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December 25, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-297
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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A story in ZH . Posted by: Bingo | Dec 25 2025 11:26 utc | 1
ISIS terrorists or some other group controlled my MI6?? Very likely in my opinion if the NATO/EU wing nuts really want a war wit the RF. Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 25 2025 11:37 utc | 2 Vance says the threat is from the rise of Islamic politics in the EU. Posted by: Bingo | Dec 25 2025 11:38 utc | 3 Weill it is important for Vance to pretend ISIS are the bad guys. Don’t want anyone looking too closely and noticing ISIS are America’s terrorists. Also nice of Vance(and Trump) to pretend to be looking out for the little guy and protecting free speech. Just more projection, to sucker people again. Posted by: EoinW | Dec 25 2025 12:11 utc | 4 Less Xmas for AFU’s 1.445 that failed to see it. Posted by: Newbie | Dec 25 2025 12:27 utc | 5 Two days ago the National Security Archive has published declassified notes of the last meeting between Bush Jr. and Putin, on April 6, 2008, two days after the conclusion of the Budapest Summit. Here’s the part on Ukraine:
Posted by: S | Dec 25 2025 13:24 utc | 6 Bingo // 3 Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 25 2025 13:28 utc | 8 Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has requested a two-month ceasefire in the Ukraine conflict in order to hold a referendum on a potential agreement to end the fighting, the Dzerkalo Tyzhnia daily reported on Wednesday. Posted by: Red Star | Dec 25 2025 13:56 utc | 9 Nobody Special @ 8 Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 25 2025 14:03 utc | 10 S@6…….
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 25 2025 14:33 utc | 11 Good article by Sachs. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 25 2025 15:16 utc | 12 Posted by: Newbie | Dec 25 2025 12:27 utc | 5 “Less Xmas for AFU’s 1.445 that failed to see it.” Posted by: ed4 | Dec 25 2025 15:18 utc | 13
Posted by: ed4 | Dec 25 2025 15:22 utc | 14 Republicofscotland@12…….two hundred years……I take back my 30 years @11….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 25 2025 15:31 utc | 15 Vance and others give speeches about what scares them. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 25 2025 15:35 utc | 16 Today many Western MSM outlets are using the re-opening of the Mariupol theatre as an excuse to repeat the BS story of Russia bombing it in March 2022. Just one more example of their tactic of “keep repeating the lie until it becomes the truth”. Posted by: Mark Mosby | Dec 25 2025 15:37 utc | 17 Posted by: ed4 | Dec 25 2025 15:18 utc | 13 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 25 2025 15:37 utc | 18 Kids, it’s not real. Nobody Special | Dec 25 2025 13:28 utc | 8 Posted by: Markw | Dec 25 2025 15:46 utc | 19
Posted by: persiflo | Dec 25 2025 15:55 utc | 20 Regarding Vance. Posted by: Bingo | Dec 25 2025 16:14 utc | 21 Jeffery Sachs: Two Centuries of Russophobia & Rejection of Peace – Consortium News Posted by: bassplayer | Dec 25 2025 16:22 utc | 22
Putin is saying that before the question of accession to NATO is even discussed, a majority of Ukrainians must be for NATO (which was not the case at the time). Posted by: S | Dec 25 2025 16:38 utc | 23 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 25 2025 15:37 utc | 18 “Belief is not necessary. Just look at the map.” Posted by: ed4 | Dec 25 2025 16:42 utc | 24 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 25 2025 14:33 utc | 11 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 25 2025 16:47 utc | 25 Posted by: Markw | Dec 25 2025 15:46 utc | 19 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 25 2025 16:56 utc | 26 Merry Christmas.. to all.. Posted by: snake | Dec 25 2025 16:58 utc | 27 Posted by: ed4 | Dec 25 2025 16:42 utc | 24 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 25 2025 16:59 utc | 28 New link … managed correct spelling of first name 😊 Kupiansk changes owner again, ukrops recovered close to 90% of the city. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 25 2025 17:03 utc | 30 Perhaps they want EU in war with Russia but without nukes. That would last for a long time. And world puppeteers would be very happy. Posted by: Grey Cloud | Dec 25 2025 17:03 utc | 31 LOL, and they are smoking weird stuff again: Posted by: Zet | Dec 25 2025 17:05 utc | 32
Posted by: ed4 | Dec 25 2025 15:22 utc | 14 Posted by: frithguild | Dec 25 2025 17:07 utc | 33 Pokrovsk is yielding lots of basements with terminated ukrops. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 25 2025 17:14 utc | 34 What’s new 🔥 In response to ed4@14, Posted by: Skiffer | Dec 25 2025 17:35 utc | 36 Ooops! Rich ukrops lost their luxury dachas in the Vilcha village in the area of Volchansk, Kharkov region. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 25 2025 17:38 utc | 37 One year ago …
