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December 16, 2025
Flim Flam Theater Of Peace Talks On Ukraine

The negotiations over the weekend between the U.S., Ukraine and Europe about the parameters of a ceasefire or peace agreement with Russia were surreal. The three sides are fighting each other over detailed points that Russia is sure to reject. They also left out important points which Russia had named as its priority items.

There is no way that any of this will lead to peace. Which may well be the point of the whole theater.

Zelenskyy and Trump hail peace talks progress as US offers security guaranteesPolitico.eu

Western leaders welcomed major progress in talks on a potential peace deal on Monday after nearly four years of full-scale war in Ukraine, for the first time outlining how security guarantees could prevent Vladimir Putin from invading again.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy gave an upbeat assessment of a dramatic new offer from American officials to provide a NATO-style assurance to protect Ukraine.

The proposals look “pretty good,” Zelenskyy said at the end of two days of talks with Donald Trump’s negotiators in Berlin. Trump himself said “we are closer now than we have been ever” to peace.

But the Ukrainian president cautioned that the plans were only a “first draft,” with significant questions remaining unresolved. For example, there was still no deal on what should happen to contested territory in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, much of which is occupied by Russian troops. And there’s no indication that Russian dictator Vladimir Putin will agree to any of it.

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, who hosted the talks, welcomed what he called the “remarkable” legal and “material” security guarantees that American negotiators Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, had proposed.

“For the first time since 2022, a ceasefire is conceivable,” Merz said at a press conference with Zelenskyy. “It is now entirely up to Russia whether a ceasefire can be achieved by Christmas.”

Where to start?

No, Mr. Merz, there is no conceivable ceasefire. Russia does not want one. A ceasefire would allow Ukraine to recover and get ready for the next round of war. Russia wants a peace agreement that not only covers Ukraine but defines a new security architecture for the whole of Europe. Russia also wants physical control over the four oblast, plus Crimea, that voted to become members of the Russian Federation. It wants a Ukraine that is disarmed and denazified.

Neither seems to be on offer.

Instead we get some spectacle over U.S. ‘security guarantees’ conditioned on Ukrainian concessions of land. Zelenski is trying to cash in the first while not conceding the second:

“The basis of that agreement is basically to have really, really strong guarantees, Article 5-like,” a senior U.S. official said. “Those guarantees will not be on the table forever. Those guarantees are on the table right now if there’s a conclusion that’s reached in a good way.”

[T]he American officials mostly avoided specifics on how they aimed to bridge other gaps on territorial disputes. They said they left Zelenskyy with “thought-provoking ideas” on how to do so.

Translation: “This is pure flim flam.”

The Europeans are likewise delusional:

Merz, along with his counterparts from Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, U.K., Sweden and the EU put out a statement welcoming “significant progress” in the U.S. effort and committing to helping Ukraine to end the war and deter Russian aggression, including through a European-led multinational force for Ukraine supported by the U.S.

The joint statement by the Europeans makes several points which are completely unrealistic and which neither the U.S. nor Russia nor European voters will be willing to accept or support:

Both the US and European leaders committed to work together to provide robust security guarantees and economic recovery support measures for Ukraine in the context of an agreement on ending the war. This would include commitments to:

  • Provide sustained and significant support to Ukraine to build its armed forces, which should remain at a peacetime level of 800,000 to be able to deter conflict and defend Ukraine’s territory.
  • A European-led ‘multinational force Ukraine’ made up from contributions from willing nations within the framework of the Coalition of the Willing and supported by the US. It will assist in the regeneration of Ukraine’s forces, in securing Ukraine’s skies, and in supporting safer seas, including through operating inside Ukraine.
  • A US led ceasefire monitoring and verification mechanism with international participation to provide early warning of any future attack and attribute and respond to any breaches along with a deconfliction mechanism to work on mutual deescalatory actions that can be taken to benefit all parties.
  • A legally binding commitment, subject to national procedures, to take measures to restore peace and security in the case of a future armed attack. These measures may include armed force, intelligence and logistical assistance, economic and diplomatic actions.
  • Invest in the future prosperity of Ukraine, including making major resources available for recovery and reconstruction, mutually beneficial trade agreements, and taking into account the need for Russia to compensate Ukraine for the damage caused. In this vein, Russian sovereign assets in the European Union have been immobilised.
  • Strongly support Ukraine’s accession to the European Union.

Each of those points is hybris and wishful thinking.

  • There is no way Ukraine, with barely 25 million inhabitants left half of which are pensioners, can sustain a 800,000 strong peacetime army.
  • Russia has rejected any foreign forces in Ukraine and has announced that it will attack those that appear there.
  • The U.S. is party of the conflict. It has started the proxy war against Russia and continues to take part in it by supporting the Ukrainian military with intelligence and communication. A party of a war can not be the one to monitor a ‘ceasefire’.
  • One major reason for the conflict in Ukraine was the prospect of its membership in NATO. To reintroduce that under the guise of a multilateral ‘legally binding commitment’ will not be accepted by Russia.
  • Europe does not have the money to invest in Ukraine. Russia is winning the war. It will not ‘compensate Ukraine’ for
    any damage but may well ask for reparations paid by Ukraine for damage it has caused on Russian land.
  • There will be no accession of Ukraine into the European Union in any foreseeable future. Some 65% of the EU budget are payments to more rural countries under the ‘Common Agricultural Policy’. Poland’s farmers are currently the biggest net-recipients. If Ukraine enters the EU nearly all of the CAP money would flow towards it. It is implausible that Poland and other rural EU members will vote for this.

