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December 9, 2025
Russia’s Economy Is Still ‘Bleeding Out’?

> Russia’s economy is bleeding out. And despite western worries about the Kremlin propaganda offensive in Africa and Asia, it is largely isolated internationally. <

Source: Vladimir Putin’s ship of fools is sinking fast. Will he take everyone down with him? – Simon Tisdall / Guardian, Sep 24, 2022

> Putin’s economic ruination of Russia, though still a work in progress, is matched by plummeting geopolitical influence. <

Source: Putin should have accepted Trump’s deal. Now Russia’s collapsing economy could lead to his downfall – Simon Tisdall / Guardian, Dec 7, 2025

Meanwhile Russia’s GDP continues to rise.

h/t: Brian McDonald

Comments

Yes, and Russia also ran out of everything in ten days and collapsed back in March 2022.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Dec 9 2025 9:13 utc | 1

Looks like their space program is doing fine:
 
https://www.youtube.com/live/oiOsmOTCbFE?si=Y_kLjkZL9bU25Ep0

Posted by: lachaussette | Dec 9 2025 9:16 utc | 2

And they still do not take into account the COUP.
 
Any peace plan to end the war in Ukraine must take into account the COUP.
 
IN 2014 THE UNITED STATES CONDUCTED A COUP IN UKRAINE.
 
In 2014 the United States (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the democratically elected Yanukovich government which was considered insufficiently pro-Europe).
 
Many in Eastern Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government sent in the military to deal with the eastern rebels.
 
The media claimed, and still claims, that the U.S. backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they champion (vigorously support) a march to the Russian border.
 
WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
Imagine that in 2014 Russia (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the Yanukovich government which many considered too pro-Europe).
 
Many in Western Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government called in the Russian military to deal with the western rebels.
 
Of course, to be consistent, the media would have to claim that the Russian backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and that they championed a march of the Russian military to the Polish border.
 
The important point is that statements such as “coup-Ukraine will not give up any of its land,” and “Zelenski Rejects Giving Land” make no sense.
 
This is because the coup-government, and its successors, never established authority over all of Ukraine.
 
WHAT IF THE CHINESE HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
What if the Chinese (aligned with a leftist/communist faction in the Ukrainian government) had conducted a coup in Kiev. Would this give them authority over all of Ukraine?
 
What is the legal situation?
 
A few notes on the 2014 Coup in Ukraine.
 
A few days before the coup the US Under/Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, was taped telling US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, why she wanted Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be the prime minister of the upcoming coup-government, rather than the boxer Vitali Klitschko who was apparently the favorite for the position.
 
The Russians released the tape to the internet. Some thought this would stop the coup going ahead.
 
However, the coup went ahead, Nuland’s order was carried out, and Yatsenyuk got the job of prime minister.
 
Klitschko got the job of mayor of Kiev.
 
Everyone in sight (except possibly Tyahnybok) was a Jew but you are not allowed to call it a Jew coup.
 
You are allowed to call it a Nazi coup though.
 
All this led directly to the 2014 coup-Ukraine vs rebel-Ukraine civil war,
 
which led to the 2022 coup-Ukraine-NATO vs rebel-Ukraine-Russia war.

Posted by: John | Dec 9 2025 9:18 utc | 3

I saw this article in the Guardian and could not believe how absurd it was. It’s like Tisdall did no research and just decided to gaslight readers with a fictional tale. The Guardian is not worth the electrons it sucks up these days, if it is not make-believe stories on Ukraine, its loony left stories about how horrible your life is if you can’t buy a social media trending pair of designer shoes.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 9 2025 9:29 utc | 4

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayastha | Dec 9 2025 9:13 utc | 1
 
Also in 2022 their were reports of reports of Putin suffering multiple illnesses

Following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, according to The New York Times, rumors of Putin being seriously ill became “a subject of lurid speculation, internet video forensics, and potential wartime propaganda, even though U.S. officials say there is no evidence the Russian leader is dying”.[7]
In May 2022, Ukrainian military intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov reported that Vladimir Putin was simultaneously suffering from “several serious illnesses, one of which is cancer”.[8] Christopher Steele also alleged Putin was “dying”.[1]
The New Statesman reported there was “no verifiable evidence that Putin is seriously ill”; Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov denied the allegation; William Burns, the director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency said “as far as we can tell, he’s entirely too healthy”; and Richard Moore, the head of MI6 said there “is no evidence that Putin is suffering from serious illness”.[2][8][9][3]
On 28 May 2022 the Daily Star even speculated that Putin might have already died of blood cancer.[3] The Sunday Mirror published its own story the next day also reporting that Putin may have been dead.[3]
In July 2022, the Toronto Sun and other media outlets reported Putin had lost use of his right arm due to an unexplained medical crisis. The Toronto Sun cited, as evidence of the allegation, that a video showed Putin swatting a mosquito with his left arm instead of his right.[10]
Neurologists have previously noted that several Russian officials such as Anatoly Sidorov and Sergei Ivanov who, like Putin, have specialized training by Soviet-era military and intelligence services and typically make limited use of their right arm, often holding it unnaturally stiff to the side of the torso in what is called gunslinger’s gait.[11] A 2015 study by Dutch physicians published in the British Medical Journal which compared video of the various officials against body movement instructions in a KGB training manual, suggested this was a learned behavioral adaptation to allow quick access to a firearm in response to a sudden threat and probably not a signifier of any medical condition in either Putin or other Russian political leaders.[12]
In December 2022, Solovei announced Putin was being treated with cancer drugs for an unspecified, advanced stage cancer and “the end is already in sight”.[13] Several years prior, in 2017, Solovei suggested that Putin might resign due to ill health.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_of_Vladimir_Putin%27s_incapacity_and_death

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 9 2025 9:39 utc | 5

Russia’s central bank has also been cutting its key interest rate throughout 2025 from a peak of 21%, lowering it to 16.5% by late October.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 9 2025 9:49 utc | 6

Tisdall has been writing shite in the Guardian about Russia for years. On Tuesdays, he had an opinion piece in that rag that was very often solely a rant about Russia. I’m, talking about years ago, before I stopped reading that rag, and I once read it daily, but then it became a CIA/MI6 organ. It was a liberal, daily broadsheet when first started  to reading it in the ’70s. I left the UK for good in 1993, since when I have been living permanently in Russia. I used to make comments from here to the Guardian when it went on line, until one day plagiarist Luke Harding,  Tisdall’s “journalist” colleague at the Guardian, popped up in the comments section and warned other commenters that I was an FSB agent. I guess that Harding, being an “investigative journalist”, had found out my IP address, put 2 and 2 together and got 5. And a Guardian Russophobe commenter once congratulated me on my command of English, even though, he said, I was a Russian. Harding was a piece of work when he was the Guardian correspondent here. 

