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December 11, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-285

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Bringing this from the tail end of the previous Open thread:
 
Seversk liberation officially confirmed by Gerasimov: https://sputnikglobe.com/20251211/russian-forces-liberate-seversk—general-staff-chief-reports-to-putin-1123277816.html

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 17:56 utc | 1

Great to read that Siversk has been liberated already. 
Watch the Western press bury that…
Meanwhile we’ll hear all about how Ukraine just needs some more cash to win.

Posted by: Truthsayer | Dec 11 2025 18:10 utc | 2

Quote of the day:
 

‘The mental health of European leaders raises doubts about how useful they can be in negotiations on Ukraine’ – Lavrov. – https://t.me/vicktop55/38516

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 11 2025 18:22 utc | 3

Ok Bar, how long would it take our ‘ leaders’ in Europe to actually steal the Russian state assets in Euroclear ? 
 
Lots of talk about this and as far as I can see it would require the activation of emergency powers by the EU. Then they have to make a transfer of cash which would presumably be raised on the bond markets. The Russian money is the collateral.
 
Anyone care to elucidate?
JB

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Dec 11 2025 18:29 utc | 4

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Dec 11 2025 18:29 utc | 4

The more they talk about it, the less likely it’s going to happen. Because these parasites and sociopaths always compensate lack of ability with talking.
 
That said, there are news that Trump is seeking to dissect the EU into parts, by stripping Hungary, Slovakia, Italy and Poland out of the EU.
 
The more they talk about stealing assets the more likely that will succeed. The more they talk about EU tax payers picking up the full bill of Ukraine funding, the more likely that will succeed.  ECB is already begging Italy not to talk its gold out of ECB jurisdiction (this would start an uncontrollable spiral leading to the destruction of the Euro).

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2025 18:35 utc | 5

The problem with the nation state system is that each nation is divided into the few and the many .  The few use the government they control to keep the many safely separated from the few and always in a state of dependence and just over broke.  Unless and until the many exercise their collective bottom-up power governments will always serve the few at the expense of the many. 
 
If there were only one government would there be wars? 
 
 

Posted by: snake | Dec 11 2025 18:36 utc | 6

The Russian money is the collateral.
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Dec 11 2025 18:29 utc | 4
There is no Russian money in Euroclear. The Russian assets have the form of Euro bonds. The EU already spent the money they got for the bonds. They just won’t pay their debts. And probably try to issue new bonds to sell to other gullible  investors. Which might be harder than they imagine.

Posted by: Martina | Dec 11 2025 18:42 utc | 7

Ok Bar, how long would it take our ‘ leaders’ in Europe to actually steal the Russian state assets in Euroclear ?

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Dec 11 2025 18:29 utc | 4
 
Here’s a Russian take, posted by Andrei Martyanov a couple of days ago:

The capital of Belgium is Brussels. Also, Brussels is the capital of EU. Brussels asks Brussels not to steal Russian money, but Brussels insists. With it, Brussels is afraid that Brussels will pass the responsibility for stealing money on to Brussels

https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/12/about-russian-frozen-stolen-assets.html
 
Personally I think they will “bottle it”, faced with too many legal and geo-economic consequences regardless of emergency powers. The ECB, just one powerful lobby, has made their adamant opposition crystal-clear more than once. Euroclear themselves have basically said “Over their dead bodies”, which will be the outcome for that organisation, should the EU be foolish or desperate enough.
 
And wouldn’t the emergency powers themselves require unanimous agreement to initiate/implement? Must admit it’s news to me that such things even existed, let alone the legislation or treaties that enable such a process.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 18:43 utc | 8

^ @3
 
…adding, shout out to Lavrov. I know, not very diplomatic, but very catchy:
 
Fite Dem Back

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 11 2025 18:44 utc | 9

Anatolii Sharii: ‘There will be no elections just like there will be no peace.’
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ili6mSOPqm4
 
“What’s going on with the negotiations…?”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 11 2025 18:45 utc | 10

Civil disobedience. Rolling strikes. Boycott everything American.
A people’s revolution.
 

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 11 2025 18:47 utc | 11

EU Rushes To Secure Russian Assets Under Emergency Powers, Bypassing Hungary Veto
 
…Ursula von der Leyen is seeking to use a loophole to rush this through,  invoking emergency powers to sanction the frozen assets on a permanent basis, instead of holding the funds based on current six-month renewals, which requires unanimous agreement from all member states…Von der Leyen’s scheme would allow for the plan to pass merely with a qualified majority, and so couldn’t be derailed by just a lone veto
– From ZH

As I said the other day, Russia needs to work an end of war deal that creates a border with Slovakia/Hungary that includes a hydrocarbon/shipping corridor and a security deal with said parties and Austria.  Slovakia/Hungary/Austria are very much at risk due to the machination of SS-Officer-von der Leyen.  All the mentioned parties need to prepare an exit route or have their borders erased.

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 11 2025 18:52 utc | 12

Following earlier post secret docs USA trying to get ,4 countries  away “from NATO ie Austria Hungary re posted beneath , also Bulgarian Gov resigned vos of corruption stuff…and any  news Serbia,????? So Georgia and Moldova quiet?
 
Poland is mighty cheesed off it has been excluded from the recent London meeting ZuK France Germany Ukraine
US defense website claims to have seen a leaked document unveiling a dramatic US proposal to prise four countries away from the European Union as part of a bold new ‘Make Europe Great Again’ strategy. 
The secret file, reported by Defense One, supposedly claims Trump intends to pull Austria, ItalyHungary and Poland away from the EU and closer in to Washington’s circle of influence – a move that would rip through the continent’s political landscape. 
The document is also said to call for the US to back parties and movements that ‘seek sovereignty and preservation/restoration of traditional European ways of life.’ 
The supposed leak comes just a week after the release of the official, 33-page National Security Strategy, which sparked debate for its stark warning that Europe faces ‘civilisational erasure’ and for suggesting it is ‘far from obvious whether certain European countries will… remain reliable allies.’

