@Patroklos | Dec 3 2025 17:52 utc | 1

So when do we think the coup against Zelensky will take place?

Since the collapse is progressing exponentially, I would say before the new year but if the prediction fails it would not be the first time. 

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 3 2025 18:00 utc | 3

https://x.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1996232967811895609
 
Pokrovsk has just been denoted to ‘not strategically important’ by the ISW. I do actually agree with them and have expressed this view before. The drone war and the constant surveillance make strategic points less relevant. Acumulating forces doesn’t work well. The frontline will continue to creep in a petty pace.
Nevertheless, the classical downgrade means the liberation of Pokrovsk has now been officially acknowledged.

Posted by: Hamburger | Dec 3 2025 18:22 utc | 5

I see Canada has just decided to flush another $200,000,000 down the golden toilets in Ukraine.
Curious as to what Frau Freeland’s “commission” on that transaction is?

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Dec 3 2025 18:24 utc | 7

So when do we think the coup against Zelensky will take place?

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 3 2025 17:52 utc | 1

 
If he’s still the Brits’ guy it could be quite a while yet.
 
No big deal; who wants anyone competent running that mess? Of course, admittedly his competition is some decorticated Nazi potato…

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 3 2025 18:42 utc | 9

Pokrovsk has just been denoted to ’not strategically important’ by the ISW … and reporters from German DW 😊
 
Damn .. so very true and logical too … logistics for battle inside the Donbas … not needed by RETREAT.
 
RF have an open corridor to drive forward to Zaporizhzhia and Dnipro river. Falling dominoes …

Posted by: Oui | Dec 3 2025 18:48 utc | 11

“So when do we think the coup against Zelensky will take place?”
 
Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 3 2025 17:52 utc | 1
 
He’ll be gone by Xmas, IMO.

Posted by: canuk | Dec 3 2025 18:55 utc | 13

Map current military analysis Western media ISW and AEI Critical Threats

Posted by: Oui | Dec 3 2025 19:10 utc | 15

Patroklos@1…..can you coup someone who is unelected and without power, may as well coup the janitor at the zoo…….just for reference though Putin assured the Zionists that Tiny Dancer has free passage to travel anywhere he wishes…….safely
 
……..wonder if Frau Freeland will bring $200 million dollars worth of  Canada’s best AD equipment to protect her flat in Kiev…..maybe she’ll bunk with Kellogg, Zman did say Kellogg was the best AD system Kiev ever had…….
 
Cheers M 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 3 2025 19:19 utc | 17

Yermak will be the sacrifial lamb that distracts from people’s anger when Zelensky bails out with his winnings and goes to Shitreal. I am quite sure that despite his ((( chosen))) status, Z will throw him to the wolves to save his own skin .
 
JB

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Dec 3 2025 19:32 utc | 19

Ok, no europe war porn, back to the nitty gritty
 
Calm day 1.260 AFU casualties, maybe some of the pocketed forces are surrendering
 
Fresh Marat, mainly Gulyaipole.
 
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-december-3rd
 
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 3 2025 19:44 utc | 21

Putin and phony globalist Jews, pandering around the “great powers” elitist, scamming all with their phony wars while the greatest wealth hike/transfer and theft of all working people in the realm are sucked up like a vacuum by these phony “conflicts” as they manipulate humanity to war and kill one another, and reap the benefits.
 
Backroom meetings, secret handshakes, deciding the future of all of humanity from Beijing to Amsterdam and every continent & city in-between with their pretend “conflicts” and media spell-casters who manipulate the minds of the masses hourly with rot and phony “stories”.
 
