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December 11, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-285
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 3:06 utc | 99 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 12 2025 3:25 utc | 101 Ex Bidet regime official now says that Ukranazistan could have been simply ordered to disavow NATO membership and this war would never have happened. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Dec 12 2025 3:46 utc | 102 US House Passes $800 M Aid Package For Ukraine Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 12 2025 4:02 utc | 103 Kolomoisky: Assassins Arrested After Failed Attempt to Kill Mindlich in Israel Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 12 2025 4:23 utc | 104 105 corrected: (hopefully) Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 12 2025 4:29 utc | 105 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Dec 12 2025 3:46 utc | 103 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 12 2025 4:29 utc | 106 Re: Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 3:11 utc | 100
Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 4:34 utc | 107 Try this: if it doesn’t work google the title. Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 12 2025 4:35 utc | 108 Does anyone have any thoughts on the part of the Odessa oblast west of the Dniester? If Odessa is liberated, then it seems likely that this will be a Ukrainian holdout, supplied from Moldova and Romania. The Ukrainians and their sponsors may be particularly keen to maintain part of the Black Sea coast under their control, both for symbolic and military reasons. This could be tricky for the Russians, because of the proximity to NATO territlory and the possibility of a direct conflict with NATO forces. I am assuming that Ukraine and its sponsors are planning for a worst case scenario and are surreptitously building defences and preparing contingency plans. What about Russia? What might their planning be, assuming they regard Odessa as a reachable military objective? Posted by: Technophobe | Dec 12 2025 4:57 utc | 110 I’m thinking that the Russian victory may come about through demographics. We know that huge numbers of Ukrainians have left, and the ones that remain tend to be female and/or old. Should there ever be a vote, would the vote be for their pensions and or child support to continue being paid in hryvnia, or in roubles? Posted by: Occasional poster | Dec 12 2025 5:13 utc | 111 Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 12 2025 1:06 utc | 86 Posted by: Emi | Dec 12 2025 5:27 utc | 112 Barflies. Posted by: Judge Barbier | Dec 12 2025 5:36 utc | 113 Posted by: Judge Barbier | Dec 12 2025 5:36 utc | 114 Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 5:41 utc | 114 A message for the eurotards : “If after ten minutes at the poker table you do not know who the patsy is—you are the patsy.” Posted by: Asian Frog | Dec 12 2025 5:44 utc | 115 Posted by: Emi | Dec 12 2025 5:27 utc | 113 Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 5:46 utc | 116 Posted by: Asian Frog | Dec 12 2025 5:44 utc | 116 Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 5:49 utc | 117 Ok. Trump has said that everybody in Ukraine loved his peace plan except Zelinsky. Posted by: Bingo | Dec 12 2025 5:57 utc | 118 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 20:15 utc | 25 1970s Britaina) still 98% white British_______________ Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 12 2025 6:07 utc | 119 Does anyone have any thoughts on the part of the Odessa oblast west of the Dniester? If Odessa is liberated, then it seems likely that this will be a Ukrainian holdout, supplied from Moldova and Romania. The Ukrainians and their sponsors may be particularly keen to maintain part of the Black Sea coast under their control, both for symbolic and military reasons. This could be tricky for the Russians, because of the proximity to NATO territlory and the possibility of a direct conflict with NATO forces. I am assuming that Ukraine and its sponsors are planning for a worst case scenario and are surreptitously building defences and preparing contingency plans. What about Russia? What might their planning be, assuming they regard Odessa as a reachable military objective? Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 12 2025 6:13 utc | 120 UWDude | Dec 12 2025 5:46 utc | 117 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 12 2025 6:21 utc | 121 Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 12 2025 6:13 utc | 121 Posted by: 667 | Dec 12 2025 8:37 utc | 122
Posted by: Multipolarbear | Dec 12 2025 8:44 utc | 123 confiscating the tanker Eventim ( ship, oil ) was deemed illegal by a German court: Posted by: MAKK | Dec 12 2025 8:54 utc | 124 Would a US-Russia agreement to end the Ukraine conflict in Russia’s terms be similar in its clauses as the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact? Posted by: Asian Frog | Dec 12 2025 9:06 utc | 125 The current negotiation is between Blackrock and the Kremlin, via Witcoff and Kushner. Posted by: rk | Dec 12 2025 10:44 utc | 126 Posted by: rk | Dec 12 2025 10:44 utc | 127 Posted by: scc | Dec 12 2025 10:49 utc | 127 ICJ now has a press release, which says they accepted the Russian presented evidence in November 2024 of Ukraine committing genocide. Ukraine has until November 2026 to respond. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 12 2025 11:15 utc | 128
