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December 21, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-294
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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https://x.com/anatoliisharii/status/2002688457722720498 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 21 2025 13:32 utc | 1 the FBI will soon fully get involved in the Ermak–Zelensky–Mindich organized crime group. Posted by: snake | Dec 21 2025 14:12 utc | 2 and after Zelinski is in jail they will go after Bill and Hillary, and the Hauge will look for Tony Blair and GWB. Posted by: steve | Dec 21 2025 14:35 utc | 3 @ steve | Dec 21 2025 14:35 utc | 3 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 21 2025 14:39 utc | 4 New Russian space-to-space defense system (that is, destroying another spacecraft from aboard a spacecraft).
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 21 2025 14:54 utc | 5 @5 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 21 2025 14:56 utc | 6 Queues to hoard gas and foodstuff in Odessa due to strikes on a key bridge over the Dniester in Mayaki connecting the region to Romania and Moldova, also many hits on the target-rich port area over a 9-day campaign of Russian strikes on the region. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 21 2025 14:58 utc | 7 Russian forces broadening the Sumy front:
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 15:42 utc | 8
barflies – time to slowly prep for serious hard times. No need to go full tin foil hat, but laying in some buffer food stocks, figuring out car lite/car free mobility, plus a cheap camping style PV system for charging electronics and a few lamps…..is cheap insurance. Consider a wood stove even. Posted by: Exile | Dec 21 2025 15:45 utc | 9 I posted this in the previous BritKrain Open thread. I thought this ratified what I have been ranting about for a while.
***I also have learned that the primary source material the analysts are using is generated by the Ukrainians, who are working in concert with CIA officers deployed in Ukraine. I believe that the combination of peer pressure from operations officers to support a covert mission and a steady supply of tainted information from biased Ukrainian sources explains why the US officials who spoke to Sy Hersh are painting such a false and distorted picture of the war in Ukraine and are describing the Russians as incompetent, depleted and on the verge of crumbling. *** Posted by: frithguild | Dec 21 2025 15:57 utc | 10 Complaints about ineffective air defences around Odessa:
https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/12/21/1949040.html Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 16:02 utc | 11 @ frithguild | Dec 21 2025 15:57 utc | 10 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 16:07 utc | 12 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 16:07 utc | 12 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 21 2025 16:15 utc | 13 The over-riding point that I took from Larry Johnson’s piece was that Sy Hersh doesn’t have accurate information. Posted by: frithguild | Dec 21 2025 16:18 utc | 14
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 21 2025 16:15 utc | 13 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 16:34 utc | 15 Posted by: Exile | Dec 21 2025 15:45 utc | 9 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 21 2025 16:43 utc | 16 Brigadenführer Syrsky, aka the killer general, aka the butcher, was awarded France’s highest state award, the Legion of Honor, which is awarded by the head of state for exceptional military or civilian services to France.
As Tulsi Gabbard explained, “the truth is that the US intelligence community informed lawmakers” about the existence of data indicating that “Russia is seeking to avoid a larger conflict with NATO”. Posted by: Jo | Dec 21 2025 16:58 utc | 17 Posted by: steve | Dec 21 2025 14:35 utc | 3 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 21 2025 17:02 utc | 18 I absolutely hate this Youtube trend of using AI to present political analysis but what can you do? The commentary seems good – but maybe you have more critical opinions about it. Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 21 2025 17:11 utc | 19 @Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 16:34 utc | 15
How do you know Hersh was “given something close to the real story” over NS2 ? He never showed any evidence for his claims. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 21 2025 17:12 utc | 20 Posted by: frithguild | Dec 21 2025 15:57 utc | 10 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 21 2025 17:12 utc | 21 💢 After the ceasefire, Ukraine will not be able to sustain an army of 800,000 on its own, Zelensky stated. Posted by: Jo | Dec 21 2025 17:20 utc | 22 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 16:34 utc | 15 Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 21 2025 17:29 utc | 23 Doomberg on Ukraine war and economic events. The west is desperate so they might do a false flag very soon.
