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December 2, 2025
NATO Thinks Of ‘Pre-emptive Strikes’ Against Russia To ‘Defend’ Against Something That Did Not Happen

As it is becoming obvious that Ukraine is losing in the proxy war against Russia, the ideas European governments are are throwing around are getting more crazy.

Some are now eager to ‘pre-emptively’ attack Russia in ‘retaliation’ for alleged ‘hybrid attacks’ against European countries. Those ‘hybrid attacks’ are mostly pure fantasies.

Politico was first to report this nonsense:

Europe thinks the unthinkable: Retaliating against RussiaPolitico, Nov 27 2025
Countries are looking at joint offensive cyber operations and surprise military drills as Moscow steps up its campaign to destabilize NATO allies.

Russia’s drones and agents are unleashing attacks across NATO countries and Europe is now doing what would have seemed outlandish just a few years ago: planning how to hit back.

Ideas range from joint offensive cyber operations against Russia, and faster and more coordinated attribution of hybrid attacks by quickly pointing the finger at Moscow, to surprise NATO-led military exercises, according to two senior European government officials and three EU diplomats.

“The Russians are constantly testing the limits — what is the response, how far can we go?” Latvian Foreign Minister Baiba Braže noted in an interview. A more “proactive response is needed,” she told POLITICO. “And it’s not talking that sends a signal — it’s doing.”

What are the ‘hybrid attacks’ in question?

Russian drones have buzzed Poland and Romania in recent weeks and months, while mysterious drones have caused havoc at airports and military bases across the continent. Other incidents include GPS jamming, incursions by fighter aircraft and naval vessels, and an explosion on a key Polish rail link ferrying military aid to Ukraine.

The idea to ‘pre-empivly’ attack Russia comes from an Italian defense paper:

Last week, Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto slammed the continent’s “inertia” in the face of growing hybrid attacks and unveiled a 125-page plan to retaliate. In it, he suggested establishing a European Center for Countering Hybrid Warfare, a 1,500-strong cyber force, as well as military personnel specialized in artificial intelligence.

To me that looks like someone is seeking additional NATO payments. Three days later a Italian NATO general furthered the idea:

Nato considers being ‘more aggressive’ against Russia’s hybrid warfare (archived) – Financial Times, Nov 30 025
Alliance’s top military officer says it could become proactive in dealing with Moscow threat

Nato is considering being “more aggressive” in responding to Russia’s cyber attacks, sabotage and airspace violations, according to the alliance’s most senior military officer.

Admiral Giuseppe Cavo Dragone told the Financial Times that the western military alliance was looking at stepping up its response to hybrid warfare from Moscow.

Some diplomats, especially from eastern European countries, have urged Nato to stop being merely reactive and hit back. Such a response would be easiest for cyber attacks where many countries have offensive capabilities but would be less easy for sabotage or drone intrusions.

Dragone said that a “pre-emptive strike” could be considered a “defensive action”, but added: “It is further away from our normal way of thinking and behaviour.”

He added: “Being more aggressive compared with the aggressivity of our counterpart could be an option. [The issues are] legal framework, jurisdictional framework, who is going to do this?”

Admiral Dragone is using Orwellian speech when he seems obviously lobbying for 1,500 NATO paid jobs in his home country.

One problem with this is that there is little evidence of any ‘hybrid attacks’.

Ursula von der Leyen was caught outright lying when her staff claimed that alleged Russian GPS distortion had prolonged a flight she was taking.

The alleged intrusion of Russian planes into Estonian airspace had turned out to be an innocent passage near an uninhabited island far from the coast.

The Dutch magazine Trouw has found that the myriad of recent drone panics had little to do with Russia.

Analysis sixty drone incidents in Europe: a lot of panic and little evidence (archived) – Trouw.nl

Machine translation:

Using the Dronewatch platform, Trouw mapped around sixty incidents involving drones in eleven European countries. These took place in the last three months. The conclusion: a lot of confusion and ambiguity and regular false alarms. For Russian involvement, as some authorities and experts point out, in the vast majority of cases no hard evidence has been provided.

In about forty incidents, the origin is still unclear or no evidence has been found for drones in the airspace. An example is Oslo, where drone reports shut down air traffic at the end of September, affecting thousands of travelers. The police did not find any confirmation afterwards that drones were actually flying. The same was true for reports at the airport of Swedish Gothenburg in early November.

In at least fourteen cases, it turned out to be something completely different afterwards. For example, people in Belgium mistook (small) planes and helicopters for drones, while the flying objects in South Limburg and Danish Billund were stars. The Norwegian police concluded that a suspicious ‘drone’ near an oil platform in the North Sea was probably a ship.

A number of times it has been established that drone flights were the work of a hobbyist or that it later turned out to be a tourist. In an incident in Warsaw where a drone flew over government buildings, Polish police picked up a Ukrainian and a 17-year-old girl from Belarus. There is no evidence of espionage.

This picture was published by media as showing alleged damage by an alleged explosion along a Polish rail line


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According to the Polish outlet Super Express, a train driver travelling near the Mikołajówka (Mika) station informed dispatchers at 07:39 about irregularities in the rail infrastructure.

A preliminary inspection revealed that roughly one meter of track had been destroyed, forcing the train to stop. No passengers or crew members were injured.

Prime Minister Donald Tusk later underscored the gravity of the incident on X, stating:

“Blowing up the rail track on the Warsaw–Lublin route is an unprecedented act of sabotage targeting directly the security of the Polish state and its civilians. This route is also crucially important for delivering aid to Ukraine. We will catch the perpetrators, whoever they are.”

Nothing was ‘blown up’. What can be seen in the picture is not the result of an explosion. For comparison you might want to watch this attempt (vid) of using C-4 explosive to cut an I-beam. It is a VERY violent process. But the track ballast under the broken rail as well as the sleepers seem undisturbed and undamaged. The incident was most likely a brittle crack caused by fatigue. The rail was probably not firmly fixed on the sleepers and bent when trains were running over it. When that happens one time too many rails will break.

The alleged ‘hybrid attacks’ by Russia are over-hyped normal incidents with little if any relation to Russia. To use these as an excuse for ‘pre-emptive strikes’, be it cyber or whatnot, hardly makes such ‘defensive’.

And what, by the way, is Admiral Dragone planing to do if Russia hits back?

Comments

Nervous German@88……omg, omg, now he’s mowing down to the last European leaving no one to negotiate with…..do notice how he tip towed right past the “we are at war with Russia” shit disturbing  Brexiters …..couldn’t name the Elephant in the SMO ……. 
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 2 2025 16:07 utc | 101

$100 Billion Stolen in Ukr – Corruption on SteroidsPosted by: unimperator | Dec 2 2025 15:47 utc | 87
 
Only the Harry Limes will get caught. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041959/
 
I thought with the indulgence of the bar I would repost Wilfred Owens work https://www.nku.edu/~longa/poems/owen4.html more properly formatted 
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,–
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 2 2025 16:11 utc | 102

Moscow’s response.
 
