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November 19, 2025
Ukraine SitRep – Power Play In Kiev And Chaos At The Front

The situation in Ukraine is becoming even more complicate.

The war on the frontline is going bad for Ukraine as is the war on infrastructure deep behind the contact line.

A corruption scandal is used to neuter President Zelenski. New power structures are set to evolve to further the execution of the war. President Trump is attempting to impose another peace effort while Europe finds that it lacks the money to finance Ukraine and the war.

There are at least seven cities which are falling or are destined to fall within the next few month.


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Kupyansk is largely under Russian control. During the last days Russian forces took some 25% of Siversk. Pokrovsk is to 95% in Russian hands. Fighting in its encircled sister city Mirnograd is slowly coming to an end. The road between Pokrovske and Guliaipole has been taken. The later city is thus cut off from its main supply line and will soon be encircled.

The Ukrainian command had thrown in all its reserves to prevent the taking of Prokovsk and Kupiyansk. It was to no avail.

All regular Ukrainian brigades lack infantry. The constant Russian drone attacks have also taken a large toll on the logistic elements of those units.

General Syrski, the Ukrainian commander in chief, had set his bet on newly developed assault units to allow for offensive action while neglecting the general brigades which have to hold the lines. The weakened lines broke down when the Russian infiltrate them. Assault units were sent in and wasted on counterattacks that were supposed to stop further Russian breakthroughs but failed to have significant effects.

Defense fortifications and buildings can no longer protect the soldiers. Each day Russia is using 200 or more glide bombs to demolish them. Drones and artillery strikes follow. Russian infantry sneaks in to mop up remaining resistance.

It is a fairly slow process but it works for the Russians and is causing them a minimum of casualties.

The war on infrastructure far behind the line of contact is also preceding at a high pace. Ukraine had rejected the ceasefire on infrastructure previously agreed to by President Trump and President Putin. It has continued attacks on Russian oil refineries and other energy facilities with drones and missiles. They have so far done too little damage to slow down the Russian economy.

Russia has responded to those strikes by launching thousands of drones and missile against Ukrainian electricity and heating facilities causing up to 18 hours of blackout per day even in large Ukrainian cities. Another Russian target are railway depots where locomotives are maintained. Hundreds of them have been destroyed in such strikes.

The lack of electricity and mass transport have all but stopped large scale production of industrial goods. The economy suffers. Tax income decreases.

The corruption scandal around Timor Mindich which is involving friends and cabinet members of President Zelinski government is widening. Each day the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) is leaking more details of the case though any real proof of the actual corruption is still missing.

NABU and the whole anti-corruption vertical is a direct control element of the U.S. embassy in Kiev. In a speech held three days before the war in Ukraine started President Putin of Russia described it as such:

There is no independent judiciary in Ukraine. The Kiev authorities, at the West’s demand, delegated the priority right to select members of the supreme judicial bodies, the Council of Justice and the High Qualifications Commission of Judges, to international organisations.

In addition, the United States directly controls the National Agency on Corruption Prevention, the National Anti-Corruption Bureau, the Specialised Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office and the High Anti-Corruption Court. All this is done under the noble pretext of invigorating efforts against corruption. All right, but where are the results? Corruption is flourishing like never before.

The FBI has a liaison officer within NABU and is directly involved in the current corruption investigation.

As for results of corruption investigation there are none. After eleven years of existence the anti corruption vertical has not managed to put even one person into jail:

The NABU and SAPO have never given a prison sentence to any influential figure it has accused of corruption. The NABU’s 2019 corruption investigation into incumbent president Petro Poroshenko resulted in just as many shocking revelations as the ongoing Myndich-gate, and just as many prison sentences – NONE.

The corruption scandal is just an instrument to put pressure on Zelenski. He has rejected to mobilize people under the age of 25 and allowed people under the age of 22 to leave the country. The war hawks in the U.S. and Europe want him to draft the young men and to use them as cannon fodder in their zeal to weaken Russia.

Zelenski is being politically neutered. The opposition in the Rada wants a place at the trough. It is demanding the resignation Andrei Yermak, Zelenski’s chief of office, and the whole Yermak controlled government under Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko. A national unity government which includes the opposition is supposed to replace them. Parts of Zelenski’s Servant of the People party have defected and are now supporting the opposition’s demands.

Instead of being the center of political action President Zelenski might soon find himself being in a mere ceremonial position.

Even bigger movements are in the making. The U.S. is drafting a new plan to end(?) the war in Ukraine. (The Russian side says it has no knowledge of any such plans.) Today Trump’s envoy Steven Witkoff was supposed to meet Yermak and Zelenski in Istanbul to discuss the new plans but the meeting has been postponed.

Senior Pentagon officials have arrived in Kiev to discuss the military side of the issue:

Army Secretary Dan Driscoll and chief of staff Gen. Randy George became the highest-level Trump Pentagon officials to visit Ukraine when they arrived on an unannounced trip this week, as the U.S. moves to find a way to speed the end of the war.

Meanwhile Europe is finding out that it can not afford (archived) to pay for the war in Ukraine:

Underlying Kyiv’s coming cash crunch is a fundamental disconnect between Europe’s undoubtedly sincere desire to support Ukraine and the reality that the UK, France and Germany are facing serious fiscal crises of their own. Promises to support Ukraine are of a piece with European NATO members’ pledges to commit 5 percent of their GDP to defense spending by the end of the decade – both declarations are, for the most part, unfunded.

The story so far of Europe’s engagement with Ukraine has been one of big pledges followed by considerably smaller deeds – and that was before Trump took away Uncle Sam’s billions. Unfortunately for Kyiv, there’s little to suggest that Europe has the means or the will to actually provide Ukraine as much as it needs, for as long as it needs.

Zelenski, and those who support to continue the war, have lost touch with reality. The Ukrainian army lacks morale, weapons and soldiers. The front is getting breached in several places. The countries vital infrastructure is getting destroyed. There is political upheaval and no money to continue the war.

The only sane way out of the chaos is to call Moscow and to agree on its conditions.

Comments

Thank you, thank you, thank you B for…wait for it…putting up a clear map with clear labels…so rare these days I thought the technique long extinct.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 19 2025 16:01 utc | 1

There is so much yet in play.  What we are seeing now is just the pursuit ==> https://youtu.be/HLeTbdhfGJw?t=163
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 19 2025 16:08 utc | 2

Accepting Russia’s conditions is unthinkable for Western Europe and for Trump. It would mean a blatant admission of failure = loss of face for everyone. Anyone who hopes for this is dreaming.Trump wants his peace treaty, i.e., a solution that leaves Russia on the defensive. In effect, this is nothing more than the constantly demanded ceasefire, just with a little more land gained for Russia, allowing Trump to portray himself as the peacemaker. An agreement that includes Russia’s demands will not happen.
This means that after another charm offensive for the media, further sanctions will follow (which Trump has already approved) and further arms deliveries.Peace will only be possible if Ukraine is detached from Western Europe and the US and those responsible are neutralized (with Z being the lesser problem).
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Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 16:10 utc | 3

what a mess! the trajectory on this was obvious.. russia would move in a steady pattern as it has and ukraine would fall apart, as it has… meanwhile the architects of this war want to end it?? i don’t sense that myself… 
 
that NABU is under usa direction is no surprise.. it is just another leverage tool for getting the desired results in ukraine and that ain’t working out too swell either..  
 
thanks b.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 19 2025 16:11 utc | 4

Even when the opposition persuades the Rada, Azov types will never accept compromise. They will slaughter the parliament first, and their increased importance to the Ukrainian military puts them in position to do so. Wake me when Russia enters Kiev, or even Nikolaev.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 19 2025 16:13 utc | 5

that NABU is under usa direction is no surprise.. it is just another leverage tool for getting the desired results in ukraine and that ain’t working out too swell either..  
Posted by: james | Nov 19 2025 16:11 utc | 4
 
NABU’s sole purpose at present is to protect Z through necessary sacrifices and media hype. Z is needed because without Z, the money stops flowing.
This in turn shows that it is not only Europeans but also the US that is still up to its neck in corruption.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 16:16 utc | 6

Posted by: james | Nov 19 2025 16:11 utc | 4
 
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NABU is a “who watches the watchmen?” situation.
 