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 9 2025 9:52 utc | 7

People always point out Russia has high interest rates (16-20%). But what that means is that the debt level, both sovereign or private isn’t that high yet so there’s room to keep interest rate higher.
West having 0-4% interest rates simply means society is so indebted that it can’t handle any higher rates, velocity of money is low and economy is stagnant. Even this war economy shift (in Europe) won’t revive the economy, because it’s funded by removing funding from other parts of state budgets, removing a lot of jobs and wealth transfer to middle class and below (who account for most of consumer spending), given to defense contractors who employ a fraction of people.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 9 2025 9:53 utc | 8

typo
It was a liberal, daily broadsheet when I first started  reading it in the ’70s. 

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 9 2025 9:56 utc | 9

Anyone who reads the Guardian deserves the misinformation they’ll receive. Their former editor Russbridger folded at the slightest pressure from the UK’s security services and betrayed Assange. He then retired, no doubt with a massive pension and still pontificates as if he’s a progressive editor.

  • His truly godawful, pro-Zionist, UK/US supporting cheerleader, Kath Vyner, has surrounded herself with talentless scribes with the talent of used tea-bags. Don’t waste time reading it and definitely don’t waste your income buying it. It neither needs advertising nor the cover price. It receives enough from those who’s interests it continually serves.

Posted by: Vragtes | Dec 9 2025 10:35 utc | 10

Two Hundred Years Together, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 
 
the synagogue of satan is not semite the khazarian crime syndicates the chabad run the shoah the b i s at bern home of the first international zionist congress.everything is planned protocol formulated by the learned elders of zion.
read it and ask yourselves and ask has anything within come to pass.
 

Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University in Israel argues in his book The Invention of the Jewish People, translated into English last year, that most modern Jews do not descend from the ancient Land of Israel but from groups that took on Jewish identities long afterward.

the role of the wondering khazar who self identify as yahoo is population control via goyim murder rape theft and plunder for the survivors enslavement.
 
The Thirteenth Tribe is a 1976 book by Arthur Koestler [1] advocating the Khazar hypothesis of Ashkenazi ancestry, the thesis that Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from the historical Judeans and Israelites of antiquity, but from Khazars, a filthy degraded satanick Turkic people
 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Dec 9 2025 10:40 utc | 11

Simon Tisdall
similar to Rosenberg at the BBC ?
a truth morver?

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 9 2025 11:03 utc | 12

For the American readers there was a story in ZH quoting ISW. (Institute of War).
Ridiculous. Saying Zelinsky in charge, Ukraine Army pushing back the Russians, nobody surrounded, of course with no details. But written so the reader has absolutely no doubt that Ukraine is in a very strong position and quoting ISW to give the story authority.
There are similar biased stories in ABC News Australia.
Obviously censorship is a one way street. 
All these publications started from a more or less neutral position some years ago but have now degraded themselves to support propaganda.
So many journalists are like prostitutes, gone is integrity.
 

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 9 2025 11:04 utc | 13

This drivel is beyond professional incompetence and well into straight lies for propaganda purposes.  Unfortunately across the Irish sea our media follows this nonsense and we are force fed this drip feed of lies, omission and distortions.  For the so-called left media, their analysis has turned farcical and hysterical.  The demonisation of all things Russia and in particular Putin has gotten to obscene and unbelievable levels.  Any attempt at rational conversation is being shouted down and any meaningful debate simply non-existent.  We have a long way to go to get back to the truth, if we can.  

Posted by: Garrett Wyse | Dec 9 2025 11:24 utc | 14

Ed Bernays | Dec 9 2025 10:54 utc | 14
 
Looks like the derailment of the thread is early today.
 
<i>”Solzhenitsyn was a lying worthless nazi just like you.”</i>
Solzhenitsyn on Putin: 
 

Putin inherited a ransacked and bewildered country, with a poor and demoralized people,” Solzhenitsyn told the German magazine Der Spiegel in a 2007 interview, when Putin was still president. “And he started to do what was possible, a slow and gradual restoration. These efforts were not noticed, nor appreciated, immediately. In any case, one is hard-pressed to find examples in history when steps by one country to restore its strength were met favorably by other governments.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 9 2025 11:30 utc | 15

Dont lnow, was reading something the ther day…
 
maybe RF’s  is collapsing /s
 
 
« Vodka output in Russia falls by 5.5% in 11 months, brandy – down 15.9% »
 
https://tass.com/economy/2055239/amp
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 9 2025 11:35 utc | 16

There is but one fool on the ship of fools, and that fool is the Guardian’s Simon Tisdale. 

Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 9 2025 11:49 utc | 17

Posted by: Moses22 | Dec 9 2025 11:49 utc | 20
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There are many others and unfortunately those have more nuisance capacity (Starmer, Macron, Merz, VDL et al).

Posted by: scc | Dec 9 2025 11:50 utc | 18

A friend’s son (ambitious, successful engineer at age 31, EU passport) was musing whether to emigrate to Los Angeles or Moscow. He spent a couple of years visiting both places and  developing contacts etc. Last Summer he choose Moscow as the place with the best future. 

Posted by: exile | Dec 9 2025 11:52 utc | 19

On the subject of Russian economic collapse I ask that you take your eyes off interest rates and step back and look at the country. In the last five years Russia has opened up the Arctic route. They have a food and agriculture import replacement policy that has been impressive. Good quality, good range to select from, and abundance. Russian people eat better now than they did five years ago before the EU shut down exports to Russia.
And Russia has planted more trees than any other country, including China which reclaimed 28,500 square kilometers. Significantly Russia has opened up it’s east. Chinese workers flood across the border everyday and with them Chinese business developers. It is a huge bonanza for Russia. And Siberia oos likewise being developed.
Russia has no real debt. At the start of sanctions they brought gold reserves to back up their trade. And bought it at a very good price.
And there is tourism. Japan,s recent threats to China was a strategic error. Chinese tourist numbers from China down 80%. Russia saw opportunity and gave Chinese tourists visa free entry. Here they come. In their thousands. I have travelled in Russia and can understand how attractive it is as a tourist destination.
And all this despite a war at their western end and countless tranches of sanctions and dirty tricks from the west.
Please listen to our special contributor who explains Russian interest rates in this thread.
And final point is India. Modi had a hard choice to make.. go with America or go with Russia . Hard because to go with America it is all in. “Go out way, or the highway”. Modi decided, Putin visited India and very big deals were inked 
Look at the country and not just the interest rates.

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 9 2025 11:58 utc | 20

It [the Guardian] was a liberal, daily broadsheet when first started to reading it in the ’70s.
 
Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 9 2025 9:52 utc | 6
I’d be curious to know what you thought of it, and why. I strongly disliked it in the 70’s, I thought it was illogical, and often unbelievable. But then I was young and impressionable, believed the regime propaganda, and had a very different political outlook than what I have today. I sometimes wonder what I would have thought of the Guardian in the 70’s if I had the same political outlook and experience that I have today, but of course such a hypothetical viewpoint is out of reach.
 