“A recent statement by a NATO admiral that the bloc could consider a “pre-emptive strike” against Russia shows that it is seeking escalation and wants to derail the Ukraine peace process, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova has said.
Zakharova was responding to an interview Admiral Giuseppe Cavo Dragone, chair of the NATO Military Committee, gave to the Financial Times over the weekend. According to the admiral, the bloc should become “more aggressive” and “proactive” in its dealings with Moscow. He also claimed that a “pre-emptive strike” could be considered a “defensive action,” although it would be “further away from our normal way of thinking and behavior.”
In a statement published by the Russian Foreign Ministry on Monday, Zakharova described Dragone’s words as “an absolutely irresponsible move indicating the bloc’s readiness to further move towards escalation
 
“Anti-Russian hysteria” whipped up by NATO members is only stirring up the ongoing confrontation even further, she warned.
Dragone’s statement also debunks a myth about the “purely defensive” nature of the military bloc, Zakharova said, adding that NATO “has not been hiding its goals and intentions for a long time.” The spokeswoman further accused the bloc of “deliberately seeking to disrupt efforts aimed at finding a way out of the Ukraine crisis.”
 
The EU has increasingly used anti-Russian rhetoric to justify massive military expenditures. The ReArm Europe package, presented in March, aims to mobilize up to €800 billion ($933 billion) to expand EU nations’ militaries under the pretext of countering an alleged “Russian threat.” NATO also pushed its members commit to spending a total of 5% of their GDPs on the military this summer. 
Moscow has repeatedly stated that it has no intention to attack any NATO member, but has warned of a harsh response if attacked.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 2 2025 16:14 utc | 103

EU leaders are definitely suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
 
“NATO members in Europe are pressing Washington to maintain its troop presence in the region, stressing that November drills in Romania highlighted European countries’ dependence on US support, Bloomberg has reported.
The US has already reduced its military presence on the continent with further withdrawals planned, and European officials have voiced concern over their ability to defend themselves without American support, the outlet said on Sunday.
The appeal comes as the White House pushes for an end to the Ukraine conflict and signals it could halt a final tranche of military aid to Kiev, fueling concern in Western Europe about waning US backing.The NATO exercises ran from October 20 to November 13 and involved more than 5,000 Romanian troops alongside personnel from nine other NATO members – Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Italy, Luxembourg, North Macedonia, Poland, Portugal, and Spain.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 2 2025 16:17 utc | 104

EU’s defence tsar Andrius Kubilius today told Euronews that the continent needs to bolster its standing on the world stage soon if it wants to have a hand in crafting the final version of the possible peace plan. 
Kubilius said: ‘We need perhaps to overcome some kind of our mental problems that usually we’re awaiting when some plans will come from Washington.
 would be very good for us to have our own plan and then you know to compare with [the] American plan to see what is good, what we want to discuss. 

 

I think that we’re moving into that direction. Since really this approach that we need to be more independent both in our defence capabilities but also in our geopolitical standing is coming’.

Idiot thinks he and EU can muscle in?
 
 

Posted by: Jo | Dec 2 2025 16:17 utc | 105

It appears Putin talked with reporters briefly before his talks with Witkoff and after his speech at the annual Russia Calling investment forum, with most of the tidbits being reported by RT hereSputnik has a separate report that contains a more inclusive Putin quote. It also has another report related to allowing western journalists into recently liberated cities. So far, TASS has no relevant news on this issue although it does have this item from the forum about Russia increasing its cooperation with China and India to much higher levels.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 16:18 utc | 106

PavewayIV. Haven’t seen you for a while.  Hope you’re well.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Dec 2 2025 16:19 utc | 107

When looking for the reason for domestic problems, possibly you should look to the millions of unvetted 3rd-worlders you allowed in.  Just sayin’…

Posted by: Horseless Headsman | Dec 2 2025 16:19 utc | 108

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 2 2025 16:06 utc | 100
the only answer the guilty have is to spread their guilt. a guy who fought in the French resistance wrote a book on the subject, The Plague, as I’m sure you know. The murderer Cottard from Camus is their model. The purpose of the law is to justify the violence of the state. It’s a fig leaf, nothing more. “it’s not the law that matters, it’s the punishment,” Judge Othon, from Camus.
 
the law commands the death of those who subvert the rule of law, particularly those who use the law (e.g., the fake drug war) to commit the worst crime, murder.  The lawyer, the politician, who subverts the law gets no mercy. It’s like Gabriel Rossi using the IAEA to point out targets for future Western attacks in Iran. It is impossible to commit a crime against such a piece of bloodthirsty human filth. the only danger is that one becomes infected oneself when stomping such a person’s brains out.

Posted by: duck n cover | Dec 2 2025 16:19 utc | 109

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 2 2025 16:07 utc | 102

Yeah, you’re probably right lol… picture Captain Picard’s facepalm gif.  German headlines would usually start with “Putin droht …” [threatens]

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 16:20 utc | 110

Nato provocation.
 
“Belarus has summoned Lithuania’s charge d’affaires regarding an alleged recent airspace violation by a drone, the Belarusian Foreign Ministry said on Monday.
On Sunday, a Western European-made UAV illegally crossed into Belarus’ airspace and crashed in the city of Grodno, the ministry said in a statement. The city lies roughly 30km (19 miles) from the Lithuanian border and 15km (9 miles) from neighboring Poland.
Video footage and navigation data recovered from the drone indicated that its planned route involved flying over Belarus and then crossing into Poland, the ministry added.
“We regard these actions as a deliberate provocation not only against the Republic of Belarus but also against the Republic of Poland,” it said.
Minsk has demanded that Vilnius provide details on the circumstances of the incident, the identity of the pilot, and the purpose of the drone’s launch, the ministry stated. Lithuania must also conduct a thorough investigation, hold those responsible to account, and take measures to prevent similar incidents in the future, it added.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 2 2025 16:20 utc | 111

As for the hysteria, IMO it’s to cover up the billion-dollar corruption crime by Ukrainian officials, which is something they don’t want Europeans to know about since the EuroNazis are so keen on feeding that corruption trough even more.  

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 16:21 utc | 112

I think the fate of Odessa has been decided.
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2025 16:03 utc | 95

It would be too good.  And hopefully soon!  Civilians in the city have no heating, temps outside around 6° C.

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 16:22 utc | 113

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 2 2025 16:06 utc | 100
i don’t believe in the death penalty arising from a court of law. but we ain’t in a courtroom, and love is a battlefield…
 
beside, the death penalty is too easy for a Trump or Hegseth or Blinken or Macron or Starmtrooper. Send them to Gaza or Fukushima or Iraq or the former Yugoslavia to clean up the radiation. Let the punishment fit the crime.

Posted by: duck n cover | Dec 2 2025 16:23 utc | 114

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 16:21 utc | 113

I think the hysteria (yesterday’s news) was their plan A, until ECB decided not to greenlight the Russian-asset-stealing-plan, so now they’re out of money anyways to back the hysteria up.  Plan B kicked in once they realized Witkoff and Kuschner would be meeting Putin today, hence today’s raids, happily coinciding with the ECB’s no.  Methinks whatever deal is about to be signed will be grossly unfavorable to the EU.

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 16:26 utc | 115

@Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 16:22 utc | 114

It would be too good.  And hopefully soon!  Civilians in the city have no heating, temps outside around 6° C.

I kind of know the feeling. it is 6° C here as well (mild for the time of year) and our boiler has broken down ….  hoping for a fix tomorrow.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2025 16:27 utc | 116

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 16:21 utc | 113

.
 
