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December 4, 2025
The Knives Are Out For Hegseth

The knives are out for the Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth. The leaks from the Pentagon about him will continue until Hegseth is gone.

The officers do not want a boss who is giving illegal orders while scapegoating the generals and soldiers who follow them:

At the White House on Monday, Karoline Leavitt, the press secretary, read a statement that said Mr. Hegseth had authorized the Special Operations commander overseeing the attack, Adm. Frank M. Bradley, “to conduct these kinetic strikes.”

She said that Admiral Bradley had “worked well within his authority and the law directing the engagement to ensure the boat was destroyed and the threat to the United States of America was eliminated.”

Bradly gets pushed forward to take the beating while Hegseth and Trump claim innocence:

Bradley will have the chance to address outstanding issues about the strikes when he speaks with lawmakers Thursday behind closed doors. Some lawmakers have said the Trump administration appears to be making Bradley into something of a scapegoat.

“Looks like they’re throwing him under the bus,” said Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.), often a critic of the administration, “but these kinds of decisions go all the way to the top.”

Adm. Bradley had the poor choice of following an illegal order or getting fired.

In my recent piece abut U.S. strikes on boats in the Caribbean I suggested that the head of Southern Command, Adm. Alvin Holsey, was made to retire because he rejected orders to kill survivors of U.S attacks:

On the very same day those survivors were rescued, October 16, the DoD announced that the head of its Southern Command was ‘stepping down’: ..

It now seems clear that Admiral Holsey got fired for not following Hegseth’s illegal order and for ordering the rescue of the survivors of the strike.

A piece in today’s Wall Street Journal confirms this impression:

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shocked official Washington in mid-October when he announced that the four-star head of U.S. military operations in the Caribbean was retiring less than a year into his tenure.

But according to two Pentagon officials, Hegseth asked Adm. Alvin Holsey to step down, a de facto ouster that was the culmination of months of discord between Hegseth and the officer. It began days after President Trump’s inauguration in January and intensified months later when Holsey had initial concerns about the legality of lethal strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean, according to former officials aware of the discussions.

Hegseth has now claimed (archived) to have not seen no survivors when he was in the room watching the stream of a second strike happening that killed survivors of an allegedly smuggling boat:

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Tuesday that “a couple of hours” passed before he was made aware that a September military strike he authorized and “watched live” required an additional attack to kill two survivors, further distancing himself from an incident now facing congressional inquiry.

“I did not personally see survivors,” he said in response to a reporter’s question, “… because that thing was on fire and was exploded, and fire, smoke, you can’t see anything. You got digital, there’s — this is called the fog of war.”

That, however, contradicts the original reporting of the issue. The Washington Post wrote (archived) that Hegseth was watching the video stream when survivors of a strike were clearly visible and was aware of the order to kill them:

The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command centers became that the 11 people on board were ferrying drugs.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a spoken directive, according to two people with direct knowledge of the operation. “The order was to kill everybody,” one of them said.

A missile screamed off the Trinidad coast, striking the vessel and igniting a blaze from bow to stern. For minutes, commanders watched the boat burning on a live drone feed. As the smoke cleared, they got a jolt: Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck.

The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack — the opening salvo in the Trump administration’s war on suspected drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere — ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions, two people familiar with the matter said. The two men were blown apart in the water.

The NY Times reports further details (archived):

Before the Trump administration began attacking people suspected of smuggling drugs at sea, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth approved contingency plans for what to do if an initial strike left survivors, according to multiple U.S. officials.

The military would attempt to rescue survivors who appeared to be helpless, shipwrecked and out of what the administration considered a fight. But it would try again to kill them if they took what the United States deemed to be a hostile action, like communicating with suspected cartel members, the officials said.

After the smoke cleared from a first strike on Sept. 2, there were two survivors, and one of them radioed for help, the U.S. officials said. Adm. Frank M. Bradley, who commanded the operation, ordered a follow-up strike and both were killed.

The reasoning is ludicrous. Survivors of a murderous strike are to be rescued. But survivors who call for help to be rescued have to be killed:

Under the plans Mr. Hegseth had approved, Admiral Bradley interpreted the purported communications between the initial survivors and colleagues as meaning that the survivors were still in the fight, rather than shipwrecked and helpless people whom it would be a war crime to target.

The whole legal construct behind these strikes is obviously nonsense:

The Pentagon’s defense of its actions rests heavily on the premise that there was a “fight” in the first place. In defending the campaign of summary killings at sea as lawful, the administration has relied on Mr. Trump’s disputed determination that the United States is in a formal armed conflict with drug cartels and that people suspected of smuggling drugs for them are “combatants.”

A still-secret memo by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel accepts Mr. Trump’s claims about the nature of drug cartels and that there is an armed conflict. Based on that premise, it concludes that the boat strikes are lawful.

One of its key related conclusions, according to people who have read it, is that suspected cargos of drugs aboard boats are lawful military targets because cartels could otherwise sell them and use the profits to buy military equipment to sustain their alleged war efforts.

The Pentagon’s emphasis on the purported radio communications appears to rely on that logic. The idea appears to be that without a second strike, another boat could have come to retrieve not only the survivors but also any of the alleged shipment of cocaine that the first blast did not burn up, so calling for help was a hostile act.

The OLC memo is intentionally confusing cause and effect.

People and cartels are greedy. They sell drugs to make money. Whatever arms they may have are used in support of that primary aim. They are in business, not in an ‘armed conflict’. They do not to fight wars for lebensraum or ideologically reasons:

A broad range of legal experts reject the legitimacy of Mr. Trump’s claim that this is an armed conflict. They say that there is no armed conflict, that crews of boats suspected of smuggling drugs are civilians, not combatants, and that Mr. Trump and Mr. Hegseth have been giving illegal orders to commit murder.

Hegseth has given orders to murder civilians. If this were an ‘armed conflict’ Hegseth would have committed a war crime.

Or, as conservative commentator George Will scathingly remarks (archived:

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth seems to be a war criminal. Without a war. An interesting achievement.

Pete Hegseth has long argued for more brutal wars, for more unfair fights to satisfy his inner psychopath:

In books and on television, Hegseth argued for years that U.S. military leaders should relax rules for American forces, allowing them to fight unburdened by concerns of future courts-martial. More freedom to operate, he insisted, and less regulation by military lawyers would make troops more lethal and effective, and could be justified under the laws of war.

Hegseth’s views were shaped by his own experience in the Army. He was deployed to Iraq in 2005, in the northern city of Samarra, which was a counterinsurgency hotbed. The regiment’s Charlie Company, which included Hegseth, employed such aggressive tactics that it was referred to by some soldiers as the Kill Company [archived]. Four of its soldiers were later court-martialed on charges of killing unarmed Iraqis. Three of them were convicted; one case was thrown out on appeal.