Now I am inclined to see the faults of the Guardian as being in  essence those of the 70’s, but massively massively increased; realistically I suspect that view is excessively biased by the views I held at the time.

Posted by: BM | Dec 9 2025 12:01 utc | 21

The English “Intelligence” Agencies have a special department of sickos whose job it is to invent atrocity stories to blacken the current enemy, (which they pass on to their toadies in the media).
 
Special favourites are stories which feature women , (especially pregnant women), nuns and children.
 
I expect the Guardian writers just get a template for their propaganda production.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Dec 9 2025 12:06 utc | 22

Russian standardized GDP growth is indeed impressive.
Even in non-stardardized GDP the growth is exponential up to 2014.
This is the fundamental reason European political leaders are so agitated, they fear a giant and rich Eurasian great power so close to their own turf.
Now, If Putin could rise fertility rates of ethnic Russians, that’d make him the most successful stateman of the past few centuries.
He still have time to pull that off. He is now developing incentives for fatherhood, to combine with incentives directed to motherhood.
 

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 9 2025 12:15 utc | 23

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 9 2025 11:04 utc | 16
There are similar biased stories in ABC News Australia.
 

This is good insofar it helps the war to continue to its natural conclusion.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 9 2025 12:19 utc | 24

The Grauaniad? LOL
 
You could not get a more insulated, echo chamber of progressive drivel if you designed one. Oh wait, did someone say
 
MI5/MI6 and GCHQ via DPBAC/Home Office channels?
 

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Dec 9 2025 12:24 utc | 25

 B, can you delete this troll/scammer please? 
 
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 9 2025 10:36 utc | 11

 
Same goes for the troll/spammer at 9:18 utc.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 9 2025 12:36 utc | 26

Simon Tisdallsimilar to Rosenberg at the BBC ?a truth morver?
Posted by: MAKK | Dec 9 2025 11:03 utc | 15
Yes. Equally uncritical and unprincipled. Both Zionist zealots and prepared to publish just what they’re told to. Shills. 

Posted by: Vragtes | Dec 9 2025 12:38 utc | 27

The state of Russia’s economy on its own is irrelevant.
Since Russia is in a war of attrition with the West, what matters who will hit rock-bottom first.
Ukraine ‘s only remaining backer, Europe, has basically conceded that they’ve run out of money, leading to Ukraine ‘s bankruptcy in April 2026. Unless the European countries agree to steal Russia’s money, and get away with it, which would buy Ukraine a maximum of another 18 months.
Leasing to the real question: will Russia’s economy tank before April 2026? If it doesn’t, Ukraine loses. 

Posted by: Marvin | Dec 9 2025 12:43 utc | 28

Most of you sits are so smitten with communism/socialism, you fail to see the very obvious.
Why do I still witness the rise of websites advertising Russian wives and see many young wenches yonder longing for marriage to blokes in the “evil, satanist” West?
The economy in Russia is really that healthy?
Parden me for being on the side of scepticism…

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 12:45 utc | 29

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 9 2025 11:58 utc | 23
Look at the country and not just the interest rates.

 
It is natural to have high interest rates in periods of fast growth over a time horizon of a few years (i.e. inside normal bsuiness cycles). During fast growth, corporations are overexcited to develop expansion projects. With high interest rates, only the most profitable projects (approx. equivalent to lowest risk) get banking system funding.
Unimperator comment #7 is an interesting way to look at it combining growth, interest rates, and existing indebtment. Yes, with low existing indebtment, central banks can increase interest rates to control overexcited corporations.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 9 2025 12:45 utc | 30

You can read Tisdall, but at what Cost? 🤷‍♀️

Posted by: Nobody | Dec 9 2025 12:47 utc | 31

Kiev loses 1,285 troops along engagement line in past day
broad lines
 
”The latest figures show that the Ukrainian army lost roughly 235 troops and five armored combat vehicles in the responsibility area of Russia’s Battlegroup North, over 220 troops, a tank and seven armored combat vehicles in the responsibility area of the Battlegroup West and about 135 troops and six armored combat vehicles in the responsibility area of the Battlegroup South.”
full
 
https://tass.com/politics/2055935
 
fresh marat
 
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-december-8th
 
 
“We observe a classic operational-tactical method of the Russian Armed Forces: driving wedges into several sections of the enemy’s defense, at the junctions of the responsibility zones of neighboring positional districts. Then, depending on the enemy’s reaction, these wedges are divided into sectors and flanking encirclements of these sectors are carried out, followed by the strangulation of everything moving within these half-cups. At the same time, a narrow gap is always left through which the stubborn enemy pumps new “raw material” into the cauldron. This allows the task to be accomplished with a high result in terms of the number of enemy personnel and material destroyed.”
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 9 2025 12:48 utc | 32

(Blasted auto-spelling gone awry!) 

 

Most of you sirs are so smitten with communism/socialism, you fail to see the very obvious.
Why do I still witness the rise of websites advertising Russian wives and see many young wenches yonder longing for marriage to blokes in the “evil, satanist” West?
The economy in Russia is really that healthy?
Pardon me for being on the side of scepticism…
 

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 12:50 utc | 33

No comment.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 9 2025 12:50 utc | 34

Simon who?
From the gurniad!
All the narrative that’s fit to print. 
Their other big campaign is to ban wood stoves. 

Posted by: jpc | Dec 9 2025 12:52 utc | 35

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 12:45 utc | 32
[…]
 

Lol! What a fool. You’ve been scammed in your search for women in the internets by Ukrainian scammers offering you Russian wifes that are in fact Ukrainian drone widows 🤣

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 9 2025 12:54 utc | 36

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 12:45 utc | 32
Yeah, those ‘Russian wives’ are totally not aged-out Ukrainian porn stars and prostitutes.
Honest, it says so on the website, that’s just science.
Go ahead and buy yourself a few, you’ll find out.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 9 2025 12:58 utc | 37

YT @ 32
So you drool over fake pictures of Russian or Ukraine women and visualise them being with you? Do you think this is what your assessment of a country is based on. Sounds like the view of an impotent or in secure man. Sorry for your position sir.

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 9 2025 13:04 utc | 38

A Neocon fever dream
As soon as I see a headline from ‘the telegraph’ or any other U.K. rag, I don’t bother reading it.  They are reliving their glory years of the Crimean War.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Dec 9 2025 13:08 utc | 39

Ah, yes. 
 
And glorious Russia, most powerful member of the [sh*t]brics TAKING FOREVER to crush those wicked globohomo Ukrainians?
 
Good try…
 
Look chaps, I’m not on the side of Uncle Sham nor his multiculti toadies (i.e. nato), but does it not appear a most curious thing that this quagmire is taking such a lengthy time – considering how vastly superior the Ivans are in terms of military prowess?
 