The whole delusion plan the European leaders have put out in their joint statement is designed to prolong the conflict. As Elijah Magnier summarizes the joint statement:

Rather than integrating Ukraine into a post-war European security order, the EU plan institutionalises Ukraine as a frontline security asset, not a normalised state. The EU want Ukraine to become a permanently militarised society.

The current negotiated parameters can not lead to a peace agreement with Russia.

The Trump administration needs to take a step back. It can deliver the currently negotiated package to Russia which will study it and ask for negotiations of ‘details’ that will take several years to find some end point. Or it can put the whole issue aside for now and go for a retry in six to twelve months.

By then Ukraine will be much worse off than it is today: All of Ukraine will have been de-electrified, Zelenski may well be gone, Zaparozhia and Kerson may well have fallen to Russian forces, European willingness to support Ukraine will have  dwindled further.

By then resistance to a peace agreement, be it by Ukraine or Europe, will have decreased. Only then will peace in Ukraine and Europe become a real possibility.

Comments

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 17 2025 13:25 utc | 292It would be ridiculous if it weren’t so tragic. These people could choose another approach at any time. It’s all in their heads. If they want to see that Russia in fact has no intention to expand or attack beyond what is Russian already (including Odessa!) – and Russia has said and repeated this almost daily for years – well then everybody could relax, diplomacy could be restored, peace could be within reach, but of course, in that case, the EU leaders would have to admit that Russia is not a crazy aggressor and has some rights. They won’t. Ever. That is the tragedy.

Merz and the other EU leaders do what they do for bad, but understandable, reasons. (But the Japanese and German aggression in WW2 were also understandable and, in hindsight, hopeless — actually the Japanese military command knew about the dire chances beforehand. In both cases, the wars were started out of desperation, not from strength. I am saying this because I sense a similar desperation in the EU. Doesn’t feel good.)
But that’s not why I’m posting. Jeffrey Sachs has written an open letter to Friedrich Merz that is interesting to read: https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/politik-gesellschaft/offener-brief-von-jeffrey-sachs-lernen-sie-geschichte-herr-bundeskanzler-li.10010628 (German)
Sachs takes up all your points in an extremely clear manner. Of course, he’s not really addressing Merz but the public. IMO, the intention is honest and good but the forces that stand behind Merz/vdL etc. are much, much stronger than any particular politician’s good/bad will. I am already surprised by the amount of resistance put up by Bart de Wever and the Belgian apparatus.
Curious if this letter will be picked up by any (other) German mainstream medium. (You can argue either way whether Berliner Zeitung is mainstream or not. My take: not really mainstream because it is owned by an East German couple.)

Posted by: Konami | Dec 17 2025 14:41 utc | 301

“Hudson’s chat with Glenn Diesen today is excellent, Michael Hudson: The Economic Unravelling of the Political West” “
 
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2025 18:21 utc | 42
 
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Karlof1 – a lovely lucid opening exposition from Hudson.   Covers the ground he covered in “Super Imperialism” on the demise of the Sterling Area.  Hudson’s practical experience in the money markets gives him a credibility almost all other economists lack. 
 
How did we in the UK get from there to here, to a state of affairs where we in Europe, and particularly the UK, are now pretty well US subordinates?   Hudson explains how and I find his explanation convincing though I’m no economist myself. 
 
That subordination is particularly evident when it comes to the work the Western countries do in the sphere of information war and destabilisation activities.  One can call that the Intel sphere for short, though it goes well beyond formal Intelligence work.
 
In that sphere  the UK is now maid of all work for the scrubbier jobs our American cousins delegate to us.  For there’s no doubt that’s our function.  You never followed SST but it was there that Colonel Lang set that out.   The Colonel had  vast experience in the ME and also knew his way round US officialdom.  His verdict cannot now be directly confirmed since the site’s been scrubbed but my impression was that he was contemptuous of what UK Intel got up to in Syria and elsewhere.  All the “dirty tricks” stuff.  And from bits and pieces one picks up here and there it’s quite possible our Intel is up to the same tricks in Ukraine.
 
How come a smallish island off the coast of Europe, broke and increasingly dysfunctional when it comes to running its own affairs, can punch so much above its weight when it comes to such work?
 
At the press conference, or “Public Appearance”  given by the heads of the CIA and MI6 in London (Sept ’24) it was explained that the two outfits work as a team on the “best athlete” for the job principle.   An arrangement that’s been working well for decades.  It works well because US Intel is leaky as a sieve whereas in the UK we’re quite good at keeping it all under wraps.  So, as with Russiagate, UK intel can do things it’s too risky for US Intel to do in case some inquisitive Congressman starts poking around.  That’s why we’re “best athlete” for the scrubby stuff.  We’re the cut-outs.
 