Hegseth has cited a JAG briefing on “legal and proper engagement” that he says he and fellow troops received when they deployed. Hegseth says his soldiers were told they couldn’t fire on an armed man unless it was clear he posed a threat.

Hegseth pulled his platoon aside and told them to ignore the legal advice. “I will not allow that nonsense to filter into your brains,” he says he told them, according to his 2024 book “The War on Warriors.” “Men, if you see an enemy who you believe is a threat, you engage and destroy the threat.”

Hegseth brought such convictions to the Pentagon. In February, when he fired the top JAGs, he said they could be potential “roadblocks” to lawful orders “given by a commander in chief.”

Defense Secretary Hegseth’s inherent brutality is likely the reason why he got hired for his position:

Trump selected Hegseth as defense secretary partly because of his views on loosening the rules of engagement, two people familiar with the presidential transition said.

It is high time for Congress to rein both men in.

Comments

This mr. Hegseth seems to be a nutcase and should be handled as such. He should be institutionalized and fed bread and water for all meals. He should also to be tought to learn some history while placed in a mental hospital. And maybe, just maybe, he could be healed of his narcistic behaviour – able to move on and live a normal life among healthy and intellegent people all over. Regards

Posted by: Siggi | Dec 4 2025 9:36 utc | 1

This mr. Hegseth seems to be a nutcase and should be handled as such. He should be institutionalized and fed bread and water for all meals. He should also to be tought to learn some history while placed in a mental hospital. And maybe, just maybe, he could be healed of his narcistic behaviour – able to move on and live a normal life among healthy and intellegent people all over. Regards

Posted by: Siggi | Dec 4 2025 9:36 utc | 2

Those small boats, if they are carrying drugs, can get no further than neighbouring Trinidad. The U.S. drones that survey them could see them land, & enable the Trinidad authorities to arrest the dealers who, according to recent reports, send them on tho West Africa & eventually to Europe.
By destroying them in mid-ocean, the US is destroying the evidence of a trade that is being linked in the public’s mind to the Islamist activity in the Sahara and illegal immigration across the Mediterranean and English Channel.      

Posted by: geoff chambers | Dec 4 2025 9:49 utc | 3

So Hegseth was and is a brutal man (and before that a ruthless soldier)
 
He clearly does not believe in giving the benefit of doubt to whom he sees as enemy.
 
now , for the first time , we’re being told there were criteria (et call home = still able and hostile ) . Agree disagree, I’d rather discuss the first missile, but no blood thirsty “kill them in the water” just agreed procedure.
 
What I also see is that the knives are out for him, many others did much worse and no noise about it. 
the main point is that the initial action fails to comply with basic rules. This is a secondary thing that only diverts critic to a clearly unloved target.
my 2 cents

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 4 2025 9:49 utc | 4

Cause & effect is a bytch. When it’s being concluded that drug related gangs and cartels are militarizing (as evidenced in thousands of video’s and countless research, some of them released by cartel and gang members themselves) there is certainly a case to be made that the fight is with a para-military organization. It’s not a clear cut case, just like with organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah, where the armed wing is one service of many. But at some point one arm connects to the other, finances, communication, central directives. So to kind of frame this in some moral story about killing citizens sounds very black and white. While these gangs operate and succeed because of all these gray areas.

Posted by: JohnDowser | Dec 4 2025 9:57 utc | 5

@5
What you’re saying is nonsense. 
There is nothing gray about running drugs. They are breaking a law, they can be arrested and jailed like anyone else who breaks a law.

Posted by: Cresty | Dec 4 2025 10:05 utc | 6

Pete should vaccate to a Siberian Labor Camp for a Decade….May Putin can help with this!

Posted by: Nobody | Dec 4 2025 10:05 utc | 7

many years ago here hare here in the olden times 
in iran and north korea today 
men folks like us cannot be woman or even homosexualist
we get thrown off the buildings
freedom requires blood sweet and tears as does baal moloch.
the drone cull is a necessary evil 
the  men folks in the caribs and tropics likewise cannot be gender fluid like baphomet.
 
how can we be free if we cannot be a woman and dress accordingly 
as per the teachings of jacob frank and sabbatai zvi only through evil doings and harm can we be clean absolved redeemed what was once good can now be seen as wrong according to khazar non semite jewish ethics.
 
hilary killery clinton once said it takes a village i would go further it takes the destruction the dustification atomization of the village to finally cure the village.
globohomo oded yinon is a big idea everyday the talking points and protocols of the first international jewish conference at bern bloom blossom.
freedom is not slavery for if we be slaves how can men folk make love to other mens while dressed as a lady.
the glory holes of sodom for all democracy lovers

Posted by: normal wisdom | Dec 4 2025 10:12 utc | 8

Hegseth is small fry, the real knives are out for Zelensky and his crew. The inevitable end approaches…

Posted by: Pierre Delecto | Dec 4 2025 10:14 utc | 9

So I’m just waiting for the usual suspects (like Messrs. Brennan or Gruff) to chime in here and scold us all for being such pussies about this whole blowing-the-drug-boats-and-all-their-occupants-to-Kingdom-Come, because, you know, the drugs, the DRUGS! Think of the poor United Statesian fentanyl VICTIMS!
What utter horseshit. All this crap about the 4 big engines and how could anyone mistake that for anything except a vessel for carrying DRUGS to the USA?
Meanwhile his hero pardons a convicted narco-trafficker. Meanwhile the real countries that supply the drugs—Colombia and Mexico—get a complete pass. (Unless Trump is considering bombing the D.F.? Wouldn’t surprise me.)
So puleeze, spare us your god-damned motherfucking “TDS”! Your guy is now just an ordinary murderer. Of course, he’ll never be convicted of this, much less charged. Same goes for Pete Kegsbreath.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Dec 4 2025 10:16 utc | 10

Why didn’t the Pentagon leak when Obama was ordering illegal double-tap drone strikes? They were waiting long enough for ambulances to arrive and then hit targets again. Did way more of those that Pete’s boats. 

Posted by: 8 | Dec 4 2025 10:16 utc | 11

Life’s a bit different if you’re a civilian in the middle of one of our forever wars.   How it is. “Thank you for your service” doesn’t mean to them what it means to us.
 
 

Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 4 2025 10:17 utc | 12

US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth wouldn’t also happen to be pro-Israeli and to favour Israel’s interests in a dangerous world.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 4 2025 10:25 utc | 13

Hegseth cites ‘fog of war’ in defending …
 
Interpretation: ’fog in brain’ attributed to complication © China virus

Posted by: Oui | Dec 4 2025 10:38 utc | 14

The whole legal construct behind these strikes is obviously nonsense
 
Indeed it is, and it took the depraved, mental contortions of a constitutional scholar like Barrack Obama to make it so.
 
I guess Pete Hegseth can go back to beating his wife.