 

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 13:11 utc | 40

I used to be an avid reader of the Independent in the early 90s, when it was still fresh and new-ish. IIRC, the Guardian lowered their newsstand price just to suffocate its competitor.
 
They succeeded. (There were, of course, also dirty tricks by the Murdoch press.) After a lot of noise, the Independent became rather tame. I do think it was the Guardian that was the culprit.
 
Nowadays, they are similarly nauseating. Impossible to read, sober or drunk.

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 9 2025 13:14 utc | 41

Most of you sirs are so smitten with communism/socialism, you fail to see the very obvious.Why do I still witness the rise of websites advertising Russian wives and see many young wenches yonder longing for marriage to blokes in the “evil, satanist” West?The economy in Russia is really that healthy?Pardon me for being on the side of scepticism… 
Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 12:50 utc | 36

 
Russia is communist/socialist? Do tell.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 9 2025 13:15 utc | 42

John Helmer on the Russia-India trade and military agreements.

John Helmer: Putin & Modi DEFY the US, India Laughs At Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE-OpiY2CQg

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 9 2025 13:21 utc | 43

It’s a worryingly effective, and very broad, propaganda campaign. I can’t speak for anywhere else, but here in the UK it encompasses the whole mainstream spectrum, from centre-left (there is no real left-wing mainstream media) to the right-wing news organisations. 

Posted by: Dave G | Dec 9 2025 13:26 utc | 44

Posted by: JulianJ | Dec 9 2025 13:25 utc | 47
Lol! Good one Julian.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 9 2025 13:32 utc | 45

Tisdall is and always had beena clownish amateurish propagandist. He is utterly forgettable, a sycophantic psuedointellectual paid for his lack of integrity and deliberate disregard for objective truth. In a just world, scumbags like him engaged in ‘manufacturing consent’ would face trial, that deceiver of his own people for a few paltry coins.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 9 2025 13:32 utc | 46

Human trafficking is such an essential element of western interest in Ukraine.
ask Hunter Biden.
is anyone really this dumb?
 
“Why do I still witness the rise of websites advertising Russian wives and see many young wenches yonder longing for marriage to blokes in the “evil, satanist” West?”
if your eyes offend thee
 

Posted by: Not Ewe | Dec 9 2025 13:36 utc | 47

Oh yes special mention is reserved for Luke Harding, Tisdale colleague. A more soulless cocksucker and purveyor of propaganda about Russia you will rarely find. Another imbecile and coward who proves if you have no morals you can go far in mainstream Western journalism. ‘What genocide?’

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 9 2025 13:38 utc | 48

Apologies, Mr. Malenkov. 
I meant totalitarian police-state apparatus. 
I may have erred on use of proper terminology.
https://off-guardian.org/2025/01/28/ungrateful-russians-apprehensive-about-budding-biometric-paradise/
 

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 13:40 utc | 49

Also linked to on Andrei Martyanov’s site with the following comment:-
 

On what we in the European public are being told about this war, “b” headlines 2 articles from an English newspaper:-
 
“Russia’s economy is bleeding out. And despite western worries about the Kremlin propaganda offensive in Africa and Asia, it is largely isolated internationally.”
 
Source: “Vladimir Putin’s ship of fools is sinking fast. Will he take everyone down with him?” – Simon Tisdall / Guardian, Sep 24, 2022
 

 
” Putin’s economic ruination of Russia, though still a work in progress, is matched by plummeting geopolitical influence.”
 
Source: “Putin should have accepted Trump’s deal. Now Russia’s collapsing economy could lead to his downfall” – Simon Tisdall / Guardian, Dec 7, 2025
 
……………………….
 
So too from EU sources and from what I pick up in the German press. And from such statements many deduce that the European politicians and military don’t understand the war in Ukraine and are working off false information, both military and economic.
 
I don’t believe a word of it. Our politicians and military know exactly what the position is in Ukraine. American and English personnel, military and Intel, are all over Ukraine. German Intel was very well-informed about the situation in Ukraine after 2014 and there’s no reason to believe they’re not still well-informed, So they’ll be seeing at first hand the military disaster that’s been unfolding in Ukraine over the last three years and they will certainly be aware of it now. Whatever the European politicians tell us in the general public about the war, they themselves will be fully aware that this is a lost war and was always going to be.
 
On the economic front the European politicians will certainly know, from anecdotal and statistical information available to them, that the Russian economy is far from being on its last legs. They will have known after the first few weeks that the sanctions war had not only failed; it has in many respects been beneficial to the Russians in that it has encouraged import substitution and has led the Russians to develop trading relations with other countries more reliable than the trading relations they had before 2022. Again, no matter what the politicians tell us in the general public, directly or through the journalists, they themselves cannot but know the true situation.
 
It’s possible that at the very start of the SMO the Western politicians genuinely hoped that the sanctions war would cripple the Russians and possibly lead to the break-up of the RF. I put together just after that time a collection of statements that indicated they did so hope. But March/April 2022 was the very latest the politicians could have been hoping to defeat Russia in the sanctions war. After that time it was clear even to the most hopeful that that ship had sailed.
 
After that defeat in the sanctions war the military war in Ukraine could never be won. No matter how courageously the Ukrainians fought they were up against impossible odds. The Russians had overwhelming superiority in arms supplies and manpower and the entire rear area of Ukraine lay virtually undefended. How could any war be won when the enemy could attack rear areas at will and there could be no equivalent response? We had condemned our proxies to certain defeat at huge cost to themselves whilst we ourselves could rely on remaining unscathed. Failing victory in the sanctions war the military war was lost from the start.
 
It was therefore apparent from the start that all the talk that poured out of the press and from the politicians was intended only to delude the public. All the talk of the “Battle for Kiev” or this or that Ukrainian “offensive” was theatre. We in the public were presented with an imaginary war in an imaginary country against an imagined enemy. Happy talk to keep the public supporting a war against Russia that was never going to be won. And as the article referred to above by “b” shows, we are still being presented with such nonsense.
 
But the politicians and the journalists themselves could never have believed the nonsense. Nor our military. They cannot but have known the true position.
 
As that true position starts to get through to us in the public we see the politicians searching for alibis. The European alibi is clear enough. “We were well on the road to victory and would have won had Trump not let us down at the last minute.” That accompanied, as we’re already seeing in the English press, by hints that Trump has always been pro-Russian, with further hints that “Russiagate” is waiting to be resurrected.
 
Trump’s alibi, in contrast, being that this was simply a war he’d inherited, that he could have resolved it, but that the Europeans foiled his attempts. But as the blame game of the Western politicians, the war of alibis, runs its course we’re still left wondering what the European politicians hoped to achieve, and still hope to achieve, in pursuing this unwinnable war.
 
They’re not just after saving face as the disaster unfolds. I believe that after the defeat the European politicians hope to take their gullible publics into the new Cold War. It’s only if the European publics get behind that new Cold War with Russia that the European politicians can avoid being held to account.
 