The work of members of the Maxim Krivonos detachment, formed by former ukrop prisoners that recognized their true racial constitution and turned into Russian warriors. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 25 2025 17:57 utc | 40 Newbie | Dec 25 2025 12:27 utc | 5 Posted by: smartfox | Dec 25 2025 17:57 utc | 41 Merry Christmas to all barflies! Posted by: GW | Dec 25 2025 18:00 utc | 42 I think some of the commenters miss the mark on what it means to work for someone else, let alone the US President. Especially when the majority of his party’s prominent legal scholars embrace the unitary executive theory. Of course these individuals follow what the President orders them to do: not doing so is pretty much deep state 101. Posted by: 202Analysis | Dec 25 2025 18:06 utc | 43 Algeria is one of the few countries outside the west’s iron grip; EU makes a big noise about funding Ukraine based on future Russian reparations and Algeria sues France for some seriously consequential reparations. Reap what you sow.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 25 2025 18:19 utc | 44 hmm Kuypiansk Posted by: Jo | Dec 25 2025 18:22 utc | 45 Posted by: 202Analysis | Dec 25 2025 18:06 utc | 43 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 25 2025 18:26 utc | 46 LoveDonbass | Dec 25 2025 18:26 utc | 45 Posted by: smartfox | Dec 25 2025 18:33 utc | 47 🇺🇦Ukraine doesn’t have the money to hold elections, so “it’s not Ukraine’s responsibility to fund them” – Zelensky’s advisor Posted by: Jo | Dec 25 2025 19:28 utc | 48 A change of the world security order, Pacific region. Posted by: Bingo | Dec 25 2025 20:15 utc | 49 Russians captured the intact command post for the Gulyaypole defensive units: Lord Bebo on X: “🇺🇦🇷🇺 Ukrainian army is freaking out that during the Russian offensive in Gulyaypole, Russians captured almost an entirely intact command post. They didn’t even destroy the valuable data and equipment. https://t.co/krEfIimPeO” / X Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 25 2025 20:34 utc | 51 The Duran: ‘Conflict with Three Powers’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 25 2025 20:36 utc | 52 Posted by: Exile | Dec 25 2025 20:27 utc | 50 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 25 2025 20:37 utc | 53 Posted by: smartfox | Dec 25 2025 18:33 utc | 46 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 25 2025 20:45 utc | 54 Oil shortages in the Ukraines in the last month are partially compensated by increased purchases of oil from India, which got it from Russia. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 25 2025 20:57 utc | 55
Lol! I’ve just predicted in the Xmas thread that Greenland is going to be in the news next year because America wants annexation of the 51st State. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 25 2025 21:04 utc | 56 @51 Posted by: GW | Dec 25 2025 21:31 utc | 57 🇩🇪🏴☠️🇩🇪⚡️🇷🇺 The German government is planning record debts againIn 2026, Merz and the government want to borrow up to 512 billion euros in the financial market. Everything to finance infrastructure costs for NATO and preparations for war with Russia. Given the speed at which Germany is being driven into debt by hundreds of billions of euros to continue the proxy war against Russia, there are clearly no plans to repay the debts.Apparently, Germany will be something like a “kamikaze country” to preserve the Anglo-Saxons. Posted by: Jo | Dec 25 2025 21:41 utc | 58 Santa’s sleigh crashed in Turkey. Libya’s head of defense was on board…..opps! Too much eggnog … Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 25 2025 22:00 utc | 59 Kupiansk back in Ukro hands it seems Posted by: Simon | Dec 25 2025 22:08 utc | 60 Exile@50……care to explain the dead Russian solders? What about the War Crimes committed by Ukrainians against Russians? That’s not civil. Noting civil either about the 2+ million dead and wounded on both sides…….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 25 2025 22:08 utc | 61 Simon@60…….because the Ukrainians have figured out how to get the chips from the missfiring Russian washing machines…….as the Oracle of Dima says, ‘give it a few days’……it’ll change, unless its in the Compromise……… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 25 2025 22:11 utc | 62 “Microcracks along the front line are starting to crumble,” said Ukrainian volunteer medic Druzenko.@ukr_leaks_enge Posted by: Jo | Dec 25 2025 22:11 utc | 63 Zelensky stated that Ukraine’s total losses due to the war amount to $800 billion.According to him, the draft basic document for ending the war envisages the creation of several funds for restoring the Ukrainian economy, reconstructing damaged areas and regions, and addressing humanitarian issues.@ukr_leaks_eng Posted by: Jo | Dec 25 2025 22:20 utc | 64 Zelensky stated that Ukraine’s total losses due to the war amount to $800 billion.According to him, the draft basic document for ending the war envisages the creation of several funds for restoring the Ukrainian economy, reconstructing damaged areas and regions, and addressing humanitarian issues.@ukr_leaks_eng Posted by: Jo | Dec 25 2025 22:22 utc | 65 Simon Hunt interview. A lot of mayhem coming up in 2026, including:-potential EU false flag in attempt to drag US into the war-potential CIA black ops assassination on Trump Posted by: unimperator | Dec 25 2025 22:23 utc | 66 But I’ve noticed that MSM’s accusation of Russia’s “unprovoked” invasion of Ukraine was replaced about a year(?) ago by the term “full-scale”. It’s still BS because I’m quite sure that Russia’s current military operation in Ukraine is very far from “full-scale”. Posted by: Mark Mosby | Dec 25 2025 15:37 utc | 17 Posted by: Cheney | Dec 25 2025 22:23 utc | 67 @38 Posted by: GW | Dec 25 2025 23:23 utc | 68 @61 Posted by: GW | Dec 25 2025 23:31 utc | 69 Kupiansk back in Ukro hands it seems Posted by: Night Tripper | Dec 25 2025 17:45 utc | 38 Why was Russia unable to defend this city? Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Dec 26 2025 0:00 utc | 70 A lesson from the School of Hard Knocks: a US army officer in Europe during WWII said he learned the hard way that whenever his attack was going well, he was probably walking into a trap. Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Dec 26 2025 0:04 utc | 72 ooops double post apologies.