Posted by: Jo | Dec 11 2025 18:52 utc | 13

If there were only one government would there be wars?   
Posted by: snake | Dec 11 2025 18:36 utc | 6
Let’s follow that line of reasoning.  You want an even smaller group of elites with total global jurisdiction to “benevolantly” govern us?  If they wont do it at the nation state level what makes you think it would be any better?  In fact it would be worse because you would have nowhere to go or hide.
 
 

Posted by: Me | Dec 11 2025 18:56 utc | 14

Thanks to all for the replies…
The atmosphere is getting hot in Bruxelles….

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Dec 11 2025 19:05 utc | 15

@4
 
Irefrain from trying to think like the E 3 and EU “leadership”.
 
Not wish to think at their inane level.

Posted by: paddy | Dec 11 2025 19:09 utc | 16

Posted by: Me | Dec 11 2025 18:56 utc | 14
 
 
Let’s follow that line of reasoning.  You want an even smaller group of elites with total global jurisdiction to “benevolently” govern us?  If they wont do it at the nation state level what makes you think it would be any better?  In fact it would be worse because you would have nowhere to go or hide.
 
 
Thanks for the reply.. You seem to agree there would be no war if only one nation state existed.   Your argument is that even fewer elite would control the whole world.. My argument is that the distribution of the masses would be much broader and much more powerful and much more likely to act to limit the use of the government in ways the benefit the few over the many. 
 
 
I suggest bottom up power possessed by the governed mass would be active all of the time, global in nature and always threatening to the few. As such the elite would be reluctant to use the government in ways that benefit the few over the many. If you add the 2nd government idea to the equation, the freedom of the few to corrupt a government designed to benefit the masses would be highly limited and the efficiency of the 2nd government would be enhanced many, many times over. Furthermore projects would be global.. so roads, Rail roads, and airports, bridges, dams, nuclear power plants and the like would be built where they can improve the quality of life for the most number of people.. 
 
 
Further the distribution of top down highly restricted power inherent in a distributed, multinational set of governments would be abolished.. This would allow the global governed masses to concentrate their oversight efforts on the legislating and policing powers engaged in by the leaders of the central mono government.   The need for large standing armies would disappear.. this weakens further the power of the the leaders of the central government to engage in corruption and to use the government to enhance the lot of the few.. Also I think the idea of a two party political system will disappear.. as each nation will be presenting candidates for elections to the mono government. 
 
 
  
 

Posted by: snake | Dec 11 2025 19:27 utc | 17

From ZH Over 30 Kamikaze Drones Sent On Moscow Overnight, Shutting Down Airports Moar Cow Bell!!!!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 11 2025 19:30 utc | 18

Canada’s Defence Spending Ramps Up
 
https://x.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1999148926402732479
 
“The government of Prime Minister Goldman Sachs is spending money on weapons like a drunken sailor. It will spend up to $1 billion on tens (and possibly hundreds) of thousands of shiny new rifles. It also plans to flush $2.7 billion down the toilet to buy US-made HIMARS missile systems – the same missile systems that Russia has methodically destroyed in the Ukraine war.”
 
Canada Out of NATO/Ukraine – Down with Carney the best Canadian PM America ever had – Yves Engler for PM – 
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 11 2025 19:36 utc | 19

@ psychohistorian | Dec 11 2025 19:30 utc | 18
 
Interesting that ZH chooses to highlight that news, rather than the fall of Seversk.
 
Perhaps they are having trouble discerning which will have a more significant outcome for the SMO?
 
I certainly won’t be paying for Premium access there.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 19:36 utc | 20

Alexander Mercouris
 
https://www.youtube.com/@AlexMercouris/videos
 
“UK banks warn Starmer asset seizure plan illegal; Kiev energy close to collapse; Siversk, Huiliapole.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 11 2025 19:44 utc | 21

In response about ZH

I certainly won’t be paying for Premium access there.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 19:36 utc | 20

 
I agree and don’t give Reuters a login either.  I use the two of them as aggregators on a fairly timely level but have no doubt of their bias…..ZH does put out some decent stuff but Reuters is vile garbage always….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 11 2025 19:53 utc | 22

ZH was brutally shut down for being too independent some  years ago. It then reopened a few weeks later – toeing the Deep State line. The comments remain Independent and informative.
 
 

Posted by: Exile | Dec 11 2025 19:59 utc | 23

Is there any confirmation that Lyman has been reoccupied? Quite a surprise, I didn’t think the Russians were even near it yet.

Posted by: catdog | Dec 11 2025 20:12 utc | 24

@ Exile | Dec 11 2025 19:59 utc | 23
 
I used to regularly visit them, then, after the shutdown of advertising support from Google, I noticed a distinct change in the tone of many of their articles, in particular their reliance on the Epoch Times for reporting on China.
 
Anyway, before we get too far off-topic, we can compare minor fires at a Russian fertiliser plant with the possibility of a cooked dinner in Ukraine:

Ukrenergo warned about electricity restrictions for Friday, December 12. Shutdown schedules will be implemented again in Ukraine

This is reported by Ukrenergo, reports RegioNews .
 
It is noted that schedules of hourly shutdowns and power restrictions (for industry) will be introduced in all regions of Ukraine. The reason is the consequences of Russian attacks on energy facilities.
 

“Attention! The situation in the power grid may change. Time and scope of application of outages at your address-find out on the official pages of regional power companies in your region. When electricity is available on schedule, please consume it sparingly, ” the power engineers urge.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1765483098-vidklyuchennya-svitla-po-vsiy-ukrayini-v-ukrenergo-poperedili-pro-obmezhennya-na-12-grudnya (via translation add-on.)
 
