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December 21, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-294
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Mr.Putin has been very patient and consistent with his statements. Professor John Mearsheimer reported that message through other chanel’s to NATO was sent about Inevitability of Nuclear War if things continue to escalate. After that Macron said that Europe needs to talk directly to Russia…. Posted by: Lancelot | Dec 22 2025 8:17 utc | 101 For once, I’d like to see a Nazi fanboy explain how and by which mechanism Russia is moving too slowly. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2025 8:19 utc | 102
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 22 2025 8:21 utc | 103 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 22 2025 8:21 utc | 103 Posted by: scc | Dec 22 2025 8:36 utc | 104
You have a good overall appraisal of the situation with the SMO. The fundamental reason, as often remarked by attentive observers, is evident: “demilitarization and denazification” requires killing millions of men and destroying hundred of billions of equipment and these goals have higher priority over territorial annexation. Add in the poor demography of the Russians, which severely constrains capacity to spend Russian soldiers lives, and you get what you see. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 22 2025 8:38 utc | 105
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 22 2025 8:41 utc | 106
Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 22 2025 8:47 utc | 107 Re: Posted by: Lancelot | Dec 22 2025 8:17 utc | 101
Posted by: Julian | Dec 22 2025 9:09 utc | 108
Macron is an opportunist. If he wants to talk, Moscow will hear him – Putin always said that dialog is always open for those who wish to talk. Waste of time? So be it.
Bullshit. Timing matters here. EU learning to effectively having to foot the Ukraine’s bill on its own and failing to rob the Russian assets at Euroclear last Friday made Macron change his mind. Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 22 2025 10:02 utc | 109 The Russian media wrote at the freezing time that the frozen money was in large part from past Eu payments for energy and other trade, for many years. Posted by: rk | Dec 22 2025 10:08 utc | 110 Guess Kuzovlev was handled in a very Russian way. Posted by: Sh0tek | Dec 22 2025 10:14 utc | 111 We see Ukraine is executing terrorist attacks in Russia. I think this is going to be a modus operandi of the collective west and Ukraine in the next years. For Ukrainians these terror attack would be a satisfactory alternative to holding a territory. Posted by: Simon | Dec 22 2025 10:34 utc | 112 Speaking of terrorism #112:
Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 22 2025 10:53 utc | 113 Posted by: Julian | Dec 22 2025 9:09 utc | 108 Posted by: scc | Dec 22 2025 11:11 utc | 114 Johan Kaspar | Dec 22 2025 8:38 utc | 105 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 22 2025 11:20 utc | 115 If Putin had chosen not to take the SMO path, and instead chosen to not confront NATO, where would we all be now. Posted by: Bingo | Dec 22 2025 11:27 utc | 116
Well, yes of course. Demilitarize is the elimination of all capacities to have a military. The Ukraines cannot be trusted to become a Costa Rica (a nation with no standing military) so necessarily all men of military age have to either (a) be processed into dead meat or invalids, (b) expelled from the conquered land, or (c) transformed into Russians. The female part of the population may remain to pop Russian babies and the old may remain of course and live the peaceful life of a pensioner. I thought this was pretty much self-evident. Demilitarization is even harsher than what it was done to the Germans and the Japanese as they were allowed to have a small military force for defensive purposes.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 22 2025 11:53 utc | 117 What happened to the Ukraine corruption scandal? Posted by: Savonarole | Dec 22 2025 12:13 utc | 119 What happened to the Ukraine corruption scandal? 118Posted by: Fredrick | Dec 22 2025 12:04 utc | Posted by: Kadath | Dec 22 2025 12:23 utc | 120 Anyone know what happened to the Russian General that got blowed up in his car……jealous lover perhaps? That’ll happen when you date a Britkrainians. Worst partners, but always partners for life, or how ever long that lasts….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 22 2025 13:34 utc | 121 LD, nazi fanboys are trolls, performing for fun or profit. You on the other hand seem to suffer from a particular form of OCD. Posted by: Markw | Dec 22 2025 15:23 utc | 122 *** Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard responded to a report from Reuters alleging that “Putin has not abandoned his aims of capturing all of Ukraine and reclaiming parts of Europe that belonged to the former Soviet empire”. Tulsi condemned that as a “lie” to undermine Trump’s peace efforts and thus risk a possible hot Russian-US war. She also claimed that “Russia’s battlefield performance indicates it does not currently have the capability to conquer and occupy all of Ukraine, let alone Europe.” *** Posted by: frithguild | Dec 22 2025 15:26 utc | 123
Ukies usrd to shell the Donetsk civilians and then joke about blasts bing caused by some exploding AC units. So, there is nothing new in the local British plant’s skit. Posted by: Poslan1 | Dec 22 2025 15:29 utc | 124 Worth a read Posted by: jpc | Dec 22 2025 15:38 utc | 125 Like the old adage says, all wars are bankers’ wars, because all conflicts are a contest over who controls natural resources which forms the basis of the (sovereign) debt money system. Posted by: too scents | Dec 22 2025 15:40 utc | 126 While you are right about the irrelevance of Macron, accepting direct talks with him is another way to put a wedge between the Eurocuck clowns. Posted by: rk | Dec 22 2025 15:45 utc | 127 No coffee in Crimea for Podolyak
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/167966 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 22 2025 15:46 utc | 128 OT: Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 22 2025 15:46 utc | 129 https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/our-modern-spectacle Posted by: frithguild | Dec 22 2025 15:51 utc | 130 No doubt some sort of Russian retribution – via air strikes will be on the cards. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 22 2025 16:09 utc | 131 Looks spooky to me, like a giant spider has spun a huge web. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 22 2025 16:11 utc | 132 @General Factotum | Dec 22 2025 0:28 utc, who said:
