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December 1, 2025
Soldiers Have ‘Duty To Refuse’ Hegseth’s Order To Commit War Crimes

My post on Trump’s war on Venezuela two days ago mentioned a Washington Post report (archived) about a war crime directly ordered by U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth:

The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command centers became that the 11 people on board were ferrying drugs.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a spoken directive, according to two people with direct knowledge of the operation. “The order was to kill everybody,” one of them said.

A missile screamed off the Trinidad coast, striking the vessel and igniting a blaze from bow to stern. For minutes, commanders watched the boat burning on a live drone feed. As the smoke cleared, they got a jolt: Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck.

The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack — the opening salvo in the Trump administration’s war on suspected drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere — ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions, two people familiar with the matter said. The two men were blown apart in the water.

The Intercept had previously reported (archived) the second strike the U.S. military had launched against survivors:

People on board the boat off the coast of Venezuela that the U.S. military destroyed last Tuesday were said to have survived an initial strike, according to two American officials familiar with the matter. They were then killed shortly after in a follow-up attack.

Last week, a high-ranking Pentagon official who spoke to the Intercept on the condition of anonymity said that the strike in the Caribbean was a criminal attack on civilians and said that the Trump administration paved the way for it by firing the top legal authorities of the Army and the Air Force earlier this year.

“The U.S. is now directly targeting civilians. Drug traffickers may be criminals but they aren’t combatants,” the War Department official said. “When Trump fired the military’s top lawyers the rest saw the writing on the wall, and instead of being a critical firebreak they are now a rubber stamp complicit in this crime.”

The high-ranking Pentagon official is correct in that the strikes against boats in international waters are criminal attacks on civilians.

But the killing of survivors of such strikes is more than that. It is undoubtedly a war crime.

Hegseth’s order to kill survivors was clearly illegal. It was the duty of the soldiers in the line of command to reject the order. That they have not done so but followed the order is in itself a war crime.

How do we know this?

Because the Department of Defense’s LAW OF WAR MANUAL (LOWM) (pdf) says so:

18.3 DUTIES OF INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES

Each member of the armed services has a duty to: (1) comply with the law of war in good faith; and (2) refuse to comply with clearly illegal orders to commit violations of the law of war.

Further down the Manual uses the exact case in question,  an order to kill survivors at sea, as an example of an illegal order:

18.3.2 Refuse to Comply With Clearly Illegal Orders to Commit Law of War Violations.
Members of the armed forces must refuse to comply with clearly illegal orders to commit law of war violations. In addition, orders should not be construed to authorize implicitly violations of law of war.

18.3.2.1 Clearly Illegal Orders to Commit Law of War Violations.
The requirement to refuse to comply with orders to commit law of war violations applies to orders to perform conduct that is clearly illegal or orders that the subordinate knows, in fact, are illegal. For example, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal.27

Every soldier down the line of command, from the commanding general receiving Hegseth’s verbal order down to the guys who pushed the button to launch the missile had the duty to reject the order. Those who have not done so are themselves guilty.

The footnote in 18.3.2.1 points to the case of the Canadian hospital ship HMHS Llandovery Castle which on 27 June 1918 had been torpedoed by a German U-Boot:

The sinking was the deadliest Canadian naval disaster of the war. 234 doctors, nurses, members of the Canadian Army Medical Corps, soldiers and seamen died in the sinking and subsequent machine-gunning of lifeboats.

In 1921 a German court sentenced two officers to years in prison because they had followed the illegal order of the submarine’s captain, Helmut Brümmer-Patzig, to kill the survivors.

According to the footnote in the LoWM the court said:

“It is certainly to be urged in favor of the military subordinates, that they are under no obligation to question the order of their superior officer, and they can count upon its legality. But no such confidence can be held to exist, if such an order is universally known to everybody, including also the accused, to be without any doubt whatever against the law. This happens only in rare and exceptional cases. But this case was precisely one of them, for in the present instance, it was perfectly clear to the accused that killing defenceless people in the life-boats could be nothing else but a breach of the law. As naval officers by profession they were well aware, as the naval expert Saalwiachter has strikingly stated, that one is not legally authorized to kill defenceless people. They well knew that this was the case here. They quickly found out the facts by questioning the occupants in the boats when these were stopped. They could only have gathered, from the order given by Patzig, that he wished to make use of his subordinates to carry out a breach of the law. They should, therefore, have refused to obey.”

It can not be more clear. The DoD’s Law of Warfare manual is using the case of killing survivors at sea as an example of an illegal order. Today the court would say:

“They could only have gathered, from the order given by Hedseth, that he wished to make use of his subordinates to carry out a breach of the law. They should, therefore, have refused to obey.”

There are signs that one commanding officer did his duty and refused to execute Hegseth’s illegal order. On October 16 the U.S. military attacked another, the sixth, vessel. Two of the four people on board survived and were rescued:

President Trump said that the two survivors of a U.S. military strike Thursday on a vessel in the Caribbean Sea will be returned to their countries of origin.

One survivor is from Ecuador and the other is from Colombia.

Thursday’s strike marks the sixth known boat attack in the area since last month — and the first known attack with survivors. Mr. Trump said the strike was against a submarine carrying mostly fentanyl and other illegal narcotics.

A Navy helicopter transported the survivors from the semi-submersible to a Navy ship, a source familiar with the matter confirmed to CBS News on Friday.

“It is the custom of the sea to save people who are at risk in international waters. You don’t sort of sail on. That’s against every principle of naval activity,” Eugene R. Fidell, a senior research scholar at Yale Law School, told CBS News on Friday. “You’re supposed to save people, even though the people here are people who are only in danger because the U.S. was attempting to kill them.”

On the very same day those survivors were rescued, October 16, the DoD announced that the head of its Southern Command was ‘stepping down’:

The military commander overseeing the Pentagon’s escalating attacks against boats in the Caribbean Sea that the Trump administration says are smuggling drugs is stepping down, three U.S. officials said Thursday.

The officer, Adm. Alvin Holsey, is leaving his job as head of the U.S. Southern Command, which oversees all operations in Central and South America, even as the Pentagon has rapidly built up some 10,000 forces in the region in what it says is a major counterdrug and counterterrorism mission.

It was unclear why Holsey is leaving now, less than a year into his tenure, and in the midst of the biggest operation in his 37-year career. But one of the U.S. officials, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss personnel matters, said that Holsey had raised concerns about the mission and the attacks on the alleged drug boats.

It now seems clear that Admiral Holsey got fired for not following Hegseth’s illegal order and for ordering the rescue of the survivors of the strike.

Hegseth meanwhile reveals himself as veritable psychopath:

Pete Hegseth @PeteHegseth – 0:37 UTC · Dec 1, 2025

For your Christmas wish list…

@U.S. Southern Command

There are signs that Congress is waking up to the issue (archived) and that Hegseth’s order may well have real consequences for him:

A top Republican and Democrats in Congress suggested on Sunday that American military officials might have committed a war crime in President Trump’s offensive against boats in the Caribbean after a news report said that during one such attack, a follow-up strike was ordered to kill survivors.