Posted by: Fredrick | Dec 12 2025 11:27 utc | 129 Do western air forces follow a staged theory of, air superiority, battlefield isolation and then close air support or do they try to do all at once and make sure that they never leave squaddies in the lurch? Posted by: Squeeth | Dec 12 2025 11:36 utc | 130 Delusional projection. Posted by: rk | Dec 12 2025 11:39 utc | 131 The United States will take part in Saturday’s meeting with representatives of Europe and Ukraine if there is a good chance for a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, US President Donald Trump said.We’ll see whether or not we attend the meeting. We said we’ll attend the meeting if they think there’s a good chance. They want me to attend. They want us to attend. And we’ll be attending the meeting on Saturday in Europe if we think there’s a good chance. And we don’t want to waste a lot of time,” Trump told reporters at the White House. Posted by: Jo | Dec 12 2025 11:50 utc | 132 Posted by: rk | Dec 12 2025 11:39 utc | 132 Posted by: scc | Dec 12 2025 11:51 utc | 133 Posted by: Fredrick | Dec 12 2025 11:27 utc | 130 Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 11:51 utc | 134 Scott Ritter raised the issue of Sec 53 UN Charter. It appears that no Security council vote is required for member states to take legal action against ww2 losers. Germany, Italy and Japan. If Russian assets are seized, would this leave them open to more than a court hearing? Posted by: Tommy | Dec 12 2025 11:56 utc | 136 anazing pat robertson wants to bomb a country where abortion and porn are illegal. Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 12:01 utc | 137 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 12th December 2025: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update Posted by: The Busker | Dec 12 2025 12:03 utc | 138 🤡🇺🇸 The creation of the “Golden Dome” missile defense system will cost the US $1.1 trillion instead of the $175 billion promised by Trump, according to Bloomberg’s calculations.Thus, the amount could exceed the promised one by more than 500%. The experts also believe that the system’s introduction into operation in 2029 is unrealistic. z an v telegram Posted by: Jo | Dec 12 2025 12:07 utc | 139 oops not sure about porn, but abortion is illegal in venezuela, and same sex marriage is not recognized wrong thread. Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 12:08 utc | 140 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 11 2025 22:51 utc | 57No, not at all. Well before 2022, France no longer controlled West Africa. And after that, no, Russia doesn’t control West Africa either.There are 15 countries in West Africa, all of which have had China as their primary partner since well before 2022; France was at best third. Since 2022, Russia is at best fifth. What is true is that the West African and French political classes have maintained clientelist relationships from the colonial era, of the type: “I help you keep power, you help me keep power.” African money finances elections in France, and France supports regimes in Africa. There was also a habit of using French public funds to cover the embezzlement by African leaders, which they shared.Regarding the military partnership with Russia, there are fewer than 200 Russian combatants in the two West African countries where they are present, Mali and Burkina Faso. And neither of them is the primary customer of Russian arms in the region. Posted by: Sebgo | Dec 12 2025 12:23 utc | 141 @ Posted by: Jo | Dec 12 2025 12:07 utc | 140
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 12 2025 12:30 utc | 143 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 11 2025 22:51 utc | 57 Posted by: Sebgo | Dec 12 2025 12:33 utc | 144 Why doesn’t shelensky have it in HIS possession or in some safe place in WasNeverReal? Posted by: MAKK | Dec 12 2025 12:37 utc | 145 Regarding the three clowns who have travelled to see the wizard – Fink, Witkoff and Baby Kruschner – I can’t figure out which character is Dorothy and wtf is ToTo. Hahaha, they are the Wizard Rats Strings finely breaking cover into the open. They are attempting bargaining their dynastic failure and massive ‘investment’ having staked everything on their thousand year project success. Control of everything and everyone by stealing, cheating or buying it with fiat money. To try again! Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 12 2025 12:49 utc | 146 I have seen a report here in the UK that four Russian soldiers have been jailed for murdering Texas Russel Bentley, i remember him from the early days fighting with the DPR militia, does anyone know what the hell went on with this guy that Russian soldiers thought he needed to be killed? maybe there is something i am missing. Posted by: Englishman | Dec 12 2025 12:51 utc | 147 I have seen a report here in the UK that four Russian soldiers have been jailed for murdering Texas Russel Bentley, i remember him from the early days fighting with the DPR militia, does anyone know what the hell went on with this guy that Russian soldiers thought he needed to be killed? maybe there is something i am missing. Posted by: Englishman | Dec 12 2025 12:51 utc | 148 Englishman | Dec 12 2025 12:51 utc | 149