I did see an actual schedule earlier, which showed power only being available for 8 hours out of any 24 hour period. Reminded me of mid-1970s Britain, 3-day weeks, sugar and bread shortages, intermittent electricity, TV closing at 2230 each evening.
 
Grim times.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 20:15 utc | 25

Posted by: Jo | Dec 11 2025 18:52 utc | 13
Yeah. The EU is acquiring amoeba authority – fission is becoming fashionable, ‘tension, apprehension and dissention have begun’ – to quote the late, great Alfred Bester. The end of Brussels braggadocio begins. Alliteration is all. 😳
 

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 11 2025 20:15 utc | 26

Is there any confirmation that Lyman has been reoccupied? Quite a surprise, I didn’t think the Russians were even near it yet.

Posted by: catdog | Dec 11 2025 20:12 utc | 24
 
As far as I can find, it is just Telegram rumours at the moment, though having said that, some of those channels seem to be quite well-informed.
 
Like Seversk, it is one that I will wait for official confirmation from the Russian Defence Ministry; the fog of war is swirling even thicker than usual at the moment.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 20:30 utc | 27

BlackRock CEO Fink is reportedly now taking part in Ukraine negotiation.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2025 20:31 utc | 28

In response to

Grim times.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 20:15 utc | 25

 
I doubt it will take much to reduce that 8 hours a day to zero for more regions and this may force the MAD conditional surrender instead of it happening militarily.
 
And it sure doesn’t look like negotiations are going anywhere.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 11 2025 20:32 utc | 29

Unimperator. @ 28
 
Fink is Wall Street. Kushner is Jewish lobby. They don’t share.
This news was to be expected..
 
Thank you Mr Unimperator for your posts. I always read them.

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 11 2025 20:46 utc | 30

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 20:15 utc | 25
 
<i>”mid-1970s Britain, 3-day weeks, sugar and bread shortages, intermittent electricity, TV closing at 2230 each evening. Grim times.”</i>
 
1970s Britain
a) still 98% white British
b) still had an industrial/manufacturing base, nearly all gone now
c) replacement birthrate
d) a male on median wage could afford to buy a house
e) AND support a wife at home rearing children
f) no food banks
g) pawnshops were something you read about in Victorian books, not something on every High Street
h) no people sleeping in shop doorways
 
I admit the electric shortages (miners strike) were a pain if you had kids to bath and keep clean. But the sugar price was great for our health, I gave up having sugar in my tea and never went back to it. 

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 11 2025 20:50 utc | 31

I think the Eurotards are racing the clock to freeze the Russian assets before an American peace deal so they can escalate – keep the Ukraine front open by sending money, and possibly widen it by officially shipping French troops to Odessa (possibly at the invitation of Zelenskyy) from Romania, and activating Moldova. There’s been a lot of activity in Romania and Moldova, including this :
https://eestieest.com/frances-3d-mapping-of-romanias-focsani-gate-might-not-really-be-for-defensive-purposes/
I think Macron’s idea is to keep escalating until Russia is forced to declare war to France. Since France has nuke, this would be a “drôle de guerre” like in 1939, nothing kinetic, but it would allow him to pass all kind of state of emergency laws and bailout the economy by selling French MIC products to frontline countries: Finland, the Baltics, Romania and Moldova.
This would be a good plan if the US could not flip Romania at will, thus neutering the smaller countries and turning France’s gambit in a humiliating failure.

Posted by: surrenderingmonkey | Dec 11 2025 20:59 utc | 32

@ YetAnotherAnon | Dec 11 2025 20:50 utc | 31
 
I’m not very good at implying things I guess, the comparison was looking at the downfall of the Heath government under such conditions, and comparing that with the prospects for a downfall of the Kiev junta, given the conditions increasingly prevailing in Ukraine.
 
Very much O/T here, but there is a potentially deep rabbit-hole that opens up, if one compares Heath as a bachelor, with his enthusiastic championing of Boy Scouts obtaining their Sailing badge on board his Morning Cloud private yacht…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 21:27 utc | 33

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 21:27 utc | 33
 
Yes quite
 
There were those allegations 10 or so years ago. Boys and boats if I recall.
 
It was part of a much wider set of allegations. A lot of people were caught up, including as I recall the Australian High Commission.
 
Yes they were officially debunked and disappeared off the radar, but like Winston Smith I have  a memory, although the detail now escapes me.  Nothing proven of course.

Posted by: watcher | Dec 11 2025 21:33 utc | 34

Isn‘t Morning Cloud a play on the phrase Morning Glory ? 
from urban dictionary…..Morning Glory means; To awaken with a boner so hard a cat couldn’t scratch it 
 

Posted by: Exile | Dec 11 2025 21:46 utc | 35

The crack pipe seems to be full over in Kiev. The latest “peace” counter-proposal is a real piece of work:

Ukraine’s latest peace plan proposes a demilitarized “free economic zone” in the Donbas region where American business interests could operate — an attempt to bring President Donald Trump on board, according to two people familiar with the matter.

So the rapidly shrinking remaining Donbas territory that isn’t occupied by Russia would become some sort of economic paradise, complete with no controlling legal authorities, land mines, and unexploded ordinance.  I bet businessmen are just chomping at the bit to sign up for that!
 
Ukraine hopes to entice Trump with a ‘free economic zone’ in latest peace plan – POLITICO
 
It’s all delusional crap.  Let me guess, the peace would be maintained in the “free economic zone” by NATO troops!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 11 2025 21:55 utc | 36

I have one question about one thing (particularly with the cleaning of prokovsk’s suburbs, taking Lyman and AFU counterattacks in kupiansk)
 
AFU casulaties 1.100s , ten days in a row.
 