Posted by: john | Dec 4 2025 10:41 utc | 15

Most likely is that the “cartels” being targeted paid protection to the wrong US administration 

Posted by: Polli | Dec 4 2025 10:42 utc | 16

I want Trump to do well.  Venezuela makes me shake my head and ask, “What are you thinking? 

Posted by: Fredrick | Dec 4 2025 11:05 utc | 17

Aha, Trump’s opponents have found a target they can slaughter to hurt Trump.
Given that the US has committed far worse atrocities everywhere before without protest, I see this as political theater.
Not that I want to defend H, it was definitely illegal and another case in the endless list of US atrocities, but the fuss is hypocritical and contrived. Trump should replace him with someone else who works correctly.
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 4 2025 11:06 utc | 18

5
In 1917, only 5% of the local population was of rabbinic tradition in what the Egyptian empire called the province of “Canaan” and the Greek geographer and historian Herodotus called “Palestine”.
 
Palestine was militarily occupied by the British Empire (1917-), which allowed the arrival of a wave of violent fanatics from Russia and Ukraine who began (1936-) to massacre Palestinians, formerly known as Hebrews and before that as Canaanites.
 
JFK said that these violent fanatics from Russia and Ukraine should pay for the thousands of houses they had stolen or allow the locals to return to their homes. Some tried to return because they had all their savings hidden in their houses, and the Zionists killed them.
 
If you don’t understand, I can give you private lessons in Zionism: I enter your house with a powerful friend, I sit on the sofa, I grab the TV remote, I touch your wife’s ass, and I have to spend 90 years beating you up to defend myself
 

Posted by: Valerio del Bierzo | Dec 4 2025 11:07 utc | 19

No, this is a deepstate hit on Hegseth.  Many people in the DoW and contracting base are worried about losing thier cushy jobs and fat paychecks.  These people hate change and fight it tooth and nail.  

Posted by: Me | Dec 4 2025 11:16 utc | 20

War on Drugs convenience – Vietnam War – Golden Triangle – CIA – funding black-ops – Iran Contra affair – Israeli arms – Oliver North – Afghan opium culture
 
Obits for “Fabled Hero” of Vietnam War, Vang Pao, Omit CIA Drug Connection
 
Clinton was allegedly recruited by the Agency in the 1960s and helped cover up for drug-and gun-running operations to the Nicaraguan Contras out of Mena, Arkansas
 
Newspaper exposé by an award-winning investigative journalist Garry Webb, the US government forged an alliance with Nicaraguan Contra rebels to effect regime change in Nicaragua
 
Millions died !! This just scratches the surface … links to Florida election fraud in 2000. Data mining shredding eligible voter registrations DBT Online / ChoicePoint … electronic voting machines failed in Venezuela for regime change.
 
Etc etc etc … what was the question today?

Posted by: Oui | Dec 4 2025 11:28 utc | 21

CIA official position: this is my territory. 

Posted by: Oui | Dec 4 2025 11:32 utc | 22

From my earlier blog life …
 

Of course we now know a former pilot and drug runner Hank Ascher was the technical brain of the 2000 Voter Purge in Florida. Link between Iran-Contra and DBT/ChoicePoint via Dick Armitage. There was another IT buff who fixed the tabulators and the computer glitch to assure a Bush win in 2004. And for the 2012 Presidential Election, Romney scooped in his millions thanks to Salvadoran families funding his first investments with Bain Capital. Leave it to the Supreme Court to slant the playing field in advance to corporations over the single vote democracy of U.S. citizens.

 
What a great democracy, a shining city on the Hill must be gilded by now.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 4 2025 11:38 utc | 23

At some point, they are going to turn the US military on US citizens. The President needs a reliable Secretary of Defense (er, I mean SECRETARY OF WAR) who will assure that illegal orders to fire on US citizens are obeyed unquestioningly and without moral reservation. Hegseth will not be replaced until they can find a suitable replacement.

Posted by: Noam A Larkey | Dec 4 2025 11:39 utc | 24

Understanding Washington’s behavior “inside the Beltway” (1964-, 1997-)
 
The Big Coalition in power since the coup of November 22, 1963, is made up of three parties.
Only two votes are needed for a decision. There is usually unanimity; it is very rare to have a major debate like the big one in 2016.
 
In this case of Venezuela, the imperialist party, enthusiastic about Domination, votes in favor, the Zionist party votes in favor, and the corporatocratic party or party of big corporations, let’s assume, abstains.
 
Two votes in favor, one or none against. So be it. But the military outside the Big Coalition can think that this murders are difficult to explain

Posted by: Valerio del Bierzo | Dec 4 2025 11:42 utc | 25

I think you had too much whiskey, b, and oh you know why. 
This is wishful thinking. The likes of George Will are never trumpers, people who enjoy losing and revel in it like their liberal buddies. 
But by all means, keep dreaming.  

Posted by: Gordon Brown | Dec 4 2025 11:42 utc | 26

Posted by: Noam A Larkey | Dec 4 2025 11:39 utc | 24
 
Hegseth will not be replaced until they can find a suitable replacement
 
So, are you implying that finding a replacement for Hegseth would present some kind of a problem? That within the bowels of our glorious imperium this postmortem selection would be stymied by a lack of suitable candidates?

Posted by: john | Dec 4 2025 11:58 utc | 27

President Obama personally approved hundreds of drone strikes on terrorists based on the say so of intelligence agencies.  About 4,000 people were killed.  After action reports found that 84% of the dead human beings were not terrorists but innocents.   This ratio was known early on.  The strikes continued for years.

Posted by: Arby | Dec 4 2025 11:59 utc | 28

Trump is Caligula
 
Pete H is Caligula on the Potomac primus pilus of the praetorians.
 
Runing bug money scams to use CVN USS Ford to interdict narcotics.
 
O Temporus O Mores.

Posted by: paddy | Dec 4 2025 12:02 utc | 29

LBV now reporting that the US Terrorist State has blown up at least 20 small boats off the coast of Venezuela.
One group of murders however has caused blame shifting in the Pentagon, the killing of the men whose boat they bombed twice – the men were clinging to the sides of the boat after the first missile strike ‘ an order was given to launch a second missile which killed them men – and this murderous second attack is what’s causing blame shifting at the Pentagon.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 4 2025 12:04 utc | 30

Droning pine nut harvesters in Afghanistan, busloads of school children in Yemen, and blasting a hospital in Afghanistan from a gunship for an hour is fine, but attacking thug CIA drug runners is crossing the line! Won’t someone please think about the CIA?

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2025 12:04 utc | 31

But what sort of commemorative tattoo do we think Hegseth chooses to get for his war crimes trial?

