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December 9, 2025
Zelenski Defies Trump, Rejects Peace Deal

Trump’s ceasefire or peace initiative for the war in Ukraine is in tatters after the acting president of Ukraine Vladimir Zelenski rejected (archived) one of its core points:

Ukraine will not surrender territory, President Volodymyr Zelensky declared Monday, rejecting a central Russian demand that President Donald Trump had incorporated into his latest proposal to end the Kremlin’s war.

“Under our laws, under international law — and under moral law — we have no right to give anything away,” Zelensky said, after meeting with top European leaders to discuss Trump’s plan Monday. “That is what we are fighting for.”

Zelenski would not reject Trump’s plan without the support from European leaders. Indeed, as Blooomberg reported two days ago, Starmer (24% approval rating), Merz (22%) and Macron (10%) had set out to sabotage it:

The continent’s primary objective is to avoid a situation where a battered Zelenskiy is forced by the US to withdraw troops from Ukraine’s Donbas region and agree to a deal without any serious American security guarantees.

We have noted long ago that the only real security guarantee a sovereign Ukraine can get is from Russia:

But any such guarantee will of course come with conditions attached to it. Either Ukraine will accept those or it will never be secure from outer interference.

That is simply a fact of life Ukraine has had to, and will have to live with.

Trump’s recent National Security Strategy set out the end of the conflict in Ukraine as one of its aims. The U.S. is thus likely to press further on Kyiv.

There are several ways to do that. The U.S. could threaten to end all intelligence support for the Ukrainian military. It is still delivering constant detailed analyses from satellite pictures and other sources that only the U.S. can provide. This allows Ukraine to know where Russian forces are moving. Blocking such data would be immediately felt on the battlefield.

Another possibility is for the U.S. to tell the NABU anti-corruption investigators, which it controls, to open a case against Zelenski. After recently removing Zelenski’s advisor Andrei Yermak simply by searching his office NABU has been remarkably silent. Yermak has not even been served with an official suspicion. He might be offered a deal to become a witness against Zelenski.

Another alternative is for Trump to simply walk away from the issue for another six months or so. By then the already catastrophic electricity situation in Ukrainian cities (2×4 hours per day max) as well as on the battlefield will have worsened sufficiently to make a land-for-peace deal even more attractive than it is today.

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I think it’s high time the Russians take the whole of Ukraine and finally end the war.

Posted by: sirdavide | Dec 9 2025 14:21 utc | 1

New York Times: Selensky turned a blind eye to corruptionhttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/05/world/europe/ukraine-corruption-zelensky.htmlLet’s see if he will be next. He made so much money that he can live a comfortable life in hix villas. If he needs money, he can always produce dance videos on TikTok while wearing high heels.

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Dec 9 2025 14:22 utc | 2

Fuck the EU … history proves those were true words … Prussian VDL time 😊
 
VP Biden’s intervention and Victoria Nuland’s regime change order has not been forgotten. Tough times ahead as this adds to the uncertainty and risks to steal Russian assets in the European Union .. VDL are you woke? Rutte you may be called upon as a witness before the World Court in The Hague.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 9 2025 14:28 utc | 3

The Blob wants Russia to fork over lots of cash to buy the agreement. As long as Z is around, they can use him to play brave patriot. So the ukies will be patriotic in the cold darkness, apparently. 
 
I can see Russia paying cash for what they want. It’s good strategy. But they’d want to give it to honest ukies who use it properly. And the Blob would have to match. Not there yet. 

Posted by: seer | Dec 9 2025 14:31 utc | 4

Today’s headline in Brussels after meeting Rutte and EU leaders …
 
After meeting EU allies, Zelensky says Ukraine won’t yield territory to Russia
 
“We don’t want to cede anything,” the Ukrainian president said, with territory still one of the main sticking points in peace talks.
 
Zelensky says Kyiv has no right to cede land to Russia
 
’And we don’t have any moral right either,’ Ukrainian President Volodymyr said in an online press conference on Monday. The issue of security guarantees for Kyiv has been a main sticking point of talks aimed at ending the four-year war in Ukraine.
 
Ukraine prepares new peace plan as Zelensky rules out giving up land | BBC News |
 
… and the fight goes on ☹

Posted by: Oui | Dec 9 2025 14:32 utc | 5

to the last european?

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 9 2025 14:35 utc | 6

I notice S yesterday tossed out the economics of the SMO, how it benefits Russia to the tune of 311 billion euros since 2022, that’s a lot of fat Russian oligarchs filling their pockets trading with their partners enemy.
 
Also enjoying the pictures of the Russian hedgehogs and porcupines……spiney beasts with carbon fiber like fishing rods pointing in all directions. As the drone moves to the forefront of modern warfare, the Armour divisions looks more prehistoric……whatever gets the job done. 
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 9 2025 14:36 utc | 7

Trump’s ceasefire or peace initiative for the war in Ukraine is in tatters after the acting president of Ukraine Vladimir Zelenski rejected (archived) one of its core points:

 
Good. It is better to let these processes run their course to their natural conclusion. Fatman did good but there are other matters that require his attention. So I hope he will 
 

simply walk away from the issue for another six months or so.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 9 2025 14:42 utc | 8

Newbie@…..to the last Europen, Brits are lucky Putin just wants to remove the Eurocucks, his lack of accusations against England tells me he has been told what to say and to leave the English cousins out of it…….otherwise he’d use specific words to let them know they are in the crosshairs also.
 
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 9 2025 14:42 utc | 9

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 9 2025 14:36 utc | 7
Dandelion, not porcupine, you want to interdict to smaller objects, not bigger ones, you have to maximize occupied border area with minimal mass.
An hardened outer shell aerogel might also be a solution one day
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 9 2025 14:42 utc | 10

I guess Russia is going to have to get an Unconditional surrender.  No matter.   Russia has a handle on NATO with the Ukraine war dragging out.   Ending/resolving whatever the Ukraine fighting will only have NATO pop up elsewhere.   I suspect Putin is content to keep the engagement going.  Dragging a defeated opponent is sometimes a useful strategy in Judo/wrestling especially when engaged with multiple opponents 

Posted by: Scottindallas | Dec 9 2025 14:45 utc | 11

to be clear, I think Putin has zero interest in Western Ukraine.   They’ll take Odessa if they #au stalls long enough.  Much more than that, I imagine you see Russia decide what they want their border to be, and they begin building the walls/barriers/border crossings where they want.   Maybe then the EU will launch a flurry of rockets and sue for peace. Much as the USA announced it’s war to liberate Spain’s colonies in Cuba and the Philippines AFTER Spain announced they were leaving.  Hollywood loves the sequel

Posted by: Scottindallas | Dec 9 2025 14:54 utc | 12

the EU

Posted by: Scottindallas | Dec 9 2025 14:54 utc | 13

“Another alternative is for Trump to simply walk away from the issue for another six months or so.”
It will likely not take that long. Russia will be in fine position to cross the Dnepr, wreck all remaining Ukrainian industry/ power generation, or attack the Zelensky government directly.
 