If the USG monitors corruption (ex. Burisma), then the USG can engage in corruption while also sanctifying it.
 
Every ambitious criminal wants to control the police chief and a judge or two.
 
Why not put their own man into those roles?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 19 2025 16:17 utc | 7

Language Police: 
 

…..There are at least seven cities which are falling being liberated or are destined to fall be liberated within the next few month….
 

ficed it for you Barkeeper 

Posted by: Exile | Nov 19 2025 16:21 utc | 8

Thanks b, small point though, trump has attempted to attack russian oil with sanctions

Posted by: E | Nov 19 2025 16:24 utc | 9

Good post. Thanks. 
 
The night they drove ol’ Dixie ukraine down
And all the bells were ringin’… 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 16:32 utc | 10

Thanks for the posting b
 
Damn, what a mess.  I find it hard to believe that Z can be replaced by some other non-legal leadership and still keep the military humming while this happens.
 
I know this sort of shit happens in movies all the time but this is reality….to some degree
 
The shit show continues until it doesn’t

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 19 2025 16:35 utc | 11

The Americans do want a peace deal with Russia. If they do control NABU then they will likely achieve it. I had thought it was Europe controlling that organization.
 
Witkof not bothering to meet the little green man, a couple of military men go instead. Appears like they will lay out the terms of the Ukraine surrender.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 16:40 utc | 12

and ukraine would fall apart, as it has… meanwhile the architects of this war want to end it?? i don’t sense that myself…
Posted by: james | Nov 19 2025 16:11 utc | 4
 
They want a pause followed by a little Nato invasion of Ukr in the style of Syria for a 2014 reset. In the past Putin has done strange things on Merkel’s request, so don’t blame Nato for trying again, he is the same guy they fooled for decades and has not learned anything. Greek media says that Ukr will use their shipyards to build naval drones. A few months ago, the piano player signed a law where Turkey and others became hosts for Ukr troops. No one in Nato world really wants to stop the war, not even Ukr zombies. “The Foreign Ministry has not received any information from the American side in this context” ( tass.com/politics/2045857 )

Posted by: rk | Nov 19 2025 16:43 utc | 13

Witkof not bothering to meet the little green man, a couple of military men go instead. Appears like they will lay out the terms of the Ukraine surrender.
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 16:40 utc | 12
 
Witkoff cancelled the meeting due to some minor Yermak scandal. When the Banderites fully take over, he’ll be in fine place to negotiate with Dmitriev. It’s possible that Lavrov and the Foreign Ministry simply aren’t being asked to contribute yet, but I couldn’t possibly judge.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 19 2025 16:48 utc | 14

Nothing has changed since Summer last year.
 
Russia is not going to budge, and America can’t either.
 
All of this Zelensky stuff is the latest drama to keep the viewers watching.
 
Until the fundamentals change, this will not be resolved.
 
NATO is nearly demilitarized. Europe still hasn’t collapsed. The West’s position is weaker and getting more so.
 
The Russians have dramatically cut their losses and, at this pace, can carry on for years.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 19 2025 16:55 utc | 15

Good overview/summary. A comment is that Zelensky is the former President since May 2024.
 
Zelensky is a puppet, but the continuation of the shit show depends on him being in ‘power’. Once he is removed, the music stops.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 19 2025 16:59 utc | 16

 

They Call Me Mister | Nov 19 2025 16:48 utc | 14

 
There is nothing that Witkoff can negotiate. At best, he can listen in on Moscow to see if, in light of the renewed threat of sanctions, there is now a willingness to agree to a disguised ceasefire—a surrender with a consolation prize. But Putin should have realized by now that Trump is just another side of the same coin. Russia must take action. One must defeat an enemy while one is still stronger. Endless attempts at negotiation only lead to the assumption that “he wouldn’t dare anyway.” (The Western concept is based on being stronger by 2029; this must be countered.)

 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 17:01 utc | 17

They Call Me Mister | Nov 19 2025 16:48 utc | 14
 
Yermak is on the corruption tapes. Calls in the Rada for his resignation. The jewish mafia that is the Ukraine government – the appointees and so forth in and around the presidents office are all being taken down. My thought is, Zelensky will be forced to agree to the American plan, but as to signing a peace treaty with Russia, elections would be required and a legal president according to the Ukraine constitution.
 
The American companies want to get back into Russian resources and my guess is, Putin has said “You started it, now you stop it” as the condition for getting back in to the Russian resources.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 17:03 utc | 18

Don’t worry, the war will soon be over!
 
…as soon as Russia runs out of weapons, or as soon as Ukraine runs out of soldiers — whichever comes first.
 
Warmongers such as Lindsey Graham would love to see both events happen simultaneously …several years from now …or preferably longer. There’s just so many billions of dollars to be made, they figure it would be a cryin’ shame if the war didn’t last until 2035 or ’40.

Posted by: Mark Mosby | Nov 19 2025 17:04 utc | 19

#5,
 
In the north, it would worth considering that Russia stop at the Dnieper just shy of Kiev [yes, a portion of the city is on the eastern bank].  This not for any moral consideration but one of practicality.  The Dnieper is valuable/formidable natural barrier and Russia would be wise to make it so as it’s eastern border.  Russia with low-cost fabs and artillery could put ex-ukrainia in the same position they put ethno/cultural Russians in circa 2014-2022, should the Waffen SS of Galicia retain power in the aftermath [highly likely].
 
In the south the natural barrier is the Dniester River just west of Odessa [and yes England/Israel feel they own this property thanks to Uncle-Sugar’s free spending].  If Moldolva wants to self-immolate it’s self by taunting Russia then again, low-cost fabs and artillery could be employed to cool the ardor of their foolishly inflamed passion.
 
This leaves a DMZ north of the coast TBD and that depends how successful ex-SBU/MI-6/Mossad are in recruiting state-sponsored-suicide-bombers.
 
Punitive raids further westward should be sharp and short duration affairs with orderly retreat[s] preordained.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 19 2025 17:06 utc | 20

Corruption?  Losing cities daily? Economic collapse? 
So what?  Zelensky is a dead man walking if this war ends. He would be a fool to leave office voluntarily.  Therefore, he will only leave if his life is directly threatened AND he has a solid place to go with no extradition. It doesn’t matter how bad Ukraine gets.
Does anyone have the cojones to do that?  The EU? (no).  The US? – no, Trump is all talk and empty threats. He can kill anonymous victims in speed boats but not Zelensky. The only alternative I can see is maybe a cellphone call that locates him somewhere in Ukraine but not anything official in Kyiv – followed by a Kinzhal launch.   That’s possible but even Russia might hesitate.  

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 19 2025 17:07 utc | 21

State breakdown, Ukraine becomes country 404

🇺🇦The Verkhovnaya Rada has suspended its work indefinitely due to the corruption scandal
The speaker of the Parliament Stefanchuk announced a break in the session and said that the parliament would enter a “consultation mode” on the situation. It is unknown when the next session will be held.
Earlier, the Rada approved the (https://t.me/ukraine_watch/51106) dismissal of Justice Minister Galushenko and Energy Minister Grinchuk. Both are associated with Zelensky’s “wallet” Mindich.

