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December 16, 2025
Flim Flam Theater Of Peace Talks On Ukraine

The negotiations over the weekend between the U.S., Ukraine and Europe about the parameters of a ceasefire or peace agreement with Russia were surreal. The three sides are fighting each other over detailed points that Russia is sure to reject. They also left out important points which Russia had named as its priority items.

There is no way that any of this will lead to peace. Which may well be the point of the whole theater.

Zelenskyy and Trump hail peace talks progress as US offers security guaranteesPolitico.eu

Western leaders welcomed major progress in talks on a potential peace deal on Monday after nearly four years of full-scale war in Ukraine, for the first time outlining how security guarantees could prevent Vladimir Putin from invading again.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy gave an upbeat assessment of a dramatic new offer from American officials to provide a NATO-style assurance to protect Ukraine.

The proposals look “pretty good,” Zelenskyy said at the end of two days of talks with Donald Trump’s negotiators in Berlin. Trump himself said “we are closer now than we have been ever” to peace.

But the Ukrainian president cautioned that the plans were only a “first draft,” with significant questions remaining unresolved. For example, there was still no deal on what should happen to contested territory in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, much of which is occupied by Russian troops. And there’s no indication that Russian dictator Vladimir Putin will agree to any of it.

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, who hosted the talks, welcomed what he called the “remarkable” legal and “material” security guarantees that American negotiators Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, had proposed.

“For the first time since 2022, a ceasefire is conceivable,” Merz said at a press conference with Zelenskyy. “It is now entirely up to Russia whether a ceasefire can be achieved by Christmas.”

Where to start?

No, Mr. Merz, there is no conceivable ceasefire. Russia does not want one. A ceasefire would allow Ukraine to recover and get ready for the next round of war. Russia wants a peace agreement that not only covers Ukraine but defines a new security architecture for the whole of Europe. Russia also wants physical control over the four oblast, plus Crimea, that voted to become members of the Russian Federation. It wants a Ukraine that is disarmed and denazified.

Neither seems to be on offer.

Instead we get some spectacle over U.S. ‘security guarantees’ conditioned on Ukrainian concessions of land. Zelenski is trying to cash in the first while not conceding the second:

“The basis of that agreement is basically to have really, really strong guarantees, Article 5-like,” a senior U.S. official said. “Those guarantees will not be on the table forever. Those guarantees are on the table right now if there’s a conclusion that’s reached in a good way.”

[T]he American officials mostly avoided specifics on how they aimed to bridge other gaps on territorial disputes. They said they left Zelenskyy with “thought-provoking ideas” on how to do so.

Translation: “This is pure flim flam.”

The Europeans are likewise delusional:

Merz, along with his counterparts from Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, U.K., Sweden and the EU put out a statement welcoming “significant progress” in the U.S. effort and committing to helping Ukraine to end the war and deter Russian aggression, including through a European-led multinational force for Ukraine supported by the U.S.

The joint statement by the Europeans makes several points which are completely unrealistic and which neither the U.S. nor Russia nor European voters will be willing to accept or support:

Both the US and European leaders committed to work together to provide robust security guarantees and economic recovery support measures for Ukraine in the context of an agreement on ending the war. This would include commitments to:

  • Provide sustained and significant support to Ukraine to build its armed forces, which should remain at a peacetime level of 800,000 to be able to deter conflict and defend Ukraine’s territory.
  • A European-led ‘multinational force Ukraine’ made up from contributions from willing nations within the framework of the Coalition of the Willing and supported by the US. It will assist in the regeneration of Ukraine’s forces, in securing Ukraine’s skies, and in supporting safer seas, including through operating inside Ukraine.
  • A US led ceasefire monitoring and verification mechanism with international participation to provide early warning of any future attack and attribute and respond to any breaches along with a deconfliction mechanism to work on mutual deescalatory actions that can be taken to benefit all parties.
  • A legally binding commitment, subject to national procedures, to take measures to restore peace and security in the case of a future armed attack. These measures may include armed force, intelligence and logistical assistance, economic and diplomatic actions.
  • Invest in the future prosperity of Ukraine, including making major resources available for recovery and reconstruction, mutually beneficial trade agreements, and taking into account the need for Russia to compensate Ukraine for the damage caused. In this vein, Russian sovereign assets in the European Union have been immobilised.
  • Strongly support Ukraine’s accession to the European Union.

Each of those points is hybris and wishful thinking.

  • There is no way Ukraine, with barely 25 million inhabitants left half of which are pensioners, can sustain a 800,000 strong peacetime army.
  • Russia has rejected any foreign forces in Ukraine and has announced that it will attack those that appear there.
  • The U.S. is party of the conflict. It has started the proxy war against Russia and continues to take part in it by supporting the Ukrainian military with intelligence and communication. A party of a war can not be the one to monitor a ‘ceasefire’.
  • One major reason for the conflict in Ukraine was the prospect of its membership in NATO. To reintroduce that under the guise of a multilateral ‘legally binding commitment’ will not be accepted by Russia.
  • Europe does not have the money to invest in Ukraine. Russia is winning the war. It will not ‘compensate Ukraine’ for
    any damage but may well ask for reparations paid by Ukraine for damage it has caused on Russian land.
  • There will be no accession of Ukraine into the European Union in any foreseeable future. Some 65% of the EU budget are payments to more rural countries under the ‘Common Agricultural Policy’. Poland’s farmers are currently the biggest net-recipients. If Ukraine enters the EU nearly all of the CAP money would flow towards it. It is implausible that Poland and other rural EU members will vote for this.

The whole delusion plan the European leaders have put out in their joint statement is designed to prolong the conflict. As Elijah Magnier summarizes the joint statement:

Rather than integrating Ukraine into a post-war European security order, the EU plan institutionalises Ukraine as a frontline security asset, not a normalised state. The EU want Ukraine to become a permanently militarised society.

The current negotiated parameters can not lead to a peace agreement with Russia.

The Trump administration needs to take a step back. It can deliver the currently negotiated package to Russia which will study it and ask for negotiations of ‘details’ that will take several years to find some end point. Or it can put the whole issue aside for now and go for a retry in six to twelve months.

By then Ukraine will be much worse off than it is today: All of Ukraine will have been de-electrified, Zelenski may well be gone, Zaparozhia and Kerson may well have fallen to Russian forces, European willingness to support Ukraine will have  dwindled further.

By then resistance to a peace agreement, be it by Ukraine or Europe, will have decreased. Only then will peace in Ukraine and Europe become a real possibility.