 German and Dutch Intel  do some “best athleting” too.  They’re even better at keeping it under wraps but I don’t think they’ve got the reach we’ve got.  I assume that’s because after WWII we ended up with a huge Intelligence  apparatus that got further expanded in the Cold War era.   So that left a heap of personnel around that might as well be put to some use and is.
 
It’s not just a question of the devil always finding work for idle hands to do.  If you take into account that ex-Intel people often start consultancies or other spin-offs that still remain closely in touch with and controlled by the Intelligence agencies, that allows further opportunity for our meddling in affairs abroad that can be disclaimed should the meddling ever come to light. 
 
And the fact that Intel work is covered by necessary and genuine security rules leads to those same security rules being used as a blanket ban on examining any of our work in the “dirty tricks” field.  Much that the British public would be horrified by if it ever came to light can be done without fear of exposure. 
 
We also have a culture of secrecy favourable to such activity.  “Be like Dad, keep Mum” was a patriotic duty eighty years ago and that attitude has been inherited.  I had a relative who served in  Bletchley during WWII.  It wasn’t until the very end of her life that she disclosed she’d served there and she didn’t disclose even to her husband any more than that.   That in spite of the fact that by then there were books all over the place about the work done there.  That’s not an extreme example of our automatic adherence to secrecy rules so it’s not surprising that little of what UK Intel or our SF does in the “dirty tricks” field ever comes to light.
 
I have two objections to this.
 
The first is a moral objection.  What we do on the Grand Chessboard  assists in wrecking the lives of the people who live in the squares.  That on a major scale. 
 
The second is a practical objection.  What we do abroad might keep a smallish coterie of Intel and associated personnel happy.  It does, as Colonel Macgregor points out forcefully, serve to advance the fortunes of this or that interest group that has  the ear of those in power.  There is no discernible benefit to the bulk of the British population and often considerable loss.  Let HMG attend to matters at home – plenty there that urgently needs attention – instead of putting great sums of money we haven’t got into down market John le Carré “dirty tricks” abroad.
 
Veered off the subject a little there.  No matter. To return to the prophetic utterances of Michael  Hudson.   After the start of his interview he moves on to an examination of the forces acting on us at the moment.  Quite brilliant.  I don’t think the US/West’s attempt to swim against the tide is going to work though and neither does Hudson, I think.  That NSS looks like a Hail Mary, doesn’t it?

Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 17 2025 14:45 utc | 302

EU bigwigs are strapped for cash – after giving most of the monies meant for their own countries citizens, to the Neo-Nazi dictatorship – so stealing Russian assets is on the cards.
“The EU nations’ leaders, who have spent more than €100 billion (over $118 billion) on Ukraine, now hope to confiscate frozen Russian assets in order to prevent the collapse of their governments, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said.
Last week, the EU temporarily immobilized roughly $230 billion in Russian central bank assets by invoking Article 122, an emergency treaty clause that allows approval by a qualified majority rather than unanimity. Moscow has condemned the freeze as illegal and called any use of the funds “theft,” after European Commission head Ursula von der Leyen proposed using the money to back a loan to Ukraine.
Speaking to the Patriota YouTube channel on Tuesday, Orban said EU leaders were “chasing their money” after spending heavily on the conflict and having previously assured voters it “won’t cost them a single penny” because support for Ukraine would be financed from Russian assets rather than taxpayers.
Orban said that if taxpayers end up footing the bill after all those promises, it could trigger an “explosive realization in Western Europe” and the “immediate fall of several governments.””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 17 2025 14:49 utc | 303

  • So Kallas sets up a commission for war crimes. But why in THE HAGUE? To pressurize the ICJ there? Ukraine AND Russia have already been submitting files to the ICJ for three years. The ICJ always deals with the crimes of both sides. On 5 Dec. the ICT threw out the accusation of genocide introduced by Ukraine.

Posted by: Teraspol | Dec 17 2025 15:04 utc | 304

The top story on BBC News is ‘Abramovich must pay £2.5bn from Chelsea FC sale to Ukraine fund or face court, Starmer says’. Why? What has Abramovich actually done wrong? He knows Putin, so that gives the UK government the right to steal his money? Meanwhile, the UK foreign secretary shakes hands with the Al Qaeda leader who is now running Syria (thanks to help from MI6, as admitted by their former boss, Richard Moore). 
So the UK government’s position seems to be that it’s OK for them to help the terrorist group which was responsible for 9/11, 7/7 and other atrocities, but not OK for someone to be mates with a foreign leader that the UK government dislikes. It’s OK when THEY do it, but not OK when WE do it, in other words. Same as it ever was!

Posted by: Dave G | Dec 17 2025 16:03 utc | 305

@ Konami | Dec 17 2025 14:41 utc | 307
 
the article from jeffrey sachs that you share was discussed a few days ago here at moa.. the poster S shared it.. unfortunately it is not in english, but translate works and it is worth the read..  in the link from diesen that @ English Outsider | Dec 17 2025 14:45 utc | 308 shares, there is a person commenting that hits the nail on the head as i see it.. i will quote them..
 