🔘Subscribe now! (https://t.me/ukraine_watch) Chat (https://t.me/ukrainewatch_chat)
 

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 19 2025 17:10 utc | 22

“You started it, now you stop it” as the condition for getting back in to the Russian resources.
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 17:03 utc | 18
 

 
I suppose the conditions for ending the conflict have more than a little to do with who has jurisdiction to prosecute the transgressions.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 19 2025 17:10 utc | 23

I am halfway through watching the Dialogue Works interview with John Helmer I link below:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00R49QiRYEQ&t=334s
 
Helmer has just ‘explained’ what happened in Alaska.  He is incorrect.  He says that the two sides were not reaching an understanding, specifically as I remember Lavrov’s detailed step by step report on the issues, this is not correct.  Whitcoff had gone to Moscow and was asked a series of questions  on which his answers, presumably from Trump, were positive ones enabling the Alaska meeting to take place.  And then, in Alaska, those same questions were asked by Russia of the United States, with the same positive answers then being given.  This meant there would soon be a formalization of these in the next meeting, which Putin suggest could be, he hoped, in Moscow.  It was to this final suggestion that we all heard that Trump gave his evasive answer that he didn’t know about that as his people might have objections — and off he abruptly went.
 
For some time we the public were not aware of this preliminary confrontation at the talks in Alaska.  Russia wanted positive answers as those were what brought them to Alaska.  I and I assume most of the public were not told about this until recently.  And that is what made Alaska happenings remain in suspension — because Trump did not follow up on what was the purpose of that meeting, which was to vereify what Whitcoff had been told previously in Moscow.  And Putin had come to Alaska to make that verification as legal, as on paper, as it would be possible to do, so that the final meeting that was part of that entire process be scheduled.  Putin made sure that was heard by all of us through the public speeches they both gave, and he did not let Trump off the hook but in English said what he said before they parted company.  That we heard,  and we heard Trump’s response.  But previous to that the important questions had been put and they had been answered.
 
I just wanted to make that point which Helmer halfway through his piece has glossed over.  To my mind it is important, as it makes what has since happened another version of the actual , original Istanbul non-agreement situation.  There, it was cancelled by Boris Johnson.  Here, Trump did it.  Someone else, perhaps karlof1, can provide us with the link where Lavrov spells this out in a recent interview.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 19 2025 17:18 utc | 24

Posted by: Mark Mosby | Nov 19 2025 17:04 utc | 19
 
I’d like to see Lindsay Graham run out of air. Just like much of my home state of Texas, the average IQ in South Carolina can’t be much above 70. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 17:20 utc | 25

The Russians should cut a deal with the Ukie military to team up and march on Western Europe… in a flip of the Western European belief they can play 404 against Russia to partition and plunder the East, the Russians can use the promise of unlimited plunder of European assets as the incentive to get the old band back together for another visit to Berlin. They’d probably be in Brussels within a week. Heck, the Poles might join in just to get their hands on “reparations” from Germany.

Posted by: Cato | Nov 19 2025 17:31 utc | 26

The Russians should cut a deal with the Ukie military to team up and march on Western Europe.
 
Posted by: Cato | Nov 19 2025 17:31 utc | 26
 

 
“Western Europe” isn’t a place.  It is an idea.  A covetous idea that zealots harbour  everywhere Imperialism has visited.
 
A nation-state cannot march against neoliberal globalism.  Ideas must be defeated by means other than force of arms.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 19 2025 17:51 utc | 27

So far as I know, no strategic bombing campaign has ever succeeded in delivering a victory, not against WWII Germany nor yesterday against the Yemenis (denigrated as merely Houthis.) Not until there is too much military pressure from land offensives that disorganizes repairs will the infrastructure truly collapse. Noncombatants freezing in a cold winter is not a vital issue for a fascist government. 
 
Now as to the politics? The notion that the US runs the so-called control vertical labeled anti-corruption certainly seems sensible enough. So far as I can tell, it is quite likely the US has used its influence to protect Poroshenko, who was pro-war, starting up the new offensive against the Donbas back in 2022, before the intervention. But I can’t quite agree that the US control is so absolute, precisely because this so-called control vertical has never actually controlled any major figure. Either their Ukrainian puppets are tugging on their strings or they aren’t very powerful. The glee at seeing Zelensky embarrassed puts too much emphasis on Zelensky personally. (There are nutjobs who write as if Zelensky were the Jewish boss of a Zionist conspiracy.) 
 
Now in addition to the technical question of whether any of this hullabaloo can actually impinge on Zelensky’s real power? There’s also the question, how can Zelensky be forced to decree Trump’s supposed settlement after he’s been undercut? There are no lame ducks until everybody knows who the new guy is, that’s when they can safely ignore the old guy who’s just hanging around till the term officially ends.  At this point, from afar it’s not clear that Zelensky going won’t just leave the fascist regime more blatantly fascist, shorn of it’s cover. (As in, Ukraine can’t be fascist, it’s president is a Jew.)  And I don’t think of fascists as rational or obedient. 
 
 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 19 2025 17:54 utc | 28

The US Treasury (operating under Vance and Hegseth) plans to impose restrictions as early as December on companies from Turkey, France, Azerbaijan, the UK, Italy, Spain, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, and the Netherlands, where $108 billion allocated to support Ukraine was laundered.A separate criminal case against one NGO from Ukraine (Kellogg’s daughter) will follow the investigation against USAID.

Posted by: this real? | Nov 19 2025 17:58 utc | 29

Reuters
“The U.S. has signalled to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine must accept a U.S.-drafted framework to end the war with Russia that proposes Kyiv giving up territory and some weapons, two people familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.
 
The sources, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter, said the proposals included cutting the size of Ukraine’s armed forces, among other things. Washington wants Kyiv to accept the main points, they said….
 
…… A senior Ukrainian official earlier told Reuters that Kyiv had received “signals” about a set of U.S. proposals to end the war that Washington has discussed with Russia. Ukraine has had no role in preparing the proposals, the source said.
Zelenskiy, who was holding talks in Turkey on Wednesday with President Tayyip Erdogan, is due to meet U.S. Army officials in Kyiv on Thursday.”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 18:00 utc | 30

The Russians should cut a deal with the Ukie military to team up and march on Western Europe… in a flip of the Western European belief they can play 404 against Russia to partition and plunder the East, the Russians can use the promise of unlimited plunder of European assets as the incentive to get the old band back together for another visit to Berlin. They’d probably be in Brussels within a week. Heck, the Poles might join in just to get their hands on “reparations” from Germany.
Posted by: Cato | Nov 19 2025 17:31 utc | 26

The Russians should cut a deal with the Ukie military to team up and march on Western Europe.Posted by: Cato | Nov 19 2025 17:31 utc | 26—“Western Europe” isn’t a place.  It is an idea.  A covetous idea that zealots harbour  everywhere Imperialism has visited.A nation-state cannot march against neoliberal globalism.  Ideas must be defeated by means other than force of arms.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 19 2025 17:51 utc | 27

That’s all nonsense. It’s a geographical area controlled by countries led by people. So you can fight against it. But that’s nonsense, the fantasies of an adolescent child who hasn’t understood the most important factors involved.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 18:02 utc | 31

Quote “There are at least seven cities which are falling or are destined to fall within the next few month”.  
That will not do 
Putin has been known to snatch defeat or quagmire from certain victory in Syria, Ukraine and Iran and Venezuela too .no decisive move .
Winter will not always favour Russia against brother slav.
USA controlled a land mass which it desired in Syria to steal oil within 19 days . Russia dithered and traitor FM lavrov invited Americans when in Feb 2015 Assad was winning .

