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Russia is in trouble now!
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/580673/defence-force-dusting-off-the-history-books-to-copy-recruitment-strategies-from-1930s
ominous
The head of Defence says the country needs to be able to add five-fold or even 10-fold to its armed forces and quickly.The
A scrutiny week committee at Parliament heard the Defence Force (NZDF) was aiming short term to about double its recruiting capacity to 1500 a year.
Air Marshal Tony Davies said it was also “dusting off the history books” to see what was done in 1938 to quickly boost the ranks.
“We need to be prepared to raise that number significantly higher than that as the situations dictate just as our forbears did around each world war or each major conflict,” he told MPs.
“We need to be able to raise that two-fold, five-fold, 10-fold in a very short space of time.”
However, in the last financial year the forces only recruited 700 personnel against a target of 800.
They had however had cut the average time it took to recruit a person from 300 days to under 200, and were aiming for just 90 days a year from now, head of people Jacinda Funnell said.
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Posted by: tucenz | Dec 3 2025 18:50 utc | 1
1500 troops.
That’s +1 day for Ukraine’s survival. LOL
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 3 2025 18:54 utc | 2
Posted by: tucenz | Dec 3 2025 18:50 utc | 1
Don’t believe everything you read, and you should also consider the source. Sounds like pure projection to me.
Posted by: Maverick | Dec 3 2025 19:13 utc | 3
Towards the end of some lively exchanges in the “Pre-emptive NATO” I posted the following comment, which didn’t garner any comment, for or against. Reposting here because I am genuinely interested in responses:
In its drive for ever-more lean and mean efficiency, the West has centralised itself into single points of vulnerability.
Discuss…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 19:17 utc | 4
Posted by: Maverick | Dec 3 2025 19:13 utc | 3
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It is commensurate with what I know about NZ and other UK colonies.
I wrote here at least a year ago that the Empire was trying to recruit in the colonies aggressively, mostly brown people, but in NZ, I expect the targets to be Maori and Islanders (Fiji, Tonga, Samoa).
The West has known for a long time that it doesn’t have the cannon fodder for a protracted conflict.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 3 2025 19:23 utc | 5
Towards the end of some lively exchanges in the “Pre-emptive NATO” I posted the following comment, which didn’t garner any comment, for or against. Reposting here because I am genuinely interested in responses:
In its drive for ever-more lean and mean efficiency, the West has centralised itself into single points of vulnerability.
Discuss…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 19:17 utc | 4
The west defines efficiency incorrectly. I’d say yes. Yes they have centralized into single points of vulnerability.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Dec 3 2025 19:24 utc | 6
“Romans 1 : 14 I am debtor both to the Greeks and to the barbarians, both to the wise and to the unwise;”
“A nation may be an Empire; a nation can be a debtor-but it can’t be both.”
I’ve heard that geopolitical saying before but I can’t find any attribution, it’s not mine.
Posted by: canuk | Dec 3 2025 19:27 utc | 7
In response to
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In its drive for ever-more lean and mean efficiency, the West has centralised itself into single points of vulnerability.
Discuss…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 19:17 utc | 4
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The single point of failure is the profit motive being welded onto all forms of social interaction turning the world into a Company town.
Humanity creates and supports governments to provide services collectively like water supply and sewage treatment as core examples…..its called mixed economies.
I know water is privatized in many places but I am used to it being a service provided by local governments.
In the West, the public has been brainwashed into believing that everything is better under the profit motive but we all know that is a big lie and is the vulnerability that will sink the economies in relation to the RoW where nations try and emulate the China approach to support a viable mixed economy.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2025 19:31 utc | 8
The west defines efficiency incorrectly
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Dec 3 2025 19:24 utc | 6
Absolutely.
Perhaps getting whimsical, but I often look at trees as an example of natural efficiency. Rather than growing one huge leaf (which could be seen as an equivalent to centralisation), vulnerable to munching by caterpillars, they grow lots of small leaves, so the loss of some small leaves to caterpillar munching is not fatal to the whole enterprise of the organism.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 19:37 utc | 9
Wang Yi in Moscow: Results of the Strategy Meeting between China and Russia
Wang Yi in Moscow: Results of the Strategy Meeting between China and
China and Russia will counter “all attempts to revive fascism” and jointly oppose Japanese militarism. Russian-Chinese cooperation serves the development of a multipolar world order and global security
Following a meeting between Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and Russian Chief Security Advisor Sergei Shoigu in Moscow on Tuesday, the Chinese government announced that China and Russia had reached a “high degree” of strategic agreement on how to deal with Japan. Both China and Russia rejected a revival of “Japanese militarism.”
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi (right) and Russian Chief Security Advisor Sergei Shoigu at the bilateral strategic security consultation meeting in Moscow on December 2, 2025 Amid growing tensions between China and Japan, the Russian-Chinese statements following their bilateral meeting in Moscow indicated continued solidarity between the two former World War II allies, the China Morning Post commented in its report on Wednesday. The newspaper quoted from the Chinese Foreign Ministry’s statement on the meeting:
continue reading (use translator) https://de.rt.com/asien/263719-wang-yi-in-moskau-ergebnisse/
Posted by: smartfox | Dec 3 2025 19:38 utc | 10
A multipolar world order is fundamentally incompatible with world peace, because war is the supreme arbiter in the struggle between capitalist countries to divide the world market. A peace world capitalism is a utopia.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 3 2025 19:48 utc | 11
@ psychohistorian | Dec 3 2025 19:31 utc | 8
My thought was prompted by some lively discussion in the earlier thread about how much weaponry Russia would need to use to cripple the Western European nations.
