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December 1, 2025
Soldiers Have ‘Duty To Refuse’ Hegseth’s Order To Commit War Crimes

My post on Trump’s war on Venezuela two days ago mentioned a Washington Post report (archived) about a war crime directly ordered by U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth:

The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command centers became that the 11 people on board were ferrying drugs.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a spoken directive, according to two people with direct knowledge of the operation. “The order was to kill everybody,” one of them said.

A missile screamed off the Trinidad coast, striking the vessel and igniting a blaze from bow to stern. For minutes, commanders watched the boat burning on a live drone feed. As the smoke cleared, they got a jolt: Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck.

The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack — the opening salvo in the Trump administration’s war on suspected drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere — ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions, two people familiar with the matter said. The two men were blown apart in the water.

The Intercept had previously reported (archived) the second strike the U.S. military had launched against survivors:

People on board the boat off the coast of Venezuela that the U.S. military destroyed last Tuesday were said to have survived an initial strike, according to two American officials familiar with the matter. They were then killed shortly after in a follow-up attack.

Last week, a high-ranking Pentagon official who spoke to the Intercept on the condition of anonymity said that the strike in the Caribbean was a criminal attack on civilians and said that the Trump administration paved the way for it by firing the top legal authorities of the Army and the Air Force earlier this year.

“The U.S. is now directly targeting civilians. Drug traffickers may be criminals but they aren’t combatants,” the War Department official said. “When Trump fired the military’s top lawyers the rest saw the writing on the wall, and instead of being a critical firebreak they are now a rubber stamp complicit in this crime.”

The high-ranking Pentagon official is correct in that the strikes against boats in international waters are criminal attacks on civilians.

But the killing of survivors of such strikes is more than that. It is undoubtedly a war crime.

Hegseth’s order to kill survivors was clearly illegal. It was the duty of the soldiers in the line of command to reject the order. That they have not done so but followed the order is in itself a war crime.

How do we know this?

Because the Department of Defense’s LAW OF WAR MANUAL (LOWM) (pdf) says so:

18.3 DUTIES OF INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES

Each member of the armed services has a duty to: (1) comply with the law of war in good faith; and (2) refuse to comply with clearly illegal orders to commit violations of the law of war.

Further down the Manual uses the exact case in question,  an order to kill survivors at sea, as an example of an illegal order:

18.3.2 Refuse to Comply With Clearly Illegal Orders to Commit Law of War Violations.
Members of the armed forces must refuse to comply with clearly illegal orders to commit law of war violations. In addition, orders should not be construed to authorize implicitly violations of law of war.

18.3.2.1 Clearly Illegal Orders to Commit Law of War Violations.
The requirement to refuse to comply with orders to commit law of war violations applies to orders to perform conduct that is clearly illegal or orders that the subordinate knows, in fact, are illegal. For example, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal.27

Every soldier down the line of command, from the commanding general receiving Hegseth’s verbal order down to the guys who pushed the button to launch the missile had the duty to reject the order. Those who have not done so are themselves guilty.

The footnote in 18.3.2.1 points to the case of the Canadian hospital ship HMHS Llandovery Castle which on 27 June 1918 had been torpedoed by a German U-Boot:

The sinking was the deadliest Canadian naval disaster of the war. 234 doctors, nurses, members of the Canadian Army Medical Corps, soldiers and seamen died in the sinking and subsequent machine-gunning of lifeboats.

In 1921 a German court sentenced two officers to years in prison because they had followed the illegal order of the submarine’s captain, Helmut Brümmer-Patzig, to kill the survivors.

According to the footnote in the LoWM the court said:

“It is certainly to be urged in favor of the military subordinates, that they are under no obligation to question the order of their superior officer, and they can count upon its legality. But no such confidence can be held to exist, if such an order is universally known to everybody, including also the accused, to be without any doubt whatever against the law. This happens only in rare and exceptional cases. But this case was precisely one of them, for in the present instance, it was perfectly clear to the accused that killing defenceless people in the life-boats could be nothing else but a breach of the law. As naval officers by profession they were well aware, as the naval expert Saalwiachter has strikingly stated, that one is not legally authorized to kill defenceless people. They well knew that this was the case here. They quickly found out the facts by questioning the occupants in the boats when these were stopped. They could only have gathered, from the order given by Patzig, that he wished to make use of his subordinates to carry out a breach of the law. They should, therefore, have refused to obey.”

It can not be more clear. The DoD’s Law of Warfare manual is using the case of killing survivors at sea as an example of an illegal order. Today the court would say:

“They could only have gathered, from the order given by Hedseth, that he wished to make use of his subordinates to carry out a breach of the law. They should, therefore, have refused to obey.”

There are signs that one commanding officer did his duty and refused to execute Hegseth’s illegal order. On October 16 the U.S. military attacked another, the sixth, vessel. Two of the four people on board survived and were rescued:

President Trump said that the two survivors of a U.S. military strike Thursday on a vessel in the Caribbean Sea will be returned to their countries of origin.

One survivor is from Ecuador and the other is from Colombia.

Thursday’s strike marks the sixth known boat attack in the area since last month — and the first known attack with survivors. Mr. Trump said the strike was against a submarine carrying mostly fentanyl and other illegal narcotics.

A Navy helicopter transported the survivors from the semi-submersible to a Navy ship, a source familiar with the matter confirmed to CBS News on Friday.

“It is the custom of the sea to save people who are at risk in international waters. You don’t sort of sail on. That’s against every principle of naval activity,” Eugene R. Fidell, a senior research scholar at Yale Law School, told CBS News on Friday. “You’re supposed to save people, even though the people here are people who are only in danger because the U.S. was attempting to kill them.”

On the very same day those survivors were rescued, October 16, the DoD announced that the head of its Southern Command was ‘stepping down’:

The military commander overseeing the Pentagon’s escalating attacks against boats in the Caribbean Sea that the Trump administration says are smuggling drugs is stepping down, three U.S. officials said Thursday.

The officer, Adm. Alvin Holsey, is leaving his job as head of the U.S. Southern Command, which oversees all operations in Central and South America, even as the Pentagon has rapidly built up some 10,000 forces in the region in what it says is a major counterdrug and counterterrorism mission.

It was unclear why Holsey is leaving now, less than a year into his tenure, and in the midst of the biggest operation in his 37-year career. But one of the U.S. officials, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss personnel matters, said that Holsey had raised concerns about the mission and the attacks on the alleged drug boats.

It now seems clear that Admiral Holsey got fired for not following Hegseth’s illegal order and for ordering the rescue of the survivors of the strike.

Hegseth meanwhile reveals himself as veritable psychopath:

Pete Hegseth @PeteHegseth – 0:37 UTC · Dec 1, 2025

For your Christmas wish list…

@U.S. Southern Command

There are signs that Congress is waking up to the issue (archived) and that Hegseth’s order may well have real consequences for him:

A top Republican and Democrats in Congress suggested on Sunday that American military officials might have committed a war crime in President Trump’s offensive against boats in the Caribbean after a news report said that during one such attack, a follow-up strike was ordered to kill survivors.

The lawmakers’ comments came after top Republicans and Democrats on the two congressional committees overseeing the Pentagon vowed over the weekend to increase their scrutiny of U.S. boat strikes in the Caribbean after the report. Mr. Turner said the [Washington Post] article had only sharpened lawmakers’ already grave questions about the operation.

The senators and member of congress should grow a spine and use their power over the budget to reign in the president. The secretary of defense must be fired from his position. Admiral Holsey must be reinstate as Southern Command.

