On the eve of his meeting with Trump, Zelensky held six separate phone conversations.His interlocutors included Finnish President Stubb, Estonian Prime Minister Michal, Canadian Prime Minister Carney, German Chancellor Merz, and NATO Secretary General Rutte.@ukr_leaks_eng

Posted by: Jo | Dec 28 2025 14:56 utc | 4

Make America Go Away ! 
While the RF conjures up maskrovia again and again, like a great Houdini or the most impressive conjuror, in a real skin-in-the-game, existential, deadly war – since the naziofascist invasion by the proxy Hitlerites; the Ziofascists that caused it, now hide behind potus Pilate Drumpff to wash their hands and pretend to walk away from it!
 
Not only are the Yankee Doodle conspirators not blamed and arrested and trialled for the illegal regime change in ukraine – Mrs Nudelman-Kagan and their dumb named institute of Warcraft!
 
But the Yankee Doodle military elites that were deployed to kill Russians and train bandera fascists, command and control them, arm and pay them – are STILL embedded and fighting in a land thousands of miles from their ‘Cunterry’.
 
And DYING.
 
DJT47 can’t pretend that he is walking away and a peacemaker and it’s not his war – whilst still leaving their most lethal elite troops being picked off like ducks in a barrel ; they ain’t fighting blind, tech free, sandal wearing kooks any more.
 
No The Donald has no trousers and is still lying about who’s war it is! The ziofacist US state that was set up centuries ago to be the best and biggest imperial power since the Romans and Brits and all stops between.
 
Fuck the USA, break it up,
 
Make America Go Away.
 

— GEROMAN — time will tell – 👀 — (@GeromanAT)
🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇸 A new batch of elite American mercenaries has been eliminated in Ukraine ▪️As a result of the drone attack, three former US Army servicemen, who were fighting as foreign mercenaries, were killed. Among the victims: Kevin Kelly, Hayden Miller, and Sean McVay. ▪️Kelly previously served in elite units: the 75th Ranger Regiment and the 20th Special Forces Group (“Green Berets”). The militants were destroyed as a result of the Russian FPV drone hitting a pickup truck in which the group was located. In addition to them, two other foreign mercenaries received serious injuries.
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Dec 27, 2025 · 2:13 PM UTC

 
MAGA! 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 28 2025 15:05 utc | 6

Briefest and best account of the Russian position.  Malenkov in a reply to Perimetre.  My bolding.
 
…………………………………..
 

Europe needs to be put under stricter control or fenced away from the world, not to poison it anymore.”
 Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 28 2025 12:53 utc | 480
 

 Well, easier said than done, and Russia, having a sensible leadership, has little stomach for all of the (pardon the mixed metaphor) headaches that exerting the “stricter control” would cause.
 Russia doesn’t need having a bunch of Galicians, Balts, Poles, etc. sniping at it — memories of post-WWII Ukroterrorism are still fresh enough…and then Russia has a fractious southern border to deal with on top of that.
 So that’s the dilemma: Give the Euros the fight they’re so desperately spoiling for, but then deal with the unpleasant  consequences of victory. Small wonder the Russian leadership wants to keep the fighting to a localized minimum in the (quite possibly vain) hope that at least some of the Euros will come to their senses.
 
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 28 2025 13:13 utc | 481
 
…………………………….
 
It’s so difficult for the Europeans, politicians and military, to grasp that the Russians are not really interested in them any more.   And that for the more level-headed Russians , the only interest they now have in Europe is how to get clear of it.   Europe no longer a prize to be quarrelled over but an unwelcome irritation.
 
And I’d guess that for the Americans, or some of them, Europe is no longer that useful.   I think it’s going to take a little time for us Europeans to get used to these changed circumstances.  Maybe if we stopped regarding ourselves as heavy duty geopolitical players and just got on with earning a living we’d do a bit better.

Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 28 2025 15:24 utc | 8

Jo@5………its the only way to guarantee Zielinski’s re election, which I still hold as a prediction ……which will only change if he doesn’t run. But the safest place to be in all of Boulder 404 is within 1/2 mile of Zielinski, he is by far the safest non politician without any political power, heck he’s not even an official anymore and he can travel far and wide, locally and globally…..talk about stage struttin’…………he’s the man……in fact the second part of my prediction, the fucking part I hate, but hey predictions can be like that……..Zman is still in power long after Putin is gone……
 
Cheers M 
 
…..the Russians put all their money on Putin, NATO with whatever money they can spare (I’m sure the money lenders, the same ones from Babylon to Hell will back them) have put all their money on Tiny Dancer, is there an encore?

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 28 2025 16:05 utc | 10

For a long time, the existence of right-wing extremism in Europe was denied or downplayed.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 14:20 utc | 3
 
At the end of 2021 there was a palpable shift in reporting on Ukraine in Germany. Before this time, Russia was demonized but there was also critical content towards the corruption, the nazism and the lack of free speech in Ukraine. Poroshenko was an oligarch, Zelensky represented a change for the better, but there was still a long way to go, the aforementiond problems considered endemic.
By January 2022 the leitmedien were drumbeating for war, it was now almost 24/7 and there were not even vestiges of critical reporting left. The change was swift and decisive. The ground was now being prepared for the great outrage.
But if you go through german reporting between 2005 to December 2021 you will find a lot of pieces dealing with the problem of fascism and extreme nationalism in Ukraine. Memories are short, as Orwell understood very well, he had witnessed it over and over again. Three month of propaganda and all conformists worshipped Ukraine as the bacon (sic!) of democracy.
No other country in history has ever been as innocent as Ukraine and no other dictator as evil as Putin. Of course ideoloigically, Germans has been programmed to despise Russians for 200 years, so no surprise there.

Posted by: Hamburger | Dec 28 2025 16:24 utc | 12

And I’d guess that for the Americans, or some of them, Europe is no longer that useful.   I think it’s going to take a little time for us Europeans to get used to these changed circumstances.  Maybe if we stopped regarding ourselves as heavy duty geopolitical players and just got on with earning a living we’d do a bit better.
Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 28 2025 15:24 utc | 8

You have perhaps hit the nail on the head, not just for Europeans but as a general bit of advice to the powerful of all political entities. The road to hegemony in the west depends on the mountain of debt via control of fiat currency which enables a transfer of wealth from productive parties to support the endless wars of aggression.  It’s the same road to disaster that every empire in history has followed, to the demise of economies involved and to the demise of living standards for the working populace.  Seems obvious to me but the “elite” are hard headed. Mind you, it seems hard to see the logic for some when they are suffering from recto-cranial inversion.  BTW, EO…..I really enjoy your contributions to MoA

Posted by: Giuseppe | Dec 28 2025 17:03 utc | 14

“the second part of my prediction, the fucking part I hate, but hey predictions can be like that……..Zman is still in power long after Putin is gone……”
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 28 2025 16:05 utc | 10
Why do you say that’s the part you hate? It’s obvious to everyone here that that is the part you love (if it was likely, which it isn’t). You are as transparent as cellophane (because, clearly, subtlety is far above your pay grade), and your concern-trolling is badly inconsistent.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 28 2025 17:57 utc | 16

Mere is a warmonge.
Posted by: frithguild | Dec 28 2025 17:42 utc | 15
Yes, but you have to know the background to see that it’s not purely personal hatred, but that there’s more to it than that. To reduce it to that alone is too narrow-minded. (Don’t say “corruption”; other forces were/are at work here, as in the case of the coronavirus crisis.)

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 18:01 utc | 18

@ smartfox | Dec 28 2025 14:20 utc | 3
 
Thanks for translating and posting that article.
 
Like many things lately, I am wondering about the timing – why now? Why suddenly give airtime to something that the Western MSM, as whole, have kept away from for 4+ years? Not just the media in Germany, but here in Britain no media outlet has gone near the topic of unsavoury aspects of Ukrainian society since 2022.
 
Could it be seen as an opening shot in a debate about how much Germany should get involved with the proposed €90 billion for Ukraine? Framed in the context of “How could we possibly send money to these objectionable types of people?”.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 28 2025 18:02 utc | 20

I mean things are in place for the military showdown….
Posted by: Woke American | Dec 28 2025 18:02 utc | 19
 
No, they are not, because the two most important (or even the four) prerequisites are simply not there:1) The will of the relevant leaders to actually wage war directly.2) The necessary money.3) The necessary weapons.4) The necessary soldiers.Regardless of all the propaganda, none of these things are in place.
But Russia has (and is mass-producing)Oreschnik, which can also be used without nuclear weapons and thus has a much lower threshold for use than nuclear weapons.
This is ignored by the Western media (and officially by politicians as well).