My view is “not as much as one may first think”; the pursuit of a flawed Western definition of “efficiency” has led to more concentration of control nodes and less redundancy. The particular example I wrote about in that thread is the signalling control centres on two parts of the rail network here in Britain. Once upon a time, there were signal boxes every few miles along rail routes, so any disruption or failure could be worked around fairly locally. But now, “in the interests of efficiency”, we have two signalling control centres covering hundreds of route-miles of intensively used railway.
So what happens if those signalling centres go off-line? Whether by internal system failure or external adversarial actions? [rhetorical]
The hidden costs of “efficiency” suddenly make themselves known.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 19:50 utc | 12
STJ #11: not sure if it’s a function of unipolar or multipolar; peace is generally terrible for unearned profits and therefore capitalism.
In fact, a unipolar “peace of the sword” would be a terrible world for all the goons and gouls who live off of death and chaos.
Posted by: Caliman | Dec 3 2025 20:09 utc | 13
@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 19:50 utc | 12 with their example of the profit motive at work
The motive to have profit is some areas of social organization is wrong, IMO, and transportation is one of them. It is not that you can’t have some private part but not the architecture and “rules of the road” sort of decisions and support. In the US, we can’t have the train systems like in China because the profit/control of that railroad industry exerts dominance over our government…..and tons more examples….health care comes to mind…..profit motive is the vulnerability the West faces and is causing its Ouroboros direction.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2025 20:15 utc | 14
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 19:50 utc | 12
Just rare earths, magnets and other things sourced from one supplier is showing massive vulnerability.
Posted by: arby | Dec 3 2025 20:17 utc | 15
Maverick @ 3:
I’m sure Tucenz was being sarcastic in picking on a New Zealand source and the New Zealand defence forces.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Dec 3 2025 20:18 utc | 16
Well, there may be single points of vulnerability, but it’s the single points of failure that really matter in any complex system. In simple terms, they may mean the same bloody thing. And if I understand you correctly, you are implying that neither single points are no longer being identified and called out, because the system of checks and balances is broken beyond repair; because the checks and balances have become as bogged down, softened out and outright corrupted as the powers they are supposed to control. Thus there is not much to add because you said all there is to say 🙂
Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 3 2025 19:21 utc | 572
Pulled this across from the earlier topic.
I could have probably defined it better as single points of vulnerability to failure , or attack, as the theme of the comments over there was pursuing.
But yes, the “checks and balances” themselves become corrupted or disempowered, because the pursuit of efficiency (in the narrowly-defined meaning) is seen as “A good thing”. What once was part of immune defence against disease, metastasised.
The points of vulnerability/failure are no longer identified because that would dislocate the whole process.
Money spent on resilient/redundant systems is not available for disbursement to quarterly bonuses and dividends.
TINA ; “There Is No Alternative ”.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 20:18 utc | 17
Posted by: arby | Dec 3 2025 20:17 utc | 15
Actually got me to think about the Centrally Planned Economy. China has planned in advance for all kinds of things and it is paying off big time now.
Posted by: arby | Dec 3 2025 20:19 utc | 18
@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang #4
What is there to discuss? It is patently obvious that “efficiency” was nothing more than a code word for “pork barrel” – since Western military industry can neither compete technologically or quantitatively against Russian or Chinese (or Houthi) production.
Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2025 20:32 utc | 19
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 19:37 utc | 9
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Not unlike having 2 eyes, 2 ears, 2 kidneys, etc.
Redundancy is key to survival. Efficiency tends to view redundancy as misallocation of resources, which can be “downsized” to create a short-term perception of increased profits.
Much of Western “thinking” is high time preference oriented. The East, generally, favors having a low time preference, and I believe this plays out in how those societies have developed.
Without a conception of the future or an instinct about the past (as in much of the West), who cares about tomorrow?
Such is secular materialism.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 3 2025 20:32 utc | 20
@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang #12
Unless those old boxes were literally ripped out, there is still a framework upon which service could be at least partially restored.
And given the lack of investment in all Western infrastructure – it would not surprise me that any new “central” nodes are just half-assed structures built upon the same old infrastructure.
Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2025 20:35 utc | 21
The motive to have profit is some areas of social organization is wrong, IMO, and transportation is one of them.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2025 20:15 utc | 14
100% agree, and the same with health care (among others, I would add education, at least up to age 16 or 18) as you point out.
What I’m trying to develop though, is the idea that the Western pursuit of ”efficiency” has led to nodes of centralisation that are vulnerable to failure or attack, especially attack as this was the focus of earlier discussions.