Cash to Ukie, which gets turned back to those who voted it up. Nice payoff cycle. Makes me want the nazis to take over Ukie overtly, so the cycle ends during reconstruction.  Hoist the swastika over rump Ukie!

Posted by: seer | Dec 2 2025 16:29 utc | 117

Putin: If Europe Wants War, We Are Ready
 
He warned that a potential war with Europe would unfold “very differently.”
 
He told reporters: “If Europe suddenly starts a war with us, it will happen very quickly. This is not Ukraine.
 
Russia “does not intend to fight with Europe.” But should Europe start a conflict, Moscow would be “ready immediately.”
 
“We don’t want a war with Europe, I’ve said that a hundred times. But if Europe suddenly decides to fight us and starts—we are ready. There can be no doubt about that.”

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 16:29 utc | 118

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2025 16:27 utc | 117

I know the feeling too, outside was -1° C, luckily it was fixed the next morning.  Good luck to you!

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 16:32 utc | 119

Putin has learned to tell Lavrov-style truth-bomb jokes:

‘When you travel so much BEGGING for money, it’s difficult to follow frontlines developments’ — Putin on Zelensky appearing out of the loop on Kupyansk situation
‘For several weeks now Kupyansk in our hands completely
It seems [Ukraine’s leadership] lives on some other planet’

https://t.me/rtnews/123549

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2025 16:32 utc | 120

 
US military Budget $1,000 billion 
EU collective military budget $400 billion
Russian Military budget $125 billion 
 
Consider the staggering waste, mismanagement, and fraud buried in the EU and USA military budgets if they require moar to fight Russia. 

Posted by: exile | Dec 2 2025 16:32 utc | 121

Norwegian,
 
Time for you to install a backup wood stove. 

Posted by: exile | Dec 2 2025 16:33 utc | 122

Importantly, Putin also vowed to expand strikes on Ukrainian ports, as retaliation for the some four tankers which have already been hit by Ukrainian attacks, which are believed to have had the support of Western intelligence. According to more of his words via newswires:

  • Europeans have detached from the talks themselves.
  • Attacks on tankers near Turkey are piracy.
  • Will take measures against tankers of countries that help Ukraine.
  • Will increase strikes on facilities and Ukrainian vessels.
  • If attacks continue, Russia may strike Ukraine tankers.

Tyler Durden …extract

Posted by: Jo | Dec 2 2025 16:34 utc | 123

Posted by: Jo | Dec 2 2025 16:34 utc | 124

Hehe… cue some concerted OPEC+ output cuts, cue rising oil prices, cue the busting AI bubble, cue EU out of money — perfect storm.  Sad for those who already struggling to make ends meet.

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 16:37 utc | 124

Whitehall? The elephant in the SMO.
Cheers M 
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 2 2025 14:58 utc | 69

You are right, they are a white elephant. Expensive to maintain and with little to no use. They do like to talk about their supposed successes though. Meanwhile theyre still a bankrupt nation in decline, pretending theyre a big dog while their nation burns. You cant eat propaganda. I wonder how much all this ‘winning’ has cost them? A few frozen grannies and how many dead UK sheepdipped personnel?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Dec 2 2025 16:40 utc | 125

🇺🇸🇷🇺Dmitriev, Witkoff, and Kushner walked through the center of Moscow before talks at the Kremlin, reports TASS.

https://t.me/intelslava/80313
 
They walk among ordinary people. A subtle hint to the US Americans.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2025 16:44 utc | 126

@122
 
You must invest in US military industry com0lex stocks.
 
I recommend Lockheed!  No other company manages its customer so well!
 
6 to 8% profit delivering stuff years late and not meeting engineering specs.
 
That said no one ever won a war shooting Lockheed dividend stubs..l.

Posted by: paddy | Dec 2 2025 16:46 utc | 127

@Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 16:32 utc | 120
@exile | Dec 2 2025 16:33 utc | 123
 
Thanks guys I have an enclosed fireplace so it’s ok for one night when it isn’t too cold. But it makes you think what the ordinary ukrainians are going through over months in apartments without functioning central heating.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2025 16:48 utc | 128

I’ve worked for railroads for about 30 years in various postitions from brakeman/conductor to operations manager where I conducted derailment and accident investigations.  Also was a captial projects manager overseeing new and renewal track & signal projects.
There’s no way the damage in the photo resulted from an explosion because the ballast isn’t disturbed.  And no scorch marks.  Ballast consists of approx 2 to 3 inche pieces of rock, loose between the ties (aka sleepers).  The broken rail looks like the result of stress cracking.
There’s some sort of maintenance-of-way equipment sitting over the broken rail.  Too narrow for a regular freight or passenger car or locomotive.  How did it get there?  Lowered with a crane?

Posted by: RealRRdr | Dec 2 2025 16:50 utc | 129

@RealRRdr | Dec 2 2025 16:50 utc | 130
 
Agreed. As b says it looks like a fatigue crack. And yes, I have engineering experience with fatigue damage, if mostly theoretical.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2025 16:53 utc | 130

I think the fate of Odessa has been decided”   – Norwegian  95

Better late than never..I suppose but, cutting off your opponent’s main supply line should have been decided long ago…like day one
 
To hell with “attrition-warfare” why kill every conscript the Waffen-SS of Galicia can scrape-up?  Cut-off the Waffen-SS main supply line!  And if you have to kill anyone, kill those Waffen-SS assholes, the ones who’re throwing every ethnic/cultural Russ/Magyar/Slovak they can find into DC/London/Jerusalem’s sausage maker.

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2025 16:55 utc | 131

Posted by: RealRRdr | Dec 2 2025 16:50 utc | 130

Always good to have a layman’s opinion backed up by an expert’s, thanks!  If I think about the German terrorists from back in the 70’s, they would have used explosives and there would be no single tiny rock left around the blast area.  Or a power cutter, also won’t take too long.  But these are not clean cuts…  Either way, those in power (and their media) don’t even try any more.

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 16:57 utc | 132

“Now Dragone is Italian. As a German with a knowledge of history, I have a hunch about this”.
He will screw some German’s wife, as we all did. 
 

Posted by: Gordon Brown | Dec 2 2025 17:05 utc | 133

Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 16:26 utc | 116
 
Thanks for your reply. It’s 7C here on the Oregon coast where we heat with wood and underfloor electric. Yes, the money issue is quite similar–theft and corruption–with all the thieves squealing they need to steal more. At least the Outlaw US Empire knows what’s needed at the front and is trying to entice Filipino Mercs with $5K/mo contracts to die in Ukraine. I’m surprised nothing’s been spun about Russia attacking its own tankers to justify cutting Ukraine off from the Black Sea. As for today’s talks, I doubt anything will come of them aside from positive words at the press conference, particularly when the legal issues Putin expressed at the post-CSTO Summit presser are considered–all of which must be solved by Ukraine, not by the Empire.     

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 17:05 utc | 134

A common pattern for open calls like this is, it’s not just a plea for money to be invested in a new project, it’s a plea for a share of the money already invested in the same kind of project elsewhere. When Italy wants money for an aggressive cyberwar against Russia, it probably means aggressive cyberwar money is already going to someone else, just more covertly. 
 
