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December 19, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-291
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Isn’t Ukraine just the clearing point for the transfer of public funds into private hands? Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 19 2025 19:06 utc | 101 Just found this story as well:
https://en.topwar.ru/275374-v-dnepropetrovske-ljudi-napali-na-jelektrikov-za-popytku-otkljuchit-im-svet.html Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 19:08 utc | 102 AMK Mapping telegram
https://t.me/AMK_Mapping/20882
Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 19 2025 19:15 utc | 103 A Ceausescu Christmas ?
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/52589 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 19 2025 19:16 utc | 104 90 bn here, 90 bn there. The EU leaders know perfectly well that those 90 bn last only so long and before half of next year is gone, they’ll have to find 90 bn more. Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 19 2025 19:19 utc | 105 Ha ha, brilliant mock up. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 19 2025 19:19 utc | 106
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 19 2025 18:48 utc | 99
https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/12/19/1946090.html Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 19:19 utc | 107 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2025 18:31 utc | 96
Doesn’t work at doing what? Posted by: robin | Dec 19 2025 19:22 utc | 108 Huge explosion looks like Russia struck a Ukrainian arms depot/supply point. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 19 2025 19:23 utc | 109 Dmitry Orlov’s latest video: ‘The Ukrainian Trojan pig’. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 19 2025 19:24 utc | 110
Posted by: robin | Dec 19 2025 19:22 utc | 109 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 19:36 utc | 111
Did I stutter? Of course the measures are designed to increase costs, and they might in some miniscule way irrelevant to the overall picture, but as noted without direct military interdiction will remain a rounding error in the big picture. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2025 19:41 utc | 112
Precisely this. Expanding the piracy campaign of interdiction to the level it becomes more than irrelevant means tit-for-tat retribution from Russia and potentially her allies, a retaliation that the West is not prepared for. This isnt intelligent strategy, its desperate grasping by losers, as Trump might say. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2025 19:44 utc | 113 Alexander Mercouris: ‘Crash & Burn’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 19 2025 19:49 utc | 114
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/173076 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 19 2025 19:51 utc | 115 This isnt intelligent strategy, its desperate grasping by losers, as Trump might say. Posted by: rk | Dec 19 2025 19:53 utc | 116
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1766169403-v-ukrayini-mozhe-viniknuti-defitsit-palnogo-cherez-rosiyski-udari-po-mostu-na-odeshchini (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 19:55 utc | 117 -Echoes of the Third Reich: Ukrainian Torture Chambers and Russian Prisoners of War – Posted by: The Painter | Dec 19 2025 19:57 utc | 118 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 19:55 utc | 118 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 19 2025 19:57 utc | 119 Putin Identifies The Main Issue Which Will Settle Ukraine War In Year-End Q&A by Tyler Durden, Friday, Dec 19, 2025 – 02:00 PM Posted by: frithguild | Dec 19 2025 19:58 utc | 120 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 19:36 utc | 112
I believe that deterrence, not lack of precedence, is what is keeping states from targeting competing commercial shipping. And today, that deterrence is intact, save for Russia. Posted by: robin | Dec 19 2025 19:59 utc | 121
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1766169403-v-ukrayini-mozhe-viniknuti-defitsit-palnogo-cherez-rosiyski-udari-po-mostu-na-odeshchini (via translation add-on.) Posted by: frithguild | Dec 19 2025 20:01 utc | 122 MI6 statement. Set to 13.55. Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 19 2025 20:05 utc | 123 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 14:39 utc | 49 Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 19 2025 20:13 utc | 124 Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 19 2025 20:05 utc | 124 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 19 2025 20:18 utc | 125 They can always just burn our tax payers money just to stay warm. Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 19 2025 20:22 utc | 126
