Update. The Axios report brought a response from a person who has inside information in the US who said that the security guarantee issue was discussed at the Witkoff meeting and a new proposal was put on the table.
The US would guarantee the security but it would be Israel Army boots on the group in the buffer zone. This proposal was broke red by Jared Kushner.
All I have been told was that the Russian side found the proposal “interesting”
 
I am sorry that nobody will agree to confirm the details.  They say oif they do then it is a “leak” and the idea is to get Russian agreement before the proposal is made public. In other words don’t tell the EU who would be paying and would want a day in what they are paying for.
 
It is indeed curious. Maybe true, maybe not. But I am sure that a security guarantee proposal was put on the table at the last Witkoff meeting in Moscow and that it was brokered by Kushner.
US wants Zelinsky to sign off on the proposal to make it work. .Maybe this is a feint but it seems to have excited the insiders to the negotiations.
 

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 7 2025 11:29 utc | 3

Wrt Syrsky, did you see that short video of him during an honoring of soldiers a month ago? He seems in very poor physical condition, visibly shaken, almost like he had a stroke, after a shell-shock, or even early stage of Parkinson. It’s from 0:31ff https://x.com/runews/status/1985679827748143143

Posted by: v | Dec 7 2025 11:52 utc | 5

German regime media absolutely flipping out about the Trump peace feelers in the Ukrainian Civil War. Painting the entire US Administration as greedy businessmen with no morals.  Hand Wringing and whining 

Posted by: exile | Dec 7 2025 12:02 utc | 7

The Duran
Morale breaks, panic spreads, big cauldron forming w/ Stanislav Krapivnik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5FpsE9joEk

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 7 2025 12:25 utc | 9

Any peace plan to end the war in Ukraine must take into account the following:
 
IN 2014 THE UNITED STATES CONDUCTED A COUP IN UKRAINE.
 
In 2014 the United States (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the democratically elected Yanukovich government which was considered insufficiently pro-Europe).
 
Many in Eastern Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government sent in the military to deal with the eastern rebels.
 
The media claimed, and still claims, that the U.S. backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they champion (vigorously support) a march to the Russian border.
 
WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
Imagine that in 2014 Russia (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the Yanukovich government which many considered too pro-Europe).
 
Many in Western Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government called in the Russian military to deal with the western rebels.
 
Of course, to be consistent, the media would have to claim that the Russian backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and that they championed a march of the Russian military to the Polish border.
 
The important point is that statements such as “Ukraine will not give up any of its land,” and “Zelenski Rejects Giving Land” make no sense.
 
This is because the coup-government, and its successors, never established authority over all of Ukraine.
 
WHAT IF THE CHINESE HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
What if the Chinese (aligned with a leftist/communist faction in the Ukrainian government) had conducted a coup in Kiev. Would this give them authority over all of Ukraine?
 
What is the legal situation?
 
A few notes on the 2014 Coup in Ukraine.
 
A few days before the coup the US Under/Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, was taped telling US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, why she wanted Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be the prime minister of the upcoming coup-government, rather than the boxer Vitali Klitschko who was apparently the favorite for the position.
 
The Russians released the tape to the internet. Some thought this would stop the coup going ahead.
 
However, the coup went ahead, Nuland’s order was carried out, and Yatsenyuk got the job of prime minister.
 
Klitschko got the job of mayor of Kiev.
 
Everyone in sight (except possibly Tyahnybok) was a Jew but you are not allowed to call it a Jew coup.
 
You are allowed to call it a Nazi coup though.
 
All this led directly to the 2014 coup-Ukraine vs rebel-Ukraine civil war,
 
which led to the 2022 coup-Ukraine-NATO vs rebel-Ukraine-Russia war.

Posted by: Jon | Dec 7 2025 12:44 utc | 11

Meanwhile the Coalition of the Energy-Deficient meet in London. 
 
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/dec/06/zelenskyy-to-meet-starmer-at-downing-street-to-discuss-us-draft-peace-deal
 
I could write the press release myself.
  

“Europe must stand together against Putin’s expansionist agenda”
“Ukraine must get the weapons it needs”
“United States must remain our key ally”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 7 2025 12:51 utc | 13

Russia should declare tankers delivering to England or insured by Lloyd’s of London  a ‘shadow fleet’ and start randomly droning/sinking them.
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 7 2025 12:56 utc | 14
 
Pay, through anonymous channels, a bounty on them 😀
 
But if things go to “state of war” maybe issue lettres de marque (open an office in somalia, another in the west coast of africa and maybe another in venezuela)
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 7 2025 13:08 utc | 15

Why should governed humanity allow the leaders of governments to extract from those they govern, the little bit of wealth the governed possess? 
 