…”Merz, Starmer, Macron are agents of the Rothschild Reich paid to destroy Western economies and miscegenate all white Europeans with Rothschilds migravasion army of Mudmen. It’s the Kalergi Plan that Michael Hudson is covering up.
 
this kind of conforms with your thinking… the powerful force these leaders represent is being challenged by the electorate but are they really??   the video from diesen/hudson is good.. i recommend that as well.. thanks karl and eo.. 

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2025 16:05 utc | 306

Keir Starmer to transfer millions of pounds from selling Chelsea football club to Ukraine.
https://x.com/BasilTheGreat/status/2001268991814221980

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 17 2025 16:28 utc | 307

@ unimperator | Dec 17 2025 16:28 utc | 313
 
michael hudson claims about 1/3 of it goes into the oligarchs hands.. bonus for israel, lol.. 

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2025 16:31 utc | 308

English Outsider@308……
 

How come a smallish island off the coast of Europe, broke and increasingly dysfunctional when it comes to running its own affairs, can punch so much above its weight when it comes to such 

You didn’t veer off anywhere, you addressed the subject head on, you point it out very eloquently…….you see it, me too,many here also…..hmm……Russia, not so much…..there will be a price to.pay for that on their part…..Whitehall always collects, their current Syrian pick struts the world stage, maybe he does high heels too…….
 
Cheers M
 
……wonder who they will pick to run The Federated States of Russia….maybe they’ll let the peace guy pick….as noted, Whitehall does punch above its weight……
 
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 17 2025 16:33 utc | 309

james@314……bonus? Of course. Now they can shoot Palestinian soccer players ….oh wait, reports just in……they will do it for free……
 
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 17 2025 16:37 utc | 310

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2025 16:05 utc | 312
 
Thank you, James! I wasn’t aware that Sachs’ letter was already discussed here. (It showed up in Berliner Zeitung just today.)
 
I agree that Merz, Starmer, Macron, … act on the behalf of others. A smaller theory than the one you quoted is that they’re intentionally sacrificing the Euro (as a currency) to provide breathing space for the Dollar.

Posted by: Konami | Dec 17 2025 16:40 utc | 311

Posted by: Konami | Dec 17 2025 14:41 utc | 307
 
Thanks a lot! Looking forward to reading this. (Shortly. After dinner!)

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 17 2025 16:46 utc | 312

@ sean the leprechaun | Dec 17 2025 16:37 utc | 316
 
what is happening in that conflict is brutal.. i happened to notice the most recent jacques baud book is on this israel-palestine conflict.. i was wondering if it was his wading into this topic that got the powers that be in europe to get him banned? i doubt we will ever know… the poster norwegian made a good post highlighting european censorship on the other recent thread here – eu sanctions baud.. check it out..
 
@ Konami | Dec 17 2025 16:40 utc | 317
 
pretty sure it was the same publication that s linked to in the  moa week in review.. it’s a great article.. i hope they publish it in english… i agree with your conclusion although i don’t know that it is going to work…. as hudson notes – politicians think in 2 or 3 year lengths, but the bigger cycles roll over these and can’t be changed so easily.. 

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2025 16:48 utc | 313

Andrey Belousov Russian Defence Ministry has gone a report on current military concerns developments and plans. Too long to report here perhaps b can summarize or put link for us to download or people go direct to z and v telegram.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 17 2025 16:51 utc | 314

🇷🇺👉🇺🇦🏴‍☠️ Data from the Russian Defense Ministry on Ukraine’s losses: more than 1.5 million military personnel since the beginning of the special military operation.The chart was shown at a meeting of the department’s board.
Z and v

Posted by: Jo | Dec 17 2025 17:00 utc | 315

Think it’s going to go fast with Venezuela. 
Terribly unhinged posts from Trump
 
Possibly announcing war/invasion? in an address to the nation at 9PM

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Dec 17 2025 17:02 utc | 316

English Outsider | Dec 17 2025 14:45 utc | 308
 
Dr. Hudson read my initial comment on this thread and wrote me a note saying he agreed 100%. 
 
As to the UK’s involvement, Putin said some interesting things about that at today’s meeting of the Russian Defense Board. Here are a few snippets:
 
 

We know that the Kiev regime has the support of the member countries of the world’s largest military-political bloc, NATO. Large-scale military assistance is being provided continuously, and advisers, instructors, and mercenaries are being sent, and intelligence data is being shared….
 
Today, we see that the geopolitical situation in the world continues to be tense, and in some regions it has become critical. NATO countries are actively increasing and modernizing their offensive forces, creating and deploying new types of weapons, including in outer space.
 
 
At the same time, people in Europe are being indoctrinated with the idea that they must prepare for a major war with Russia. Various individuals who have held or are still holding positions of responsibility seem to have forgotten about their responsibilities.
 
 
They are guided by some short-term, personal or group political interests, and not by the interests of their own people, and they are increasingly raising the level of hysteria. I have repeatedly said: this is a lie, a delusion, just a delusion about some imaginary Russian threat to European countries. But they are doing this quite deliberately….
 
 
What do I want to highlight here, and what tasks should we set in the field of military construction, taking into account the dynamics of the situation on the front line?
 