Posted by: sam | Nov 19 2025 18:06 utc | 32

Ukraine must accept a U.S.-drafted framework 
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 18:00 utc | 30
 

 
Oh c’mon!  How may times are we going to hear this reverse spin?
 
It is Washington that must accept and force NATO to adhere to Russia’s conditions for ending the SMO as published and repeated ad nauseam since the conflict began.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 19 2025 18:07 utc | 33

Ukrainian government ministers fleeing to Israel amid corruption scandals, taking gobs of US taxpayer money with them. https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/corruption-scandal-zelenskys-challenge/
Rats jumping the ship?
Of course Democrats refused to audit Ukraine aid and insisted on pouring ever more money down the rat hole, even though Ukraine was notoriously corrupt. Calls for good governance were notably missing, a bipartisan consensus. Yet the talking heads and elite scribes have the chutzpah to claim that the deficit and debt service payments are spiraling out of control…because of social spending!?! https://nypost.com/2023/07/27/senate-dems-oppose-oversight-office-of-us-aid-for-ukraine/

Posted by: JohnH | Nov 19 2025 18:12 utc | 34

Troll season is upon us again. Stop feeding the trolls!

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 18:12 utc | 35

@rk 13
Quote “They want a pause followed by a little Nato invasion of Ukr in the style of Syria for a 2014 reset. In the past Putin has done strange things on Merkel’s request, so don’t blame Nato for trying again, he is the same guy they fooled for decades and has not learned anything”
Exactly.
for Russia to survive, FM lavrov and press spokesman Pesko must be arrested and put in prison and Putin must be made to resign and go into retirement. For last ten years he has done blunder after blunder -being fooled all the time is not a characterstic that a great military power like Russia surrounded by Anglo hyenas, need . 

Posted by: sam | Nov 19 2025 18:15 utc | 36

So you can fight against it. 
 
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 18:02 utc | 31
 

 
“We have liberated Europe from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it” — Marshall Georgy Zhukov, speaking 80 years ago.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 19 2025 18:15 utc | 37

USA Russia peace deal – Take 12!
Will the Russians agree to be suckers or will they dodge another bullet?
Russia’s Ukraine problem ends when Ukraine ends. Anything less is a failure.

Posted by: EoinW | Nov 19 2025 18:17 utc | 38

@ EoinW | Nov 19 2025 18:17 utc | 38
exact

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 18:21 utc | 39

Just what does a MAD contextualized conditional surrender look like?
 
I consider any description of a solution coming from Trump as not in Russia’s interest and until the facts on the ground precipitate the MAD contextualized conditional surrender mentioned above the SMO will continue……including hitting military targets hidden in/near public housing.
 
MAD contextualized conditional surrender is what Russia is demanding and will get.  Does it happen before the global financial crash, attack on Venezuela, peace in the ME../s, China/Taiwan melding or will it lead the parade of empire domino falling?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 19 2025 18:36 utc | 40

Posted by: JohnH | Nov 19 2025 18:12 utc | 34
 
Democrats audit? Hahaha…. I’m gonna go ahead and guess that a number of them, as well as a number of republicans, were/are getting kickbacks.

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 18:36 utc | 41

*** Every ambitious criminal wants to control the police chief and a judge or two.Why not put their own man into those roles?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 19 2025 16:17 utc | 7
 
Colonialism stemming from narrative control dominance.

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 19 2025 18:39 utc | 42

too scents | Nov 19 2025 18:07 utc | 33
 
Due to the Witkoff Putin meetings, the Alaska Putin Trump meeting, the Americans will have a very good idea of what Russia will and will not accept. The is also the Russian envoy who has been in the US for sometime now.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 18:45 utc | 43

*** Punitive raids further westward should be sharp and short duration affairs with orderly retreat[s] preordained.
Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 19 2025 17:06 utc | 20
 
I have always thought this was the endgame: incorporate Sumy to Poltava to Cremenchug across the river to Transnistria then skirt north through Bukovina and Transcarpathia to establish a cross steppe trade zone connecting to Hungary and Slovakia – terminus of the silk road bypassing Galicia. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 19 2025 18:46 utc | 44

I have a very good new for Louis Ducon and Micron Letaré.
 
Today General Mandon, chief of the French army staff declared in front of the mayors reunited in a congress:

Get ready, in 3 or 4 years, war will be here. And it will be necessary to accept to sacrifice our children.
Mayors must open nurseries (!), schools and lodgings to the soldiers.
Must accept military movements in their municipalities.
And prepare the population “to suffer economically”.

As if it is not already the case…

Posted by: Naive | Nov 19 2025 18:54 utc | 45

The US controls NABU in order to make sure that the corruption is confined to the Right People.
 
Same as when the DEA goes after drug cartels in favor of their preferred drug cartels.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 19 2025 19:12 utc | 46

The war in Ukraine entered a definitive new phase with the attack of American ATACMS missiles on the Russian city of Voronezh.
This attack, confirmed on day 1364, proves that Vladimir Putin’s red lines are nothing but a bluff.
For years, the Kremlin has warned that long-range strikes would trigger a nuclear response, but the reality
on the ground tells a completely different story.
In reality, Russian air defense (the “best in the world”) has proven, as usual, powerless.
Systems like the much-vaunted S400 have failed to prevent Western weapons from hitting a major industrial hub of over a million people.
But the ATACMS attack is just the beginning of Moscow’s strategic nightmare.
Ukraine has now deployed the Flamingo FP5 missile, a domestically produced weapon capable of hitting targets 3,000 kilometers away,
approximately 1,860 miles.
This revolutionary cruise missile uses old Soviet jet engines to circumvent sanctions and launches a massive 2,500-pound warhead,
approximately 1,130 kilograms, deep into the Urals.
Systems like the much-vaunted S400 have failed to prevent Western weapons from hitting a major industrial hub of over a million people.
The failure to protect Voronezh highlights a critical structural weakness in Russian military strategy.
Putin’s generals cannot simultaneously defend the front lines in Donbass and its industrial heartland.
With the deployment of the Long Neptune and Flamingo missiles, Ukraine can now strike refineries, shipyards,
and factories that were once considered untouchable.
The rules of engagement have changed forever, and there is no longer a safe zone for the Russian war machine.

Posted by: Louis | Nov 19 2025 19:13 utc | 47

The war in Ukraine entered a definitive new phase with the attack of American ATACMS missiles on the Russian city of Voronezh.This attack, confirmed on day 1364, proves that Vladimir Putin’s red lines are nothing but a bluff.For years, the Kremlin has warned that long-range strikes would trigger a nuclear response,
Posted by: Louis | Nov 19 2025 19:13 utc | 47
 
Bullshit. You’re distorting the facts, so you’re trolling, and also making untrue claims.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 19:18 utc | 48

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 19 2025 17:07 utc | 21
 
RE:   The only alternative I can see [ to the U.S. or the EU deleting Volodymyr ] is maybe a cellphone call that locates him somewhere in Ukraine but not anything official in Kyiv – followed by a Kinzhal launch.   That’s possible but even Russia might hesitate.  
 
<<
 
It is not Russia’s responsibility to take out the trash.
 
The U.S. and the EU created this mess, and they’ll have to clean it up.
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 19 2025 19:20 utc | 49

I think Russia is within six months of a few large arrow offensives.  When that happens Russia will take a hundred plus square kilometers per day.
Trump wants  a peace deal before that happens. 

Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 19 2025 19:21 utc | 50

It is hard to ignore the fact that Zelensky is at the top of the Ukro-Nazi hit list, should he negotiate a surrender to Russia. Assuming that he wishes to go on living, this has to affect his thinking.

Posted by: Rob | Nov 19 2025 19:22 utc | 51

Posted by: Louis | Nov 19 2025 19:13 utc | 47
 
How does it feel to be such a loser? A silly little man apologizing and making up lies for Nazis on a website. How does it feel to be such a pathetic little man?