Posted by: titmouse | Dec 4 2025 12:22 utc | 32

So, are you implying that finding a replacement for Hegseth would present some kind of a problem? That within the bowels of our glorious imperium this postmortem selection would be stymied by a lack of suitable candidates?
Posted by: john | Dec 4 2025 11:58 utc | 27
 
In any case, it is important to keep this aspect in mind. Trump still has many powerful opponents, which means he cannot always make the decisions he would prefer to make. This also applies to the selection of personnel. It is telling that his son-in-law very often fills a role that should actually belong to a member of his cabinet. Trump clearly lacks the right people for the government he wants. Trump is therefore much weaker than he is portrayed to be.
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 4 2025 12:26 utc | 33

Won’t someone please think about the CIA?
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 4 2025 12:04 utc | 31
 
The CIA is a “state within a state,” but not the same as the “deep state.”
 
This means that the CIA (as we have known since the Kennedy assassination at the latest) has its own objectives and favors its own people and goals, which may be far removed from what the president officially wants. It works for the government, but with a large gray area. (As a CIA agent once put it in the 1970s, “we deliver what the president wants to hear”). In other words, “what he wants,” not necessarily “what is.”

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 4 2025 12:35 utc | 34

The knives are out for Hogsbreath. Good. They should be. Unfortunately, this president and his appointees are corrupt, heartless pigs, just like most of every administration from Reagan to the present. Our system here breeds them. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 4 2025 12:43 utc | 35

What’s the current air traffic situation in Venezuela? The US-issued NOTAM was two weeks ago – has the situation evolved? What about shipping?

Posted by: robin | Dec 4 2025 12:59 utc | 36

The question is do you need a nuclear carrier, a nuclear submarine and a dozen war ships to blow 20 or 30 drug trafficking boats?

Posted by: scc | Dec 4 2025 13:01 utc | 37

Funny Russian puppet game ;  they are throwing the DoD chief under the bus because he throw an Admiral under the bus for a war wanted by the (neocon) DoS chief.
And , they are all going home now ?  No ? Why ? They enjoyed to see Maduro dancing that much ?

Posted by: Savonarole | Dec 4 2025 13:11 utc | 38

Why didn’t the Pentagon leak when Obama was ordering illegal double-tap drone strikes? They were waiting long enough for ambulances to arrive and then hit targets again. Did way more of those that Pete’s boats. 
Posted by: 8 | Dec 4 2025 10:16 utc | 11
 
I may be wrong but I do believe it was CIA doing the drone strikes and there was some discussion about it on this site for sure.  Are you saying it’s ok because Obama did it?

Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 4 2025 13:29 utc | 39

Maybe this whole Iraq-war-reboot themed incursion is seen to be tanking, and a fall guy is needed to take the heat. 
Interesting to note that just today Tass is floating out the idea that the Venezuela op requires  a Ukrainian ceasefire deal to be completed first. Now that the deal there is a no-go, the US is prepping a walk-back to retire this escapade if needed.
 
Worthwhile to consider the supporting arguments for this Tass thesis: why Venezuela needs the ceasefire to work.  Surely it scuttles entirely the notion of US peace-seeking as a legitimate m.o. here, secondly opens a window for tit-for-tat, and this is a big window, because the US-Nato owe Russia a cruiser —in case anyone remembers. Likely more to unpack here on the diplomatic level, but all-in-all, Hegseth is looking like a fall guy for a too big to fail Normandy invasion. Any input?

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Dec 4 2025 13:31 utc | 40

@28 Arby
 
President Obama personally approved hundreds of drone strikes on terrorists based on the say so of intelligence agencies.  About 4,000 people were killed.  After action reports found that 84% of the dead human beings were not terrorists but innocents.   This ratio was known early on.  The strikes continued for years.
 
The defense that it is ok for Hegseth to be a war criminal because other Americans are even WORSE war criminals is a very poor defense.
 
The defense that Americans should continue to support Israeli war crimes in Palestine because Russia and China won’t stop us is also a very poor defense.

Posted by: Woke American | Dec 4 2025 13:33 utc | 41

These illegal actions need to stop. On the street, cocaine’s price is going up!

Posted by: Cycling Nut | Dec 4 2025 13:41 utc | 42

I am not a great fan of most of what the Trump administration is currently doing, but…
Why are we so outraged about a few drug dealers getting zapped, when we are assisting Israel in killing and torturing I don’t know how many Palestinians?  When we invade/destabilize countries for no obvious reason and cause the deaths of countless thousands?  When we either directly, or via Israel, assassinate the civilian leaders of countries with whom we are not at war and indeed are having peace talks with?  I kind of don’t get the hysteria here.
And hey, when foreign nationals cross our borders uninvited, that makes them foreign invaders.  We have the right to use the military to repel a foreign invasion.  
Sure, I would have gone by the book, arrested the alleged drug dealers and interrogated them and used the information to roll up their supply and distribution networks.  But with all the poverty in the region, there will always be more willing to take their place – and for many, spending time in an American prison could be preferable to what they have to face at home.  Could making transporting drugs in small boats a likely death sentence be more of a deterrent?  Color me skeptical, but maybe.  
Building and equipping all these fast drug boats sounds like a lot of expense and work, suggesting that alternative transportation routes are not that effective, and that closing down this supply route really could hurt the drug cartels.  Maybe. At the very least, I have less trouble with this than what we are/have been doing in Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, etc…
 

Posted by: TG | Dec 4 2025 13:46 utc | 43

The craziest part to me about the possibility of what Hegseth did rising to the level of war crime(s) is…….  Israel??? Hello? Where every single day features multiple war crimes? 

Posted by: Seriously | Dec 4 2025 13:51 utc | 44

White Western Judeo Christian Biblical crimes and atrocities. That’s all.

Posted by: Al | Dec 4 2025 13:52 utc | 45

Regardless of the crimes of others (who should share the same fate), it would rule SO HARD to see Hegseth hanged by the neck until he is dead

Posted by: Caveman | Dec 4 2025 13:54 utc | 46

Posted by: robin | Dec 4 2025 12:59 utc | 37
 
For tracking commercial aviation, you can go to:  flightaware.com 
 
SVMI Simon Bolivar Int’l (Maiquetia Int’l) Airport (SVMI) – FlightAware
 
The current map shows light traffic, but there is definitely at least one commercial airliner landing at Caracas around 10AM EST.  
 
Remember that 90% of what Trump says is BS.  Making matters worse, the MSM never calls him out on it or follows up.  How hard would it be for some CNN reporter to pull up flightaware maps as I have?

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Dec 4 2025 13:55 utc | 47

Drugs are a government monopoly. Period. They are a bulk commodity that move like any other commodity. The CIA is not subject to customs inspection.
 
Any superstructure built on the idea freelancers are moving drugs via speedboats is nonsense.
 
Since the beginning the War On Drugs has been an occasion for politicians to showboat. This is exactly the same. The only current difference is those tasked with scripting the propaganda are inept. Competence long died out to be replaced by ideology.
 