As to the call for so-called surprise military drills? Surprise military drills (or massive ones as in ROK/US drills) escalate tensions because they could be a cover for a real attack. This is a call for EU to expand the war against Russia wider than the losing theater in Ukraine. (And drills require bigger budgets, so there’s that too.) The idea is that Russia has to keep more forces in a defensive posture along the entire frontier (an ambiguous exception in Belarus?) limiting their ability to commit enough forces to actually finish the war in the Ukrainian theater. The notion is that the war in Ukraine does overall weaken Russia. It seems to be an article of faith that somehow the war on Russia is making Russia stronger but this seems to me to need vastly more support than is ever offered. 
 
Our host is I think correct in assessing the incidents as inflated. My further conclusion is that the policy openly advocated by the Italians has been decided upon and is being implemented to some degree already…and the charges of Russian aggression in hybrid warfare are merely cover, maybe neurotic projection. But then, my view is that the world is already fighting hybrid WW III. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 2 2025 17:06 utc | 135

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2025 16:55 utc | 132
######
 
You’re still not thinking anything like a Russian. They don’t care about time or territory. All analyses predicated on those as crucial goals will be flawed.
 
The Colonizer mindset is not universal. It is mostly applicable to the West.
 
And as we are seeing, it isn’t actually useful in the act of colonization anymore.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 2 2025 17:10 utc | 136

Putin: Europe – that would be a completely different war and end very quickly

Excerpt:
Russian President Vladimir Putin has stated that his country is proceeding “cautiously, surgically” in Ukraine. At the same time, he warned that a potential war with Europe would unfold “completely differently.” He told reporters:

“If Europe suddenly starts a war with us, it will happen very quickly. This is not Ukraine. In Ukraine, we are acting surgically, cautiously. This is not a war in the direct, modern sense of the word.”

He reiterated that Russia “does not intend to fight with Europe.” However, should Europe initiate a conflict, Moscow would be “ready immediately.”

“We don’t want a war with Europe, I’ve said that a hundred times. But if Europe suddenly decides to fight us and starts – we are ready. There can be no doubt about that.”

Posted by: Genesis | Dec 2 2025 17:12 utc | 137

The idea that a much weakened EU will go to war against Russia and probably China is absolutely absurd. The EU mostly destroyed itself by blindly following US foreign policy and stupidly importing millions of relatively ignorant, primitive peoples who are from cultures so incredibly different than Europe that they will never adapt or “fit in”. European elites thought they could become magical, golden America, which was only briefly magical and golden and has been mostly a debt plagued, deteriorating gig job ghetto during the 21st century. Congratulations Eurotards…. You’ve almost become America! Just pour a little more “capitalism” on it. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 2 2025 17:12 utc | 138

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 17:05 utc | 135

Thank you, I always appreciate your take.  It’s now being rumored that Zelensky will be gone by the end of the week.  As others already said, first slowly, then suddenly.  Cheers!

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 17:14 utc | 139

For the first time, a German minister admits that Ukraine will have to accept territorial losses and that the EU is no longer winning.
 
An end to the Ukraine conflict will most likely require “painful concessions” from Kiev, including on territorial issues, German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul has said.
https://www.rt.com/news/628815-kiev-painful-concessions-peace/
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 17:17 utc | 140

Paging ANY Nobel Prize Runners to help off-ramp this bitch.
 
Would even take a runner-up. Sir Donald? 
 
No? OOPS, maybe the conflict with the Ruskies transcends the continent and is existential for the entire west (it is!). It threatens their power projection and thus their ability to prop up the western financial system, the vampire ball.
 
same MO of WW2. Europe does the dying and U.S. does the white-knighting.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 2 2025 17:18 utc | 141

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 2 2025 16:06 utc | 100i don’t believe in the death penalty arising from a court of law. but we ain’t in a courtroom, and love is a battlefield… 
Posted by: duck n cover | Dec 2 2025 16:23 utc | 115
 
It’s the first stage, and it works. While Norway had 37%  adult males killed violently (none executed), Denmark had only 6% violent deaths and more than 80% /5 out of 6) were executions. You trade your freedom, and a 5% chance f the state killing you,  for a 36 time reduction of your neighbor killing you risk…  
Bill, Jan, David Jacobson, Susanne Nagel, and Lisa Mariann Strand. 2024. “Violence as a lens to Viking societies: A comparison of Norway and Denmark.” Journal of Anthropological Archaeology 75 (September 2024): 101569
 
that was a bit off-topic
 
but following the news I’m feeling more and more a deal is on
 
even germany is now just trying to push for a referendum as a last delay tactic
 
“This will undoubtedly be an extremely difficult process for Ukraine, which may end in a referendum,” the top German diplomat said. He noted that Ukrainian citizens may have to decide whether to accept the terms of ending the conflict or not. “The task of diplomacy is to work out compromises that could be supported by the parties to the conflict. Ultimately, of course, this always involves painful concessions,” Wadephul pointed out.
The German minister also opined that, thanks to diplomatic efforts, the chances of achieving a ceasefire in Ukraine “have never been so great” as they are now. He considers security guarantees to be the “most important condition” for this and believes that the US plays a key role in this regard.
 
https://tass.com/world/2052539
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2025 17:19 utc | 142

For the first time, a German minister admits that Ukraine will have to accept territorial losses and that the EU is no longer winning. An end to the Ukraine conflict will most likely require “painful concessions” from Kiev, including on territorial issues, German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul has said.https://www.rt.com/news/628815-kiev-painful-concessions-peace/  
Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 17:17 utc | 141
 
Just posted from Tass as well, but I see it as a last delaying tactic, referendum
 
On the other hand us-rf might just present a fait accompli and then a referendum if ukraine wants to re-start the war 😀

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2025 17:22 utc | 143

⚡️ First picture of the meeting of US and Russian delegations in the Kremlin

https://t.me/rtnews/123560
 

‘Moscow authorities take PRIDE’ in the city… ‘I hope you’ve been able to see for yourselves’ — Putin
Witkoff and Kushner agree ‘it’s a MAGNIFICENT city’

https://t.me/rtnews/123561

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2025 17:27 utc | 144

Respect that Putin (after all) is a true patriot who has great honor in getting Russia out of the abyss of the 1990s. 
My fear – my fearful suspicions are: Putin surrounds himself with neoliberal 5th column (15 percent flat tax), who dream of becoming part of the G8. I’m not sure – But could there be truth to this?
When Lugansk and Donetsk were about to win in 2014 and 15. When it became critical and Luhansk and Donetsk were being liberated – largely by their own efforts – the West panicked. Merkel flew to Moscow; Putin failed (again) and the result was Minsk 1
And Minsk 2 – while the West openly laughed at him and Russia. And Istanbul.. and Astana, and Anchorage – and..
Im afraid Putin has reduced Russia from a great power to a Stockholm Syndrome Power – Most recently the US is bombing Russian tankers, refineries, strategic nuclear bombers, terror in the music hall, the list go on and on – 
The US is actually behind everything! And everyone knows it. Puntin compulsively turns the other cheek. Is this worthy of a great power (?)
You must ask yourself – Why?
 