Comments

the US has normalized killing survivors for quite a while, after what about double tap missile strikes – during the war on Iraq (and Afghanistan), the US would strike targets (weddings, suspected terrorists, etc..), wait 30 mins than hit the target again, obviously trying to kill rescue and medical personal trying to rescue the wounded? Obviously that is a war crime but the US has spent more than 20 years doing that (remember Obama killing that 16 boy, Oops, “Collateral Damage”) this is the American normal and has been for a long time
 
Posted by: Kadat
Exactly.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 1 2025 16:30 utc | 101

They’ve been labeled terrorists so they get the terrorist treatment: droned or bombed till terminated. I don’t agree with it, but these crimes have been going on uninterruptedly, in the post-9/11 context since Iraq (obviously since there’s been war). So yes it represents a murderous regression, which shows US weakness rather than strength. But then the election of Trump and then Biden and then Trump shows to allies and “foes” alike executive weakness not strength. Meaning that an oligarchic coup has taken place in the US centered on unregulated AI which is ultimately meant to protect the few from the many, through the monopoly of easily deniable annihilative power without public democratic oversight. In light of a speculated rush to possible human annihilation, as Silicon Valley AI executives themselves all too easily admit exists qua danger, AI should be a public good undertaken as a moon landing or CERN-like project, otherwise you are creating massive liar paradox titan machines to safeguard the hegemony of an imperial oligarchic few. Thus greatest epistemic fraud in the history of civilization.

Posted by: Ludovic | Dec 1 2025 16:30 utc | 102

Posted by: Bismarck | Dec 1 2025 14:52 utc | 61
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https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00845R000100170001-8.pdf
Eat it.

Posted by: scc | Dec 1 2025 16:34 utc | 103

When questioned Senator Mark Kelly said that there’s been no illegal orders he can name.
He was one of the voices talking about illegal orders. Therefore the history of illegal orders, war crimes and pdf manuals is all very interesting but irrelevant. 
Maybe it’s because US law is crazy, and makes crazy things legal(or illegal) but thats for the lawyers to decide.  How can a front line soldier do that without sticking his own neck out?
People like Kelly should do that for them before the orders come in. Until that happens this is a nothing burger.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 1 2025 16:36 utc | 104

Before I get STJ screaming I’m a Trumpist, I want to be clear: there is another, much more dangerous faction of Imperialism out there.  They have been making a concerted media effort to get you to scapegoat one man, one administration for it’s own crimes over at least 100 years.  Trump will go, and they will prop up another genocidal war criminal with more uniform media backing. Of this, you can be sure.  
Let’s please take a historical view of Imperialism now.  I can get the pearl clutching two minutes Trump hate from the girls on The View.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 1 2025 16:38 utc | 105

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 1 2025 16:26 utc | 102
 
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But Obama! 😂😂😂
 
Again just because someone did evil before doesn’t make it normalized now. That’s Gruff’s Talmudic “logic”.
 
Evil is evil and a threat to every human regardless of age, race, or sex.
 
Yes, America has done evil. The UK has done evil. The Germans, Belgians, the Cree, the Mayans. Everyone.
 
That isn’t a licence to do the same.
 
It’s all evil.
 
Race to the bottom “thinking” is exactly what the Zionists want. To demoralize and dirty all of us.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 16:38 utc | 106

If they were bringing in nuclear material, or bioterror weapons, would the strikes be justified?Posted by: FrankDrakman

No.  Its a Civil Matter – USCG arrest. 

Posted by: Exile | Dec 1 2025 16:43 utc | 107

@12
 
Thank you,
 
Paddy

Posted by: paddy | Dec 1 2025 16:52 utc | 108

“It’s all evil.”
 
Just some are more evil than others, apparently. Was the dembot this adamant about equity in evil when President Autopen was in office? Not at all. Even then the bot’s focus was on Trump, even though Trump wasn’t in office.
 
 
The bot’s purpose is to try and help infect this corner of the Internet with TDS so that when the next election arrives the victims will cry “Vote anyone but Trump!! Aargh!!!” in an effort to ease the anguish of that mental disorder… even though Trump cannot run again anyway! Well, spreading the TDS mind virus is its own reward since misery loves company. There is nothing more painful to the mentally ill than being confronted with the existence of the mentally healthy.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 16:53 utc | 109

Its a Civil Matter – USCG arrest.
Posted by: Exile | Dec 1 2025 16:43 utc | 111
 
Wrong. This is not a civil matter, but a criminal one.(If you can’t distinguish between the different areas of law, you shouldn’t just parrot something, but first educate yourself.)

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 16:53 utc | 110

Lawless thugs. War criminals. Hegseth belongs in a Nuremberg style court.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2025 16:55 utc | 111

Hosley is leaving because he is a DEI Joey Boy Biden appointee, enough said.  There is no doubt the Hosley is hostile to the attacks on the drug smugglers, and is the leaker.  He needs to be immediately relieved of duty and court marshalled.  His duty is to execute the orders of the Commander in Chief to attack the cartels responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American citizens.
There is no evidence that the Secretary of War ordered a second strike on the drug boat to kill the survivors, none.
The Secretary has denied that any such order was ever issued.
He ordered the first strike on the drug boat, clearly not a fishing boat, powered by four 330 hp Honda outboards, with no fishing equipment of any kind.  This is a high speed heroin, fent and cocaine delivery vessel operated by the cartel….fair game……
Lets not confuse this action with the clear violations of international law in Gaza, or the Philippines or in Japan or in Germany or in Russia during WWII.

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 16:55 utc | 112

For the “it’s all the same as it ever was by the USA” folks on the thread, I’ve been following these events closely since Yugoslavia in the 90’s and, like a ratcheting wrench, the illegality and hypocrisy seems to go up to a new and more in your face level with every event. This current situation is about as brazen a case of pure murder for politics that we have seen … utterly immoral and senseless. That the NatSec party is choosing this issue as a cause is indeed interesting, however. 
 
As to the common people’s lack of concern about all this, they have been well-conditioned to react with Pavlovian violence to anything labeled “terrorism” over the past 25 years. So all you have to do is associate the disposable enemy du jour with that term and there will be minimal resistance to whatever you intend to do including war crimes. 

Posted by: Caliman | Dec 1 2025 17:02 utc | 113

OT but…on a positive note, sensible [everybody wins] migration policy from ZH’s Tyler Durden:
 

Russia is “getting rid of 700,000-plus migrants, mostly Central Asians, a process which was jump started by the terrorist attack on Crocus City Hall in outer Moscow in March 2024”, but “the Concept of State Migration Policy for 2026-2030…focuses on…attracting only those migrants who share the ‘traditional spiritual and moral values’ of Russian society.”  Putin spoke about the security threats posed by “the migration factor” in early November…not declared, but the innuendo is that Central Asian [see Turkic-head-chopping-chumps financed by London’s-MI-6ers/DC’s-3LAs and Erdogan] Muslims are at a greater risk of radicalism and being manipulated by foreign forces than other labor migrants such as Indians…especially Hindus.
 
It’s within this economic-security context that Russia is exploring a large-scale migrant labor deal with India that might be clinched during the Putin-Modi Summit. To be clear, recent policy changes won’t lead to Indians playing a role in “population replacement”, only in labor replacement since most likely won’t be offered a path to residency and then citizenship. The sole purpose is for Indians to meet Russia’s labor shortage for profitable remittance opportunities.  Indians are among the most Russian-friendly people in the world as proven by credible surveys, they harbor no historical grievances (whether objectively existing or subjectively perceived) that could be manipulated by foreign forces to weaponize them against Russia  It therefore wouldn’t be surprising if Putin clinches a large-scale labor migration deal with Modi

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 1 2025 17:02 utc | 114

Too effing bad for the brown assed terroists. Pete should have used PUFF or a couple of A-10 Thunder Bolts on that boat. 

Posted by: Randolph Scott | Dec 1 2025 17:06 utc | 115

For an example of deranged Pavlovian response, see T Cole #116 … 
 
Criminals are captured, interrogated (to find who they work for), tried, and imprisoned if guilty … they are not summarily executed. That is barbarism. 