Comments

thanks b…
 
seems like the game here is to play good guy – bad guy… usa good guy – europe bad guy… it is a shitty skit and russia is not falling for it.. maybe the maga crowd is though, lol.. 
 
unless something changes, i suspect this war will drag on until russia finishes it… 

Posted by: james | Dec 16 2025 16:28 utc | 1

Negotiating among themselves about who stands where as they form a circular firing squad.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 16 2025 16:35 utc | 2

The west ‘negotiating’ with itself is either ultimate stupidity or delaying tactic. I would say both.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 16 2025 16:40 utc | 3

The Ukraine troops will go home. That’s how this ends. A few officers get whacked, of course. 
 
 

Posted by: seer | Dec 16 2025 16:47 utc | 4

Ceasefire? => English Translation => Rearmament
 
A ceasefire, in this context, is just another way to extend the violence…it’s an act of war not peace.  That said, the SloMo/attrition-fans should be delighted…as it will mean more dead conscripts.
 
Until the Russians start cutting into the numbers of Galician Waffen SS hiding in the rear we’ll have to listen to nearly endless ceasefire proposals.  As long as the war remains linear, the Waffen SS hiding in the rear of formations as forcing-troops will always be able to scamper back in time.  Word is, SS-Troops are now rounding up any male they can find and shipping them to the Russian front with no training, they force them to put on a uniform.
 
Peace Proposals?  Here’s mine, start killing SS-Troops en-masse while offing articles of surrender.

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 16 2025 16:52 utc | 5

“a 800,000 strong peacetime army.”Which would basically be 60% of the total EU armies put together. Honestly, were I Poland, Slovakia or Romania, I would be quite afraid of having such a huge army next door – however peaceful they claim to be -, and wouldn’t mind if Russia cut it down to size even more.”There will be no accession of Ukraine into the European Union in any foreseeable future. Some 65% of the EU budget are payments to more rural countries under the ‘Common Agricultural Policy’. Poland’s farmers are currently the biggest net-recipients. If Ukraine enters the EU nearly all of the CAP money would flow towards it. It is implausible that Poland and other rural EU members will vote for this.”Well, Southern Europe was the main recipient of EU money before former Soviet countries joined the Union. Anyone knew that most of that money would be rerouted towards Poland, Romania and the like. Which happened and left Southern Europe (“PIGS”) with piling debts and the logical outcome in the 2009-2012 debt crisis. Yet those Southern governments were cretinous enough to agree to EU expansion. Though I suppose Polish leadership at least is less braindead – even if Baltic or Romanian is.”The EU want Ukraine to become a permanently militarised society.”Basically, to turn it into a bigger Israel?

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 16 2025 16:57 utc | 6

Circus, the clown show.
 
Propaganda intended to claim Putin wants war, all the way to Normandy 

Posted by: paddy | Dec 16 2025 16:57 utc | 7

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 16 2025 16:52 utc | 5

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The nazi’s foreign money will run out.  That’s when they turn on each other. They’ll do that more efficiently than Russia. 

Posted by: seer | Dec 16 2025 17:01 utc | 8

The whole proposal is a rearmament and resupplying of Ukraine with, in addition, NATO troops at Russian borders.
 

Posted by: scc | Dec 16 2025 17:04 utc | 9

I sure would like to be a fly on the EU/NATO wall when Russia takes Odessa and forever cuts Ukraine off from the Black Sea. The exploding heads will make for great entertainment. 🙂

Posted by: ZimInSeattle | Dec 16 2025 17:08 utc | 10

Until the aggressors confess to their having started the war in 2014, the roots of the matter will never be addressed to Russia’s very reasonable demand. The Outlaws on both sides of the Atlantic don’t want to surrender and admit once again that Russia won and they lost. So, yes, it’s theatre aimed at supporting the Narrative/Propaganda line that Russia started it all in 2022–the true roots must never be conceded. Just like Plan Ost can never be discussed in the West despite the veracity of its existence, just as it can never be admitted that most of Europe was once Fascist and was happy to align with Hitler against Russia and help it attain the Plan Ost goals. Russia would like to avoid having to defeat all of Europe again. But if it must, Russia won’t send its armies West; it will send its missiles instead if European citizens fail to do their duty and don’t overthrow the EU/NATO Dictatorship.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2025 17:09 utc | 11

Judge Napolitano:

Scott Ritter : Russia and EU: Which Is the Enemy?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqSbFE9NBRY

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 17:14 utc | 12

“By then resistance to a peace agreement, be it by Ukraine or Europe, will have decreased. Only then will peace in Ukraine and Europe become a real possibility.”
At an AA meeting, someone would say that Nato has to hit rock bottom first before it can reach the phase of “acceptance”.  I suppose we’re still not there yet.  

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 16 2025 17:20 utc | 13

If the Europeans invest in an extensive concentric lines of fortification, then 600 000 is ample to keep Russia from overrunning Ukraine. The prospect of another years long attrition campaign like the one they are grinding through is deterrence in itself. But I think they know this and the fooforaw about the higher number is a commitment to a greater aggressive capacity on Ukraine’s part. That is, they are still not serious about a peace. The thinking, if you can call it that, may be that a collapse of Ukrainian lines still cannot result in the conquest of Ukraine because Russian forces are still far too small. Plus, the tactical advantages of defense are such that any piecemeal advances can always be resisted by minimal forces. It’s not like Russia is a threat to the rest of Europe, they are tied down in Ukraine (and Syria and Kaliningrad too, in a different way.) There’s plenty of time to rearm, even under reorganize NATO to act semi-independently.
 
As for a general settlement, I’ve been thinking about Putin’s endorsement of the old 28-point plan as a feasible basis for further negotiation? Try as I might I cannot help but think this was about the point in it which guaranteed the US a slice of the assets. I think it is far too easy to put too much stock into Trumpery about withdrawing from NATO. NATO is not Europe getting a free ride, it’s an instrument of US control and a worldwide terror machine, things the imperialist thug Trump does actually want. (I believe anyone who thinks Trump is an agent of peace is merely a cultist.) But Putin seems to pride himself on a worldly shrewdness devoid of abstract principles. Basically bribing Trump may strike him as the cunning that can defy mere imperialism? Which he likely thinks of as old Marxist BS, instead of a real thing?
 
 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 16 2025 17:21 utc | 14

I sure would like to be a fly on the EU/NATO wall when Russia takes Odessa and forever cuts Ukraine off from the Black Sea. The exploding heads will make for great entertainment. 🙂
Posted by: ZimInSeattle | Dec 16 2025 17:08 utc | 10
 
This piece, Larry Fink just having been in Ukraine, Chinese Sovereign debt trading at a value higher than Treasuries and a new Shire Reef at MI6, leads me to guess that the loss of Odessa has already been discounted and hedged against. The clandestine regime change powers, as the wests most valuable asset in its portfolio, will go on unabated for as long as the SMO continues.  