After which Putin gives ‘his friend’ – the narcissistic megalomaniac and psychopathic – Donald Trump legitimacy to act as a 3 party negotiator (!) – bad craziness indeed.
Putin and his G8 neoliberal companions ‘dare’ not win the war against NATO and US. I’m not sure – But could there be truth to this?
Putin just loves all the neo-fascists: Meloni, Le Pen, Trump, ADF, Modi, Netanyahu, Saudi-MBS, the list goes on and on.
There is nothing Putin and his companions would rather do than to be part of the (colonial) club again; to have houses in London again; to be part of the Western Jet Set. I’m not sure – But could there be truth to this?
Everyone knows that the CIA, MI6, the Deep State have planned to turn Ukraine into a Bandera terrorist state against Russia – ever since before the breakup of the CCCP. Why doesn’t Putin face the consequences of this (?)
Meanwhile, Germany is rearming and NATO is openly threatening nuclear-armed Russia with war. 
It could become very dangerous that Russia has not ended this war a long time ago.
Lavrov in his CCCP t-shirt obviously doesn’t trust Putin anymore. Lavrov is no longer hiding it – and is far more popular and trustworthy in Russia than Putin. So he is untouchable 
…While Putin has sidelined Lavrov in favor of the neoliberal Kirill Dmitriev – as the main negotiator regarding the 28 parody points. Dimitriev is without any military or diplomatic experience. With Trump’s son-in-law Kusner as part of the negotiations, these have apparently been reduced to an amateur freak show – which runs on its own inertia for 10 months (?)
Putin let Israel and his special friend Netanyahu bomb Syria hundreds of times while he was talking – and talking – Astana with his special friend and traitor Erdogan.
Putin denied Iran S300 for years, even though Iran had paid for them. Iran doesn’t trust Putin anymore.
Putin received (without Lavrov) the IS leader from Syria. It’s not realpolitik – it’s just shameful considering the attack on Iran, Syria, Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen… And all the suffering that could have been avoided had it not been for the very special friendship between Putin, Netanyahu and Erdogan. Bon appetit !
By the way, Putin warmly supports Trump’s plan for Gaza – Sic..
So – Why still be a blind apologist (defender) for the autocrat Putin (?)

  • Do people really still think Putin is a super strategist – playing 5G chess?

Putin apparently thinks he is so clever and classless and free.  
But (maybe) he’s still f–king peasants as far as I can see

Posted by: MoodyBlues | Dec 2 2025 17:28 utc | 145

russia taking care of a eu strike on russian territory. first england 1  take out their submarines 2 take out their nuclear bomb storage bases 3 city of London banking . france , 1 take out their nuclear bomb storage 2 their military airports . then ask the rest of europe if their feeling lucky. ar that point the united states is going to do shit. as donald trump would say ,have a good day thank you.

Posted by: darkhorse 241 | Dec 2 2025 17:29 utc | 146

I cannot judge what is currently being discussed in Moscow. I will not speculate.
But Putin wants a “final solution for many generations,” and that requires him to have a land route to Serbia and the Black Sea coast free from possible attacks.
Both of these things require Odessa. Everything else in the northeast is unnecessary for this.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 17:32 utc | 147

*** Better late than never..I suppose but, cutting off your opponent’s main supply line should have been decided long ago…like day one
To hell with “attrition-warfare” why kill every conscript the Waffen-SS of Galicia can scrape-up?  Cut-off the Waffen-SS main supply line!  ***
Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2025 16:55 utc | 132
*** You’re still not thinking anything like a Russian. 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 2 2025 17:10 utc | 137
 
So much western belief has been based upon false assumptions stemming from the post Normandy WWII experience on the western front. US tactics were executed against a German force that had already been attritted in the east – where 3/4 of its mechanized losses and 5/6 of its personnel losses took place.  You get “big arrow” moves during a collapse after attrition when the weakened (or already weak) adversary can muster only defensive action, viz the Donbass today. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 2 2025 17:36 utc | 148

…An end to the Ukraine conflict will most likely require “painful concessions” on territorial issues”  Smartfox 141

 
Wait a minute, why should ex-ukrainia give up any territory? I mean, Dumbass just assured me in above comment that Russia doesn’t care about seizing territory to secure the safety of Russians in Russia’ near-abroad?  I’m confused, who’s right, Dumbass & no-land-concession-ex-ukrainians or……….the Kremlin and the Russian people?
 
When the Black-Sea-Coast [BSC] to Transnistria is taken and the Ruskies are on the doorstep of the Waffen-SS of Galicia, peace is at hand.  Otherwise, the Waffen SS of Galicia will keep feeding “every ethnic/cultural Russ/Magyar/Slovak they can find into DC/London/Jerusalem’s sausage maker“.  Defending a failed strategy after it has been abandoned is…well…his moniker says it all.
 

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2025 17:36 utc | 149

dream of becoming part of the G8. I’m not sure – But could there be truth to this?
 
Probably NO. He told several times that this is no topic for Russia anymore. His topic is BRICS

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 17:36 utc | 150

Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 17:14 utc | 140
 
Thanks for your reply and vote of confidence! Here’s an imaginary Ukrainian’s beef with Trump:
 
You took control of my nation so you could capture Crimea and turn it into a NATO base, but the Russians stationed there along with a few additional Spetsnaz prevented that, so you allowed your Nazi proxies to rampage and make war on Russian speaking Ukrainians who were against your coup, and that began the war of resistance. Operating under NATO command, our troops were unable to defeat the resistance which instead defeated us, which prompted the two Minsk agreements that were used to rebuild our army. Yes, there was a Ukrainian face nominally in-charge, but the real direction was managed by NATO. You, Trump, helped greatly during your first term in resupplying and rebuilding our military and continued the policy of shelling civilian targets within resistance held regions. The plan was to mount a great invasion after your reelection, but Biden took over, although the policy and ultimate goal didn’t change. Now that you’ve destroyed our nation, caused two million deaths on the battlefield, caused many millions to flee the country, you want us to surrender for the war you started. We think that you–and NATO–need to surrender first and pay us many billions in reparations for the damage and loss of territory your policy caused. 

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 17:38 utc | 151

Back to NATO:

🏁🇺🇦 NATO’s secretary general, Mark Rutte, admitted there is no consensus inside the alliance on bringing Ukraine in.
Speaking at a briefing in Brussels, he said it’s important to separate “principle from practice.” In practice, Ukraine can only join if all NATO members agree — and right now, that agreement simply doesn’t exist.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/166637
 
As a comment in Telegram says, Rutte is a “glorified Butler”. Now he is told to carefully say they lost.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2025 17:44 utc | 152

We think that you–and NATO–need to surrender first and pay us many billions in reparations for the damage and loss of territory your policy caused.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 17:38 utc | 152
 
Just like the US paid reparations and compensation to Native Americans?
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 17:45 utc | 153

smartfox | Dec 2 2025 17:36 utc | 151
 
We’ve seen that sort of “concern troll” here before with the same sort of message. 

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 17:46 utc | 154

*** We think that you–and NATO–need to surrender first and pay us many billions in reparations for the damage and loss of territory your policy caused.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 17:38 utc | 152
 
Reparations have been made on a pay-go basis, which some call corruption. Nothing to see there, except a few little Harry Limes who will get caught in their Ukraine sewer homes with gold toilets. None of the money is in Cyprus, Leichtenstein or Zurich. Move on. Nothing to see here.  