Posted by: Caliman | Dec 1 2025 17:08 utc | 116

So if a USCG cutter apprehended a cartel drug boat which refused to stop, and then opened fire with its main 76mm autocannon on the drug boat that would be a ‘war crime’ ?  Really now!
Complete nonsense, the US has every single right to protect US citizens from mass casualty events that are in fact the fent epidemic……….and are doing so.
Joey Boy Biden, the most senile and incompetent and corrupt POTUS in American history, deliberately, with the conveyance of our enemies and Hussein Obama, completely opened up our border to over 20 m unchecked illegal aliens including terrorists, drug mules, drug smugglers, cartel soldiers, rapists, murders, sex offenders, burglars, armed robbers, car thieves, and ODCs.  That era is over, deal with it globalists.
Unlike Germany and Ireland and the UK and France, out illegals are going home, whether they like it or not, either voluntarily or in handcuffs and chains, their choice.
‘A nation without borders is a nation without a destiny’ – Patrick J. Buchanan – Presidential Candidate and Presidential Aide to President Richard Nixon……….no more true words were ever spoken……

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 17:09 utc | 117

Powered by four 330 hp Honda outboards” – Tobias Cole 116

I noticed that too, that’s about $45-50 k per unit ~ $200,000 hanging off the stern*…poor fisherman?  Yeah no, I don’t who they were but, I know they weren’t “poor” fisherman. Still, I’m not okay with employing lethal force without any attempt at interdiction and the the slaughtering survivors/prisoners when their is no remaining threat to you or your squad is not okay.
 
*How many houses would that buy down there? 15-20? Not poor.

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 1 2025 17:16 utc | 118

Calliman 120 – these are not OCD street criminals, these cartels are quasi multi billion dollar governmental organizations, actually running and controlling nations, with sophisticated armies and command structures.
Stop with the “these guys are kind hearted street criminals” who should be arrested BS.  They are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of US citizens.
Strike them hard and everywhere – remember Enrique Camaranna!

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 17:16 utc | 119

the US has every single right to protect US citizens from mass casualty events that are in fact the fent epidemic
Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 17:09 utc | 121
 
Yes, but only within its own territorial waters, not in international waters or the territory of another state without permission.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 17:22 utc | 120

Criminals are captured, interrogated (to find who they work for), tried, and imprisoned if guilty … they are not summarily executed. That is barbarism. 
Posted by: Caliman | Dec 1 2025 17:08 utc | 120
I ‘ll take the opportunity and repeat a point I mentioned
 
only survivors were returned to their countries
 
no charges, no detention 
 
will guess not enough to press any charges
 
but apparently enough for a hellfire
 
sounds bizarre
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 1 2025 17:23 utc | 121

TC – the way you take down a criminal network is by capturing, interrogating, and moving up the chain all the way to the top. You don’t illegally kill the lowest level desperate people doing the mule work … that’s completely lawless and ineffective. 
The problem of course is that the people at the top are likely affiliated with intel agencies and also that various large banks would collapse if drugs were to be made unprofitable; so drama and murder of the fishermen it is …

Posted by: Caliman | Dec 1 2025 17:28 utc | 122

Why would a drug-running speedboat have 11 people on board? They’ll be taking up valuable payload space.
 
4×330hp outboard engines? Going to need a lot of refuelling to cross ~1800km of open ocean.
 
The narrative is out of kilter somewhere.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 1 2025 17:34 utc | 123

Were they still “assaulting the objective”?  Ground rules on the sea, I know!  If so (landlubber analogy), then it is appropriate and legal and acceptable.  If not they should have been taken POW.  IMHO
 

Posted by: 5jumpchump | Dec 1 2025 17:34 utc | 124

They are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of US citizens.Strike them hard and everywhere – remember Enrique Camaranna!
Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 17:16 utc | 123

These cartels are not forcing the users to take these drugs at gunpoint, they are merely supplying a large and ready market.
US needs to go beyond the knuckle dragging and consider what is wrong in their own society that causes their citizens to sink to this kind of predicament.
‘Striking them hard and everywhere’ (huah) will not fix the problem – most likely it will make it worse. It may cause prices to rise (and thus the petty crime required to fund their habits) and it will increase deaths as the remaining supply is padded out with anything and everything to make it go further.
And that’s before we get into the question of corrupt elements within USG, its own organised criminals and the US banking system that actually profit from the trade and want it to continue, if not increase.
Murdering hapless mules on the high seas may look good on TV but is really displacement activity at best which keeps the low IQ voters and their chosen representatives priapic, but little else.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 1 2025 17:41 utc | 125

“4×330hp outboard engines? “
 
 
Yeah, that’s an awful lot of horsepower to catch some fish. Must cut into the profit margins from selling dinner to the locals something fierce, eh?
 
 
But all four engines are not normally used at the same time. Even with real fishermen who use twin 50hp or so engines on their boats, only one is typically used at a time. The criminals use four outrageous hp engines in order to outrun pursuit, and in case one of the engines is hit by law enforcement fire (coast guards generally target the engines if they can). Having four huge engines gives the criminals the chance to still outrun law enforcement even with one engine disabled. 
 
 
Anyway, the smugglers only use one engine when they are not being pursued, so they have the range of a boat with just one engine.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 17:43 utc | 126

Were they still “assaulting the objective”?  
Posted by: 5jumpchump | Dec 1 2025 17:34 utc | 128
 
Regardless, it was still an arbitrary attack, not legally justified.The boat should have been seized and the crew detained. Then they could have searched it and secured evidence.It was a boat with an outboard motor, so it was easy to disable, without missiles. But warships are unsuitable for this. So it wasn’t about the target, but about demonstrating supposed strength.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 17:47 utc | 127

Why would a drug-running speedboat have 11 people on board? They’ll be taking up valuable payload space.
 
4×330hp outboard engines? Going to need a lot of refuelling to cross ~1800km of open ocean.
 
 The narrative is out of kilter somewhere.
 
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 1 2025 17:34 utc | 127
 
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I suspect that if any smuggling was going on, it was people being smuggled: Latin Americans trying to escape the hellholes we’ve made out of their countries.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2025 17:48 utc | 128

boring
it’s war, you know? 
Anything what could lead to victory is wellcome. Rules? Laws? Matter of laughing. Killing innocent civilians? What is the problem? Its easy. They don’t shoot back. 30-year war, Coventry, Dresden, Vietnam.. lots more. 
 

Posted by: ableman | Dec 1 2025 17:50 utc | 129

And here at the bar we have a psychopath who found a way to justify assassinating civilians, a way from which he has zero evidence. And of course there are other psychopaths who will follow illegal orders blindly.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 1 2025 17:51 utc | 130

There is nothing more painful to the mentally ill than being confronted with the existence of the mentally healthy.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 16:53 utc | 113
 
Indeed, perfect description of yourself.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 1 2025 17:55 utc | 131

Just appalling…How many men were executed at Nuremberg for lesser crimes, and “just following orders”?

Posted by: pyrrhus | Dec 1 2025 17:57 utc | 132

The narrative is out of kilter somewhere.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 1 2025 17:34 utc | 127
 
Yes, the narrative, the one rehearsed and repeated here.  There is another “narrative” suggested by “Clusterfuck Nation”, James Howard Kunstler.  I read these words and suddenly recall all of the CIA’s black ops other heads of state.  Noreiga stands top of my memory bank as my own father flew light aircraft to all the involved countries, Panama, Columbia, Mexico, Guatamala etc etc in the 1960’s.  A small part of insider knowledge.  Not unlike Gary Webb.  Then of course Gaddafi, Sadam Hussin, Hernandez, Escobar.  All of them, including the Taliban were CIA affiliated drug trafficers to assist the CIA in colour, and non-coloured revolutions for control.  Some had the be silenced, some became uncooperative.  Madero is a special case for Trump as he was the democrats tool to manipulate elections.  I believe Trump has a specific grudge.  Were the boats not full of CIA opperatives?  maybe that might trigger thoughts to change the “narrative”.
 