How is Zelensky so Willy nilly flitting around to Paris, London, Ireland, Turkey?  Doesn’t he have a “war” to run somewhere?  Putin and his KGB bull crap of secrecy, licking the boots of his Jewish overlords that are visiting while blowing off Kazakhstan early & not bothering to see China’s Wang Yi as he normally would… no, the Jewish Master Kushner came calling… calendar totally free always when the Master Race appears…
 
This “war show” will go on until every nickel is confiscated out of every pocket of actual working people, the already poor & disabled across the globe until these global show hosts are strung up with a rope dangling from every square in every city across the realm…
 

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 3 2025 20:09 utc | 23

Too many contradictions exist for me
particularly from the US side of things Why is trump trying to seemingly desperately broker a peace  deal which at least initially was not favourable to Ukraine , while simultaneously funding them and keeping them in the fight. why is ukraine able to dictate terms over a peace deal while when we are being told Russia is winning handsomely ?
Posted by: Night Tripper | Dec 3 2025 18:34 utc | 8
The USA never seeks peace. It is arming and funding Ukraine because it wants them to “weaken Russia” for “as long as it takes”. It is trying to get a halt in the conflict because at some point the idea that it is a stalemate is going to be ludicrous. So they want a pause so Team NATO can regroup and rearm and prepare for another round. Maybe sneak in NATO troops.
Ukraine isn’t able to dictate terms of a peace deal. Russia will jot accept Ukraine’s terms unless there is a lot more damage done to Russia. Ukraine is refusing to accept Russia’s terms either because they still believe they can win, they are still hoping NATO will join in, or they cannot emotionally accept surrender until such time as their situation is hopeless.

Posted by: Cheney | Dec 3 2025 20:14 utc | 25

@8
 
Trump is blustering for a Minsk deal to stop Kiev and sponsors bleeding and to arm up to dismember the RF.
 
Trump is face of same cabal that runs US since 1947.

Posted by: pad. | Dec 3 2025 20:15 utc | 27

Posted by: Trubind1 | Dec 3 2025 20:09 utc | 23
“Putin and phony globalist Jews” – juxtaposition = Instant credibility loss.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 3 2025 20:18 utc | 29

Ukraine will go full-tilt Saló Republic…
Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 3 2025 18:08 
 
A chilling projection – I watched Pasolini’s “Salo” on archive dot org after a recommendation from someone here, a month or so ago. Zaluzni looks the part – don’t often notice the casting in a film but did in “Salo” – Zaluzni would fit right in

Posted by: will moon | Dec 3 2025 20:28 utc | 31

Zelensky:
“We are preparing meetings in the United States.
After the American team returns from Moscow and the corresponding consultations in Washington, Rustem Umerov, Andriy Hnatov, and everyone needed for the negotiations will continue the dialogue with representatives of Trump.”
https://nitter.net/clashreport/status/1996290741501383104

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 3 2025 20:34 utc | 33

Yankee merc down!
Erik Martin Giggleman aka Gigs born on May 15, 1992 from Texas, USA
On November 22, 2025 near Stepnohirsk, Zaporozhye region, a group of mercenaries attemptedto rotate (watch the video) and deliver supplies to their positions.
Among these mercenaries was the American Giggleman, who was hit by an FPV drone and didn’t stand a chance.
Erik Giggleman was a former soldier in the US Army’s 82nd Airborne Division and in Ukraine was part of the GUR “Mongoose Team” unit, which until recently had been fighting in the Zaporozhye sector until they were forced to flee.
The transcript of the radio interception shows the desperation of one of the survivors.
We will soon post more obituaries from this area.
https://t.me/s/TrackAMerc

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 3 2025 20:39 utc | 35

Ukraine and the EU are in their final desperate attempt to scrape and claw their way to Russia’s frozen assets, while mired in a massive corruption and fraud scandal.
 
Meanwhile, von der Leyen has just confirmed that prolonging the conflict is good for Ukraine, due to financial benefits.
 
Is anyone really surprised they’ve finally admitted to putting money over Ukrainian lives? This is their death knell. Let’s talk about it.

https://x.com/RickSanchezTV/status/1996222142711488668

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 3 2025 20:56 utc | 37

Seems Eurozone is nearing the end of its life, fast.
 
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 3 2025 20:37 utc | 34
 
######
 
Zombie Europe can and, IMO, will likely persist for a couple more decades.
 
The people aren’t ready to force change, which will be difficult to begin, given constant gaslighting and manipulation by the elites.
 
Many people have low pain tolerance (wouldn’t last 2 days in Gaza).
 
Europe can go much further yet. It has yet to hit rock bottom. 