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 19:27 utc | 52

Good news of the day:
 
Ukrainian servicemen disguised in civilian clothes were captured in a residential building in Krasnoarmeisk.
 
Kuleba will be soon dismissed due to his involvement in the corruption.
 
Events in Zapo and Dniepro regions are unfolding too fast for the afu to regroup with reserves… if any left.
 
A unit of ukronazis fell in a ambush in Seversk and was eliminated.
 
18 Gerans struck targets in Kharkov.
 
All roads leading to Seversk are under Russian fire.
 
The tv-turm was hit in Dniepropetrovsk.
 
Last night, 470 drones and 50 missiles were fired by Russia.
 
At least two missiles hit Ternopil: one factory and one house with soldiers.
 
Poland is preparing the ground to leave the europena empire – Polish ministry of foreign affaires.
 
Seversk: Russian units are already in the central part of the city.
 
Lavrov: Currently there is no new peace agreement with the yankees.
 
The yankees urged the penis piano player to accept a peace proposal where it will be necessary to give up some territory and weapons, and to reduce the size of the military. LOL!
 
One of the missile which hit Ternopil had parts from the yankeeland, Germany and China. Sanctions are working.
 
The yankees are launching a peace process without the penis piano player, who will have no choice. The yankees do not care about the european empire which will have no choice either. The yankee treasury plans to impose restrictions (sanctions… LOL!) in December on companies from Turkey, France, Azerbaidjan, UK, Italy, Spain, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland and the Netherlands where 108 billions allocated to support Ukraine were laundered. Let’s see. Could be fun.
 
 
 

Posted by: Naive | Nov 19 2025 19:28 utc | 53

*** a cellphone call that locates him somewhere in Ukraine but not anything official in Kyiv – followed by a Kinzhal launch.  ***
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 19 2025 19:20 utc | 49
 
If I were debating this strategy in the RF, I would say “be careful what you wish for” and “When your enemy is making a mistake do not correct them.” 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 19 2025 19:32 utc | 54

Clicked on RT for the first time in a while.
Headline scroll:
§| Ukraine Energy Minster dismissed as corruption fallout expands
§| Ex-Ukraine defense chief linked to corrupt arms contract – leaked document
§| Ukrainian justice minister fired amid corruption scandal
§| Top Zelensky aide could be fired over extortion scandal – media
§| Ukrainian officials embezzled millions off Russian nuclear power plant – MP
§| Opinion: Ukraine is drowning in a swamp of corruption – and the West is trying to make it look like a good thing
 
> Think. “I’m not reading all that.”
 
Click on Weeb Union yt to scan the latest headline. Because I don’t have time to watch.
§| Southeastern Siversk Has Fallen | Novopavlivka Has Fallen | Disaster For Ukraine
§| RUAF Enter Siversk | Hai Captured | 35 Sqkm Captured
! That’s about all I need to know about Ukraine this week.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 19 2025 19:38 utc | 55

these corruption orgs exist to try to keep tabs on some of the billions the west has dumped on their proxies, so that at some future date, the west can demand a return on its investment. take the bribe or don’t play at all. take the bribe and play by the pimp’s rules, or be subject to criminal charges, etc., or murder.
 
“real men march on Teheran  Managua.” that’s in Venezuela, idn’t? meh, close enough.

Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 19 2025 19:41 utc | 57

According to The Economist journalist Oliver Carroll, the plan includes the following points:Reduction of the Ukrainian army by 2.5 times. “Not twice, as previously assumed,” writes the journalist.No foreign troops in Ukraine.No foreign diplomatic planes in Ukraine.Ban on long-range weapons that can reach Saint Petersburg and Moscow.▪️Carroll adds that Ukraine is currently critically weakened by a corruption scandal within the country, which the US is exploiting to try to force Kyiv to agree to this plan.
 

Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 19 2025 19:41 utc | 58

Sounds about right.
 
“When even The Telegraph, one of London’s loudest Ukraine cheerleaders – admits “Zelensky is losing touch with reality,” you know the fairy tale is over. The money’s gone, the front is collapsing, and the corruption gods are swallowing what’s left. Over one week, Russia decimates Ukraine’s energy grid, again, while NABU accuses Zelensky’s inner circle of skimming $100m from air-defence contracts for nuclear plants, and his TV business partner bolts to Israel hours before the raid. This is the same president who tried to bring NABU under his control last July until street protests forced him to back off. That’s not “bad optics.” That’s a regime trying to slam the lid on its own laundromat. And there are believable whispers the corruption goes much deeper, for Zelensky and his handlers. So what does Zelensky do? He flies to Paris to sign letters of intent for 100 Rafales, SAMP/T systems and Ground Fire radars, after already promising 150 Gripens to Sweden and LNG deals via Greece, with a $60bn budget hole and open admission that Kiev runs out of money by February. The “plan” is a €140bn EU loan collateralized on frozen Russian assets at Euroclear that Ukraine can never repay unless Russia pays reparations after losing the war. That isn’t strategy. It’s psychosis, nearly rivalling Hitler’s final days in the bunker. Meanwhile reality keeps breaking through the client media’s spin, Pokrovsk has de-facto fallen, Russia pushing westward across Zaporizhzye with speed, desertions running at four times last year, and former Zelensky loyalists warning of “the loss of statehood” and a defence that is “falling apart.” Cemeteries are filling faster than London can create new spin. The Telegraph frames this as a tragic phase in a noble struggle, a desperate leader clinging to symbolic arms deals as the storm gathers. But look closer and you see something darker, a bankrupt puppet state signing fantasy contracts it will never pay for, fronting for a Western war machine that has already written off Ukraine’s future and is now looking for someone to blame when the collapse becomes impossible to hide. Zelensky isn’t the only one losing touch with reality. The real delusion lives in London, Brussels and Washington, in the minds of people who genuinely believed they could bankrupt Russia, loot frozen Russian assets, launder tens of billions through “aid,” and somehow walk away with a victory parade and a reconstruction bonanza. Instead, they are left with a shattered country, a bleeding front, a corruption scandal at the nuclear core of the state, and an unelected president whose political capital is in ruins. Let’s stop pretending. Ukraine isn’t collapsing because Zelensky “lost touch with reality.” Ukraine is collapsing because its Western handlers never had any to begin with. They mistook their own propaganda for strategy, their own corruption for virtue, and a nuclear‑armed civilization for a country that could be bled into submission. Now, as Pokrovsk falls, as the desertions surge, as cemeteries overflow, the same elites who armed the fantasy are searching for their fall guy. They will blame Zelensky, their last actor on the stage. They will blame Ukrainians. They will blame anyone but themselves. But history won’t. History will record this war as the moment an empire fed a nation into the meat grinder and called it “democracy” and when Russia, without ever bending the knee, exposed the whole Western project as a spectacular, historic delusion.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 19 2025 19:41 utc | 59

“As for the rest of Europe , we basically don’t care about the Europeans”
 
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 19 2025 19:43 utc | 60
 
“Fuck the Europeans”
 
Victoria Nuland, 2014.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 19 2025 19:47 utc | 61

I don’t think Zelensky has agency, he is navigating his own Scylla (MI6/CIA/NATO) and Charybdis (Ukrainian nationalist militants). I also agree with  Eighthman, Zelensky is riding the tiger. Like Netanyahu, Zelensky cannot make peace as peace would be personally disastrous.<p> <p>
I’ve thought for a long time that Zaluzhny will be brought in to replace Zelensky by Scylla. The question in my mind is: to fight on, or to cut a deal?<p>
I hope this finds you well

Posted by: ockham | Nov 19 2025 19:50 utc | 62

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 19:18 utc | 48
 
Don’t feed the trolls.
 