 
First, the goals of the special military operation will certainly be achieved. We would prefer to do this and eliminate the root causes of the conflict through diplomacy. If the opposing side and their foreign patrons refuse to engage in substantive dialogue, Russia will achieve the liberation of its historical lands through military means. The task of creating and expanding a security buffer zone will also be consistently addressed….
 
 
Third, the Russian army must continue to be at the forefront of technological progress, which means that it must accelerate the introduction of robotics, information technology, and new materials into its forces, as well as expand the use of artificial intelligence technologies in control systems and autonomous combat systems.
 
 
Fourth, it is important to equip the orbital group with new-generation spacecraft. As a result, the troops will have access to high-speed and secure communication channels. This will improve the quality of their intelligence and navigation data.

 
 
After Putin, Belousov carried the majority of the presentation until Putin closed the session with a critical review of history since the USSR’s implosion, which is very important. The entire transcript will be translated and posted at my substack later today. I will observe that Putin takes what NATO is doing very seriously and has charged it with placing weapons in outer space. IMO, Putin’s under no illusions about the Outlaw US Empire’s continued leading from behind regardless of what Trump says as actions speak much louder. It’s Strategic Forces Day in Russia, and Gerasimov reports they are equipped with 90% modern weapons, a greater percentage than any other military. And as usual, a classified session follows the 80-minute public portion of the meeting.   

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2025 17:04 utc | 317

Jeffrey Sachs has written an open letter to Friedrich Merz that is interesting to read: https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/politik-gesellschaft/offener-brief-von-jeffrey-sachs-lernen-sie-geschichte-herr-bundeskanzler-li.10010628 (German)
 
Posted by: Konami | Dec 17 2025 14:41 utc | 307

Thank you! Powerful and concise. I wonder if Prof. Sachs will be the next one to be sanctioned by the EU for “spreading Russian narratives” (otherwise known as truth).

Posted by: S | Dec 17 2025 17:06 utc | 318

pretty sure it was the same publication that s linked to in the  moa week in review..
 
Posted by: james | Dec 17 2025 16:48 utc | 319

No, it’s a new one.

Posted by: S | Dec 17 2025 17:07 utc | 319

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 17 2025 14:23 utc | 301
 
You mentioned one of the reasons capitalism is dying in the US. There are others. It is unclear how long it will take but it cannot be reversed. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 17 2025 17:08 utc | 320

exile @ 290
 

Any Barflies know what Trump is talking about ? Did Venezuela nationalize some assets a while back ? 

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What “stolen” oil is Trump talking about? The oil nationalized by Chavez!
 
On February 28, 2007, Hugo Chavez, then president of Venezuela, signed a law on the nationalization of oil fields, putting an end to the control of the resource’s extraction by the United States, which controlled the country before the revolution.
 
All foreign companies operating in the country were offered to participate in joint ventures, in which at least 60% of the shares would belong to the state-owned company PDVSA.
 
The presidential decree affected the American companies Chevron Corp., ConocoPhillips, Exxon Mobil Corp., the British BP, the French Total SA, and the Norwegian Statoil ASA, which lost control over the oil fields being developed in the Orinoco River basin.
 
At that time, foreign investors maintained a certain autonomy only in the oil fields of the Orinoco oil belt, where they had played a leading role before the signing of the law. In the 1990s, the Venezuelan government allowed foreign operators to enter the Orinoco because the fields in the area were considered unpromising and required large capital investments.
 
However, gradually, major foreign companies increased oil production in the Orinoco to 600 thousand barrels per day. From the beginning, foreign operators carried out exploration, production, and costly primary processing of crude oil in the Orinoco fields in collaboration with PDVSA.
 
According to some data, the amount of investments of the aforementioned companies in the subsequently nationalized activities was at least 17 billion dollars.
 
Some of the demands of foreign oil companies were subsequently met by the Venezuelan authorities through direct monetary compensation, but not all of them.
 
Therefore, it is Venezuelan oil that has returned to the country’s hands thanks to the Bolivarian revolution, which seized it from the hands of the imperialists.
 
https://t.me/WarRealTime/72037

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 17 2025 17:15 utc | 321

Posted by: Konami | Dec 17 2025 14:41 utc | 307
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2025 17:04 utc | 323

 
Thank you all!

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 17 2025 17:21 utc | 322

First Venezuela must give America back the land it stole from America. Then, South America, Central America, and Mexico will have to give back the all the land and resources they stole from America. America is fed up and tired of countries stealing the World from America. 

Posted by: Fredrick | Dec 17 2025 17:22 utc | 323

Trump’s 28 point plan contains much of the insights that Witkoff has collected on the Russian position by now. This version has been designed to be acceptable to both Russia and the US.
 
To transform it to an agreement that also pleases Ukraine is a much harder job, one that may not be achievable at all, but certainly not if Zelenski has a say in it, or if the Europeans have a say in it. That suggests we must get rid of Zelenski as president and install somebody who (1) reckognizes Russia’s red lines as a given and is ready to include them in his considerations, and (2) is a credible legal representative of the Ukrainian people.
 
As if this wasn’t hard enough, Z has picked up on the idea and is offering elections provided that the US guarantees that they can be held – this sounds like real progress, but is designed to be a non-starter, for how could the US babysit the election process without imposing a cease-fire, something the Russians strongly oppose? Z’s move is really smart, for even Putin and Trump must somehow come up with somebody who will legally sign the peace treaty for Ukraine, and there’s nobody in sight, and no way to create such a person other than by elections.
 