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 3 2025 20:59 utc | 39

interesting
 
Finland is not ready to provide Ukraine with security guarantees.According to Finland’s Prime Minister Petteri Orpo, “this is quite serious matter.””Security guarantees – this is quite a serious matter. We are not ready to provide security guarantees, but we can help with the organization of security,”- said the head of the Finnish government. slavyangrad
 
But overall, it seems consistent with the idea that Russian troops “must” immediately leave the regions of Kharkov, Sumy, Dnipropetrovsk, and Nikolaev (the aforementioned Kinburn Peninsula), while Ukraine may “consider” leaving Donbass at a later date.
They tried, as they say, to persuade President Putin to do so.
For obvious reasons, these proposals were not accepted by the Russian side. The fact is that Moscow has apparently exhausted its reserve of “goodwill gestures,” with which “Russia gives up now, and Ukraine will think about it later.” Recall that Vladimir Putin himself has repeatedly spoken about the situation in March-April 2022, when the Russian Armed Forces voluntarily withdrew from Kiev and the Chernigov and Sumy regions. However, instead of a final peace treaty, the enemy unleashed a full-scale war.slavyangrad
 
A “hole” of $20 billion has already formed in Ukraine’s state budget for 2026. Kiev hopes to cover this gap through revenues from frozen Russian assets, said MP Goncharenko (included in the Russian Federation’s list of terrorists and extremists).@Slavyangrad | Grigori 🇷🇺
well Estonia and Lithuania are still trying to keep the dense of alarmgoing re Russia meanwhile….the usual infighting
Tusk and Merz discussing support for Kiev, got into a heated argument over reparations from World War II, — Politico▪️Warsaw and Berlin wanted to demonstrate unity and cooperation in matters of supporting Kiev➖”Instead, the leaders spent time arguing over the highly emotional issue of how Germany should atone for its actions during World War II,” — the publication writes.▪️Poland claims it did not receive compensation for losses and crimes during World War II, states the Polish prime minister.▪️Earlier, Germany rejected Poland’s demand for reparations.Poland has been the largest net recipient of EU money and its economic success is largely due to German industry.
The standard of living in the EU has dropped to a 40-year low compared to the US, among the reasons – the war in Ukraine and sanctions against Russia. slavyangrad▪️The cost of energy in Europe has increased by 60%, while industrial production has only risen by 1.2%, reports Bloomberg.
slavyangrad.
 
US is no longer financially involved in the war between Ukraine and Russia, — Trump
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Jo | Dec 3 2025 21:01 utc | 41

@FM_Szijjarto stated in Brussels that the @EU_Commission
refuses to hold Ukraine accountable for corruption because it is clearly the same thing happening in Brussels as in Kyiv. He was responding to questions about the corruption and procurement fraud charges brought against former EU High Representative
@FedericaMog
. He recalled that at the last Foreign Affairs Council nobody mentioned the enormous corruption scandal in Ukraine, and no one demanded accountability for hundreds of billions of euros in EU support despite revelations of corruption organized at the highest state level. He said European taxpayers’ money had fallen into the hands of a wartime mafia. Minister Szijjártó said the latest developments make it clear why Brussels remains silent: the same thing is happening here as in Kyiv — massive corruption. He pointed to the arrests of the former EU High Representative, the former secretary-general for foreign affairs in the
@vonderleyen
Commission, and searches conducted at the home of the Commission’s former justice commissioner over money-laundering suspicions. He concluded that Brussels does not want to scrutinize Ukraine’s corruption network because Brussels itself is woven through by a similar corrupt network, which EU leaders want to keep hidden. The
@EUProsecutor
has now formally charged Mogherini and two others with procurement fraud, corruption, conflicts of interest and breaches of official secrecy.

https://x.com/zoltanspox/status/1996236136335774039

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 3 2025 21:10 utc | 43

Trump says a lot. None of it is serious or useful.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 3 2025 21:09 utc | 42
 
But there is one thing between all his promises and media shows, he has one common theme: money for the US.
He no longer pays for anything, but collects everywhere (not only for arms deliveries to the EU and NATO). That remains the case, and in that respect, he can be relied upon. 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 3 2025 21:17 utc | 45

@44
 
Do you think van der Leyen is paying for the targeting and intel from US sources [probably the only good stuff] run out of Ramstein?
 