But I am giving this counsel from a glass house as I do all the time…..

Posted by: canuk | Nov 19 2025 19:54 utc | 63

 
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 19 2025 19:41 utc | 59
 
RE:   [ The same elites who armed this fantasy ] mistook their own propaganda for strategy, their own corruption for virtue, and a nuclear‑armed civilization for a country that could be bled into submission.
 
<<
 
#Buy
 
What has always been missing in Project Ukraine isn’t a sense of war but of realism.  Nothing makes evident the destruction that has happened on the battlefield, or leaves any cerebral residue concerning the impetus to comprehend that something devastating has indeed happened to Ukraine.  Not just at the jaws of a relentless war machine as fielded by Russia, which is bad enough, but at the greedy mitts of the very elites who set Ukraine up so horribly to fail as they raked war profits in, hand-over-fist, which is even worse.
 
Neocon war hawks and the legacy media outlets who support them have indulged promiscuously in once-upon-a-time fairy tale trickery:  the courageous, brave, determined, plucky and resourceful Ukrainian military has thwarted Russia—-so yay-!
 
Ukrainians denied VVP Kiev, for instance, and this really really matters because we’re told by neocons and the legacy media that taking Kiev is exactly what VVP wanted to do.
 
So VVP’s fabricated motives—-taking Kiev—are lies, and Ukraine’s courage, resilience, pluckiness falls into an untested, even unimportant gray area: since VVP never intended to take Kiev, Ukraine’s preventing VVP from doing what it never intended to do is a null set.
 
Misrepresenting Russia’s aims & objectives in the SMO, and never quite understanding exactly what the root causes entail, allows the entire debacle to remain duct-taped to a puzzle and Gorilla Glued to the rump-side of a conundrum.
 
History will have the luxury of subjectivity which the current moment lacks.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 19 2025 19:59 utc | 64

No one is going to do anything. All sides continue on inertia. At some point there is just not enough of a Ukraine left to pretend. 404 always was a hollow shell. At some point the shell just falls apart. At which point Russia will have a lot of momentum and do as they choose.
And after RF has advanced to the Romanian and Hungarian borders theEuros will still pretend. And pretend some more. When no “Ukrainian” can be found to share a podium with them and pocket a bribe, only then do we fold the tent and go home.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 19 2025 20:03 utc | 65

NABU. is an instrument created by Victoria cookies Nuland.
Patrick Henningsen with Danny Davis.§| Ukraine Corruption & Russian Assets /Patrick Henningsen & Lt Col Daniel Davis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XUIMLkitx4

Patrick and Danny compare corruption in Afghanistan during the Karzai era to current corruption scandals in Ukraine, arguing that both were widely known on the ground but publicly denied by Western governments. He explains that Ukraine’s anti-corruption agency NABU was created and heavily influenced by the U.S. after the 2014 Maidan events—not to eliminate corruption, he argues, but to monitor and control it. According to him, NABU protected politically useful corrupt actors (including those tied to the Bidens) while targeting inconvenient investigators or prosecutors.
A major recent scandal now coming from NABU itself suggests—he claims—that the U.S. is pulling back its protective umbrella from Zelensky’s inner circle. This could erode confidence in Ukraine both domestically and across Europe, even if EU leaders publicly deny any problem.
The discussion then shifts to Europe’s motives for prolonging the war. The speaker argues European governments know Ukraine cannot win militarily but are keeping the conflict going because they hope to seize $320 billion in frozen Russian assets to fund Ukraine and plug Europe’s own financial holes. Belgium has been blocking the asset seizure due to dangerous legal precedents and risks to global financial stability.
Europe is also issuing “war bonds” whose repayment is premised on future Russian reparations—a bet the speaker calls delusional since Russia is currently winning.
Finally, the hosts cite a post by pro-Ukraine journalist Julian Röpke acknowledging that Ukraine is heading toward strategic defeat—framing it as a significant shift in mainstream European narrative and a warning sign that political leaders know the real situation but continue publicly pretending otherwise.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 19 2025 20:07 utc | 66

The Euroclear Shockwave: How One Legal Gambit is Breaking a 100-Year Financial Assumption
 
The EU’s weaponization of Russian sovereign reserves is destroying trust in Western financial neutrality and accelerating the Global South’s efforts to build a parallel multipolar monetary system.

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 20:15 utc | 67

Meanwhile on the Western Front … by Cable …!!!
 
Prof Michael Clarke analysis: What is Russia’s Yantar spy ship and how might UK deter it?

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 19 2025 20:16 utc | 68

The only sane way out of the chaos is to call Moscow and to agree on its conditions.”
 
Those conditions being the aims as set out by Putin just before the Russian invasion and as set out by Putin in his speech to the Foreign Office officials, June 14th 2024.
 
Agreeing in its conditions”  meaning capitulation.  After the breakdown of the Istanbul talks it was obvious that the only negotiations that could be entered into would be negotiations on the terms of that capitulation.  It’s still obvious.  The Putin administration would lose all credibility with the Russian electorate – and with the Russian military –  if it now went back on the core aims of “demilitarisation and denazification”.
 
But, particularly with “denazification”, there’s some wriggle room there.  I’ve argued before that the most that’ll happen in that respect  in remnant Ukraine – whatever remnant Ukraine is –  is the collaborator monuments coming down and the school textbooks no longer promoting Banderite ideology.  No more Biletsky Summer Camps and the like.   That’ll be easier now than in ’22 since the ultras will mostly be in Europe or arrested.   And it’s an error to think that that ideology is so deeply rooted in Western Ukraine.  I remember a Ukrainian schoolgirl saying impatiently, some time ago, she was fed up with being taught the “We built the Pyramids” nonsense instead of getting a proper education. 
 
With any luck that denazification of Western Ukraine will occur without the Russians having to occupy.  Some Russian politicians are reckoning that the entirety of the old Ukraine will become part of the Ruskiy Mir but that’s foolishness.  Maybe more of what is now remnant Ukraine will want to throw in their lot with the Russians but not the Western part.   At best incorporation of Western Ukraine  would lead to the fragile and edgy situation we ourselves see in Northern Ireland.   At worst, to permanent civil resistance.   And  to the outside world, particularly to the Africans,  it would look like a land grab European colonial style and diminish Russian credibility.
 
So the Russians don’t want to occupy Western Ukraine, not permanently and not even for a short time.  They’d prefer demilitarisation and denazification to take place without that.   It’s there that the Americans could still help, if they chose to. 
 
There should be enough wriggle room still left  to throw Trump a bone or two.  Some concession that will enable him to save face with his electorate and that will allow him the claim in the run-up to to the midterms that he has finally brokered the peace he promised.  If Trump can’t or won’t take the bone then the Russians will plod on, maybe a little faster now the fortified belt is largely reduced, until they’ve established their DMZ right up to the NATO border.
 
They can do nothing else.  Putin doesn’t want to spend the remaining years of his Presidency explaining why it is that missiles and drones are still coming over out of remnant Ukraine, let alone the assassination attempts the NYT and WAPO’s been detailing.  The European dream of retaining remnant Ukraine as an attack dog for later is the Russian nightmare.  So they won’t allow it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 19 2025 20:27 utc | 69

Corruption Consumes Kiev: US Presses Kiev Into Peace Amid Emergency Graft Fallout: 
LIVE UPDATES:
 
https://www.rt.com/russia/627996-ukraine-corruption-zelensky-fallout/
 
“19:20 GMT – Following the meeting with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Zelensky signaled readiness to resume peace negotiations with Russia, stating Ankara was ready to provide a platform for the talks…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 19 2025 20:35 utc | 70

Great SitRep.
 