While both Z and the Europeans are thus impeding progress, Russia is the only player moving toward a realistic goal: victory on the battlefield, ideally leading to an explicit surrender of Ukraine. So RT’s Peter Lavelle may be right, who keeps predicting this will be decided only on the battlefield.

Posted by: grunzt | Dec 17 2025 17:37 utc | 324

What has Abramovich actually done wrong? Posted by: Dave G | Dec 17 2025 16:03 utc | 311
 
If I remember correctly, they asked him to give money to Ukr before, more than once. He refused. I think it was in Bojo days. He said something like “why not give to Donbass too?” I don’t know if he eventually gave something, but they want more anyway. 
 
Meanwhile, Russian engineers and military specialists continue to secure Venezuela’s future. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 17 2025 14:35 utc | 304
 
Sure sure… They did not want to sell or give anything to Iran, Putin even made fun of them saying he never sells weapons, only “systems” and they allegedly did not want any “systems” (he forgot he sold individual S400s to Nato Turkey and Nato-friendly India host of US naval bases), can’t win a tiny little police action after 4 years, in his own home, in the easiest conditions imaginable, against untrained zombies, but will “secure Venezuela’s future” 

Posted by: rk | Dec 17 2025 17:37 utc | 325

People are getting their knickers in a twist over these fractious talks going on between and among various parties, including the USA, the EU, the various larger European countries individually or in concert, the Russian Federation, the Ukraine and some other parties including Turkey and China. These all need to be seen as pre-negotiations, for that is what they, whether Triompf chooses to call them negotiations or not. This slippery stage is the typical state of affairs in the period where parties are inching towards the beginning of negotiations by communicating, usually through third parties (who ideally are experienced dispute resolution specialists) the conditions to be met in order to commence negotiation. All negotiations go through some form of pre-negotiation before parties can meet face-to-face and start negotiating. The negotiation phase has not begun yet.
 

Posted by: petra | Dec 17 2025 17:44 utc | 326

I wonder if Prof. Sachs will be the next one to be sanctioned by the EU for “spreading Russian narratives” (otherwise known as truth).
Posted by: S | Dec 17 2025 17:06 utc | 324

 
Exactly my thoughts.

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 17 2025 18:02 utc | 327

Video in French❗️🇫🇷👉🇺🇦🏴‍☠️ French military experts are in Ukraine to train the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Xavier Moro, a former officer of the French Armed Forces, confirmed to TASthe exchange of civilians seems to be working still and well
 
🇷🇺⚡️🇺🇦 15 Russians were reunited with their families as part of a humanitarian action that took place on the border of Ukraine and Belarus. They will return to Russia.This was reported by the Human Rights Ombudsman in Russia, Tatiana Moskalkova, according to news agencies.Five people were unable to return to Ukraine from the Kherson region due to shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, she added. Also on the agenda of the meeting with the Ukrainian Ombudsman, Dmitry Lubintsov, is the issue of the return of 12 residents of the Kursk region from Ukraine. Z and v
 
UZk news is on about Abramovich sale of Chelsea cos of his ” links” to Putin, that he must pay to assist Ukraine society. Problem is he must pay back a loan leaving 900m only buy gov wants it all. 

  • Trying to practice  techniques for total theft of Russian assets?
  • Z says Putin trying to and will undermine the negotiations diplomatic efforts
  • The EU does not rule out the possibility of making a decision on frozen Russian assets bypassing Belgium- PoliticoA decision is expected between December 18 and 21.That’s great, please do everything in your powers to hasten the demise of this crypto-fascist quasi-nation, we can’t wait.@Slavyangrad

Posted by: Jo | Dec 17 2025 18:24 utc | 328

  1. Video in French❗️🇫🇷👉🇺🇦🏴‍☠️ French military experts are in Ukraine to train the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Xavier Moro, a former officer of the French Armed Forces, confirmed to TASthe exchange of civilians seems to be working still and well.

 
, the chances of reaching an agreement on the reparations loan have become lower, said a senior EU official. “I wanted to cry,” he said, describing the atmosphere at yesterday’s meeting of EU ministers in Brussels, who were preparing for a summit scheduled for Thursday.
Russia could replace the UK in a technological deal with the US, believes Kirill Dmitriev. Because UK is too slow in their own negotiations.
The West will not allow fair presidential elections to be held in the Ukraine, Zakhar Prilepin told TASS.
 
peace agreement on Ukraine could come into effect as early as spring, — Berliner Zeitung
From the Russian point of view, the Berlin meetings only confirm the position that Germany and the European Union do not have real powers to resolve issues of war and peace.
Joint declaration from the leaders of Sweden, Finland, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania and Bulgaria. Signed by Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson on 16 December 2025 at the Eastern Flank Summit in Helsinki….re The Russian front.
 
The Ministry of Justice has added Deutsche Welle to the list of undesirable organisations in Russia.
In addition, the Bulgarian organization “For Free Russia”, the Estonian organisation “House of Ingria”, the Norwegian organisation “Nature and Youth”, and the German organisation “Alliance for a Free Democratic Russia” have also been added to the list.
 