Some folks were positing that Russia would either need hundreds of megatonnage of nukes, or uncountable numbers of conventional hypersonics, to disable Western Europe infrastructurally. I don’t agree with this outlook, the centralisation of critical control nodes driven by the pursuit of “profitable efficiency” leaves Western Europe much more vulnerable than the pundits (or trolls for that matter) even realise.
All typed with as neutral a mindset as possible; part of me would love to see arrogant European presumptions taken down, another part of me recognises that this would be a widely discomforting experience.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 20:36 utc | 22
Unless those old boxes were literally ripped out
Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2025 20:35 utc | 21
Many of them were ripped out, sometimes within 24 hours of the new, centralised system being commissioned. Many of them were fairly insubstantial timber structures anyway, plus there was a modest amount of scrap value available from the cast-iron interlocking frame, and copper wiring in the electro-mechanical block instruments and relays. Some boxes were rather more carefully dismantled and made their way onto the burgeoning voluntary rail preservation sites.
The block instruments now have a niche antique value, depending on the originating railway company.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 20:47 utc | 23
What would we be, my heart, a mass without a quarry? Nothing. Without our ancestors, without our fathers and mothers, we wouldn’t exist. That we can invent a better future, a future of greater justice and happiness, is beyond doubt. Whether we will, I doubt. Human beings are, fundamentally, animals. And I say this with all due respect to animals, who, after all, lack self-awareness. But we, beings endowed with the privilege of being individuals, gifted from birth with the capacity to discern between what is appropriate and what harms others. Human beings, endowed with the understanding of the difference between good and evil, have decided that lies, dishonesty, deceit, and the absence of truth and facts are better than being honest. Until humanity recognizes that it’s a complete and utter bastard, there’s nothing to be done. Human beings must acknowledge their problems, without fail, and then they can maintain proper, just relationships with each other and with our environment. Those little things: fungi, plants, animals, humans, souls, spirits. Human beings think they are the pinnacle of creation and don’t realize they are like a child trying to figure out the reason for the things around them. I don’t believe in religious history, but I do believe it’s possible to transform a human being into something better. If it weren’t the case that human beings can be better than they are, I would die. We have nothing but ourselves, human beings. I promise you, I’m not going to give up on my life because it’s the only thing I have.
Posted by: John | Dec 3 2025 20:51 utc | 24
Nima: Some very provocative thoughts here – Europe to stage False Flag in 2026 to instigate war against Russian Federation ????? And I’m thinking of Putin presser yesterday.
Martin Armstrong: Where Is America Headed Under Trump? [35 mins
Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 3 2025 20:57 utc | 25
Perhaps getting whimsical, but I often look at trees as an example of natural efficiency. Rather than growing one huge leaf (which could be seen as an equivalent to centralisation), vulnerable to munching by caterpillars, they grow lots of small leaves, so the loss of some small leaves to caterpillar munching is not fatal to the whole enterprise of the organism.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 19:37 utc | 9
Unfortunately, the big-government socialist types have antipathy towards decentralized governments. They know that decentralized governments means governments competing with each other (i.e., lower taxes, regulations, etc.) and this is intolerable for the socialists. They must impose minimum tax and regulatory schemes on the rest of the world (e.g., Paris Climate Accords, Janet Yellen advocating for global minimum tax) or build walls to keep people/capital from leaving. They fear the decentralized governments that would lay bare their corruption and reveal that the government that governs best governs least.
If I’m wrong about small government, that would also become apparent very quickly. But which of the small-government or big-government types fear decentralization? That’s a hint.
It’s also related to the USD imperial regime. If even one country goes to a sound money standard, it would destroy the value of all other currencies (unless those countries build walls to keep people/capital inside). This is what happened to Qaddafi. You want the US military to come knocking, start talking about introducing sound money.
Any serious defender of liberty should advocate for decentralized (i.e., non-monopoly) government and sound money. Only an authoritarian collectivist could object. (But they’ll give you very sophisticated-sounding reasons to mask their true intent, like the Sun of Alabama nonsense.)
Posted by: HB Brian | Dec 3 2025 21:08 utc | 26
Posted by: Caliman | Dec 3 2025 20:09 utc | 13 I don’t think a single nation dominating the world could possibly make capitalism stable. Even when overall world economy did mak advances they would be unevenly distributed, revising the world order and ultimately leading to more struggles. The normal operations of capitalism include crisis and crisis leads to conflict. Also, capitalism does not depend on cheating somebody, it relies on fair trade, where commodities in the long run tend to exchange at their socially necessary abstract labor time, their value. Capitalism relies on surplus value extracted in production, then redistributed by trade. That’s why we still have imperialism even after almost all colonies have been formally set free. And it’s why Switzerland and Sweden and Saudi Arabia are imperialist, even though they’ve never had colonies. (The reasons I do not think PRC is imperialist are irrelevant here in my view.) Imagining the end of imperialism if US financial hegemony is demolished is like imagining you can abolish American capitalism by breaking up Goldman Sachs.