 
  If the governed masses refused 
 
1) to pay taxes  
 
 2) to work for a government that engages its people or spends its taxpayer money to support a war or to build military strength?   
 
3) to join the nation’s team on the field of war?  
 
4) to allow a factory supplying the tools of war to operate?  
 
5) to allow media to fund itself from advertising?  
 
 
War is the name for the industry that profits from killing humans.  T__ F___
 
 
  
 
 
Why do the leaders of the various nations seek the benefits of war?    
 
 
If there were only one nation would there be war?   
 
 
Why are there no anti war candidates to vote for?    
 
 
Why is narrative control (accomplished by media) so important?   
 
 
The nation state systems divides humanity into teams (called nations).
 
 
 
 
 
Each nation state leader selects, trains, arms and fields its respective team (governed masses) to face the team (governed masses) of the other nation. 
 
 
As the game proceeds, the governed masses destroy each other until the leaders of one of the nations is declared king of the mountain.    
 
 
Bottom up pressure(the masses) vs top down demand(the few).   
Posted by: snake | Dec 7 2025 7:16 utc | 188

Posted by: snake | Dec 7 2025 13:15 utc | 17

Painting the entire US Administration as greedy businessmen with no morals. 
Posted by: exile | Dec 7 2025 12:02 utc | 7

 
Well that painting with such an accuracy it looks like a photo …

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 7 2025 13:26 utc | 19

Can only steal Russian central bank assets once.
 
Can only blow up dams and bridges once.
 
Lots of Hail Marys culminating in the NAFO swamp. Winning!!1

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 7 2025 13:39 utc | 21

unimperator | Dec 7 2025 13:46 utc | 22
No trace on the ICJ website of this alleged ICJ decision of 5th December.
Can we have a better link than the X-account of an activist?

Posted by: ortelio | Dec 7 2025 14:10 utc | 23

“German regime media absolutely flipping out about the Trump peace feelers in the Ukrainian Civil War. Painting the entire US Administration as greedy businessmen with no morals. Hand Wringing and whining

Posted by: exile | Dec 7 2025 12:02 utc | 7”

Yet another case of projection, as western nations form up a circular firing squad.

Posted by: Mike R | Dec 7 2025 14:39 utc | 25

Posted by: ortelio | Dec 7 2025 14:10 utc | 23

There doesn’t seem to be a press release on ICJ website. The information was derived from Russian FM’s website, where there is a press release. It’s unlikely they would lie about such an ICJ decision.
 
Maybe ICJ finds the issue to sensitive to publicize?

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 7 2025 14:49 utc | 27

Mexico supports Claudia Scheinbaum
Telesur reports on a recent Scheinbaum rally of 600,000 hailing “the Fourth Transformation” initiated by AMLO in 2018. The 1st was Mexico’s independence from Spain in 1810, 2nd Benito Juarez’s defeat of French occupiers in 1860s, 3rd the Mexican revolution 1910-20.
“Sheinbaum greeted the thousands of young people who joined the march and the rally. Their presence, she stressed, demonstrates that despite ongoing attempts at media manipulation, youth in Mexico largely support the transformation of public life and are willing to defend it in the streets and at the ballot box.”
Every Mexican I know supports Scheinbaum/AMLO. Truck drivers, factory workers, tradesmen, one goat herder.
 
 
https://www.telesurenglish.net/mexican-fourth-transformation/

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 7 2025 14:56 utc | 29

For Z. quite simply to fulfill agreement with the Kremlin …
 

During his trip to India on Thursday, Putin told local media that Russia would push Ukrainian troops out of Donbass by force if they refused to withdraw. He previously said that in order to achieve a lasting peace,
 
▪️Ukraine must recognize Russia’s new borders and
▪️drop its bid to join NATO in favor of permanent neutrality.

 
So Zelenskyy is set to talk to European leaders Monday (every day 24/7), and the negotiations will FAIL again. 🇬🇧 🇫🇷 🇩🇪 🇵🇱
 
If I was Trump, (imagine 😊) I would really be pissed of … Europeans be damned … you’ve had decades to put your house in order … best you can do is get OUT of the way to stop the slaughter.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 7 2025 15:09 utc | 31

Russia is destroying itself through Ukraine. That’s what you will eventually come to understand.