If none of these things happen despite American disinterest, the question will be why.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Dec 9 2025 14:54 utc | 14

Mister, no, Russia doesn’t want to utterly destroy Ukraine, that doesn’t benefit Russia.  Your thinking is small.  A totally crippled neighbor is a blight.  Russia isn’t fighting an all out war, as Putin has made clear.   We’re so prone to teleological thinking, as if you can smash and vanquish your neighbors and not be affected later.   This is why the Chinese are kicking our ass, they’re planning for tomorrow and the day after that.   We’re stuck on today

Posted by: Scottindallas | Dec 9 2025 14:58 utc | 15

“Under our laws, under international law — and under moral law — we have no right to give anything away,” Zelensky said, after meeting with top European leaders to discuss Trump’s plan Monday. “That is what we are fighting for.”
 
Yalta II and the opportunity for it to come to a reality with the collapse of USAID and the opportunity for a trans steppe trade corridor were some of the things I have said in this bar. I have been ridiculously naive.  This war results from the line in the sand drawn by beneficiaries of clandestine regime change operations that have achieved their results through propaganda, information control and where necessary kinetic operations.  As noted by Oui: “VP Biden’s intervention and Victoria Nuland’s regime change order has not been forgotten.” Posted by: Oui | Dec 9 2025 14:28 utc | 3 . This is what the US Blob and the EU are fighting for, kind of like the divine right of the bureaucracy, not kings. Now all this appears to me to be rather WWI-insh. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 9 2025 15:02 utc | 16

No sane person can expect America to keep its part of any deal it might persuade Russia to sign. This conflict will go on top the end of Ukranazistan. Whether it takes Europe down as well is still an open question. 

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Dec 9 2025 15:06 utc | 17

Without the US there can be no proxy war against Russia via Ukraine. It is a US war, as Brian Berletic, simply and correctly states with corroboration.
The US can stop the war easily and quickly. It does not want to stop it but freeze it, in order  to  reignite it in a future opportune moment. Zelensky is a nuisance, yet  still a useful puppet, but no obstacle.
The conductor of the war orchestra can make it play to his tune, he just hasn’t come up with the right tune yet because Russia seeks a different repertoire. 
 
 
 

Posted by: JB | Dec 9 2025 15:08 utc | 18

You can’t cede territory and have martial law.
 
Without martial law Z must run an election for the whle government….
 
Why would Russia pay tribute they can do what they please.

Posted by: paddy | Dec 9 2025 15:13 utc | 19

@16
 
A new Yalta is Yalta III.
 
Everyone wants to hide Yalta I Feb 1943.  That one FDR got approval for the Morganthau plan to sunder the reich as a geopolitical player, forever!
 
Yalta II and Potsdam birthed the cold war!  Reneged on keeping a divided Germany agrarian!

Posted by: paddy | Dec 9 2025 15:19 utc | 20

“Another alternative is for Trump to simply walk away from the issue…” Trump maybe. the USG never. Ukraine is complicated. redecorating the white house and bombing peasants and child trafficking via ICE is easy. leave the hard stuff to Rubio and Vance. time for a massage. 
 
 

Posted by: duck n cover | Dec 9 2025 15:30 utc | 21

By the looks of things Trump now wants the Neo-Nazi dictator Zelensky out of office – and it won’t much for the US Terrorist State to fix for the little Dictator to be defeated in an election – for that’s what the Yanks do best they regime change. It might be getting close to the time where Zelensky flees Ukraine for warmer climes  – with his billions of stolen US dollars and Euros – he will of course after a while be hunted down and killed for he knows too much – ironically he could flee to Russia, and tell all to Putin – about Nato and the West’s nefarious plans for Russia, there he can rub shoulders with Snowden and Assad and exchange stories – of how the Yanks and their minion allies done them dirty. “US President Donald Trump has urged Ukraine to hold elections, questioning the country’s democratic credentials in an interview with Politico published on Tuesday.He appeared to issue a new challenge to Vladimir Zelensky, whose presidential term expired in May 2024, but has declined to organize a presidential election, citing martial law.Zelensky was elected in 2019 and declared in December 2023 that Ukraine would not hold presidential or parliamentary elections while martial law remains in force. It was imposed after the escalation of the conflict with Russia in February 2022 and has since been repeatedly extended by parliament.Trump told Politico that Kiev should no longer use the ongoing conflict as an excuse to delay a vote.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2025 15:31 utc | 22

You mentioned ISR and AWACS coverage. Europe cannot readily supply either.
In addition, if Trump wishes to bring europe to heel, he need only loudly, plainly and punches tell the europoodles that if they persist in provoking Russia, the United States will not protect them from whatever retaliation comes their way.
Watch european tails tuck between european legs. Forgive me for repeating myself.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 9 2025 15:33 utc | 23

Will the US do with Gehlenskyi what the Russians refuse to do (The guy is a nobody for them : he as no legal powers.)
I’m already sure the EU and the MSM are gonna blame the Russians for it anyway , so ? Why bother ? It’s “antisemitic” ? 
Diemed or not diemed ? That question should keep the guy awaken at night.
I note a “bright side” in that “end war” crisis with the EU stooges ; saying “no” to Bruxelles isn’t a taboo in the EU anymore (Orban should feel less alone now.)
The smartest quote was one of Varoufakis : ” If you wanted weaken Russia so badly, you should have integrate them in the Euro-zone.” That one knows what he’s talking about ^^ .
 

Posted by: Savonarole | Dec 9 2025 15:39 utc | 24

A new Yalta is Yalta III. ***Posted by: paddy | Dec 9 2025 15:19 utc | 20
 
I will stand as corrected on that. I have been interpreting the RF rhetoric about security architecture and self determination as described in the UN Charter, all focused upon the newest weapons of the information age which the US has employed to change regimes probably 100x, as highlighting the need to sharpen the UN Charter. The UN Charter is a child of Yalta. So I have been calling it Yalta II – but Yalta III it is. 
 
That the forces of incumbency are 100% committed to keeping this clandestine power and making it de facto acceptable shines through as I look at some of todays Headlines: 
 

  • Zelensky Definitively Shuts Door On Trump Peace Plan, Won’t Cede Territory, European leaders pushing forward maximalist counter-demands…  
  • Time For Ukraine To Have Elections As It’s ‘Not A Democracy Anymore’: Trump, Zelensky is “going to have to get on the ball & start accepting things.”
  • Musk Claims EU Commissars Are ‘Responsible For Murder Of Europe’, Elon Musk escalated his confrontation with Brussels… seeing “record-breaking downloads in many countries in Europe”

 
The battle lines are clear on what I think is a civilizational issue. Keep in mind that following WWI European monarchies fell by the wayside, only to be replaced by what I would argue were structures with greater state power that garner attention as if they are deities. 1.8 million Ukrainian dead is is only a recent addition to the toll.   