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 16 2025 17:23 utc | 15

What a tiresome mind-numbing dog and pony show.

Posted by: Fredrick | Dec 16 2025 17:23 utc | 16

Ukraine will be delighted. There is talk of a so-called Christmas truce. Putin has already agreed to such a truce once before, and Russian troops had to retreat from advantageous positions, in some cases in chaotic fashion. This “Putin-is-a-good-guy” attitude then cost the lives of thousands of Russian soldiers.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 16 2025 17:29 utc | 17

🇩🇪🇺🇦Germany has handed over two more Patriot systems and the ninth IRIS-T SLM to Ukraine, announced German Defense Minister Pistorius at the Ramstein meeting.

https://t.me/intelslava/80575
 
Wasn’t Germany afraid of Russia? Maybe not?

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 16 2025 17:31 utc | 18

After an examination of the ‘the Bondi strike’ as ‘terrorism’and its implications, Helmer says US wants to keep their NATO platform in Ukraine, as ‘Trump covers his retreat’.
 
DW: John Helmer
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRTZLLve8o
 
“The ‘Bondi strike’ as ‘terrorism’. Trump raises the [Ukraine] stakes. Putin strikes faster.”
 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 16 2025 17:42 utc | 19

The longer this goes on, the more likely it is that Russia will suffer defeat.. behind the scenes are plans and activities designed to take Russia down before 2030.. what happens in Ukraine are now front line delaying tactics …smoke screen tactics designed to deceive Russia.. designed to delay and restrain Chinese, Iranian,Nk assistance to Russia and to reduce the perceived need of Russia, China, Nk, Iran, Pakistan and India to collaborate on establishing a defensive network that can protect their assets from king of the mountain greed. 
IF Russia is to survive it will need to accelerate its territorial gains in Ukraine and expand the war to include take the war to the turf of all western NATO nations which I think Putin is not ever going to do.. 
What I cannot put together yet is how do Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey and Australia  fit into this?  
 
 

Posted by: snake | Dec 16 2025 17:43 utc | 20

Helmer (corrected)
https://www.youtube.com/live/-jRTZLLve80

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 16 2025 17:45 utc | 21

Which negotiator is more legitimate, Kuschner or Zelinsky?
 
Neither seems “legal”. 
 

Posted by: too scents | Dec 16 2025 17:47 utc | 22

John Helmer : “Trump raises the stakes. Putin strikes harder.”(final try)
https://www.youtube.com/@dialogueworks01/streams

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 16 2025 17:49 utc | 23

If the Europeans invest in an extensive concentric lines of fortification …
 
Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 16 2025 17:21 utc | 14
 

 
The Dnieper River is that line.
 

Posted by: too scents | Dec 16 2025 17:54 utc | 24

The Magnier quote “Rather than integrating Ukraine into a post-war European security order, the EU plan institutionalises Ukraine as a frontline security asset, not a normalised state. The EU want Ukraine to become a permanently militarised society” seems the most in tune with EU thinking. Stand up Ukraine and continue to use Ukrainians as the cannon fodder, while the weapons makers and other war grifters are fed from the fear generated in the western populace. 
And with that in mind, Russia’s strategy of slow grind over the past three years makes more and more sense: there was never a hope of a real peace here anyway, just too much money/careers to be made. Once there are no more Ukrainian soldiers left and Europeans actually have people dying themselves, then peace may come.

Posted by: Caliman | Dec 16 2025 17:55 utc | 25

So these European politicians must surely also be demanding that Israel pays for the rebuilding of Gaza? Or are their principles flexible?

Posted by: Dave G | Dec 16 2025 17:57 utc | 26

This is just another propaganda maneuver to present a “ceasefire” (actually time for rearmament), which, when predictably rejected by Russia, will then be portrayed in the Western media as “Russia does not want peace at all,” thus justifying further armament. The target is not the world, but rather the theater is for their own citizens.

Posted by: smartfox | Dec 16 2025 17:57 utc | 27

The 800k army size for Ukraine envisioned in the self-deluded circle jerk ceasefire treaty is intended to constitute of mostly EU/Nato troops. More recently, Colombian troops who mostly did the recent attack in Kupyansk.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 18:00 utc | 28

Snake @  20
Your bottem line question.
 
Russia gets ukraine ( temperarly ).
America  gets the Middle East and iran,  plus the americas ,   austrailia .
 
Europe gets jack shit.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 16 2025 18:04 utc | 29

People seem to forget that whoever started the war in Ukraine put a quick end on all discussions on NATO’s biggest disaster yet: getting their collective asses whupped out of Afghanistan by a bunch of goat herders wear flip flops. 
A new warwas needed, a new war came.
Imagine that new war ending in an even bigger disaster than Afghanistan. Plus NATO’s only enemy disappearing in smoke. The same smoke that von der Leyen, Merz, Macron, Starmer will disappear in when their voters learn that they have been lied to by their own leaders. That Putin can and will be our partner rather than the monster he’s been made by NATO for very selfish reasons.
Add to that that for NATO, 800000 Putin haters, hay to fie as cannon fodder, in a low-salary country is every generals dream. And possibly the only way they’ll ever get, given the rising scepticism among the the future draftees in Europe. 
 
Peace is the last thing NATO wants. Except for,p possibly, Us-president Trump, the only adult in the room smart enough to understand the bigger picture. 

Posted by: Marvin | Dec 16 2025 18:06 utc | 30

This is not gloating, but I called all of this last year before the election.
 
It has always been obvious, despite the endless media circus and commentary (in the alt-commentariat in particular), that this would never resolve “with a deal”.
 
One only had to watch Putin sitting with the mothers of soldiers killed in the conflict to understand that he could not accept anything less than total victory as defined by Russia.
 
Trump, meanwhile, is yet another figurehead President with zero agency and surrounded (as usual) by neocons (of his choosing), would never be able to offer Putin what Putin wants. Even if he wanted to, Trump is constrained by a continuity of agenda that is set by shadowy, nameless figures somewhere (probably not in America).
 
As the old American flag from the state of Georgia says, “Come and take it“. And that is precisely what the Russians are doing.
 
As to be expected of a sophisticated people who can walk AND chew gum, the Russians have boxed out the Europeans in Africa and America with Venezuela. Nicaragua and Colombia to follow the same multipolar BRICSian soft power approach. Russia is spreading its wings (a shield) over the Americas.
 
While everyone is distracted elsewhere, the Russians are codifying and formalizing their Arctic strategy, essentially encircling Europe.
 
Much of what Russia does is legal and structured to be enduring. As long as they can make a strong legal case, the ROW will follow their lead.
 