Posted by: anotherserf | Dec 7 2025 15:11 utc | 33

Posted by: anotherserf | Dec 7 2025 15:11 utc | 33
 
Nonsense.
 
At least your name lines up with your intellect.

Posted by: canuk | Dec 7 2025 15:19 utc | 35

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/ukraine/2025/12/ukraine-251205-russia-mfa01.htm
hoping this link is OK

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 7 2025 15:35 utc | 37

@andy  24

 
It’s been repudiated many, many times and if you were really curious you would find out very quickly that this is Western propaganda.
 
In war, it is humane to remove the children from the shooting areas.
 
Whenever the US does this, it’s called evacuation. When the Russians do it, it’s called kidnapping.
 
When the Westerns do it, they typically don’t bother to try to repatriate the kids. The Russians have been proven to go to great lengths to reunite the children with the closest relatives alive.

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 7 2025 15:57 utc | 39

From Reuters
 
US envoy says Ukraine deal close, Moscow says it wants radical changes
 
On to Odessa!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 7 2025 16:05 utc | 41

The Ukrainian army is disintegrating. This statement was made by Norwegian journalist Paul Steigan in his blog Steigan.
Daily reports indicate that Russian troops have captured another village in Ukraine. Ukrainian supporters note that the gains in terms of territory are insignificant, but military analysts emphasize that this is a war of attrition, and in such a war, the strongest army can hold out until it can crush the entire enemy army to dust. Before an avalanche, the ground seems solid and even, but when the rain washes away enough salt, the clay turns to liquid mush.
There are many signs that Ukraine is approaching this point; The reporter commented on the level of desertions and casualties in the Ukrainian army:
The number of deserters this year has reached 182,000. This is double the number from last year. In 2022, 10,000 defected; in 2023, 25,000. The death toll is incredibly high. The Ukrainian army is disintegrating before our eyes. The question now is how devastating the defeat will be.
Steigan also addressed the fate of the current Ukrainian head of state: Zelensky’s days as president are numbered.
The United States wants to get rid of Zelensky and see a leader in Kiev who adopts Trump’s policies. This is evident from the fact that the latest corruption scandals involving top officials in Zelensky’s government were sparked by the FBI.
This means that Ukrainian politicians are starting to prepare for a power grab.
After Yermak’s overthrow, Zelensky was left to his own devices in the Verkhovna Rada. Yermak controlled the apparatus and the Rada. Zelensky is incapable of doing so. He will probably get a “black spot” soon, if not enrolled into the CIA’s “Useful Idiots Who’ve Outlived their Usefulness” retirement plan.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/149890
 
Original (Norwegian language):
Vil krigen pågå til Kiev kapitulerer? 
Av Pål Steigan -6. desember 2025

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 7 2025 16:33 utc | 43

Posted by: andy | Dec 7 2025 14:32 utc | 24
 
Why are you not researching that yourself? 
 
Why of all places do you bring it up on this board?
 
Lets’ see if it’s your last time as you say. 
 
 

Posted by: arby | Dec 7 2025 16:51 utc | 45

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 7 2025 14:56 utc | 29
Mexico has a bourgeois government controlled directly by a clutch of billionaires that hyper exploit the vast majority of impoverished working people.  Mexico collaborates with the US military and intelligence.  
Yes, compared to prior leadership, morena is better but that’s not saying much at all, is it?  They, like the Dems in the US, just play “good cop” and run cover for the US aligned  Mexican billionaire.  
The fourth turning will be when the Mexican working class abolishes it’s billionaires,  nationalizes it’s finance and industry and ends all collaboration with US Imperialism.  Period.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 7 2025 17:10 utc | 47

More discontent, this time about power outages:

Kiev residents went to protests due to mass blackout – there is no light for the second day

https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/12/07/1918320.html

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2025 17:23 utc | 49

Why are the Kiev regime and the west so insistent on getting their hands on the children Russia rescued?   ”

The Ukrainian children taken by Zelensky’s wife to Turkey were raped and threatened to participate in the filming of commercials.

A scandal broke out in Ukraine after details of the detention of orphaned children in Turkey became known.