……………………………………………….
 
References.
 
– “b’s” article referred to above.
 
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/12/russias-economy-is-still-bleeding-out.html#comments
 
– Summary of Western hopes at the start of the SMO in a note “The Sanctions War” here:-
 
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/squaring-an-impossible-circle-of-peace-and-insecurity-in-ukraine
 
– Examination of the reach of the Western information war in a conversation between Professor Diesen and Patrik Raab here:-
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qeNJxxktyw&t=3s

 
On the military war there are now many military personnel and military analysts pointing out the war was not winnable in that theatre and with the resources available. Of those many Commodore Jermy, whose field is strategic studies, is now perhaps the best known in England. Plenty of similar warnings from the States, some well before the SMO started, but the first warning I saw in England was from General Lord Roberts early on in 2022 (Times Radio, my transcript.)
 
“”But what we’ve then ended up doing is stoking the (Syrian) war by feeding in weapons and resources and some advice, but never giving our proxies the means of winning it; and I thought at the time that that was morally questionable because it would result in a huge number of deaths; which is exactly what happened.”
 
“We’ve got to be very careful that with our current approach to Ukraine, we don’t end up with the same result.”

Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 9 2025 13:41 utc | 50

@ Doctor Eleven | Dec 9 2025 13:38 utc | 53
 
And who can forget Harding’s spectacular lies in the Assange case, such as his fabulating Assange’s collusion with the Trump presidential campaign in 2016 in the form of a meeting with Paul Manafort at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London? Grauniad still hasn’t issued a retraction for that libelous fiction.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 9 2025 13:48 utc | 51

Posted by: John | Dec 9 2025 9:18 utc | 3
 
Dude. SHUT UP.

Posted by: Caveman | Dec 9 2025 13:49 utc | 52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyfvXAxt-bs
This was interesting. Sanctions can have the same effect on a domestic economy as tariffs or more so. Local talents are developed and new resources created because they can be protected until they become competitve.  It is not naive to think that Russia could emerge more resilient or even more self reliant than before the SMO.  “What does not kill me makes me stronger”.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 9 2025 13:52 utc | 53

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 9 2025 11:30 utc | 18  
 

Putin inherited a ransacked and bewildered country, with a poor and demoralized people,” Solzhenitsyn told the German magazine Der Spiegel in a 2007 interview, when Putin was still president. “And he started to do what was possible, a slow and gradual restoration. These efforts were not noticed, nor appreciated, immediately. In any case, one is hard-pressed to find examples in history when steps by one country to restore its strength were met favorably by other governments.

 
LOL is that your cherry-picked  little broken clock moment from that dead bastard? 
As if that proves something.  
If anything a fascist would indeed love a strong nationalistic leader.
Here’s actual relevant stuff about the scum.  
 
 
And do you really need 3 alts to spout your moronic garbage Kaspar?  
 

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Dec 9 2025 13:57 utc | 54

Used toilet paper is worth more than Western newspapers. 
The white Western judeo-christian propaganda outlets, the so-called legacy media, cannot be trusted. The stench is now out in the open. It has always been a legacy of lies, deceptions, have truths, innuendos, misinformation and disinformation. This is why the alternative media is thriving throughout the world.

Posted by: Al | Dec 9 2025 14:02 utc | 55

Used toilet paper is worth more than Western newspapers. 
The white Western judeo-christian propaganda outlets, the so-called legacy media, cannot be trusted. The stench is now out in the open. It has always been a legacy of lies, deceptions, half truths, innuendos, misinformation and disinformation. This is why the alternative media is thriving throughout the world.

Posted by: Al | Dec 9 2025 14:03 utc | 56

Simon who?
From the gurniad!
All the narrative that’s fit to print. 
Their other big campaign is to ban wood stoves. 

Posted by: jpc | Dec 9 2025 14:05 utc | 57

John Helmer explains what is happening with the Ukraine negotiations. Trump is saying it is Zelensky who doesn’t accept accept anything, and Trump isn’t even following the negotiations. Trump withdraws from anything he can’t present as a win, so he passes the buck to Europeans, as long as they pay him double the money for weapons. But EU are running out of money.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 9 2025 14:11 utc | 58

The question not answered in this thread, amid all the sh*t being thrown at the Guardian here, is: is there another British newspaper which is better? I don’t know of one.
 
Tisdall is an exceptionally bad journalist, very conservative, pro-Atlantic in his views. Not very typical of the Graun.
 
I too find their general political approach unreadable these days, but one shouldn’t only read sources that one agrees with.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 9 2025 14:13 utc | 59

A 3 block away neighbor said to me the other day “my grand children are learning both Chinese and Russian.. People of means are competing with ICE for seats on Airplanes leaving the USA ruled America.” I had not heard this before, anyone have numbers .. 

Posted by: snake | Dec 9 2025 14:17 utc | 60

Can anyone here tell me why Ukraine is so important to the West?  Its been 11 years now since my awareness of our actions in Ukraine, and still no one has been able to say why?

Posted by: Mr. House | Dec 9 2025 14:18 utc | 61

Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 9 2025 13:41 utc | 55
 
But the politicians and the journalists themselves could never have believed the nonsense. Nor our military. They cannot but have known the true position.
 
 

Our politicians really had great hope that the combo of Western sanctions plus heavily subsidized ukrop state and military will win the war for them, thus interrupting the development of Russia, which was the ultimate goal: to interrupt, delay, put obstacles on the development of Russia.
Remember how they called delisting of Russian bank from SWIFT “the nuclear option”? These halfwit politicians that control our nations are that stupid. They truly believed that delisting from an interbank messaging system could bring the economy of a nation down.
People that believe such nonsense in the 1st place could hardly understand what’s really going on even when receiving new info. So I have doubts that at this point in time our clownish and arrogant politicians understand what’s really going on.
Our journalists don’t deserve much attention.
Our military are mostly professionals, except for a few decorative men placed in well remunerated positions,  so they do indeed understand what’s going on. But their role is very insignificant in this war.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 9 2025 14:20 utc | 62

By the looks of things Trump now wants the Neo-Nazi dictator Zelensky out of office – and it won’t much for the US Terrorist State to fix for the little Dictator to be defeated in an election – for that’s what the Yanks do best they regime change.
 
It might be getting close to the time where Zelensky flees Ukraine for warmer climes  – with his billions of stolen US dollars and Euros – he will of course after a while be hunted down and killed for he knows too much – ironically he could flee to Russia, and tell all to Putin – about Nato and the West’s nefarious plans for Russia, there he can rub shoulders with Snowden and Assad and exchange stories – of how the Yanks and their minion allies done them dirty.
 