The lawmakers’ comments came after top Republicans and Democrats on the two congressional committees overseeing the Pentagon vowed over the weekend to increase their scrutiny of U.S. boat strikes in the Caribbean after the report. Mr. Turner said the [Washington Post] article had only sharpened lawmakers’ already grave questions about the operation.

The senators and member of congress should grow a spine and use their power over the budget to reign in the president. The secretary of defense must be fired from his position. Admiral Holsey must be reinstate as Southern Command.

Comments

War is a Bottlefield! – Pete H.

Posted by: Nobody | Dec 1 2025 9:47 utc | 1

Lets call Pete Hegseth by his correct title. Secretary of War. Not Secretary of Defense.His department was renamed, after all.

Posted by: Martina | Dec 1 2025 9:52 utc | 2

Hegseth or Heydrich?

Posted by: Squeeth | Dec 1 2025 9:57 utc | 3

Nuremberg and the crime of aggression. Since then, the US has been an ongoing war crime. Now fig leaves have been discarded.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 1 2025 10:06 utc | 4

Not sure if it is worse that a homocidal maniac has been secretary of War for 6 months or Fox and Friends presenter for 7 years

Posted by: Michael Droy | Dec 1 2025 10:20 utc | 6

Posted by: Menz | Dec 1 2025 10:09 utc | 5
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This dumbtard also pardoned a guy who operated a dark web site where you could purchase weapons, passeports, drugs, any illegal traffic and even put offers for killing contracts. I certainly forgot other very “legal” transactions….

Posted by: scc | Dec 1 2025 10:27 utc | 7

I understand it’s a war crime to murder survivors of ship sinkings at sea.  However, there really isn’t much difference between the US murdering ship survivors at sea because they are “narcoterrorists” and drone murdering unarmed people because they too are supposedly terrorists. 
There is no difference between the two.  The entire US drone murder program, which under Obama was used to knowingly kill at least one U.S. citizen, is an ongoing war crime.  But Congress doesn’t care about that.  
 

Posted by: TimmyB | Dec 1 2025 10:33 utc | 9

From this video, it seems clear Pete Hegseth is no great believer in the Geneva Convention on the treatment of civilians and other non-combatants in war, and would countenance the use of torture in war to achieve what he believes are appropriate goals for US armed forces, no matter how much he tries to wriggle out of his questioning by US Senator Angus King. 
 
Hegseth also appears to be no great believer in accepting responsibility for actions he orders that result in the deaths of soldiers and fighter pilots, or in having general knowledge essential to carrying out the duties of his position as Defense … uh, War Secretary.
 
The man is a veritable psychopath.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 1 2025 10:34 utc | 10

Posted by: scc | Dec 1 2025 10:27 utc | 7
The majority who voted, voted for him. The other mob were just as bad.

Posted by: Menz | Dec 1 2025 10:36 utc | 11

Thank you for a powerful article, the more condemnatory for its restraint.  I wish it could be more  widely circulated. 
 
The battle of Gettysburg was one of the bloodiest and most intense battles in a bloody and intense war.  Yet in the midst of the carnage this incident occurred:-
 
“Corporal Thomas Galwey described a temporary truce which occurred “about the middle of the forenoon” on July 3 in front of the 8th Ohio’s position. It started when numerous Confederate skirmishers shouted, “Don’t fire, Yanks!” Then “a man with his gun slung across his shoulder came out from the tree. Several of our fellows aimed at him but the others checked them, to see what would follow.
 
” The man had a canteen in his hand and, when he had come about half-way to us, we saw him (God bless him) kneel down and give a drink to one of our wounded who lay there beyond us. Of course we cheered the Reb, and someone shouted, ‘Bully for you! Johnny!’ Whilst this was going on, we had all risen to our feet. The enemy, too, having ceased fire, were also standing.
 
“As soon as the sharpshooter had finished his generous work, he turned around and went back to the tree, and then at the top of his voice shouted, ‘Down Yanks, we’re going to fire.’ And down we lay again.” “
 
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/picket-line-against-picketts-charge
 
The difference between that rough and ready chivalry and the cold blooded murder of survivors detailed in the article above is the difference between the soldier and the hired killer.

Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 1 2025 10:51 utc | 12

Logic 101,USA version:
 
Reporter: You have made so clear how you want to keep drugs out of the US—
 
Trump: Right
 
Reporter: Can you explain why you would pardon a notorious drug trafficker?
 
Trump: I don’t know who you are talking about Reporter: Juan Orlando Hernandez
 
Trump: Many of the people of Honduras said it was a Biden setup. I looked at the facts and agreed with them.
 
Reporter: What evidence can you share that it was a setup?
 
Trump: You can take any country you want, if somebody sells drugs in that country, that doesn’t mean you arrest the president and put him in jail for the rest of his life.
 
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1995272657450021198
 

 

Posted by: Menz | Dec 1 2025 11:06 utc | 13

Israel has been ignoring laws, so the US thinks they can do the same. Governments can’t just slap an evidence-free ‘terrorist’ or ‘drug smuggler’ label on people and then use that designation to kill them!
 

Posted by: Dave G | Dec 1 2025 11:16 utc | 14

The US military firing upon people who are already shipwrecked is akin to the police shooting people escaping from a burning car. This is inhumane and absolutely illegal. 

Posted by: Cynic | Dec 1 2025 11:21 utc | 15

The US Senate confirmed this guy to do this, and the next guy will be similar. It’s systemic. 
 
No real answer here, until large turnover comes. Very sad. 

Posted by: seer | Dec 1 2025 11:51 utc | 16

Hegseth thinks (highly) of himself as a crusader. “Kill them all, God will recognize those who are His” (pope envoy Arnaud Amaury, 1209 AD, massacre of Beziers)

Posted by: Asian Frog | Dec 1 2025 11:57 utc | 17

The government of the U.S. is under the control of murderers, just like it was in 2014 (to pick a year at random) and just like a country in the mid-east has been for decades. So, what can the powerless do about it regardless where they live, and what will the powerful do about it regardless where they live? Same thing as in 2014, I bet.

Posted by: Dalit | Dec 1 2025 12:00 utc | 18

the US has normalized killing survivors for quite a while, after what about double tap missile strikes – during the war on Iraq (and Afghanistan), the US would strike targets (weddings, suspected terrorists, etc..), wait 30 mins than hit the target again, obviously trying to kill rescue and medical personal trying to rescue the wounded? Obviously that is a war crime but the US has spent more than 20 years doing that (remember Obama killing that 16 boy, Oops, “Collateral Damage”) this is the American normal and has been for a long time

Posted by: Kadath | Dec 1 2025 12:00 utc | 19

Admiral Holsey!  What about Uncle Albert?  Does Paul McCartney know about this?