A Modest Proposal
“This isn’t just about Maduro. This is the final nail in the coffin for the CIA-black-budget narco pipeline that’s been running since the 80s.” —The Ghost of Ezra on “X”
 

You must wonder: what exactly has CIA Director John Ratcliffe been doing over in Langley, VA, lo these many months since things changed bigly in Swamptopia? Does he wander the hallways of that giant black box howling ineffectually. . . sit barricaded in his office playing sudoku. . . or is he doing what needs to be done: methodically uncovering and disassembling the diabolical racketeering operation that the agency has become?
 
One thing for sure: you have heard next to squat coming out of his mouth all year. Mr. Ratcliffe is playing a close hand in a dangerous game and I tend to think that he is for-real. Very few Americans know what really goes on backstage at the CIA, but just say they try to whack the director — that would be checkmate on them. The agency would not survive the arrests of its personnel. And, anyway, Mr. Trump is moving swiftly now to shut down the engine of its nefarious activities.
 
The CIA, you understand, is the beating heart of the Deep State (a.k.a. the blob). The Democratic Party and the Never-Trump RINOs are its errand boys. And that is why a ten-year-long coup has been running to smash Trump and Trumpism. “Joe Biden” was a piece of furniture thrown out of the truck that the CIA was driving to escape the scene of the crime. “Joe Biden” was under threat of blackmail the whole four years he haunted the Oval Office, having run his own petty racketeering operation to keep his miserable, extended, sick family in beach houses.
 

Mr. Trump is now striking at the apparatus of the CIA’s extra-constitutional power and influence: the election interference machinery that queers politics at home and abroad, and the drug cartel that furnishes the money to run CIA’s many black ops, finances the NGOs behind lawfare and gay-communist street action, and probably underlies many a congressional fortune. That is why the Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier group is lurking offshore of Venezuela. That is why Venezuela’s airspace is shut-down, and why Nicolás Maduro is rumored to be fleeing to points unknown in his Gulfstream jet.

 
While you were carving your turkey, Mr. Trump was preparing to go medieval on Maduro’s $1.5-trillion Cartel del Sol operation, of which the Mexican cartels are mere subalterns, shoveling drugs into the demoralized US population ruined by the campaign that moved productive industry to China, and gainful employment with it. Mr. Trump hinted that US forces are going into Caracas “very soon” — apparently to seize the Smartmatic servers, cartel drug ledgers, and other evidence of long-running turpitude, and you have to wonder how many someones out of Langley, with names, titles, and offices will turn up in the mix.
 
Mr. Ratcliffe must know who they are by now. Some of them have been at it since the cowboy days of Mena, Arkansas, back when Bill Clinton was governor and the cocaine planes from Colombia were landing day after day on that little backwater airstrip. The cartels had to switch to boats lately, and we see how that’s been working out. Is it not amazing that Democratic Party mouthpieces object to Mr. Trump blowing them up? They’d rather see another ten thousand unemployed citizens die of fentanyl poisoning in Meigs County, Ohio.
 
The blob’s errand boys (and girls) in Congress made their lame diversionary move on November 18 with the “Seditious Six” video, an attempt to stir-up mutiny in the military ranks. It backfired badly. It looks like the Dept of War is going to make an example of Senator Mark (“the astronaut”) Kelly, because he was the only veteran among the six who served long enough to qualify for mandatory re-enlistment — and, thus, be subject to military justice, outside the control of blob-run DC federal district judges like “Jeb” Boasberg.
 
The “Seditious Six” organizer, Senator Elissa Slotkin (D-MI), an ex-CIA official, followed up on the mutiny video November 23 during an interview with ABC’s This Week show, saying she expected that national guard troops might soon shoot US citizens in “stressful situations.” Didn’t work out that way. Rather, three days later, a former CIA-run Afghani “refugee” drove all the way cross-country from Bellingham, WA, to shoot two national guard troops in their heads on a DC street the day before Thanksgiving. The CIA is supposed to track their assets. Who was tracking Rahmanullah Lakanwa? Maybe Elissa Slotkin can ask her old colleagues back in Langley and report back to the public.
 
Beneath all this surface huggermugger the ongoing coup against Trump and Trumpism still wriggles and rumbles. It looks like it’s going to blow now and spew debris all over the swamp. If John Ratcliffe has the names of CIA officers who have practiced “color revolution” against our country, he must have passed them on to DNI Tulsi Gabbard and, in turn, the president.
 
Mr. Trump might consider treating them the same way that President Andrew Johnson treated the cabal behind the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. The eight defendants (minus John Wilkes Booth who was hunted down and shot in a Virginia barn) were tried by a nine-member military commission at the old DC arsenal. Four were hanged, three sentenced to life in prison, one to six years.
 
The CIA’s color revolution against the nation it’s supposed to serve is a much larger, farther-flung, sinister conspiracy than the plot to murder of Abe Lincoln. There could be dozens, scores of CIA officials in Langley who know what has been going on there. Maybe JFK was right back in 1963 when he said he wished to splinter the CIA in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Dec 1 2025 18:02 utc | 133

malenkov @132:

  I suspect that if any smuggling was going on, it was people being smuggled: Latin Americans trying to escape the hellholes we’ve made out of their countries.

 
Agreed, but obviously not some poor starving waifs, but rather some people with huge piles of cash to burn. Fare on a smuggler’s go-fast boat isn’t going to be cheap. Likewise not doctors and engineers as they can easily get H1bs and enter the country the normal way.
 
 
Hmm… well-heeled individuals who would be refused legal entry into the US… I wonder what kind of people those could be?

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 18:05 utc | 134

Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 1 2025 17:41 utc | 129
 
A+ comment, my friend. I have lost a lot of people to drugs, and every single one of them sought those drugs out because there is no healthcare and they are in pain from relentless work, there is no healthcare and they are in pain from mental illness, or there are only minimum wage jobs with no future (myself included in this category, although I have not done speed in over a decade, and can’t see myself using again).
The callous disregard for basic humanity that is ubiquitous in American society is the main culprit for the huge amount of willing users here. I still have friends who I think will never come back, including one who has been addicted to crack cocaine for over 25 years. Amazing brilliant people who were cornered into dead end lives and found some respite in some white powder. People who are felons now because they sold to fund their habits, and cannot get a job due to their criminal record, so they go back to selling and using. We are doing people wrong with our drug policy in this country, and killing the suppliers without helping any of the addicts will only make it worse. 

Posted by: Caveman | Dec 1 2025 18:06 utc | 135

Nothing new by P.H !
See “Nick Turse, Kill Anything that moves – The real american war in Vietnam” (Picador, New York 2014) 
 

Posted by: henry74 | Dec 1 2025 18:07 utc | 136

UN Accuses Ukraine of Using Banned Anti-Personnel Mines
Ukraine continues to use banned anti-personnel mines and is increasing its stockpiles. This is according to a report by the UN Institute for Disarmament Research (UNIDIR) on the use of anti-personnel mines in 2025. Yeshua Moser Puangsuwan, co-author of the report, stated during its presentation in Geneva:
“A number of countries have taken steps that specifically endanger the norms of the Convention. Ukraine has declared that it is suspending the validity of the Convention on the Prohibition of Anti-Personnel Mines. It has used anti-personnel mines and increased its stockpiles through deliveries from the US and likely through its own production.”
Moser Puangsuwan was referring to the so-called Ottawa Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction. Ukraine ratified the convention in 2005. In July 2025, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed a decree withdrawing from the agreement.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 18:08 utc | 137

Kudos to you  Naive @ 134 &  135
Willuam gruff is the resident pschopath and fake name user ,  given full permission to shit all over this blog by b. 
Suported by the likes of canock and james. Shame on them.
 
Gruff equels ……..’ rage bait’  dont bite, thats how he gets his sick kicks.
 
b  ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 1 2025 18:10 utc | 138

he who saves his country violates no law. Stop defending drug dealers and violent cartel animals, hitting them with a missile is a much more merciful death than they give anyone else. 