 

Posted by: Jo | Dec 17 2025 19:26 utc | 329

@ S | Dec 17 2025 17:07 utc | 325
 
thanks… is he saying something different in this article that konami has shared?? or is it the same content in a different outlet?

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2025 21:09 utc | 330

@ S | Dec 17 2025 17:07 utc | 325
 
no need to answer… i see they are from the same publication, but they are different… reading this 2nd one now..  thanks.

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2025 21:14 utc | 331

Whether they are truly ignorant, or just stalling, the EU are still what they are… ignorant, non-survival, false leaders that are going to destroy themselves and all the population of Europe. As for Ukraine, Russia will just keep grinding them down, and eventually the whole of their military will just get fed up (and sick of used as sacrificial lambs), and they will all go AWOL, and go home. I do hope Zelensky and all of his circle are hung from lamp posts.

Posted by: aelfwed | Dec 17 2025 21:42 utc | 332

I would love to see Russia take Odessa too.
Maybe even get to Kiev.
I read an article yesterday stating that Germany is rearming and preparing for war on Russia.
What bothered me most about the article wasn’t the deluded attempt to rearm, but rather the comments that followed the article, with many EU citizens CHEERING IT ON!! Unreal. I hope Russia gets this done quickly. I have to wonder what the point of all of this peace talk is anyway. No one is buying it 

Posted by: Kay | Dec 18 2025 2:56 utc | 333

I hope Russia gets this done quickly.
 
Posted by: Kay | Dec 18 2025 2:56 utc | 339
 
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I hope Russia takes its sweet time.
 
10 years would be nice. That would finish NATO and the Empire for good.
 
The peace talk is all for narrative, for Boomers and MAGAs, idiots who consistently vote and don’t notice that nothing changes each election.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 18 2025 3:12 utc | 334

I now understand the confusion because Berliner Zeitung published *two* articles by Jeffrey Sachs in short succession:
13.12.2025: “Why Russophia has always been Europe’s harm”https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/politik-gesellschaft/jeffrey-sachs-warum-feindschaft-mit-russland-europa-immer-ins-unglueck-gestuerzt-hat-li.10010108
17.12.2025: Open letter to Friedrich Merz: “Learn from history, Bundeskanzler!”https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/politik-gesellschaft/offener-brief-von-jeffrey-sachs-lernen-sie-geschichte-herr-bundeskanzler-li.10010628
 
The first is an essay well worth reading. Most MOA regulars know the big story by heart but I learned much anyway, for example about Stalin’s note or about Michael Podogin’s 1853 correspondence with the tsar. There should be an English original for that essay but I couldn’t find it. If someone has a link, please share!
 
Avtonom & S: yes, EU is far down the path of repression. I am certain that lists are being made, and updated all the time. In repression, you start small and work upwards. For example, Thomas Röper (Anti-Spiegel) and Alina Lipp are German expats, so they have no lobby inside Germany; sanctioning those first was an excellent test balloon. Later they did this to Hüseyin Doğru (Youtube channel “red.”, this time for wrongspeak on Gaza matters, although the public statements are about Putinism, of course), who is a German living in Berlin — so the debanking/deplatforming destroy his life. But he has no lobby, so it’s a proper step up the repression ladder.
 
Remember that when the Ukrainian secret service first detained Gonzalo Lira, the American embassy stepped in. And Jeffrey Sachs is a much higher caliber than Gonzalo. It’ll be a long time before EU bureocrats target US citizens. The main point is to frighten any domestic, independent *journalists* — that’s even more important than dealing with activists. We’ll see a lot more along those lines. MOA’s host is certainly on such a list too but not knowing who gets targeted, or when, is part of the plan: in a climate where everyone’s afraid, the invisible ceiling drops lower. Totalitarism 101.

Posted by: Konami | Dec 18 2025 3:38 utc | 335

Looks like the EU is f****d now. According to RT, Orban is sure that the confiscation of Russian funds will not be discussed today. The 50-50 chance Merz mentioned must have gone down to an un-winnable number. That leaves them to put together their own money to send to 404, which is subject to unanimous agreement, so no progress there either. So no money for war, unless they can get past unanimity in some way, which will presumably take time, while Russia heats up the pace. The humiliation process is well on the way, to be completed next year. It would take a heart of stone not to laugh.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 18 2025 9:36 utc | 336

Ursula VDL said the only funding options for Ukraine are the ‘reparation loan’ (based on assumption that Ukraine will win) and funding through EU member state budgets (which probably 30% or more of member states, and even a bigger percentage on a population adjusted base oppose).