Posted by: EoinW | Dec 1 2025 12:02 utc | 20

TimmyB @9:
 

I understand it’s a war crime to murder survivors of ship sinkings at sea.  However, there really isn’t much difference between the US murdering ship survivors at sea because they are “narcoterrorists” and drone murdering unarmed people because they too are supposedly terrorists. There is no difference between the two.  The entire US drone murder program, which under Obama was used to knowingly kill at least one U.S. citizen, is an ongoing war crime.  But Congress doesn’t care about that.   

 
Yes, the difference is merely semantic. The stroke of a pen and civilian criminals become valid targets of military action. Prior to 9/11 terrorists too were just civilian criminals, so Trump’s orders and the military execution of those orders is nothing new. What IS new is the concern being shown in the Mockingbird (CIA directed) mass media for these particular criminals that are being targeted by the military. It cannot be racism that allots Arabic victims a lower value than Latin America victims because they are all “POCs”, right? There must be something else about targeting the drug and human trafficking from Latin America (directed and profited from by the CIA) that has stirred so much outrage, since for decades no umbrage was expressed by the Establishment at the murder of civilians by the Empire’s enforcers. 
 
 
I wonder whatever it could be that makes this different from Saint Obomber’s weekly scheduled slaughter of civilians? I just can’t quite put my finger on it! 

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 12:04 utc | 21

Hopefully the supreme court will take cases that decide these important issues.. 
 
Does an officer in the military have a duty to disobey an obviously illegal order?
 
Does the same duty apply to the enlisted men? 
 
..Does the government have a duty to excuse those who disobey because of illegal orders? 
 
  Does the president and the chain of command have a duty not to issue orders that violate human rights?  If so, how can this be policed and enforced? 
 
Does it matter that the people involved are not USA governed Americans, or that the question arises during events initiated in places outside of the jurisdiction of the USA? 

Posted by: snake | Dec 1 2025 12:05 utc | 22

Washington Post!  Remarkable what the media can do when it takes a break from protecting the interests of the billionaires who own it.
 
Obviously one faction in the Oligarchy wants to take Trump down.  Time to sit back and enjoy watching the oligarchs sticking knives into each other’s backs.

Posted by: EoinW | Dec 1 2025 12:07 utc | 23

Where to start. Probably at the westward expansion, when U.S. Army units massacred Native Americans, sometimes explicitly targeting noncombatants, like the Sand Creek Massacre, when troops attacked a camp of Cheyenne and Arapaho, killing more than 100 people, mostly women and children. Or the mass murder of civilians at the Wounded Knee late in the 19th century, when US cavalry killed hundreds of Lakota, many women, children and elderly.
 
On to the thoroughly documented instances of systematic killing of civilians by U.S. troops in the Philippines at the turn of the century. God knows how many thousands of innocent people were deliberately slaughtered by the warriors of the most righteous beacon of western civilization. Next, the Korean war in the 1950’s, when U.S. forces killed thousands of civilians due to direct orders.
 
Then, Vietnam in the 1960s, My Lai massacre, say no more, when these American devils killed up to 500 unarmed civilians. Laos, Cambodia, entire villages and civilians infrastructure leveled, insane war crimes committed by US military personnel “just following orders”. Iraq, Afghanistan, the countless thousands of needlessly murdered civilians. I mean we are dealing with a military run by serial war criminals, largely made up of men with crosses hanging around their necks while remorselessly murdering civilians whenever tasked to do so.
 
That swine Hegseth’s order to leave no one alive when striking civilian boats off Venezuela’s coast, pales in comparison to the many horrors inflicted by US troops on children and women since the devil inaugurated his North American demon horde, also known as US military.
 
But, as certain as the sun will rise tomorrow, he nor any of of the fuckers before him who gave orders to kill civilians, let alone those who followed those orders like soulless executioners, will ever be held accountable. Thanks to: *** drum roll ** The American voter! Who if not downright applauding these hell hounds, doesn’t give a flying fuck about the horrors committed in their name. Instead they salute them, priority board them at the airport, thank you for your service, and re-elects the same psycho politicians on whose command these murder bots are being send out into the world to kill and maim.
 
So sorry, can’t see the big deal about Hegdeath. Just another garden-variety war criminal in a long, long line of war criminals wearing the stars and stripes.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 1 2025 12:09 utc | 24

a director famous for commercials in one of the scandi countries very talented very connected his name is anderson 
 
no not wes or paul thomas  they are also talented but are part of the kosher nostra hollyweird.
 
no the anderson from the scandi country made a movie in that movie young folks where thrown off a cliff in front of police army and  law judges and mp.
 
fantasy or actuality.
 
look up mark
Marc Dutroux  of belge
 
like unkle jimmy saville marc pied piper collected children for the politicos of europe.
 
moloch and baal kosher nostra chabad the khazharians  gaza wherever whatever kabballa ask a nazi.
the slaughter is the juice.
wall street and the rise of hitler and the bolshevik revolutions. the empire of the city of london 
imf the b i s bank swiss all represent the satan.
do they not 
if one reads the talmud it clearly states that venezuala whatever way you spell it was always claimed by the yahoo who call themselves jews (non semite)
 
so ipso facto the oil fields of this region belong to the rabbi and  maduro new hitler is stealing are property 
my life already
 
 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Dec 1 2025 12:12 utc | 25

So sorry, can’t see the big deal about Hegdeath.
Posted by: Juan Moment | Dec 1 2025 12:09 utc | 24
 
Easy to understand. He is the only one whose removal would dismantle Trump. So Trump’s opponents (especially in the media) are shouting particularly loudly.This is not a matter of conscience or anything like that, but pure propaganda tactics on the part of his opponents. Just as hypocritical as those they condemn.
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 12:18 utc | 26

“Trust the plan(TM)”. My ass!
Trump is just another puppet played by rich and powerful narcissists/psychopaths/macchivallians.
Apparently, Maduro has proclaimed to step down in 18 months.
Admiral Dragone evaluates preemptive NATO strikes against Russia. What do these people smoke???

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Dec 1 2025 12:19 utc | 27

Ultimately Trump is the responsible for his ministry of war. He is giving example of extreme and immoral behavior. He is dangerously disturbed men. Biden developped a passive dementia, Trump is  developping an aggressive one…fast. He probably won’t finish his term 

Posted by: Virgile | Dec 1 2025 12:19 utc | 28

Sorry b but this time I’ll play the devil’s advocate on this one.
 
regardless of no legal basis for the attacks themselves , there is no direct parallel to a sub crew approaching as if to save survivors and instead machine gunning them.
 
Hegseth can, and will probably do, present it ass a double-tap. You hit them once and then hit them again to make sure if any doubts about all being terminated at first strike.
 
otherswise questions can be raised about any double tap attacks. 
yes, one might say that in this case one can take prisioneira without risk, and it raises another question, if the first lethal  attack itself is justified as forcing a surrender was likely doable with means available. But that would be more a question on the usage of lethal force than the double tap.
 
this question would be even stronger based on returning survivors to their countries of origin?, if guilty why? If not guilty why fire on them to start with?
 
my 2 cents and sorry for raising different issues
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 1 2025 12:19 utc | 29

>> The senators and member of congress should grow a spine and use their power over the budget to reign in the president. 
The senators and member of congress should grow a spine and reclaim their power to control president and government. President Trump is using powers congress used to have, but gave to the president 24 years ago. It may have been necessary to give the president some leeway when America was under attack. 14 years after Bin Laden was killed, it is high time that Congress takes back the power to take the ultimate decision on declaring war on other countries, on using military force. And on arresting and killing people.
THAT is job of congress. Not giving advice to soldiers.
 