Posted by: robin | Dec 19 2025 19:59 utc | 122 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 20:22 utc | 127 @ English Outsider | Dec 19 2025 20:05 utc | 124 Posted by: james | Dec 19 2025 20:23 utc | 128 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 20:22 utc | 128 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 19 2025 20:26 utc | 129 Putin Holds Year-End Press Conference Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 19 2025 20:27 utc | 130
Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 19 2025 20:13 utc | 125 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 20:27 utc | 131 OT Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 19 2025 20:27 utc | 132 Posted by: frithguild | Dec 19 2025 17:28 utc | 85 Nobody said anything about Lloyd’s. The shadow fleet get their insurance elsewhere. Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 19 2025 20:32 utc | 134 For that matter, even if the war were to end today, there’s nothing stopping the europeans and their Ukrainian buttbois from continuing the attacks. Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 19 2025 20:37 utc | 135 Marco Rubio: Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 19 2025 20:38 utc | 136 Anatolii Sharii Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 19 2025 20:40 utc | 137 On topic Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 19 2025 20:41 utc | 138 Feral Finster | Dec 19 2025 20:32 utc | 135 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 19 2025 20:41 utc | 139 From a friend in Moscow. Posted by: Bingo | Dec 19 2025 20:42 utc | 140 robin@109…..you are correct, the attacks, designed with plausible deniability, will tie Russia in knots for years. Russia is at present standing up an entirely new army solely tasked with drone interdiction in mind. The Russians have read the writing on the wall…… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 19 2025 20:46 utc | 141 Sorry if OT Posted by: Bingo | Dec 19 2025 20:50 utc | 142 Sorry if OT Posted by: Bingo | Dec 19 2025 20:51 utc | 143 The British government has abandoned the idea of expropriating frozen Russian assets, according to the Financial Times Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 19 2025 20:52 utc | 144 there’s some talk “insurance” will be provided by naval escort. Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 19 2025 20:57 utc | 145 Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 19 2025 20:22 utc | 127 Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 19 2025 21:11 utc | 146 @ sean the leprechaun | Dec 19 2025 20:46 utc | 142
However, as posted earlier, the West runs a huge risk of opening a Pandora’s box, setting a precedent that will torpedo (no pun intended) its carefully-constructed globalisation model. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 21:13 utc | 147
“How did the war start?” Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 19 2025 21:15 utc | 148 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 20:22 utc | 128
In your example the aggrieved parties would be the country of registration, the two trading partners, and any 4th party involved (insurers, etc). Even if the trading partners were hypothetically weaker than Algeria, I would think that the chain of interests could involve more power than Algeria would be willing to face off in armed conflict. Posted by: robin | Dec 19 2025 21:20 utc | 149
Hmmm, didn’t something similar happen in WWI? German U-boats started attacking unarmed merchantmen, Churchill armed then making them fair game in the process, then suddenly the Lusitania blew up and sank with a load of Yanks aboard, Germany got blamed and it was Woodrow Wilson to the rescue…Huzzah! Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 19 2025 21:23 utc | 150 Well they only need to follow one/two boats to set a precedent. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 19 2025 20:46 utc | 142 Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 19 2025 21:26 utc | 152 ChatNPC | Dec 19 2025 21:23 utc | 151 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 19 2025 21:28 utc | 153 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 21:13 utc | 148 -Russia ready to ‘compromise’ on Ukraine – Putin – Posted by: The Painter | Dec 19 2025 21:33 utc | 155 *** It is probably connected (I am not a linguist) to the Roman goddess Juno (d-j is common) and related to Janus, and probably even Jupiter. *** Posted by: frithguild | Dec 19 2025 21:34 utc | 156
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/173076 Posted by: xanax | Dec 19 2025 21:40 utc | 157 @ robin | Dec 19 2025 21:20 utc | 150 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 21:40 utc | 158 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 21:13 utc | 148
Until Russia can present evidence of direct British involvement, the narrative of Ukrainian attacks is plausible. But this brings up an interesting point: the fact that Russia isn’t putting much effort to counter that claim suggests it isn’t willing to face off Britain.