Also, I don’t think a single nation in a decaying world capitalist system can generate a nation with the productive base that can carry out any such world conquest, just one that can find the road to Armageddon.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 3 2025 21:08 utc | 27
Brazil just introduced a wealth tax on very rich people, bucking the near-global dominant neo liberal trend
I can’t see this as popular in Washington or Wall St. Bolsanaro is in jail for a long time – also not popular in Washington
What reaction might ensue? We saw an example of destabilisation recently in Mexico – vociferous protestors, the leaders taking selfies doing Nazi salutes in a government office. Sheinbaum has a high approval rating, numbers Trump can only dream about. We are about to find out how resilient the Brazilian polity actually is
Posted by: will moon | Dec 3 2025 21:18 utc | 28
Seaborne importation of illegal narcotics into the US is down 91% since the air strikes on the cartel naval vessels began.
Illegal border crossing of illegal aliens into the US are down 99% since the border crackdown started on Jan 20th.
That is very impressive indeed, especially since the senile and corrupt Joey Boy Biden opened the borders and allowed 20 million alien scum buckets plus cartel soldiers, drug mules, drug dealers, rapists, in the insane, murderers, burglars, car thieves, ODC’s and hi jackers into the nation.
And you wonder why Somalia now resides in Minnesota?
Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 3 2025 21:21 utc | 29
Brazil just introduced a wealth tax on very rich people, bucking the near-global dominant neo liberal trend
Posted by: will moon | Dec 3 2025 21:18 utc | 28
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This is all populism. Personal wealth taxes don’t pay for government. Governments run on sovereign debt issuance and corporate/business taxes.
No government has ever taxed itself to prosperity because taxes undermine wealth accumulation.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 3 2025 21:24 utc | 30
Unfortunately, the big-government socialist types
Posted by: HB Brian | Dec 3 2025 21:08 utc | 26
Well, to a degree, but to me it doesn’t appear that ‘big government’ is exclusively a socialist phenomenon, it seems to be a ‘big governmentist’ phenomenon. “Big governmentists” aren’t necessarily socialist, indeed those hereabouts more knowledgeable than me on the nuances of socialism could could probably expound (at voluble length in some cases) about this topic.
But ‘big government’ generally, yes can be a problem especially if it pursues efficiency at the expense of resilience, which doesn’t strike me as a particularly ‘socialist’ approach.
But your comments about monetary matters, and the quixotic posts from @Cloud-Cuckoo Alabama are on point.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 21:27 utc | 31
Europe is kidding itself going against Russia! They need Months to move Brigades around! In case of Conflict, Russia can destroy Ramstein AB and some Brass Bunkers and its over. The Headless NATO Chicken will flap & run a bit, fall over and Die. The End! FD: No One will be sad about it…
Posted by: Nobody | Dec 3 2025 21:41 utc | 32
Some satire
Is Zohran Mamdani the New Charles Manson?
https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/is-zohran-mamdani-the-new-charles
Posted by: Dogon priest | Dec 3 2025 21:46 utc | 33
In Germany alone, 11000 Road / 1100 Train Bridges are in disrepair! Good Luck going Eastward NATO! 😂😂😂😂
Posted by: Nobody | Dec 3 2025 21:48 utc | 34
Any serious defender of liberty should advocate for decentralized (i.e., non-monopoly) government and sound money. Only an authoritarian collectivist could object. (But they’ll give you very sophisticated-sounding reasons to mask their true intent, like the Sun of Alabama nonsense.)
Posted by: HB Brian | Dec 3 2025 21:08
Right ok, I’ve got it. As a serious defender of liberty I will henceforth advocate for decentralised government and sound money – thanks for the tip.
I been worried about liberty for quite a while and unsound money just don’t sound right, so it’s no problem for me to talk about introducing sound m – hang on I’ll be back in a minute, someone’s knocking on my door….
“You want the US military to come knocking, start talking about introducing sound money”
HB Brian
Posted by: will moon | Dec 3 2025 21:50 utc | 35
11 steventjohnson. “A multipolar world order is fundamentally incompatible with world peace, because war is the supreme arbiter in the struggle between capitalist countries to divide the world market.”
Agree.
“This is all populism. ”
LoveDonbass
Not sure what this , I will give this some time to unfold
We live in a world of symbols – monkey see, monkey do.
Posted by: will moon | Dec 3 2025 21:56 utc | 38
One more go: after the destruction of Nord Stream 2 I saw some commentary that “Russia should destroy the Channel Tunnel as a response”.
Nope, no need to destroy the tunnel itself, just hit the control rooms at Fréthun and Cheriton and all we have left are three 30+km holes in the ground with no power supply, no signalling, no lighting and no ventilation. 2 missiles, that is all it takes.
Economy of force… (bitchezz)…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 22:23 utc | 39
Posted by: tucenz | Dec 3 2025 18:50 utc | 1
The article was about New Zealand’s Defence Force, not Russia’s.
Posted by: Jim Conroy | Dec 3 2025 22:52 utc | 40
Posted by: Maverick | Dec 3 2025 19:13 utc | 3
Same: The article refers to New Zealand, not Russia.
Posted by: Jim Conroy | Dec 3 2025 22:54 utc | 41
Economy of force – exactly.
Which brings us back to Putin’s phrase “there would be nobody left to negotiate with”.