“US President Donald Trump has urged Ukraine to hold elections, questioning the country’s democratic credentials in an interview with Politico published on Tuesday.
He appeared to issue a new challenge to Vladimir Zelensky, whose presidential term expired in May 2024, but has declined to organize a presidential election, citing martial law.
Zelensky was elected in 2019 and declared in December 2023 that Ukraine would not hold presidential or parliamentary elections while martial law remains in force. It was imposed after the escalation of the conflict with Russia in February 2022 and has since been repeatedly extended by parliament.
Trump told Politico that Kiev should no longer use the ongoing conflict as an excuse to delay a vote.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2025 14:53 utc | 63

Al@62…….taking money from the equation, in an outhouse, they are both priceless………
 
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 9 2025 15:00 utc | 64

Russia will collapse and Jesus gonna be here soon.   Cue the Tom Waits
https://youtu.be/RG2keR6YsUQ?si=SYVvmGwpL9cGlYj9

Posted by: Scottindallas | Dec 9 2025 15:03 utc | 65

English Outsider, the war was lost on interest.  Not financial, but this is existential to Russia, but it’s just a ploy for NATO.   Poor Ukraine gonna get destroyed in the process.   You don’t “play around” with existential matters; this was never going to work.  It just hardened and honed Russia while degrading the West

Posted by: Scottindallas | Dec 9 2025 15:11 utc | 66

based on the world bank data provided, what was the most “prosperous, successful, democratic,” period of post WW2 Russian history?
 
approx. 1990-2000.
 
if you are a Westerner that is. all that death from alcoholism, collapsing population, corruption, etc., etc., was music to Western ears. why not start ISIS-in-Chechnya? 
 
darn. now Lindsay Graham has to make money the old fashioned way: bombing Russia. best money ever spent. i’m sure the CIA is in the middle of it doing the most good. not bombing pipelines, targeting NPPs, or bombing inside Russia itself. they have a long history of not doing such things, of not stealing the life of the world thru nuclear terrorism. 
 
for the Western ruling class, the most prosperous times are when the most people are dying. and that is true everywhere. 
 

Posted by: duck n cover | Dec 9 2025 15:19 utc | 67

Good eye on this nutty old fruitcake, Tisdall.  I’ve been reading his insane headlines (no need to read the articles with this guy) since 2022.  He has to be one of the most twisted liars on the European Imperialist propaganda team.  But it’s always so over the top, I imagine he’s had a very limited impact on anyone with an average IQ in the West.  Kind of a pathetic old coger, really.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2025 15:46 utc | 68

The song remains the same because they have run out of sheet music.
 
It is the end of an era when one side runs out of ammo (narratives).
 
Try to remember, the target audience for this stuff isn’t you. It is the people who are quintuple vaxxed and still wear a mask in public.
 
Tragically, the wealthiest and least tech-savvy cohort in Western societies, who reliably vote in every election.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 9 2025 15:52 utc | 69

The question not answered in this thread, amid all the sh*t being thrown at the Guardian here, is: is there another British newspaper which is better? I don’t know of one.
 
Tisdall is an exceptionally bad journalist, very conservative, pro-Atlantic in his views. Not very typical of the Graun.
 
I too find their general political approach unreadable these days, but one shouldn’t only read sources that one agrees with.
 
Posted by: laguerre | Dec 9 2025 14:13 utc | 65
 
The Guardian was the best thing going before it was taken over by intelligence asset Catherine Viner (Zio time!) just about the time Nato was preparing the neo-nazi coup in Ukraine.  If you read it before and after you’ll know the difference.  At this point, it’s just trying to maintain some left credibility (mainly by loading up on anti male girl power articles and assorted globohomo idpol) while subtly covering for the Israelis and aggressively pushing support for the Nazis in Ukraine.  
Nonetheless, I agree one must at least keep an eye on the Imperialist propaganda outlets like the Guardian.  If you know how to read it, you can get some clues as to where the monsters are moving next.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2025 15:55 utc | 70

The West’s efforts are dismal. IF such bunk was correct, then this meeting and the reports made are 100% propaganda, except they aren’t as they relate to an economic program that no Western nation can hope to emulate, Meeting of the Presidential Council for Strategic Development and National Projects. As with the NSS, the West continues to lie to itself and proves it’s incapable of taking a good hard look at itself and its many faults and shortcomings.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2025 15:58 utc | 71

Most of you sirs are so smitten with communism/socialism, you fail to see the very obvious.Why do I still witness the rise of websites advertising Russian wives and see many young wenches yonder longing for marriage to blokes in the “evil, satanist” West?The economy in Russia is really that healthy?Pardon me for being on the side of scepticism… Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 12:50 utc | 36

 Russia is communist/socialist? Do tell.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 9 2025 13:15 utc | 46
When I proposed to my Muscovite wife in 1997 in a Moscow “Irish Bar” in 1997 by simply saying to her: “Would you like to be my wife?” she at once answered: “Yes”, and then immediately said to me: “but I don’t want to live in England!” whereupon I replied: “Neither do I!”
Twenty-eight years later, we’re still married and still live in Moscow.
It’s sheer hell living here, believe me!
Ask Tisdall and Harding: they’ll give you the lowdown on” Putin’s Mafia State”.

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 9 2025 15:59 utc | 72

Everything of value at the Guardian peaked with the Assange articles on WikiLeaks. 
After that reaction and intelligence took it over and it was nothing but an empty shell to be filled with the political content demanded by M16.  The spirit has long since flown from this paper.  
If you want to see just how far it’s fallen check out the film Peterloo.  Peterloo is a 2018 British film written and directed by Mike Leigh.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2025 16:06 utc | 73

A bit off topic, but I posted a new Venezuela update here

Posted by: Alex Cox | Dec 9 2025 16:23 utc | 74

It’s very simple. Don’t believe one word that emanates from The Empire of Lies (the West). It is all fiction. Propaganda. Evil. They are so psychotic and destructive that Russia will continue to vacuum up territory until it finally has annihilated the Ukranian military. It won’t give one square inch of territory back. They deserve EVERYTHING that Russia dishes out to them. 

Posted by: aelfwed | Dec 9 2025 16:26 utc | 75

When I proposed to my Muscovite wife in 1997 in a Moscow “Irish Bar” in 1997 by simply saying to her: “Would you like to be my wife?” she at once answered: “Yes”, and then immediately said to me: “but I don’t want to live in England!” whereupon I replied: “Neither do I!”
Twenty-eight years later, we’re still married and still live in Moscow.
It’s sheer hell living here, believe me!
Ask Tisdall and Harding: they’ll give you the lowdown on” Putin’s Mafia State”.
Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 9 2025 15:59 utc | 79
A likely story… 
If that’s true, it would suggest you haven’t spent much time in the West since the glory days of 1997.  That might also explain your ridiculous opinions.  
That said, Russia is a Capitalist country.  It has its own billionaires, it exploits a politically disenfranchised labor just like every country in the world.  Nonetheless, it is not Imperialist and the whims of the billionaires are at least checked by a credible state government that considers the impact on the larger population.  I’d say too Russia doesn’t seem to despise it’s wage slaves in the way the Zio Imperialists of the West do.  Not even close.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2025 16:28 utc | 76

The irony here is that the EU and especially Germany is no longer a full democracy.
 