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Dec 22 2025 16:12 utc | 133 Posted by: Markw | Dec 22 2025 15:23 utc | 122 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2025 16:14 utc | 134 Pepe Escobar is scathing in his op/ed today:
The imperative corollary: funds for health services, education and social rights will go even more down the drain than at present. Posted by: too scents | Dec 22 2025 16:45 utc | 136 The Russians and the Chinese – will be watching this war mongering mutt and saying to themselves your mouths writing cheques your body can’t cash. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 22 2025 17:02 utc | 137 I want to finish about my thinking. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2025 17:06 utc | 138 The EU bigwigs are risking everything in a gamble to help defeat Russia – and not once has any EU citizens be consulted about their plan – the EU must be disbanded. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 22 2025 17:19 utc | 139 too scents | Dec 22 2025 16:45 utc | 136— Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 22 2025 17:02 utc | 137 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 22 2025 17:30 utc | 141 Posted by: Apollyon | Dec 22 2025 15:46 utc | 129 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 22 2025 17:32 utc | 142 the reality is whatever remains of Ukraine will be a pauper for decades Posted by: too scents | Dec 22 2025 17:36 utc | 143 rk@127……not sure of the validity, but I was just reading that Turkey was returning the Russian S400s so it can finally participate in the NATO F35 program. Writing on the wall if true. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 22 2025 18:32 utc | 144 Posted by: | Dec 22 2025 4:40 utc | 89 Posted by: lovedumbass | Dec 22 2025 18:47 utc | 145 DT making a big speech tonight…with head of navy???????? Posted by: Jo | Dec 22 2025 19:09 utc | 146 sean the leprechaun | Dec 22 2025 13:34 utc | 121 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 22 2025 19:44 utc | 147 Alexander Mercouris: ‘Dangerous Game’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 22 2025 20:22 utc | 148 Posted by: lovedumbass | Dec 22 2025 18:47 utc | 145 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 22 2025 20:27 utc | 149 DW: John Helmer Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 22 2025 20:28 utc | 150
Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 22 2025 20:29 utc | 151 @Nervous German | Dec 22 2025 20:29 utc | 151 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 22 2025 20:35 utc | 152 @Norwegian | Dec 22 2025 20:35 utc | 152 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 22 2025 20:36 utc | 153 Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 22 2025 20:22 utc | 148 Posted by: scc | Dec 22 2025 20:41 utc | 154
Russia and China are very quiet about Venezuela, even before Trump put it on his public agenda. We have absolutely no idea what they’re doing, since reporting is scarce. But yes, “European” and “intelligence” in the same sentence is quite provocative. Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 22 2025 20:46 utc | 155 Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 22 2025 20:29 utc | 151 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 22 2025 20:48 utc | 156 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 22 2025 18:32 utc | 144 Posted by: rk | Dec 22 2025 21:50 utc | 157 The Globe and Mail Posted by: Laurence | Dec 22 2025 22:06 utc | 158 Russia is seemingly at complete mercy of Ukraine’s covert actions. Whether its ships, or refineries, assassinations or airplanes…Embarrassing. Posted by: Wolfila Totila Attila | Dec 22 2025 22:07 utc | 159 scc@154: Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 22 2025 22:23 utc | 160 The Duran Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 22 2025 22:47 utc | 161 YetAnotherAnon@147…….me? Trolling? No, when the president of one country mocks another country as weak because immigrants in rubber boats are raping their women and children and then one of his generals get topped……that’s trolling, Brit style….bit of a shit show eh? But yeah, totally my fault. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 22 2025 22:51 utc | 162 Posted by: Wolfila Totila Attila | Dec 22 2025 22:07 utc | 159 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2025 22:53 utc | 163 YetAnotherAnon@147…….me? Trolling? No, when the president of one country mocks another country as weak because immigrants in rubber boats are raping their women and children and then one of his generals get topped……that’s trolling, Brit style….bit of a shit show eh? But yeah, totally my fault. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 22 2025 22:59 utc | 164
Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 22 2025 23:49 utc | 165 Re: Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 22 2025 22:47 utc | 161
Posted by: Julian | Dec 22 2025 23:54 utc | 166 Major General Fanil Sarvarov, head of the Operational Training Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, killed in a terrorist attack in Moscow, became the 13th major Russian military leader to die at the hands of Ukrainian terrorists. This figure was calculated by those familiar with statistics.How many more deaths will it take in the Russian military leadership for security, counterintelligence, and countering enemy terrorism on our territory, including deep in the rear, to be given due attention?The question remains open.And secondly, without retaliatory action against the enemy’s leadership, terror will not end. Without relentless, mirror-image action on all fronts, in all cities and countries. Do we lack the political will for this? So be it.Subscribe to MAX@voenkorKotenok Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 23 2025 3:15 utc | 167 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8-WZPsieIE Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 23 2025 8:36 utc | 168 https://sonar21.com/what-russia-could-do/ Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 23 2025 8:47 utc | 169 Portugal doing 50,m via PYRL for Ukraine , Denmark £200 m for humanitarian needs and the like .