Is Hegseth nuts? Yes. Is Trump senile and incapable. Yes. Nuts as well? Yes.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 4 2025 14:09 utc | 48

Al@46……..white? Colourist by chance?
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 4 2025 14:10 utc | 49

oldhippie@49………diplomatic pouches and diplomatic immunity move lots of drugs for the elite…..lots of trips to Kiev, when the hollyweird star power start dropping in to spread peace and love in war SMO zones, they bring relief packets for the distressed……….
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 4 2025 14:15 utc | 50

It is high time for Congress to rein both men in.

Posted by b on December 4, 2025 at 09:24 UTC | Permalink

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Hegseth was confirmed by this Congress to do exactly what he’s doing, here, in Ukraine, with the zionists, everywhere. The next guy they confirm will be a clone. It’s naive to think otherwise. 

Posted by: seer | Dec 4 2025 14:18 utc | 51

Why are we so outraged about a few drug dealers getting zapped, when we are assisting Israel in killing and torturing I don’t know how many Palestinians?  

 
Because there is a difference between the US army doing it themselves and the Zionists doing it with American guns and money and approval, even if you won’t admit it. 
 
Our host’s conclusion that the Deep State in its guise of Congress should rein in the President is weak sauce, to be as kind as possible. After conceding that the Mockingbird Media, the PMC and the Deep State in the form of law-abiding people who block the will of the People=will of Trump=will of God, all in pursuit of the woke conspiracy to replace Americans have the knives out for Hegseth, it is not even obvious that it is sincere. Those commenters who notice that they are on the side of the Trump cultists in wanting to trample those arbitrary woke restrictions and therefore resolute in defending Hegseth against the machinations of TDS are quite right to take offense on Hegseth’s behalf. The whole point of Trumpery is to wear away such moral decadence, if not utterly destroy it and the filth who live their filthy woke lives. (Yes, that is sarcasm, even though it accurately summarizes the feelings of many a Trump cultist.) 
 
I will note the claim all the drug runners are CIA is no more factual than the claims Trump won the vote in 2016, was cheated in 2020 or won a mandate in 2020. Incidentally I will note that the CIA’s historically attested use of drug monies has been to finance counterrevolutionaries, in SE Asia, in Afghanistan and in Nicaragua. The claim that Venezuelan drug runners are CIA agents supplying Maduro is insane. And if the claim is that the CIA actually relies on its dirty money to maintain its power over America and promote its woke agenda to destroy humanity for the joy of it, that’s crazy too. Every time the CIA lets its people get involved in dirty dealings with big money, they corrupt their own ideological purity. The crooks take over. William Gruff may adore the selfless dedication of the noble brotherhood he sees in the CIA, his friends (and patrons?) But those contractors are not exercising their cunning in ruling the world, they’re making bank. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 4 2025 14:22 utc | 52

OK.  There is no doubt that, at the very least, Hegseth, as the Head of the Department, has committed a crime.  Further, the service personnel, from the top, are also responsible for “pulling the trigger.”  The article is quite convincing on this.  Larry Johnson, sonar21.com, has also weighed in to this effect.
However, I do not remember this amount of condemnation for Obama’s criminal activities viz-a-viz strikes on civilians.  Why not, one wonders…..
How Obama Paved The Way For Trump’s Venezuelan Killings | ZeroHedge  

Posted by: kirklodgejo | Dec 4 2025 14:27 utc | 53

“And if the claim is that the CIA actually relies on its dirty money to maintain its power over America and promote its woke agenda to destroy humanity for the joy of it, that’s crazy too. ”
 
Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 4 2025 14:22 utc | 53
 
Wrongo.
 
You are hopelessly naive 

Posted by: canuk | Dec 4 2025 14:29 utc | 54

@52 seer
 
Hegseth was confirmed by this Congress to do exactly what he’s doing, here, in Ukraine, with the zionists, everywhere. The next guy they confirm will be a clone. It’s naive to think otherwise. 
 
That the only Americans that can be a high officials in the US are war criminals is a very good reason for the rest of the world to turn against the US.  You and others have done a good job of emphasizing just how embedded war criminals are in our government (and also our businesses as well).

Posted by: Woke American | Dec 4 2025 14:31 utc | 55

“Drugs are a government monopoly. Period. They are a bulk commodity that move like any other commodity. The CIA is not subject to customs inspection. Any superstructure built on the idea freelancers are moving drugs via speedboats is nonsense.”
 
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 4 2025 14:09 utc | 49
 
Thank you for the reality check.

Posted by: canuk | Dec 4 2025 14:32 utc | 56

Given that the occupants of the Pentagon and the White House are actively engaged in the wholesale murder of hundreds of thousands of women and children in Gaza without a shred of remorse or pity,  making a fuss about two members of the human race being illegally and immorally killed in the Caribbean rings hollow.
 
It rings hollow in the same way that speeches about the sacrosanct sovereignty of Ukraine ring hollow, whilst brushing under the carpet the violation of the sovereignty of the people of Venezuela, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Africa, Algeria, Romania, etc, etc, etc., by those self same dregs of humanity.(Not to mention the European Commission violating the Sovereignty  of all the subordinate Member States).
 
Most of the human race is no longer taken in by the attempts of manifestly obvious bloodthirsty murderers and criminals appealing to law, morality, and human decency only when they wish to manipulate public opinion, whilst conveniently ignoring it the rest of the time.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Dec 4 2025 14:36 utc | 57

Michael Levine described the “drug war” as an overnight revolution in cocaine producing and transshipment countries, a precise change in management at exactly the time GHWB ascended to the White House just about to stick his arm up Reagan’s butt and run the whole shebang for 11 years from the inside. And another 20 years messing with Clinton and pulling the strings people associate with Cheney during W’s stolen administration. (stolen by who, now?).
as if there were a difference between the two.
shadows became them.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 4 2025 14:39 utc | 58

It is high time for Congress to rein both men in.
 
This is not the role Congress plays under the Constitution. It cannot act under a Bill of Attainder. 
 
For some insight into the process that the Executive branch goes through to make the decision to strike see the interview by Napolitano of Col. ret. Tony Shaffer. https://www.youtube.com/live/K04aE4wf44M?si=LBuCc0nCb_pBVykZ
 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 4 2025 14:40 utc | 59

Back in the 80s I lived on the 3100. block of Clifton in Chicago’s Lakeview. The next two blocks east, Seminary and Kenmore, were Herrera territory. I’ve no idea if a drug kingpin named Lucho Herrera existed but it was said he did. 
 
Semi-tractors delivered Mexican brown heroin on those residential streets. Mexican families broke the heroin down into small glassine envelopes. Another round of semis came and picked up the packaged product. Everyone knew what was happening. There was no secret. A few envelopes would spill in the street and you could check it yourself. The area was in early stages of gentrification and it was proceeding rapidly. The gentrifiers loved the Mexican drug trade. It meant there was absolute zero street crime. Heavy manners all around.
 
Police protection? Why would they need police protection? 
 
