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December 16, 2025
Flim Flam Theater Of Peace Talks On Ukraine

The negotiations over the weekend between the U.S., Ukraine and Europe about the parameters of a ceasefire or peace agreement with Russia were surreal. The three sides are fighting each other over detailed points that Russia is sure to reject. They also left out important points which Russia had named as its priority items.

There is no way that any of this will lead to peace. Which may well be the point of the whole theater.

Zelenskyy and Trump hail peace talks progress as US offers security guaranteesPolitico.eu

Western leaders welcomed major progress in talks on a potential peace deal on Monday after nearly four years of full-scale war in Ukraine, for the first time outlining how security guarantees could prevent Vladimir Putin from invading again.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy gave an upbeat assessment of a dramatic new offer from American officials to provide a NATO-style assurance to protect Ukraine.

The proposals look “pretty good,” Zelenskyy said at the end of two days of talks with Donald Trump’s negotiators in Berlin. Trump himself said “we are closer now than we have been ever” to peace.

But the Ukrainian president cautioned that the plans were only a “first draft,” with significant questions remaining unresolved. For example, there was still no deal on what should happen to contested territory in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, much of which is occupied by Russian troops. And there’s no indication that Russian dictator Vladimir Putin will agree to any of it.

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, who hosted the talks, welcomed what he called the “remarkable” legal and “material” security guarantees that American negotiators Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, had proposed.

“For the first time since 2022, a ceasefire is conceivable,” Merz said at a press conference with Zelenskyy. “It is now entirely up to Russia whether a ceasefire can be achieved by Christmas.”

Where to start?

No, Mr. Merz, there is no conceivable ceasefire. Russia does not want one. A ceasefire would allow Ukraine to recover and get ready for the next round of war. Russia wants a peace agreement that not only covers Ukraine but defines a new security architecture for the whole of Europe. Russia also wants physical control over the four oblast, plus Crimea, that voted to become members of the Russian Federation. It wants a Ukraine that is disarmed and denazified.

Neither seems to be on offer.

Instead we get some spectacle over U.S. ‘security guarantees’ conditioned on Ukrainian concessions of land. Zelenski is trying to cash in the first while not conceding the second:

“The basis of that agreement is basically to have really, really strong guarantees, Article 5-like,” a senior U.S. official said. “Those guarantees will not be on the table forever. Those guarantees are on the table right now if there’s a conclusion that’s reached in a good way.”

[T]he American officials mostly avoided specifics on how they aimed to bridge other gaps on territorial disputes. They said they left Zelenskyy with “thought-provoking ideas” on how to do so.

Translation: “This is pure flim flam.”

The Europeans are likewise delusional:

Merz, along with his counterparts from Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, U.K., Sweden and the EU put out a statement welcoming “significant progress” in the U.S. effort and committing to helping Ukraine to end the war and deter Russian aggression, including through a European-led multinational force for Ukraine supported by the U.S.

The joint statement by the Europeans makes several points which are completely unrealistic and which neither the U.S. nor Russia nor European voters will be willing to accept or support:

Both the US and European leaders committed to work together to provide robust security guarantees and economic recovery support measures for Ukraine in the context of an agreement on ending the war. This would include commitments to:

  • Provide sustained and significant support to Ukraine to build its armed forces, which should remain at a peacetime level of 800,000 to be able to deter conflict and defend Ukraine’s territory.
  • A European-led ‘multinational force Ukraine’ made up from contributions from willing nations within the framework of the Coalition of the Willing and supported by the US. It will assist in the regeneration of Ukraine’s forces, in securing Ukraine’s skies, and in supporting safer seas, including through operating inside Ukraine.
  • A US led ceasefire monitoring and verification mechanism with international participation to provide early warning of any future attack and attribute and respond to any breaches along with a deconfliction mechanism to work on mutual deescalatory actions that can be taken to benefit all parties.
  • A legally binding commitment, subject to national procedures, to take measures to restore peace and security in the case of a future armed attack. These measures may include armed force, intelligence and logistical assistance, economic and diplomatic actions.
  • Invest in the future prosperity of Ukraine, including making major resources available for recovery and reconstruction, mutually beneficial trade agreements, and taking into account the need for Russia to compensate Ukraine for the damage caused. In this vein, Russian sovereign assets in the European Union have been immobilised.
  • Strongly support Ukraine’s accession to the European Union.

Each of those points is hybris and wishful thinking.

  • There is no way Ukraine, with barely 25 million inhabitants left half of which are pensioners, can sustain a 800,000 strong peacetime army.
  • Russia has rejected any foreign forces in Ukraine and has announced that it will attack those that appear there.
  • The U.S. is party of the conflict. It has started the proxy war against Russia and continues to take part in it by supporting the Ukrainian military with intelligence and communication. A party of a war can not be the one to monitor a ‘ceasefire’.
  • One major reason for the conflict in Ukraine was the prospect of its membership in NATO. To reintroduce that under the guise of a multilateral ‘legally binding commitment’ will not be accepted by Russia.
  • Europe does not have the money to invest in Ukraine. Russia is winning the war. It will not ‘compensate Ukraine’ for
    any damage but may well ask for reparations paid by Ukraine for damage it has caused on Russian land.
  • There will be no accession of Ukraine into the European Union in any foreseeable future. Some 65% of the EU budget are payments to more rural countries under the ‘Common Agricultural Policy’. Poland’s farmers are currently the biggest net-recipients. If Ukraine enters the EU nearly all of the CAP money would flow towards it. It is implausible that Poland and other rural EU members will vote for this.

The whole delusion plan the European leaders have put out in their joint statement is designed to prolong the conflict. As Elijah Magnier summarizes the joint statement:

Rather than integrating Ukraine into a post-war European security order, the EU plan institutionalises Ukraine as a frontline security asset, not a normalised state. The EU want Ukraine to become a permanently militarised society.

The current negotiated parameters can not lead to a peace agreement with Russia.

The Trump administration needs to take a step back. It can deliver the currently negotiated package to Russia which will study it and ask for negotiations of ‘details’ that will take several years to find some end point. Or it can put the whole issue aside for now and go for a retry in six to twelve months.

By then Ukraine will be much worse off than it is today: All of Ukraine will have been de-electrified, Zelenski may well be gone, Zaparozhia and Kerson may well have fallen to Russian forces, European willingness to support Ukraine will have  dwindled further.

By then resistance to a peace agreement, be it by Ukraine or Europe, will have decreased. Only then will peace in Ukraine and Europe become a real possibility.

Comments

At the begining of the SMO Vladimire Putin made himself clear….
 
De-nazifacation, de-militarisation, and no build up of nucular weapons on Russias border, and an end to Russians being killed and oppressed in ukraine.
 
If the west had adered to that, millions of lives would have been saved, billions of money could have been put to more peacefull productive use on all sides.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 17 2025 2:59 utc | 201

If the west had adered to that, millions of lives would have been saved, billions of money could have been put to more peacefull productive use on all sides.
 