This game was over a long time ago, but it will likely play out for several more years yet.
 
The power of denial is not to be underestimated.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 16 2025 18:08 utc | 31

b is correct here.  The US, Volo and the Nato nerds are negotiating with themselves.  They are clearly delusional.  US troops on the ground will never be a guarantor of any “peace” deal.  And any NATO troops sent will be promptly attacked by RF forces – that point is clear.
Its all irrelevant.  RF will never allow the Ukronazi regime to continue to exist on its doorstep.
RF will never agree to a ceasefire until it control Odessa, all the Black Sea ports, a land bridge to Transnistria, and Hungary.
RF holds all the cards on the battlefield as it continues to steamroll the UAF forces all along the front.
Peace deal by Christmas – forget it !

Posted by: tobias cole | Dec 16 2025 18:08 utc | 32

Like I’ve said before, most western politicians are actors reading lines from a script prepared by writers working for the true rulers of the west.  It’s not just the politicians, it’s the the feuding pundits as well.
 
B may may finally begun to realize this truth.  As he wrote above, “Which may well be the point of the whole theater.”
 
Yep, it’s a show.  Don’t take it too seriously.

Posted by: Nobody Special | Dec 16 2025 18:08 utc | 33

And they still do not take into account the COUP.
 
Any peace plan to end the war in Ukraine must take into account the COUP.
 
IN 2014 THE UNITED STATES CONDUCTED A COUP IN UKRAINE.
 
In 2014 the United States (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the democratically elected Yanukovich government which was considered insufficiently pro-Europe).
 
Many in Eastern Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government sent in the military to deal with the eastern rebels.
 
The media claimed, and still claims, that the U.S. backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they champion (vigorously support) a march to the Russian border.
 
WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
Imagine that in 2014 Russia (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the Yanukovich government which many considered too pro-Europe).
 
Perhaps many in Western Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government called in the Russian military to deal with the western rebels.
 
Of course, to be consistent, the media would have to claim that the Russian backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and that they championed a march of the Russian military to the Polish border.
 
The important point is that statements such as “coup-Ukraine will not give up any of its land,” and “Zelenski Rejects Giving Land” make no sense.
 
This is because the coup-government, and its successors, never established authority over all of Ukraine.
 
WHAT IF THE CHINESE HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
What if the Chinese (aligned with a leftist/communist faction in the Ukrainian government) had conducted a coup in Kiev. Would this give them authority over all of Ukraine?
 
What is the legal situation?
 
A few notes on the 2014 Coup in Ukraine.
 
About a month before the coup the US Under/Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, was taped telling US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, why she wanted Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be the prime minister of the upcoming coup-government, rather than the boxer Vitali Klitschko who was apparently the favorite for the position.
 
The Russians released the tape to the internet. Some thought this would stop the coup going ahead.
 
However, the coup went ahead, Nuland’s order was carried out, and Yatsenyuk got the job of prime minister.
 
Klitschko got the job of mayor of Kiev.
 
Everyone in sight (except possibly Tyahnybok) was a Jew but you are not allowed to call it a Jew coup.
 
You are allowed to call it a Nazi coup though.
 
All this led directly to the 2014 coup-Ukraine vs rebel-Ukraine civil war,
 
which led to the 2022 coup-Ukraine-NATO vs rebel-Ukraine-Russia war.
 
So here we are; the Jews get 80% of Ukraine with a coup. And they demand more.
 
And the Russians get 20% by war. Clearly, the Russians should get into the coup business.
 
And the Ukrainians,…. get killed in large numbers.

Posted by: John | Dec 16 2025 18:11 utc | 34

Thanks for the posting b…..hybris should be hubris maybe
 
One observation would be that the financial cost of this kabuki is less than the Venezuela kabuki cost but more costly in terms of geopolitical dynamics.
 
I continue to posit that Ukraine military or societal collapse are more likely than a negotiated settlement.  Both of those collapses will result in some sort of MAD contextualized surrender by the West.
 
I also think this Ukraine collapse will occur before the time frame planned by Europe to take on Russia themselves so European collapse and EU/NATO disintegration are givens.
 
There are all these geopolitical dominoes set up to fall and it remains to be seen which one will set off the chain reaction into Western collapse, world war or both.
 
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and if it looks like a civilization war and smells like a civilization war then it just might be all about a serious challenge to the form of social organization that has dominated the past few thousand years.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 16 2025 18:14 utc | 35

@ Posted by: snake | Dec 16 2025 17:43 utc | 20

 
Thank you for posting your concern about Russia’s welfare.
Now, back beneath your rock.
 

Posted by: Clever Dog | Dec 16 2025 18:15 utc | 36

Oh and to add to my @ 29
The izzyies get all the above by controlling  american and europiean political partys.
 
Russia  ? Who knows they seem to like izzies.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 16 2025 18:17 utc | 37

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov told ABC News during an exclusive interview on Monday that he believes the warring parties are “on the verge” of a diplomatic solution to end Moscow’s war.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/russia-ukraine-verge-deal-end-201014652.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&segment_id=DY_VTO_CORE&ncid=crm_19908-1475736-20251216-0–A&bt_ee=02kNPsyp8ffF962v0zSR5K4rmai9P0s0ttlM7InI9cN%2BQR61eGwzt9yFBdpFS%2FcW&bt_ts=1765887403213https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/russia-ukraine-verge-deal-end-war-deputy-foreign/story%3fid=128390935

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 18:18 utc | 38

Personally, I’m assembling a powerful international coalition of high European and American government officials to help me determine how to spend the $Trillion that I’m going to receive from the Tooth Fairy the next time my dentist needs to extract a tooth.  Or maybe the money is from that Nigerian lottery winner who keeps asking for my checking account number… 

Posted by: JohnH | Dec 16 2025 18:18 utc | 39

Thanks b. Hope you’re safe.
Very little attention is being given to the Democrats. The DNC is completely neocon/zionist. My guess is that they are working feverishly with Cheney republicans to set traps for Trump. Little Narco Rubio is the chief mole hiding in plain sight, connected with Lindsey Graham and dem senator Blumenthal.
Look at Trump’s erratic behavior. The neocons are playing him like a hooked bass: he reaches out to the Russians and the Dems along with the Repub neocons and Euro fascists lay back, give him line, then they reel him back as seen in Berlin.
bottom line, US imperial power groups are dominated by the neocons, Trump is outside looking in and is being set up which is easy to do given his pathologies.  Russia will prevail while the imperial clowns shrivel.