Either there are a lot of surrenders not being presented or AWOLs through the roof.

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 11 2025 21:56 utc | 37

Seversk liberation officially confirmed by Gerasimov

Julian can add one more 50,000+ population city to his list. 

Posted by: Milton | Dec 11 2025 22:04 utc | 38

Western values in full geer trying to steal what is not belonging to them.
 
It looks like we have a stalemate here with little Belgium displaying fierce resistance.
 
In the meantime the Russian Army took Sieviersk (I announced it some 24 hours ago), Lyman (and progressing further), and the East side of Guliaipolie.
 
The trapped troops in the Dimitrov cauldron are either surrendering either being destroyed.
 
Corpses exchange: 11’000 against 201.  Ratio: almost 55 to 1.
 
Lavrov stated the truth: that is Odessa and Nikolaiev and Kherson were founded and built by Russians. Necessary to speak about restoration. Well, liberation will be also correct.
 
Medvedev: G7, C5, G20 etc. all those formats are loss of time.
 
In 2025, the military support of the western countries to Ukraine was the lowest since 2022.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 11 2025 22:08 utc | 39

Ukraine updates from a source with proven cred: https://nitter.net/AMK_Mapping_
(And I sorely miss the preview function, which I often didn’t properly utilise…. “Never know what you’ve  got until it’s gone” tra-la-dah) (ie, this comment would be in italics, in the past) 
Dec 11, 2025 · 11:40 AM UTC
§| The last Ukrainian defences in the besieged city of Myrnohrad are being breached by Russian forces, who have now entered the city centre. The parts of the pocket still under firm Ukrainian control have decreased to around 2.8 km², compared to ~36 km² at the beginning of the siege. Nevertheless, Russian FAB glide-bombs continue to strike the remaining blocks still under Ukrainian control. This video shows a FAB-1500 strike on a high-rise apartment building.
§| Dec 11, 2025 · 11:24 AM UTC
Over the last few days, the defence of Siversk has completely collapsed.
A fortress city that the Russians couldn’t reach for nearly 4 years is about to be captured after just a week of fighting.
If this isn’t a sign of how bad Ukraine’s manpower shortages have got, I don’t know what is.
Q: “Do you think that the collapse of Seversk had something to do with the fact that many reserves were brought from all over the front for the Ukrainian counter-offensive north of Pokrovsk?”
A: No response
Ginzo comments: “What about fucking kupiansk? Why cannot Russia liberate it? This is EMBARASSING. I don’t trust Putin the cuck”….. Can someone provide him the address of this bar? Some of our old hand trolls have vacated their drinking positions.
§| Dec 11, 2025 · 7:36 AM UTC
Overnight, around 8 Russian Geran-2 drones attacked energy infrastructure in Odesa City.
The target was likely the “Centrolit” 220 kV electrical substation (46.61796, 30.82342). A large fire subsequently broke out, resulting in power outages for parts of northern Odesa.
§| Dec 11, 2025 · 7:02 AM UTC
Last night, another combined missile and drone attack was carried out on the city of Kremenchuk, Poltava Oblast. Among the targets hit were the main power plant and the oil refinery.
NASA FIRMS picked up a large fire burning at the refinery, despite heavy cloud cover over the city. 3 Iskander-M ballistic missiles were launched from the vicinity of Kursk City, Kursk Oblast – one of which was equipped with a cluster warhead.
The Iskanders likely targeted the refinery. Approximately 50 Geran-2 drones were also used. They likely primarily targeted energy infrastructure.
Dec 10, 2025 · 2:49 PM UTC
New satellite imagery reveals that Russia has installed a large number of new hangars for storing Geran-2 drones at Donetsk International Airport.
Each of these hangars fits one drone and are used for storage right before launches are carried out.
Additionally, a total of 4 static ramp launchers are visible, along with one lane for vehicle-based launches.
These upgrades are part of a larger effort observed at various launch points aimed at facilitating for increased production rates of drones, allowing for increased numbers to be used during large-scale attacks.
——- remember when Down South provided daily grabs from telegram.
I miss that guy.
Of course, the trolls took their toll, and he posts no more.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 22:12 utc | 40

Julian can add one more 50,000+ population city to his list.

Posted by: Milton | Dec 11 2025 22:04 utc | 38
 
I dunno, Julian will probably add it to his list of “non-strategic, sleepy backwoods settlements” that Russia continues to liberate at a glacial pace…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 22:13 utc | 41

Either there are a lot of surrenders not being presented or AWOLs through the roof.Posted by: Newbie | Dec 11 2025 21:56 utc | 37
mockingbirds aren’t reporting anything about Ukraine-in-Europe in my Ukraine-in-the-South-Pacific.
And yes, telegram accounts have pics of surrenders. (I think with drones, the Russians kill more than they did when fighting by infantry.. there was more humanity …  IMVHO.)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 22:17 utc | 42

@JRL
how’d ya get the blockquote to work? I’ve only got clocks and thumbs and other emojis?>> I have never claimed to be a tech guy

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 22:24 utc | 43

Re: Posted by: Truthsayer | Dec 11 2025 18:10 utc | 2
 

Great to read that Siversk has been liberated already. Watch the Western press bury that…Meanwhile we’ll hear all about how Ukraine just needs some more cash to win.

 
 
 
“Already”!??
 
Siversk has been on the frontlines of this war for almost 4 years – perhaps even 12 if you want to take the longer view.
 
 It’s taken way too long.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 11 2025 22:27 utc | 44

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 11 2025 21:55 utc | 36
 
this is the delusion you get when people who think power flows from the mouth of lawyers are in charge.
they love those stupid scenes in movies where somebody gives a speech and suddenly everybody changes their minds.