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 17 2025 2:59 utc | 227

 
I know you realize that our leaders are dead set against such peaceful productive uses of all that money.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 17 2025 3:00 utc | 202

Malenkov @ 224 and also @ 228
Agreed on both.
 

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 17 2025 3:04 utc | 203

I’m late to this thread and apologies if this has been said already, but the only word for these “negotiations” is CIRCLEJERK. 

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Dec 17 2025 3:08 utc | 204

Well let me try and answer the question…..
Becouse he’s got better things to do, such as a life !
 
Now please stop whineing. Its embarresing.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 17 2025 3:15 utc | 205

They are suffering from a dose of bullshititis, that’s all.

Posted by: PajamaPantz | Dec 17 2025 3:19 utc | 206

The head of the Black Sea Fleet’s press service, Captain 1st Rank Alexei Rulev, emphasized that none of the fleet’s ships or submarines, as well as their crews, were injured and continue to perform their duties as usual.

 
I’m in the mood for a little theatrics. Would applaud if said captain launched a kinzhal, or whatever subs launch, to a (pick one,) (nah, it’s Christmas, I’m feeling generous, pick all)

  • a neighbourhood near Kiev
  • harbourside Odessa
  • a rail track west of Lviv, 2metres shy of the Polish border…
  • Your choice…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 3:19 utc | 207

OK gruff alert !  100%
In outta here.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 17 2025 3:22 utc | 208

CIRCLEJERK. 
Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Dec 17 2025 3:08 utc | 231

It has been stated. But it can certainly be stated again. 
“circle jerk”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 3:22 utc | 209

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 17 2025 2:56 utc | 227
 
That’s obvious. And so will be what happens next, I suspect.

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 17 2025 3:25 utc | 210

Typo….. i’m not in.
 
Get it gruff.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 17 2025 3:26 utc | 211

15 countries reaffirmed or made new pledges for military aid to Ukraine during the Ramstein meeting today:
 
🇩🇪 Germany — €11.5bn for air defense (Patriot, IRIS-T), drones, artillery.
 
🇬🇧 UK — £600m for air defense, partly funded via frozen Russian assets.
 
🇳🇱 Netherlands — €700m for drones, incl. Ukrainian-made UAVs.
 
🇳🇴 Norway — ~$7bn in military aid, incl. air defense and artillery initiatives.
 
🇩🇰 Denmark — €250m package for drones, air defense, aviation + PURL.
 
🇨🇦 Canada — CAD 30m for drones + missiles (incl. AIM-9).
 
🇱🇹 Lithuania — €220m+ (≥0.25% GDP), incl. PURL and coalitions.
 
🇱🇻 Latvia — €110m (0.25% GDP) for drones, EW, PURL.
 
🇪🇪 Estonia — €142m (0.25% GDP) + €9m to IT Coalition.
 
🇱🇺 Luxembourg — €100m direct aid + €15m to PURL.
 
🇵🇹 Portugal — €10m for drones.
 
🇵🇱 Poland — 155mm artillery shells.
 
🇨🇿 Czechia — financing for 760,000 artillery shells.
 
🇲🇪 Montenegro, 🇳🇿 New Zealand — contributions to PUR
——-
Phew. Don’t see Oz on the list.
Zelensky sent a Letter of Demand for the remaining 200 Bushmasters a while back. Never saw a follow up.
Hopefully our dept of defence numpties are still feeling tender from the roasting they received when we rebuilt refurbished the 49 Abrams. At the cost of hundreds of millions
Only to have some sunk before they were even unloaded, if telegram can be believed …
 
https://nitter.net/clashreport/status/2001022957640962308

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 3:30 utc | 212

seems like the game here is to play good guy – bad guy… usa good guy – europe bad guy… it is a shitty skit and russia is not falling for it.. maybe the maga crowd is though, lol..

Posted by: james | Dec 16 2025 16:28 utc | 1*sigh* I wish.
https://sovereignista.com/2025/12/15/fm-sergey-lavrovs-interview-with-the-islamic-republic-of-iran/

Key points:

  • Throughout history, Europe has repeatedly been a source of all evil and spawn of deepest crises. <…> Europe is now trying again to dictate to everyone its terms and wishes which seem to be connected with the Ukraine crisis.
  • Europe is using it to assert itself, to throw sand in the wheels and scheme against the United States and all those who seek a just settlement.
  • The theory and practices of Nazism are being resurrected in Europe, primarily in Brussels but also in Berlin, London, Paris, not to mention the Baltic States.
  • Europe is waging a war with us once again with Ukrainians under a Nazi flag, <…> pumping Ukraine with increasingly more modern weapons.
  • One of major purposes [of the new US National Security Strategy] is to make Europe know its place and to prevent it from imposing its liberal ways
  • The United States wants to set up its policy for opposing China. <…> We are not against competition, however, it should be fair.

Posted by: joey_n | Dec 17 2025 3:44 utc | 213

@ joey_n | Dec 17 2025 3:44 utc | 245
 
You needn’t wish. Russia is feeding Trump’s ego but will be happy to negotiate “nuances” with him until Country 404 surrenders.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 17 2025 3:50 utc | 214

Arrgh, so not liking this.

seems like the game here is to play good guy – bad guy… usa good guy – europe bad guy… it is a shitty skit and russia is not falling for it.. maybe the maga crowd is though, lol..

Posted by: james | Dec 16 2025 16:28 utc | 1
*sigh* I wish.

Posted by: joey_n | Dec 17 2025 3:51 utc | 215

Never mind my correction.
Otherwise, and to be real honest, I would’ve expected Putin, Lavrov and co. to not sugar-coat things. At least that’s what I expected seven years ago – perhaps things changed under my nose.

Posted by: joey_n | Dec 17 2025 3:57 utc | 216

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 3:30 utc | 242
 
It seems to me governments only mention pledges and label that with a $$$$ as if it is a real done deal. I doubt if it is, or whether it is even effective anymore. It’s just economic reductionism and an easy fix of media memes  ie.  $$$$$ = problem fixed.   Say no more !
 
In this case a ‘group wank’ (they cannot afford) to use another synonym. PURL as you would know  just means more money for the US MIC and therefore debt, not cash on hand.
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 17 2025 3:59 utc | 217

@ joey_n | Dec 17 2025 3:57 utc | 249
 
With all due respect, they’re not playing to your expectations.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 17 2025 4:00 utc | 218

How dangerous are the new oil sanctions on “shadow fleet” in affecting Russia war budget? 
“caliber” an àzerbajiani outlet reports a significant fall of Russia oil revenues that could impact its capability to sustain the war. 
It appears that the EU are counting on that to break Russia’s strength in negotiations. I wonder if the USA is not part of the plan to delay infinitely negotiations until Russia suffers of a serious decrease in its revenues. Are the sanctions working or not? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Virgile | Dec 17 2025 4:10 utc | 219

 

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Posted by: Laurence | Dec 17 2025 4:13 utc | 220

There are increasing rumors and speculation on X EU could conduct a false flag attack in the next few weeks.
It is very possible EU is desperate and their financial system is collapsing quicker than anyone is expecting. Gold is building a base toward $5000.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 17 2025 4:34 utc | 221

@ joey_n | Dec 17 2025 3:51 utc | 247
 
that is my take.. the diplomacy is just a front… many confuse this with the idea russia is on board with the usa’s peace plans.. i don’t see it that way myself.. 
 
how do you see it joey? thanks..