What is known about the investigation:

The project, which transported several thousand children from boarding schools in the Dnipropetrovsk region to Turkey, began in 2022. Its cost was approximately $10 million;

The founder of the project, Ruslan Shostak, received the Order of Merit of the III degree for him.;

Olena Zelenska initially agreed with the First Lady of Turkey on the placement of children in Antalya. She took over the organization of an urgent removal of orphaned children.;

The children were placed in Turkish hotels, where they were subjected to sexual and psychological violence, according to a report by the Ombudsman.;

They were transported from one hotel to another, and their living conditions gradually deteriorated. The training was irregular, the rooms were crowded;

for refusing to participate in the commercials of the Shostak Foundation, children were punished, access to entertainment was limited, and gadgets were deprived.;

the older children were forced to take care of the younger children with disabilities — to wash, clean;

Two girls aged 14 and 16 returned to Ukraine pregnant by Turkish hotel workers after the closure of the project. The caregivers knew about the meetings and did nothing.;

No one has been held responsible for child abuse. Subsequently, the girls were forced to sign documents stating that the relationship with the Turks was consensual.”

Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 7 2025 17:58 utc | 51

Bingo! Malarkey……. Irish for male bovine excrement.
Posted by: paddy | Dec 7 2025 12:44 utc | 10

 
What’s the term for the female equivalent?

Posted by: drinky crow | Dec 7 2025 18:08 utc | 53

drinky crow @54:
 
cowshit.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 7 2025 18:22 utc | 55

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 7 2025 15:57 utc | 40
—————
Bla bla bla…
So far no Minsk III type agreement has been accepted by VVP despite multiple attempts and multiple doomers like you.
 
Time to change your narrative. 

Posted by: scc | Dec 7 2025 18:37 utc | 57

seer@57: 
 
You’ll get no argument on that from me. 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 7 2025 18:56 utc | 59

Something is interesting.
Why people in Mexico don’t have any political ambitions so president of Mexico must be Jewish.
Why people of Argentina don’t have any political ambitions so president of Argentina must be Jewish.
Why people of Ukraine don’t have any political ambitions so president of Ukraine must be Jewish.
Und so wetter…

Posted by: Preki | Dec 7 2025 19:15 utc | 61

I meant also to say that now it is clear to me that the children were raised in russian-speaking areas and would probably be more comfortable in RF than in Kiev where even their language (or religion) is banned by decree. But being orphaned they either can not be asked (too young) or would not be asked, like the adults were in the RF-initiated referendum. I think RF must clear this issue because the western media exploit it and paint RF in a very bad color.

Posted by: andy | Dec 7 2025 19:17 utc | 63

. I think RF must clear this issue because the western media exploit it and paint RF in a very bad color.
Posted by: andy | Dec 7 2025 19:17 utc | 64
————-‘
You should change your name to PRETEND TO BE NAIVE

Posted by: Preki | Dec 7 2025 19:23 utc | 65

“Europe is the Fourth Reich.”
 
So true. Warmongers and Nazis have taken over some influential states in western Europe. So deserves de-nazification.

Posted by: Jason | Dec 7 2025 19:26 utc | 67

“There is the official European Union position that by 2030 it must be ready for war,” he stated.He also said that European countries are moving toward a “war economy.RT
Posted by: Jo | Dec 7 2025 19:17 utc | 63

All bark, no bite. They’re fundamentally incapable of re-arming to any significant degree. Hell, Germany’s having a hard time building cars anymore let alone tanks.
Orban’s valiantly trying to get them from further impoverishing the EU but the EU/UK leaders are fully invested in the Ukraine grift. Their obsession over seizing the frozen Russian funds illustrates their moral and financial bankruptcy.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Dec 7 2025 19:35 utc | 69

psychohistorian | Dec 7 2025 19:07 utc | 61
 
When WW2 ended the Galician SS Division was in Austria, and surrendered to the Brits. It was considered possible in 1945 that the US/UK might end up fighting the Soviet Union 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)#1st_Division_of_the_UNA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable
So the SS soldiers were settled in the UK (I worked with the son of one) and Canada. Which is why the Canadian Parliament were able to give a standing ovation to an SS volunteer a few years ago. 

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 7 2025 19:56 utc | 71

RE: @ 59

Wagelaborer, thanks for the clarification of the mixup in my comment @ 44 above.
Yes, Putin’s Warrant was by ICC while the present case in question is at the ICJ.
That’s OK.

HOWEVER, BOTH BODIES BEING INTERNATIONAL IN SCOPE AND OFFSHOOTS OF THE UN, THE DILEMMA NOW IS THAT UKRAINE WILL STRONGLY HOLD ON TO THE ICC DECISION IN THEIR FAVOUR WHILE RUSSIA BANKS ON THEIR EXPECTED FAVOURABLE RULING FROM THE ICJ.