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 9 2025 15:44 utc | 25

I shoulda added that Zelenskii clearly expects european intervention. 

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 9 2025 15:45 utc | 26

Posted by: Savonarole | Dec 9 2025 15:39 utc | 24
the Russians wouldnt have been foolish enough to accept that offer 

Posted by: Night Tripper | Dec 9 2025 15:45 utc | 27

Trump is building hype for Mar-a-Yalta.
 
https://x.com/ripplebrain/status/1998410717230485730

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 9 2025 15:46 utc | 28

And there’s always this:

Ukrainian Nazi battalion commander openly threatens Zelensky

Ukraine should thank the United States, which requires Kiev to agree to the withdrawal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Donbass.
 
This was stated on the air of the Apostrophe TV channel by Pyotr Kuzik, a battalion commander of the Svoboda battalion, formed from the neo-Nazi party of the same name, banned in the Russian Federation, the PolitNavigator correspondent reports.
 
The host raised the topic of peace talks, to which her interlocutor noted that ” not we, but someone is trying to force us to negotiate ,” more than transparently hinting at the United States.
 
The presenter asked her opinion on the territorial issue, noting that Vladimir Zelensky admitted that Ukraine is under pressure on this issue.
 

“Let the president of Ukraine be afraid that his people will not start putting pressure on him,” Kuzik threatened . “And the pressure of all the other partners can be endured and passed back on in return .”

https://politnavigator.news/ukrainskijj-kombat-nacist-otkryto-ugrozhaet-zelenskomu.html (via translation add-on.)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 9 2025 15:48 utc | 29

By the looks of things Trump now wants the Neo-Nazi dictator Zelensky out of office – and it won’t much for the US Terrorist State to fix for the little Dictator to be defeated in an election – for that’s what the Yanks do best they regime change. It might be getting close to the time where Zelensky flees Ukraine for warmer climes ***
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2025 15:31 utc | 22
 
A solution that works in the days of the past only. This can’t be done quietly because internet. They cannot afford for the Eye of Horus to be blackened.  

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 9 2025 15:51 utc | 30

Oh, WOW!
 
Who could have seen this?
 
So, who is actually in charge? Trump? Zelensky? EU? Deep State?
 
Trump can’t be ultra-competent and capable while constantly being a subordinate.
 
More dissonance required…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 9 2025 15:56 utc | 31

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 9 2025 15:51 utc | 30
 
######
 
Democrat Presidents (I am needling MAGAs here) would have had Zelensky fall down a flight of stairs by now.
 
If Trump really had Zelensky in his way, he would remove him by any means necessary. Ask Soleimani.
 
That Zelensky is still above ground might suggest that this is more pantomime for  Boomers and Fox News.
 
Truly, if Trump is as billed, why is he waiting for permission from ANY non-American politician?
 
You’re either the leader of the free world or you are not.
 
What a sad “free world” when Zelensky is calling the shots.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 9 2025 16:02 utc | 32

thanks b…
 
sad kettle of fish…  it is interesting how the lowly 3 – starmer, merz and micron, seem intent on working for their paymasters and continuing… this highlights how dumbocracy really works with their ratings being reflected in their actions here… no one wants any of this..  i hope it ends soon…. 

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2025 16:06 utc | 33

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 9 2025 15:48 utc | 29
 
i had heard about that.. zelensky has got to be thinking of how he can save his ass in all of this… tough gig he’s got..

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2025 16:08 utc | 34

“Under our laws, under international law — and under moral law — we have no right to give anything away,” Zelensky said. . .
Well, alrighty then, Russia will just take it.  Myrnograd, Huliapole, Siversk next up.  
“Trump’s ceasefire or peace initiative for the war in Ukraine is in tatters after the acting president of Ukraine Vladimir Zelenski rejected (archived) one of its core points”
It was birthed in tatters, destined to go nowhere.  Much ado about nothing.

Posted by: Mike R | Dec 9 2025 16:10 utc | 35

Yeah it definitely looks like Trump will regime change in Ukraine – out with the little Ne-Nazi dictator Zelensky and in with a US Terrorist State compliant puppet – and they’ll be nothing the idiotic EU warmongering bigwigs can do about it – for they talk a big game, but I doubt they’ll defy Trump in the end.
 
As for Zelensky, well he’ll need to hire a private army with all that stole cash he has, to protect him – and surely the Pentagon will want him terminated for he knows too much – and who better to do that than the Ukrainian mercenaries who are guns for hire all over the globe now. – Merz, Starmer, Kallas – von der Leyen, Macron etc will publicly lament the little Neo-Nazi dictators demise – privately they’ll be reeling but darent oppose their Yankee master Trump.
 
 
“Trump told Politico that Kiev should no longer use the ongoing conflict as an excuse to delay a vote.
“They haven’t had an election in a long time,” Trump said. “You know, they talk about a democracy, but it gets to a point where it’s not a democracy anymore.”
Asked directly if Ukraine should go to the polls, Trump said “it’s time” and argued it was “an important time to hold an election,” adding that while “they’re using war not to hold an election,” Ukrainians “should have that choice.””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2025 16:16 utc | 36

That Zelensky would refuse was easy to see as he’s held to the same constitutional line which Putin recently outlined at the Post-CSTO Summit presser and the numerous legal hoops that must be navigated for a genuine peace settlement with Ukraine:
 

I believe that the Ukrainian leadership made a fundamental, strategic mistake when it was afraid to hold presidential elections, and as a result, the president lost his legitimate status. Russia is also in a state of armed conflict with Ukraine, but we have held elections: both presidential elections and recent municipal and regional elections. We are doing all of this, but for some reason, they are not. As soon as any kind of peace agreement is reached, the fighting will stop, and the state of emergency will be lifted. Once the state of emergency is lifted, elections will be announced.
 
But in today’s conditions, it is difficult for the current political leadership of Ukraine to count on a victory without fraud, almost impossible, I think. Although, of course, as Stalin said, “it doesn’t matter who votes, it’s important who counts.” And no one has canceled the administrative resource. But it’s still a challenging situation for them.
 
But then, after that, a referendum on all territorial issues must be held, as stated in the Constitution. And then the referendum must be confirmed by the Constitutional Court.
 
And what is happening with the Constitutional Court? I’ve already mentioned this. Let me remind you: when the political leadership demanded that the Constitutional Court confirm the president’s authority, the Constitutional Court refused to comply and declined to answer. This is because the Constitution only allows for a single five-year term. There is no provision for an extension.
 