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2025 4:41 utc | 222

The EU/ NATO / US  circus that entertains mom and dad and the kids with trapeze acts and animal trainers and grotesque clowns like von der Layan and Macron and Merz and Starmer and Kalls and Trump  is just a show. Lots of corporate sponsors, of course.   It is irrelevant to Russia, where the conflict serves the purposes of nation building and civilizational development.  In reality, Ukraine lost the war months ago. It is Dead Man Walking and keeps on losing body parts as it moves. That could also be said of the EU and NATO.  So Russia is quite happy to buy some popcorn and watch the show but it is not going to invest in the circus or join it. 
https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/sitrep-ukraine-and-russia

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Dec 17 2025 4:42 utc | 223

You say: “It is implausible that Poland and other rural EU members will vote for this.” However, the globalist, western indoctrinated elite political class in power already does what they are told against the people’s interests. Ergo the now age-old rise of the “far-right” euroskeptics. Heck, Lisbon was imposed illegally and undemocratically. Then you have Romania (and de-facto Romania, Moldova) electoral rigging.Glad AfD is leader of the opposition, but they’ve caved in to the ruling coalition (formed after SPD was routed) in supporting the police state’s surveillance with the ruling coalition. VERY disappointing.

Posted by: Sal | Dec 17 2025 4:48 utc | 224

Trump woke up, yanked his balls, farted (why Melania stays in Florida), and remembered: Today’s a good day to taunt Venezuela.
 
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115731908387416458
 

Gib me oilz, now!

 
Venezuela is completely surrounded by the largest Armada ever assembled in the History of South America.
It will only get bigger, and the shock to them will be like nothing they have ever seen before — Until such time as they return to the United States of America all of the Oil, Land, and other Assets that they previously stole from us.
 
The illegitimate Maduro Regime is using Oil from these stolen Oil Fields to finance themselves, Drug Terrorism, Human Trafficking, Murder, and Kidnapping. For the theft of our Assets, and many other reasons, including Terrorism, Drug Smuggling, and Human Trafficking, the Venezuelan Regime has been designated a FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
 
Therefore, today, I am ordering A TOTAL AND COMPLETE BLOCKADE OF ALL SANCTIONED OIL TANKERS going into, and out of, Venezuela.
The Illegal Aliens and Criminals that the Maduro Regime has sent into the United States during the weak and inept Biden Administration, are being returned to Venezuela at a rapid pace.
 
America will not allow Criminals, Terrorists, or other Countries, to rob, threaten, or harm our Nation and, likewise, will not allow a Hostile Regime to take our Oil, Land, or any other Assets, all of which must be returned to the United States, IMMEDIATELY.
Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 4:49 utc | 225

One Oz safari hunter NAFO’d then FAFO.
 
Australian mercenary Allan Wilson Russell down!
 
🇦🇺On December 10, in Pokrovsk, during an attempt to break through the Russian encirclement, an Australian mercenary, Allan Wilson Russell, was eliminated.
 
He had been fighting in Ukraine since 2023. He previously served in the Australian army and came from Gosford, NSW.
@AussieCossack via @trackamerc

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 4:53 utc | 226

In light of Trump’s Truth emission that he’s placed Venezuela under blockade….
Things could get spicy Real Quick….

Russian shadow tanker HYPERION has just entered the Carribbean waters, departing from the UMBA Offshore Terminal in Murmansk towards Jose Terminal, Venezuela.
The vessel is under US sanctions.

 
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/167541

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 5:00 utc | 227

It is really in this type of analysis that B. is at his strongest. Especially because he is European and therefore understands what is at stake within the EU.
 
All this shambles, which will inevitably end in victory for Russia, is only intended to overshadow the scam that European institutions have become, and perhaps always have been: to conceal their deep involvement in the conflict in Ukraine, to make people forget the billions spent in vain, and today, to justify anti-popular austerity policies in favour of the militarisation of the EU, which will primarily serve to quell future popular uprisings.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Dec 17 2025 5:05 utc | 228

Reuters:
Germany Wraps Up Patriot air defence mission in Poland.
Germany is removing it’s Patriot air defense systems from Poland.
Earlier the US suspended key arms sales, including Patriot air defense systems, to European allies due to global shortages and the prioritisation of helping Israel first.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 5:09 utc | 229

This kabuki by Trump and the Europe/Z contingent makes me think about bitcoin and how the proof of work done to create the piece of shit must mean it is valuable.
 
We have the same thing happening with all these “negotiations” which will then be delivered to Russia with the message that given all the kabuki that went into this document, it must be valued in the negotiation even if not compatible with Russian demands.
 
Military or societal collapse followed by MAD contextualized surrender will occur in Ukraine before any successful negotiation, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2025 5:25 utc | 230

Odessa.  AMK Mapping

Footage showing yesterday’s combined glide-bomb and Geran-2 drone attack on the Zatoka railway and road bridge in Odessa Oblast.
This bridge is the only connector in Ukraine between southern Odessa Oblast and the rest of the country.

https://nitter.poast.org/AMK_Mapping_/status/2000508666206937332

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 5:30 utc | 231

John Bolton [remember that old warpig]

John Bolton is calling on Ukraine to lower the draft age from 25 to 18 to increase manpower sothey can continue the war.

https://nitter.net/Megatron_ron/status/2000692123570491761

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 5:39 utc | 232

@Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 5:30 utc | 270 with the Odessa strikes….thx
 
Maybe military and societal collapse happen at the same time…..and before the kabuki is completed.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2025 5:39 utc | 233

EU’s Foreign Policy Chief Kaja Kallas, says a commission to address “claims for war damages against Russia” will be set up in The Hague tomorrow, with 80,000 submissions already received.

https://nitter.net/disclosetv/status/2000605145516683629
 
€€€€€
Is this part of a plan to steal those Russian Euroclear assets?
Have a court declare Russia owes reparations… and then the assets can be released to the claimants?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 5:47 utc | 234

What are we missing.  The European side is not progressing, its barely breathing, seemingly its doing nothing but shuttering its non competitive industries and spending its taxpayers dollars on meetings designed to save their investments in Ukraine .. that usually means something is up? 
 
Clearly defeating Russia in Ukraine is out of the question but so is halting the European dream of pilfering Russia. The Europeans can’t even steal Russian assets for fear the Bear will eat European Honey.   
 
The USA has a total blockade around Venezuela.. nothing is going in or coming out.. until the Chinese, Russian and Iranian forces destroy the blockade. Still retail oil prices are falling; oil is already less than $2.75/ gallon in the USA at Christmas time?  Suggest a massive shut down of gas guzzling industries and vehicles is happening at a rapid rate. 
 