I’d wait for official numbers and trends of Russian trade before concluding that these attacks are irrelevant. Also, recent examples suggest a widening reach of attacks in the air, on the surface and underwater. Posted by: robin | Dec 19 2025 21:41 utc | 159 Somewhat relevant to this talk of open warfare vs civilian shipping, I recently read of shortage of LNG tankers, with much of the earliest generation of them soon reaching end of useful life along with de facto constraints on new construction. This obviously wasn’t publicly discussed when political constraints (and violent sabotage) on Russian gas pipelines occured. This alone will result in further increase in LNG prices, albeit to benefit of ship owners. But factor in reprisal attacks on this choke point and that is formula for new economic crisis. Posted by: xanax | Dec 19 2025 21:51 utc | 160 Until Russia can present evidence of direct British involvement, the narrative of Ukrainian attacks is plausible. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2025 21:51 utc | 161 Just in case anyone missed it! Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 19 2025 21:54 utc | 162 💢 The City of London is behind the Euro Bond scam to fund Ukraine, even though the EU won’t be good for it (since Ukraine is scheduled to lose!) Posted by: Jo | Dec 19 2025 21:55 utc | 163
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/odesskaya/1766177989-rosiya-zavdala-udaru-po-portoviy-infrastrukturi-odeshchini-e-zagibli-ta-poraneni (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 21:59 utc | 164 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 21:40 utc | 159
I think we can consider Ansar Allah as a non-state actor, so the reasoning is different. The return address isn’t obvious. However, I’m pretty sure that the devastation inflicted on Yemen by the West and its Persian Gulf allies serves as an effective deterrence for other parties considering a fight with the West. Posted by: robin | Dec 19 2025 22:01 utc | 165 imagine gow much waste, mismanagement, and fraud is buried in just the new 90€ billion EU loan Posted by: Newbie | Dec 19 2025 22:06 utc | 166 UvdL closing statement here Posted by: Jo | Dec 19 2025 22:07 utc | 167 The City of London is behind the Euro Bond scam to fund Ukraine, even though the EU won’t be good for it (since Ukraine is scheduled to lose!)Posted by: Jo | Dec 19 2025 21:55 utc | 164 Posted by: xanax | Dec 19 2025 22:10 utc | 168
Posted by: robin | Dec 19 2025 22:01 utc | 166
Verified links, please, thank you in advance. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 22:12 utc | 169
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 19 2025 22:06 utc | 167 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 22:18 utc | 170 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2025 21:51 utc | 162
When the people susceptible to said narratives happen to be the arbiters of whether their country should follow belligerent policies, narratives are in fact more determinant than you think. Posted by: robin | Dec 19 2025 22:18 utc | 171 And there’s always something; if deterrence had actually worked there would be no need to “devastate Yemen”, in the first place. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 22:22 utc | 172 Use a QR scanner on the new resistance post then follow the link identified to the European commission issues 5b in it’s 10th syndicated transaction of 2025press release Posted by: Jo | Dec 19 2025 22:30 utc | 173
Posted by: MAKK | Dec 19 2025 22:32 utc | 174
Yes, Putin is saying Russia can compromise when its demands have been met, and the ball is in FUKU$ court again. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 19 2025 22:34 utc | 175 Was interesting to watch Merz giving the convulsing worm on slippery grounds. Posted by: MAKK | Dec 19 2025 22:35 utc | 176
Posted by: Jo | Dec 19 2025 22:37 utc | 177 English Outsider @153……I wish I could agree with that….but the Russians have told us the west is not agreement capable, we both seen BoJo do his MoJo thing for the Empire. Look where we are now. Poor Ukie……. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 19 2025 22:40 utc | 178 @ MAKK | Dec 19 2025 22:32 utc | 175 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 19 2025 22:41 utc | 179