To achieve that would simply need the armed forces to be rendered ineffective – no EW radar/air defence, airfields and ports disabled, no command centres, top brass seriously depleted as well as a good chunk of the political class ‘removed from service’. Most infrastructure and economy could be left intact, no need to nuke the whole country.
Unable to defend itself (we have basically no strategic depth) and but a few statesman left to accept the surrender and pledge future neutrality, we could perhaps rebuild something better.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 3 2025 23:22 utc | 42
@ 36 “That Bridge collapsed in Autum 2024!!!”
LOL In America. The Francis Scott Key Bridge in the middle of a large city was hit and knocked down by a Container Ship in March 2024. Now over a year later they are still Testing, Texting, and making a plan. While completion time gets pushed years out and costs go up and up. Estimated cost 4 – 5 billion U$ Dollars. Open-to-traffic date in late 2030? Maybe.
https://keybridgerebuild.com/
Then we have China. Who built, and recently opened, the Highest Bridge in the world. An engineering marvel spanning a massive gorge, Located in a very rural area. That Big Beautiful Bridge only took about 3 and 1/2 years to build. Cost under 1/2 Billion USD. China is leaving the West behind flailing in the mud.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/tallest-bridge-in-the-world
Posted by: golddigger | Dec 3 2025 23:31 utc | 43
The Duran: Ep 2401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbuC37FO754
“Venezuela geopolitical play and Trump political damage.”
RB: Col Douglas Macregor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ11eEyZA9Y
“US poised to attack Venezuela.”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 3 2025 23:45 utc | 44
The “peace plan”
constructive and very useful.
Ushakov said that uh that they did not discuss the the details of these
27 points and uh and the documents. They didn’t get into into the details of of
3:21
the the plan. But what was discussed according to Ushakov was the the essence
So now we have not only nuances
we have
Essences
Posted by: arby | Dec 3 2025 23:50 utc | 45
The Duran: (corrected)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbuC37FO7S4
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 3 2025 23:59 utc | 46
Which brings us back to Putin’s phrase “there would be nobody left to negotiate with”.
Does not.
a situation may arise very quickly where we will be left with no one to negotiate with
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 3 2025 23:59 utc | 47
George Galloway: ‘Putin Kerpow!’
https://www.youtube.com/@GeorgeGallowayOfficial
“Ukraine deal nixed| Wings over Venezuela| Rafah crossing play|”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 4 2025 0:03 utc | 48
George Galloway: Putin Kerpow!
https://www.youtube.com/@GeorgeGallowayOfficial/streams
Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 4 2025 0:05 utc | 49
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 3 2025 23:59 utc | 47
OK, I paraphrased incorrectly. Even so, what he actually said does not imply the complete erasure of the population of any particular nation that RF chooses to attack as many presupposed, merely those who might be considered mandated to negotiate.
For instance, either ChatNPC’s or Jeremy Rhymings-Lang’s demise would (sadly) have no material impact on the UK’s ability to negotiate with the RF.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 4 2025 0:10 utc | 50
@43 golddigger
Article at linkedin…
“Joris Van de Water
2w weeks ago
Quite disturbing that eight crewmembers are still being held in the USA without trial, 19 months after the accident”
Posted by: Ornot | Dec 4 2025 0:21 utc | 51
If Mr Turnip is really concerned with incompetent people he should go back to whatever shithole he crapped out of.
The lazy bastard has failed at everything.
Too cowardly to fight in Vietnam, every business has failed, no wonder the American idiots love him
Posted by: Polli | Dec 4 2025 0:28 utc | 52
Reuters headline – “US backs UN demand for Russia to return abducted Ukrainian children ”
The pedophiles of Europe and US are now panicking. Western propaganda is always projection. 20,000 children have been taken from Nato occupied Ukraine.
The faggots and pedophiles of the Soros WEF globalist circles are now panicking. There is a part of me that does wish this trash would launch a wimpy ‘pre-emptive’ strike on Russia. After that the Eurotrash would no longer be around to poison future generations.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 0:32 utc | 53
Discuss…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 19:17 utc | 4
Corruption, debauchery, and financial engineering. Simples.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 0:37 utc | 54
every business has failed, no wonder the American idiots love him
Posted by: Polli | Dec 4 2025 0:28 utc | 52
I wouldn’t be surprised if some Americans, knowing the disastrous fiscal condition of their country, voted for Trump precisely because he was so good at wriggling himself out of bankruptcy.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 4 2025 0:47 utc | 55
Well, to a degree, but to me it doesn’t appear that ‘big government’ is exclusively a socialist phenomenon, it seems to be a ‘big governmentist’ phenomenon. “Big governmentists” aren’t necessarily socialist,
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 3 2025 21:27 utc | 31
I appreciate your comment. And I agree with this point of yours with respect to our rulers. But I’d guess that big government fans among the citizens are overwhelmingly some flavor of socialism.
Posted by: HB Brian | Dec 4 2025 1:02 utc | 56
Polli | Dec 4 2025 0:28 utc | 52
The US Russia peace talks. The US NABU. The arrests and raids on the offices of the EU commission. I am interested to see where this leads. The US swamp is a dangerous place. It is connected to, or a subsidiary of, the City of London.