Has the much sought after 1929 economic depression arrived to take charge in 2026?  Are people and industries using up the last bits of their savings?  Are the cities and counties having trouble collecting their real estate taxes.. Are foreclosures rising if so is it time to buy for pennies on the dollar?  Full scale depression ?  
 
What result when those savings are depleted and the Christmas refunds are over?  What is the homeless demand for tents and scooters? Is it falling, not because there are fewer homeless, but because the new homeless have no funds to buy such luxuries?.
 
  Let’s not forget AI and automation are continuously destroying jobs at the rate of 2 to 5% per month. Have the politicocriminals brought on a situation where no one can afford to buy anything
The Wall Street markets are showing signs they might be feeling the pain? 
 
BRICS is producing anti sanction results..and the governments and industries alike are hiding behind the digital moats they built around their castles.. 
 

Posted by: snake | Dec 17 2025 5:49 utc | 235

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 17 2025 4:23 utc | 258
 
Seems the post starting the c-thing litany and my response to that have disappeared. Fair enough. `john’s is still there and the subject is pertinent to the topic.

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 17 2025 5:59 utc | 236

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 5:47 utc | 240
 
Kaja Kallas wants to claim over $500 billion from Russia to rebuild Ukraine, so it certainly seems the plan is to get the sum approved in court and then issue a loan worth hundreds of billions of $.
Meanwhile Russia already launched its own $230 billion claim against Euroclear. Kallas’/VDL plan almost ensures the counter claims will progress and succeed.
Ultimately we are watching financial apocalypse of eurozone, it’s as almost if some behibd the scene actor is purposefully causing it. 

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 17 2025 6:01 utc | 237

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 4:49 utc | 231
 
😖 Pds the critical relevant parties have been taking notes for some time now.

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 17 2025 6:08 utc | 238

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2025 4:41 utc | 260
Hard to say – I too hope that it’s just theater. That Putin and co. would feel obligated to feed Trump’s ego at all was the most surprising.
I could remember well what the USA did to destabilize Ukraine. Before Trump’s reelection a year ago there were allegations stating that it was done to prevent Germany and other European countries from further cooperating with Russia. I could also remember documentation discussing Trump’s actions during his first term to exacerbate the issue (Javelins, the INF treaty, sanctions on Russia and attempts to stop the Nord Stream pipeline). Come Trump’s second term, I didn’t expect the mainstream narrative on places like The Duran to change such that Trump was the “adult” to the European “children” or that the Europeans dragged the hapless USA into a conflict of the former’s making. That’s when I came across Brian Berletic.

Posted by: joey_n | Dec 17 2025 6:14 utc | 239

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 17 2025 5:59 utc | 242
Oops, wrong thread. Still there. Manifest implementation of disruptive methodology. And there’s another one: 

😂 …
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 17 2025 4:26 utc | 335
It was clear since covid that freedom of speech was vanishing in Europe except for a few places such as the UK, Belgium, The Netherlands. The result is a strong desequilibrium now on the internet between US/UK still broadly respecting some degree of freedom of speech (if you do not have too much influence) and the rest, with people who have automated self-censorship.
Posted by: Tom | Dec 17 2025 5:14 utc | 336

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 17 2025 6:29 utc | 240

“Flim Flam Theater”
That’s my current take. Our posters though, including myself, are not sure if they are watching a drama, a thriller, a comedy, a satire or a superhero epic, and if you can’t even define the genre then you can’t know where the script is going? Let’s recall though that in theatre all the actors need voice the supplied lines.

Posted by: Organic | Dec 17 2025 6:45 utc | 241

Maduro Responds To Trump Blockade
On the night of today, December 16, 2025, the President of the United States, Donald Trump, violating International Law, free trade, and freedom of navigation, has issued a reckless and serious threat against the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.
 
On his social media, he assumes that Venezuela’s oil, land, and mineral wealth are his property, and that Venezuela must therefore hand over all its wealth immediately. The President of the United States intends to impose, in an absolutely irrational manner, an alleged naval military blockade against Venezuela with the objective of stealing the riches that belong to our Homeland.
Venezuela, in the full exercise of the International Law that protects us, of our Constitution and the laws of the Republic, reaffirms its sovereignty over all its natural resources, as well as the right to freedom of navigation and free trade in the Caribbean Sea and the world’s oceans. Consequently, in strict adherence to the United Nations Charter, it will fully exercise its freedom, jurisdiction, and sovereignty above these warmongering threats.
Immediately, our Ambassador to the United Nations will proceed to denounce this serious violation of International Law against Venezuela.
 
We call on the people of the United States and the peoples of the world to reject by all means this extravagant threat, which once again reveals the true intentions of Donald Trump to steal the riches of the country that gave birth to the United Liberating Army of South America and to our Liberator, Simón Bolívar. The people of Venezuela, in perfect popular, military, and police unity, will know how to defend their historic rights and prevail along the path of Peace.
 
Mr. Donald Trump explicitly puts forward the following interventionist and colonialist expression: “until all the oil, land, and other assets that were previously stolen from us are returned to the United States.” His true intention, which has been denounced by Venezuela and by the people of the United States in large demonstrations, has always been the appropriation of the country’s oil, land, and mineral resources through massive campaigns of lies and manipulation.
 
Venezuela will never again be a colony of an empire or any foreign power and will continue, together with its people, along the path of building prosperity and the unrestricted defense of our independence and sovereignty.
 
The Venezuelan people, in perfect popular, military, and police unity, remain firm in the unrestricted protection of their territory, their wealth, and their freedom. With our Father Liberator, we say: “Fortunately, it has been seen that a handful of free men can defeat powerful empires.”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 6:51 utc | 242

Seems like just another Christmas wish list, and I suppose thaat the usual thing will happen.
It will be hung on a (non-operational) fireplace for “Daddy” to take note of before he tries to get down the chimney  with the goodies. (Or maybe like Cinderella, he wants sometone to give him a golden slipper in his new Ballroom before midnight?). This could be the new “ultimate” Pantomime
 
There is nothing in that list that can be agreed on by Russsia, so the aim cannot have been to impress Putin, but impress the arms industries that are making so much money off the wars. Whereby, post hostilities Directorships can be offerd to all the waiting wailing chiefs (waifs?). I presume that they are all heavily invested in stocks and shares already – a la Pelosi.
 
However, why don’t the countries under sanctions (ROW) group together and start a collection of their own? Rubio should be the first to go on it, but the list should be a lot longer than that.
 
PS. For those that know UKish. “This could be the new “ultimate” Pantomime”, with the leading boy played by a girl, Macron, Widow Twanky as Merz, and the “evil” he, who it is customary to hiss and boo at, by Starmer etc.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 17 2025 7:32 utc | 243

The USA has a total blockade around Venezuela.. nothing is going in or coming out.. until the Chinese, Russian and Iranian forces destroy the blockade
Posted by: snake | Dec 17 2025 5:49 utc | 241
You mean their tankers start passing through the blockade flying their flags? they are already ignoring the “no fly” zone anyway. 
I think the recent Russian flights to Caracas were in order to bring Venezuela on parity with Huthi 22nd century spacetech. It will be a lot of fun after the drones start diving. 