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 18:15 utc | 22

*** Yes, but you have to know the background to see that it’s not purely personal hatred, but that there’s more to it than that. To reduce it to that alone is too narrow-minded. ***
Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 18:01 utc | 18
 
I agree wholeheartedly. As those on the barstools would agree, facts matter. 
 
What I am assessing is how facts can be bent into a narrative that motivates those with a simple heuristic unburdened by complexity – kind of like those in the old Frankenstein movie carrying torches and pitchforks. What Jedi mind tricks does the Blob have at the ready?

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 28 2025 18:19 utc | 24

@smartfox 22
 
No, they are not, because the two most important (or even the four) prerequisites are simply not there:1) The will of the relevant leaders to actually wage war directly.2) The necessary money.3) The necessary weapons.4) The necessary soldiers.Regardless of all the propaganda, none of these things are in place.But Russia has (and is mass-producing)Oreschnik, which can also be used without nuclear weapons and thus has a much lower threshold for use than nuclear weapons.This is ignored by the Western media (and officially by politicians as well).
 
Ok… how about Europe is in the process of beginning the hard work of putting things in place for the military showdown they are advertising.  Maybe it really WILL take until 2030 or so.
 
By then, of course, Europe might suffer an annoying economic collapse.  A much better result for Europe than suffering a Shock and Awe air show up close and personal, provided by the Russian military.  Regardless of how many Russians that Europeans kill in return. 

Posted by: Woke American | Dec 28 2025 18:39 utc | 26

Re: ZH
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28 2025 18:17 utc | 23
 
This is an article by Tyler Durden alone. Remarkable how much piece real estate is taken up by statements of Lavrov, Peskov and Putin. The formulation seems to be that Europe and Zelensky won’t face the facts:

• Zelensky seems only willing to talk about a temporary freeze to the war, and not necessarily the kind of full, permanent political recognition of Russia’s hold over most of the Donbass.
• This latter reference to his decision-making ability is another card Moscow might play if the US and Ukrainian sides come out of the Florida meetings with a less than optimal peace deal.

 
I can’t seem to face up to the facts
I’m tense and nervous, and I can’t relax
I can’t sleep ’cause my bed’s on fire
Don’t touch me, I’m a real live wire
Psycho killer, qu’est-ce que c’est?
Fa-fa-fa-fa, fa-fa-fa-fa-fa, fa, better
Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away
Oh-oh-oh

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 28 2025 18:45 utc | 28

Live Feed
https://www.rt.com/on-air/630113-trump-zelensky-meeting-palm-beach/
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 18:53 utc | 30

Why are Putin and Lavrov constsntly telling this stupid story about “America that is really looking fir peace”?
Posted by: Simon | Dec 28 2025 19:02 utc | 31
 
Climate improvement, always important in diplomacy

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 19:06 utc | 32

The rubber meeting the road part is when the kabuki is over and Russia asks who is going to sign whatever agreement is reached and do they have the authority to do so……I think this includes Putin telling Trump he needs to get Senate treaty approval and then how many heads will explode?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28 2025 19:10 utc | 33
 
We are still a long way from that. First, England must allow Z to conclude a treaty that does not correspond to Western plans.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 19:16 utc | 34

So why do they still not take into account the 2014 COUP?
 
Any peace plan to end the war in Ukraine must take into account the COUP.
 
IN 2014 THE UNITED STATES CONDUCTED A COUP IN UKRAINE.
 
In 2014 the United States (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the democratically elected Yanukovich government which was considered insufficiently pro-Europe).
 
Many in Eastern Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government sent in the military to deal with the eastern rebels.
 
The media claimed, and still claims, that the U.S. backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they champion (vigorously support) a march to the Russian border.
 
WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
Imagine that in 2014 Russia (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the Yanukovich government which many considered too pro-Europe).
 
Perhaps many in Western Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government called in the Russian military to deal with the western rebels.
 