This is an Odd-World indeed!

Posted by: cegnoveltyesq | Dec 7 2025 20:08 utc | 73

@ YetAnotherAnon | Dec 7 2025 19:59 utc | 73
 
Thanks for that, could be Junior is acting as an unofficial “cage-rattler-in-chief”, akin to Medvedev, saying stuff out loud that would never pass through official channels or outlets, but nevertheless reflecting an underlying tone of opinion.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2025 20:14 utc | 75

Ukraine….especially Kuleba the notorious claimed 29500 children “stolen”by Russia when Donetsk and Lughansk assimilated to Russia. Kuleba might be including children in families that went to Russia as refugees . 
read this for enlightenment
 
https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/09/29/1730132.html
Western media is now eg  claiming 6000 have been sent to North Korea for re-education, kind of situation where Putin is “morally responsible” for Skripal affair ongoing so called poisening.
pravda.eng refutes this.
in the end Ukraine could only supply a verifiable list of 339 ?I believe and Russia said these had been removed for their safety from the ukraine military. Russia had setup to reunite the children with their verifiable families as stated by Vladimer Medinsky with some success .
Lately Melania Trump approached Putin and 7 more  children returned. The Russian Presidential Childrens rights Commissioner is  Maria Lvova-Belova since 2021.
 and is responsible for this
 
to person “concerned” you can look up the hysterical Zukraine perspective at Snopes.com, UN Resolution December 4  2026 various western media saturating media and  search engines promulgating these matters…. to denigrate USA-Russia peace negotiations,hoping the more it is shouted itmust be true like all Ukraine media disinformation  hoodwinking campaigns and  attempts
Mmme Zakharova on the situation February 2024 and lately 24October 2025 providing information current at that  time and most recently 2 October 2025
https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/2051163/#05
comparing Ukraine putting childrens names on the notorious Mirotovets kill site with
 
“The results of this work have so far been as follows: 115 minors have reunited with their relatives in Ukraine and third countries, and 28 children have returned to Russia. As you may be aware, during the second round of talks in Istanbul on June 2, the Ukrainian delegation handed us a list of 339 children. Not thousands, not tens of thousands, not millions, but 339 names with a cover note saying their relatives were looking for them. A third of the names on that list turned out to be irrelevant, i.e., the information did not correspond to reality. Work on the remaining names on that list is underway”.
eg also via sputniknews It is naturally diificult to find any representations in western media due to their media shutdowns

Posted by: Jo | Dec 7 2025 20:35 utc | 77

TJandTheBear | Dec 7 2025 20:09 utc | 75
 
The top comments on that video are better. Now all assets, starting with Jr, were activated and rewrite the recent past erasing the little fact that Ukr war is an US project, the coup, weapons, instructors, including Trumpy the first and the second and of course Fat Vicky. The rewrite order is executed even at the bottom of the bottom of maga propaganda, like the migrant Marty from America 

Posted by: rk | Dec 7 2025 20:46 utc | 79

migrant Marty from America

Posted by: rk | Dec 7 2025 20:46 utc | 80
 
I bought all 4 of his books, so could you point me to where I can purchase your authored publications? I would like to compare and contrast…
 
Thank you in advance…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2025 20:54 utc | 81

Jams O’Donnell@53………take two tabs of chasing abby and call me in the morning……the Russians are not dealing with sane people they face the Empire, you know, That Empire 
 
…….sorry if I hurt you feelings, dont take it so personal…..just reading the bones…..not for the feint of heart……
 
Cheers M
 
……if yer tipplin’ the poteen, I get it……

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 7 2025 21:01 utc | 83

Trump is cleaning house in Ukraine as a vendetta for their lack of respect in his first admin, he’s already moving on to the EU and NATO crowd. My guess is that the vendetta will be total (though so far the UK is untouched) Trump wouldn’t get into a dirty knife fight unless he was holding one of those medieval battle axes. The fact that Trump waited a year to enact his revenge is a tell that he has developed patience and focus. Hopefully it won’t end with just the ouster from power of the conspiracy of dunces but more than that, at least for the Banderites – nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Remember, several Trump v1 loyalists, Flynn, Manafort, Stone come to mind served jail time, or were reputationally and financially ruined from legal fees. 
 
Not sure what this means for USA hegemony, neocolonialism, WW3, and the unveiling of the 4th Reich but I think more of the same just under new leadership, Trump is cleaning house of the losers that totally fucked up the lead up to WW3 and united Russia, China, and India. 
 