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 12 2025 13:10 utc | 149 Posted by: Technophobe | Dec 12 2025 4:57 utc | 111 Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 12 2025 13:12 utc | 150 Posted by: Sebgo | Dec 12 2025 12:33 utc | 145 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 12 2025 13:25 utc | 151 @ MAKK | Dec 12 2025 12:37 utc | 146 Posted by: malenkov | Dec 12 2025 13:35 utc | 152 149: Guess Criminal Russian Soldiers are a Thing too. Good to see them jailed… Posted by: Nobody | Dec 12 2025 13:37 utc | 153 I guess we must give it to Julian that he has great entertainment value. Almost bigly. Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 12 2025 13:55 utc | 154 Posted by: rk | Dec 12 2025 10:44 utc | 127 Posted by: snake | Dec 12 2025 14:04 utc | 155 🇺🇦 Ukraine’s position on Donbass remains unchanged – we stand where we stand – Zelensky
The USA don’t want to see us in NATO – Zelensky
The outgoing president also said that now is not the time to look for a new head of the Presidential Office.Lot of countries don’t want Ukraine in NATO, Politico reported 7 countries do no want Ukraine in NATO.@Slavyangrad Posted by: Jo | Dec 12 2025 14:11 utc | 156 englishman…Re Texas….I think Zi recall he was somewhere and heard about something he felt was going on that should not have been or even should have been eg a derelection of duty by the 4, went to remonstrate with them….they did not like this interference , especially from an outsider perhaps more more loyal to Russian government princples than local situations at the time. Not all honey and sugar between russian government and locals in Donbass sometimes…….what was wanted-neededto be done, what protocols according to Russian military doctrines procedures , and what was happening in the field where Texas had served his time. Just a feeling.? Posted by: Jo | Dec 12 2025 14:21 utc | 157 ICJ now has a press release, which says they accepted the Russian presented evidence in November 2024 of Ukraine committing genocide. Ukraine has until November 2026 to respond. https://icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/182/182-20251208-pre-01-00-en.pdf Posted by: Newbie | Dec 12 2025 14:35 utc | 158 Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 12 2025 13:55 utc | 156 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 12 2025 14:37 utc | 159
. Posted by: seer | Dec 12 2025 14:41 utc | 160 US bases will appear to protect the private properties using public money. Posted by: arby | Dec 12 2025 14:52 utc | 161 I follow John Mearsheimer’s analysis, his interviews, lectures, and speeches before academic gatherings. His main thesis is that the west took a wrong turn after the collapse of the Soviet Union and continued expanding NATO despite objections from every Russian leader. So what are we now to make of a YouTube channel which appears to present Mearsheimer’s thesis as a steady stream of videos describing Russian failures (not actually happening in reality) but reflecting the hysteria of NATO and western leaders? Two giveaways are the name of the channel – Prof Jhon [sic] Analysis and the date of establishment of the channel – Dec 4, 2025. The titles of the videos on the thumbnail page are textbook rebutalls of Mearsheimer’s actual thesis and appear as if written by delusional supporters of NATO expansion. Posted by: Deskscape | Dec 12 2025 14:55 utc | 162 The West is doing what desperate people have always done, hoped for a Hail Mary, either a technological breakthrough (unlikely) or for their opponent to have a crisis (natural or induced). Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 12 2025 14:59 utc | 163 Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 12 2025 13:12 utc | 152 Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Dec 12 2025 15:01 utc | 164
. Posted by: seer | Dec 12 2025 15:14 utc | 165 Tyler Durden has picked up this piece today: Posted by: frithguild | Dec 12 2025 15:24 utc | 166 Posted by: frithguild | Dec 12 2025 15:24 utc | 169 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 12 2025 15:33 utc | 167
Posted by: Markw | Dec 12 2025 15:37 utc | 168
Don’t do nothing. Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 12 2025 15:39 utc | 169 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 12 2025 15:33 utc | 170 Posted by: duck n cover | Dec 12 2025 15:41 utc | 170