NABU is one of the leaches around Zelensky’s neck. It’s doubtful the conscription age won’t be lowered. Then maybe even women. If Lindsey ‘Lady G’ Graham and those for whom he speaks (and fund him) have their way, it’d be to the last Ukranian.
 
The Russians have dramatically cut their losses and, at this pace, can carry on for years.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 19 2025 16:55 utc | 15Exactly.
 
What the Russians would avoid at all cost is rolling up to Kiev or beyond to then be confronted with a capable insurgency (as described by English Outsider some time ago). Therefore a war of attrition destroying any willingness and capability to continue fighting (in short, baptized as de-nazification) is a necessity, no matter how long it takes.

Posted by: xor | Nov 19 2025 20:42 utc | 71

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trumps-ukraine-envoy-kellogg-leave-post-january-sources-say-2025-11-19/
WASHINGTON, Nov 19 (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump’s Special Envoy for Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, has told associates he plans to leave the administration in January, four sources told Reuters, a departure that would mean the loss of a key advocate for Ukraine in the Trump administration.
Special presidential envoy is a temporary designation, and such envoys in theory must be confirmed by the Senate to stay in their positions past 360 days. Kellogg has indicated that January would be a natural departure point, given existing legislation, said the sources, who requested anonymity to discuss private conversations.

Posted by: unnamed | Nov 19 2025 20:47 utc | 72

From TASS: https://tass.com/world/2045925

LONDON, November 19. /TASS/. The peace plan for Ukraine proposed by the administration of US President Donald Trump involves halving the size of the Ukrainian army and imposing restrictions on certain types of weapons, Financial Times’ journalist Christopher Miller wrote on his X page, citing sources.
 
According to him, a Russian-US proposal to resolve the conflict was presented to the Ukrainian side, represented by Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council Secretary Rustem Umerov, through special presidential envoy and Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) CEO Kirill Dmitriev and US special presidential envoy Steve Witkoff. The reporter noted that the plan contains the following provisions: “Ukraine army cut in half, give up certain weapons, give up Donbass.”
 
Miller also said that Vladimir “Zelensky is displeased” with this proposal. The journalist opined that the plan “would amount to Ukraine’s capitulation” because it meets “the Kremlin’s maximalist demands.”
 
Earlier on Wednesday, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told TASS that Moscow had not received any information from Washington through official channels regarding the “agreements” on Ukraine reported in the media.

 

Previously, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in response to a TASS question that Moscow and Washington are not working on any new initiatives regarding the Ukrainian settlement beyond the agreements reached by Russian President Vladimir Putin and US leader Donald Trump in Alaska.

Is Trump going to present Zelly with a fait accompli ? The comment from Peskov in the final paragraph suggests that Russia is not involved in any new moves, so the US is focussing its political fire on Kiev, a kind of “reading of the Riot Act”. Clearly something is afoot, with the ‘serious’ part of the Western MSM now floating the story.
 
Zelensky may well be “displeased”, but it is not clear to me what leverage he has over the Trump Admin that could enable him to reject any US-driven settlement proposal.
 
Unless he has chapter-and-verse on the Epstein files, of course…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 20:50 utc | 73

Posted by: xor | Nov 19 2025 20:42 utc | 71
 
You mentioned part of what Americans, “British”, and Germans never understood about Russians. Once they determine something is necessary, they do not care how long it takes and are able to endure costs unimaginable to “westerners”. This misunderstanding has been very damaging for the US/UK/EU and could eventually be fatal. 
 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 20:53 utc | 74

Trump’s envoy to Ukraine Kellogg will leave his position in January, — Reuters.
According to a source, Kellogg’s decision is related to disappointment due to being overwhelmed with the Ukrainian issue and the belief that some administration officials are not acting decisively enough to pressure Russia.

Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 19 2025 20:57 utc | 75

Trump’s envoy to Ukraine Kellogg will leave his position in January, — Reuters.According to a source, Kellogg’s decision is related to disappointment due to being overwhelmed with the Ukrainian issue and the belief that some administration officials are not acting decisively enough to pressure Russia.
Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 19 2025 20:57 utc | 75
 
No special envoy likes to be in the spotlight when he has to admit failure (for whatever reason), and since there will be no agreement favoring Ukraine…

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 21:00 utc | 76

English Outsider | Nov 19 2025 20:27 utc | 69
 
I think the two big ones for Russia is the recognition of all five regions to their administer borders as Russian and demilitarization.
No Nato and no ties to any military blocks and the current Ukraine military greatly reduced, perhaps no heavy weapons at all. That would also mean Ukraine changing its constitution to pre 2014 under which Ukraine peacefully ceded from the Soviet Union.
 
Once the conflict ends, people will still be leaving Ukraine for quite some time. The of damage now done to Ukraine energy infrastructure will take a fair amount of time to repair or replace. Even if a peace agreement was signed tomorrow, this will be a cold winter for Ukraine
I don’t think many Ukrainians have any understanding of the huge casualties they have sustained on the frontlines. That will start to sink in when a huge number of men don’t return home.
 
As for denazification , that might depend a bit on what Russia is seeing in Polish intentions. Poland demanding Ukraine hand over those or information on those supposedly responsible for sabotage of train tracks. The link put up by Repubicofscotland clearly show it to be fatigue damage. Poland has used this to try and force Ukraine intel to work with Polish intel.
Through the course of this conflict, Poland had made a number of moves to gradual take over control of Ukraine. The territory Stalin took from Poland in WWII the Poles still consider their territory. I think that would be the best all round solution. Let the Poles deal with the heartland of Bandera Nazisim in Galicia and Volyn, and a neutral non nazi rump Ukraine buffer state.
 
 

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 21:01 utc | 77

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 19 2025 20:27 utc | 69
 
“Agreeing on its conditions.”  Apologies.  Also for the massive space left in the comment section.  I know how to stop that but I’m afraid I forgot to do it.

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 19 2025 21:02 utc | 78

are able to endure costs unimaginable to “westerners”

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 20:53 utc | 74
 
100% this.
 
The losses endured during WW2/Great Patriotic War have a direct influence on the descendant generations that is incomprehensible to a Western mindset.
 
In one of his earlier journeys to Moscow, Larry Johnson posted that he had asked various Russian dinner guests which of their families had suffered direct losses in the conflict, and relates that every single one of them raised a hand.
 
The Western experience of the forge-hardening pain of war is non-existent by comparison.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 21:03 utc | 79

“Previously, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in response to a TASS question that Moscow and Washington are not working on any new initiatives regarding the Ukrainian settlement beyond the agreements reached by Russian President Vladimir Putin and US leader Donald Trump in Alaska.”
 
Going by the wording, its up to the Americans to force Ukraine into acceptance of the agreements reached in Alaska. Little Russia can do and nothing left to discuss with the Americans until they have forced Ukraine into agreement.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 21:08 utc | 81

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 21:03 utc | 79
 
I’m just an ordinary middle class putz with a lifelong interest in Russian history and culture. I have always been horrified that many American foreign policy experts and diplomats do not understand this. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 19 2025 21:10 utc | 82

its up to the Americans to force Ukraine into acceptance of the agreements reached in Alaska.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 21:08 utc | 81
 
Very much so. I’m beginning to wonder if there are further points of negotiation between Russia and the US that can only commence once Ukraine has accepted its current position is untenable in the medium- to long-term, and has signed up to the US “proposals”. From the Russian side, a sticking point, that might be subject to further talks, is who in Ukraine is legitimately empowered to act on that nation’s behalf?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 21:19 utc | 83

NABU. is an instrument created by Victoria cookies Nuland. ***
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 19 2025 20:07 utc | 66
 
Not cookies, yummy strudel. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 19 2025 21:19 utc | 84

US peace plan proposes Ukraine ‘give up sovereignty’ – media
The proposal requires that Kiev relinquish territory, reduce its army, and recognize Russian as an official language, Axios and FT report.
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 21:22 utc | 85

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 21:19 utc | 83
 
I believe an election would have to be held for finalization of any agreement. From what Lavrov or Putin said sometime back, Russia is willing to deal with Zelensky as a negotiator.
I think accepting the agreement would mean pulling forces back beyond the borders of the four regions then holding an election. Oneway or another, an election has to be held. For last few month, according to the Ukraine tg channels, Zelensky has been trying to eliminate rivals in preparation for an election.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 21:27 utc | 86

 Trump could get Zelensky to agree with the peace deal by blackmailing Zelensky with a massive trove of evidence that Zelensky led the corruption scam and grabbed the lion’s share of billions of dollars.  
 