Now we can go into details, into all sorts of legal squiggles, but there is no extension, even in the conditions of the declaration of martial law. Only the Rada has the right to extend its powers in wartime, the president does not. So, he himself, as an official, cannot sign, it is necessary to confirm the Constitutional Court. But when the Constitutional Court was asked to confirm the authority, and the court refused, do you know what they did? I have not said it or not, but it is ridiculous: the security service stopped him from entering his workplace. He came to work, and the door was knocked, and he was told to get out. And he eventually ran away abroad.
 
The Constitutional Court is not working, and the President of the Supreme Court is in prison for corruption. Those who engage in corruption are the most corrupt, and the President of the Supreme Court was imprisoned for corruption. During this time, the powers of the members of the Constitutional Court have expired, and new members of the Constitutional Court must be elected. This is a complex process, do you understand?
 
So, as soon as martial law is lifted, the presidential elections must be held, the referendum must be held, and a new Constitutional Court must be formed. It’s a start and an end that will never end.
 
So, basically, we want to reach an agreement with Ukraine in the end, but it’s almost impossible right now, legally impossible. Let them negotiate with whoever they want. We need our decisions to be internationally recognized by the major international players. That’s it.
 
And this is important, because it’s one thing to have recognized decisions, and let’s say that certain territories are under Russian sovereignty, and if the agreements are violated, it would be an attack on the Russian Federation, with all the consequences that Russia would take in response, or it would be perceived as an attempt to bring the law back to Ukrainian territory. These are two different things.
 
And so, of course, we need recognition, but not from Ukraine today. I hope that in the future we will be able to come to an agreement with Ukraine: there are many healthy people there who want to build relations with Russia for a long-term historical perspective.

 
This issue resurfaces continually because the intricacies Putin described are too much for many brains to handle, particularly simple-minded pukes like Trump and his gang who have always tried to avoid being lawful.  And that’s the sad reality. So, what’s the solution? That too is complex and goes beyond Ukraine to the ousting of those NATO/EU nuts who continue to provide Zelensky with support. The Trump Gang wants to surrender without saying it’s surrendering but really can’t unless they close-out NATO, which is an act the Deep State won’t allow. So, the SMO will continue until it attains its objectives.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2025 16:23 utc | 37

The next new Russian region will be  Odessa. After that, new rounds of negotiations can begin. 

Posted by: Steve | Dec 9 2025 16:23 utc | 38

Democrat Presidents (I am needling MAGAs here) would have had Zelensky fall down a flight of stairs by now. *** That Zelensky is still above ground might suggest that this is more pantomime for  Boomers and Fox News. *** What a sad “free world” when Zelensky is calling the shots.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 9 2025 16:02 utc | 32
 
Human sacrifice was one of the first tools of earliest forms of government – a prerogative of the priest class.  
 
Interesting that the “free world” narrative began basically post WWII, when the US security state began its ascent. No leader ever called the shots for something that is only a slogan.  Zelensky is just a tool.  The power to change regimes, steal elections, etc. is the only secret garden that matters.  

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 9 2025 16:24 utc | 39

Apologies for off topic, but here’s a new Venezuela report. May be useful to some barflies!

Posted by: Alex Cox | Dec 9 2025 16:29 utc | 40

*** But in today’s conditions, it is difficult for the current political leadership of Ukraine to count on a victory without fraud, almost impossible, I think. Although, of course, as Stalin said, “it doesn’t matter who votes, it’s important who counts.” ***
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2025 16:23 utc | 37
 
As this is directed to the Outlaw Empire, I will disgronificate this into western gangster speech: We know exactly what you’re doing, we invented this shit.  Now that’s funny!  

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 9 2025 16:34 utc | 41

The pretend-Nazi Zelensky is threatened by the real Nazis to not give up anything. When he eventually buckles, they will finish him. Then the whole shit-show stops soon after.
I am guessing Russia will take Odessa by election, not by force. When the Nazis are gone and elections are eventually arranged I guess Odessa will vote to join Russa, and that’s that.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 9 2025 16:40 utc | 42

A capitalists nightmare – but Maduro and Chavez,  have helped their people enormously.
 
“Amid U.S. pressure, Venezuela deepens the Communes
MADURO: “We declare ourselves a Communal Transition Government toward Socialism, of Popular and Neighborhood Power, founded on the example of Christ the Redeemer.”
Caracas is shifting productive and administrative capacity to 5,336 territorial self-government units connected to over 49,000 communal councils nationwide.
The announcement marks an acceleration of Chávez’s “commune or nothing” 2012 directive where he warned that without transferring real power to communal structures, the revolution would remain trapped within the inherited bourgeois state form.
Maduro now frames the communal system as the realization of that vision, contrasting the “true democracy” of direct popular participation against “false bourgeois democracy” of representative institutions.
The logic is structural: as sanctions impact centralized state functions, the communes become alternative circuits for credit (communal banks), production (local enterprises), and distribution.
Communal banks, set to expand from 1,758 to 4,000 by April 2026, become localized nodes of production, credit, and distribution outside the dollar-dominated world-financial system.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2025 16:44 utc | 43

In Britain they are  given peerages and titles, and they are invited onto braindead games shows such as Big Brother – and if they are really lucky – they get to meet and possibly work, for Tony Blair.
 
“China on Tuesday executed Bai Tianhui, former general manager of China Huarong International Holdings Limited, after being convicted of bribery. The execution was carried out by a court in north China’s Tianjin Municipality, following the approval of the Supreme People’s Court.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2025 16:47 utc | 44

The EU shysters will back down.
 
“Rumours are going around that UK, Germany, and France have threatened to liquidate official reserves in US Treasuries in a ‘nuclear option’ if Trump does a deal with Putin over Ukraine to end the war against European interests. If true, it reveals what intellectual pygmies the Starmer, Macron, and Merz are.
 
They massively underestimate what is practical or legal once again. Let’s be rational on their behalf. 1. Total holdings of US Treasuries as FX reserves by the Bank of England, Banque de France, and German Bundesbank total approximately $550 billion of the total $1350 billion Treasuries owned within the three states. They cannot order liquidation of commercial bank holdings, the principal form of global margin and repo collateral keeping Europe liquid in global capital markets. 2. The 3 central bank holdings are just 1.43% of the total $38.45 trillion of US debt, so 1/70th. 3. US could take the hit much better than retaliatory selling of gilts, bunds, and tresors! The potential for blowback in European rates and volatility is massive. 4. State leaders lack the authority to order central banks to liquidate FX reserve assets.
 
It’s not their bonds, but the assets of central banks granted independence over monetary and reserves policies by statute as a fundamental choice of modern economies. I can’t see any central bank asset manager agreeing to accept a liquidation order or state intervention in asset management policies, absent explicit divestment sanctions being imposed on USA. 5. The $550 billion couldn’t be sold off all at once as no US dealer would do the liquidation, worrying about angering the New York Fed and the very poor liquidity and capacity for onward trading in today’s massively over-concentrated and illiquid UST market.
 