. Posted by: seer | Dec 12 2025 15:48 utc | 171 *** All claims about Russo-Sino wedges are Western fantasy. *** Posted by: frithguild | Dec 12 2025 16:28 utc | 172 Posted by: Fredrick | Dec 12 2025 11:27 utc | 130 Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Dec 12 2025 16:38 utc | 173 Posted by: Fredrick | Dec 12 2025 11:27 utc | 130“.. The EU leaders extinguish Ukraine/Russian Slavs so that they can replace Rump Ukraine with African immigrants. ..”Ok, may be so one of a beside effect issue of EU’s vdL/Borell Blackrock puppets being desperate desperate to move anyway further against the Russian bear, but nothing like that “occupation by African refugees” would ever work anymore further then, after scaling current still-ongoing Europe’s economic desaster, day-by-day anyway ..!If it’s occur those like “immigrations” you mentioned above, no-one of EU tax-payers or even all of the Western youth in EU won’t accept that. Don’t forget that next elections in EU, held by “Each country” seperately would point to a very different policy concerning UKR- or elsewhere announced “War against Russia”.I know You know that. Only to emphazize what you said that.But, where those “Africans are supported from, then ? Posted by: spare_truth_03 | Dec 12 2025 16:40 utc | 174 The Busker is good this week, as always. One particularly good snippet from his text:
Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 12 2025 18:32 utc | 175 Is this a fake attack in Odessa – the official narrative is that Russia bombed a church – but watch the short clip and you’ll see something isn’t quite right about it. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 12 2025 19:28 utc | 176 Russian forces have captured Siversk’s, Donetsk region Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 12 2025 19:32 utc | 177 Ukrainian soldiers fighting in civilian clothes. Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 12 2025 19:32 utc | 178 NoBody Special, Posted by: exile | Dec 12 2025 20:03 utc | 179 Reuters: NATO’s Rutte warns allies they are Russia’s next target Posted by: Laurence | Dec 12 2025 21:47 utc | 180 duck n cover@173: Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 12 2025 21:55 utc | 181 Alexander Mercouris: ‘Denial & Defeat’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 12 2025 22:11 utc | 182 From Xinhuanet
On Friday, a forum dedicated to the International Year of Peace and Trust was held in Ashgabat. The event has drawn high-level delegations and representatives of international organizations. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 13 2025 6:49 utc | 183 That last sentence was suppose to be indented also….sigh Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 13 2025 6:50 utc | 184 Number one arse-licker – and Nato’s Lord Haw Haw, Mark Rutte, who calls Trump Daddy – says: Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 13 2025 15:59 utc | 185 I also read recently – that a Russian drone struck a Turkish vessel carrying generators at a port in Odessa. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 13 2025 16:14 utc | 186 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 13 2025 16:18 utc | 187 The US Terrorist State – could’ve prevented the war between Russia and Ukraine – if it had told the truth at the beginning – now its rep wants to tell the truth – to f*ckin late, I say. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 13 2025 16:23 utc | 188 Amanda Sloat posturing that the US didn’t want to involve itself in Ukraine’s business is beyond farcical. Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 13 2025 17:35 utc | 189 Alexander Mercouris: ‘Illegal Freeze’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 13 2025 20:02 utc | 190
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 13 2025 21:01 utc | 191 Alexander Mercouris: ‘Illegal Freeze’ https://www.youtube.com/@AlexMercouris/videos “EU giant illegal step; Russian assets indefinitely frozen; Moscow takes court action; Odessa blockade” Posted by: arby | Dec 13 2025 23:26 utc | 192 arby@196 Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 14 2025 2:36 utc | 193 Zelensky is Buying Time – Andrey Telizhenko Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 14 2025 2:39 utc | 194 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 13 2025 16:23 utc | 192 Posted by: Multipolarbear | Dec 14 2025 4:20 utc | 195 Arestovych in 2019 spelling the whole program of what would likely happen before anything happened. Posted by: Multipolarbear | Dec 14 2025 4:34 utc | 196 The best account of the period 2014 — 2022 that I’ve seen is from Jacques Baud — Operation Z Posted by: Steve from oz | Dec 14 2025 4:56 utc | 197 Posted by: Multipolarbear | Dec 14 2025 4:34 utc | 200 Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 14 2025 9:00 utc | 198 Back to normal range AFU casualties 1.450, but the year will close near 500.000 while 2024 closed near 600.000 Posted by: Newbie | Dec 14 2025 13:32 utc | 199 I have seen a report here in the UK that four Russian soldiers have been jailed for murdering Texas Russel Bentley, i remember him from the early days fighting with the DPR militia, does anyone know what the hell went on with this guy that Russian soldiers thought he needed to be killed? maybe there is something i am missing. Posted by: Oracle | Dec 16 2025 4:51 utc | 200 |
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