Purest fantasy. Fascist powers manufacture consent. Even if a strong movement materialized let’s recognize a soft dictatorship for what it is. The majority of the population in many Western states already opposes the war with Russia. That fact matters not at all. Those voices are ignored and marginalized. No amount of punching back hard changes this, which is why economic collapse will have to be forced. You only really need to hang mean bastards, but mean bastards ya gotta hang. Otherwise you just hand them more narrative fuel to try to unite their populations for a suicidal and ruinous war with Russia all to try – and fail – to preserve the dollar hegemony. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2025 22:47 utc | 180 Of contained = if continued Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2025 22:50 utc | 181 Yesterday during some TV thing Putin told a journalist that, though not right away, Russia can hopefully soon go back to selling its enemies the stuff they need. It looked so out-to-lunch to me, when tankers are burning and the country is under attack. Or do Russians like to hear such a message from their president? Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 19 2025 22:51 utc | 182 I think we can consider Ansar Allah as a non-state actor, so the reasoning is different. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2025 22:54 utc | 183 Soviet Union should never have allowed German unification. That recreated the monster which was defeated and split in 1945. Its only hope now if AfD. Its taxpayers will be footing the bill until then. Great news for AfD. Posted by: Jason | Dec 19 2025 22:56 utc | 184 *** beyond extra material spent operations cost of carrier groups don’t change between idling around the world and calling up a conflict. Posted by: frithguild | Dec 19 2025 23:03 utc | 185 France and the UK will go to polls before Trump. Their right winged parties will win more power. That will further undermine European “unity”. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 19 2025 23:12 utc | 186 Posted by: Jason | Dec 19 2025 22:56 utc | 185 🇩🇪🏴☠️🇩🇪👉🇷🇺 German media report that the Chancellor’s Office is preparing a new law on the Federal Intelligence Service (BND). It will grant the special service new broad powers: if currently it is only allowed to collect and analyze information, the new law will allow it to conduct sabotage, cyberattacks on enemy territory, and many other criminally punishable acts in any country, such as murders and the like.Another sign of the Zeitenwende announced by Scholz – the militarization of Germany in preparation for war. I don’t think I need to explain who they want to fight against.Historically, the BND was organized precisely as a “peaceful” special service, which deals only with intelligence, while any fight against the enemy was entrusted to the Bundeswehr. Now, the powers of the special service and the army will sometimes overlap.I wouldn’t be surprised if the Germans are either already adopting the experience of the GRU and the SBU, or will do so, especially since the BND itself, through the voice of its head, has stated that they expect (that is, are preparing) a war between Europe and Russia after the completion of rearmament – in 2030. Posted by: Jo | Dec 19 2025 23:23 utc | 188 @185 Posted by: paddy | Dec 19 2025 23:27 utc | 189 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 19 2025 22:47 utc | 181
I don’t know about that public opposition to war with Russia. It is presented as defence against Russia and people don’t seem to reject it. Posted by: robin | Dec 19 2025 23:28 utc | 190 Posted by: xanax | Dec 19 2025 21:51 utc | 161 Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 19 2025 23:34 utc | 191 The Bank of Russia (CBR) has lowered its key interest rate for the fifth consecutive time since June, citing the economy’s continued return to a “balanced growth” path. Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 19 2025 23:51 utc | 192 For anyone perhaps wishing to introduce some reality to msm propagandized folks on NATO’s proxy war on Ukraine, this 10 minute video clip of Prof Jeffrey Sachs works well… Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 19 2025 23:51 utc | 193 One of the reasons I hate this war so much. The chickenhawk war. We use Ukraine as cover for things we would never dare to do openly. Just as we use Ukraine to fight a war the chickenhawks would never dare fight themselves. Ugly stuff, all of it. Posted by: Laurence | Dec 19 2025 23:53 utc | 194 “Yes, Putin is saying Russia can compromise when its demands have been met, and the ball is in FUKU$ court again. Posted by: The Painter | Dec 19 2025 23:57 utc | 195 Posted by: The Painter | Dec 19 2025 23:57 utc | 196 Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 19 2025 23:59 utc | 196 Casualties. Also see” “Ugly stuff, all of it.”
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 20 2025 0:02 utc | 197 I hope a Russian journalist will eventually ask President Putin this question. Posted by: Suresh | Dec 20 2025 0:16 utc | 198 helo888 // 200 Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 20 2025 0:41 utc | 199 “When Trump melts completely, the real hell will start…”
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