is expected in the coming weeks, it is highly likely that there will also be a gas shortage there. Although this will not have as serious consequences as in Ukraine, it is likely that industrial plants will be shut down, which, according to German law, are to be treated as subordinate to private households. Will Rheinmetall still be producing then?

Posted by: xblob | Jan 17 2026 20:59 utc | 82

Posted by: steve | Jan 17 2026 20:51 utc | 77
 
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Difference of opinion.
 
The Russians have gained time and extended their true opponent further.
 
That isn’t seen by many with Western Hollywood perspectives, ‘Crash! Bang! Boom!”
 
In the East, the tendency is to slow-roast until the meat is perfectly done, like braising.
 
One should not rush a good meal. The forms must be obeyed.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 21:02 utc | 83

Doing this in freezing cold is a bit different from the Nato bombing of Yugoslavia in the late spring of 1999. But b’s point stands. As Jamie Shea said (If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO’s five conditions and we will stop this campaign), it is up to Kiev to call it quits. Russia would likewise stop as soon as its demands are met. That was, by the way, the logic also on the Serbian side in the end. As soon as Serbs realized they were not going to win that war, the Yugoslav (as it was then still called) leadership were pressured by their own people to put their people first and throw in the towel. Of course, no good deed goes unpunished and it ended very badly for the leadership. That may be a factor here as well, if we follow the same NATO logic consistently to the end. 

Posted by: Princess Bodica | Jan 17 2026 21:05 utc | 84

I assume Russia has more of those missiles stocked away.
 
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jan 17 2026 20:58 utc | 81
 
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I have heard an estimate of twenty per month. They went into production months ago.
 
If true, it would not be unreasonable to think they have 60 or 80 stockpiled.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 21:05 utc | 85

I do wish people would STOP using the term NAZI about Ukraine. it is confusing  and makes people look ignorant.
 
Yes , yes I KNOW that the Galicians were in fact NAZI and that many use old time NAZI/Aryan insignia, but this is a public forum, hopefully able to influence some receptive people but every time that is used carelessly people turn off. 
 
For western influenced (programed) minds, the term NAZI is equated with massacre of Jewish people. Yes it is not true  exactly but it is what it is and to use the term in Ukraine, where most of the ruling elite are in fact Jewish it comes across as ignorant and childish. Use Fascist if you must, because it describes an ideology, without the baggage of the term NAZI. The NAZI party was a fascist party, but was not the only one. Netanyahoo is a fascist, pure and simple but he is not a NAZI. Trump is a fascist but not a NAZI. 
 
Yes I am VERY well aware of the overlap in 1935 between hatred of Communists (ant USSR) and hatred of Jewish people, simply because many (most) of the leading revolutionaries were indeed Jewish. However the two concepts are NOT the same, any more than being WOKE and being economically socialist ie left are the same. Two or more ideas may travel together in the same vehicle, but they are not the same, and eventually a split will occur. 
 
So use terms like Ukrainian super Nationalists or even Galician/ Latvian/Lithuanian  independence movements, but avoid the 1930s Germany specific term NAZI. Yes use NAZI for the Ukrainian diaspora post WWII, since many were indeed NAZI collaborators, but its relevance to Ukraine today is limited.

Posted by: watcher | Jan 17 2026 21:05 utc | 86

It would be a delightful kind of karma if Europe suddenly found itself saddled with several million MORE Ukrainian refugees. Gives a whole new meaning to the idea of fighting to the last Ukrainian…

Posted by: Bruce O’Hara | Jan 17 2026 21:06 utc | 87

This is what you can see above (! but the gas storage facility is 900 km below!
Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 20:53 utc | 78
 
*** Underground gas storage facilities in Ukraine were not created as artificial caverns excavated for storage, but rather by converting depleted natural gas and gas-condensate fields that had been developed during the Soviet period, primarily between the 1950s and 1980s. ***
*** The stored gas resides in deep geological reservoirs, typically at depths ranging from about 400 m to more than 1,200 m, with some facilities reaching close to 2 km below the surface, particularly in western Ukraine. ***
***Access to the reservoir is provided through a dense network of steel-cased, cemented wells that serve both injection and withdrawal functions.***
***On the other hand, Underground gas storage facilities are not designed to explode, and under normal operating conditions, an actual underground explosion is extremely unlikely. However, understanding why they usually do not explode and under what rare circumstances dangerous events can occur requires examining how these facilities are built, how gas behaves underground, and what actually causes explosions. Oreshnik’s attack is intended not to explode the storage itself, but rather to neutralize any extraction, rendering the storage useless for a considerable time. ***
https://open.substack.com/pub/bmanalysis/p/oreshnik-vs-lviv-targets-i?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2zfp1k
 