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 2 2025 17:47 utc | 155

You get “big arrow” moves during a collapse after attrition” – Frithguild 149

That is a historically false statement.
 
And furthermore, it’s misleading, not following up on a breakthrough with ample reserves is not “big-arrow” stuff, it’s basic maneuver warfare.  The Russians didn’t follow up on their battlefield successes because, take your pick; 1] Per Larry Johnson, they were too weak [I disagree but, whatever], 2] It was Kremlin policy to not escalate but to negotiate.  I think 2] far more likely but, it certainly was not because the Kremlin thought killing “every ethnic/cultural Russ/Magyar/Slovak” the Waffen SS could throw at them was a good idea.  That’s blogastan bloatavation.
 
Notice, the second the English started blowing up Russian in/out-bound tankers, the gloves came off in Odessa.  Note, that didn’t require “a collapse after attrition“…just a will to escalate one notch further….sheesh.

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2025 17:51 utc | 156

smartfox | Dec 2 2025 17:45 utc | 154
 
Thanks for your reply. I was speaking as a hypothetical Ukrainian who wouldn’t know about the historical refusal of the Outlaw US Empire to pay reparations either agreed to as with Vietnam or court ordered as with Nicaragua. Later today I’ll be publishing an article about a very little known but very major fact from US history that I was unaware of, although it doesn’t have anything to do with Ukraine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 17:52 utc | 157

@152,
 
Repaarations!
 
What were the billions cyphened off by the Kievan pols?
 
Don’t Kiev’s war profiteers skim enough.
 
Money for Kiev is not for regular citizens.

Posted by: paddy | Dec 2 2025 17:54 utc | 158

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 17:38 utc | 152
 
can i remind you ? “Europe must be punished, US ignored after hybrid war between West, Russia — Medvedev ” a year ago https://tass.com/politics/1894291
 
As for the ” caused two million deaths on the battlefield,” i was one of the major supporters of that assessment, but lately putin’s numbers (and yesterday’s comments about “VOLCHANSK IS OURS” ) are forcing a reassessment.
 
Let me explain. “The enemy suffered significant losses: over 23,000 personnel, of which at least 8,000 killed. Over 18 months of fighting, the AFU lost 46% of their group’s personnel. Daily losses averaged more than 40 killed and wounded.”

total casualties 23000

kia 8000

 wia permanent (guess) 8500

wia healed 6500

for 18 months I have total MoD 960.000 “hit”
that would mean VOLCHANSK was 2,4% of total
I’ll skip the intermediates and go straight to final AFU casualties for the whole SMO
 
kia ~510k
maimed ~540k
 
And I’d bet on 2.5 – 3 to 1 so RF lost 300-400k (half dead) so grand total is still under/near 700k kia (a third of those 2 million I had proposed but now don’t)
 
P.S. these numbers started with putin’s september and october 2025 details, and they align on the ones I now present (and find bizarre, this would mean AFU barely got 2 million in their army, out of what I thought would be a 4 million potential after migrations)
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2025 18:01 utc | 159

When are we going to realise that leaving foreign policy in the hands of resentful menopausal WEF protegés is a bad idea?

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 2 2025 18:04 utc | 160

Notice, the second the English started blowing up Russian in/out-bound tankers, the gloves came off in Odessa.  Note, that didn’t require “a collapse after attrition“…just a will to escalate one notch further….sheesh.
 
Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2025 17:51 utc | 157

 
But there hasn’t been a “big arrow” move toward Odessa, and if there’s going to be one, it looks like the Russians are working on attrition first.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2025 18:08 utc | 161

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2025 18:01 utc | 160
Der russische Botschafter in der UN sagte vor 1 Woche: Ukraine hat mehr als 1.750.000 Einheiten verloren
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 18:12 utc | 162

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2025 18:08 utc | 162
 
######
 
“Preparing the ground.”
 
A good way to reduce losses if/when a bigger battle occurs.
 
Also keeps pressure on the Banderites.
 
And who doesn’t like tweaking Nazis? 🙂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 2 2025 18:15 utc | 163

But there hasn’t been a “big arrow” move toward Odessa, and if there’s going to be one, it looks like the Russians are working on attrition first.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2025 18:08 utc | 162
 
No, look at the map. Google Earth View) Odessa is still too early for an attack without heavy losses. First, the routes must be secured. That’s not possible from the sea, because Russia doesn’t have that many ships there.
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 18:16 utc | 164

Подробности скандала о контрабанде оружия, ввезенного в Молдову из Украины. Власти обещают отставки
 
The sabotage-terror arms corridor Ukraine-Moldova-Türkiye with involvement of Israel … need reminding the same consortium supported Syrian terrorist Jolani in blitzkrieg to overthrow Bashar Al-Assad one year ago … seems like eternity. The Idlib based Khorasan group hired Tajiks for the Moscow City Hall terror strike. Earlier IS-K bombed the burial site of Soleimani during an commemoration in Januari 2024.
Turkey’s Evolving Geopolitical Strategy in the Black Sea
.. earlier in the week Fidan stated it’s Erdogan’s goal to speed up membership of  the EU. 

Posted by: Oui | Dec 2 2025 18:16 utc | 165

From Reuters
 
Russia says before talks with US it has fully captured city of Pokrovsk, Ukraine denies it
 
The SMO will be determined on the battlefield and in the end denials will be useless.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 2 2025 18:16 utc | 166

court ordered as with Nicaragua

Thank you Karl for bringing this up. Significant. 
 
ICJ case and judgement: Military and Paramilitary Activities in and against Nicaragua

Posted by: exile | Dec 2 2025 18:17 utc | 167

*** not following up on a breakthrough with ample reserves is not “big-arrow” stuff, it’s basic maneuver warfare. ***
Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 2 2025 17:51 utc | 157
 
Maybe I’m outside of my lane here, but Brucelov made this point a long time ago. Without pressure across a long line, a “breakthrough” just doesn’t appear out of nowhere. My argument was that western thinking stemming from WWII western front experience is that breakthrough opportunities do appear out of nowhere – that Germany was attritted to the point of collapse is just not a part of the thinking. My emphasis is on the Russian thinking that attrition precedes opportunity for maneuver. 
 
As far as the gloves coming off in Odessa, I see the Brit piracy as an escalation arising from the western realization as of a few weeks ago that a “breakthrough” – across poorly defended or indefensible steppe –  was realized to be more likely than not. Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are the only remaining fortresses. The model for this thinking I would suggest might be the retreat of Army Group South under Manstein on September 15, 1943. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 2 2025 18:19 utc | 168

When reading about Euronato posturing, I’m reminded of the predictive text that went “Blah, blah and….blah”.

Posted by: Squeeth | Dec 2 2025 18:21 utc | 169

that a “breakthrough” – across poorly defended or indefensible steppe
Posted by: frithguild | Dec 2 2025 18:19 utc | 169
 
Look the map – several rivers to cross, nothing steppe to Odessa, and before there is swamp

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 18:24 utc | 170

FWIW, @KimDotcom is reporting on X the following:

 

“BREAKING: Ukraine is developing nuclear weapons with the help of the UK and France. This is why the peace process takes so long. The US knows and it is playing on time. Ukraine is a US client state. If Trump wanted peace he would have it immediately. Russia is being played.”