Then the franchise moved to Afghanistan.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 4 2025 14:52 utc | 60

every day in gaza 30-50 deaths blood ritual talmoodick slaughter blood simple not libel.
every day a slaughter house
and yet the name stealers and identity thieves the khazar land pirates are eternal victim only defending themselves.down side up up side down.
from congress to the us senate  many of these snakes have signed missiles and bombs that have atomized the holy land killed hundreds of thousands of the real chosen people those in gaza.
 
In 1917, only 5% of the local population was of rabbinic tradition in what the Egyptian empire called the province of “Canaan” and the Greek geographer and historian Herodotus called “Palestine”. Palestine was militarily occupied by the British Empire (1917-), which allowed the arrival of a wave of violent fanatics from Russia and Ukraine who began (1936-) to massacre Palestinians, formerly known as Hebrews and before that as Canaanites. JFK said that these violent fanatics from Russia and Ukraine should pay for the thousands of houses they had stolen or allow the locals to return to their homes. Some tried to return because they had all their savings hidden in their houses, and the Zionists killed them. If you don’t understand, I can give you private lessons in Zionism: I enter your house with a powerful friend, I sit on the sofa, I grab the TV remote, I touch your wife’s ass, and I have to spend 90 years beating you up to defend myself 
Posted by: Valerio del Bierzo | Dec 4 2025 11:07 utc | 19

Posted by: normal wisdom | Dec 4 2025 14:53 utc | 61

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 4 2025 14:40 utc | 60

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The Constitution says only the Congress can declare war. Congress abdicated that power long ago, as presidents seized it up, but neither is constitutional.
 
Root cause.
 
The rest is just squabbling, as we see in here, which the Blob loves. Divide and rule, AND get all the wars they want. 

Posted by: seer | Dec 4 2025 14:53 utc | 62

People are missing the Message.1. US is chickening out of war with Russia AND war with China.Loads of evidence of this.  They are happy if Europe wants to be the new Ukrainian proxies (as Germany was in WW2).  And if Japan wants to take a lead in China baiting.But no American involvement and No American funding.Why?  Sudden burst of rationality?  US military telling them they would certainly lose?  Most likely Bessent telling them they can’t fund anything more?  and they all know they are 5-10 years behind Russia and a bit less behind China in arms development with nothing available at a sensible cost.2.  US has to play the big bad bully.  Trump needs to pretend, the dollar needs military cred, and tarriff strategy is based on the new open and loud bully (as opposed to the old quiet one).Evidence?  Ministry of War.  Taking on … Venezuela.  Backing peace in Ukraine weeks before Kiev collapses.  Ducking even Houthis and Iran.  Not enough?

Posted by: Michael Droy | Dec 4 2025 14:55 utc | 63

Posted by: TG | Dec 4 2025 13:46 utc | 44
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I’m outraged because this campaign HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FIGHTING DRUG DEALERS.
Simple.

Posted by: scc | Dec 4 2025 15:05 utc | 64

The Eurotards and Brits are responsible for far far more murders. It can be called war to give murder a pretty name.
As for the Americans attacking little boats and killing people in the Caribbean, its about all they’re capable of.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 15:06 utc | 65

With his threatening and absurd declarations Trump is influencing nutcases in his team to dig his political grave 

Posted by: Virgile | Dec 4 2025 15:13 utc | 66

I just scanned the Reuters headlines and the propaganda as the western world collapses is unbelievable. The fucking Jews and a UK enquiry on Putin’s Novichok.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 15:14 utc | 67

It is high time for Congress to rein both men in. This is not the role Congress plays under the Constitution. It cannot act under a Bill of Attainder. — frithguild #60

Reining in these deviants involves investigating and impeaching them — which Congress has an absolute, constitutional mandate to do.
No ‘Bill of Attainder’ has been filed or proposed. That’s not even a part of this discussion.

Posted by: Jim H | Dec 4 2025 15:18 utc | 68

@64 Michael Droy
 
People are missing the Message.1. US is chickening out of war with Russia AND war with China.
 
People are understanding it more and more.  The people here defending Hegseth are helping Russia and China out in 2 important ways.
 
First of all, the fact that we are resorting to sinking small boats as our way of showing how much we like killing people and how powerful we are is about a big a sign of weakness as there is.  It also reminds everyone that Americans kill people just for the fun of it, so it is useless for them to surrender, and they might as well fight to the death if need be.  The people here defending Hegseth reinforce these idea very powerfully.
 
Second of all, US diplomatic endeavors in Central Asia shows that the US has only begun to destabilize and destroy other nations.  Ukraine is a nation in name only, and attempts are being made to do the same to Kazakhstan and other Central Asian nations.  If the US could get Kazakhstan to rise up the way we got Ukraine to rise up, we could ruin Kazakhstan for generations, and bleed Russia a LOT as Kazakhstan has a very long border with Russia, and is in drone range of deep Russia.
 
As much as I would like Russia and China to more strongly defend Palestine, the brutal truth is that we kill people all over the world.  Russia and China have to pick and choose where they intervene and how strongly they intervene.  Europe is waving a big huge sign INTERVENE HERE, WE CAN TAKE IT.  So is Japan.  Winning the peace for as many people as possible after the wars end will not be easy.  

Posted by: Woke American | Dec 4 2025 15:19 utc | 69

This and similar assessments miss the bigger picture. 
 
If US “Intel” is 100% certain that these are short hop drug couriers, then they must also be able to identify with a small amount of additional effort and equal certainty, the upstream source and downstream destinations. Why focus on the weakest and most easily replaced link in the total supply chain?
 
There are possible answers:1. Bombing small boats is risk free and makes for good TV and social media optics2. The upstream and downstream players are “protected”.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Dec 4 2025 15:19 utc | 70

So Hegseth was and is a brutal man (and before that a ruthless soldier)
 
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 4 2025 9:49 utc | 4
 

 
Before Hegseth was a ruthless soldier he was an Ivy League student, Princeton then Yale, with impossibly low academic credentials for anyone without “connections”.
 
Hegseth is incorrigible because he belongs to the class of Americans for which behaviour has no consequences.
 
Until Hegseth and his many co-clubmembers are taken to account and made to suffer for their misdeeds no progress is possible.
 

Posted by: too scents | Dec 4 2025 15:24 utc | 71

*** Root cause. The rest is just squabbling, as we see in here, which the Blob loves. Divide and rule, AND get all the wars they want. 
Posted by: seer | Dec 4 2025 14:53 utc | 63
 
Please don’t mistake my comment (I don’t think you have) as an endorsement for how the US Executive presently behaves. The War Powers Act unconstitutionally delegates war powers to the Executive, though the Supremes have never dealt with this issue. With this “safety” on the power of life and death removed, government will inevitably kill because the primary function of government is to immunize sociopathic government officials against the liability that an ordinary person cannot escape and because humans are envious, jealous, horny and violent monkeys. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 4 2025 15:24 utc | 72

2. The upstream and downstream players are “protected”.
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Dec 4 2025 15:19 utc | 71
 
It’s too much work and carries too great a risk that American units will (also) suffer casualties (cf. Mexico).
So, as always in the American style: bomb the weaker ones, no risk to ourselves, except that videos of it may unexpectedly surface. Otherwise, anything goes, as long as there are no witnesses.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 4 2025 15:26 utc | 73

But what sort of commemorative tattoo do we think Hegseth chooses to get for his war crimes trial?
Posted by: titmouse | Dec 4 2025 12:22 utc | 32
 
I still have not decerned where the line is: between those that are ABOVE the law and those that subject to the law. Will Hegseth walk free? Like Patreus? Like Obama? It does seem that Justice, with her sword and scales, is no longer blindfolded.