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 16 2025 18:18 utc | 40

One of the reasons why Kallas and VDL are going full Soviet censorship is because all the corruption investigations are closing in on them. Their response is berserk-paranoia like persecution of people they are afraid of and contradicts their money-laundering Ukraine project narratives.
Someone also said (Doomberg?) EU may collapse if the Ukraine conflict were to end peacefully, by leading to exposing the massive gaps in EU budgets, financial and banking systems. This may well be true.
Stop the lunatics!

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 18:19 utc | 41

Hudson’s chat with Glenn Diesen today is excellent, Michael Hudson: The Economic Unravelling of the Political West

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2025 18:21 utc | 42

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 18:18 utc | 38


Yahoo news, don’t believe that at all… they are Hasbara/CIA BS outlets. They have a history of inventing, misplacing, mis-representing or mis-interpreting words.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 18:22 utc | 43

The US on Monday said that there’s consensus from Ukraine and Europe on about 90% of the peace plan, while Donald Trump added: ‘I think we’re closer now than we have been, ever’ to a peace settlement. 
But Zelensky warned that key issues, including the fate of Ukrainian territory captured by Vladimir Putin’s invading forces, are yet to be resolved. 
He reiterated that Kyiv rules out recognising Moscow‘s control over any part of the Donbas, an economically important region in eastern Ukraine made up of Luhansk and Donetsk, neither of which Russia’s army fully controls. 
‘The Americans are trying to find a compromise,’ Zelensky said, before visiting the Netherlands on Tuesday. ‘They are proposing a “free economic zone” [in the Donbas region]. And I want to stress once again: a “free economic zone” does not mean under the control of the Russian Federation.’
The land issue remains one of the most difficult obstacles to a comprehensive agreement.

Posted by: Jo | Dec 16 2025 18:24 utc | 44

It’s worth repeating that Russia has never opposed Ukraine joining the EU. So let the EU put its money where its mouth is and accept Ukraine into the EU immediately. This should be the demand of the patriotic Ukrainians, if there are still any. The whole EU/Zionist cabals care neither about Ukraine nor its people. When are the unfortunate recruits being daily sent to their untimely deaths going to get that fact into their heads and start turning their guns on their commanders?

Posted by: Steve | Dec 16 2025 18:26 utc | 45

According to: https://sputnikglobe.com/20251216/russia-receives-no-signals-about-outcome-of-negotiations-on-ukrainian-settlement—kremlin-1123308302.html Russia has yet to receive any communication about the latest negotiations.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 16 2025 18:26 utc | 46

Non-agreement-capable non-diplomats “negotiating” for a PR stunt needed for Prez Chump to “win” an IgNoble Peace Prize.

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 16 2025 18:27 utc | 47

@Dave G | Dec 16 2025 17:57 utc | 26

So these European politicians must surely also be demanding that Israel pays for the rebuilding of Gaza? Or are their principles flexible?

No, they will simply call such ideas ‘whataboutism’.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 16 2025 18:30 utc | 48

@ migueljose | Dec 16 2025 18:18 utc | 40
 
trump isn’t well.. i just got off the phone with my 94 year old aunt who is very sharp.. that is her take, lol..  mental decline has set in… his commentary on the reneir deaths is outrageous… if the guy had any decency, which he doesn’t – he wouldn’t have said what he said.. he is clearly losing it and a small minded vindictive person.. 

Posted by: james | Dec 16 2025 18:32 utc | 49

Zerohedge claims Ukraine’s (anti) corruption agency NABU is very close to implicating Zelensky personally.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 18:32 utc | 50

Posted by: Steve | Dec 16 2025 18:26 utc | 45
 
If they can bypass rules to seize Russian assets they can fast-track Ukraine into the EU. They won’t. Their object has always been a `former Soviet Union liberal shock therapy’ on Ukraine’s public assets. 

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 16 2025 18:39 utc | 51

@Unimperator:
So your claim is that NBC News invented an interview out of whole cloth? For what purpose?
Because if you actually read the story, Rybakov’s words are pretty plain, but whatever you have to tell yourself. 

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 18:46 utc | 52

unimperator | Dec 16 2025 18:22 utc | 43
 
Russia’s International Affairs journal has a good synopsis of the interview that essentially says nothing has caused Russia’s position to change:
 
No concessions from Russia, dialogue with US: statements by Russian senior diplomat
 
Sergey Ryabkov reiterated that Russia “stands firm” on the understandings reached during the meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Donald Trump in Anchorage. Russia will not make any concessions regarding Donbass, Novorossiya and Crimea, this is out of the question, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said in an interview with ABC News.
 
He also noted that Washington is demonstrating a “sober” approach in its relations with Moscow.
 
About negotiations on Ukraine
 
Russia is “appreciative” of the efforts being taken by the Trump administration toward a settlement in Ukraine and seeks to put an end to the conflict: “We want to finish this on the premise that is sufficient to sides that are involved.”
 
Moscow does not yet understand the outcome of the negotiations between the Ukrainian, American, and European delegations at the Berlin meeting on the peaceful settlement of the Ukrainian conflict: “We have no idea what transpires there.”
 
Russia “stands firm” on the understandings reached during the meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Donald Trump in Anchorage.
 
Washington is demonstrating a “sober” approach in its relations with Moscow: “I think it is a sober, and, if you wish, a cool environment where people listen to one another, stick their heads together in order to try to find a way forward.”
 
On inadmissibility of concessions
 
Kiev and its European partners expect a “deep and very wrong” revision of the US peace proposal.
 
Russia will not make any concessions regarding Donbass, Novorossiya, and Crimea: “We are not able in any form to compromise on this, because it would be, in our view, a revision of a very fundamental element of our statehood, set forth through our constitution.”
 
Moscow will under no circumstances consent to the deployment of Western troops in Ukraine in any form, including within the NATO framework: “We are open-minded in terms of what decisions might be made. We definitely will not at any time subscribe to, agree to, or even be content with, any presence of NATO troops on Ukrainian territory.”
 

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2025 18:47 utc | 53

At an AA meeting, someone would say that Nato has to hit rock bottom first before it can reach the phase of “acceptance”. I suppose we’re still not there yet.  
 
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 16 2025 17:20 utc | 13
 
Please take greater care not to feed the trolls.
Clearly separate factual knowledge from personal experiences 🙂

Posted by: BlindSpot | Dec 16 2025 18:52 utc | 54

Only the complete defeat of the Neo-Nazi dictatorship by Russia in Ukraine,  will see any real developments – Russia will just keep pushing ahead until Ukraine’s forces are spent – many Ukrainians want to see an end to the conflict – the West doesn’t – so Russia will ignore, as you say all the Flim Flam from the West – and continue pursuing its goals in Ukraine. 