Early days yet but the American nationalists are intent on doing a deal with Russia. The Euro faggots are history in any event. The banker boys Macron and Merz, Pre-emptive strike with what? The city of London – money does not purchase weapons nor soldiers. A single salvo of Russian torpedoes will sweep that little island down to the bedrock.
The game Trump is playing is getting quite interesting.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 1:08 utc | 57
I wouldn’t be surprised if some Americans, knowing the disastrous fiscal condition of their country, voted for Trump precisely because he was so good at wriggling himself out of bankruptcy.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 4 2025 0:47 utc | 55
You may well be right with that one. There was a comment in a past thread. I keep forgetting the blokes username. cue1 or something.
Trump is a business man. His main envoy is a business man. The Obomber Biden ideological trash is gone. They recognize the fact that Russia is backed with power.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 1:15 utc | 58
@4 JR-L
Centralisation creates channels that all are purposefully restricted to in the name of efficiency.
These channels have gatekeepers, who set the rules of use.
The rules of use (think thousands of pages of law crossed with the variety of individual circumstance) are (knowingly) unrealistic but effective enough that a majority of the population manage to adapt.
They force adaptation, and discard outliers.
The gatekeepers are privileged with information and authority, further allowing Peter’s statement of “corruption, debauchery, and [whatever] engineering”.
In the real world, where people have (or had) time and the flow of organisation is (or was) local and mundane … where you know the office to go to, how long to wait, and business was about right there, not a central authority connection…it allowed society to be its own, relatively independent, knowing who to trust, based on reputation and understandings.
Now, if you don’t fit in to whatever, you are assumed a criminal. Most of these channels were (hypothetically) introduced ‘to decriminalise’ …money, fraud and so on.
Ultimately, it is about control and bureaucratic or political races to assume that position of control, to install that…perks.
Think Lavender, as an extreme. AI is at best only going to be as good as those programming or at interface, but it will generally teach people to be stupid(er) to fit in with whatever it generates as ‘ideas’.
There are possibly a lot of people just happy to be stupid(er), it’s less hassle and allows anyone to go around more awoker, cue the proverbial frightened fox look.
In short, at best you end up with ‘certain people’ trying to run everything, and society jettisoning reason and ways just to fit in.
Posted by: Ornot | Dec 4 2025 1:27 utc | 59
Ornot | Dec 4 2025 1:27 utc | 59
My observations in general is that humans seek safety in the mob. Group thinkers easily led by propaganda.
I guess here there is a few scrubbers that don’t run with the mob.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 1:41 utc | 60
Seems like the Orange man is increasingly showing his tendency to be a white supremacist – what does that make him? Starts with ‘N’.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 1:48 utc | 61
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 4 2025 0:47 utc | 55
From what I have heard he is good a wiggling himself out of bankruptcy because he just avoids paying his debts. A good solution for him but debt and bankruptcy is just conferred onto others.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 1:52 utc | 62
@60 Peter
There is more at work though, where propaganda offers ‘a direction’, it is at the same time working to undermine some other existing social facet or hierarchy. This is the vicious side of it all that people do not address, where fear is used in increasing proportions to silence critics, philosophers, or even honest commentators.
The mob are more easy going and open to ideas, but without experience often (i.e. younger generation), where propaganda is put forward by an increaingly priviliged group of interests.
Here, I think many just speak their minds, no matter how they handle or where they fit into mobiness. I think many readers equate with that, with what is being said or just the open spirit…but have not the confidence themselves to comment.
Posted by: Ornot | Dec 4 2025 1:55 utc | 63
He likely is a white supremacist. But on another side I am not so sure. What has occurred in just recent weeks re Russia leads me to think he may be draining the swamp in the only way it can be drained. Time will tell on that. Perhaps I am right, perhaps I am wrong.
But whichever it is, the change is interesting.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 1:57 utc | 64
Ornot | Dec 4 2025 1:55 utc | 63
Human character is an odd thing. I being a dumbfuck thought education was important. I guess in a normal world it is but in the western world it is not. I spent many hours talking my son into going back to school to at least finish year twelve. That was hard for me as I missed him when he was gone. The daughters were keen on school and went through university education. The son is an avid tv watcher. Nobody can talk to him when he sits in front of a tv. Eldest daughter is married to a bisexual. youngest daughter that had my only grandson unmarried but high up in some multinational enterprise.
This woke world of bullshit is about to come tumbling down. No society can survive the destruction of society the west has undergone.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 2:12 utc | 65
GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 1:52 utc | 62
There is something else going on here George. Too early to be certain of anything but I am interested in what eventuates.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 2:17 utc | 66
Seems like the Orange man is increasingly showing his tendency to be a white supremacist – what does that make him? Starts with ‘N’.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 1:48 utc | 61
Nigger ? After calling him orange you now call him nigger
Judging a man by the color of his skin…
here at moa we don’t condone racist comments
shame on you! 😉
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 4 2025 2:24 utc | 67
Conservative socialism. Putin, Xi, Orban, and likely Fico. Far far different from progressive socialism that has morphed into capitalist woke. In this current western world, socialism had been replaced by pedophilia and same sex. Progressive …. bullshit. Putin is very much the conservative socialist.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 2:28 utc | 68
Martin Armstrong is talking as if Maduro and Venezuela are finished. What’s everyone’s take on Venezuela and Armstrong? Has Martin ceased to be a reliable source of information?