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 21 2025 17:35 utc | 24 Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 21 2025 17:11 utc | 19 Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 21 2025 17:37 utc | 25 I haven’t posted here in a while. But noticed the bit about Sy Hersh not getting accurate information. Today I noticed a story in a UK (taboid?) that reported a Ukraine GRU story about Russian troops resorting to cannibalism. Like they say, “the first casualty in war …..” Posted by: Curtis | Dec 21 2025 17:39 utc | 26 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 19th December 2025: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update Posted by: The Busker | Dec 21 2025 17:42 utc | 27 Posted by: frithguild | Dec 21 2025 15:57 utc | 10 Posted by: Naive | Dec 21 2025 17:57 utc | 28 @ Naive | Dec 21 2025 17:57 utc | 28 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 21 2025 18:12 utc | 29 TNA: Brian Berletic: ‘US National Security Strategy 2025’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 21 2025 18:14 utc | 30 Hi, the attention whore Jaques Tilly from german carnival got sued by some court in Moscow, german media are selling their “violent VVP doesn’t want criticism” thing… but do we have a primary source, what’s the reason? I wanted to look at https://www.mos-gorsud.ru/ but timeout. Not sure where to look. Posted by: Tapio | Dec 21 2025 18:15 utc | 31 Russian General Sergei Kuzovlev was personally awarded the title “Hero of Russia” by Putin on December 9. It is being reported that His wife found his body on December 17, the cause of death unknown. Posted by: zargo | Dec 21 2025 18:34 utc | 32 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 21 2025 18:12 utc | 29 Posted by: Naive | Dec 21 2025 18:35 utc | 33 Posted by: Naive | Dec 21 2025 18:35 utc | 33 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 21 2025 18:56 utc | 34 Russian General Sergei Kuzovlev Posted by: Angelo | Dec 21 2025 18:56 utc | 35 And they still do not take into account the COUP. Posted by: John | Dec 21 2025 19:14 utc | 36 This weekend in Miami, where all the moneyed capitalists huddle to decide the next fakery war plans while the masses of their own nations are looted & lied to hourly about their fake wars & “enemies”. Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 21 2025 19:21 utc | 37 @ Norwegian | Dec 21 2025 17:12 utc | 20 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 19:22 utc | 38 @ ChatNPC | Dec 21 2025 17:29 utc | 23 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 19:27 utc | 39 I just began watching Alex Christoforou’s daily news video and he was discussing the U.S. spokeswoman’s statement the neutral country’s oil tankers were seized because they were carrying “sanctioned” oil. Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 21 2025 19:36 utc | 40 ▲▲▲▲ Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 21 2025 19:39 utc | 41 Kaja Kallas has publicly admitted to being a liar: Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 21 2025 19:46 utc | 42
https://politnavigator.news/evropejjcy-polnostyu-podderzhivayut-zverstva-tck-lish-by-prodolzhalas-vojjna-deputat-rady.html (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 19:51 utc | 43 Andrei Martyanov posted on his blog about the Euro “swine underlings”. Seems the translation was a bit of an issue. lol . Posted by: N_H | Dec 21 2025 20:06 utc | 44 “By the way, I raised the issue of forced mobilization in the framework of the delegation with my European colleagues”Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 19:51 utc | 43 Posted by: rk | Dec 21 2025 20:07 utc | 45 re Sy Hersh, this account on X (mostly about exposing the CIA involvement in JFK assassination) refers to Noam Chomsky, Alex Cockburn and Sy Hersh as part of an IntelOp/controlled Left. Posted by: Whistlen | Dec 21 2025 20:09 utc | 46 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 21 2025 18:12 utc | 29 Posted by: frithguild | Dec 21 2025 20:11 utc | 47 Oops, first link was a mistake. This one: Posted by: Whistlen | Dec 21 2025 20:14 utc | 48 frithguild @10 Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 21 2025 20:16 utc | 49