Do yo think van der Leyen is paying for all the US logistics?
 
Or is the CIA black budget doing what they do since 1947?

Posted by: paddy | Dec 3 2025 21:21 utc | 47

Gepostet von: paddy | 3. Dez. 2025, 21:21 UTC | 46
 
vdL pays nothing, that money is from German army

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 3 2025 21:25 utc | 49

The collapse of UAF front lines appears to be increasing dramatically.
We observe the Uk and EU becoming more desperate every single day.  False flags on the way?  But where?
Witkoff visits and has a positive interview with VVP (more cover for DJT when the final collapse occurs).
Volo continues to fail to return to Kieve.  Interesting – finalizing plans for exile in Haifa?
RF goals need to be the capture of all Black Sea ports including Odessa and destruction of the RN HQ base there, and opening of the land bridge to Transnistria.  No land bridge and Russians there are doomed, like the Serbs in Krajina were in 1995 or the Serbs in Kosovo in 1999 (VVP knows this well).
 

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 3 2025 21:40 utc | 51

There’s no doubt that Zelensky is thinking about an escape route and that if there was a suitable replacement who wanted the job, they could be put in soon.
But trying to get a new captain for a sinking ship full of holes is not always easy.  The whole system is corrupt and the same death threats given to Zelensky about accepting a peace deal would apply to the new person.  So who would want the job?  Ukrainian government salaries are totally dependent on foreign funding that may not last even another 6 months.  After that, it’s state collapse.  No smart person would want the job.  So Zelensky may stay.I keep hearing hints about a resistant movement covertly supported by the Russians.  I wonder how many people are getting ready for an attempted coup trying to get rid of the western influenes leading Ukraine to utter destruction.  It’s not like Ukrainians (especially western ones) have love for Russia, but by now it’s pretty clear how badly the West has treated Ukraine.

Posted by: Amanda | Dec 3 2025 21:57 utc | 53

 53
 
Isn’t it wonderful being ruled by our psychotic masters.

Posted by: dobby | Dec 3 2025 22:09 utc | 55

But trying to get a new captain for a sinking ship full of holes is not always easy. 
Posted by: Amanda | Dec 3 2025 21:57 utc | 53

Not always true, in the EU Kallas and VDL are literally competing to get to the steering wheel on the Titanic. 

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 3 2025 22:30 utc | 57

Not always true, in the EU Kallas and VDL are literally competing to get to the steering wheel on the Titanic. 
 
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 3 2025 22:30 utc | 56

 
Myself, I’m curious as to whether either of the two had a role in feeding Mogherini to the sharks…

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 3 2025 22:52 utc | 59

💢 Italy suspends participation in the PURL procurement program for weapons for Ukraine amid peace talks, reports Bloomberg.The country’s Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani stated: “If we reach an agreement and the fighting stops, weapons will no longer be needed.”Subscribe @NewResistance
 
NATO countries intend to spend 1 billion euros monthly on purchasing weapons for Ukraine in the US next year, – NATO Secretary-General Rutte said previously
Also earlier, Rutte said that by the end of the year, Ukraine will receive weapons under the PURL program worth 5 billion dollars.
new resistance
Yermak is the most dangerous person in power. He will do everything to return, — former press secretary of Zelensky Julia Mendel
In 2019, according to Mendel, Yermak asked a political consultant “how to become the president of the country.” new resistance
 
🇵🇱 Poland, 🇩🇪 Germany, and 🇳🇴Norway will purchase 🇺🇸 Patriot interceptor missiles for 🇺🇦🏴‍☠️ Ukraine as part of a joint $500 million procurement under the PURL program, Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski announced.
 
ByDecember 2026, Ukraine will lose even more territory and people if it does not agree to a deal now, – admitted Kuleba.
 
Ukraine will not receive Czech T-72M4CZ tanks due to “insurmountable technical problems”, writes local publication Novinky.It is noted that key components of the fire control system cannot be repaired or replaced. Because of this, the tanks are practically unusable. maybe the money was stolen…..
 
Romania destroyed a Ukrainian unmanned boat in the Black Sea.
 