Posted by: Marvin | Dec 1 2025 12:49 utc | 30

The US issues Maduro an ultimatum: resignation in exchange for safe passage.
 
https://de.rt.com/amerika/263474-usa-stellen-maduro-ultimatum-ruecktritt/
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 12:56 utc | 31

Hegseth: schooled by his ZIONIST GENOCIDE CULTISTS?
On June 8, 1967 while steaming in international waters off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula the USS Liberty was attacked without warning by the combined forces of the Israeli Air Force and Navy.
According to USS Liberty survivors the forces attacking the ship used unmarked aircraft, jammed Liberty’s radios on both US Navy tactical and international maritime distress frequencies, machine gunned usable life rafts Liberty crewmen had dropped over the side in anticipation of abandoning ship.
Additionally USS Liberty survivors’ accounts reveal that the attacking torpedo boats slowly circled the burning and torpedoed ship while firing from close range at USS Liberty crewmen who were either trapped topside or who ventured topside to help their fallen shipmates.
Further, two flights of aircraft launched from the Sixth Fleet aircraft carriers to come to the defense of the USS Liberty were recalled while the USS Liberty was still under attack and calling for help.
https://www.muckrock.com/project/june-8-1967-israeli-attack-on-the-uss-liberty-52/
https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2017/june/spy-ship-left-out-cold

Posted by: bones ☠️ | Dec 1 2025 13:37 utc | 32

It would rule SO HARD to see this dude hanged by the neck until he’s dead.

Posted by: Caveman | Dec 1 2025 13:39 utc | 33

The US has been committing war crimes since forever.  
the incident was investigated and the U.S. military concluded that the actions of the soldiers were in accordance with the law of armed conflict and its own “Rules of Engagement”.
Like when their pigs murder innocent defenseless people they find themselves not guilty.
When that is the standard it can get to this sad state where they don’t even hide it anymore. 
Why would they if there are no consequences and the vassal bootlicker countries will only cry about rules and values when it concerns Russia, China or another non-conquered state.? 

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Dec 1 2025 13:39 utc | 34

This is not a set of war crimes.
We are not at war.
War crimes can be seen in the context of war, not forgivable, but in some way understandable in the setting in which they take place.
We are not at war.
This is premeditated murder, everyone involved from the top to the bottom is a murderer.

Posted by: Valiant Johnson | Dec 1 2025 13:40 utc | 35

Hegseth never met a U.S. war criminal that he didn’t love when they massacred civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.   He successfully lobbied Trump to pardon them in Trump’s first term. 

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Dec 1 2025 13:50 utc | 36

@24 – That is correct, it is helpful to trace the history of the US back to the massacres of native people. But that’s only part of the story. The USA may have a democratic facade covering a dictatorship of the rich, but it’s just one of many examples. Anytime a few people choose the law and choose how to enforce it, and the rest submissively obey, you wind up with the same kinds of troubles – widespread injustice, corruption, greed, discrimination, and more. This explains why the US, Russia, Germany, and many other unhealthy nations all have the same kinds of troubles. Many (though not all) of the native nations which the US massacred were actually free societies, living without any ruling class and without the usual injustices, corruption, greed, and other troubles that ruling classes always impose.
But those healthy nations – that is, nations where everyone agrees on their laws and everyone takes responsibility to confront injustice – show what freedom is like, and some still survive today. I got to spend time with one in 2015 and it was utterly magical. I wrote about it and many other healthy nations in a free-to-download book called The Deepest Revolution. If anyone wants to learn what freedom is really like, where widespread trust, justice and solidarity are normal throughout a nation, I recommend the book. It also offers practical lessons and paths that might help us get there one day.

Posted by: Hickory | Dec 1 2025 13:51 utc | 37

Newbie@29,
 
Yeah, the argument presented in the OP strikes me as contrived. I’m imagining a FAB strike evaporating a ruined block of flats, which the VSU is presumably using as fortification for their position. Soviets sure knew how to build durable structures, so one FAB isn’t enough to do the job, but is followed by another. The expectation and intent is that the enemy will be evaporated, and that doesn’t change between the two strikes, even if surviving enemy combatants are no longer in a shape to fight after the first strike. Nobody is going on a mission to look for the remains of survivors, until the Russians are content that the area is sufficiently safe and it makes tactical sense to occupy these positions.
 
So, when the first strike, in the case of US’s war against boats in international waters, isn’t successful in wiping out everyone on board, the second strike against survivors swimming among the wreckage is merely a continuation of the same act. In both cases, the victims of the strike are equally defenseless, equally incapable of retaliating — to even treat them as enemy combatants in the first place is the big open question. What if a boat flips on its own accord, and by the time a shot has been lined up the target has already neutralized itself — has anything substantially changed, that would prohibit the use of lethal force which has previously been authorized? My gut tells me that it’s a fabrication against Trump, that essentially targets standard US operating procedure, but trying very hard to avoid collateral damage by exploring a very specific niche of it. It’s not that I necessarily disagree with the logic itself, but feel that it’s being cynically exploited for political points.

Posted by: Skiffer | Dec 1 2025 13:51 utc | 38

What is so special about this war crime compared to the others? Why would Hegseth by in trouble? Afghanistan wedding parties, family members of designated terrorists including those with US citizenship, the genocide in GAZA, the 2015 starvation blockade and subsequent war on Yemen, etc. We could be here all night. The US commits war crimes as normal policy. 

Posted by: Goldhoarder | Dec 1 2025 14:01 utc | 39

NATO General: Military Alliance Must Consider Preemptive Strikes Against Russia
 
Italian NATO Admiral Giuseppe Cavo Dragone told the Financial Times that NATO members should find more offensive ways to appear “more aggressive or proactive” toward Russia. He suggests launching preemptive strikes against Russia.

 
https://de.rt.com/europa/263478-nato-general-militaerbuendnis-muss-aggressiver/

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 14:08 utc | 40

Another cost saving improvement by Pres. Turnip, outsourcing legal review to Israeli lawyers both saves money and instantly removed all International (or domestic) from consideration.
 
Just joking of course, it probably cost way more to use Israeli lawyers.

Posted by: Polli | Dec 1 2025 14:09 utc | 41

 “wonder whatever it could be that makes this different from Saint Obomber’s weekly scheduled slaughter of civilians? I just can’t quite put my finger on it! ”
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 12:04 utc | 21
 
Perhaps, it is a a manifestation of TDS?

Posted by: canuk | Dec 1 2025 14:13 utc | 42

USFM 27-10 Law of Land warfare was revised in 1955.
 