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 16 2025 18:54 utc | 55

Daniel Davis/Deep Dive:
From Moscow Stanislav Krapivnik: Russia Will Talk & Fire Missiles

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6wbLKYWj38

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 18:55 utc | 56

“to provide a NATO-style assurance to protect Ukraine.” like installing Nazis? oh right, Zionists aren’t Nazis, and Zelenski wants Ukraine to be Israel, so Ukraine can expect in future the kind of protection from not-Nazi NATO that Israel and Ukraine are getting right now?
 
 
Precisely. “and Zelenski expects to cash in.” Precisely. how long till Kiev and Tel Aviv are bombing their own airports to stop people from fleeing?

Posted by: duck n cover | Dec 16 2025 18:55 utc | 57

*** Ukraine’s (anti) corruption agency NABU is very close to implicating Zelensky personally.
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 18:32 utc | 50
 
Tyler Durden has been pretty regularly putting up pieces by Andrew Korybko
https://open.substack.com/pub/korybko/p/ukraines-anti-corruption-investigation-d04?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2zfp1k
 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 16 2025 19:02 utc | 58

No synopsis is needed. The interview is available. 

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 19:05 utc | 59

let’s see who gets stopped by TSA or the Eurozone/NATO equivalent for questioning how it is that the losing combatants defined by the ICJ as war criminals get to decide the peace terms.
 
Big B no likey. I hope Masha Gessen is/are acceptable as source(s) on social media since it/they have committed the unpardonable offense of battling over pronouns. 

Posted by: duck n cover | Dec 16 2025 19:06 utc | 60

Trump is a transactional person.   He thinks in terms of money and profits.  This is not a mystery, he talks about it all the time.
Tariffs,  looting resources,  raping the planet, gouging the vassals, he’s for all of it, as long as someone in the US gets the profits.
 
We hear a lot about the US plan to separate Russia and China, but it seems to me that Putin is working on Trump’s natural dislike for Europe in order to separate the US and Europe.
 
It seems wrong for Putin to offer Trump a piece of the profits from raiding the Arctic, since it is the US that has caused Russia’s problems, but he’s doing it anyway.
Why?   Russia lures Trump with visions of vast profits, Trump dumps Europe,  Russia can then deal with Europe without worrying about US intervention.  
That’s the only reason I can come up with to explain Russia’s offer to Trump.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 16 2025 19:07 utc | 61

Rather than saying Ryabkov didn’t say what he said, a better argument would be that his words don’t mean much and are intended to keep the Americans sweet.
 
Unfortunately, Russia has a bad habit of reaching agreements enemies who only negotiate in bad faith. See,  for example, the Black Sea deal.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 19:08 utc | 62

Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 19:05 utc | 61
 
As proven by comments, many choose to avoid watching. I read about it yesterday and looked for a transcript but found none. Nothing new was mentioned, so I deemed it unimportant, unlike Lavrov’s interview with Iranian media that I did translate, Lavrov’s Interview with the Iranian State Television and Radio Corporation

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2025 19:12 utc | 63

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 19:08 utc | 64

Don’t know about Ryabkov (apparently he also thwarted the UKR-EU/UK negotiation as meaningless diplomatic circle jerking), Ushakov said in more firm words that Russia will not accept ANY amendment EU/UK/UKR try to implement in the original US plan.
 
Since the chance of there being UKR/EU/UK amendments is 100%, it will lead nowhere. Russia won’t make any concessions regarding territorial issues.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 19:12 utc | 64

Even Mercouris is now calling it a traveling circus.
I often get frustrated by his pedantic (though sometimes interesting) analysis, but after much traveling in circles, he arrives at an exellent conclusion: If Trump were serious about this, he would not be wasting his time on Europe and Ukraine – they are in fact nearly irrelevant. This is a proxie war between the U.S. and Russia and Europe provides the entertainment and Ukraine brings the meat.
In a serious world, U.S. and Russia would sit and establish the parameters and hand those to Ukraine as take it or leave it.
All this stuff being done for the camera’s is completely pointless and unecessary.
The problem is (it appears) that Trump has no control over what happens – Lindsay Graham is acting President.
Seems somehow that the Europeans have found a back door to Lindsay.
When Trumps “representatives” bring this document tired, sweaty, out of breath and wreaking of cheap women and cigarettes, it will go right to the circular file.
The problem is that while Russia seems to be somewhat bemused by the show, I think it is causing fatigue among the people who are hanging on the news mostly fearing that they are going to accept a bad deal, I think. 

Posted by: jared | Dec 16 2025 19:15 utc | 65

There has never been a chance for peace, since neither Ukraine nor any part of the West can be trusted….It’s all Kabuki Theatre…

Posted by: pyrrhus | Dec 16 2025 19:21 utc | 67

It’s worth repeating that Russia has never opposed Ukraine joining the EU.
 
Posted by: Steve | Dec 16 2025 18:26 utc | 45
 
#####
 
Ukraine is a liability, if the EU is foolish enough to add it, why not?
 
The Russians are in no rush to take on more problems. They are not driven by ideology and corruption as the West is.
 
Better to have London financing Bankova than St. Petersburg.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 16 2025 19:22 utc | 68

@apyrrhus: you are correct concerning western and Ukrainian perfidy, but Russia keeps falling for it.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 19:22 utc | 69

The problem is that while Russia seems to be somewhat bemused by the show, I think it is causing fatigue among the people who are hanging on the news mostly fearing that they are going to accept a bad deal, I think. 
Posted by: jared | Dec 16 2025 19:15 utc | 67
 
LOL! What you think is completely without importance. Russia will do what is best for the country and will respect its constitution. You read too much of the merdias and their lies.

Posted by: Naive | Dec 16 2025 19:23 utc | 70

At an AA meeting, someone would say that Nato has to hit rock bottom first before it can reach the phase of “acceptance”. I suppose we’re still not there yet.  
 
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 16 2025 17:20 utc | 13
 
Please take greater care not to feed the trolls.
Clearly separate factual knowledge from personal experiences 🙂
 
Posted by: BlindSpot | Dec 16 2025 18:52 utc | 56
A puritanical troll.  That’s amusing.  Do you look down on those that drink?
You may want to revise that attitude, trigger.  The western ruling class will soon find solace nowhere else but in the drink.  
 