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 22:28 utc | 45

Weeb Union Headlines.(I don’t have time/ inclination to watch any of these guys anymore…. I do a headline skim)
https://www.youtube.com/@WeebUnionWU
11 Dec 2025.  §| Final Ukrainian Positions Within Myrnohrad Collapse | Siversk Endgame
10 Dec 2025 §| Siversk & Kupyansk Face Simultaneous Disasters | Collapse Inevitable
7 Dec 2025 §| “Anything can happen” + “Decisive Battles Surrounding Several Critical Towns & Cities Across The Front”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 22:30 utc | 46

Can someone from the well-informed Moonkind Community give me some context for events in Bulgaria? I’m struggling to find in-depth analysis anywhere…can anyone point me to some links?

Posted by: Billy2Hats | Dec 11 2025 22:31 utc | 47

Hey guys, Julian is here … and …. He said the line… as predicted…
> what’s the saying about “speak of the devil”? 

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 22:33 utc | 48

Re: Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 11 2025 18:52 utc | 12
 

As I said the other day, Russia needs to work an end of war deal that creates a border with Slovakia/Hungary that includes a hydrocarbon/shipping corridor and a security deal with said parties and Austria.  Slovakia/Hungary/Austria are very much at risk due to the machination of SS-Officer-von der Leyen.  All the mentioned parties need to prepare an exit route or have their borders erased.

 
 
 
Ha – yes – doing this would constitute a Russian WIN in this conflict.
 
Anything short of this is at best a draw / stalemate.
 
If one takes the long-term view of this war.
 
In modern times – until 2014 – Russia effectively de facto controlled 100% of Ukraine – How much does Russia now control? Less than 25%.
In the last 12 years Russia has effectively lost 75%+ of Ukraine – do they accept this backward step or will they fight to regain it?
 
 
All indications are that Russia WILL NOT fight to regain most parts of Ukraine – so there will be no land corridor to Hungary & Slovakia – and maybe not even a land corridor to Transnistria!
 
IMV – that would make the SMO from a Russian POV a complete failure.
 
 

Posted by: Julian | Dec 11 2025 22:36 utc | 49

 It’s taken way too long.
Posted by: Julian | Dec 11 2025 22:27 utc | 44
Russia’s collapse and an oligarchical coup removing Putin from power is taking way too long.
retaking crimea is taking way too long.
ukraine taking back anything is taking way too long.
Bleeding russia to death is taking way too long.  55 to 1000 body exchange every time means Russia can do this forever.
 

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 22:39 utc | 50

@ Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 22:24 utc | 43
 
Use ‘Visual’ mode and click on the icon that looks like a filled-in 66. It will make the cursor move as it creates the indent for the blockquote, then copypaste, then hit “Enter/Return” twice and that should kill the indent.
 
 
What browser are you using? I’m not seeing any clocks here with Firefox.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 22:39 utc | 51

Clock one is bold. (Well fuck me)
clock two is italic. (I feel like a two year old with a fork discovering a powerpoint )
clock three  is underline. My goodness this is exciting 
clock four well waddya see there.

and the thumb? ….

  • And I’d been told  old dogs were beyond new tricks.

 

 

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 22:41 utc | 52

In modern times – until 2014 – Russia effectively de facto controlled 100% of Ukraine – How much does Russia now control? Less than 25%.
Posted by: Julian | Dec 11 2025 22:36 utc | 49
Farcical talking point, which you and your socks trot out over and over again, regardless of how absord it is.
If Russia had, 100% control of Ukraine before 2014, it would havve banned all the NGOs in ukraine that it had banned in Russia.  Victoria Nuland wouldnt be there to hand out cookies, and the Ukrainian Army would have arrested the coup plotters while they were still in planning stages, it wouldnt be paying transit fees for the pupelines… i could list a thousand other reason why your statement is over the top RETARDED.
 

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 22:45 utc | 53

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 11 2025

18:47 utc | 11

I’ve long stopped buying anything from the overpriced, extremely expensive freight charges US. Much of what you can buy from there you can get from China without having to pay for American parasitic rent seeking for the same products anyway.

I’m noticing that a number of US companies like PayPal are running advertising and marketing blitzes to drum up business, but since Ukraine and their obvious political support for US interests only they can get lost.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 11 2025 22:48 utc | 54

It’s no longer speculation – Zelensky and Yermak have already set up their escape routes to Tel Aviv.

 
British, Israeli, and Bahamian passports for Zelenskyy and Yermak were found at Yermak’s residence. The NABU anti-corruption investigators also found 14 million dollars in cash and information about offshore accounts.
 
On November 28, NABU conducted searches in Yermak’s premises as part of an investigation into corruption in the corruption case in the Ukrainian energy sector. On the same day, Zelenskyy announced that Yermak had submitted his resignation.
 
On December 11, details about the search were published: in addition to documents and electronic devices, the former head of the presidential administration had 14 million dollars in cash, data on bank transfers to offshore accounts worth 2.6 billion dollars, and a set of passports that were seized.
 
Passports from Israel, the United Kingdom, Saint Kitts and Nevis, and the Bahamas in the name of Volodymyr Zelenskyy, passports from the United Kingdom, Saint Kitts, and the Bahamas in the name of Yermak himself, as well as a set of passports in the name of Mindych.
 

https://x.com/white_lenka/status/1999199340506530174

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2025 22:50 utc | 55

JRL I guessed it was my device …and I don’t update so eventually I have access problems … I use a device until it dies and then get a new one. Sometimes it can be years between devices, or 6 months – if some inattentive clown immerses it in water… 
this one is on the way out, … but I might get another year out of it… 

  1. still playing with my icons 
  2. the typewriter is a list maker..whoo hoo!

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 22:51 utc | 56

Posted by: Julian | Dec 11 2025 22:36 utc | 49
 
#######
 
In modern times, until 2022, France controlled West Africa.
 