Will Putin agree? What about sanctions on Russia, the frozen assets, four oblasts, ect…?
 
 
 

Posted by: Fredrick | Nov 19 2025 21:28 utc | 87

***At best incorporation of Western Ukraine would lead to the fragile and edgy situation we ourselves see in Northern Ireland. ***
Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 19 2025 20:27 utc | 69
 
A civilization that incorporates exogenous communitarian family structure seems to process genocide or genocide like trauma differently than areas where nuclear and authoritarian family structure predominates. Borderlands and Scots Irish are the primary influences in the US Appalachia – America’s warrior resivior. All disagreeadle and unruly to the core, much like Northern Irish. You just dont see an alalog in eastern Slav or Asian culture. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 19 2025 21:30 utc | 88

Everything I have read today does not meet Putin’s essential demands (read the text as it really is, not some interpretation or rephrasing by the media, but rather more or less sweet talk and partial concessions). If Putin agrees to this, the next war is already on the agenda. This is not a fundamental settlement with real security and denazification.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 21:34 utc | 89

I believe an election would have to be held for finalization of any agreement. ***
 
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 21:27 utc | 86
 
Of course this is what will be at the spearhead of the West (intelligence services). Narrative dominance, manufactured consensus, vote counting machines with open back doors – Colonialism lives!

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 19 2025 21:40 utc | 90

Very much so. I’m beginning to wonder if there are further points of negotiation between Russia and the US that can only commence once Ukraine has accepted its current position is untenable in the medium- to long-term, and has signed up to the US “proposals”. From the Russian side, a sticking point, that might be subject to further talks, is who in Ukraine is legitimately empowered to act on that nation’s behalf?
 
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 21:19 utc | 83
 
At the meeting in Alaska, it was ‘agreed’, in my opinion, that neither the US nor Russia has any interest in a direct war, which would then lead to a nuclear war.
Russia has no interest in a war, and the US does not want one at present.
Trump had a PR success, Russia showed its respect in the enemy’s country, a diplomatic offer without interested parties. The Russian victims were betrayed in a way, as there were no charges brought by Russia against the US, no call for an end to the conflict, and no question of guilt or compensation was resolved. 
Putin humiliated himself to serve Russia and offer the US an easy way out. 
Diplomatic expectations are likely to be limited now.
At the very least, prosecution of Putin by the International Court of Justice is off the table, as the US, in its role as host, has rehabilitated Putin in the Western ‘legal system’ and other countries can no longer be accused of harbouring Putin.
 

Posted by: BlindSpot | Nov 19 2025 21:42 utc | 91

@ Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 21:27 utc | 86
 
Over a year ago, I remember thinking that if Zelly wanted to get out while the getting was good, he should call a snap election and announce he wouldn’t be standing as a candidate, then quietly vamoose with his takings.
 
I’ve also seen snippets of reports about the neutering of potential opponents, but there’s one or two yet to be tackled, for example Klitschko in Kiev, who has quite a lot of popularity.
 
Nowadays though, I think an election campaign in Ukraine could be a torrid affair, with various paramilitary groups mounting violent campaigns on behalf of their own favoured/affiliated candidate and against their perceived opponents. Of course, this could also be contrived by the West, as an excuse to send in troops as “peacekeepers/election observers” and show that “we” really are on the side of peaceful democracy…
 
The mess doesn’t get any easier to solve.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 21:44 utc | 92

Alexander Mercouris: ‘Regime Collapse’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@AlexMercouris/videos
 
“|Kiev regime falls apart|Calls Yermak to go|Umerov in US| Ministers flee| Huge strike| Siversk stormed|”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 19 2025 21:49 utc | 93

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 16:40 utc | 12
 
” I had thought it was Europe controlling that organization.”
 
Exactly Peter, that was the logical thing to do in light of a press release from the European Court of Auditors, 23 September 2021.
 
The report heading reads — EU support for reforms in Ukraine ineffective in fighting grand corruption.
It continues;“Grand corruption and state capture are still widespread in Ukraine despite EU action, according to a special report published by the European Court of Auditors (ECA). The EU has been trying to address corruption in Ukraine as a cross-cutting priority; it has channelled funds and efforts through a variety of sectors, from the competition environment to the judiciary and civil society. But the support and measures put in place have not delivered the expected results, the auditors say…Grand corruption and state capture are endemic in Ukraine; as well as hindering competition and growth, they also harm the democratic process.”
 
That they did not act, makes you wonder just how far the graft extends.

Posted by: Steve from oz | Nov 19 2025 21:56 utc | 94

This is not a fundamental settlement

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 21:34 utc | 89
 
I don’t see it as being intended to be a fundamental settlement, just the first stage (getting Ukraine to STFU and realise its true place), before getting down to the nitty-gritty difficult stuff such as an enduring European security architecture.
 
Russia published its December 2021 draft treaty, but there’s nothing to say it had to be agreed all at once; line by line, clause by clause, it will eventually be implemented, with the West not even realising what is actually happening.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 21:58 utc | 95

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 21:44 utc | 95
 
For Zelensky, It was all about the money. He may have waited too long to make a safe exit. Larry Johnson said the pentagon were investigating where aid money had gone and found 48 billion had been stolen. FBI is also investigating. Now these reports on US issuing new sanctions on countries that have laundered over 100 billion.
Every official in Ukraine takes a cut of the aid money that has flowed in, the Zelensky gang getting the lions share.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 22:05 utc | 96

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 21:58 utc | 99
The basic points – security guarantees, territorial boundaries, and demilitarization – must be addressed immediately; otherwise, there’s no room for further negotiation. And there’s almost no mention of this in the media, just empty rhetoric. It’s just smoke and mirrors for the press. It sounds good at first, but on closer inspection, it’s empty; Russia offers nothing it doesn’t already have or won’t have very soon.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 19 2025 22:05 utc | 97

That they did not act, makes you wonder just how far the graft extends.
Posted by: Steve from oz | Nov 19 2025 21:56 utc | 98
 
Larry Johnson has said two US senators have recieved around 17 million each into the personal accounts. The is like more in the US including for the big man. Europe will be the same. All taking cuts of the massive theft that has been occurring in Ukraine over the last years.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 22:10 utc | 98

@69
 
My Dear Mr English Outsider (one would ponder on why?)
 
You neglected Odessa; Odessa has got to be in the strategic sights of the Rooskies, simply to piss off the English Insiders and throw an Orc-sized spanner in the Perfidious Albion gears. N’est pas?
 
Yours in Outside Englishness
 
ALJ

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Nov 19 2025 22:13 utc | 99

He may have waited too long to make a safe exit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2025 22:05 utc | 100
 
I definitely think so, there was a window of opportunity in the months immediately following the official expiry of his presidency for him to withdraw gracefully, to a degree, but he didn’t take it and is now faced with a real struggle for his very survival, which is now far from guaranteed.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 19 2025 22:15 utc | 100