“40 German parliamentarians have officially filed a motion to BAN the ‘Alternative for Germany’ party, claiming (surprise, surprise) that @AfD is ”a threat to democracy”.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2025 16:32 utc | 77

@75
Unfortunately there are millions of Fox News and CNN watching boomers who would take his word as gospel. 

Posted by: Fred777 | Dec 9 2025 16:34 utc | 79

@ Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2025 16:28 utc | 83
 
moscow exile has been around for a long time.. that post was meant to evoke a sense of humour… oh well! 

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2025 16:36 utc | 80

Moscow Exile, 
 
Lucky you, sir.
 
Most of me mates don’t even last two years – most not having the Fortune nor Fortitude to last a span of eight – with their former wives before moving on to a supposedly new and improved “Mrs. No. 2”. 
 
(How many stepdads and stepmoms does a child need to have? – worse, some sort of vicious “karma” seems to be in store as well for the young ones who grow up eventually to have their own horrid set of failed marriages…)
 
These truly are sad times for “Gen X” along with those who are younger.
 
God bless you and your soulmate.
 
(Life seems a constant struggle for the poor and impoverished in Russia – the putin regime is giving me no less the impression of a technocratic potemkin village, mirroring the dictatorship of his pal “winnie the pooh” down south in mainland chyna – apart from alcohol and substance abuse rampant amongst Russian youth, how do the young there actually get by?)

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 16:40 utc | 81

Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2025 16:28 utc | 83
If that’s true, it would suggest you haven’t spent much time in the West since the glory days of 1997.  That might also explain your ridiculous opinions. 
What are the ridiculous opinions of mine  that you maintain I have expressed above in 79.
I have lived in Russia since 1993. In the 32 years of my residence there as a foreign national, I have only made 5 very short visits to my homeland. I also studied in the USSR for 1 academic year 1989 – 1990. Up to 1985, I worked as a coal miner in the Lancashire coalfield.

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 9 2025 16:41 utc | 82

@ Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2025 16:28 utc | 83
 
moscow exile has been around for a long time.. that post was meant to evoke a sense of humour… oh well! 
 
Posted by: james | Dec 9 2025 16:36 utc | 87
 
Thanks, James.  I couldn’t tell!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 9 2025 16:41 utc | 83

” Release the Fly’s” so something can eat up the shit that is referred to as media.

Posted by: ScreamingMonk | Dec 9 2025 16:41 utc | 84

Posted by: Alex Cox | Dec 9 2025 16:23 utc | 81
 
Nice little round up there. Interesting that the press is talking about oil. It seems to be the one resource on everyone’s mind when it comes to Venezuela, and indeed they have quite a bit. In my mind though, the real prize in Venezuela is the lithium reserves. I don’t see them mentioned very often, even here at the bar, but after the Bolivian coup (We will coup anyone we want! – King Elon) failed I think the lithium reserves are the main goal here

Posted by: Caveman | Dec 9 2025 16:46 utc | 85

Can anyone here tell me why Ukraine is so important to the West?  Its been 11 years now since my awareness of our actions in Ukraine, and still no one has been able to say why?
Posted by: Mr. House | Dec 9 2025 14:18 utc | 68
I think Ukraine has different meanings for different Western leaders.
Great Britain’s leaders are sore losers. They still remember their defeat in the Crimean wars. And are still trying to win that war.
The US wanted a port in the Black Sea. An extraterritorial port, so that they are no longer bound by the Montreux Convention that says that their beautiful warships may not spend more than 6 weeks in the Black Sea. And that Turkey may deny them passage. They could not convince Turkey to hand over Istanbul, they failed to get Sevastopol. They actually built a port on the coast between Crimea and Odessa. It was just about finished when the Russians started the SMO. That port was among the first casualties of the SMO. And at least one reason for starting it at that point in time.
Russia had told the US that they would not tolerate NATO rockets there, at their border. The US thought they could ignore Russian demands. And, once there, they would have backed up Ukraine in its war on Donbass. And sooner or later used those rockets against the Donbass. And the planes from their aircraft carriers moored in their new port, too. 
Ursula von der Leyen is personally insulted that Great Britain has left the EU. She wants to be remembered as Ursula the Great who made EU larger than ever before. Not smaller. Even if Great Britain should rejoin, she needs Ukraine for her ego. That goes for other members of her administration as well. Like Kaja Kallas who seems to be an even dumber version of Annalena 360 Baerbock. 
And then there is the matter of natural resources. The EU has depleted theirs. And realized that using the resources at their disposal is a dirty business. The EU is going for Green energy and renewables. Which doesn’t work out very well. Which is why Germany is closing its last steel mills, the entire EU is deindustrializing. Enter Ukraine – and especially Donbass. Donbass has coal mines. They produce steel. They have shale gas just waiting to be exploited. The EU considered them their new industrial heartland. Let Ukrainians do the dirty work, and send the fruit of their labor to the clean and beautiful West Europe. Including the gas, our own very natural gas. 

Posted by: Martina | Dec 9 2025 16:53 utc | 86

@ YT | Dec 9 2025 16:40 utc | 88
 
Well, as someone who demonstrated earlier:

  • keeps a browsing history of dubious websites
  • said browsing history has been scraped by bots, to ascertain his “interests”
  • said bots serve up adverts aligned to his “interests
  • can’t configure a web browser to filter out adverts

Why would anyone here take your opinion seriously?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 9 2025 16:54 utc | 87

Moscow Exile | Dec 9 2025 15:59 utc | 79
 
How hard is for you to provide feedback to the government on the state of the national projects? 

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2025 16:56 utc | 88

It’s pretty obvious that Tisdall is an idiot. But rejecting his preposterous version doesn’t mean accepting GDP and hard money and low official debt burden are reliable indicators of success. The longer Russia devotes more and more of its investment into arms, the worse for Russia. If arms spending made a country rich, then the US is guaranteed to grow just as much as Trump boasts, not least because he is increasing arms spending. I still believe that economic collapse doesn’t end wars, losing wars causes economic collapse. So the entire US strategy was insane from the start, except that economic warfare is not truly aimed at the leaders, the state itself: Siege warfare—-which is what economic warfare is—-is aimed at the population. 
 
I think the story is that after Burgoyne surrendered an English army at Saratoga, Adam Smith observed that there is a lot of ruin in a nation (implying England could fight on against the American revolution, as it did.) It’s true. It is far too soon to understand the long term effects of the war on Russia against Russia. Even more, those effects depend very much on who wins. That’s not clear yet. Ukraine has no path to victory but what is Russia’s path to peace?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 9 2025 16:56 utc | 89

Caveman, 
 
“winnie the pooh” either has the donald as hostage for chyna having the most “rare earths” across this earthly terran or he had best prepare for worst-to-come.
 