Now, Russia basically controls West Africa.
 
No one cares about Ukraine. No one.
 
Russia isn’t trying to conquer Ukraine (which you have been told dozens of times at MoA, but which you autistically choose to ignore).
 
Russia is removing the NATO threat via Ukraine. Next up is Finland.
 
As long as NATO is being demilitarized and cannot pose a substantive threat to Russia, Putin is winning. The European economies are collapsing, and China is blocking access to vital rare earth materials, which means that NATO cannot rearm until the Axis says it can.
 
Time is not on the Nazis’ side.
 
Now, define the victory conditions for NATO…
 
And how are they doing pursuing those?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 11 2025 22:51 utc | 57

@ Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 22:41 utc | 52
 
Underline has been broken from the start, but apart from that, the rest is not so scary after all.
 
Certainly not as scary/deluded as those who demand that Russia works to a timetable, imposed by the deluded, who then complain that Russia hasn’t met a totally artificial and deluded timetable, therefore Russia must be wrong… (not aimed at you BTW.)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 11 2025 22:53 utc | 58

Hey Julian…. If Putin is a failure….Is this what success looks like? 

The U.S. Navy has confirmed that Boeing’s MQ-25 Stingray will not fly in 2025 as planned.
The first flight of the aircraft is now expected in early 2026, as teams finish systems testing, certification, engine runs, and software checks.The delay follows months of optimistic projections from Navy and Boeing officials, who repeatedly insisted the drone would fly by the end of 2025.
Program timelines have slipped roughly two years, with Initial Operational Capability now projected as late as FY2027

 
https://nitter.net/clashreport/status/1998999521955656033

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 23:03 utc | 59

LoveDonbass | Dec 11 2025 22:51 utc | 57
 
“Whatever happens, they have got
The rare earth magnets, and we have not”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 11 2025 23:05 utc | 60

Those “frozen” Russian assets are melting minds…
 

Trump administration has given Europe a one-page plan to rebuild Ukraine using about $200 billion in frozen Russian assets, while also outlining a pathway to reintegrate Russia’s economy with major U.S. investment.

 

The proposal has triggered a serious clash with European allies, who view parts of the plan as unrealistic or reminiscent of “Yalta-style” power carving.

 

Long-term goal: reintegrate Russia into the global economy with U.S. companies investing in energy, rare earths, Arctic oil, etc.

 

Europe rejects restoring Russian energy flows and fears Trump’s plan revives Russia economically.

 
https://nitter.net/clashreport/status/1998997530730721714

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 23:08 utc | 61

Sversk Falls…
 
https://rumble.com/v72w82y-calling-for-a-referendum-is-a-declaration-of-defeat-elijah-magnier.html
 
“Calling for a referendum is a declaration of defeat.’ – Elijah Magnier
 
 
Canada in Ukraine: ‘Slava Ukraini – Heroiam Slava!
 
https://x.com/CanEmbUkraine/status/199904969994986424
 
Canada’s Banderite Ambassador Natalka Cmoc:  lies and sieg heils…
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 11 2025 23:08 utc | 62

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2025 22:50 utc | 55
 
It’s the entire point and plan of having an Israel = the modern example of a highly defended and secured imperialist state for billionaires replete with a GAZA holiday frontage on the Mediterranean.  A fortress state where billionaires can protect their lifestyles away from the neo-feudal plebs they can exploit or even slaughter with impunity if they want.  That’s what is behind ‘Zionist’ Israel as far as I can see it now. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 11 2025 23:10 utc | 63

Air defenses are nowadays obsolete against stealth technology. The article explains why US air supremacy dominates the modern era of war. China seems to be catching up. Is Russia lagging behind?
https://en.topwar.ru/274771-jera-tradicionnyh-zrk-zakonchilas-navsegda.html?utm_referrer=topwar.ru

Posted by: Emi | Dec 11 2025 23:10 utc | 64

Canada in Ukraine (corrected)
https://x.com/CanEmbUkraine/status/1999049699949486424

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 11 2025 23:11 utc | 65

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 11 2025 23:08 utc | 62
 
Military Summary claims Lyman has gone too. https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 11 2025 23:14 utc | 66

The article explains why US air supremacy dominates the modern era of war.
——–
lolwut?  
against jihadis in sandals with aks is the only real world place ive seen any US air supremacy, and the US sucks at that… or air supremacy is vastly overrated.  what did 20 years of absolute air supremacy get usa in afghanistan?

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 23:17 utc | 67

An elegant compare and contrast…
What the warpigs said about Iraq then, and what the warpigs are saying about Venezuela now.
https://nitter.net/MyLordBebo/status/1999201870435279034

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 23:19 utc | 68

Posted by: Emi | Dec 11 2025 23:10 utc | 64
 
Actually there are stories all over the internet (too many to link here) that explain stealth technology is somewhat of a myth but not all myth. It’s a cat and mouse game that is continually being exploited and subject to vulnerabilities that have to be corrected on devices that use it for protection, and air defence systems as well. Don’t underestimate Russia or China who are rapidly becoming far more advanced in such technologies and we do not actually fully know what they can and can’t do.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 11 2025 23:25 utc | 69

Mmmm,, that free Venezuelan oil tastes so…. addictive.
 