The Fico Party supported the idea of filing a lawsuit against the EU due to the ban on 🇷🇺 Russian gas
 
Zelensky bought a mansion from American showman and rapist Bill Cosby for $29M
 
Medvedev said that the resumption of a joint Russia-NATO council is out of the question now:
 
z and v

Posted by: Jo | Dec 3 2025 23:01 utc | 61

🇪🇺🏴‍☠️🇺🇦👉🇷🇺 The College of the European Commission approved a “potential reparative loan” for Ukraine, which entails the expropriation of Russian assets, stated Ursula von der Leyen.Von der Leyen noted that Ukraine needs €135 billion by the end of 2027 to continue fighting against Russia and maintaining the functioning of the state.
z and v

Posted by: Jo | Dec 3 2025 23:11 utc | 63

European leaders are scheduled to make a final decision on Ukraine’s financing at the summit on 18 December. De Wever noted that this leaves two weeks for further discussions, a significant amount of time in politics.
 
However, he stressed Belgium’s conditions remain unchanged and categorically refused to bear financial risks amounting to hundreds of billions of euros.

 
[Source: Brussels Times 10 hrs ago]

Posted by: Oui | Dec 3 2025 23:46 utc | 65

Did we all see the psycho the flag waving.

Posted by: dobby | Dec 3 2025 23:54 utc | 67

Zombie Europe can and, IMO, will likely persist for a couple more decades.The people aren’t ready to force change, which will be difficult to begin, given constant gaslighting and manipulation by the elites.Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 3 2025 20:59 utc | 39

 
The beautiful thing about power dynamics is its inherent unpredictability.  While you make a point about constant gaslighting and a brainwashed population, reality can only be twisted and ignored for so long.  And of all stable, reliably line-toeing elements at the center of EU, it is Belgium that is picking its once in a generation deathmatch against Ursula and Kallas; it is long-time Ursula buddy and chief corruptresse of the European Central Bank, “which €400M?” Christine Lagarde, who disagreed to touching the hot potato of backing up anything remotely related to those Russian Euro assets.
 
Add to this all the puzzle pieces of today’s related news Jo posted in this young thread alone; it’s a prime exhibit of “first slowly, then suddenly“.  Who would have anticipated so much can happen in the Brussels Blob Space in just 24-48 hours!
 
Sure, there are no big MSM headlines yet; they’re probably too surprised by the avalanche of tickertape items.  But big headlines there will be, and it will be framed as “suddenly” and “unexpected”.  Ursula and Kaka are increasingly isolated on their own big Brussels dancefloor.  And at some point, even Merz and Micron won’t be able to save Ursula and Kallas any longer, because they will become isolated as well for ignoring and twisting reality a bit too far, and that reality boils down to the faltering economy, unfavorable job stats and fiscal numbers.  And Putin?  Doesn’t have to do a thing.

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 4 2025 0:09 utc | 69

Did we all see the psycho the flag waving.
Posted by: dobby | Dec 3 2025 23:54 utc | 66
 
Yes.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 4 2025 0:13 utc | 71

Re: Posted by: canuk | Dec 3 2025 18:55 utc | 13
 

“So when do we think the coup against Zelensky will take place?” Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 3 2025 17:52 utc | 1 He’ll be gone by Xmas, IMO.

 
Literally ABSOLUTE ZERO chance of that.
 
 

Posted by: Julian | Dec 4 2025 0:16 utc | 73

Daniel Davis (Daniel’s Deep Dive) is “taking Ben Hodges to the woodshed”.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpg4EtLu-w  (length: 18 minutes).

Posted by: WMG | Dec 4 2025 0:37 utc | 75

b was right about Venezuela the zoggies chickened out and went to the beaches of Puerto Rico to rape and savage like they do in Japan.

Posted by: dobby | Dec 4 2025 0:40 utc | 77

Yermak will be the sacrifial lamb that distracts from people’s anger when Zelensky bails out with his winnings and goes to Shitreal. I am quite sure that despite his ((( chosen))) status, Z will throw him to the wolves to save his own skin . JB
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Dec 3 2025 19:32 utc | 19
 
Disagree, the chosen generally take care of each other in business except for the usual reasons of disagreement or competition. Recall the Israeli PM made a visit to Moscow to ask Putin to promise not to hurt Zelensky, and Putin agreed. Would Stalin have done similar for Hitler? Just SOP of the tribe looking out for each other, also suggests Z was acting on behalf of the Zionist state for such a high ranking request. As to Putin’s motivation to accommodate, was there some kind of quid pro, who knows?