Posted by: Waru | Dec 1 2025 18:14 utc | 139

Troll @142:
 
Remember to change your name before hitting “Post” when you sockpuppet responses to yourself. It was kinda cringe when you forgot to do that last time.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 18:15 utc | 140

@ William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 18:05 utc | 138
 
Great question! We could start by asking the survivors of one of the attacks — survivors who were returned to their countries without charges.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2025 18:15 utc | 141

Military Situation In Ukraine On November 30, 2025 (Maps Update)
 

  • Russian strikes destroyed targets in the Kyiv, Sumy, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kharkiv, Chernihiv, Odesa regions;
  • The Russian army struck the energy facilities in Vyshhorod, Kyiv region;
  • Russian Iskander missile destroyed a UAV launch point near Tuzla, Odessa Airport;
  • The Russian army struck the AFU positions in the Kramatorsk area;
  • The Russian army struck the AFU positions in Rodynske with FAB-1500 bomb;
  • The Russian offensive continues in the Seversk, Pokrovsk, Kupyansk, Dnipropetrovsk, and Zaporizhzhia directions;
  • Russian forces advanced in the Velikiy Burluk direction;
  • Russian forces advanced in the Kupyansk direction;
  • Russian forces advanced in the Dobropolye direction;
  • Russian forces advanced in the Guliaipole direction;
  • Ukrainian losses amounted to approximately 1,325 troops over the past 24 hours. 
  • https://southfront.press/military-situation-in-ukraine-on-november-30-2025-maps-update/

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 18:16 utc | 142

malenkov @145:
 

Great question! We could start by asking the survivors of one of the attacks — survivors who were returned to their countries without charges.

 
I know! I wonder why the presstitution industry hasn’t thought of interviewing those guys yet?

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 18:18 utc | 143

Which of us is more human?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 16:21 utc | 99
 
Is a psychopath still a human being? Maybe, but his place is in a psychiatric hospitat to protect the society.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 1 2025 18:19 utc | 144

Hegseth enjoys killing.

Posted by: persiflo | Dec 1 2025 18:20 utc | 145

@144
Ha ha ha… what this one……
 
Mark2
Dont feed the troll.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 1 2025 18:21 utc | 146

I know! I wonder why the presstitution industry hasn’t thought of interviewing those guys yet?
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 18:18 utc | 147
 
________
 
Strange, I ask the same question of the US authorities who captured them. 

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2025 18:22 utc | 147

I know! I wonder why the presstitution industry hasn’t thought of interviewing those guys yet?
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 18:18 utc | 147
 
How to find them? Was their identity revealed?
 
Why the yankees who returned these people to their country did not interview them if they were drug smugglers?
 
Of course you must go on with your delirium.
 

Posted by: Naive | Dec 1 2025 18:23 utc | 148

ChatNPC 129 & Caveman 139
 
got it right, no one is forced to take drugs.

Posted by: M | Dec 1 2025 18:32 utc | 149

Posted by: M | Dec 1 2025 18:32 utc | 153
But we need to understand why they choose to…
To quite an extent The System wants you atomised, afraid, exhausted and smacked out somehow – booze or drugs, legal or illegal. Anything to stop you joining with your fellow citizens to demand a fairer cut of the wealth.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 1 2025 18:52 utc | 150

malenkov @151:
 
Think of it, dude! There has got to be a made-for-TV mini series in that story!  That’s not the military’s purview.
 
Think of it, a team of diligent fishermen set out to bring home dinner for their village. They took their gas-guzzler go-fast boat because they prided themselves with delivering the freshest fish in town. So selfless were they in this desire to market freshly caught sea life that they happily burn through a thousand dollars in fuel to deliver a couple hundred dollars of fish. Locals would scan the sea from their rooftops looking for the telltale quad rooster tails as these conscientious fisher-folk raced  back to port with their catch, hoping to meet them at the dock to be first in line to get some of that freshness. Sadly, this time our industrious seafarers were not to return for dinnertime as their trusty go-fast sea chariot was shot out from underneath them by the Evil Empire – for reasons, apparently.
 
Definitely Emmy material there!

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 18:55 utc | 151

@23
” Time to sit back and enjoy watching the oligarchs sticking knives into each other’s backs.”
 
Remember the African proverb;
When the elephants fight, the grass gets trampled.
 

Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 1 2025 18:55 utc | 152

Ritchie 137 – totally agree and JFK was correct……split the CIA into a thousand pieces and skatter them into the winds……
 
You have to wonder is the Afghan CIA DC shooter of the NG MP’s was Slotkin asset?

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 18:56 utc | 153

British army committed war crimes in Afghanistan – combat veteran
 
op brass “clearly knew” detainees were being systematically murdered and did nothing, a former special forces officer has allegedBritish army committed war crimes in Afghanistan – combat veteran
UK special forces in Afghanistan executed suspects without facing repercussions despite widespread knowledge of their behavior in the army chain of command, a former senior British officer has told a public inquiry.
The testimony transcript was one of four interviews released on Monday as part of a years-long investigation into the conduct of the UK special forces (UKSF), including the SAS, in Helmand province from 2010 to 2013.
The officer, who was formerly assistant chief of staff for operations in the UKSF HQ and was identified only as N1466, described serious allegations reported within the force. These included claims that officers had confessed to one unit’s policy “of killing fighting aged males on target regardless of threat,” he said.
The whisleblower added that raid reports often listed more Afghans killed than weapons recovered, and said that claims of detainees grabbing guns or grenades after capture did not seem credible.
“We are talking about war crimes… we are talking about taking detainees back on target and executing them… the pretense being that they conducted violence against the forces.”
According to N1466, more than one special forces director had known about the issue, and tried to “suppress” it. “Other directors… clearly knew there was a problem,” the officer claimed.
The issue was brushed aside as inter-unit rivalry, which “just didn’t chime with the evidence,” he added.
“We didn’t join UKSF for this sort of behavior, you know, [for] toddlers to get shot in their beds or random killing. It’s not special, it’s not elite, it’s not what we stand for,” he said.
British general accused of killings cover-up takes helm of Royal Navy READ MORE: British general accused of killings cover-up takes helm of Royal Navy
According to another officer questioned, Western-trained Afghan forces refused to deploy alongside the British unit in question on multiple occasions, which he described as “indicative of a problem, a real problem.”
A third officer said the emerging evidence was likely “just the tip of the iceberg,” arguing that the “very kinetic” and violent NATO and UK operations did nothing to win Afghan “hearts and minds.”
The UK deployed forces alongside the US-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, and withdrew along with other NATO troops in 2021.
https://www.rt.com/news/628733-british-army-war-crimes-afghanistan/
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 18:56 utc | 154

“Hegseth enjoys killing”
Seems to enjoy having someone else do it. Someone down the line who can be thrown under the bus later if the need arises.

Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 1 2025 18:58 utc | 155

@ William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 18:55 utc | 155
 
Cute — in a tiresome way — but I see you avoid answering my question, or for that matter Naive’s.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2025 19:07 utc | 156

Where was the outrage from the globalists when Hussein Obama ordered and approved US airstrikes in Yemen that targeted and killed two American citizens?
Was Hussein Obama held to account for that ? No of course not.
The drug boat strikes target foreign nationals destabilizing US society and causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans of all ages.  All the while making hundreds of billions in profits, profits used to control whole regions of countries in Central and South America.
I have no sympathy for drug cartel sociopaths……….good riddance to bad garbage.

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 19:12 utc | 157

malenkov @160:
 
I did answer: That’s not the military’s purview, though obviously the military did interview the survivors as they somehow knew their home countries to deliver them to. 
 
Now your turn: Why are you in lockstep with the Mockingbird mass media’s narrative on this issue? You get the same marching orders they did?

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 19:13 utc | 158

Jeremy R-L @ 127
 
Of course the narrative is, in your words,  out of kilter. These stunts are arranged to stir your brain, not to satisfy your intellect. It does not add up. Watch all the squirrels chase their tails. Watch the keyboard warriors running down rabbit holes.
 
If there were a straightforward story here they would not tell it. That each and every element is hopelessly out of kilter tells me that it likely never happened. At all. Just a story.
 