The U.S. is preparing to intercept more ships transporting Venezuelan oil following the seizure of a tanker this week, as it increases pressure on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, six sources familiar with the matter said on Thursday. – Reuters
———

Department of State Principal Deputy spokesperson: “Today, the United States is sanctioning four individuals and six entities, and identifying six vessels, for propping up Maduro’s corrupt and illegitimate regime in Venezuela. These sanctions target three of Maduro’s nephews, two of whom are convicted narco-traffickers. Today’s action also targets Venezuela’s oil sector, including a businessman and six shipping companies, and identifies six vessels as blocked property.”

 
https://nitter.net/AZ_Intel_/status/1999209685560267115

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 23:26 utc | 70

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 23:26 utc | 70
 
there is a thread about venezuela today…

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 23:35 utc | 71

The annual Kremlin cadet ball.
[Warning: maybe too sweet for some]
https://nitter.poast.org/M_Simonyan/status/1998856414283092412
 
Meanwhile right now, here in Oz, graduating high school students are drinking and drugging themselves to oblivion during the “traditional” *schoolies week* (now a month) on Gold Coast beaches…. Or in Bali, Fiji or Thailand because Australia is too expensive and too restrictive.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 23:38 utc | 72

Bleeding russia to death is taking way too long.  55 to 1000 body exchange every time means Russia can do this forever. 
Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 22:39 utc | 50
 
You got it wrong, it is 55 to 1.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 11 2025 23:45 utc | 73

Konstantinovka will soon be in a cauldron.
Syrsky wants to throw there more forces than at Krasnoarmeisk.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 11 2025 23:47 utc | 74

Killnet has published an interactive map of Ukraine showing the locations of factories producing drones.
Boom, boom, boom to come sooner or later…

Posted by: Naive | Dec 11 2025 23:49 utc | 75

Liberation of Sieviersk was the result of FAB heavy bombings. For instance FAB3000. Boom bada boom.
 
By the way the ukronazis gave up counting the desertions: too many and not useful – for them!!! – to publish the data.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 11 2025 23:52 utc | 76

In Kiev, electricity is on 4 hours/day.
 
Larry Fink is coming in to take his part of what is left of 404.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 11 2025 23:54 utc | 77

You got it wrong, it is 55 to 1.
Posted by: Naive | Dec 11 2025 23:45 utc | 73
So…. you are saying there is a chance?
😛

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 23:58 utc | 78

Ukraine future 1.  Military collapse
 
Ukraine future 2.  Societal collapse
 
Ukraine future 3.  Negotiated settlement
 
 
I am currently thinking that future 2 is more likely than the other two.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 12 2025 0:08 utc | 79

So…. you are saying there is a chance?😛
Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 23:58 utc | 78
 
Of course there is always a chance… to surrender… for the other side.
 
The Russians are sending by artillery leaflets explaining how to surrender safely, that is if the ukronazis will not try to assassinate them.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 12 2025 0:23 utc | 80

Re: Posted by: Milton | Dec 11 2025 22:04 utc | 38
 

Julian can add one more 50,000+ population city to his list. 

 
 
 
Er, sorry to break it to you Milton – Siversk is a small town – it is certainly no “city”.
 

In January 2022, Siverks had an estimated population of 10,875.[1]

 
 
 

Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 0:24 utc | 81

Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 0:24 utc | 81
 
lol, I knew Julian would hop on that.
 
my lord, the city walls have been breached!  The battering ram has broken through the city gates!
 
What?  The battering ram just busted the city gates open?  That’s not a wall, its a gate.  Gates are made of wood, not stone.  Everything is surely fine then.

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 0:36 utc | 82

——- remember when Down South provided daily grabs from telegram.I miss that guy.Of course, the trolls took their toll, and he posts no more.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 11 2025 22:12 utc | 40
First of all thanks for the tip about the FABs, too many FABs, probably nothing to count , “fewer” casualties.
 
Second I usually took some time to get some of the solid stuff, lately not so much
 
For news, if you’re willing, try checking out the DD preview (when it’s not closed)
 
https://t.me/s/DDGeopolitics
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 12 2025 0:40 utc | 83

Er, sorry to break it to you Milton – Siversk is a small town – it is certainly no “city”. 

In January 2022, Siverks had an estimated population of 10,875.[1]

   
Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 0:24 utc | 81
 
Tis but a flesh wound 

Posted by: arby | Dec 12 2025 0:55 utc | 84

Tis but a flesh wound 
Posted by: arby | Dec 12 2025 0:55 utc | 84Is this the same thing where cities would be “impregnable fortress-cities” and you’d think that the Russians were battling to take King’s Landing from GOT, or Zion from the Matrix, but then as soon as the city either was about to fall or already fallen, suddenly it was a tiny little hamlet? And they make it sound like the town is basically ten or so straw-roofed houses with a single dirt road passing through there. Bonus points for linking the pre-war population.

Posted by: Stark | Dec 12 2025 1:06 utc | 85

Emi // 64
 
In 1999, Serbians using a 1950s Soviet truck mounted air defense system shot down a U.S. F-117 stealth ground attack aircraft.  The Serbians detected the aircraft at about 14 miles and launched two missiles at the oncoming stealth aircraft.  The first missile failed to detonate.  The second used a proximity fuse, detonated, and brought the aircraft down.
 
The F-117 maximized its stealth from the front.  This made the detection of the aircraft which was flying towards the old, but upgraded, mobile air defense  system so shocking.
 
However, the U.S. Air Force had anticipated stealth would become irrelevant and had designed its F-22 to operate even if it no longer had protection from enemy radars.  That is why the F-22 was designed with high maneuverability.  That way it would still be able to win traditional visual air to air dog fights 
 
The F-35 is an entirely different story.  The U.S. Air Force planned to design a cheap, simple, rugged, and reliable ground attack aircraft with an air to air capability to replace the F-16.  The Air Force’s design philosophy was to make a basic aircraft that could to easily modified and improved with each new production run.  Although it had stealth features, the Air Force assumed stealth was on its way out.  The next thing they knew, the civilian national leadership began directing the Air Force to transform their simple project into a high priced, overly complex, maintenance nightmare.  The F-35 project was the moment the U.S. national leadership openly revealed that they had no interest in protecting the national population.  Instead they intended to use weapons development projects to funnel money to their friends.
 