Posted by: 667 | Dec 17 2025 7:47 utc | 244

LightYearsFromHome | Dec 16 2025 23:21 utc | 157
 
“I don’t see the USA daring to sanction ex-military people like Macgregor, Wilkerson, Johnson, etc, not even sure what sanctioning would mean inside the USA, usually they try to ruin you with lawfare, or jail you if they can concoct it”
 
Look at how the government has messed with Scott Ritter. I think they also persecuted some Arab and/or Palestinian professors living in the US for their political speech. 

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 17 2025 7:53 utc | 245

Posted by: 667 | Dec 17 2025 7:47 utc | 250
 
From what I understand Trump has no right to declare a no fly zone over Venezuela unless he has declared war on the country.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 17 2025 7:53 utc | 246

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 17 2025 7:53 utc | 252
It isn’t about right it is about might, Trump can try to enforce it and Maduro can try to dismantle it. If the later is audacious enough he can make blockades obsolete for the rest of the century.  

Posted by: 667 | Dec 17 2025 8:05 utc | 247

Posted by: 667 | Dec 17 2025 8:05 utc | 253
 
The point I make is that it is not a no-fly zone  because Trump says it is so,  it is simply international law.  “Might is right” is a separate issue.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 17 2025 8:12 utc | 248

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 17 2025 8:12 utc | 254
Of course it is illegal but when did the west ever gave a flying one about legality ?

Posted by: 667 | Dec 17 2025 8:15 utc | 249

Lindsay Graham… let’s designate Russia a state sponsor of terrorism.
It’ll be fun, guys, I promise:
——-
 
Graham Delivers Floor Remarks on Bill Designating Russia a State Sponsor of Terrorism —— 17 Dec 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6k7n0XSq94
 
Rand Paul:
Err, that’s a teensy bit risky. Let’s not.
—-
Sen. Rand Paul speaks out against Sen. Lindsey Graham’s bill to designate Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. Paul says the designation would be a “colossal mistake” and a “roundabout way of allowing military strikes on Russian targets.”
https://nitter.poast.org/FaytuksNetwork/status/2001108529864753210

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 17 2025 8:24 utc | 250

Countries that refuse to back the so-called “reparations loan” for Ukraine plan, backed by frozen Russian assets, are bound to suffer severe economic consequences, German Europe Minister Gunther Krichbaum has claimed.sputniknews damned if you do…damned if you do.Dlusional to think you can just geabe it because you want to.Tusk has said that DT warning EU not to proceed with using Russian funds as it undermines the negotiations… but the EU is “light years away” from using frozen Russian assets to militarily prop up Ukraine or “rebuild” the country, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has admitteyup, got yourselves into trouble.Estonian foreign ministrr says EU should be more pesuasive efforts to China to drop suport for Russia. That is not going to work either.facts: In reality, the Ukrainian constitution only prohibits parliamentary elections in time of war. Elections for the presidency are impeded by ordinary laws which can, of course, easily and legally be changed by the majority which Zelensky controls in parliament. That is merely a question of political will, not legality.The UK is reportedly trying to convince the European Union to take control of frozen Russian assets, aiming to undermine US President Donald Trump’s efforts to advance peace initiatives that could end the Ukraine conflict, according to Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR). MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia has not yet received any signals regarding the outcome of the negotiations on a Ukrainian settlement, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Tuesday.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 17 2025 8:28 utc | 251

The eurotards want to cross the Russian river (Berezina, anyone?) without wetting their penis. So they get the brilliant (brussel) idea to get into a queue and slide their dicks in the guy-in-front’s butt.
 
Unfortunately, the guy at the front of the queue get his ass stuffed AND his penis wet. An Ukrainian type of patsy…
 
MoA has some barflies who are also poets.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Dec 17 2025 8:35 utc | 252

Your posts are great and I have seen no reason for you to be banned here. Posted by: Outlook Hotel | Dec 17 2025 1:15 utc | 187
 Previously banned users tend to be banned again when the site owner does one of his periodic cleanups.
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 17 2025 1:28 utc | 188

 
 
you are mad. I have not be banned here, only posted recently.  and so whoever has deleted my comments is also totally screwed up. an idiot. never again.
 

Posted by: Multipolarbear | Dec 17 2025 8:36 utc | 253

Yes, it’s a costly theater in which our political leaders spend our money to meet and rub each other’s grossly malformed egos in a vain attempt to weaken an enemy that is more powerful, smart and resourceful. So these talks are mere epi-phenomena that will lead to nothing of substance.
The major issue of our weakness vis-a-vis Russia in this war is that Russia is a solid warring party while our side is divided in a fractal manner.
From the large to the small.
There is a rather deep division between America and Europe+Ukraines.
Then there is a division inside Europe between the core homosexual liberals + assorted females on the one side and the fringe realists in Eastern Europe.
Then inside the core euro homosexual liberals there is a division between those that have have bet the house on this war and those that don’t really give a shit one way or another.
Then there is a division inside the Ukraines between the government and ruling classes and a cowardly population of morons that live a life of running daily from cheap-fascistic recruitment officers (the Russians call these recruiters ‘the shopping center’) inside a shithole nation losing electricity (old ukrop women are fighting in real shopping centers to plug their cheap cell phones into public rechargers), heating and tap water.
Then inside ukrop government there is a division between corrupt Jewish oligarchs that form a large majority gang inside the executive and parliament on one side and the cheap fascistic factions on the other side that precludes a clean surrender and capitulation before the losses are larger.
So, this will end in the complete disappearance of the weakest of these divisions by annexation into the strongest party.
 

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 17 2025 8:51 utc | 254

Posted by: 667 | Dec 17 2025 8:15 utc | 255
 
That is a fair point. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 17 2025 9:04 utc | 255

Ureka ! !
This whole dam western war against Russia is nothing more than a……
‘Self forfilling prophacy.’  By the west.
 
Bit like  @ multipollarbears comments

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 17 2025 9:07 utc | 256

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 18:00 utc | 28
More recently, Colombian troops who mostly did the recent attack in Kupyansk.

 
Gustavo Petro is happy to have this bunch of paramilitary goons formerly used to rape and kill Columbian peasants being terminated so far away.
Check the below:
https://usa.news-pravda.com/russia/2025/12/16/590274.html
It is an AI composite showing one of these Columbians (Sr. Hector Vergara Oviedo of Cali) as he was in real life and what happened to him after a drone exploded a few cm from his brown body. Remarkable before-after. Senor Vergara Oviedo looking better than ever. Not for the faint of heart.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 17 2025 9:10 utc | 257

Camamile tea should solve both problems.
 