 
Don’t know if it’s been verified. 

Posted by: spudski | Dec 2 2025 18:26 utc | 171

Newbie | Dec 2 2025 18:01 utc | 160
 
Thanks for your reply. I have a rough calculation of one Ukrainian casualty per minute 24/7/365 that I don’t try to parse into KIA/WIA, with replacements running at 50% of what’s required. What’s worse, is that making troops hold at all costs means few are retreating to the next line of defense to bolster that garrison and amplifies the desire to desert/surrender. Of course, I’ve advocated a strategic retreat to behind the Dnieper since the end of 2023 since then as now it’s abundantly clear NATO has no means to defeat Russia. The additional war over the last two years has caused massive destruction to Ukraine’s industrial capacity along with the additional casualties and forced migration. The inability to defeat the resistance in 2015 ought to have signaled Obama/Trump of the futility in attempting a military victory that Russia clearly would never allow. Yes, our hindsight is 20/20, but at the time the basic conditions were clear since the 2014 sanctions bomb aimed at Russia was worse than ineffective and prompted Russia to become self-sufficient, which is has in spectacular fashion.
 
As my imaginary Ukrainian states: The Outlaw US Empire’s policy ploy failed bigtime, and it’s well past time to admit it to the world.    

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 18:27 utc | 172

LoveDonbass, smartfox: Precisely. If there’s going to be a “big arrow” move on Odessa, it will have to be prepared with lots of attrition — which seems to be going on right now. This is more or less the opposite of what S Brennan says.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2025 18:27 utc | 173

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2025 18:27 utc | 174
In addition, Odessa has 2,500 km of underground tunnels with multiple exits. It would be very difficult to liberate, except with gas, and nobody wants that.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 18:32 utc | 174

The kicker is that the world does also value deception. Duality is necessary. How else to define honesty without knowing deceit? Light/dark. Love/hate. Peace/war.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 2 2025 15:40 utc | 84
 
In the end, it is your choice of whether you live on the light side of the moon, or the dark side of the moon.

Posted by: Original Newbie | Dec 2 2025 18:34 utc | 175

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 17:38 utc | 152
 
If I was an ordinary “ukrainian” and not mentally disabled, I would have an incredibly intense, lifelong hatred for the US/UK/EU and anything associated with them. I might be looking for any opportunity to damage them or go bolshevik/terrorist on them. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 2 2025 18:35 utc | 176

Der russische Botschafter in der UN sagte vor 1 Woche: Ukraine hat mehr als 1.750.000 Einheiten verloren
Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 18:12 utc | 163
English please (and most of all link to that, 1.7M is the files/hack number, never released, I also have a model with that just for KIA, but the latest numbers from putin and MoD don’t match it)
 
—————-
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 18:27 utc | 173
 
Don’t mention it, I’m currently eating crow, I spoke aboutr million KIA long ago and now putin and MoD proved me wrong
 
Yes holding the river (a year ago) might have created a draw

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2025 18:35 utc | 177

Posted by: MoodyBlues | Dec 2 2025 17:28 utc | 146
RF runs a neo-liberal system, inherited from Yeltsin, despite Putin’s protestations to having no ideology.
Putin has taken strategic industries back from the oligarchs and chucked them out of politics.
So they now have autocratic neo-liberalism. It may morph into something more social over time as the corpse of the West decomposes.
Putin’s Real Ideology.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Dec 2 2025 18:38 utc | 178

Current butt kicking of the NATO army in “ukraine”… 
 
Military Situation In Ukraine On December 2, 2025 (Maps Update) South Front

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 2 2025 18:42 utc | 179

smartfox | Dec 2 2025 18:24 utc | 171
 
Regarding Odessa, I’ve been in favor of a combined arms op since most AD was neutralized: A combined air-mobile and sea-bourne operation combined with an overland taskforce. Yes, there’s plenty of information I lack, but I’m certain the Russian General Staff has a small planning committee tasked to such an op. And with FABs now having a 200Km range and loitering drones now with 50Km+, the amount of support available has greatly increased since the end of 2022 when I first proposed the idea. However, I do expect to see the Kherson region erupt first to pull reserves from Odessa to it thus making Odessa an easier task.    

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 18:43 utc | 180

Update:
Martyanov just said that the Ukraine-nuke story is “BS.”

Posted by: spudski | Dec 2 2025 18:45 utc | 181

Posted by: spudski | Dec 2 2025 18:26 utc | 172
 
“BREAKING: Ukraine is developing nuclear weapons with the help of the UK and France. This is why the peace process takes so long. The US knows and it is playing on time. Ukraine is a US client state. If Trump wanted peace he would have it immediately. Russia is being played.”
 
 
When you add that the several manufacturers moving their European weapons plants and operations to Ukraine. The whole delay thing makes sense.. Right under Russia’s nose, all of the Western productive might is being used to build into Ukraine enough strength to defeat Russia..
 
I agree it looks as if this whole negotiation thing is about keeping Russia in the dark. 
 
 
The question now is what will Russia do it has no apparent options. If this turns out to be True, even a peace deal will not save Russia.
 
 
 Don’t know if it’s been verified. 

Posted by: snake | Dec 2 2025 18:47 utc | 182

If there’s going to be a “big arrow” move on Odessa, it will have to be prepared with lots of attrition — which seems to be going on right now. This is more or less the opposite of what S Brennan says.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2025 18:27 utc | 174
 
My basic argument here is that the tempo is about to change, with the Donbass fortresses prepared since 2014 falling away, much like the tempo changed for Army Group South in August/September 1943. The Blob wagered that the Donbass fortresses would not be attritited or fall. Odessa is the west’s prize – they have big plans there and their investors don’t want to take another loss.  Thus all the “diplomacy” now. Diplomacy will take time, but how much time will it take for the RF to get to Odessa? I think somewhere in the Blob they realize that time is running out. But like in the Colonial Theatre in Phoenixville, PA, the Blob moves slowly.  https://share.google/images/zValYIxk6aWu7tnZF
 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 2 2025 18:50 utc | 183

@ smartfox couldn’t find any real quote from Nebenzia and video did not include any 1.7 M reference
 
@karlof do you have his speech?
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2025 18:52 utc | 184

karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 18:43 utc |
https://voennoedelo.com/en/posts/id5309-nebenzya-ukraine-has-lost-over-1.7-million-troops
Russia’s UN envoy Vasily Nebenzya says leaked documents show Ukraine lost over 1.7 million troops and no longer responds to Moscow’s proposals, as Russian forces advance in Kupyansk and Vesyoloye.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 18:54 utc | 185

In addition, Odessa has 2,500 km of underground tunnels with multiple exits. It would be very difficult to liberate, except with gas, and nobody wants that.
 
Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 18:32 utc | 175

 
Another excellent argument for an attrition-first strategy.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2025 18:55 utc | 186

Posted by: exile | Dec 2 2025 16:32 utc | 122
mindboggling, sickening, as is, but do we really know what the budgets are? all kinds of black ops stuff, the nukes in the US are hidden in the Dept of Energy budget, we only see a part of the Intel budgets, etc. (Yes, the 3 letter agencies should be included in the full picture.) But wait there’s more:
 
isn’t the 1 trillion USM budget the *baseline* funding? and funding for ongoing military operations related procedures is appropriated in additional funding bills? so in the case of Ukraine, we must add into the budget the additional funds stolen, i mean appropriated, throughout the budget year. and so on for each theater of military operations. money for Iran, money for spy balloons, money for narco-boaters, money to harass China.
 
is that correct? we get a very conservative estimate from the published budgets of the gigantic swindle the Western MIC is. Senator Nancypants, Lindsay Graham, spoke truthfully on behalf of the US ruling class for the last 100 years when he boasted: killing Russians is the best business in the world, “best money we ever spent.” The Great Game vs Russia has been going on much longer in Europe, thank you Pope Whoever of the Northern Crusades.

Posted by: duck n cover | Dec 2 2025 18:59 utc | 187

Another excellent argument for an attrition-first strategy.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 2 2025 18:55 utc | 187
 
No, quite the opposite. With a foundation like that, wear and tear takes 10 years or more.
I don’t have any idea (yet) how to deal with that, but certainly not with wear and tear.
There is some experience from the war for Damascus, but here it is much more.
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 19:00 utc | 188

karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 18:43 utc |https://voennoedelo.com/en/posts/id5309-nebenzya-ukraine-has-lost-over-1.7-million-troopsRussia’s UN envoy Vasily Nebenzya says leaked documents show Ukraine lost over 1.7 million troops and no longer responds to Moscow’s proposals, as Russian forces advance in Kupyansk and Vesyoloye.
Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 18:54 utc | 186
 
I heard the youtube un address
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2B6DFndewI&ysclid=mioy2bo4lg720080753
 
, no reference, just half a dozen titles (some just tittle, no quote in text body) in some sites
 
either karloff finds the text or i’m calling it fake
 
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Dec 2 2025 19:02 utc | 189

My friend, you would not tell with such high zestTo children ardent for some desperate glory,The old Lie: Dulce et decorum estPro patria mori.
Posted by: frithguild | Dec 2 2025 16:11 utc | 103
 
Kudos. I always thought that Wilfred Owens sentiments were a good companion to John McCrae’s ‘ in Flanders Field’ which is on out $5 note up here in Canada. Maybe (in Bold) on the reverse side. At least equal time on Nov 11 ceremonies.

Posted by: Original Newbie | Dec 2 2025 19:02 utc | 190

I’d suggest the Italian gentleman pretend that a pre-emptive strike has been successfully executed, and then pre-emptively go hide in a bunker and successfully execute themselves, as a natural consequence of their preferred reality.

Posted by: Skiffer | Dec 2 2025 19:02 utc | 191

ChatNPC | Dec 2 2025 18:38 utc | 179
 
Russia’s political-economy is nowhere near close to anything neoliberal. It’s much closer today to a hybrid Soviet system where the main tool is people centered development. If Russia wee neoliberal, there’s no way that Sberbank would be publicly owned and Russia’s largest bank, and that’s only one example, although it’s the easiest. Did you read what Putin said at today’s Russia Calling! Forum? The focus as usual is investment–long-term investment. That isn’t what neoliberalism focuses on–it feeds on short-term returns and neglects long-term planning and doesn’t give a damn about the average person. 

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 19:03 utc | 192

Admiral Brancaleone

Posted by: Friul | Dec 2 2025 19:03 utc | 193

Martyanov just said that the Ukraine-nuke story is “BS.”
Posted by: spudski | Dec 2 2025 18:45 utc | 182

Well, who would have thought.  All parties involved are bound by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and a violation on that huge scale would trigger immediate global repercussions.  The Ukraine also lacks the industrial base, infrastructure and secrecy required for such a program, which would be visible to satellites within days: Hey, look who’s cookin’ Uranium!  If Moscow had credible evidence (and it would have it), it would have taken the issue to the UN Security Council long ago making big headlines with 57 varieties of spin.  And finally, the U.S. has ab-so-lute-ly no interest in allowing any client state (with one “exceptional” exception in the Mid East, of course) to pursue independent nuclear capabilities.

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 19:12 utc | 194

Mr A Hitler was a good MAN.. pro unification of the EU countries in the name of forever progress prosperity peace and life.. until the UK (City of London) becomes the enemy of the Germans and very well manipulated WAR between the USSR and Germany and the rest is history… Today is happening again. WAR against Russia and Ukraine and Belarus and POLAND leadership are pro extermination of anything Russian ASAP and that’s just the beginning of it.. The same City of London scums acting behind the scenes

Posted by: Friul | Dec 2 2025 19:13 utc | 195

spudski@172…….ukie nukie, likely getting ready for that big arrow Russian breakout everyone has been longing for. Once the Russians are out in open, in  Ukraine proper, they will nuke the Russians…… anyone know what Russia’s doctrine is if they get nuked in someone else’s country? Asking for a friend……
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 2 2025 19:20 utc | 196

https://iceland.news-pravda.com/en/world/2025/08/20/546.html
 
1,700,000 DEAD AND MISSING
 
0.08.2025, 12:59 GMT
 
Hackers from Killnet, Palach Pro, User Sec and Beregini stated that they managed to gain access to the data of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
 
According to the digital file, the Ukrainian army has lost 1,721,000 people killed and missing in three years.:
 
118.5 thousand — in 2022;
 
405.4 thousand — in 2023;
 
595 thousand in 2024.;
 
A record 621 thousand in 2025.
 
 
 
 

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 2 2025 19:22 utc | 197

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 19:03 utc | 193

Thanks, you beat me to it, but I wasn’t too inclined to answer him.  Maybe add that one core feature of neoliberalism is totally loose credit control.  The kind of lending and investing that was tied down following 1929 until the mid-90s when a series of “deregulation” allowed BlackRock to happen in the first place;  the loose credit controls which shipwrecked some U.S./Euro banks in the 2008 crisis, and which is bound to happen all over again sooner or later, but bigger and deadlier, because regulations may have been tightened by the letter of law, but not in practice thanks to new loop-holes, despite all the KYC and other red-tape nonsense.  Yet an increasing number of Americans, Brits and Germans is living way above their means.
 
How would that be possible with sensible regulation?  For average income Russians, it’s next to impossible to pay one credit card off with another.

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 2 2025 19:22 utc | 198

@ Posted by: Valerio del Bierzo | Dec 2 2025 14:02 utc | 42

because Vladimir of Moscow is a Zionist, so only the Russian and Ukrainian plebs would die.

What an utterly deranged claim. I’m more than willing to bet you’re from Middle East.

Posted by: taukey | Dec 2 2025 19:25 utc | 199

Newbie | Dec 2 2025 19:02 utc | 190
 
I recall Nebenzya making a statement about Ukie losses, but don’t recall the numbers nor do I have a copy of his statement. There are some published references to his statement. Here’s one. Here’s confirmation by Deputy Chief of the Russian Armed Forces’ Main Military-Political Department, Akhmat Special Forces Commander Lieutenant General Apty Alaudinov via TASS. There’re more hits attained from my Yandex search, but the two cited ought to be enough.
 
 

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2025 19:28 utc | 200