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-how-rare-earths-power-u-s-defense/
 
Something tells me that Uncle Sham is desperate for those very key vitals essential for its military-industrial complex.
 
(Can chyna – not having military expedition since the campaign of Viet Nam in ’79 have the slightest chance of beating that zio-machine?) 

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 17:01 utc | 90

One EU official said they were supposed to go to Brazil to negotiate on buying production output from a rear earth mine, until they heard US had bought the mine before they could.
Well, they would have need to done multi-year environmental evaluations and responsible/slave free production evaluations first. Who wants buyers like that when cash is readily available from another source.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 9 2025 17:03 utc | 91

This website (in Russian) gives snapshots of economic developments across many sectors, agriculture, energy, manufacturing, transport, civil engineering, medical services etc,etc: https://sdelanounas.ru/
 
Sometimes just looking at the images says more than thousands of words of Western bloviation.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 9 2025 17:04 utc | 92

@96
 
Arms spending is wasteful, and always takes from expanding the economy.
 
Except!  War spending is productive when used to prevent U$$A from sundering your country.

Posted by: pad. | Dec 9 2025 17:08 utc | 93

Jeremy @94,
 
Your fellow chaps online rant continuously ’bout the guardian being no more than a rag for the wicked moguls.
 
But you seem bent in belief I can’t read ‘ tween the lines.
 
https://off-guardian.org/
 
What, the [sh*t]brics have not their own propaganda equivalents for the gullible?
 
 
Or perhaps you have so much “self-hate” for your own fellows in the Occident that you need to place your trust and faith in murderers and despots? 
 
(You are the very company that you keep: a former kgb bloke that is all chummy with a north korean fatso that killed his own half-brother in a foreign airport says it all.)
 
Perhaps this is all futile, I find myself constantly casting pearls before swine – be it corresponding with those on the ‘left’ or those on the ‘right’… 
 
(Have none of you read about hegelian dialectic or false dichotomies?)
 
http://newamerica-now.blogspot.com/2013/09/has-america-been-set-up-as-historys.html
 
https://redefininggod.com/the-rockefeller-plan-for-the-brics-new-world-order-in-their-own-words

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 17:15 utc | 94

Perfidious Albion should remove its old leaky loch poisoning nuclear subs from Scotland and station them on the river Thames where they belong.
 
“The UK is no longer capable of running a nuclear submarine program after years of mismanagement, retired Rear Admiral Philip Mathias has said.
The former director of nuclear policy at the Ministry of Defense sharply criticized the state of Britain’s submarine fleet in an article published by The Telegraph on Saturday.
He argued that repeated delays in delivering new vessels, combined with long patrols, have resulted in a “shockingly low availability” of submarines to address the threats facing the country, while budget cuts and a “huge failure” in managing key personnel have exacerbated the problem.
“The UK is no longer capable of managing a nuclear submarine program,” Mathias stated. “Performance across all aspects of the program continues to get worse in every dimension. This is an unprecedented situation in the nuclear submarine age. It is a catastrophic failure of succession and leadership planning,” he wrote.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 9 2025 17:18 utc | 95

Posted by: pad. | Dec 9 2025 17:08 utc | 100  I agree that war spending can be a true necessity. I don’t agree with what seems to be the majority view, that Russia has found the key to a boom economy that will go onward and upward forever. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 9 2025 17:19 utc | 96

@ YT | Dec 9 2025 17:15 utc | 101
 
Oh gawd, now we get cod psycho-analysis from a self-admitted online pervert.
 
As for this:

casting pearls before swine

Do let me know when you actually find a real pearl, rather than the valueless, colourless potch you’ve served up so far.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 9 2025 17:21 utc | 97

Steven Johnson @ 103,
 
russia and chyna can’t even solve population troubles, what chance have they of economic success if their youths have difficulty marrying or having new-borns?
 
Demographics is destiny and not only does the West suffer, but even these bric countries are equally so.

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 17:25 utc | 98

jeremy @ 104,
 
Ha. 
 
I’ve met tons of fools from both West and East telling me all about the “wonders” of “socialism”, esp. under these lauded sh*tbrics.
 
But the mere fact that I meet youths from russia and chyna flooding for other more established countries (esp. capitalist nations like singapore, malaysia, etc.) says plenty.
 
People vote with their feet and not with totalitarian ideology to feed their stomach. 
 
I reckon you are but another delusional “keyboard warrior” working tirelessly round-the-clock on behalf of the mindless ‘left’ – living in some enclave of the well-established Occident and enjoying all its comforts – who never once tasted intense misery or suffering in any of said sh*tbrics.
 
I pity your “self-hate”, seriously. 

Posted by: YT | Dec 9 2025 17:35 utc | 99

Back in 2015 the Guardian opened up its New Eastern Network, a collection of writers intended to “expand coverage” on Russia and Eastern Europe .
Many of the writers at the NEN came from UK Right wing think tanks aligned to the US and NATO that were actively promoting Syrian, Russian and Iranian regime change. It included Douglas Murray and Michael Gove from the Henry Jackson Society, and Jeffrey Gedman, Anne Applebaum and Peter Pomerantz from the CIA backed Legatum Institute.
The Atlantacist ties ran very deep (Jeffrey Gedmin, for example, served for four years as President and CEO of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty). These groups promoted propaganda themes that infested our MSM: starvation of civilian populations by Assad, ‘weaponized propaganda’ from Russia, the Russian military ‘invasion’ of Ukraine, Islam as the enemy of democracy.
Legatum, for example, had a high level of UK political backing:
“A few months later [mid 2014] Weiss, with Legatum fellow Peter Pomerantsev, published a think-tank report on Russian media. To publicize it, they appeared at a Legatum event in London alongside Applebaum, US ambassador to Kiev Geoff Pyatt and John Herbst of the Atlantic Council. Their own website admitted that the evening was ‘hosted in cooperation with the US Department of State and the US Embassy in London’. Later Weiss spoke alongside Janis Karklins, Director of the Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence of NATO, on a Legatum podcast.”

It seems that when the Guardian talks about “expanding coverage”, what they mean is broadcasting the views of billionaire oligarchs, ex-CIA analysts, the European Union or some delightful mix of all three.
Those of you who have been regular readers of the Guardian since before they broke the “Snowden files” will no doubt notice a volte-face with regards to government interference with journalism. One wonders if the NEN being set up so soon after the Guardian came under such pressure from GCHQ that they voluntarily destroyed their own computers could really be a coincidence. In the space of two years the Guardian has gone from broadcasting the illegal actions of the US/UK governments, to re-printing CIA and State Department press releases. There’s a name for that, and it’s not “expanding coverage”.

I think the piece was by Kit Klarenberg:   New East Network

Posted by: damien | Dec 9 2025 17:36 utc | 100