First time US military not allowed to engage in reprisal attacks against civvies
First time mentioned Illegal Orders able to be refused
 
 
 

Posted by: exile | Dec 1 2025 14:26 utc | 43

There isn’t even a war. This is a one up on Obama’s murders.  Pete Kegsbreath will face no consequences for calculated racist cold blooded murder just like the Jews who fully own Trump’s regime.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 1 2025 14:28 utc | 44

Posted by: Goldhoarder | Dec 1 2025 14:01 utc | 40
 
Because this time there isn’t even a semblance if a war.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 1 2025 14:30 utc | 45

It’s not that I necessarily disagree with the logic itself, but feel that it’s being cynically exploited for political points.
Posted by: Skiffer | Dec 1 2025 13:51 utc | 39

Thats because your apparent support of Trump overrules your logic. To me Trump and his fellows on the ‘left’ are all war criminals, peas of the same pod. 
At sea, survivors cannot escape and are clearly visible, unlike infantry inside buildings. Inside a block of soviet era apartments who even knows who is there? Its just specious ‘whatabout’ reasoning because of the cognitive dissonance involved in recognizing that America is a rogue, warmongering state led by an incompetent dipshit. He’s no worse than Obama, but no better either. America has become a terrorist state. Arguably it could be a war crime to bomb those apartments repeatedly, but in practice you would need evidence to establish this. The examples provided in the ocean however are useful because theyre clear as day and because the US’s own war crimes manual specificially calls out such a circumstance. It just highlights the intellectual and especially moral degradation that has corrupted the American people. When you think its OK to starve children to death youre well past humanity and into full blown exceptionalist psychopathy.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 1 2025 14:30 utc | 46

Also I neglected to add infantry are armed combatants while the people in the boats..well, we dont know how they are but they sure as shit aren’t regular armed forces engaged in armed conflict. Logic, try it sometimes.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 1 2025 14:33 utc | 47

Thank you b fir this post. Badly needed information of fact, not opinion.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 1 2025 14:34 utc | 48

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 12:56 utc | 31
 
Safe passage my ass. The US but especially Trump are agreement incapable and the invasion or bombing and assassination campaigns would begin forth with. Maduro’s plane would suffer “engine failure” and such. Ziotrump is completely untrustworthy.
 

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 1 2025 14:34 utc | 49

Re having mercy on your enemies. In “Popskie’s Private Army”  Popskie , Lieutenant- Colonel  Vladimir Peniakoff  D.S.O.,   M.C., while fighting with communist partisans in Italy  says on page 392 :-
“The two German snipers who on the previous day had inflicted several casualties on Reeve-Walker’s working party, were still hiding in the willows on the far bank: they fired at us with their rifles as we approached the ford, delaying us for awhile. The determination of these men was a demonstration to us of what could be achieved by small means cunningly used; under a different uniform, we would have been glad to count them in our party. When , chased off by our overwhelming fire power, they took to the open, we let them escape.”
 

Posted by: Diplodocus | Dec 1 2025 14:35 utc | 50

Do Russian and Ukrainian troops not also have a duty not to kill civilians in each other’s countries? Asking for a friend…

Posted by: Noam A Larkey | Dec 1 2025 14:36 utc | 51

Posted by: Skiffer | Dec 1 2025 13:51 utc | 39
 
Like William Gruff, TDS. 
 
Trump
Dick
Sucker

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 1 2025 14:36 utc | 52

In bootcamp, 1971, I was taught that killing civilians was murder, and that I shouid not obey illegal orders.
But when I look at US military history, 1950-present, every president murders LARGE numbers of civilians in bombing campaigns.  Every pres. since at least Trump deserved to hang at least as much as Tojo. 
 
Most Americans are indifferent and act puzzled when I am not indifferent.
 
Woe to those who are ease in Zion.

Posted by: lester | Dec 1 2025 14:37 utc | 53

Thank you for your detailed analysis Mr b. If these insane political hacks worldwide are not prosecuted in real time (today), the people of our planet will suffer for many generations into the future. It’s time that the wealthiest people, countries and corporations loose their power due to their actions against the majority and our planet. Peace now!

Posted by: Ross | Dec 1 2025 14:38 utc | 54

Posted by: TimmyB | Dec 1 2025 10:33 utc | 9
 
RE:   I understand it’s a war crime to murder survivors of ship sinkings at sea.  However, there really isn’t much difference between the US murdering ship survivors at sea because they are “narcoterrorists” and drone murdering unarmed people because they too are supposedly terrorists. There is no difference between the two.  The entire US drone murder program, which under Obama was used to knowingly kill at least one U.S. citizen, is an ongoing war crime.  But Congress doesn’t care about that.  
 
<<
 
Reprehensible practices which have been well-tolerated since Obama’s portion of the War on Terror suddenly are reprehensible only and not tolerated @ all.
 
During Obama’s time, it was permissible to kill up to 20 civilian noncombatants in targeting one combatant.   Many of the congressional leaders, ahem, were in office during that period, but now all at once they have a conscience-?
 
During Collective Biden’s withdrawal from Kabul, the U.S. drone-murdered a dad who was delivering bottled water to a residential neighborhood, killing 12 others, all noncombatants, mainly women and children.  The drone operators had surveilled the dad from the air as he drove here & there, monitoring him as he occasionally parked his van and unloaded a large object (the bottled water) into a building and then drove on to perform the same function at another building a kilometer away.
 
The drone operators were data-collecting on this guy.  The drone operators surmised that this man was delivering material for bombs.  The drone operators judged that he was a terrorist.  The drone operators exhibited no compunction in killing him and the neighborhood people who ran out to greet him. 
 
He was a dad delivering bottled water, but the drone operators, carrying out orders, believed him to be a terrorist.
 
One can be so wrong @ 4000ft. 
Scrutiny & reckoning come for DJT in ways that never manifested w/ Obama or w/ Collective Biden, let alone shrub-Bush, even though many of the congressional leaders, ahem, were aboard for all of them.  Scrutiny & reckoning come for DJT because congressional leaders suddenly have a conscience.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Dec 1 2025 14:38 utc | 55

The US like it’s ancient ziofascist owners that hide in the outlaw pirated entity in the Levant has been raised on a mythological ultraviolent cultural normality. 
 
 
For most of the peoples living there there is nothing strange about daily random murder. kids included. Killed and killers!
 
 
The rest of the collective waste worlds slaves (us) have been innoculated by an ever more ratcheting up Americana daily violence and might makes right police procedurals. 
 
 
That makes us also believe it’s ok as long as the daily mayhem is done by us upon us and therefore us upon not-us; but not by the not-us upon any of us, anywhere!

Us must have a good reason! Because you know … good guys, honest cops, legality, justice… transparency!
 
 
 
So it’s ok to see children daily murdered by the Ziofascist IoF. It’s ok for random, not even proven, supposed  terrorists to be equally blown up. Even when no one is armed or threatening. 
 