I keep coming back to the alleged survivors being sent back to home countries. We were so outraged by these fentanyl terrorists we were ready to kill. And tried to kill. And did kill their shipmates. The survivors we just send home?

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 1 2025 19:14 utc | 159

@ William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 19:13 utc | 162
 
You mean the same military that could kill them without knowing who they were, or what their business was (besides somehow preternaturally “knowing” they were drug runners) couldn’t hand them over to, say, the DEA? Why the sudden concern for niceties?
 
Your fantasies grow increasingly desperate.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2025 19:19 utc | 160

Hegseth is a former combat infantryman……..decorated for service in Afghan.  I am sure he has seen lots of serious situations during his overseas duty.
Lets get real here, under Joey Boy Biden, the senile and corrupt POTUS, the drug cartels basically controlled the southern border.  They allowed waves of aliens to overwhelm the Border Patrol during times and places of their own choosing.  This was accomplished in order to smuggle drugs and people into the US at locations vacated by the BP.
Very clever, and very effective,  and of course aided and abetted by the Joe’s favorite globalist the traitor Alexandro Majorkas.  20M illegal aliens literally swamped the border under a deliberate seditious policy approved by the Joey Boy administration.
The cartels made billions of dollars while controlling the border……billions.
Stop defending drug cartel homicidal maniacs.

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 19:22 utc | 161

Now your turn: Why are you in lockstep with the Mockingbird mass media’s narrative on this issue? You get the same marching orders they did?
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 19:13 utc | 162
 
And here we see a coward at work. Taking a cheap shot at Malenkov, but of course refraining to the same with B!

Posted by: Naive | Dec 1 2025 19:24 utc | 162

I always wonder “who could be so stupid as to believe the US military/intelligence line on Venezuela” and I guess this site answers that question…Trump Dick Suckers will swallow anything, literally and metaphorically.

Posted by: nunya bizness | Dec 1 2025 19:25 utc | 163

The only difference with these strikes and the thousands of drone strikes on the other side of the world is that these strikes directly protect Americans and are part of a secure border. One cannot have a nation if they can’t have a secure border that can be protected through violence.  This isn’t a game; thousands of people die every year through the actions of these cartels/outlaws and they deserve to be destroyed. 

Posted by: jason | Dec 1 2025 19:26 utc | 164

Since when do two people “with direct knowledge of the operation” break the military chain of command to trot off to two WaPo reporters? All this drama is based on unsubstantiated information provided by  anonymous sources, just like the “explosive FBI Dossier” which also dropped today. Given the lack of credibility of Western Media, I’m at a loss to explain why people continue to get caught up in their “gotcha” games.
 

Posted by: Q | Dec 1 2025 19:30 utc | 165

smartfox 158 – where have the Brits not committed war crimes is really the question of the day.
Ireland, India, South Africa, Kenya, Crimea, Egypt, Sudan, North America (still remember the story of General Lord Jeffrey Amherst distributing small pox laden blankets to Native Americans during the French and India War).  Starvations, disease, summary executions, drum head courts, yes they are the masters.
Even today we have seen RN HQ Odessa attacking neutral oil tankers in the Black Sea.
Yup the Brits are the evil empire, no doubt.

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 19:30 utc | 166

Trump Dick Suckers will swallow anything, literally and metaphorically.
Posted by: nunya bizness | Dec 1 2025 19:25 utc | 167
 
Excellent! TDS gruff!!!  LOL!
 
Like a boomerang!

Posted by: Naive | Dec 1 2025 19:31 utc | 167

De facto, soldiers only have the duty to disobey an illegal order if they are on the losing side.

Posted by: TG | Dec 1 2025 19:31 utc | 168

malenkov @164: 
 
As expected, you dodged my question. Typical.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 19:31 utc | 169

Good post b. Hope it clarifies some obvious confusion. This one too:
 
The Great Hoax Against Venezuela: Oil Geopolitics Disguised As ‘War on Drugs’
 
https://venezuelanalysis.com/opinion/the-great-hoax-against-venezuela-oil-geopolitics-disguised-as-war-on-drugs/
 
Former UN anti-drug agency director Pino Arlacchi dismantles the Venezuela ‘narco-state’ narrative with 30 years of reliable data…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 1 2025 19:33 utc | 170

Murder.
Nothing more needs to be said….

Posted by: flyingcow | Dec 1 2025 19:38 utc | 171

I keep coming back to the alleged survivors being sent back to home countries. We were so outraged by these fentanyl terrorists we were ready to kill. And tried to kill. And did kill their shipmates. The survivors we just send home?
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 1 2025 19:14 utc | 163
agreed! Think I was the first to mention and raise again the issue
 
no attempt to apprehend , 
 
those apprehended , not held in custody , returned to sender 
 
dissonance dialed up to 11 
 
maybe American Jesus ™ makes sure only bad guys get killed and all innocents survive… 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 1 2025 19:45 utc | 172

I am disappointed in our host. There is no honor in making yourself a political advisor to Trump on the best PR to restore his moral position. And expecting Trump to listen to him> Trump appointed Hegseth to purge the officer corps. Trump’s purpose for Hegseth is to turn the officer corps into the warriors who will understand war crimes are part of following orders and double tap without an explicit order in writing is naive at best. Soldiers obey the law, warriors make them. That’s the fascist ethos and what Hegseth is all about. Trump loved that Gallegher guy, for good reason. Trying to attack Hegseth instead is diversion from the true target. Also, by the way, the Law of Warfare manual is an excellent example of the Deep State, an unelected bureaucracy throwing undermining the Divine Right of the President (Vox populi, vox dei! a companion dogma to Deus lo vult!) After all those posts surreptitiously endorsing all that nonsense, backtracking is lame. 
 
One thing is true, the mass media are not, not, not singing one tune about how this is a uniquely evil war crime. Some parts are saying it’s a matter of controversy, which no doubt drives mad the Trump cultists, mocking their God as the wicked mocked Christ Himself. The fact that Obama isn’t president any more is entirely irrelevant (at least until we get to take a lease on Nuremberg’s court house,) save as the good offense that is the best defense of Trump, manifestation of God’s Will on Earth.  Another key difference, however invisible it is to the high-brow secret Trumpists who can’t be bothered to see such petty details, is that training an officer corps to follow no matter what is turning the army into the master of the people. The army’s master then truly is the master of the people, untrammeled by dirty politics, the Deep State, the PMC and the ultimate evil, transgender wokism. Those are the real issues and differences I think. Trump justifies his murders on different grounds than Obama. That means he is no more to be excused than Obama, not that he is to be excused too. But as I say, many a Trumper knows that the best defense is a good offense. I still say that in truth it just means Trump is as guilty as Obama. Raving about Obama now is just diversion. 
 
Some fictional character dubbed STJ  is preemptively convicted of a crime against Trump cultists. The charge is somewhat confused (as one should expect from a Trotskyite wrecker, they are not the brains trust of socialism, no matter what they think.) But the apparent proof of crime, that said ninnyhammer and lobnoddy thinks there are more dangerous factions in the imperialist circle than Trump strikes me as…a defense of Trump. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 1 2025 19:46 utc | 173

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 16:55 utc | 116
 
RE:   Lets not confuse this action with the clear violations of international law in Gaza, or the Philippines or in Japan or in Germany or in Russia during WWII.
 
<<
 
During Collective Biden, the strategy of smothering Bibi w/ unwavering support—dubbed the hug Bibi strategy—-made the White House think it would eventually have leverage to influence Israel’s actions in Gaza.
 
Oooops.  So wrong.
 
Over the final 15 months of Autopen Robinette’s presidency, the hug Bibi strategy led the White House

  • to send a flood of weapons for the IDF’s unrelenting bombardment of Gaza,
  • to veto UN National Security Council resolutions calling for a ceasefire,
  • to attack the International Criminal Court for drawing up war crimes resolutions against Bibi,
  • to ignore its own policies about supporting military units credibly accused of war crimes
  • and to condemn Hamas for failing to accept ceasefire terms which Israel was also refusing to accept.