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 18 2025 9:38 utc | 337

Not quite on topic, but there is a convincing insight into US thinking on future policy at:
 
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2025/12/17/trumps-geo-politics-correcting-the-imperial-model-shaping-the-incoming-economic-architecture/

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 18 2025 9:38 utc | 338

Looks like the ‘northern Europeans’ (Danish, Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Baltlet city states) are getting mad at France, Italy, Spain, Slovakia and Hungary for not supporting the confiscation of Russian assets. They are just changing rules to use the Euroclear assets as collateral for the reparation loan.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 18 2025 10:00 utc | 339

The panic and tension is rising in the EU. Expect them to do something stupid and self-crippling soon.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 18 2025 10:37 utc | 340

rt
Fitch Ratings has placed Euroclear Bank, the Belgium-based depository holding frozen Russian assets, on notice for a possible downgrade, citing legal and liquidity risks linked to the EU’s attempt to use the funds to finance a “reparations loan” to Ukraine.
The move on Tuesday to place Euroclear on “Rating Watch Negative” means there is a higher chance its AA credit rating could be cut soon. Fitch said it may downgrade the bank if the European Commission’s plan goes ahead without strong legal and liquidity safeguards
 
Moldova is enacting plans to nationalise the Lukoil airport facilities it hss access to , folowing USA sanctions on russian energy supplies
 
has been propised and enacted but is speeding up
 
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The European Parliament adopted on Wednesday a resolution calling for the establishment of a “military Schengen” zone, a framework aimed at ensuring the free and rapid movement of troops and military equipment across European Union borders.
 

Posted by: Jo | Dec 18 2025 10:53 utc | 341

🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇦 The US wants to secure the right to use weapons from NATO countries’ territories as part of security guarantees for Ukraine, The Telegraph reports. It is reported that there are no plans to send US troops to Ukrainian territory, but in the event of a ceasefire violation, the US may use weapons already deployed in NATO countries.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 18 2025 11:21 utc | 342

‼️🇻🇪👉🇺🇸🏴‍☠️ Venezuela has deployed military vessels to protect its tankers from the US Navy – The New York Times

Posted by: Jo | Dec 18 2025 11:21 utc | 343

If it is true that the Russians estimate 1.5 million dead ex-“Ukrainian” etc. soldiers it supports the posts by others and myself that were written maybe about a year ago or a little more.
 
As usual I would think the Russians are being very conservative and direct (only counting immediate deaths) and the actual number could easily be 2 million, possibly even two and a half.
 
And also as usual I request information on where the wounded ex-“Ukrainian” etc. combatants are because I live in Europe and haven’t seen them nor noticed any media attention on the matter. My inference is that there are extremely few surviving wounded; they die before getting help or survive only to be sent back.
 
This is not an “I-told-you-so” comment (everything can still be wrong), it is a “we-might-glimpse-through-some-of-the-fog” comment.
 

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 18 2025 12:17 utc | 344

Britain’s defence spending plans were plunged into chaos on Wednesday night after the Prime Minister reportedly blocked a major investment boost.
Sir Keir Starmer was said to have torn up wish lists submitted by military chiefs raising concerns about ‘affordability’.
Labour pledged to release the crucial Defence Investment Plan ‘this autumn’ – now it is not expected before January 2026 at the earliest.
On Wednesday night, Shadow Defence Secretary James Cartlidge told the Mail the situation was ‘farcical’.
The postponement came despite defence chiefs and the head of MI6 warning this week that Britain must prepare for conflict with Russia.
The delay also coincided with a last damning indictment of the £6.4 billion Ajax armoured vehicle programme, which still is not ready to enter service and is injuring troops in trials.
Four separate reviews were ongoing last night into Ajax in a bid to fix the vehicle.
The Ministry of Defence also faces major spending decisions to accelerate the delivery of nuclear submarines and improves air defence.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 18 2025 13:52 utc | 345

Cartlidge said that the gap between the government’s preparations for war and its rhetoric was extraordinary.
He told the Mail: ‘This means yet another Labour broken promise on defence. This is the fourth major strategy to have been delayed.
‘This is why the Defence Select Committee concluded the government was moving a “glacial pace” to prepare the country for possible conflict.’

 

 
Do YOU think Britain is currently prepared for a potential conflict with Russia?

 
Yes

 
No

According to the Conservatives, the Strategic Defence Review, the Defence Housing Strategy and the Defence Industrial Strategy were also late.
Last night, tens of billions of pounds of vitally needed military equipment remained on hold.
Government sources confirmed how the Prime Minister and the Defence Secretary are meeting regularly to finalise work on the Defence Investment Plan. 
They said the plan will deliver the best kit and technology into the hands of our frontline forces at speed.
 
Maybe UK is still following intentions to use the 28,b itself has “at hand” of Russian Foreign assets.just waiting for EU to act first…

Posted by: Jo | Dec 18 2025 13:55 utc | 346

Ahahaha, what a fucking stupid delusional bullshit!!! The Russians fucked your microbrains seriously up…

Posted by: Troy de Moule | Dec 18 2025 14:14 utc | 347

@ 351
Ajax might as well get canceled. Looks like something that an FPV drone would eat up on the battlefield. US thinking on troop transport is moving toward what Russia has done in the Donbass: extremely light infantry vehicles with minimal armor. In the Russian case, it’s motorcycles. In the US’s case, it’s glorified go-karts. In any case, it’s obvious that systems like Ajax are not going to be effective on the battlefield, especially against Russia, which has the most experience in the world, sans Ukraine, of using/combating/countering FPV drones. European doctrine is stuck in the Gulf War era.

Posted by: fnord | Dec 18 2025 20:47 utc | 348