Of course, to be consistent, the media would have to claim that the Russian backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and that they championed a march of the Russian military to the Polish border.
 
The important point is that statements such as “coup-Ukraine will not give up any of its land,” and “Zelenski Rejects Giving Land” make no sense.
 
This is because the coup-government, and its successors, never established authority over all of Ukraine.
 
WHAT IF THE CHINESE HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
What if the Chinese (aligned with a leftist/communist faction in the Ukrainian government) had conducted a coup in Kiev. Would this give them authority over all of Ukraine?
 
What is the legal situation?
 
A few notes on the 2014 Coup in Ukraine.
 
About a month before the coup the US Under/Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, was taped telling US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, why she wanted Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be the prime minister of the upcoming coup-government, rather than the boxer Vitali Klitschko who was apparently the favorite for the position.
 
The Russians released the tape to the internet. Some thought this would stop the coup going ahead.
 
However, the coup went ahead, Nuland’s order was carried out, and Yatsenyuk got the job of prime minister.
 
Klitschko got the job of mayor of Kiev.
 
Everyone in sight (except possibly Tyahnybok) was a Jew but you are not allowed to call it a Jew coup.
 
You are allowed to call it a Nazi coup though.
 
All this led directly to the 2014 coup-Ukraine vs rebel-Ukraine civil war,
 
which led to the 2022 coup-Ukraine-NATO vs rebel-Ukraine-Russia war.
 
So here we are; the Jews get 80% of Ukraine with a coup. And they demand more.
 
And the Russians get 20% by war. Clearly, the Russians should get into the coup business.
 
And the Ukrainians get,…. killed in large numbers.

Posted by: Jon | Dec 28 2025 19:28 utc | 36

Zelinsky wants power. A little man with a big ego.
Posted by: Bingo | Dec 28 2025 19:22 utc | 35
 
He’s just a sockpuppet of England.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 19:31 utc | 38

AFU casualties near 1.200 second day in a row, this after a climb from a 1.100 period climbing to 1.400s and 1.500s top.
 
I’m going out on limb here and, as maps still show AFU counterattacks, that peak kupiansk has passed.
 
Particularly if tass is saying  that” Russian forces destroy Ukrainian units in northwest of Kupyansk — Defense Ministry ”
 
https://tass.com/defense/2065915
 
Strange that kiev doesn’t even keep it up for new year’s day.  Next week we’ll see if it’s getting harder for them to sustain any of the latest moves.
 
Meanwhile , looks like RF is finally closing the Gordeevka-Guyevo line that during kursk I thought might make a perfect lid for a cauldron, but kupiansk has shown that RF’s inteligent bet of keping LOC exposure minimal also is (at least temporarily) overcome by a decisive move.
 
A small correction, with a side of crow pie, the absence of further significant moves east of sumy proper make me doubt that the consolidation of the line is a prelude to an encirclement of sumy, wishful thinking when a move, that then proved minor, pointed for an encirclement. Should have waited for confirmation with a drive south from western kursk.
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 28 2025 19:36 utc | 40

From Reuters
 

Below are the points of the draft proposal as unveiled by Zelenskiy and shared by his office this week.
1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be reaffirmed.
2. This point will envisage a full and unquestionable non-aggression agreement between Russia and Ukraine. It specifies that to sustain long-term peace, a monitoring mechanism will be established to oversee the line of contact through space-based unmanned monitoring, to ensure early notification of violations, and to resolve conflicts.

3. Ukraine will receive robust security guarantees.
4. Ukraine will maintain its armed forces at their present strength of 800,000 personnel. The earlier U.S. draft had called for Ukraine to reduce the size of its forces.
5. The United States, NATO, and European countries will provide Ukraine with security guarantees that mirror Article 5, the mutual-defence clause of NATO’s founding treaty.
6. Russia will formalise a policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine in all necessary laws and all required documents on ratification, including ratification by an overwhelming majority vote in the State Duma.
7. Ukraine will become an EU member at a specifically defined date. Ukraine will also receive short-term preferential access to the European market.
8. Ukraine will receive a strong global development package, which will be defined in a separate agreement on investment and future prosperity.