(The Silicon Valley Bank failure to liquidate its Treasuries reserves triggered a massive crisis in March 2023.) Like the threatened EU expropriation of the official reserves of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation in anticipation of Trump ceding the assets back to Russia, always inevitable when war ends, European leaders show a fundamentally flawed understanding of the world and their influence in it.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2025 16:56 utc | 45

And its not just Trump that wants the Neo-Nazi dictator gone, and the war ended.
 
“Czech Republic appoints Ukraine aid opponent Andrej Babiš as Prime Minister Hungary’s Orbán reportedly aims to unite him with Slovakia’s Fico — forming an EU bloc against further Ukraine support”
 
 

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2025 17:00 utc | 46

Yawn.  
 
How many times, this is not news.   
 
You can’t make a peace deal with 3 clown parties from the same side.    
Let the Ukes, US, EU decide first who’s in charge and has the authority to surrender to Russia.    
For now they will be ignored like the quarreling gossip girls they are.
 
 

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Dec 9 2025 17:06 utc | 47

Thanks for this excellent post: More…
 
The Duran
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-PxgDpk3nk
 
“Let’s talk about some news…”
 
 
JT: Mark Sleboda
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Kr-xcekUM
 
“Russia smashes Ukraine’s Zaporizhia frontline.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 9 2025 17:13 utc | 48

Our host still panders to Trump cultists, assuming that Trump legitimately wants peace. To that end, he offers advice on how to do so. I think instead that Trump has been told the issue is choosing who to replace him. The thing is, Ukraine is not a bourgeois democracy, even a rotten one, it’s fascist. Elections are not going to be gamed by the State Department office continuing NED in-house. Installing a replacement I think will require using the influence of US military with their fascist friends and the hooks in the Ukrainian military. The thing is, if the US really is pulling out of the Ukrainian theater of the war against Russia, then it’s cutting all its strings. You don’t play puppet master when there are no strings on the puppets. Staying in is the requirement for staying in control. (By the way, this is true of NATO in general, hence the contradiction in the recent NSS where it advocates interference in European politics in favor of sufficiently right-wing movements and governments.)
 
As to the first recommendations, actually cutting intelligence from satellites? Aside from the unsupported assertion that Trump has the will to do so after all this time, it doesn’t directly hit Zelensky, who our host also insists is the problem. Additionally, important yes, but is the war over without it? I’m not so sure. The second recommendation, using NABU etc. I think is Trump cultist nonsense about the evil subversive powers of lawfare taken too seriously. So far as I can see, it’s not just Zelensky who has to worry about fascists, organized or freelance, doing them in. And I hope the US isn’t so integrated with the fascists (yet) in Ukraine they have total control of their shenanigans. The third, Trump walking away for six months or so? Doesn’t seem likely with Wittkoff trying to find billions of dollars for a US cut on the one hand, and Marco Rubio holding all those jobs on the other. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 9 2025 17:16 utc | 49

So how much smaller is Ukraine going to be, by the time the West has negotiated the next peace plan with itself?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 9 2025 17:25 utc | 50

I read the headline and thought to myself, “thank God“…everything is going to plan.  I add, I’m pretty sure Putin and Trump thought the exact same thing.
 
For while there “..it’s Trump’s War“, the DNC-poll-tested-phrase had real cache but, through the strenuous efforts of European leaders [Sullivan/Blinken’s blanket-buddies] and Zele, Trump is no longer the 3LAs fall guy.  Very humorous…in a dark disturbing way…[evil laugh here].

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 9 2025 17:30 utc | 51

So how much smaller is Ukraine going to be, by the time the West has negotiated the next peace plan with itself?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 9 2025 17:25 utc | 51
 
It will be bigger – The future Ukraine is to include the Kursk and Rostov Oblasts to honor the brave sacrifices of the fighting men.  

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 9 2025 17:32 utc | 52

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 9 2025 16:40 utc | 42
“I am guessing Russia will take Odessa by election, not by force. When the Nazis are gone and elections are eventually arranged I guess Odessa will vote to join Russa, and that’s that.”
 
I like that forecast. That wins “Post of the Day” for me.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 9 2025 17:32 utc | 53

Russia will take Odessa by election *** “Post of the Day” for me.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 9 2025 17:32 utc | 54
 
Stanislav Krapivnik has recently been outlining some happenings, including in the Odessa region, where press gangs are being beaten – literally – and laughed at. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 9 2025 17:36 utc | 54

Mother Teresa trump is’nt.
 
It’s plain to see the advantage for trumps america first plans here.
 
If europe go’s head to head with a direct war with  Russia,  both will be weaker, and by comparison america ‘thinks ‘ it will be stronger .
 
High stakes, high risks. I predict  major trouble ahead for  all.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 9 2025 17:49 utc | 55

And they still do not take into account the COUP.
 
Any peace plan to end the war in Ukraine must take into account the following:
 
IN 2014 THE UNITED STATES CONDUCTED A COUP IN UKRAINE.
 
In 2014 the United States (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the democratically elected Yanukovich government which was considered insufficiently pro-Europe).
 
Many in Eastern Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government sent in the military to deal with the eastern rebels.
 
The media claimed, and still claims, that the U.S. backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they champion (vigorously support) a march to the Russian border.
 
WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
Imagine that in 2014 Russia (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the Yanukovich government which many considered too pro-Europe).
 
Many in Western Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government called in the Russian military to deal with the western rebels.
 
Of course, to be consistent, the media would have to claim that the Russian backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and that they championed a march of the Russian military to the Polish border.
 
The important point is that statements such as “coup-Ukraine will not give up any of its land,” and “Zelenski Rejects Giving Land” make no sense.
 
This is because the coup-government, and its successors, never established authority over all of Ukraine.
 
WHAT IF THE CHINESE HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
What if the Chinese (aligned with a leftist/communist faction in the Ukrainian government) had conducted a coup in Kiev. Would this give them authority over all of Ukraine?
 
What is the legal situation?
 
A few notes on the 2014 Coup in Ukraine.
 
A few days before the coup the US Under/Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, was taped telling US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, why she wanted Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be the prime minister of the upcoming coup-government, rather than the boxer Vitali Klitschko who was apparently the favorite for the position.
 
The Russians released the tape to the internet. Some thought this would stop the coup going ahead.
 
However, the coup went ahead, Nuland’s order was carried out, and Yatsenyuk got the job of prime minister.
 
Klitschko got the job of mayor of Kiev.
 
Everyone in sight (except possibly Tyahnybok) was a Jew but you are not allowed to call it a Jew coup.
 
You are allowed to call it a Nazi coup though.
 
All this led directly to the 2014 coup-Ukraine vs rebel-Ukraine civil war,
 
which led to the 2022 coup-Ukraine-NATO vs rebel-Ukraine-Russia war.

Posted by: John | Dec 9 2025 17:55 utc | 56

Excellent news. Russia can go on with its SMO.
 
But why are they so stupid, arrogant and blind? More than likely because they are nazis and banderists. Like their supporters.
 