Posted by: frithguild | Jan 17 2026 21:07 utc | 88

This is what you can see above (! but the gas storage facility is 900 km below!
Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 20:53 utc | 78
 
900 KMS???? I find that number unbelievable.

Posted by: arby | Jan 17 2026 21:08 utc | 89

If true, it would not be unreasonable to think they have 60 or 80 stockpiled.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 21:05 utc | 86
 
Just do the math: When did series production begin? What was delivered first? When after that did Belarus get its 10? So how many could be freely available now?

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 21:13 utc | 90

Posted by: watcher | Jan 17 2026 21:05 utc | 87
Read about Finish KZ für Russians and Stepan Bandera’s doing in Ukraine, there is same.

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 21:18 utc | 91

Two terms that have fallen out of use since 1999: “international community” and “collateral damage”. 

Posted by: Princess Bodica | Jan 17 2026 21:18 utc | 92

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 21:13 utc | 91
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What difference does it make if they have 59 or 60?
 
Again, 20 per month was an estimate. The only people who know for sure when production started or what the rate is are inside the Russian MOD and the Kremlin.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 21:20 utc | 93

900 KMS???? I find that number unbelievable.
Posted by: arby | Jan 17 2026 21:08 utc | 90
 
Typing mistake: read 900 meter

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 21:22 utc | 94

There will be not protests in Kiev, nor even evacuations because it is just TOO cold. the temperature since 1 January has rarely if ever gone above freezing and over the last week it has not gone above -8 deg Celsius (21 def F).
 
Too cold to risk driving to a warmer place since running out of fuel on the roadway is certain death.  So people are inside. families are huddled together in one bed and children are in bed. They may get up to go to the toilet or get food or water but that is all. 
 
If the Kiev government has any competence whatever, they have relocated the vulnerable to warm rooms where they can access food and water in small areas heated by generators. There are 150,000 or so whose homes have become unlivable because of frozen water pipes. This problem may be manageable while it is still super cold but once daytime temperatures get above freezing and water starts to leak it is a major concern.

Posted by: watcher | Jan 17 2026 21:23 utc | 95

Again, 20 per month was an estimate.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 21:20 utc | 94
 
I estimate 2 per week. You also have to factor in the transport and launch units and the training of the necessary soldiers.

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 21:26 utc | 96

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 21:26 utc | 97
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And you have to factor in that Russia has access to China’s manufacturing automation, even for sensitive projects.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 17 2026 21:28 utc | 97

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Jan 17 2026 19:48 utc | 53 If there’s no body to sign a surrender and give the surrender orders, then there’s nobody to sign agreements on, as I’ve already mentioned for one very important example, the management of the Dniepr watershed.  Even if you can’t understand how that’s important, I assure you they do. So yes, that was likely one consideration in the slow turn toward a massive attack on civilian superstructure. But then, I also believe that the most vital repairs will likely take far less time than the more hopeful (for Russian)/pessimistic (for Ukrainians) projections. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 17 2026 21:28 utc | 98

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 21:18 utc | 92
 
Yes I know about the Bandera mob and the Finnish and Scandinavian NAZIs. That is not my point. The trouble is that while the Galicians and others have retained the nationalism of the NAZIs they have not maintained their anti Jewish positions.  They have against Romani and Indians however
(As a sideline however has anyone considered that one reason the USA is very reluctant to put boots on the ground in Ukraine, is the vehement racism of the Galicians which could quickly turn to a massacre of black US troops).

Posted by: watcher | Jan 17 2026 21:31 utc | 99

(As a sideline however has anyone considered that one reason the USA is very reluctant to put boots on the ground in Ukraine, is the vehement racism of the Galicians which could quickly turn to a massacre of black US troops).
Posted by: watcher | Jan 17 2026 21:31 utc | 100
 
I hadn’t thought about that aspect yet, but I don’t think it’s decisive, since Trump doesn’t care which US soldiers come back in coffins. Or do you think Russia would stop at US soldiers?

Posted by: smartfox | Jan 17 2026 21:35 utc | 100