 

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 17 2025 9:14 utc | 258

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 16 2025 19:35 utc | 77
But never mind that, as the report from Sputnik Globe, linked earlier, indicates, Russia has not yet received any communication […]

 
This is connected to what I commented above. Our side, the anti-Russian side, is so divided that it takes a very long time to cook a negotiating position to deliver to the other side. And the Russians mock us my saying ‘sorry we haven’t heard anything from you yet’.
It is not that we are negotiating with ourselves and forgetting to negotiate with the other side. It’s just that it takes so long to arrive at anything because we are so fractally divided that it looks like all the time we are negotiating with ourselves.
In the meantime, in the very long meantime, while our side tries to find a common ground, Russia continues the extermination of male ukrop population regularly delivered to them by ukrop political and military elites and secondarily, taking more territory East to West and destroying more of ukrop infrastructure in the rear.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 17 2025 9:31 utc | 259

Getting ridiculous now
 
Investigators are probing whether Moscow spies were behind the attempted hijacking of a cruise ship that was carrying British tourists, potentially with a view of launching a violent attack.
The ‘Fantastic,’ owned by an Italian company GNV, was stranded for more than ten hours in the French port of Sèteon on Saturday, after intelligence agents feared the vessel was bugged to enable remote control.
Officers are investigating whether the attempt to hijack the ship was in aid of helping a foreign agent to launch a violent attack or a hostage-taking situation with a ransom demand.
Two men were arrested by the General Directorate for Internal Security (DGSI) on December 12 for allegedly being in possession of a sophisticated technological device that they used to hack in to the ferry’s computer system.
One of the suspects, a Bulgarian national, has been released without charge. 
The other, a Latvian national in his twenties who was recently hired by GNV as a trainee sailor, was transferred to Paris on Sunday, where he was formally charged

Posted by: Jo | Dec 17 2025 9:36 utc | 260

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2025 19:12 utc | 65
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 19:12 utc | 66
Posted by: Naive | Dec 16 2025 19:31 utc | 75
[…]
 
The Russians are exploiting our divisions. Riabkov says one thing that excites one part of our deeply divided side (America) then Ushakov and Peskov say something totally different that energizes another part of our deeply divided side (Euros). It’s hostile takeover 101.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 17 2025 9:45 utc | 261

Financial experts are now saying the Euroclear lawsuit (after it has been won in Moscow arbitration court by Russia) will spread to Euroclear being sued in every non-western country it operates in.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 17 2025 9:50 utc | 262

Posted by: Asian Frog | Dec 17 2025 8:35 utc | 258
The eurotards want to cross the Russian river (Berezina, anyone?) without wetting their penis.

 
The euro-penis poetry wouldn’t go far. Europe is run politically by two-inches penis homosexuals and front-holes 😀

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 17 2025 9:56 utc | 263

You mean their tankers start passing through the blockade flying their flags? Posted by: 667 | Dec 17 2025 7:47 utc | 250
 
Did not dare to use their own ships but there is one tanker Hyperion getting close to Venezuela, coming from Russia. This one is also under US sanctions, in addition to the blockade
marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:753737/mmsi:629009704/imo:9322968/vessel:HYPERION

Posted by: rk | Dec 17 2025 10:16 utc | 264

Johan Kaspar | Dec 17 2025 9:31 utc | 265
 
“In the meantime, in the very long meantime, while our side tries to find a common ground, Russia continues the extermination of male ukrop population regularly delivered to them by ukrop political and military elites and secondarily, taking more territory East to West and destroying more of ukrop infrastructure in the rear.”
 
However unclear some other things may be, it’s crystal clear that the US and Russia have some kind of agreement that the exterminati0n of the Uketards as such and the clearing of empty space in the Borderland is itself a major war goal.
 
Why? No doubt Western agribusiness and other interests were salivating at getting their hands on all that great farmland cleansed of its pre-existing inhabitants, if Trump could get Putin to go for one of these absurd Western-favorable “deals”. But Zelensky and others have given what’s probably the real answer, to clear space for a new homeland for the Jews closer to their origin in the Khazar kingdom. 

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 17 2025 10:47 utc | 265

The only point of this is for everyone in the West to sign off on a wording that is (a) guaranteed to be rejected by Russia but (b) banal enough that the media can lay the blame at Putin’s feet.
Seems like a lot of effort for some cheap point-scoring.
I’m sure Witkoff is a busy man, and Jared has some realestate con-game that he’d much prefer to be overseeing
Why didn’t they just dust off one of the proposals from 2023 or 2024 and present it as-if it were something new?
 
 

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 17 2025 10:57 utc | 266

I hate saying but the EU can score a lot of big victories.  Orban will probably lose the next election to a younger man who is slavishly pro-EU.  The EU is rolling out reparation trials at the Hague and lots of nations are signatory to that, so EU may get to keep Russian money.  EU is still growing GDP according to the latest figures. There is an oil glut that will last for some time, dropping prices.  Arghhhh….

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 17 2025 11:13 utc | 267

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/fitch-places-euroclear-bank-rating-watch-negative-over-eus-russian-asset-plans-2025-12-16/
 

Dec 17 (Reuters) – Ratings agency Fitch placed Euroclear Bank on “rating watch negative” on Tuesday, citing the potential for increased legal and liquidity risks from the European Union’s plans to use immobilised Russian assets for a reparations loan to Ukraine.
Belgium-based Euroclear said on Wednesday Fitch’s decision signalled a need for greater clarity and detail on the proposed reparations loan for Ukraine and was preparing for a range of scenarios.

 
 

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 17 2025 11:13 utc | 268

EU is being sissy. Just send in 50,000 soldiers and anti air defence. Then see Pootin whine like a raped bitch and do nothing. Yup.

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 17 2025 11:35 utc | 269

About the list of 15 countries who committed new millions or billions for ukr defense.
 
It looks like nobody has commented that France, Spain and Italy committed to give zilch

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Dec 17 2025 11:55 utc | 270

Posted by: Jo | Dec 17 2025 9:36 utc | 266
 
It looks ridiculous, ?
Therefore MI6 is the designer.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Dec 17 2025 11:59 utc | 271

committed to give zilch
 
Posted by: Parisian Guy | Dec 17 2025 11:55 utc | 276
 

 
The Western effort to support Ukraine’s fiasco is consuming approximately $5 billions per month and their magic money tree’s leaves are brown, withered and fallen.  The poor souls can’t carry on much longer.
 
https://www.kielinstitut.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
 

Posted by: too scents | Dec 17 2025 12:04 utc | 272

The only solution to Corrupt  Politicians is to  bomb the politicians or to build Squid Game consequences for politicians who recklessly make wrong decisions.
Instead of going to university to study Lying, self-enriching, slippery politucal pole -climbing, they should be trained to understand that at the bottom of the slippery poles are man-traps , bottomless pits and total humiliation.
 
 

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 17 2025 12:11 utc | 273

As far as Russia is concerned, Ukraine in NATO vs NATO in Ukraine is a distinction without a difference.
 