Only one thing is missing: the theft of the Russian assets.
 
The penis piano player speaking of “moral law”. ROTFL!

Posted by: Naive | Dec 9 2025 17:57 utc | 57

@ Mark2 | Dec 9 2025 17:49 utc | 56
 
Europe going head-to-head with Russia, on its own, doesn’t physically have enough forces (equipment and manpower) to even make much of a dent in Russia, conversely the damage Europe would suffer will be immense, so much so that any future as a meaningful trading bloc will be permanently gone, likely most of the population that survived would be reduced to subsistence living.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 9 2025 17:59 utc | 58

The next new Russian region will be  Odessa. After that, new rounds of negotiations can begin. 
Posted by: Steve | Dec 9 2025 16:23 utc | 38
 
Which negotiations?
 
It is about capitulation not negotiations.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 9 2025 18:01 utc | 59

Jeremy rhymings-lang @ 59
I absalutly agree with you, but add america would view that as a major plus.
 
Think… matracide !

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 9 2025 18:05 utc | 60

“Peace plans” are like “game-changers”, lots of preening and posturing, then everyone forgets about them.
 
In all the fuss, I’ve forgotten which version of The Plan this one was; plan D, or plan E? So what’s next, plan WTF?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 9 2025 18:05 utc | 61

Serious question: After the Ukrainian army has been decimated (or almost all of its soldiers have been killed) could the war continue by solely mechanical means?
I mean “drone versus drone, missile versus missile” etc., with their operation being controlled remotely, even thousands of miles away, by either humans or — eventually — computer programs, in the future?
Automation can be more efficient/accurate/durable than human action, so isn’t it just a matter of time before robots replace infantry in all wars? Profit-making warmongers would certainly welcome such an outcome; …no more exasperating recruitment drives, or deserters, or turncoats, or suicides to worry about, etc.

Posted by: Mark Mosby | Dec 9 2025 18:05 utc | 62

What a sad “free world” when Zelensky is calling the shots.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 9 2025 16:02 utc | 32
 
Zelensky is the Jew messiah.

Posted by: Zelensky | Dec 9 2025 18:11 utc | 63

Norwegian @ 42:
 
“I am guessing Russia will take Odessa by election, not be force…”
 
Analyst John Helmer discusses Odessa in his latest DW conversation: He says Russia can wait for the capitulation of Odessa because Odessa, ‘a city of crooks’ will go in the direction of money – Russian money.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE-OpiY2CQg
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 9 2025 18:12 utc | 64

Automation can be more efficient/accurate/durable than human action

Posted by: Mark Mosby | Dec 9 2025 18:05 utc | 63
 
But also more expensive to replace the losses, after all robots can’t be press-ganged. Probably more energy-hungry as well, compared to human units running on rations and potable water.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 9 2025 18:15 utc | 65

Further to #65 – Helmer’s discussion of Odessa begins at 42:45…

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 9 2025 18:19 utc | 66

 
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 9 2025 16:40 utc | 42
 
Norwegian – Zelensky, if he manages to survive, has his future mapped out for him.  If  he insists on holding out the extremists have no reason to kill him.  After the defeat he can move to Europe and become an icon of the new Cold War.  Government in Exile.
 
The extremists will have no choice but to move to Europe as well, where they can provide the basis for further destabilisation attempts.   Gehlen redivivus.  That’s provided the current crop of European politicians can stay the course.   Will they?  The look pretty shaky to me but they’re good at staying put. 
“I am guessing Russia will take Odessa by election, not by force. When the Nazis are gone and elections are eventually arranged I guess Odessa will vote to join Russa, and that’s that.”
 
Best solution.  Best solution for the entire Kharkov-Odessa arc.  They don’t deserve to be stuck in remnant Ukraine after all this and probably wouldn’t do very well if they were.  But all that’s up to the Russians and we still don’t know how they’re going to do their demilitarisation and denazification.
 
 

Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 9 2025 18:26 utc | 67

If Private wealth and cash flow take over when UK, EU and USA governments can no longer finance the war against Russia, the war will last until Russia is broke.  I think it was Jacob Schiff who financed the 1905 war of Japan against Russia and it was private Jewish owned banks that keep the war against Romanoff led  Czarist Russia going all the way through the Bolshevik revolution 1917-19. .. 
 

Posted by: snake | Dec 9 2025 18:30 utc | 68

They look …”  And I slipped up on the spacing. Apologies.

Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 9 2025 18:31 utc | 69

Alexander Mercouris: ‘Lasting Ceasefire’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@AlexMercouris/videos
 
“US Ukraine peace summit collapses; Zelensky defiant; EU usurps fundraising powers; Assigns guarantees.”
 
 
Anatolii Sharii (auto-dubbed)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWlzvJ0YInE
 
“Trump will soon bend the elections.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 9 2025 18:32 utc | 70

Re: Unconditional Capitulation of the Kiev Gov’t ?
 
Doesn’t end the fighting. The fighting is about the expansion of NATO members post 1991. Not one inch forward was the promise. 
 
 
 

Posted by: exile | Dec 9 2025 18:38 utc | 71

Posted by: Savonarole | Dec 9 2025 15:39 utc  24
 
The smartest quote was one of Varoufakis : ” If you wanted weaken Russia so badly, you should have integrate them in the Euro-zone.”
 
Quietly chuckling over this one…

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 9 2025 18:42 utc | 72

@English Outsider | Dec 9 2025 18:26 utc | 68
I mostly agree. I don’t see the Starmer, Macron, Merz  Quslings having a long future. We have dealt with Quislings before. So I would not be too sure if I was Zelensky.
Yes I think the election route is the best option for all in remnant Ukraine. Join Russia.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 9 2025 18:46 utc | 73

*** But all that’s up to the Russians and we still don’t know how they’re going to do their demilitarisation and denazification.
 
Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 9 2025 18:26 utc | 68
 
It seems to me the longer this goes on the more the process will be in the hands of the RF.
 
The EU behaves femininely in not having the willingness to end a conflict (Guys will brawl and maybe have a beer later on vs. I know 2 women who got into a disagreement about what time of day it was acceptable to put beach towels on a poolside lounge to reserve it for the day – that was 20 years ago and they still don’t talk). The only solution I see to this 30 or so years old seachange  phenomena – government behaving as a feminine network – is for the RF to keep taking away the poolside lounges. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 9 2025 18:48 utc | 74

If Private wealth and cash flow take over ….. the war will last until Russia is broke. 
Posted by: snake | Dec 9 2025 18:30 utc | 69
 
An economy’s wealth is what it produces. The West doesn’t produce much any more. If Private ‘wealth’ tries to fund the war by buying weapons that don’t exist, all they will do is create inflation. 