9. Several funds will be established to address economic recovery, the reconstruction of damaged areas and regions, and humanitarian issues. The objective will be to mobilize $800 billion to help Ukraine fully realize its potential.
10. Ukraine will accelerate the process of concluding a free-trade agreement with the United States. Zelenskiy said the U.S. position was that if Washington were to grant free trade access to Ukraine, it aimed to offer similar terms to Russia.
11. Ukraine will confirm that it will remain a non-nuclear state, in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
12. The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. Zelenskiy said no agreement had yet been reached with the United States on the issue of Europe’s biggest nuclear power plant, which is located near the front line in territory now controlled by Russian forces. Zelenskiy said the U.S. proposal was for the plant to be operated jointly by Ukraine, the United States, and Russia, each holding equal stakes in a joint enterprise, with the Americans acting as the chief managers. Kyiv’s proposal was for the plant to be operated by a 50-50 joint enterprise involving only the United States and Ukraine, with Ukraine receiving half of the energy produced and the United States independently allocating the other half.

13. Ukraine and Russia commit to implementing educational programmes in schools and across society that promote understanding and tolerance toward different cultures and eliminate racism and prejudice. Ukraine will implement European Union rules on religious tolerance and the protection of minority languages.
14. Territory: Zelenskiy said that this was the most complex point, and as yet unresolved. Russia wants Ukraine to withdraw troops from territory Ukraine still controls in the eastern Donetsk region. Kyiv wants fighting to be halted at current battle lines. Washington has proposed demilitarised zones and a free economic zone in the part of the Donetsk region that Kyiv controls.
 
15. After reaching an agreement on future territorial arrangements, both Russia and Ukraine undertake not to alter these agreements by force.
16. Russia will not obstruct Ukraine from using the Dnipro River and the Black Sea for commercial purposes. A separate maritime agreement and an access agreement will be concluded, covering freedom of navigation and transport. The Kinburn Spit, along the Dnipro’s outlet to the sea, will be demilitarized.
17. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:
a. All remaining prisoners of war will be exchanged on the principle of All for All.
b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.
c. Provisions will be made to address the suffering of victims from the conflict.
18. Ukraine must hold elections as soon as possible after the signing of the agreement.
19. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by a Peace Council, chaired by President Trump. Ukraine, Europe, NATO, Russia, and the United States will be part of this mechanism. Sanctions will apply in case of violations.
20. Once all parties agree to this agreement, a full ceasefire will take effect immediately.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28 2025 19:53 utc | 42

Below are the points of the draft proposal as unveiled by Zelenskiy and shared by his office this week.1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be reaffirmed.2. This point will envisage a full and unquestionable non-aggression agreement between Russia and Ukraine. It specifies that to sustain long-term peace, a monitoring mechanism will be established to oversee the line of contac

 
Next.
 

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 28 2025 20:00 utc | 44

Military Situation In Ukraine On December 28, 2025 (Maps Update)
 
https://southfront.press/military-situation-in-ukraine-on-december-28-2025-maps-update/
 

• Russian strikes destroyed targets in the Kyiv, Khmelnytskyi, Zhytomyr, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Kirovohrad, Chernihiv, Sumy, Odesa, Poltava, Zaporizhzhia regions;
• The Russian army struck infrastructure and energy facilities in Kiev city and its outskirts;
• The Russian army struck a ferry that was allegedly used to deliver military equipment in Vylkove, Odesa region;
• The Russian army struck AFU infrastructure in Poltava;
• The Russian army struck AFU infrastructure in Zhytomyr;
• The Russian offensive continues in the Seversk, Pokrovsk, Kupyansk, Dnipropetrovsk, and Zaporizhzhia directions;
• Russian forces took control of Artemovka village;
• Russian forces took control of Guliaipole town;
• Russian forces advanced in the Stepnogorsk direction;
• Russian forces took control of Dimitrov and Rodinskoye;
• Ukrainian losses amounted to approximately 1,240 troops over the past 24 hours.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 20:09 utc | 46

I am amazed at the total disconnect still inherent in much of the proposal.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28 2025 20:04 utc | 45
 
Its detachment from reality is jaw-dropping, if matters weren’t so serious it could almost be seen as comical.
 