You have to admire Z-man’s chutzpah, pretending he has some level of control of the outcome. The beatings will continue until Ukraine and EU attitudes improve.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Dec 17 2025 12:12 utc | 274

Surferket  @ 275
Is that sarcasm, hope so. Good greaf man , thats so so wrong in oh so many ways,
Its not a bloody computer game fool.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 17 2025 12:13 utc | 275

279
 
A combination of all three eventually brought the mad satanist Margaret Thatcher down. It needs to be universally applied.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 17 2025 12:15 utc | 276

@Naive | Dec 17 2025 1:15 utc | 183
The top financiers have clients I imagine. And that customer class is in the millions in the world. It is their wellbeing that is the decisive feature. Not the individuals at the top
 
 
 

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Dec 17 2025 12:16 utc | 277

Via Andrey Koybko substack extract
 
” If the US obtains legal ownership of Russia’s seized assets, then Trump would have the pretext for demanding their transfer to the US under pain of sanctions, which is the only way to guarantee that they’re not given to Ukraine or remain indefinitely immobilized. The EU must therefore decide whether it’s worth the gargantuan cost of destroying its financial reputation just to impede a Russian-US rapprochement, but if it goes through with this, then those two might team up against it afterwards.”

Posted by: Jo | Dec 17 2025 12:23 utc | 278

rk | Dec 17 2025 10:16 utc | 270
 
Russian Tankers have been seen with armed men (possibly sodiers ) on board. That was in the Baltic, but who knows where else.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 17 2025 12:37 utc | 279

Flim flam – is all it is. 
It is Fight Club. 
 
For those who don’t know know the central sado-masochist device of that story – it is that the Fighters in the Club DON’T actually fight anyone ELSE!
 
They instead beat up THEMSELVES!
 
Yup surrounded by other ‘losersm and misfits who also partake in the masochistic practice!
 
Such a sorry line has to be queried surely – the hero is forced into humiliating self flagellation and it’s supposed to be a GOOD and devotional philosophy! 
 
I suppose the Joker film had that too, as did many earlier dystopian anti-hero characters going back decades as the Hollywood cultural propaganda set out to poison the Collective Waster minds from childhood. 
 
Now we have institutionalised paedophelia, mysogeny, sexual fetishisation, trans gobbledygook etc going hand in hand with normalised violence, hate and child killers ( killers who are children) groomed from almost birth when it comes to nazification, raised into incels, confused, xenophobes etc – that travels like contagion through the interweb Games forums where they are first lured to role play …
 
the flimflam is a ‘long con’ another cinematic ‘education’ of the last centuries movie propaganda scriptwriters – The Sting. 
 
It is the fake fighting and falling out between the conmen to convince the ‘mark’ that he has seen through the sting being set up and is now going to profit from turning the tables as the conmen fall out between themselves. 
Drumpffy Dumpty and the fast talking swindler ‘estate agents’ (death of a salesman / glengary glenross – more such anti heroic tales) – and their nth level game play/ sales ‘contractual’ theorising hasn’t changed much – they can steal from their grandmothers and never give a sucker an even break ! Isn’t that the whole chutzpah of the individualist, gambler, thief and religion that the ziofascist Waste has been built on? 
 
They  go through the comical three stooges circular slap fest between the Europeans, US and Ukropians to impress the Slavics and Global South – to convince these onlookers that it is REAL! 
 
That it’s a very hard fought, bloody, no winners negotiable and outcome they are getting to. Which the onlookers can accept as the best that can be done in the circumstances. 
That Demilitarisation can maybe be achieved temporarily , but not denazification! That would s made clear in the UN vote again where the Wasters Natzios voted against stating that nazism is bad! And shouldn’t be re-ignited in all its newer forms! 
Nazis, Ziofascists … to the destruction of Bolivarian revolutions to be free from the conquistadors Old Bastard shapeshifted dynastic Few… under their fake convert Judaic bloody disguise …and escaped Nazis of WW2! 
 
 
That giving up resources and monies under the guise of joint development and rebuilding the now daily more de-Communisation piece by piece under FABs; before the largest nuclear and geothermal power plants are switched off , IS a Good Win for the RF! 
That not achieving the full goals of the wholly provoked, small scale, invasion to protect the populations that were targeted – is the best they can get!
 
Flim Flam indeed. 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 17 2025 12:48 utc | 280

Russian Tankers have been seen with armed men (possibly sodiers ) on board. That was in the Baltic, but who knows where else. Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 17 2025 12:37 utc | 285
 
Yes, but that news came from one of the crazy countries in the area. It may be fake, a simple reason for more of their hysteria

Posted by: rk | Dec 17 2025 12:53 utc | 281

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 17 2025 10:47 utc | 271
No doubt Western agribusiness and other interests were salivating at getting their hands on all that great farmland cleansed of its pre-existing inhabitants
 

Probably the Russians offered agricultural and mineral deals to the Americans with all that land that they are conquering but my guess is the Americans have not yet taken those deals.
But surely it’s in everyone’s mind.
Each of these blocks of land the Russians are taking between tree lines is a block of land lost to its ukrop owner, an ownerless piece of land taken by force, unless that ukrop owner waited it out to become a Russian citizen, which I doubt it very much for the vast majority of conquered land.
So who’s gonna own all that land? And the mineral exploitations? And the real estate? A lot of real estate at very depressed prices.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Dec 17 2025 12:58 utc | 282

If Russia limits the weapons the future Ukrainian military can have, allowing an 800k armed forces from their perpsective may not be a bad idea as it would be a financial millstone around Ukraine and Europe’s neck forever

Posted by: Pasha1962 | Dec 17 2025 13:03 utc | 283

From Trump’s latest social media post…until such time as they return to the United States of America all of the Oil, Land, and other Assets that they previously stole from us.
 
Any Barflies know what Trump is talking about ? Did Venezuela nationalize some assets a while back ? 

Posted by: exile | Dec 17 2025 13:17 utc | 284

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRr1K46yqc
I think this is very reasonable as to Ukraine’s future. It would offer great long term benefit to Russia because EU would be left with the mess and Ukraine’s refugee population would never return because of poverty, lack of electricity and especially because conscription will never end in a civil war. In addition, Russia might get a reasonably friendly regime in Kyiv

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 17 2025 13:19 utc | 285

ENGLISH TRANSLATION: It would probably have been more accurate to use 1938 as the historical analogy. That was really the pattern we should have recognized as early as 2014. And by 2022 at the latest, we know that this is a war of aggression by Russia against Ukraine, against Europe. And if Ukraine falls, it will not stop there. Just as the Sudetenland was not enough in 1938, Putin will not stop. […] No, my dear friends, this is about a fundamental redrawing of Europe’s borders, about restoring the old Soviet Union within the borders of the former Soviet Union, with a massive threat, including a military threat, to the countries that once belonged to that empire.
Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 17 2025 0:43 utc | 177

 
It would be ridiculous if it weren’t so tragic. These people could choose another approach at any time. It’s all in their heads. If they want to see that Russia in fact has no intention to expand or attack beyond what is Russian already (including Odessa!) – and Russia has said and repeated this almost daily for years – well then everybody could relax, diplomacy could be restored, peace could be within reach, but of course, in that case, the EU leaders would have to admit that Russia is not a crazy aggressor and has some rights. They won’t. Ever. That is the tragedy.