Posted by: Original Newbie | Dec 4 2025 15:27 utc | 74

Hegseth in 2016 – saying that people doing unlawful things and committing war crimes MUST face the  consequences – fast forward to today and Hegesth is one of those people.
 
Watch the 27 second clip of Hegseth saying the above.
 
Monitor𝕏 (@MonitorX99800): “🇺🇸⚡️- THROWBACK: Pete Hegseth back in 2016: If you’re doing something that is just completely unlawful and ruthless, then there is a consequence for that. That’s why the military said it won’t follow unlawful orders from their commander-in-chief.” | nitter.poast.org

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 4 2025 15:31 utc | 75

It is high time for Congress to rein both men in.

They need to answer in front or a court for these murders. Nuremberg style.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 4 2025 15:34 utc | 77

Unmanned Yankee drone caught spying on Iran.
 
Monitor𝕏 (@MonitorX99800): “🇺🇸🇮🇷⚡- Meanwhile a US MQ-4C Triton is spying on Iran in the Persian Gulf.” | nitter.poast.org
 
 

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 4 2025 15:36 utc | 78

I haven’t seen the Franklin X posting that Hegseth has up here yet     b should have led with it, IMO
 
Pete Hegseth telling folks what to wish for on their Christmas list
 
The creator of the kids book Hegseth stole the character from is not pleased
 
Pete Hegseth is a very hurt human who is projecting that hurt onto others.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 4 2025 15:37 utc | 79

On Venezuela – the WaPo has a story in it that says Trumps want to relocate Maduro to Qatar – and that Maduro is packing up ready to depart Venezuela with his family.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 4 2025 15:38 utc | 80

nobody is getting reined in.
somebody is gonna pay.
crypto, I imagine.
 
not one of those war criminals has any objection,
no matter what the script says.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 4 2025 15:40 utc | 81

Obama and Biden’s handlers made American murder look pretty. Trump and psychopath Hegseth have yet to make the grade. After the wanton slaughter of Obama and Biden, I find it a bit difficult to get excited over the Trump killings. A perfect world would be nice though.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 15:42 utc | 82

*** Reining in these deviants involves investigating and impeaching them — which Congress has an absolute, constitutional mandate to do.No ‘Bill of Attainder’ has been filed or proposed. *** 
Posted by: Jim H | Dec 4 2025 15:18 utc | 69
 
True. Once the cow is out of the barn, however, Congress has no power to provide a remedy to right a wrong. It can only investigate so that Congress may consider legislation that will prevent the same type of wrong from happening again or to impeach. This Congress will not act because the Committees that may investigate are Chaired by Republicans. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 4 2025 15:45 utc | 83

And hey, when foreign nationals cross our borders uninvited, that makes them foreign invaders. We have the right to use the military to repel a foreign invasion.
 
Posted by: TG | Dec 4 2025 13:46 utc | 44
 
#####
 
This is what Hamas and Hezbollah believe.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2025 15:46 utc | 84

I can’t recall.  Did anyone get ousted after Abu Graib?  After collateral murder?  During the ongoing genocide in Gaza?  
I agree he and pretty much every elected official in the US should be ousted.  But, if Hegseth goes it won’t because he illegally killed these men.  Obama did that routinely on his terror Tuesdays when he would select people to be murdered abroad.  
If Hegseth was working under a Dem administration, nobody would bat an eyelash.  In fact, it wouldn’t even be reported.  You see them Dem faction hold the media.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 4 2025 15:47 utc | 85

Hegseth is a fungible cog in a vast Imperialist system of genocide.  A systems analysis is required to understand things properly, not an obsessive focus on the psychology of one, insignificant triggerman of Imperialism.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 4 2025 15:53 utc | 86

There are possible answers:1. Bombing small boats is risk free and makes for good TV and social media optics2. The upstream and downstream players are “protected”.
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Dec 4 2025 15:19 utc | 71
 
The intel is good enough that the US knows who the boat operators are and what they had for breakfast. cf Tony Shaffer of Judging Freedom this am. As far as getting optics, it has been the rule in the press for ages that if it bleeds it leads. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 4 2025 15:54 utc | 87

A hierarchy is a chain of command. Ideally, everyone takes responsibility for their actions.
In practice, however, adherence to the hierarchy is what counts, because responsibility is passed down from the top to the bottom. That is why instructions are often given verbally. Initiative that is not ordered but motivated is sold as an interpretation of (unclear) instructions; one only carries out orders.
This blind chain of command means power because it concentrates and organizes the energy of individuals.
Hegeth is just one name among many that represent the same problem: US society.
It calls itself a democracy and places the fate of all in the hands of a few. It respects the law in the US and tortures in Guantanamo.
 
 
War against drugs from venezuela?

The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provides data on drug overdose death rates and totals in the United States.
 
Around 76,500 people died in the 12-month period ending April 30, 2025, at a rate of 210 deaths per day.

Of the roughly 110,700 drug overdose deaths in 2021 (the total at the time that these numbers were calculated), opioids were involved in about 80,400, or nearly 73%, of cases, with synthetic opioids other than methadone (primarily fentanyl) involved in around 70,600, or nearly 64%, of all deaths.

Or look at opium production in Afghanistan from 1990 to 2023 …  especially during the NATO period.
 
In my view, the knowledge and experience of a large number of people is superior to that of an individual. I also believe that this is precisely what democracy is all about. We decide together, we act together, we live together—except for the outsiders from England, of course.
 

Posted by: Blindspot | Dec 4 2025 15:55 utc | 88

Leaders evading responsibility by scapegoating others is the fog of war. Leaks from underlings undermining the legitimacy of commanders authority are the fog of war. Insisting increases of brutality against civilians, prisoners of war, and survivors are the fog of war. Fog, a visual cover to hide or mask intentions, maneuvers, and outcomes, has always been a tool of war. The new theme survivors of the attacks on boats in the Caribbean were using communications to resume their ‘mission,’ legitimizes the double tap strike and is produced by the mechanism of obfuscation. An important tool for waging wars of aggression.  