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German Defense Minister Pistorius stated that, unlike Rutte, he does not believe in a full-scale war between Russia and NATO:
However, a few weeks ago, Pistorius very much believed in the possibility of such a war as early as 2026. Posted by: Jo | Dec 23 2025 11:47 utc | 170 The new scheme to loan 90 billion euros to the Ukraines on the back of taxpayers of 24 euro states, supports my prediction that the war will end with the complete annexation of all the Ukraines into Russia, after extermination and expulsion of all ukrop males of military age. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 23 2025 11:48 utc | 171 Bolton calls for sending Ukrainians to war at the age of 18 and not holding elections (EADaily, December 16, 2025 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Dec 23 2025 11:54 utc | 172 Posted by: Jo | Dec 23 2025 11:47 utc | 170 Posted by: scc | Dec 23 2025 12:07 utc | 173 Il Fatto Quotidiano: The Kremlin knows how to read treaties better than Ursula von der Leyen (EADaily, December 17, 2025 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Dec 23 2025 12:11 utc | 174 For those reading french I recommend this site: https://www.dedefensa.org/. Posted by: scc | Dec 23 2025 12:54 utc | 175 Posted by: scc | Dec 23 2025 12:54 utc | 175 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 23 2025 13:58 utc | 176 MiniMO@…….it would appear the Russians would rather fight and die, right down to the last Officer Cadet, rather than avenge the death of their top brass…… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 23 2025 14:19 utc | 177 Posted by: scc | Dec 23 2025 12:54 utc | 175 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Dec 23 2025 14:38 utc | 178 LoveDonbass@97…..not much use having stand off weapons when your partner is standing on your nuts…..and not those mythical Hazelnuts, no, the big nuts that swing back and forth……FUKUS has Russia’s balls pinned to the black erf of Boulder 404 …..Mr Putin is reduced to mocking his partners……not very business like is it? Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 23 2025 15:16 utc | 179 RIP Sarvarov. Very sad that he served under a president who won’t avenge him. Posted by: T-90M | Dec 23 2025 15:54 utc | 180 JT: Mark Sleboda: ‘Flashpoint To WWIII’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 23 2025 16:01 utc | 181 181 corrected: Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 23 2025 16:02 utc | 182 Rutte gone too far and people realising they cannot live up to his war ambitions?
https://politnavigator.news/nechego-zapuskat-ukrainskijj-polkovnik-ob-udarakh-po-centru-moskvy.html (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 23 2025 17:48 utc | 184 Posted by: T-90M | Dec 23 2025 15:54 utc | 180 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 23 2025 19:11 utc | 186 Alexander Mercouris: ‘Pressure on All Fronts’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 23 2025 20:08 utc | 187 This doesn’t look comfortable, given the degradation of the Ukrainian electrical grid:
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1766498439-vdaryat-morozi-do–12-v-ukrayinu-yde-rizke-poholodannya (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 23 2025 22:17 utc | 188 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang // 184 Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 24 2025 0:17 utc | 189 BBC
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 24 2025 14:41 utc | 190 George Galloway Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 24 2025 15:16 utc | 191 Russia can’t control their own capital. Multiple bombings in less than a week. Consequences of starting a war and invading and bombing Ukraine. Posted by: Extreme Peanut | Dec 24 2025 16:45 utc | 192
Neither could the Brits. ( IRA bombings for several years.) Posted by: MAKK | Dec 24 2025 16:55 utc | 193 Alexander Mercouris: ‘All Out Assault’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 24 2025 20:58 utc | 194 CrossTalk: ‘Productive, Constructive’? Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 24 2025 22:52 utc | 195 |
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