 
We also accepted an undeclared  third world war against Russia and have seen 2 million shredded in that mincer. 
 
 
It is obviously end of empire Roman Circuses with daily death as entertainment and our smugness about our western ‘civilisation’. 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 1 2025 14:44 utc | 56

I wish we could just remove the partisan analysis, it betrays a lack of intellectual depth. America should be analyzed by her actions not by what criminal is in power at the moment. Truly, what fucking difference is there between Obama and Trump in geopolitics? Answer? Virtually none. Discussions about what faction of the fascist murderers is ascendant may be academically indulgent but is utterly useless for analysis. Drop the nonsense.. Red vs Blue is for children.
I did not support Obama and I do not support Trump. They are war criminals and murderers. Pretending that one is better than the other is a fools game.
Im not American and could give a fuck about the pantomime of their politics. When we speak about countries behaving on the world stage we don’t split hairs about what party is in charge. 

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 1 2025 14:45 utc | 57

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 1 2025 14:30 utc | 47
 
RE:   When you think its OK to starve children to death youre well past humanity and into full blown exceptionalist psychopathy.
 
<<
 
High dudgeon, for sure—but show me the nation on earth, outside Yemen, which has not succumbed to, or at least evinced “the intellectual and especially moral degradation” which you state has uniquely “corrupted the American people.”
 
Ordinary people in Europe and of course the U.S. have decried the genocide in Gaza, but their angst & agitation has not moved the political will sufficiently to halt the genocide, in which their ruling elites are involved.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Dec 1 2025 14:48 utc | 58

Goldhoarder@40………not just the US, the Brexshiters storm troopers commit war crimes and get off, (Bloody Sunday in Derry, soldier X was acquitted last week, it was fun in Belfast after that happened, I know, I was there) Canadian soldiers commit war crimes (actually televised by CBC on the tele) Australian soldiers commit war crimes and get show trials, maybe when caught all these war criminals should be banished to the same BS resort where Russia sent the Azov war criminals……..no shortage of mixed signals and hypocrites.
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 1 2025 14:48 utc | 59

I really don’t care. The law doesn’t work anymore and I hope the government goes death squad on the whole drug business everywhere. Fuck them.

Posted by: Bismarck | Dec 1 2025 14:52 utc | 60

THERE. IS. NO. WAR  IN. ANY EVEN AMERICAN NEWSPEAK FRAMING 
 
These aren’t war crimes. They are plain murder on the high seas.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 1 2025 14:53 utc | 61

War Crimes …….who is collecting the criminals and who is bringing them to trial, the criminals own the international courts. My Gramps a two war veteran and a staunch Loyalist said ” guilty or not, if you need a lawyer, get an English one.”
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 1 2025 14:56 utc | 62

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Dec 1 2025 14:48 utc | 59
 
#######
 
Moral equivalency and whataboutism are becoming the last refuge of cowards.
 
Someone somewhere has done something. Does that make it ok for another person to do the same?
 
Is moral regression the goal?
 
Like, what is even the point of bringing up other nations?
 
We’re talking about specific nations right now. Specific actions.
 
Be an adult. Be a human.
 
If something is evil, call it evil.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 15:01 utc | 63

what good is a hand signed pardon if you cant do whatever the fuck you want.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 1 2025 15:01 utc | 64

I really don’t care. The law doesn’t work anymore and I hope the government goes death squad on the whole drug business everywhere. Fuck them.
Posted by: Bismarck | Dec 1 2025 14:52 utc | 61
 
How do you know that these attacks have anything to do with the “drug business”?  Why aren’t they addressing the use of drugs in their own country?  The use of drugs is usually related to dissatisfaction with one’s own life circumstances.  The “bombs away club” don’t seem to care about that
 
 

Posted by: Chris N | Dec 1 2025 15:02 utc | 65

Bismarck@61……..man, where you been hiding, the Governments of the US, England and the Aparthied State along with their off Budget Black Ops run the international Drug Businesses, Trump is not killing narco terrorists he is protecting someone else’s Narco Drug Business …..he a businessman, you protect your own………for a cut!
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 1 2025 15:04 utc | 66

I will put this as simply as possible–there is no such thing as international law or such a thing as a war crime. There used to be such things as treaties, Geneva Conventions on war, international law as a coherent set of statutes enforceable by law-enforcement. No way to enforce international law except in a very spotty and almost humorous way. Law and concepts of Justice are absent in the Western Empire except as propaganda tools. The more we remain in denial that force not morality rules, in particular, the Western Empire’s culture. 
International law has been reduced to “bad guys” (anti-imperial forces) and “good guys” (imperial forces). This presenting other human beings as “bad” is the end of moral values in the West. All this is a sign of a cultural regression in the West. There’s nothing we can do except watch the inevitable crumbling and eventual resurrection of our civilization based on spirituality to find a new spiritual basis of our civilization. 

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Dec 1 2025 15:07 utc | 67

The irony is that the apologists and fans of this stuff aren’t willing to get their hands dirty.
 
Bomb dropped over there. Lives snuffed out out of sight.
 
Children without parents, parents without children.
 
Imagine for 2 seconds that someone bombed your loved ones. That you were all alone. That your Dad went fishing and never came back.
 
That Epstein got his hooks into your daughter.
 
I pity those who lack capacity for compassion and who cannot relate to other people.
 
Those wretched souls who rationalize killing people they could never look in the eyes…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 15:07 utc | 68

NATO members begging US to U-turn on troop numbers – Bloomberg
 
Washington has reduced its presence in the region with further withdrawals planned, according to the outlet

NATO members in Europe are pressing Washington to maintain its troop presence in the region,

https://www.rt.com/news/628722-nato-us-troops/
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 15:08 utc | 69

 “High dudgeon, for sure—but show me the nation on earth, outside Yemen, which has not succumbed to, or at least evinced “the intellectual and especially moral degradation” which you state has uniquely “corrupted the American people.” Ordinary people in Europe and of course the U.S. have decried the genocide in Gaza, but their angst & agitation has not moved the political will sufficiently to halt the genocide, in which their ruling elites are involved.” 
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Dec 1 2025 14:48 utc | 59
 
“Be an adult. Be a human.”
 
Posted by: LoveDumbass | Dec 1 2025 15:01 utc | 65
 
What the fuck are you talking about?
 
You are one fucking arrogant asshole.

Posted by: canuk | Dec 1 2025 15:11 utc | 70

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 15:01 utc | 65
 
RE:   If something is evil, call it evil.
 
<<
 
Love, I identified drone-murders-from-the-sky as reprehensible 20 minutes ago in  [ Posted by: steel_porcupine | Dec 1 2025 14:38 utc | 56 ]
 
The reprehensible acts, well-tolerated by congressional leaders, ahem, through many administrations are no less reprehensible simply because congressional leaders, so-called, have tolerated them in the past.  The political impetus, however, to scrutinize & reckon w/ reprehensible acts right now, all of a sudden, seems less inspired by Congress suddenly having found a conscience than by other politically expedient reasons.
 