Posted by: EoinW | Dec 4 2025 2:32 utc | 69
Newbie | Dec 4 2025 2:24 utc | 67
Dump the woke terminology.
Trashbags of any skin colour I will call a nigger. I am over it with this woke bullshit. A man of any skin colour or culture is a man. The woke are trash.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 2:37 utc | 70
What we know about controversial Venezuela drug boat strike https://www.bbc.com/news/articles
Can’t see eleven people in cammo in’t.
PBS: Never-before-seen images of Epstein’s private island [in the Caribbean] released https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/never-before-seen-images-of-epsteins-private-island-released CMP Epstein files: These images have been released by the U.S. House Oversight Committee – CTVNews
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 4 2025 2:38 utc | 71
@65 Peter
I would write down my own observations and experience with regard to education, which include extremes that would underline what you say, but in a completely asymetric way.
Meaning parallels of what is encountered when placed in a position of not being able to complete what is asked, the kinds of people running the show.
As I mentioned, I have been drawn into legal cases etc. and know in certain detail first hand.
However I cannot share information on others, to give info that attracts attention or provides my own identity to many would not be prudent, and to irk certain people even less so.
Some in authority act apparently at random, i.e. get an idea or something to chase up, and that is what their work is… no matter if you are actually uninvolved, innocent or whatever.
Would reply more to Giyane, Stranger but same… they have their stories as do others.
That is just to say you are not wrong, don’t have to be clever or educated to be right about something. You focus more on character, it’s what counts to you, which is honourable.
I am more critical, look at what goes on behind the character, how much character gets used or manipulated (e.g. politicians).
Different realities, but you are right, the world can be a very strange place.
Twit twoo …its late.
Posted by: Ornot | Dec 4 2025 2:41 utc | 72
@ EoinW | Dec 4 2025 2:32 utc | 69
Was Martin Armstrong ever reliable?
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 4 2025 2:49 utc | 73
Ornot | Dec 4 2025 2:41 utc | 72
I have the deepest suspicion we look at the world through a similar lens. Perhaps we see different colours but whatever. I think we are seeing the same thing.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 2:56 utc | 74
Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 4 2025 0:10 utc | 50
Even so, what he actually said does not imply the complete erasure of the population of any particular nation that RF chooses to attack
Yea. I would prefer *strike back* to “attack”. If the war launched by NATO is a mass casualty nuclear `decapitation’ strike on Moscow, Trump’s kayfabe will not avail.
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 4 2025 3:01 utc | 75
Posted by: Newbie | Dec 4 2025 2:24 utc | 67
He is orange and it is not because of any racial or ethnic reason. I did not even event the Orange King or Orange man term Trump fluffer. INhis first term he must have been using fake tanning lotion and probably still does. It pales into insignificance in terms of his obvious racial prejudices which he has referred to in the last week concerning Somalians, ‘third world’ people (although no one but he uses that term these days) his previous comments about Chinese people, and his clear racism against Palestinians. So go FY
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 3:01 utc | 76
Laurence | Dec 4 2025 3:01 utc | 75
Grow up.
The US Russia negotiations are about America joining the multi-polar world. It will take some time, but it will eventuate.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 3:06 utc | 77
2 Dec 2025 #DailyShow #JonStewart #Trump #CrimeFamily
Trump spent the weekend celebrating Thanksgiving the traditional way: abusing reporters, calling Tim Walz the R-word, and bragging about his “perfect” MRI score. Plus, while the president spins a National Guard shooting for his anti-immigrant agenda, Jon Stewart slams the double standard of criminal justice for immigrants and J6 insurrectionists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4STrDD7leEM
recently saw a series on Benito Mussolini, the beginnings in the 1920s taking power, the psycho-personality behavior similarities of him with trump are many and stark. eg thin skinned dysfunctional scattered self-obsessed narcissist inconsistent frivolous disloyal and quite dumb.
Posted by: Oldbert | Dec 4 2025 3:08 utc | 78
the followers were also very similar to the maga of today. a spitting image
Posted by: Oldbert | Dec 4 2025 3:11 utc | 79
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 2:17 utc | 66
He’s been appealing to racism for ages in the same way as others do in politics to hopefully sway the populist debate using hate as simplistic bating to his base of simpletons. Farage in the UK does the same as he did in Brexit and he’s even having his effect in Australia now if you trace the connections. These are well known techniques that even Hermann Göring told us about given there were the same method used in Nazi Germany. Skin colour is irrelevant since we can see how (white) Nazis in Ukraine have used the same techniques against Russians.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 3:15 utc | 80
Oldbert | Dec 4 2025 3:11 utc | 79
When In was young, I travelled across the north. There was killings and some rough stuff.
The banker boys and faggots of Europe have no understanding of what they are heading in to.
Bloody clowns that comment here with zero understanding that Russia is old school. I guess I have had enough of bullshit.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 3:25 utc | 81
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 3:06 utc | 77
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America cannot join. America is not sovereign. It is a colony.