 
In now-it-can-be-told mode the nytimes wrote on 1 December: “This approach made Democrats hypocrites when defending a “rules-based order,” racial equality and democracy. I t alienated elements of their base and placed them out of step with young voters.  And in an age of authoritarianism, fealty to an Israeli strongman who routinely humiliated them made Democrats appear weak:  Mr. Netanyahu was hugged all the way into the arms of Donald Trump.”
 
This quote is from an article by Ben Rhodes called “How the Democrats Blew It on Gaza.”
 
It exhibits the way status quo media outlets like the nytimes leap to criticize & condemn the policies/actions of the prior administration, even though they said nothing condemnatory or critical while the egregious hypocrisy was taking place and in fact supported it massively, publicly even, through laudatory op-eds, selective reporting and biased Editorial Board bromides.
 
My point is that a system which has afforded itself incredible license to trample the far-flung edges of international mores or laws, with impunity, and has relied on an obedient legacy media to do nothing but boost, boost, boost such trampling is not suddenly going to get a conscience and decide that trampling is wrong except for one purpose only, and it’s a politically expedient purpose:  to undermine DJT’s admin.
 
Oh, they won’t undermine too hard, however, because they will want to retain such license to trample, trample, trample once more when they’re the party in power.  Ditto w/ Congress.  They don’t care about civilians in speedboats anymore than during Collective Biden they cared about women & children dying under bombardment.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Dec 1 2025 19:51 utc | 174

The survivors who were returned to their home countries (Colombia and Ecuador, not Venezuela) were returned to those countries’ authorities and are being held there for prosecution.
 
Just as little detail that some seem to overlook for some reason.
 
Of course, that doesn’t mean presstitutes cannot try to interview them for the Big Scoop.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 19:51 utc | 175

The Great Hoax Against Venezuela: Oil Geopolitics Disguised As ‘War on Drugs’ https://venezuelanalysis.com/opinion/the-great-hoax-against-venezuela-oil-geopolitics-disguised-as-war-on-drugs/ “Former UN anti-drug agency director Pino Arlacchi dismantles the Venezuela ‘narco-state’ narrative with 30 years of reliable data…”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 1 2025 19:33 utc | 174
 
anyone here should read it
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 19:52 utc | 176

To me, the article seems as if a concentration camp commander is being criticised for exceeding his authority and his subordinate soldiers are being called upon to show moral courage.
 
However, people like Trump, Hegeth, etc. have overlooked the impact drones have on civilian life. In military terms, you don’t expose yourself unnecessarily. In civilian life, it also means not leaving safe shelters. So no public places, aeroplanes, cars…
An individual can now attack people without rockets, mortars, car bombs, snipers… without further assistance, once the decision has been made. Fishing  drones offer automatic bait drop, and converting to fibre optics would be a nightmare. Local preparation and operation via the internet would also be possible. The safety of using violence is no longer the monopoly of those in power.
Perhaps drones, rather than the International, will fight for human rights.
 
 
 

Posted by: BlindSpot | Dec 1 2025 20:08 utc | 177

Gruff @ 179
 
What are Colombia and Ecuador going to prosecute them for? Offenses against the US? With evidence provided by CIA? Or maybe Department of Navy? Or DEA? All files open?
 
No part of this story makes any sense.
 
Faced by a story that makes no sense >>>>do not believe what you are told. If the source is CIA or Washington Post (same thing) you are being lied to.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 1 2025 20:15 utc | 178

@182 Joe,
 
Trump, and Hegseth are not running a war,they have no legal writ from congress.
 
The emperor is running cover for his faults.
 
Military members are acting out of fear of losing pensions and cushy jobs after retirement 

Posted by: paddy | Dec 1 2025 20:18 utc | 179

We should all know by now that the US Terrorist state – like Israel thinks its above ANY laws – the US Terrorist State even has a clause that allows it to – (illegally) to invade the Hague  – if allies or US service folk are arrested and about to stand trial – this illegal murdering isn’t a symptom of just Trump – its been happening in America for decades now.
 
Here is the Colateral Murder video.
 
Collateral Murder

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 1 2025 20:21 utc | 180

oldhippie @183:
 
I’m merely stating facts. The survivors were handed over to their home countries’ authorities and remain in detention. 
 
 
If the facts are not making sense to you then it is the narrative your are using to understand the facts that needs adjustment. Denying facts to protect a narrative is unhelpful, particularly when you are sharing that narrative with the CIA’s mouthpieces.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 20:32 utc | 182

Hussein Obama purged the general officer corps in the years 2008 to 2012 cashiering scores and scores of conservative and moderate generals and admirals and reshaping the corps of generals and admirals in his own vision of a globalist socialist directive.  Lt. General Michael Flynn was one such general cashiered, and there are many more examples.
Joey Boy Biden, the most senile and corrupt and incompetent POTUS in US history (elected by millions of fraudulent mail ballots in Nevada, Arizona, Pa. and Michigan), continued the process (Trump did not reverse the trend in the first term because his ‘RINO’ cabinet secretaries and generals such as General Mark ‘Red’ Milley and SDOD Esper were allied with the Obama concept and their operatives).
Hussein Obama personally ordered drone strikes which killed an American citizen and his American son in Yemen.  There were no consequences for ordering this extrajudicial killing of these American citizens.  By contrast, and listen up now, DJT has ordered zero extrajudicial killings of American citizens.
The drug boat strikes were legitimate acts of war against a foreign adversary – the drug cartels and their soldiers and sailors.  Totally legit in every single way.

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 20:35 utc | 183

So this is what passes for US Terrorist State diplomacy – remember Maduro is a democratically elected president, and even if he was a tinpot dictator which he isn’t, the US Terrorist State has no right to threaten the president or steal Venezuelan assets.
 
“The White House told Caracas in a phone call: “You [Maduro] can save yourself and those closest to you, but you must leave the country [Venezuela] now.” “Safe passage would be guaranteed for Maduro, his wife Cilia Flores, and his son only if he agreed to resign right away.””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 1 2025 20:37 utc | 184

Again who the f*ck are the Yanks to issue this – the US is indeed ran by gangsters and terrorists.
 
“The U.S. has issued a NOTAM restricting all general non-commercial aviation over sections of Venezuela’s southern border due to ‘military operations’ until March 1st, 2026”
 

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 1 2025 20:39 utc | 185

So the boat would normally only use one of its four engines for cruising, what would be the cruising speed? 20-25 knots?
 
Still got ~1800km to cover, getting close to 4 days of constant cruising, food and fresh water for eleven people, refuelling supplies; pretty soon we’re getting to the point when there is no actual room for a profitable drugs payload. 

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 1 2025 20:39 utc | 186

The drug boat strikes were legitimate acts of war against a foreign adversary – the drug cartels and their soldiers and sailors. Totally legit in every single way.
Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 20:35 utc | 188
 
Even repeating lies over and over again does not make them true.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 20:40 utc | 187

What Hussein Obama accomplished in cashiering the general officer corps is similar to what one of his hero’s accomplished in 1937-38.
Josef Stalin, decimated the general officer corps of the Soviet Army, luckily Generals Zhukov and Rosskossky survived the purge.

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 20:41 utc | 188

William Gruff @ 138:
 
I’ll bite on this one.
 
The sort of people who’d hand over wads of cash to people smugglers in order to escape the hellish conditions created in their countries by foreign NATO and allied forces would be (by our socioeconomic standards) lower middle class or working class folks who scrimped and saved all their lives to build up next eggs, but who now see their situation as desperate enough (due to past sanctions and now the threat of regime change)  that they believe they have no other choice but to escape in whatever they can, knowing the huge risks they’re taking.
 