Posted by: Keme | Dec 4 2025 15:55 utc | 89

What you say about Hegseth is true but they had knives out for him before day one. It was a major fight to get him approved. Whatever criminals are in charge of the Pentagon didn’t want him there. He wrecks the coffee klatch of those in charge. They don’t want anyone knowing their business. Much worse has been done by US than what Hegseth has done. Anyhow, when GOP loses 2026 midterms they’ll impeach Trump again. 

Posted by: susan mullen | Dec 4 2025 15:56 utc | 90

“So I’m just waiting for the usual suspects (like Messrs. Brennan or Gruff) to chime in here and scold us all for being such pussies about this whole blowing-the-drug-boats-and-all-their-occupants-to-Kingdom-Come, because, you know, the drugs, the DRUGS! Think of the poor United Statesian fentanyl VICTIMS!”
 

In brief, straw man argumentation

 
What utter horseshit*. All this crap about the 4 big engines and how could anyone mistake that for anything except a vessel for carrying DRUGS to the USA?  – George the Zeroth 

 
Indeed it is horseshit but then, you should know as you are the source. However, I did mention that the engines cost about $175-200K or about 10-20 houses, while steering clear of their intended purpose but that said, they’re not indicative of a poor fisherman’s pango.  FYI, in that same post I condemned the killing but facts matter little to a delusioned DNC illusionist.

Meanwhile his hero pardons a convicted narco-trafficker. Meanwhile the real countries that supply the drugs—Colombia and Mexico—get a complete pass.   – George the Zeroth 

 
More straw-man dissemination…yawn. Yeah Thankfully, after all the lies “The Zeroth” gets to the blue-no-matter-who rant.

So puleeze, spare us your god-damned motherfucking “TDS
– George the Zeroth

 
All those lies just to finally unveil a DNC talking point…my…my…”Zeroth” you and “Dumbass” have very similar “reasoning skills”.

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 4 2025 15:58 utc | 91

test

Posted by: Blindspot | Dec 4 2025 16:02 utc | 92

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 4 2025 15:37 utc | 80
 
Some of the image responses to Hegseth’s children’s book cover are hilarious.
https://x.com/PeteHegseth/status/1995291042346852861

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Dec 4 2025 16:02 utc | 93

Americans claiming that drug trafficking legitimises the right for a foreign state to murder you with no trial. Very funny, extraordinarily ignorant.
Your own government and army are some of the biggest drug smugglers in the world.
Just look at how they turned Afghanistan back into the world’s biggest heroin producer while under their occupation.
Using Yankee logic all US citizens are legit targets because their taxes fund narcotic smuggling and associated violence.

Posted by: Biggpapi | Dec 4 2025 16:02 utc | 94

A hierarchy is a chain of command. Ideally, everyone takes responsibility for their actions.
In practice, however, adherence to the hierarchy is what counts, because responsibility is passed down from the top to the bottom. That is why instructions are often given verbally. Initiative that is not ordered but motivated is sold as an interpretation of (unclear) instructions; one only carries out orders.
This blind chain of command means power because it concentrates and organizes the energy of individuals.
Hegeth is just one name among many that represent the same problem: US society.
It calls itself a democracy and places the fate of all in the hands of a few. It respects the law in the US and tortures in Guantanamo.
 
War against drugs from venezuela?

The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provides data on drug overdose death rates and totals in the United States.
Around 76,500 people died in the 12-month period ending April 30, 2025, at a rate of 210 deaths per day.

Of the roughly 110,700 drug overdose deaths in 2021 (the total at the time that these numbers were calculated), opioids were involved in about 80,400, or nearly 73%, of cases, with synthetic opioids other than methadone (primarily fentanyl) involved in around 70,600, or nearly 64%, of all deaths.

Or look at opium production in Afghanistan from 1990 to 2023 …  especially during the NATO period.
In my view, the knowledge and experience of a large number of people is superior to that of an individual. I also believe that this is precisely what democracy is all about. We decide together, we act together, we live together. 
 

Posted by: Blindspot | Dec 4 2025 16:03 utc | 95

We don’t always agree but, my thoughts exactly couldn’t have said it better:

…[Hegseth] and pretty much every elected official in the US should be ousted. But, if Hegseth goes it won’t because he illegally killed these men. Obama did that routinely on his terror Tuesdays when he would select people to be murdered abroad.
 
If Hegseth was working under a Dem administration, nobody would bat an eyelash. In fact, it wouldn’t even be reported
– Ahenobarbus 86

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 4 2025 16:04 utc | 96

From the moment he was hired, I sensed Hegseth would be a patsy.
 
The orders come from Trump but Hegseth followed them unquestionably.
 
After a revolution, it normal to line up the “true believers” and shoot them in the back of the head.
 
Now that the revolution is over, their zeal has become a parody, and a reminder of what the revolution promised but now that it is in charge will not achieve.
 
Hegseth was always built to be eaten by the machine in an endless array of scapegoats.
 
The whole thing is criminal and at this moment Trump is chief among them. Hegseth will fall to buy Trump more time. But eventually both will meet the same end.
 
Once one understands the script, it becomes easier to predict the next act in the play.
 
The drug problem has always been a CIA thing which they learned from the British. Trump is too weak to take on the CIA.
 
If Trump cared about drugs, he’d be arresting and shutting down all of the people transacting with drug money.
 
He can sanction Cuba but he can’t sanction a cartel…
 
This is all errata in the story of Imperial collapse.
 
No one will talk about Hegseth 30 years from now. He won’t even be the butt of jokes…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2025 16:05 utc | 97

People who don’t support Americas endless wars don’t care about red Vs blue
American empire is the enemy. The colour tie they wear is immaterial to anyone who understands how things work.
Trump fanatics think he hates the Clinton’s hahah.
Him and bill were spit roasting kids and sucking each other off decades ago.
The idea that the Dems are republicans are actually at odds is hilarious, they both serve the exact same people.

Posted by: Biggpapi | Dec 4 2025 16:09 utc | 98

One moron is sticking to his conspiracy theory about trump targeting (fake) drug dealers to weaken the cia! ROTFL!!!
 
Of course he has no evidence, none, zero, not even that the people on the boats are drug dealers. The cia has other means to import drugs into the yankeeland. Planes much are quicker. Strange, I am not aware of any plane being shot down.
 
His only arguments are fallacies, that is: he has no argument, none, zero. He goes as much as to say that people condemning the killing of civilians now, did not do it when it happened under Obama. What a fucking moron only able to stawman fallacies! Killing civilians is a crime now, before and always.
 
A psychopath taking the defense of a psychopath who appointed a psychopath as a ministry.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 4 2025 16:10 utc | 99

“And if the claim is that the CIA actually relies on its dirty money to maintain its power over America and promote its woke agenda to destroy humanity for the joy of it, that’s crazy too. ” Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 4 2025 14:22 utc | 53 Wrongo. You are hopelessly naive 
Posted by: canuk | Dec 4 2025 14:29 utc | 55
 
Ad personam fallacy. Of course no argument.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 4 2025 16:18 utc | 100