If Team Trump have truly been having serious conversations with the Russian negotiators, then they should surely be aware that none of Zelly’s nonsense stands a chance, so what was the point of the ‘summit’ in the first place?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 28 2025 20:29 utc | 48

The 20 point proposal is well connected to the reality for Zelensky :  In order to save to save his life and his stolen millions, he had better to to keep Ukrain at war.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Dec 28 2025 20:33 utc | 50

silver hammer on markets expected?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28 2025 20:04 utc | 45
 
 I know very little about candle stick charting but a hammer is a reversal signal at the end of a down trend. 
 

Posted by: arby | Dec 28 2025 20:42 utc | 52

*** Its detachment from reality is jaw-dropping, if matters weren’t so serious it could almost be seen as comical. ***
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 28 2025 20:29 utc | 48
 
Just the reaction the narrative was setting up –  “I can’t seem to face up to the facts” Psycho Killer. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 28 2025 20:46 utc | 54

arby | Dec 28 2025 20:42 utc | 52
Crash down when such a bubble requires a double top

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 20:51 utc | 56

……
20. Once all parties agree to this agreement, a full ceasefire will take effect immediately.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28 2025 19:53 utc | 42
 
Computer says no…
 
On a different point, fresh marat, yet no comment on kupiansk, should mean a lot of grey and plenty of back and forth (levels beyond those mentioned for the Dobropole Salient…)
 
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-december-28th
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 28 2025 20:55 utc | 58

As follow on to
”
*** Its detachment from reality is jaw-dropping, if matters weren’t so serious it could almost be seen as comical. ***Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 28 2025 20:29 utc | 48 Just the reaction the narrative was setting up –  “I can’t seem to face up to the facts” Psycho Killer. 
Posted by: frithguild | Dec 28 2025 20:46 utc | 54
”
 
What is so Hollywood to me about the document is its lack of recognition of the global nature of the conflict and need for global resolution….continuing to couch this as a proxy conflict is not rational and Russia will not accept it being portrayed as such..
 
Where are the EU/UK and US negotiating points that Russia sees as necessary to a comprehensive settlement?
 
What does a MAD contextualized Ukraine surrender look like?
We are about to birth that baby and will see what it looks like…..how long will the labor be?
Are we not seeing the contractions starting?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28 2025 20:57 utc | 60

Where are the EU/UK and US negotiating points that Russia sees as necessary to a comprehensive settlement?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28 2025 20:57 utc | 60
 
The trouble is the West does not have unified agreement on what it’s negotiating position with Russia should be, which is why we see these constant rounds of meetings and summits, as the West continues to try and negotiate with itself.
 
It’s quite easy to identify at least 5 different factions on the Western side (other barflies may be able to identify more) that have conflicting, irreconcilable agendas:

1. The Zelensky faction
2. The EU faction
3. The British faction
4. The Trump faction
5. The Deep State faction (which has Venn diagram intersections across all the other factions)

So, ‘negotiations’ among themselves will continue, while the SMO grinds on, bringing Russia’s stated goals ever-closer to fruition.
 
As for Ukrainian surrender, it might happen, but not without severe, possibly terminal upheaval within Ukraine itself.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 28 2025 21:45 utc | 62

Father charged after allegedly displaying Nazi tattoos | 9 News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i02syFdmsbM
He has a tattoo on his calf. He is a Bad Nasty Man.
But what if he’s Ukrainian?
Then he’s a Good Guy, isn’t he?
His defence should be  “slava ukraini”. Then the media would be flummoxed.
Nazi symbols are national status symbols in Ukraine.
And Australia supports Ukraine.
So.. some nazi tatts are Ok. … aren’t they? 
 