Posted by: dh-mtl | Dec 9 2025 18:51 utc | 75

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 9 2025 16:40 utc | 42“I am guessing Russia will take Odessa by election, not by force. When the Nazis are gone and elections are eventually arranged I guess Odessa will vote to join Russa, and that’s that.” I like that forecast. That wins “Post of the Day” for me.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 9 2025 17:32 utc | 54
 
I agree with that too.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 9 2025 18:52 utc | 76

“… [N]umerous legal hoops  …  must be navigated for a genuine peace settlement with Ukraine: 

I believe that the Ukrainian leadership made a fundamental, strategic mistake when it was afraid to hold presidential elections, and as a result, the president lost his legitimate status. Russia is also in a state of armed conflict with Ukraine, but we have held elections: both presidential elections and recent municipal and regional elections. We are doing all of this, but for some reason, they are not. As soon as any kind of peace agreement is reached, the fighting will stop, and the state of emergency will be lifted. Once the state of emergency is lifted, elections will be announced.
 
 But in today’s conditions, it is difficult for the current political leadership of Ukraine to count on a victory without fraud, almost impossible, I think. Although, of course, as Stalin said, “it doesn’t matter who votes, it’s important who counts.” And no one has canceled the administrative resource. But it’s still a challenging situation for them.
 
 But then, after that, a referendum on all territorial issues must be held, as stated in the Constitution. And then the referendum must be confirmed by the Constitutional Court.
 
 And what is happening with the Constitutional Court? I’ve already mentioned this. Let me remind you: when the political leadership demanded that the Constitutional Court confirm the president’s authority, the Constitutional Court refused to comply and declined to answer. This is because the Constitution only allows for a single five-year term. There is no provision for an extension.
 
 
 Now we can go into details, into all sorts of legal squiggles, but there is no extension, even in the conditions of the declaration of martial law. Only the Rada has the right to extend its powers in wartime, the president does not. So, he himself, as an official, cannot sign, it is necessary to confirm the Constitutional Court. But when the Constitutional Court was asked to confirm the authority, and the court refused, do you know what they did? I have not said it or not, but it is ridiculous: the security service stopped him from entering his workplace. He came to work, and the door was knocked, and he was told to get out. And he eventually ran away abroad.
 
 The Constitutional Court is not working, and the President of the Supreme Court is in prison for corruption. Those who engage in corruption are the most corrupt, and the President of the Supreme Court was imprisoned for corruption. During this time, the powers of the members of the Constitutional Court have expired, and new members of the Constitutional Court must be elected. This is a complex process, do you understand?
 
 So, as soon as martial law is lifted, the presidential elections must be held, the referendum must be held, and a new Constitutional Court must be formed. It’s a start and an end that will never end.
 
 So, basically, we want to reach an agreement with Ukraine in the end, but it’s almost impossible right now, legally impossible. Let them negotiate with whoever they want. We need our decisions to be internationally recognized by the major international players. That’s it.
 
 And this is important, because it’s one thing to have recognized decisions, and let’s say that certain territories are under Russian sovereignty, and if the agreements are violated, it would be an attack on the Russian Federation, with all the consequences that Russia would take in response, or it would be perceived as an attempt to bring the law back to Ukrainian territory. These are two different things.
 
 And so, of course, we need recognition, but not from Ukraine today. I hope that in the future we will be able to come to an agreement with Ukraine: there are many healthy people there who want to build relations with Russia for a long-term historical perspective.

 
 This issue resurfaces continually because the intricacies Putin described are too much for many brains to handle ….”
 
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2025 16:23 utc | 37
 
Thank you, karlof1

Posted by: juliania | Dec 9 2025 19:06 utc | 77

“I think it’s high time the Russians take the whole of Ukraine and finally end the war.”
 
Posted by: sirdavide | Dec 9 2025 14:21 utc | 1
 
No, that’s too much trouble-let Romania, Hungary fight over Galicia and the endemic Nazis -Russia needs to stop at the Dneiper .
 
Russia does have to liberate (thanks DunGroanin) Odessa and that iwll take 6 months or so.
 
 

Posted by: canuk | Dec 9 2025 19:07 utc | 78

Serious question: After the Ukrainian army has been decimated (or almost all of its soldiers have been killed) could the war continue by solely mechanical means?
I mean “drone versus drone, missile versus missile” etc., with their operation being controlled remotely, even thousands of miles away, by either humans or — eventually — computer programs, in the future?
Automation can be more efficient/accurate/durable than human action, so isn’t it just a matter of time before robots replace infantry in all wars? Profit-making warmongers would certainly welcome such an outcome; …no more exasperating recruitment drives, or deserters, or turncoats, or suicides to worry about, etc.
 
Posted by: Mark Mosby | Dec 9 2025 18:05 utc | 63
 
Counter-question: Why is the Ukrainian army allowing itself to be decimated in the first place?  Blabla

Posted by: BlindSpot | Dec 9 2025 19:08 utc | 79

@ John Gilberts | Dec 9 2025 18:12 utc | 65
 
thanks john…i enjoyed and learned much about helmer from the interview he shared on his website a few days ago.. i recommend it.. 

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2025 19:10 utc | 80

Refined…revised….rejected
 
Choose your word 
Are the various words by media  used for the oh so carefully  now 20 point (or pointless) “thingy”.
The term ” chimera” seems appropriate for me. Goodness how many hours and tens of thousands of wasted words with wasted politicians at wasted expense has been used or abused to create this. Much simpler in April 2022 to say  errrr….yup could be worse…now it is. Cost 1.6 trillion to the west do far it has been calculated   let alone future stagnation deindustrialization bankruptcies etc etc, plus hopefully a whole layer and load of politicians end up begging on the streets.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 9 2025 19:12 utc | 81

Its hardly a surprise Zelensky would reject it.  In fact I believe Russias lukewarm support was predicted on a Ukrainian rejection.  As it was he offered to renounce claims in Zaporizhia and Kherson that would be political suicide in Russia.  But it didn’t really confirm that, just that Ukraine would cede Donbass, it’s a moot point anyway.
 
So the war must continue until one side has had enough.  Ukraines backers can never have enough so it’s Victory or death for Ukraine.   Unless it rediscovers it’s sovereignty.
 