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 17 2025 13:25 utc | 286

PLAton erzählt das alles im Höhlengleichnis. DiE Angelsachsen und deren gehörlose gehorsamkeiten sowie die Zwergstaatkläffer hängen bei ewigem feuerschein tief in der Unterwelt an der Höhlenwand und sehen nur Schatten agieren und denken, das sei die wirklichkeit. Einer entkommt in die Wirklichkeit und er versucht ………. Sie brachten ihn um.

Posted by: Hatomune | Dec 17 2025 13:30 utc | 287

Phew. Don’t see Oz on the list.

Neither France nor Spain!

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 17 2025 13:33 utc | 288

@260
 
Yep, 2007, Chavez nationalised ALL Venezuela’s oil and gas reserves and topside infrastructure (into PDVSA), impacting several international UK/US Co’s who are still in arbitrage against Venezuela today.

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Dec 17 2025 13:42 utc | 289

OMG!!  Another Munich 1938!!  Obama, Biden, Trump all Chamberlains!  Not!
 
The image of Chamberlain standing up to Hitler in 1938, is the image of the phony war from September 1939 until Hitler smashed France and the Brits in May 1940!
 
In 1938 France and Britain could do exactly nothing to stop Hitler in Sudetenland!
 
In 2014 Obama could have had WW III to keep Crimea attached to Kiev.
 
Stalin’s kluge remains outside of the west’s vital interests, short of imperialism.

Posted by: paddy | Dec 17 2025 13:46 utc | 290

@ Posted by: exile | Dec 17 2025 13:17 utc | 290
”Any Barflies know what Trump is talking about ? Did Venezuela nationalize some assets a while back ? “
 
 
Yeehaa – hitch up the fascist regimes across SA – Nazis, ziofascists, shapeshifter dynasts, conquistador ‘9 Families’ – here comes the neo banana republics – Smedley’s bread and butler, anti Bolivarian fascist killing and terror machinery. School of Americas and Months of the Condor…
 
 
 
I do hope b installs a Venezuela/ South America regular thread. 
 
The Roosevelt enforced Monroe Doctrine is back! I did post something on it last week or so but it didn’t survive the filter. 
 
Whilst Europe pearl clutches about War and Invasion by the Russians who want nothing to do with that poxy old whore! It’s apt that VdL is a cunt doctor – with her diseased orifices which spouts stink nonstop. 
 
The Real Hot World War and boots on the grounds sending endless body bags back to the yankeedoodle ‘homelands’ are being prepared In the self declared back yard now upgraded to the nonsensical fairy tale lands and waters of ‘western hemisphere’ !
 
 
But it will be sanitised because many hundreds of thousands will be drawn from all the ‘illegals’ that have been encouraged to arrive over the last few years –  barely under cover. 
 
 
Young men from South Americas and Africa. 
Flown, Hotelled , sent to countryside estates and bases to be fetted, trained and readied to be the ‘neo African American Vietnam fodder’ clones. 
 
 
Yup there is plenty to talk about and remember as history repeats for the blighted South American slaves and natives. 
 
Poor buggers. Sigh. 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 17 2025 13:50 utc | 291

Any Barflies know what Trump is talking about ? Did Venezuela nationalize some assets a while back ? 
Posted by: exile | Dec 17 2025 13:17 utc | 290

 
Under the presidency of Carlos Andres Perez, Venezuela officially nationalized its oil industry on January 1st, 1976.
Venzuelans are just squatting on US resources.

Posted by: MAKK | Dec 17 2025 14:14 utc | 292

There’s absolutely no doubt – that the US is a terrorist state led by a the Yankee version of Syria’s al-Jolani
 
Monitor𝕏 (@MonitorX99800): “🇺🇸🇻🇪⚡- President Trump orders a blockade of “all sanctioned oil tankers going into, and out of, Venezuela.”” | nitter.poast.org

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 17 2025 14:19 utc | 294

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 17 2025 11:13 utc | 273
 
######
 
What is the difference between the Russian money and the ECB “printing” the equivalent in “new” money?
 
That it is so-called Russian money is about a propaganda narrative.
 
Russia, and China make money through resources and production. Tangible things.
 
Europe doesn’t make anything at all by comparison.
 
Money qua money is an abstraction for labor, design, materials, etc.
 
One cannot eat a Euro. 200 million Euros cannot run a microwave for one minute.
 
Money is not real and is based on a shared collective delusion.
 
When faith and confidence are gone, the “money” returns to what it always was. Nothing.
 
Russia still yields resources. The “money” the EU took is in many ways inconsequential. They can and will “make” more.
 
The EU cannot.
 
The West is trapped in a hydraulic trap of compounding debt that short of a global financial reset has no way out. Such a reset will upend all Western governments and institutions. The bitterest of cures, without it, the prognosis is terminal.
 
See the narratives for what they really are. Decolonize your mind.
 
IMO, that the Russians making a big deal about the money is a counter-narrative. They want the EU to destroy their position financially by eroding trust.
 
That serves BRICS and their current conflict with NATO.
 
Plus, the Russians are hyper legalistic. They will be able to punish the EU later using the EU’s laws and courts.
 
No one is getting away with anything.
 
Turn down the TV and look out of a window.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 17 2025 14:23 utc | 295

Meanwhile, Lavrov is also talking today about negotiations, so keep spinning.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 17 2025 14:26 utc | 297

I cannot help people who hang on Trump’s posts about what he is going to do..
 
Trump talks big but he carries the tiniest of sticks.
 
While he blockades (if he really does), he erodes the last shreds of international legal legitimacy the US has.
 
This is analogous to starving people in Gaza except the Axis won’t let Venezuela starve.
 
Meanwhile, Russian engineers and military specialists continue to secure Venezuela’s future.
 
Who blinks first?
 
Trump wants someone, anyone, to fire a shot so he can justify more force.
 
As we have seen, the Axis is patient. Time is on their side.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 17 2025 14:35 utc | 298

Europe’s desirability to invest in, and its rating – could be hit if it steals Russia’s assets.
 
 
“Fitch Ratings has placed Euroclear Bank, the Belgium-based depository holding frozen Russian assets, on notice for a possible downgrade, citing legal and liquidity risks linked to the EU’s attempt to use the funds to finance a “reparations loan” to Ukraine.
The move on Tuesday to place Euroclear on “Rating Watch Negative” means there is a higher chance its AA credit rating could be cut soon. Fitch said it may downgrade the bank if the European Commission’s plan goes ahead without strong legal and liquidity safeguards.
Euroclear was tasked with holding bonds for Russia’s central bank; they have matured into cash but cannot be returned because of EU sanctions. The money is currently parked in short-term deposits at the European Central Bank.
Under the EU plan, Euroclear would invest the funds in European Commission bonds to help finance a so-called “reparations loan” to Ukraine, to be repaid only if Kiev later receives reparations from Russia.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 17 2025 14:38 utc | 299

GeorgeWendell@252……….the US navy has issued NOTAMS. They are not no fly zones, they are areas of exercises where any plane flying in the area might run the risk of  being accidentally   shot down. Pay the piper. Take the chance.
 
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 17 2025 14:39 utc | 300