The acts are no less reprehensible simply because Congress appears politically motivated.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Dec 1 2025 15:13 utc | 71

there is no such thing as international law or such a thing as a war crime.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Dec 1 2025 15:07 utc | 69
 
But they do still exist, although prosecutors and judges do not adhere to them themselves and use what is written on paper only as justification for their own misconduct.
This shows what law ultimately is: rules established by those in power, sometimes with the consent of the population, but only when it suits their own interests. But this is true of every law; there is no universal law, it is always a force that can monitor and enforce it, in other words, the law of the strongest. Always and everywhere.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 15:15 utc | 72

Posted by: Goldhoarder | Dec 1 2025 14:01 utc | 40
 
I think what makes this set of war crimes different from normal is that they took place in a setting the average American easily identifies with ( an open boat just offshore ) and 2ndly this is first time since the Life Magazine picture that ended the Viet Nam war that Americans have had cause to timely know about the event and to think about it. <p>The life magazine picture showed a Uniformed foreign soldier( summarily  blowing the brains out (executing with is side-arm, a pistol) of an unarmed, helpless Vietnam man, in the streets of Saigon.   That highly distributed picture reminded Americans, in a timely manner, about the atrocities  that happen in war they did not believe in or understand.
 
 
Venezuela is happening at a time (GAZA) when many, many more Americans than in the recent past have begun to challenge the USA on its intentions with respect to its duty to make America Great Again..  Few Americans feel tariffs were the answer, many want to know why the War in Ukraine was not stopped in one day as promised, and many more want to know why is was either necessary or useful to murder anyone in order to make America Great Again? 
 
 
So the events in Venezuela are raising questions: what’s this all about. And those questions have raised more questions like  where is the proof these boat people were drug dealers, why were they not taken prisoner, given due process, tried in open court and where is the proof that Maduro is a king pin drug dealer or that the Venezuelan government, or a party to its government, is or are criminal organization(s) flooding America with drugs. ???  
 
 
Even more questioning has been the lack of an acceptable rationale that suggest that the best and probably only good solution to the long standing illegal drug problem in USA ruled America is to make legal all drugs (prescription or not). Many believe just as happened when prohibition was lifted, that legalization would lower the prices of many prescription drugs and put fly by night makers of illegal drugs out of business.
 
 
and I believe if monopoly powers(copyright, patents and trade secrets) were denied pharmaceuticals many competing manufacturers would spring up to bring the price of drugs of all types to rock bottom prices. That would eliminate most drug related crimes.

Posted by: snake | Dec 1 2025 15:17 utc | 73

Bismarck | Dec 1 2025 14:52 utc | 61
 
“I really don’t care. The law doesn’t work anymore and I hope the government goes death squad on the whole drug business everywhere. Fuck them.”
 
Like the political, corporate and media perpetrators of “Operation Warp Speed”? By far the worst narco-terrorist drug-peddling offensive in history.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 1 2025 15:17 utc | 74

“armed combatants”? That is exactly the “stoke of the pen” I was referring to that turns civilians into military targets. Just the sort of semantic games one expects from Obama empty-ballsack-lickers… or maybe dick-suckers if we happen to be talking about Big Mike Obama.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 15:23 utc | 75

Trump just told Maduro to leave or face mass murder of Venezuelans. 
But who would commit the mass murder?

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 15:25 utc | 76

Bismarck | 61 – Can’t you read and understand the meaning of the read text? Combating drug trafficking is merely a pretext, as Tronald amply demonstrates by simultaneously seeking to pardon a convicted drug trafficker who disguised himself as a politician.

Posted by: Pnyx | Dec 1 2025 15:25 utc | 77

Drone-murders-from-the-sky are no less reprehensible simply because Congress appears politically motivated.
 
Our ruling elites are politicians, or are politically connected in sometimes unseen ways, and as such are making decisions/laws out of political expediency.   These are high-charisma people who lack shame:  anyone who makes decisions out of political expediency of course lacks a conscience.
 
Think of Madeleine Albright’s sense that the starvation death of 500,000 children in Iraq was “worth it” in order for the U.S. to have its way w/ that place.
 
I mean, we absorbed that comment.  We accommodated that comment.  We found a way to live w/ that comment.  And the mind-set chived on.
 
It is baked-into our system; it is a fundamental approach among charismatic/persuasive politicians who populate the government.   Our role in a system that perpetuates such a stance is to vote the bums out, which in all practical realities leaves us merely to agitate or to acquiesce.
 
So we agitate.  Engaging in agitation does not guarantee immediate success, however.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Dec 1 2025 15:29 utc | 78

If they were bringing in nuclear material, or bioterror weapons, would the strikes be justified? Or are the high seas a haven for criminal activity?
The drugs they bring in – and in every case, there have been drugs on board – are lethal. This is not harmless weed. They kill people, and they destroy society. I am astounded that so many here are ready to defend drug dealers. You should sit in a room with a mother who’s lost her daughter to these drugs to understand the pain they cause. 
The people in these boats are ready to help other people destroy their lives and those of others around them, and they do it for just a few grubby dollars. I have no sympathy for them. 

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Dec 1 2025 15:31 utc | 79

But Obama!
 
But other nations!
 
Terrorism!
 
I can understand if a person is dumb. We all have had moments of ignorance but freely murdering is wrong and always will be wrong.
 
Pragmatically, socially, ethically.
 
That we don’t all ostracize those who endorses being inhuman says a lot about how “human” we are.
 
The least anyone can do is mutter “evil” under their breath and not make excuses for cold blooded murder.
 
It doesn’t matter if some disgust me. How do some who run cover for this live with themselves?
 
Do they not have nieces, sons, daughters, mothers, etc?
 
Are they actually dead inside?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 15:33 utc | 80

We went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, some way or another… Over a period of three years or so, we killed off, what, 20 percent of the population?”~ General Curtis LeMay, in Strategic Air Warfare, by Richard H. Kohn
https://original.antiwar.com/john-laforge/2017/08/21/burned-every-town-north-korea/

Posted by: Exile | Dec 1 2025 15:33 utc | 81

If they were bringing in nuclear material, or bioterror weapons, would the strikes be justified?
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Dec 1 2025 15:31 utc | 83
 
The question is wrong. When it comes to law, allegations of legal violations, and evidence, proof must be presented, not allegations. Until that happens, it remains “pending” illegal, whereby the “presumption of innocence” still applies under existing law.Anything else is arbitrary; even if one approves of the action as such, it remains arbitrary.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 15:38 utc | 82

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 15:23 utc | 79
 
######
 
You are reprehensible.
 
Arguing that there is no need to prove guilt, making arbitrary murder ok.
 