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Dec 16 2025 19:28 utc | 71

wagelaborer | Dec 16 2025 19:07 utc | 63
 
Carrots and sticks or perhaps candy and sticks since Trump has a sweet-tooth. Why Putin appears to play nice with Trump is a constant issue with regular commentators at my substack. My reply is Russia’s manipulating him to get what it wants. Deals galore can be talked about but without the “correct” peace and security settlement will go nowhere. Further, Russia has no illusions about the Outlaw US Empire’s primary Imperial Policy, which is to maintain its hegemony, and it knows it will continue being an Outlaw until substantial internal political change occurs. 
A question: Which nation is more likely to break into factional statelets and/or suffer revolutionary change, Russia or the USA?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2025 19:30 utc | 72

Continuing to grind across Zaporyzhia, Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv and Sumy strikes me as a strange way of falling for Western perfidy, but that might just be me, and Russia is really under some hypnotic spell cast by the Western political magicians.
 
But never mind that, as the report from Sputnik Globe, linked earlier, indicates, Russia has not yet received any communication, so how can it fall for something it hasn’t even seen yet?
 
I thought it was only in the US that legislation had to be signed to find out what was in it… 

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 16 2025 19:35 utc | 73

Good evening, Zelensky will get a 100% guarantee only in the morgue; it’s the most reliable organization on planet Earth. Rumor has it that from January 1 they will increase mobilization and may lower the age of conscripts. Tonight or tomorrow, a noisy disco is expected.

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Dec 16 2025 19:36 utc | 74

@ Posted by: Steve | Dec 16 2025 18:26 utc | 45
I think they have more recently voiced some reservations about that, because
the EU has shown itself to be rabidly and structurally anti-Russian.
At this point, being in the EU is equivelant to being in NATO.
Early on, their position was different.

Posted by: jared | Dec 16 2025 19:38 utc | 75

I posted a link to a two hour 30 minute interview.
 
If you are claiming that this is entirely fabricated to no obvious benefit, well, keep telling yourself that. Jam your fingers in your ears and scream “LALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!” if that makes you feel better.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 19:40 utc | 76

I posted a link to a two hour 30 minute interview.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 19:40 utc | 80
 
Which has been superseded by the latest Kremlin statements.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 16 2025 19:44 utc | 77

I believe the statement you are referring to preceded the interview, but that’s beside the point. The interview happened.
We can discuss later what if anything Ryabkov’ words mean, but pretending it didn’t happen is just silly.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 19:47 utc | 78

@ Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Dec 16 2025 19:36 utc | 78
 
Hello to you, good to see you remain safe. You are correct about the morgue! It might turn out that Zelensky has an appointment there sooner than he expected…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 16 2025 19:53 utc | 79

America 2025. Trump is working on a deal involving the Russians without talking to the Russians. 😂😂😂
 
That won’t stop Mercouris or Danny Davis from broadcasting for hours about it.
 
I feel that McGregor gets it. He seems bored when talking about Ukraine now. Nothing is happening except persistent and relentless demilitarization.
 
The grind.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 16 2025 19:54 utc | 80

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Dec 16 2025 19:36 utc | 78
Here is some hot Disco : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE8E2zfar5E , try to blast it louder than the blasts. Make all the neighborhood lovin’ ^^ You’ll need to hold on for a few more month I fear… the grown-ups have not entered the room yet 🙁

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Dec 16 2025 19:54 utc | 81

Here’s TASS, reporting on the Kremlin statement with a time stamp of 10:37, today’s date.
https://tass.com/politics/2059343

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 16 2025 20:00 utc | 82

A difference, a nuance perhaps, in seeing something as fixed and static, or seeing it as merely a snapshot of a particular point in a dynamic flow, that continues to move on.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 16 2025 20:04 utc | 83

We don’t know when Peskov made his statement or when the report was written, but it would make sense that it happened before the Ryabkov interview, unless your argument is that Ryabkov doesn’t know what he’s talking about. 

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 20:05 utc | 84

Kusnhner is a clown so is Witkoff. They understand ‘nada’ of diplomacy. They are in Ukraine like in Genocidal Gaza just for the money. 

Posted by: pepe | Dec 16 2025 20:06 utc | 85

💢 Zelenksy repeatedly refused Witkoff’s request to withdraw the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Donbass during the negotiations, reports Bloomberg, citing an unnamed source.
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Posted by: Jo | Dec 16 2025 20:06 utc | 86

Ushakov said Russia won’t accept any UK/EU/UKR amendments in the peace treaty (which they know are trying to be implemented), so whatever Ryabkov said is most likely superseded.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 20:06 utc | 87

Kusnhner is a clown so is Witkoff. They understand ‘nada’ of diplomacy. They are in Ukraine like in Genocidal Gaza just for the money.
 
Posted by: pepe | Dec 16 2025 20:06 utc | 89
 
#####
 
They are genocidal financiers. What can one expect from Zionist psychopaths?
 
America 2025. “We use our best psychopaths to negotiate from a position of weakness!”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 16 2025 20:09 utc | 88

Remember what Trump did to Iran during negotiations?
 
If you’re Russian, how can you take anything the Americans or Perfidious Albion says seriously?
 
This is all low-grade network TV drama.
 
Nothing America or its representatives say is solid. Actions (across all domains) trump words.
 
To quote Rush’s late 80s album Presto, “I’ve heard it all before, show me, don’t tell me.”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 16 2025 20:17 utc | 89

Hahaha…. This was even obvious to me. This is great. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
 
God I hate US/UK/EU rich people. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Dec 16 2025 20:21 utc | 90

I posted a link to a two hour 30 minute interview. 
Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 19:40 utc | 80

 
Most people (myself included) would never, ever, watch a 2 hour 30 minute interview.

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 16 2025 20:21 utc | 91

Looks like Zelensky has also superseded things:

Zelensky did not accept the American proposal to withdraw troops from the Donbass

During the talks in Berlin, American negotiators pressed Ukraine to give up the part of the Donbas under its control as a condition for achieving peace
 

This is reported by RegioNews with reference to The Guardian.
 
As noted, the special envoy of Donald Trump, Steve Witkoff, during the meeting, which was also attended by the son-in-law of the former US president Jared Kushner, said about “significant progress” in the negotiations.
 
The US position remains unchanged-Washington insists that Ukraine withdraw its troops from the controlled areas of Donbass.
 
At the same time, Kiev does not agree to such a demand and insists that a truce should be reached without preliminary territorial concessions to Russia.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/politics/1765809375-zelenskiy-ne-priynyav-propozitsiyu-amerikantsiv-pro-vivedennya-viysk-iz-donbasu (via translation add-on, time stamped yesterday at 16:29.)
 
And so we are back at square one.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 16 2025 20:22 utc | 92

Ushakov said Russia won’t accept any UK/EU/UKR amendments in the peace treaty (which they know are trying to be implemented), so whatever Ryabkov said is most likely superseded.
 