America will join the ROW after its first collapse and the debt is resolved.
By then, it won’t matter because the Axis will have colonies off-planet.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2025 3:27 utc | 82
The game that the Orange man is playing is exactly the same as Zionist Jew against Palestinian where the latter are treated like cockroaches and expendable as if they are trash that it is ok to slaughter in genocide. It’s a divisive game that pits Ubermenschen against Untermenschen in other words those that consider themselves superior humans against those they consider inferior humans. It has little to do with skin colour, but it can be a factor in delineating one group apart from another.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 3:28 utc | 83
GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 3:15 utc | 80
We are on similar yet different pages. Gorbachev, Yeltsin. Trump is a harbinger of change. Far from perfect but a harbinger of change none the less.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 3:30 utc | 84
LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2025 3:27 utc | 82
In one aspect I disagree with you, in another aspect I agree.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 3:34 utc | 85
This might need discussion on b’s post earlier that was on this subject, but I’ll put it here for now – Judge Napolitano with Scott Ritter has an opening subject but then gets to the boat attacks – Ritter gives an initial explanation that committing such attacks has been cleared but gives a clearer analysis of what happened in the instance where there was a second firing on the survivors than the one I saw him do with Nima at Dialogue Works, where I think his emotions got the better of him. He feels that although the incident did cause changes in military operations, there could be Congressional hearings on the case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OhUL_HL_b0
Applogies if folk have already seen this.
Posted by: juliania | Dec 4 2025 3:40 utc | 86
GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 3:28 utc | 83
After the debauchery of the Obama and Biden years, we are moving into a new era. Those that have clung to Obomber and Biden diversity will go down. It has been an aberration of history. The short lived world of the woke has ended.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 3:45 utc | 87
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 3:34 utc | 85
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I love it when people disagree with me. If I am saying what everyone agrees with, I should probably not post.
The last thing the world needs is more people nodding along.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2025 3:54 utc | 88
LoveDonbass | Dec 4 2025 3:54 utc | 88
Yeah. I’m on a fox hunt at the moment but the fox has gone to ground. Time zones are a pain. Keep on keeping on.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 4:00 utc | 89
juliania | Dec 4 2025 3:40 utc | 86
Slaughter of the defenceless has always been a work in progress for the US. With Russia, they have hit a brick wall.
So now they negotiate with that brick wall. Interesting times.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 4:14 utc | 90
Posted by: juliania | Dec 4 2025 3:40 utc | 86
The most difficult thing I find about Scott Ritter is how he gets so emotional when he gets into a discussion. I also find he situates himself between two different views, one is that he almost salivates about a punch up and can become very patriotic and American at that level getting very excited over US military power, but on the other hand he can be a genuine critic of American foreign policy and point out its strengths and weaknesses with some sense of balance. He had an original vendetta to settle with Biden going back to 9/11 but since Trump has been in power I’m not always sure where he stands.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 4:21 utc | 91
Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 3:06 utc | 77
Go. Fuck. Yourself, Peter. That’s it.
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 4 2025 4:25 utc | 92
GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 4:21 utc | 91
Looks like I blew my reply. Ritter is pretty messed up by US bullshit but he is on the right track.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 4:28 utc | 93
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 3:45 utc | 87
‘Woke’ is a very misconstrued term from its original meaning (just like Left and Right) and was also used as a political tool by Biden to levels that were absurd. The fact that the term was stolen by the transgender community and reached levels of madness over changing gender and providing new rights whenever it suited was nuts and one of the worst level of excess that in the end had the opposite effect. It does not need to be associated with following a certain herd mentality fashion nor pushed because some want it to be trending on social media.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 4:30 utc | 94
: Laurence | Dec 4 2025 4:25 utc | 92
Immerse your self in the debauchery of Macron homosexual Olympics. Trash like you… I have to put on gloves to handle toxic waste.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 4:32 utc | 95
Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 4:32 utc | 95
You’re an idiot, Peter. GFY.
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 4 2025 4:38 utc | 96
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 4:28 utc | 93
I was mainly referring to Juliana’s comment about Scott Ritter getting ’emotional’, which I find he does a lot these days. Sometimes I find that a bit off-putting but like you say he is often on track with what he says. Sometimes he reminds me of the people on the old Phil Donahue Show where nearly every episode upset Americans used to get emotionally out of control with each other. But he’s also a smart and capable analyst who has a long history and also put up with a lot of pressure for speaking his mind.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 4:41 utc | 97
I could fly. My mate could ride.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ekPHPdHFOv8
I will be 65 in a bit over a month. My body is gone and all that remains is an urge to fuck up faggotts like you.
Fucking pretty boys like you. Garbage that will be collected by the garbage truck.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 4:46 utc | 98
“Far from perfect but a harbinger of change none the less.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 3:30 utc | 84
True, and in my opinion quite accidentally helping in the demise of US world control and indirectly pushing change in the Global South’s direction.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 4 2025 4:47 utc | 99
Laurence | Dec 4 2025 4:38 utc | 96
Apologies. I did not address that last comment.It was a reply to your garbage..
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 4 2025 5:01 utc | 100