I’m thinking the best way out of the Ukraine disaster for the USA is not a Peace Plan or a cease fire – it’s conditional surrender for Ukraine. According to Nicolai Lilin, Bezuhla has called for the arrest and trial for Syrskyi and Zelensky, she works for the Americans which means Trump,  BTW Lilin also mention she has USA citizenship which is interesting if correct. But, something as drastic as preparing an offer for conditional surrender might explain all the knives coming out in Kiev.
 
A conditional surrender would put Putin in a bind (well, unless she stopped giving a shit about what the West does) it would force a freeze along present lines, rule out taking Odessa, Nikolaev, and Kharkov, I doubt the MoD would accept such a move, Putin globally would look pretty bad walking away from a surrender or imposing unreasonable conditions to end all the death and destruction; Ukraine prostrate before the conquerors and Russia choosing slaughter. 
 
A conditional surrender might be the West’s last hope and only lever to salvage something from Project Ukraine, having something left that they can use to rebuild their forces and rearm. I don’t think Putin and certainly not the MoD will take it, but curious if it happens how they will wiggle out of it.
 
Just throwing it out there.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 7 2025 21:04 utc | 85

^ (well, unless *she stopped giving a shit about what the West does)
-he, obviously.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 7 2025 21:08 utc | 87

just reading the bones

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 7 2025 21:01 utc | 84
 
Well, maybe you need to get your eyes tested then, because the bones are piling up on the Ukrainian side, and I am not saying that from a gloating perspective, but from sympathy for the poor souls whose sacrifice will never be acknowledged by the Western ghouls (who you never seem to condemn) that started this slaughter, and from sympathy for the families who will never know the true circumstances surrounding their loss.
 
I’m beginning to form the opinion that, behind your gnomic, sometimes incomprehensible syntax, you are the most bloodthirsty B’Stard posting here.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2025 21:17 utc | 89

Russia not only refuses to recognize the ICC’s authority but is now in a state of direct legal and political confrontation with it.

Posted by: The Painter | Dec 7 2025 21:11 utc | 89
 
That wouldn’t be the same ICC that the US threatened to invade the Netherlands over, should it ever issue a condemnatory ruling against a US official, politician or military officer, would it?
 
Or is that a different ICC? The International Cricket Conference, perhaps?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2025 21:27 utc | 91

Western media has been recently reporting that 20-30,000 kidnapped Ukrainian children had been sent to severe re-education camps in Russia, then relocated to the front lines in Donbass where they were forced to participate in massed “meat attacks” against Ukrainian front lines.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 7 2025 21:24 utc | 91
 
Oh, fur fox ache, perhaps read through the thread before posting?
 
The trolls scraping the barrel tonight is a tacit recognition that Ukraine is in deep doo-doo, and the “piss plans” are going nowhere, except down a golden toilet somewhere in Kiev…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 7 2025 21:32 utc | 93

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 7 2025 17:01 utc | 46
God, I’m so tired of Western MSM propaganda.  Simon Tisdall, the Guardian — “Putin should have accepted Trump’s deal. Now Russia’s collapsing economy could lead to his downfall”

 
Pure projection, as always.  How are layoffs (high-wage jobs) and debt-to-GDP doing in the UK, France, Germany?
 

The comments section is even more frightening. The public has taken a full serve of the Kool Aid and is serving it back up.  …  Timothy Garton Ash, Christopher Chivvis, Michael Weiss and others make up the the rest of the Deplorables : fact-free, ideologically-driven, Russia-hating, regime change morons.
Posted by: damien | Dec 7 2025 21:07 utc | 87

 
The public in said countries really believes Russia will be totally irrelevant once Ukraine/NATO wins. 🤪

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 7 2025 21:33 utc | 95

@Patroklos | Dec 7 2025 21:33 utc | 95

It started in 2014 when they began “moderating” the comment sections.  Non-aligned posters were increasingly banned.  Today, dissenting voices are verboten in western MSM.

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 7 2025 21:36 utc | 97

The public in said countries really believes Russia will be totally irrelevant once Ukraine/NATO wins.
Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 7 2025 21:33 utc | 96
No. The public doesn’t believe that. That’s what they want the public to believe.I read the Guardian comment section during the Maidan. Back then the comments were interesting – often much more interesting than the content of the articles.Then censorship struck, and I saw the interesting comments vanish in real time.
I stopped visiting The Guardian back then. Just like many of its posters.

Posted by: Martina | Dec 7 2025 21:48 utc | 99