Long response, but the point is stealth is one small factor in air warfare.  In fact, it is getting less and less relevant, but the traditional values of reliability, maintainability, ease of use, and flyability remain.
 

Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 12 2025 1:06 utc | 86

What they need to do is put the Ukrainian city’s pre-war population next to, say, the population of Berlin, Paris, NYC, London, etc. just for comparison, I feel like there’s some psychology behind there that’ll say “this number is so much smaller than the bigger number that even though we’re comparing megacities and/or capitals – in the Europeans’ case, some of which have been around for hundreds of years – this Ukrainian city must really be tiny and irrelevant, look how easily it’d fit in one of <larger city’s> suburbs! The Russians really took all that time just to take some podunk neighborhood hahahah”

Posted by: Stark | Dec 12 2025 1:09 utc | 87

In modern times – until 2014 – Russia effectively de facto controlled 100% of Ukraine – How much does Russia now control? Less than 25%. Posted by: Julian | Dec 11 2025 22:36 utc | 49
 
i could list a thousand other reason why your statement is over the top RETARDED. Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 22:45 utc | 53

Later he would say that Russia in 2025 cointrolld the whole USA, so it still will be a loss.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Dec 12 2025 1:45 utc | 88

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 22:39 utc | 50
 
😆`

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 12 2025 2:06 utc | 89

Posted by: Poslan1 | Dec 12 2025 1:45 utc | 88
 
cuz the president was an agent of Putin! 

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 2:11 utc | 90

H/t Newbie | Dec 12 2025:40 utc | 83
I once had DDGeopolitics stored on my tabs…. But then it was seemingly permanently locked/closed/wouldn’t open and I discarded it.
Here’s a bit on the Russian assets.
The Eurotards and TrumpTeamTrix are like junkies dreaming of a bit financial hit ….
The temptation to steal is feverish. Eventually it’ll out weigh the fear of Russian retaliation.
I don’t even like popcorn, but I might figuratively indulge if /when that happens
 
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/167255

British banks, following French banks, have opposed plans to use about $11 billion of frozen Russian assets to aid Ukraine, according to the Financial Times.
They say the British government has not offered them compensation for possible retaliatory measures from Moscow – government is setting a new precedent, as it has never confiscated assets in this way before, and the banks are concerned about potential law suits

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 12 2025 2:49 utc | 91

Re: Posted by: UWDude | Dec 11 2025 22:45 utc | 53
 

Farcical talking point, which you and your socks trot out over and over again, regardless of how absord it is.If Russia had, 100% control of Ukraine before 2014, it would havve banned all the NGOs in ukraine that it had banned in Russia.  Victoria Nuland wouldnt be there to hand out cookies, and the Ukrainian Army would have arrested the coup plotters while they were still in planning stages, it wouldnt be paying transit fees for the pupelines… i could list a thousand other reason why your statement is over the top RETARDED. 

 
 
 
Fine – Go back to 1991 then if it makes you feel better.
 
 It’s been a longer, slower, process of losing control of Ukraine.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 2:51 utc | 92

“I have one question about one thing (particularly with the cleaning of prokovsk’s suburbs, taking Lyman and AFU counterattacks in kupiansk) AFU casulaties 1.100s , ten days in a row. Either there are a lot of surrenders not being presented or AWOLs through the roof.”
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 11 2025 21:56 utc |
I think the ‘barrier detachments’ will account for a small, but not insignificant amount of those 1,100 AFU casualties. 
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Posted by: Peter4805 | Dec 12 2025 2:54 utc | 93

Fine – Go back to 1991 then if it makes you feel better.
 
Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 2:51 utc | 93
you right.
fuckin putin should have nuked England in 1991, what the hell was he thinking?   He didnt lift a finger!  What a fucking traitor!

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 2:55 utc | 94

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 2:55 utc | 95
 
whoa, whoa, whoa, uwdude, 1991?  Putun should have nuked England in 1917 when it first formed as an independent state.  That was when we should have all noticed what a fool Putin is.

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 2:59 utc | 95

Re: Posted by: arby | Dec 12 2025 0:55 utc | 84

Tis but a flesh wound 

 
 
This is correct.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 3:01 utc | 96

Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 3:01 utc | 97
can you promise to come here and tell us that about Odessa when the Russian flag is flying over the Trade Union Hall in a couple years, please?
 
Please?

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 3:03 utc | 97

Re: Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 3:03 utc | 98

can you promise to come here and tell us that about Odessa when the Russian flag is flying over the Trade Union Hall in a couple years, please? Please?

 
 
I will be pleasantly surprised to see that happen.
 
 
As I’ve said many times – and I ain’t Robinson Crusoe on this – I fully expect Putin to sign Minsk 3.0 – and it won’t include Odessa (but it obviously should include Odessa).
 
 At least you have provided a realistic time period on this happening – 2 years from now is more than enough time.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 3:06 utc | 98

Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 3:01 utc | 97
explain why the Ujrainians let themselves be surrounded in slo motion for months at Pokrivsk rather than fall back and save themselves for a fight at a stronger position.
 
I thought about it, and came to the conclusion:
 

  1.  they are just stupid.. or…
  2.  they know there is not a more favorable position to fall back to, even with an additional reinforcement of over a thousand hardened soldiers.

Figure it out Julian   All your worst nightmares will come true. All of them.  And i wont cry if we hear you found yourself a new tie to wear for the rest of your life for your last  dance under the chandelier

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 3:11 utc | 99

Posted by: Julian | Dec 12 2025 3:06 utc | 99
 
yeah, putin has been fooled into minsk 3.0, as you have predicted for the past three years.  you must have the blood of the oracles in you.

Posted by: UWDude | Dec 12 2025 3:12 utc | 100