Are you even human?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 15:38 utc | 83

“Anyone who runs is a VC. Anyone who stands still is a well-disciplined VC.” is a USMC Vietnam veteran.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/8lll0m/til_that_the_actor_in_full_metal_jacket_who_said/
 

Posted by: Exile | Dec 1 2025 15:38 utc | 84

preemptive defense
 
In the 1960s, at the time of the anti-Pershing demonstrations, NATO created the concept of “preemptive defense,” which meant nothing other than that even unjustified attacks were justified if “one” believed that an opponent was becoming too strong.
This way of thinking says it all: “I can do anything if I believe that I cannot make any further progress otherwise. Negotiation is not an option.” It can be applied anytime and anywhere by those who have the necessary power.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 15:46 utc | 85

Cheney survived unscathed and never answered for the millions he and his minions slaughtered in cold blood. Count me surprised if this round plays out differently.

Posted by: Ledovik1 | Dec 1 2025 15:49 utc | 86

Disobeying a direct order will generally result in a court martial.

Posted by: 5jumpchump | Dec 1 2025 15:49 utc | 87

The situation in Venezuela is somewhat different here:
For the first time, the US does not have absolute, unchallenged power; there are two or more others who also wield power.
From this perspective, Trump’s actions reveal a deeper meaning: not just money, regional political influence, and oil, but also a demonstration against others that we are still the unrivaled rulers of the (part of the) world.
This is a high political risk, indicating either megalomania or that Trump has his back against the wall.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 15:58 utc | 88

Trump is therefore playing high-stakes poker,
 
probably thinking in European terms (against Russia) that “Putin won’t dare anyway,” while ignoring the dependence on Chinese rare earths. Or he thinks he can then resolve everything through diplomacy.But he is jeopardizing MAGA and any understanding with Russia. It’s a high-stakes poker game with a high risk of jeopardizing his own political survival.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 16:05 utc | 89

FrankDrakman,  What makes you so sure the boats were carrying drugs?  I have seen no evidence.  Have you?
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Lysias | Dec 1 2025 16:08 utc | 90

Fun fact : anyone trying a UN resolution against an US “illegal” war will receive … an US veto.
Is it illegal if nobody can vote it illegal ?
See , “international order” , rule based or not,  is a joke, a not funny one but a joke anyway.

Posted by: Savonarole | Dec 1 2025 16:16 utc | 91

“Are you even human?” says the fake Muslim, post Soviet rustbelt brownfield loving dembot.
 
Remember when that particular dembot was including in every single post the narrative about Trump being a pedophile Epstein associate, trying to force the meme? Notice how it coincided with the narrative forcing from mass media, and as the Mockingbird mass media wound that campaign down down to failure to gain traction, our dembot did as well. Why? Didn’t our dembot care? “What about the children? Won’t someone please think about the children?!?!” No, the dembot didn’t care and was just working to give the narrative points it had been provided the requisite number of repetitions to force the meme among an audience that might not be as plugged into the mass media as some of the rest of the population. “Narrative points provided by whom?”, the alert reader might wonder. The synchronicity between the dembot’s narrative points and those being given the hard-sell by the Mockingbird mass media should supply such an alert reader with all the clues necessary to figure it out.
 
 
“Are you even human?” 
Strange question coming from a bot.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 16:19 utc | 92

Posted by: canuk | Dec 1 2025 15:11 utc | 73
 
######
 
You’re another one of the Trump/Zionist apologists.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 16:19 utc | 93

Furthermore, since Maduro has already ceded to the US every economic advantage a war could possibly bring, there is no justification for this naval blockade nor the economic blockade that precedes it.  These military actions appear to be a smoke screen for the Israeli genocide…now in progress. 
 
Small war crimes committed to distract from large war crimes; hard to believe but, very effective.

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 1 2025 16:20 utc | 94

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2025 16:19 utc | 96
 
######
 
Let’s say I am a bot.
 
You endorse murder of innocents.
 
I do not.
 
Which of us is more human?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 16:21 utc | 95

The military situation will change in 2026
Russia began series production of the “Oreschnik” in November, and production of the ‘Burevestnik’ is also scheduled to start at the end of the year. (I have not been able to find any data on the “Poseidon”).
While the range of the “Oreschnik” is limited to Europe, the “Burevestnik” can hit all of America and beyond. In addition, all three can be equipped with nuclear warheads.
(I don’t have any data on how many can be built per week, but we can assume that this is being done at full speed).
This means that America no longer has superiority, and therefore no longer has any potential to pose a threat. Trump must therefore establish a relationship with Russia in the future that both countries can live with without war.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 1 2025 16:22 utc | 96

Juan Moment | Dec 1 2025 12:09 utc | 24
 
Americans have always been savages versus the natives but turned the equation around to justify their “noble deeds” for bringing them Christianity. Look at what the Zionists and their Christian Nationalist allies are doing right now. They kill Christians in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, etc., but that’s only bad when it happens in Africa. But the main target of the Outlaw US Empire since WW2 was the same as Hitler–Communists & Socialists–with the toll being at least half the millions killed by Hitler. The “war” in Indochina known as Vietnam was clearly a Genocide, and while that was happening, we did the same in Brazil and Indonesia that paved the way for even more killing. The entire federal apparatus is guilty of war crimes, even the courts. And we must recall that the war within the Empire against the working class that were members of socialist and communist political parties began in 1938 with the House UnAmerican Activities Committee–an entity that still exists within the so-called Justice Department. 
 
For those members of the military manning nuclear weapons, they must question the sanity of their supposed superiors who would be the ones to order their use. Ans as for dealing with the illegal drugs trade, the place to go is Wall Street where the banks launder millions daily where without their collusion such a system can’t exist.  

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2025 16:23 utc | 97

Yes, Hegaeth is a war criminal.  So, is Trump.  That said, does anybody think these two are the first US officials to commit war crimes?  Even in recent history?  We just saw the noble good cop administration aid and abet a genocide!  This is and had been standard operating procedure since at least the first Imperialist war on Iraq.  Abu Graib?  Actually probably as far back as Vietnam.  
Why are we hearing about it now?  Well, let’s think.  A few weeks ago four CIA genocidal Dems put out an unusually prescient video warning of following illegal orders…
Reality, Trump is no different than any imperialist president in the last 100 years, except for one thing: he brags about his crimes, while the rest traditionally wrapped them up tight in a pretty media package called “democracy”.  Oh and he doesn’t want war with Russia enough, so he has a pack of neocons with unlimited funds and connections to make him look like an aberration among a long line of noble Imperialist presidents.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 1 2025 16:26 utc | 98

Posted by: Lysias | Dec 1 2025 16:08 utc | 94
 
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Gruff wrote yesterday that no evidence is necessary.
 
That’s what we’re dealing with.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 16:28 utc | 99

I understand it’s a war crime to murder survivors of ship sinkings at sea. However, there really isn’t much difference between the US murdering ship survivors at sea because they are “narcoterrorists” and drone murdering unarmed people because they too are supposedly terrorists. 
There is no difference between the two. The entire US drone murder program, which under Obama was used to knowingly kill at least one U.S. citizen, is an ongoing war crime. But Congress doesn’t care about that.  
 
Posted by: TimmyB | Dec 1 2025 10:33 utc | 9
 
Bingo.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 1 2025 16:28 utc | 100