Posted by: Organic | Dec 4 2025 1:07 utc | 79

About Napoleon’s 1812 campaign against Russia, please note that it failed because of an unforgiving strategic mistake : they put the kitchen and the prostitutes at the back. No motivation to go forward  a serious blow to the fighting morale. The Frogs won’t make this mistake again.
 
For the next campaign, expect the kitchen and the prostitutes to be put in the Urals. An unstoppable Grande Armee.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Dec 4 2025 1:59 utc | 81

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 3 2025 22:05 utc | 53

As I read today in one of your very own Anglo papers, the UK is on track to have an economy the size of Lithuania’s by 2030. Russia needs to do nothing…the British have screwed themselves over all by themselves.
 
As I responded to your previous histrionic ‘look at us we are important!’, the UK is a irrelevancy. They will follow the US like a broken mongrel, in any case.  Can you really disagree? Pull the other one, as they say, it has bells on.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 4 2025 2:59 utc | 83

“Given that Odessa serves as an operations center for coordinating terrorist attacks on Russian ships in the Black Sea”
Russia should have gone after it years ago. It might have save several of its ships.

Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 4 2025 3:02 utc | 85

Latest from the Ukrainian dissident politician Anatoly Shariji now resident in Spain…
 
Anatolii Sharii
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMvjv7HRw0
 
“Is Zelensky’s beloved to blame for everything?”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 4 2025 4:33 utc | 87

Re: Posted by: Organic | Dec 4 2025 1:07 utc | 78
 

Disagree, the chosen generally take care of each other in business except for the usual reasons of disagreement or competition. Recall the Israeli PM made a visit to Moscow to ask Putin to promise not to hurt Zelensky, and Putin agreed. Would Stalin have done similar for Hitler? Just SOP of the tribe looking out for each other, also suggests Z was acting on behalf of the Zionist state for such a high ranking request. As to Putin’s motivation to accommodate, was there some kind of quid pro, who knows?

 
 
Yes, I believe the quid pro quo suggested around here in 2022 for leaving Zelensky alone was that Putin gets to keep his client state of Syria.
 
Putin loves these type of backroom deals!

Posted by: Julian | Dec 4 2025 5:58 utc | 89

One aspect of the key Putin answer at the pre-Witkoff meeting presser–“If Europe suddenly decides to go to war against us and actually follows through with it, then a situation may arise very quickly where we will be left with no one to negotiate with”–that I’ve not seen mentioned is the complete confidence Putin had when he spoke not just that sentence but its entire paragraph, which sends a signal all by itself: The Security Council has already discussed this matter and made its decision.     

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 4 2025 6:02 utc | 91

Re: Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 4 2025 2:52 utc | 82

Hahaha. Are you going to predict the lottery numbers too, or is the psychic gig only for posturing? Your weird brand of defiant denial must be crumbling day to day what with all the reality breaking in, no?

 
 
 
Happy for you to come back in six months and see where we are.
 
Do you want me to dig up your predictions from 2022 & 2023?
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Julian | Dec 4 2025 6:11 utc | 93

If the west steals Russias frozen assets, they may pay with  our fallen  foe’s.
Para phraseing,  Meridive, as just hered reported on bbc news.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 4 2025 7:03 utc | 95

Apologies to Naive, I think it might have been Newbie with the casualties fixation.

Posted by: Suresh | Dec 4 2025 7:27 utc | 97

Re: Another 5 Brigades encircled ?
 
Note when this Civil War heated up in 2022, Kiev had a total of 60 maneuver brigades. 
 
likely just remnants of  5 Brigades, thats why only 1,000 Headcount reported. the other 14,000 may have been KIA’d (memory eternal) or surrender (hot chow and warm clothes). 
 
When battalion+ sized units capitulate en mass, thats a tell of Ground Forces that are no longer interested  in fighting. 

Posted by: exile | Dec 4 2025 7:41 utc | 99