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 16 2025 20:06 utc | 91
 
It might be superseded, but it probably wasn’t by the time of Peskov’s statement. As I said, you’re better off arguing that Ryabkov’s statement was meaningless, than claiming that it didn’t happen.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 20:23 utc | 93

A reminder of how beging bowls on false promises -,premises works
 
‼️🇪🇺🇺🇦 At today’s “Ramstein”, 15 countries made new commitments in support of Ukraine, – Defence Minister Shmygal▪️Germany: 11.5 billion euros in 2026 to support Ukraine’s defence. Focus – air defence, UAVs, shells. Already transferred 2 Patriot systems and the 9th IRIS-T system.▪️Britain: strengthening Ukraine’s air defence capabilities for 600 million pounds at the expense of Russia’s frozen assets. UK is broke AF▪️Canada: additional 30 million Canadian dollars for UAVs, AIM-9 missiles, 3 barrels of maple syrup.▪️Netherlands: 700 million euros for UAVs.▪️Montenegro: preparing a contribution to PURL (US arms procurement program for Ukraine with European money).▪️Denmark: transfer of the 29th support package for 250 million euros – drones, air defense, and support for Ukrainian aviation.▪️Estonia: continuation of support at a level of not less than 0.25% of GDP (329.58 Euros and a Mars bar).▪️Latvia: continuation of support at a level of not less than 0.25% of GDP ($239.57 and a coupon for Subway) – focus on UAVs, electronic warfare, PURL.▪️Lithuania: more than 220 million euros in 2026 for military support to Ukraine at a level of not less than 0.25% of GDP.▪️Luxembourg: 100 million euros in 2026 in support of Ukraine, the second contribution of 15 million euros to PURL.▪️New Zealand: 15 million dollars for PURL and some frozen lamb chops. ▪️Norway: about 7 billion dollars in total military aid in 2026.▪️Poland: deliveries of 155-mm shells, implementation of joint projects with Ukraine within SAFE.▪️Portugal: contribution to the “Czech initiative”, 10 million euros for UAVs.▪️Czech Republic: within the “Czech initiative”, deliveries of 760,000 shells have already been funded for 2026.Nothing new. 🥱@Slavyangrad

Posted by: Jo | Dec 16 2025 20:26 utc | 94

NATO is not run by consensus, it’s a military hierarchy where the top commander of NATO forces is by charter a USA general, it’s permanent, it doesn’t rotate, he takes his orders from the Pentagon, if the POTUS or whoever really runs things in the Pentagon says “charge” the NATO member militaries charge. If the USA charges first, they follow. How are USA security guarantees in away different than Ukraine joining NATO? 
 
Two other things, if you’re Ukrainian the USA offering security guarantees ain’t worth shit at this point, why didn’t the USA go all in and help Ukraine when it was absolutely pivotal, braving their air power at the time of the battle of the Surovikin line? When it comes to allies the USA is always a day late and a dollar short, time tested and repeatedly proven. Not that it matters much, Zelensky has no agency, Ukraine has no sovereignty, it’s all theatre, for who I’m not sure. But that’s the least of it, guarantees against a nuclear power are always a joke, when the shit hits the fan it’s every man for himself, de Gaulle understood that, it’s why he pulled France out of NATO and built an independent nuclear arsenal. 
 
Who is the USA talking this shit to? Who is Ukraine talking to? Who is Europe talking to? Who is listening? It’s just a bunch of jokers in a room smelling each others farts, complementing each other on the bouquet but all waiting to run for the exits. It’s all theater. As much as I feel bad for Russia having been attacked by the 4th Reich, I feel terrible that they have to put up with this shit.
 
 

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 16 2025 20:26 utc | 95

Kusnhner is a clown so is Witkoff. They understand ‘nada’ of diplomacy. They are in Ukraine like in Genocidal Gaza just for the money. 
Posted by: pepe | Dec 16 2025 20:06 utc | 89

 
No doubt. Their idea about turning Donbass into a “free economic zone” (or something similar, I don’t remember the exact wording) is just sick. Stinks of money. Unacceptable to anyone with anything similar to serious intentions.

Posted by: Avtonom | Dec 16 2025 20:27 utc | 96

The problem is that while Russia seems to be somewhat bemused by the show, I think it is causing fatigue among the people who are hanging on the news mostly fearing that they are going to accept a bad deal, I think.
 
Posted by: jared | Dec 16 2025 19:15 utc | 67
 
The Jews, represented by Trump, Zelensky, Witkoff, Starmer, Rubio, Mertz, Kushner, Macron, and others, are simply negotiating with themselves. Unfortunately, Putin is also a Jew so who knows where this theater will end.
 
This is like the “Treaty of Versailles” where the German Jews negotiated with the other Jews (U.S., Britain, France, etc) to impose massive reparations on Germany, insist on total disarmament, and give up its colonies. Jews negotiating with themselves are a true danger.
 
Of course the fruit of their negotiations at Versailles was world war two.

Posted by: name | Dec 16 2025 20:33 utc | 97

When are the unfortunate recruits being daily sent to their untimely deaths going to get that fact into their heads and start turning their guns on their commanders
 – Steve 45

Talk about “blaming the victim.  in 2014 the Waffen SS regime in Kiev was installed in a brutal coup engineered by England and their Angliphilic toadies in DC.  “Recruits”?  The SS troops drag men who oppose the regime, those who want nothing to do with the war, the Russ/Magyar/Slovaks off the street force them into a uniform and with a gun to the back of their head shove them in front of the Russians.  Not much different than what the Nazis did to their death camp victims.  Meanwhile the Nazis hide in the “forcing battalions” or, if they’re really ardent or well connected Nazis they’re further back, they’re kidnapping fresh victims while their kids hang out in Ireland waiting for the war to end.

Posted by: S Brennan | Dec 16 2025 20:35 utc | 98

It might be superseded, but it probably wasn’t by the time of Peskov’s statement. As I said, you’re better off arguing that Ryabkov’s statement was meaningless, than claiming that it didn’t happen.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Dec 16 2025 20:23 utc | 97
 
The word “probably” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, but that is by-the by, the point is that the interview represents a snapshot in a continuous time line, not the static, fixed position you are trying to impose upon it.
 
We remain at square one, with nothing but theatrical performance from the West.
 
Though I suppose we are heading into pantomime season:
Oh no he didn’t 
Oh yes he did 
Oh no he didn’t

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 16 2025 20:37 utc | 99

Posted by: pepe | Dec 16 2025 20:06 utc | 89
The most clownish part in this “negotiations” is the elephant in the room no-one dares to see : the implicit recognition it was an US-Russia conflict to begin with , than the, so called, EU is a yapping poodle and that Bandristan is Barbarossa 2.0 … with the same results.

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Dec 16 2025 20:38 utc | 100