 
Have I got all  the contradictions correct?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 28 2025 21:54 utc | 64

Thus far. …

CBC
Territory remains sticking point as Zelenskyy, Trump discuss how to end Russia-Ukraine war
3 hours ago
Politico
Trump to POLITICO: Zelenskyy ‘doesn’t have anything until I approve it’
2 days ago
 …
Al Jazeera
US President Trump says Russia-Ukraine truce talks in ‘final stages’
1 hour ago
The Washington Post
Trump meets Zelensky at Mar-a-Lago between Putin calls
2 hours ago

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 28 2025 21:59 utc | 66

‘US-Ukraine security guarantees 100% AGREED’
Zelensky gets ahead of himself — right before Trump says nothing is 100% yet

https://t.me/rtnews/127612
 
 

TRUMP TO ZELENSKY: Enjoyed the food?
‘Your people enjoyed the food… BIG, STRONG PEOPLE’
‘Your general over there looks like central casting’
Classic Trump

https://t.me/rtnews/127613
 
 

🇺🇸🇺🇦 Zelensky spoke about referendums and elections, while Trump said the territorial issue remains unresolved and suggested that Zelensky reach a deal, warning that otherwise Ukraine could lose more land in the coming months.
Otherwise it’s all a big nothing burger…

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/168420
 
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 28 2025 22:04 utc | 68

Dear oh dear! Listening to the press conference on the BBC right now, and with a nod to earlier references to Talking Heads Psycho Killer, it seems to me that Road To Nowhere would fit appropriately…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 28 2025 22:10 utc | 70

This meeting Lago was a complete waste of time and space.
The Volo proposal (really the Brit proposal) is a non starter.
The RF and VVP will never accept those terms.
Article 5 protections for the Nazi Regime in Kieve…….yea ok LOL with that.
A ceasefire is nowhere near…….on to Odessa!

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 28 2025 22:13 utc | 72

🇺🇸🇺🇦 Trump says he understands that Putin isn’t interested in a “ceasfire.”

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/168424
 

🇺🇸🇺🇦 The press conference is over. Nothing important was said.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/168425

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 28 2025 22:15 utc | 74

Russia is trying to shut down the Kovel-Kiev railway to disrupt travel between Ukraine and Poland, according to drone expert Flash.
Two days ago, Geraniums attacked a train, then a repair crew; the day before yesterday, a railway bridge; and last night, a locomotive depot.
@ukr_leaks_eng
 
Hmmm..press session…just caught latter half ….z body language????
 
Sky says A lot of progress is being stated by bloke says things are much the same as yesterday……two main issues still not resolved…. security guarantees 100%agreed USA- Ukraine but less agreement between  EU and USA/Ukraine???? , 
and territory…
 
 
Z and DT to reporters …….a working group ( I missed which- what for, membership??? DT seemed to want  all his top table)for a few weeks resulting in 6 documents…Zaphorizia nuke plant…..it(negotiations) could still go poorly…
 
DT talking that relationships Russia good because Russia hoax confirmed preventing USA Russia relations.
 
EU leaders still in the frame perhaps because they have supported Ukraine.Working together with them….very much involved.
Closer than ever before with both parties.
USA going to work with Europe because they are a big part of this. Russia to help reconstruction eg cheap energy prices. Not a ceasefire option DT understands that from Putin. Will be solved. If nothing happens SMO continues.
 
 
 
Ukrainian Nazi Koshulinsky believes that Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine should be denied education and employment, or else prosecuted.
@ukr_leaks_eng
 

Posted by: Jo | Dec 28 2025 22:23 utc | 76

Posted by: Hamburger | Dec 28 2025 16:24 utc | 12
 
Seeing Euro media go full russophobe was likely the bigger reason putin decided to intervene in the Ukrainian civil war, than any troop formations or tank columns in the donbass.
 
Western strategists are likely so stupid they still dont understand how he knew they were about to invade the Donbass.

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 28 2025 22:47 utc | 78

Will Moon – probably the Royal Artillery 

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 28 2025 22:54 utc | 80

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 28 2025 18:46 utc | 29
 
…and, while NATO et al struggle to produce enough weaponry to simply defend themselves from Russia, Russia will have a TON of cheap, surplus weapons for sale.   Iran, North Korea, BRICS, Turkey? African states, etc.
 
Russia might not even wind down production to pre-war levels, but become the worlds number two economy from weapon sales.
 
Bombing nations into democracy will get a bit harder for the west.

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 28 2025 23:00 utc | 82

There is no way this war is ending anytime soon – certainly not until there’s new leadership in Europe – and that ain’t happening until mid-2027 at the earliest.
 
A new French President could (potentially) overturn the table and result in the end of the careers of the likes of Von der Leyen & Kallas – and perhaps even Stammer & Merzenary.
 