They will have enough war material to keep going indefinitely too.  Don’t underestimate Nato in Europe, they can produce, buy and refurbish equipment long after Ukraine at least until they become failed states due to migrant hordes from Africa and the middle East.  I believe Trump gives them about 20 years.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 9 2025 19:14 utc | 82

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 9 2025 18:42 utc | 73
 
I laughed so hard…
 
Ha, ha

Posted by: canuk | Dec 9 2025 19:14 utc | 83

Guardian:

A spokesperson for the MoD said: “It is with deep regret that we must announce that a member of the UK armed orces died in Ukraine this morning, Tuesday 9 December.
“He was injured in a tragic accident whilst observing Ukrainian forces test a new defensive capability, away from the frontlines.”
British military personnel are present in Ukraine in small numbers in support of the country’s armed forces, and to guard the British embassy, though their presence has been acknowledged only in limited and careful disclosures.
There was no further detail on what had happened, other than to say that the fatal incident was not the result of hostile fire. The MoD said it would not be commenting further on Tuesday.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 9 2025 19:15 utc | 84

I”f Private wealth and cash flow take over when UK, EU and USA governments can no longer finance the war against Russia, the war will last until Russia is broke.  I think it was Jacob Schiff who financed the 1905 war of Japan against Russia and it was private Jewish owned banks that keep the war against Romanoff led  Czarist Russia going all the way through the Bolshevik revolution 1917-19. .. ” 
Posted by: snake | Dec 9 2025 18:30 utc | 69
 
“I think”-I can confirm that Jacob Schiff/ Jewish banks financed both instances.
 
However, I disagree that private capital can finance  the Ukrainian war when the Sovereigns go broke-private capital is severely leverages see AI financing.
 
Russia is bleeding out the West.

Posted by: canuk | Dec 9 2025 19:21 utc | 85

When Moon says “USA can simply walk away”, it implies that this is a war between Ukraine and Russia. It is not. It is a proxy war between USA and Russia. UKRAINE HAS NO AGENCY. EUROPE HAS NO AGENCY.
Don’t be fooled into thinking that Zekensky or Europe can decide ANYTHING. The so called peace negotiations are mere theatre designed to obfuscate the fact that USA has lost the war.
 

Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Dec 9 2025 19:31 utc | 86

“Mother Teresa trump is’nt.”
 
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 9 2025 18:05 utc | 61
 
I guess you aren’t familiar with the work of Mother Theresa-she was actually a monster-she withheld drugs or food to dying children as she fervently believed,  ‘They would be better off with God”
 
The Roman Catholic church loved her as she cut costs at the missions.. (1)
 
So your logic against Trump , especially on your post is, rather humourously,  the direct opposite of what you thought you meant, but you are historically ignorant of the simile you proffered. .
 
You have TDS , real, real bad.
 
1. The most significant challenge to the reputation of Mother Teresa came from Christopher Hitchens in 1995 in his book The Missionary Position. “Only the absence of scrutiny has allowed her to pass unchallenged as a force for pure goodness, and it is high time that this suspension of our critical faculties was itself suspended,” he wrote, questioning whether the poor in her homes were denied basic treatment in the belief that suffering brought them closer to God. Hitchens’s lonely voice also raised the issue of the order’s finances, which in 1995 (and still in July 2005 when we were filming) seemed never to reach Kolkata’s poorest.” (2)
 
2. https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2005/08/squalid-truth-behind-legacy-mother-teresa 

Posted by: canuk | Dec 9 2025 19:40 utc | 87

@ Anton Gorbatow | Dec 9 2025 19:31 utc | 87
 
there is a lot of truth to what you say.. i have always described this conflict as between russia and nato… the usa is the leader of nato.. would the usa be willing to stop it’s revenue stream from europe with regard to nato?? they may claim to want to end the war, but i think this issue of cutting the usa off the military, banking and energy complex revenue that goes with being the leader of nato remains the critical question.. i don’t think they want to let go of this lucrative ”drug” business myself… but tds might have a different viewpoint.. 

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2025 19:40 utc | 88

Japan have refused to use Russian bank deposits to help Ukraine. 

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 9 2025 19:41 utc | 89

Zelensky: 
➖I’m ready for elections. The issue of elections depends on the people of Ukraine. I will be in Ukraine tomorrow and I’m waiting for proposals from partners and our deputies about legislative changes to hold elections during martial law, — said Zelensky.
➖I am now asking the US, possibly with the Europeans, to ensure security for the elections. And then, over the next 60 days, Ukraine will be ready to hold elections.
 
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/150075
 
If we believe that, he is out very soon. But we shall not believe it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 9 2025 19:57 utc | 90

Canuk @  88
Thank you very very much for your comprehensive and detailed correction regarding my throw away phrase  about trump not being mother teresa,
 
Dispite your avoiding the simple point i was actually makeing.
 
Delete,   “mother Terasa trump is’nt”  replace with….
Trump is a lying facsist bastard.
 
 
Your use of the term TDS , is projection.  Your a brainwashed trump cultist, with an inverted sence of reality.
 

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 9 2025 19:57 utc | 91

British soldier killed in Ukraine (not a merc)
UK Ministry of Defence statement 
https://nitter.net/DefenceHQ/status/1998439228162617452
”regret” 

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 9 2025 19:58 utc | 92

DJT will be very displeased with Volo.
More than likely he will silently end all aid to the Nazi Ukraine, and walk away.
He will gladly let Starmer, Macron and Merz shoulder the burden now, and they are incapable of doing so.
Volo days are numbered……gone by the new year, and good riddance.

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 9 2025 19:59 utc | 93

“But all that’s up to the Russians and we still don’t know how they’re going to do their demilitarisation and denazification.”  
Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 9 2025 18:26 utc | 68
 
Well after almost 4 years and 1.8 million Ukes dead or severely injured I think they are making a ‘good start’ at both.

Posted by: canuk | Dec 9 2025 20:00 utc | 94

DJT will be very displeased with Volo.
 
Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 9 2025 19:59 utc | 94
 
#####
 
And?
 
Is he going to send some mean tweets?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 9 2025 20:03 utc | 95

85 – If the UK MOD is actually admitting a member of the RA was killed in the Ukraine, then there must be many more likewise casualties in country.
The lid is off the jar.  More than likely this individual and many mates were killed attempting to launch long range missiles on RF targets and were hit with a RF pre-emptive strike.
I am sure that the RN is suffering even more casualties at their base RN HQ in Odessa, where they track and target Neptune ordinance and remote ships against RF targets.
More to come in short order……..

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 9 2025 20:05 utc | 96

96 – he is going to cut them loose, and depose Volo in the near term.  Not a guy you want to cross………….

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 9 2025 20:07 utc | 97

@ tobias cole | Dec 9 2025 20:05 utc | 97

‼️🇷🇺💥🇬🇧🏴‍☠️🇺🇦 The British Ministry of Defense announced the liquidation of a British servicemanin Ukraine.
 
🔺Russian Russian troops in Ukraine have already killed thousands of British troops who invaded a foreign land thousands of miles away from Britain with only one purpose – to kill Russians.
 
The British authorities carefully conceal from the people the number of dead British soldiers illegally fighting against Russia.
 
And all this is happening, although the British army has not yet officially entered the war.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/172149

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 9 2025 20:18 utc | 98

Just out at German MSM: Selenskyi is ready for elections – under certain conditions. I think it´s just another fake for prolonging thje cash flow.

Posted by: Blue Angel | Dec 9 2025 20:26 utc | 99

Cars 4 Kids another Jewish Scam
 
 
 

Posted by: Exile | Dec 9 2025 20:27 utc | 100