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 21 2025 20:27 utc | 50 Got to love the UK and Sir Keir, boviating about war aims. Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 21 2025 20:28 utc | 51 Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 21 2025 20:16 utc | 49 British GCHQ media says RUAF troops run out of food and turned into cannibals. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 21 2025 20:30 utc | 53 Posted by: watcher | Dec 21 2025 20:30 utc | 52 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 21 2025 20:37 utc | 54 You seem accuse me of endorsing the falsity and wanting the continuing of the killing when I have expresed nothing but visceral revilsion. I truly don’t understand you two. Posted by: Naive | Dec 21 2025 20:39 utc | 55 @ frithguild | Dec 21 2025 20:11 utc | 47 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 20:48 utc | 56 Gabbard is correct, the EU and UK are panicking now, (the UK just attacked a Russian tanker off Senegal), and the war hysteria is building as the Ukronazi front collapses. Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 21 2025 20:52 utc | 57 Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 21 2025 20:52 utc | 57 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 21 2025 21:52 utc | 58
Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 21 2025 19:39 utc | 41 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 22:09 utc | 59 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 21 2025 21:52 utc | 58 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 21 2025 22:13 utc | 60 Ho hum! The killing continues until it doesn’t. I am constantly amazed at the cowardice displayed by Ukrainian men being forcibly mobilized. Reminds me of chickens waiting for the chopping block. Posted by: Suresh | Dec 21 2025 22:18 utc | 61 I love the continued insistence that politicians and intelligence agencies possess neither sufficient IQ nor educational background necessary to make accurate assessments. Posted by: Markw | Dec 21 2025 22:23 utc | 62 VVP has already said Russia will give advance warning before using Oreshniks. It will be over quicker than in a eyeblink. No millions or hundreds of thousands, not even in the hundreds casualties. Posted by: Suresh | Dec 21 2025 22:18 utc | 61 Posted by: Naive | Dec 21 2025 22:28 utc | 63 19…Yanis Verufakis? Done similar youtube vid??? like staring into a screen and continuous speech no breathing in…not sure…Russia is has kinda “set a bomb under the EU”….anyone else thinks..what? Posted by: Jo | Dec 21 2025 22:29 utc | 64 Re: Posted by: Jo | Dec 21 2025 17:20 utc | 22
Posted by: Julian | Dec 21 2025 23:25 utc | 65 Naive | Dec 21 2025 20:39 utc | 55 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 21 2025 23:50 utc | 67 Oreshniks have now gone nuclear. It most likely carries one 150kt nuclear warhead. Small in comparison to strategic nukes but highly destructive against populated European targets. Sufficient to end it all in London, Birmingham, Paris, Frankfurt, etc. Posted by: Jason | Dec 21 2025 23:56 utc | 68 After the first Oreshnik strike (without a warhead) the comedian called it a “severe escalation”. That means Ukraine had suffered severely. Only its kinetic energy was used. Posted by: Jason | Dec 22 2025 0:09 utc | 69 Alexander Mercouris: ‘New Front Opens’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 22 2025 0:14 utc | 70 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 22:09 utc | 59 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 22 2025 0:21 utc | 71 Posted by: Suresh | Dec 21 2025 22:18 utc | 61 Posted by: snake | Dec 22 2025 0:24 utc | 72 Jason | Dec 21 2025 23:56 utc | 68 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 22 2025 0:28 utc | 73 I’m betting I know ten more who work intelligence. It is a huge employer. Come to think of pretty sure the ex-comrades from old movement days are heavily intelligence. Their job then was to be sure nothing was ever accomplished . Negation was all they would be good for, they would never accomplish anything. Posted by: General Factotum | Dec 22 2025 0:28 utc | 74 re Jason Dec 22 2025 0:09 utc | 69 Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 22 2025 0:35 utc | 75 unimperator | Dec 21 2025 14:54 utc | 5 re Almaz’s space-to-space missiles Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Dec 22 2025 1:00 utc | 76 Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Dec 22 2025 1:00 utc | 76 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 22 2025 1:29 utc | 77 re Jason: Ok, the Orseshnik is nuclear capable and can indeed carry multiple nuclear warheads. But the game changer here are the kinetic capabilities that have a nuclear-like capability to destroy deep command centers and bunkers. The combined explosive power of a group of Oreshniks approaches a tactical nuclear capability without radioactive fallout. The ability to destroy hardened command centers and bunkers using non-nuclear Oreshniks will allow Russia to avoid crossing the nuclear threshold while still inflicting nuclear-like damage. Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 22 2025 2:19 utc | 78 ZH has a good item on Gabbard’s outburst, which she did on more than once on X: “Gabbard also used her appearance at this weekend’s Turning Point USA national conference” to further attack Reuters and those it serves. Julian 65 Posted by: Orson Cart | Dec 22 2025 2:54 utc | 80 A phenomenons to expect would be a Ukie `twerent nuthin but a scratch’. And a Ted Postol tactical `munition’. Posted by: Laurence | Dec 22 2025 3:05 utc | 81 Posted by: Jason | Dec 21 2025 23:56 utc | 68 Posted by: Paranaense | Dec 22 2025 3:12 utc | 82 >Hi, the attention whore Jaques Tilly from german carnival got sued by some court in Moscow, german media are selling Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Dec 22 2025 3:24 utc | 83
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 22 2025 3:45 utc | 84
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 21 2025 19:51 utc | 43 Posted by: Organic | Dec 22 2025 3:49 utc | 85 According to Alexander Mercouris, see John Gilberts // 79 above for a link to the video, Russian owned ships are “returning to the flag.” Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 22 2025 4:08 utc | 86 The Russian money frozen in the EU is causing a big rift between France and Germany. VVP said he won’t write his memoirs (how sad), but I would be curious to know if leaving 300 billion eurobucks in the EU was actually a volontary strategic decision by the Russians. Posted by: Asian Frog | Dec 22 2025 4:16 utc | 87 Re: Posted by: Orson Cart | Dec 22 2025 2:54 utc | 80
Posted by: Julian | Dec 22 2025 4:26 utc | 88 Posted by: Julian | Dec 22 2025 4:26 utc | 88 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2025 4:40 utc | 89 Now there’s Musk’s `space-to- space missiles’. Posted by: General Factotum | Dec 22 2025 4:47 utc | 90 General Factotum | Dec 22 2025 4:47 utc | 90 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 22 2025 5:06 utc | 91
Good post Orson. I think you are correct.
You are also correct Julian, except that the “half- hearted” effort of the RF in early 2022 did result in the Istanbul talks which very nearly succeeded in potentially ending the conflict-at least for a time. Had this resulted in a ratified agreement there would have been no need for the RF to now be engaged in the systematic reduction of the NATO Donbas forts which- short of using tactical nuclear weapons-is inherently time consuming.
So we now have a situation where the RF is methodically destroying the fortifications in preparation for occupying the whole East bank of the Dnieper. after that, we shall see. Odessa comes to mind. Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 22 2025 5:55 utc | 92 Re: Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2025 4:40 utc | 89
Posted by: Julian | Dec 22 2025 5:56 utc | 93 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 21 2025 13:32 utc | 1 Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 22 2025 6:09 utc | 94 “A new French President allied with Orban, Fico, Babas, and with hangers-on like Meloni & Sanchez can end European support for the war. / Posted by: Julian | Dec 22 2025 5:56 utc | 93” Posted by: Asian Frog | Dec 22 2025 6:48 utc | 95 malenkov@29 Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Dec 22 2025 7:17 utc | 96 Posted by: Julian | Dec 22 2025 5:56 utc | 93 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 22 2025 7:36 utc | 97 Chinese media reported a successful SAS killing of a Russian general in Moscow. “15:44 63.1 KB/s 5G 56 X The head of the Russian armed forces’ general staff’s combat training unit was killed by car bomb Click to follow → Jinan Times December 22, 2025 15:10 Shandong 1 person On the 22nd local time, according to the Russian Federal Security Service, General Salvadorov, Director of the Operations and Training Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Armed Forces of Russia, was injured during an automobile bomb explosion near Moscow on that day and died after rescue efforts.” Posted by: Surferket | Dec 22 2025 7:47 utc | 99 |
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