 Macron wants Von der Leyen’s job and he’ll do what he has to to get it – and that could well include a proper peace agreement with Russia.
 
I believe this is a positive view of what could happen, but it does entail another 18 months of grind in Ukraine – there is nothing that I see that suggests this war will end anytime soon, and certainly not in 2026.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 28 2025 23:06 utc | 84

Posted by: Julian | Dec 28 2025 23:06 utc | 84
 
I’d say it’ll be over around late fall of 2029. 
 
Lots of bridge and power plant bombing in odessa lately, and zaprozhia is looking pretty close.
 
Zapfhozia by winter 2027, Odessa by spring 2029.

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 28 2025 23:22 utc | 86

Did notice the Green(back) Goblin of Keeeeeeve seemed despondent and diminished standing beside Trump at Mar-a-Largo.
Putin meanwhile has chosen military gear as his costume for the finale of 2025.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 28 2025 23:48 utc | 88

Well, much as it pains me to say itThe NY Times has decent assessment of the results of the meetinghttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/24/world/europe/what-is-in-the-20-point-ukraine-peace-plan.html

Posted by: jared | Dec 28 2025 23:59 utc | 90

So the Rada will vote on whether to have a referendum to give up territory or surrender. First they decide who can vote, do they include those who ran away? And what about those voters in Russia. And will it be an online vote? Or postal? Maybe they know by summer
 
 
Trump may go talk to the Rada. Or maybe not.
Zelinsky may attend the Parliament on that day if Trump comes.
If Trump goes do they all go, Macon would, Starmer and Carney too
 EU will not miss it.
 
Business as usual. 100% agreed as Zelinsky and Trump say.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 29 2025 0:07 utc | 92

“Nothing happened.” (Joseph Heller) 

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 29 2025 0:10 utc | 94

with a nod to earlier references to Talking Heads Psycho Killer, it seems to me that Road To Nowhere would fit appropriately…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 28 2025 22:10 utc | 70
 
100% correct. Nothing has emerged from this but canned responses. I keep hoping for substantive changes but Trump is far too much of an amatuer to acomplish anything. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 29 2025 0:16 utc | 96

Thanks everyone for paying attention to this war/our world.
Some here Maybe of interest:
The Future no longer belongs to those who Command, but to those who Collaborate. -John MearsheimerWar is a way of shattering to pieces…materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, & therefore, in the long run, too intelligent…They fear love because it creates a world they can’t control. –George Orwell, 1984
If We Avoid Nuclear War, Global Cooperation & Technology Will Free Humanity from Needless Work, Hopelessly Corrupt politicians, Endless Wars & Big lies. We’ll All Have Much Leisure +Less Tension & Fear. We’ll Reach our Full Potentials & Live Happier, Healthier, Longer Lives. -Benjamin Crem
It should be noted that  Hitler’s regime also felt they were above the law. And that  there are many good reasons for the view that Western Warmongers are fueled by the same powerful sinister/deceptive/violent energies that fueled Hitler, whose team was adept at the dark arts of Mass Deception.
According to esoteric teachings the global conflicts taking place at this time constitute  a war between the forces of extreme materiality – who could not care less the rule of law,  or  what a moral compass is; and their opposites – the adults who are working for a more just world. Our victory is inevitable, but it will be a huge challenge for everyone who gets involved. 

FinallyBelieve it or not:   There Is a Plan for Humanity & Nothing Can Thwart the Plan.  Global Cooperation + Justice + Rule Of Law + World Peace + End of All Poverty & War The Timing Is Up to All Who Care Enough to Act.
Ref: Alice Bailey & Benjamin CremePeace On Earth Goodwill To ALL

Posted by: Toby C | Dec 29 2025 0:23 utc | 98

The US has indirectly killed tens of thousands of Russians yet Putin still wishes Trump a merry xmas and sends congratulations messages, whilst US weapons and US satellites help kill Russians abit sickening if you are a frontline Russian Soldier.
 
We all thought Putin was playing 4d chess but infact it’s the Americans who are.
 
Alot of these points are parroted by Russians on telegram .

Posted by: Sandgrowun | Dec 29 2025 0:50 utc | 100