Many Vietnamese, Cambodian and other Southeast Asian refugees from the Vietnam War and its spread to other parts of Indochina made their way to Australia over the past 50 years on boats run by people-smuggling gangs who hired fishermen in Indonesia to transport these migrants. The migrants would hand over all their savings to the organisers, who no doubt made much profit from their racket. Once in Australia, these migrants would have to start over from scratch if they didn’t end up in detention centres and eventually deported back.
 
In parts of the Middle East and Afghanistan, it’s not unusual apparently for whole village communities to pay people smugglers money scraped together from communal efforts to take their children (often teenage boys) away in the belief the smugglers would take their children to safety. Little did the peasants know their children often ended up in ISIS-training jihadi camps funded by Western intel agencies or their charity fronts.
 
The majority of most illegal migrants in Australia though are usually people who “overstay” their student and tourist visas, or are people trafficked here by employers who lure them with promises of good well-paying jobs in modelling, domestic work or construction.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 1 2025 20:42 utc | 189

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 18:55 utc | 155
 
So selfless were they in this desire to market freshly caught sea life that they happily burn through a thousand dollars in fuel to deliver a couple hundred dollars of fish
 
Bear in mind that in Venezuela gasoline costs around 13 cents a gallon.
 
Arriba!

Posted by: john | Dec 1 2025 20:45 utc | 190

These drug cartel naval vessels (lets call them what they are and stop with the nonsense of the fishermen fable) often stop at various islands to gas up and take on supplies – they are not on a direct line to US ports, they often off load to other vessels in the Bahama or the Turks or Haiti (which is a friendly anarchic state).  These are open and semi submersible vessels.
Drone attacks are far more effective than USCG interdiction, drones can cover greater areas of surveillance.
The war against the drug cartels is on, am betting 2 to 1 that DJT wins.

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 20:51 utc | 191

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 1 2025 20:42 utc | 194
My mom bounced from Cuba i think in 63. They were fully working class. I never met my grandfater. He died there. He was a bus driver. My grandmother, a ticket inspector. Here in California we have a large southeast Asian diaspora community. I have the good fortune to know a few. They came from the working class. I have never asked about the how and why they got here. 
Also, there a couple of people who post here, HB and another person who I think are in Huntington Beach in Orange County, CA. Westminster is just across the freeway. That is the town where my friends from Vietnam grew up. 
There is a documentary called New Wave about a woman who was in the disco music acene the kids liked therein the 80s. I’m on my phone. I’ll post a link in a sec.
She has a restaurant on Beach Boulevard. great and still inexpensive banh mi sandwiches can be had there. 
Great knockoffs in the mall that shares the parking lot. The woman who runs the knockoff shop told me that business has been a bit difficult due to the trade wars.

Posted by: lex talionis | Dec 1 2025 20:58 utc | 192

Tobias Cole @ 188:
 
Is the US actually at war against these drug cartels, most of whom operate within US borders to supply their paying customers? Has a declaration of war actually been made or signed or approved by US Congress? If not, US military actions against non-state actors are not “war” and the criminals transporting illegal drugs are (whether you like it or not) civilians and must be treated as civilians.
 
Using the armed forces against civilians, even if they are engaged in criminal activities that may lead to other people dying ghastly deaths later, not only violates US and international laws, it is a misuse of political power and the trust the public puts in politicians in a democracy to maintain security. (Not to mention that it is a misuse of US taxpayer money as well, especially if the armed forces are being used to replace police departments. ) If the armed forces can be used against crooks, even ordinary crooks hired by more professional criminals, what is to stop the US govt from deciding that ordinary US citizens like yourself are “crooks” and sending soldiers to arrest you, beat you up or imprison you?

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 1 2025 20:59 utc | 193

It is worth thinking about the strange cultural logic of the 2nd half of the 20th century. It’s almost as if war itself was made ‘illegal’. WW2 was so apocalyptic and the narrative of Nazi criminality so overwhelming that the idea of conventional war became in itself morally contaminated. In every respect the epoch was figurally and literally post-war. We therefore are witnessing what happens when we are past the expiry date of this liberal post-war conception, when we return to a more-or-less Clausewitzian view that sees military force as simply one of the tools in the geopolitical box. But what makes this fascinating is we’re situated on the cusp of this epistemic rupture, where practice/content (e.g. using whatever force one can get away with) is contradicting theory/form (the moral and cultural demonization of pre-ww2 capital-W War).
 
At some point these impediments will disappear and the future will find the past mystifying, but intelligent observers will see that hot wars were frozen by the Nuremberg effect, became cold wars, proxy wars, police actions and special operations, waged by pre-modern tribal goons (i.e no, not us, we banished war long ago, war is bad)—or, better still, were hypostatized into cinema where wars could be waged in all their glory, especially righteous conflicts (ww2), or hand-wringing ones (ww1, Vietnam), as well as vast networks of war games where on so many CoD servers war is unceasingly replayed.
 
And so we are witnessing the thaw of that great freeze (1945-2020?), a twilight zone where practice and theory vie for equal legitimacy. In 25 years the 20th century will look odd because of this weird allergic reaction to war, where a sort of immuno-deficiency coupled with the spectre of a nuclear warhead that is always ticking but never explodes created two generations of anaemic anti-war libtards. The structural consequences for a western hemisphere which banished its capacity even to contemplate the waging of wars will be long in the unfolding, even as we watch the staging of those consequences in Ukraine. How strange to have grown up in a world where everyone was against war itself even as we watch those unburdened by such idiocy (Russia) achieve sovereign success.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 1 2025 21:00 utc | 194

@ tobias cole | Dec 1 2025 20:51 utc | 196
 
But neither you or the Billy-goat Gruff have come up with reason why these ultra-efficient and ruthless drug cartels would staff one boat with eleven, 11 people.
 
Seems mighty generous of the bosses to provide all that food, fuel and drinking water for 11 people to go on a 4-day Caribbean cruise…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 1 2025 21:01 utc | 195

NewWave
Lynda Sandwich
Maybe HB Norica ( i think) wants to meet! I can’t make it to Hamburg.
 

Posted by: lex talionis | Dec 1 2025 21:06 utc | 196

Just some are more evil than others, apparently. Was the dembot this adamant about equity in evil when President Autopen was in office? Not at all. Even then the bot’s focus was on Trump, even though Trump wasn’t in office.
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 16:53 utc | 113
 
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For the umpteenth time, I am not an American.
 
Billions of people don’t care about the retardation that is American politics, which seems to be your area of obsession.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 21:06 utc | 197

Refinnejenna @194:
 
Ah, the boat people. I remember when that was in full swing, but I don’t remember so many making the journey on go-fast boats. More often they were packed onto barely seaworthy hulks. 
 
What also complicates the narrative that these are just desperate refugees is that there is a land route from South America to the US. Even if the refugees splurge on some coastal passages to shorten the trip, there are substantially cheaper options than high power smuggler boats. A whole family could make the trip to the US if they are being thrifty on the fare for a single individual on a go-fast boat. 
 
 
If the high end smuggler boats were the only way, then you would have a point. A desperate person pays what they must. But there are lots of options for getting from Colombia or Venezuela to the US, and a go-fast smuggler boat is almost the most expensive possible choice.
 
 
Also, I have been to Venezuela and Colombia, though admittedly not in the last couple years. I deliberately sought out “the bad side of town”, so to speak, to see the truth for myself as I backpacked around the region. Nobody there goes hungry. If anyone is desperate to get out it is for personal reasons (“I need to get to New York! If I can make it there, I can make it anywhere! Broadway, here I come!”) The “desperate refugee” meme doesn’t get much traction with me.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 21:14 utc | 198

“I am not an American.”
 
Yeah, the bot is a Muslim who loves post Soviet rust belt brownfields. 
 
Sure.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 21:21 utc | 199

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 21:14 utc | 203
Regardless of what they were, the method used was not in accordance with the law, and justifications based on unproven claims are of no help.Those who claim to be hunting lawbreakers must not behave like gangsters, otherwise they are just as bad, regardless of their excuses.
 
And in this case especially, when he tries to use the law as a smokescreen for robbery and extortion.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 21:26 utc | 200