@ukr_leaks_eng Posted by: Jo | Dec 26 2025 0:06 utc | 73 🇩🇪🇺🇦🇷🇺A blow in the back! Posted by: Jo | Dec 26 2025 0:19 utc | 74 Just listened to Weeb Union about the Kupiansk battle. Here are my thoughts. Posted by: Woke American | Dec 26 2025 0:21 utc | 75 Cyberspec news posted about 8 hours ago about Kupyansk/Kupiansk.
I don’t know if it’s credible. Those places seem to be about 2-4 miles West of the center of the city Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Dec 26 2025 0:32 utc | 76
Welp, I’m waiting for karlof1’s take on this on his substack. karlof1 saved the day once:
Depending on the contents of the discussion, will karlof1 need to save the day again? Posted by: joey_n | Dec 26 2025 0:32 utc | 77 Then, under the YouTube video there are some comments (if you scroll down deep enough) who claim that Karaganov has no actual power to influence or advise any longer. Is this true? Posted by: joey_n | Dec 26 2025 0:36 utc | 78 joey_n | Dec 26 2025 0:32 utc | 77 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 26 2025 1:04 utc | 79 @bingo 3 Posted by: sam | Dec 26 2025 1:07 utc | 80 re: Bingo | Dec 25 2025 20:15 utc | 49 Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 26 2025 1:39 utc | 81
Posted by: Poslan1 | Dec 26 2025 1:51 utc | 82 Very interesting new release of archival materials, followed by commentary by dissident Ukrainian politician Sharii: Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 26 2025 2:25 utc | 83 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 26 2025 1:04 utc | 79 Posted by: joey_n | Dec 26 2025 2:33 utc | 84 OK, asking for some input here: Posted by: George the Zeroth | Dec 26 2025 2:41 utc | 85 Hmm; I first saw this video last night, when the comments were from gullible viewers who thought this was real. Posted by: George the Zeroth | Dec 26 2025 2:48 utc | 86 Further to #83: Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 26 2025 2:58 utc | 87 [1] Governance is not work. It is a calling. It is a responsibility. It is not a “job” any more than raising one’s own children is a job. [2] In China, the CPC is composed of everyday citizens who went to participate in helping the nation. [1] In the West, a “leader” is a powerful person socially. In the East, it brings intense scrutiny and Posted by: George the Zeroth | Dec 26 2025 3:08 utc | 88 Goddamnit; when are we going to get the fucking preview back??? Aaaaargh. Posted by: George the Zeroth | Dec 26 2025 3:10 utc | 89 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 25 2025 15:35 utc | 16 Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 26 2025 4:08 utc | 90 I am a little worried. I understand Russia is willing to compromise and wouldn’t budge on security and core issues. Posted by: Suresh | Dec 26 2025 4:27 utc | 91 Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 26 2025 4:08 utc | 91 Posted by: speculator | Dec 26 2025 4:27 utc | 92 @90 Posted by: GW | Dec 26 2025 4:54 utc | 93 Kupiansk is looking much like a death trap for Ukrainian troops … if they want to hold out there … they are exposed to artillery from three sides, they will no doubt be hit by glide bombs, missiles, drones and unlike Chavis Yar, the terrain offers no particular advantage to the defender. Posted by: Tel | Dec 26 2025 5:11 utc | 94 @60 Simon Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 26 2025 5:17 utc | 95 I’d venture that Vance has more influence on this world than you do, no? Posted by: acementhead | Dec 26 2025 5:30 utc | 96 Neofeudalfuture | Dec 26 2025 5:17 utc | 98
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 26 2025 5:33 utc | 97 @100 Laurence Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 26 2025 6:07 utc | 98 I also like the feedback, sometimes lol. Posted by: acementhead | Dec 26 2025 6:20 utc | 99 Neofeudalfuture | Dec 26 2025 6:07 utc | 101
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 26 2025 6:39 utc | 100 |
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