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November 28, 2025
Ukraine Rejects Trump’s Peace Plan – U.S. Reacts To Its Defiance

After rejecting a plan that would see Ukraine concede territory to Russia its leadership has come under new pressure.

Trump’s 28-point Ukraine plan, leaked by former U.S. envoy to Ukraine Keith Kellogg, was an attempt to shut the war down – at least for now. The European dimwits, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and the Ukrainian ruler managed to sabotage it:

One camp, including Vance, special envoy Steve Witkoff and other officials, views Ukraine as the primary obstacle to peace and favors using U.S. leverage to force Kyiv to make major compromises, according to multiple current and former officials.

The other camp, represented by Rubio and other officials, sees Russia as the culprit for having launched an unprovoked invasion of its neighbor and says Moscow will relent only if it pays a price for its aggression through sanctions and other pressure.

With his deputies vying for his attention along with Republican lawmakers and European leaders, President Donald Trump has veered back and forth on how to resolve the conflict.

While the 28-point plan included several points Russia could not agree to (like a 600,000 strong Ukrainian army), it also included significant concession Ukraine would have to make. It could have been the base for further discussions with Russia. But Rubio allowed the Ukrainians to shrink the plan down to 19 points by taking out any Ukrainian concessions while adding erroneous demands (a 800,000 strong Ukrainian army) which are unacceptable to Russia.

Trump is, as usual, behaving like a weathervane unable or unwilling to force his will on the opponents of his plan.

The Ukrainian army is collapsing. Pokrovsk had been enveloped and occupied a week ago. But Zelenski and others kept claimed that the Ukrainian was winning that battle. As the army breaks down and its soldiers flee from their positions (in Russian) other cities, like Huleipole and Siversk, will soon fall too.

There is no way for Ukraine to win the war. The longer the war takes the more will be lost for Ukraine.

The utter delusion behind the rejection of Trump’s 28 point plan was demonstrated by the European High Representative for Foreign Affairs Katja Kallas:

“We still need to get from a situation where Russia pretends to negotiate to a situation where they need to negotiate”

Sure. And how are going to get there? After 19 rounds of EU sanction on Russia the 20th package will certainly take care of it?

During the latest round of negotiations the acting president of Ukraine Vladimir Zelenski had named the chief of his office Andrei Yermak and the Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council Rustem Umerov as negotiators.
This was widely seen as an attempt to protect both persons from prosecution for their involvement in a recent case of large scale corruption.

Yermak admitted as much when he called up Simon Shuster at The Atlantic to put an end to the current round of negotiations:

Volodymyr Zelensky, in the next phase of talks to end the war in Ukraine, intends to draw a red line at the most contentious issue on the table: the Russian demand for Ukraine’s sovereign territory. As long as he remains the nation’s president, Zelensky will not agree to give up land in exchange for peace, Ukraine’s chief negotiator, Andriy Yermak, told me today in an exclusive interview.

“Not a single sane person today would sign a document to give up territory,” said Yermak, who has served as Zelensky’s chief of staff, lead negotiator, and closest aide throughout the full-scale war with Russia.

“As long as Zelensky is president, no one should count on us giving up territory. He will not sign away territory,” he told me by telephone from Kyiv. “The constitution prohibits this. Nobody can do that unless they want to go against the Ukrainian constitution and the Ukrainian people.”

Russia will ignore such nonsense and take by force whatever territory it thinks it needs. Further down Yermak explains to Shuster why he was tasked with negotiations:

In our interview, Yermak responded at length for the first time to the investigation and the resulting calls for him to step aside. “The pressure is enormous,” he told me. “The case is fairly loud, and there needs to be an objective and independent investigation without political influence.”

By appointing him to lead Ukraine’s negotiating team despite the scandal, Zelensky made clear to the people of Ukraine that Yermak continues to enjoy his trust, he said. The people of Ukraine “see that I have been beside the president all these years during all the most difficult, tragic, and dangerous moments,” Yermak said. “He trusted me with these negotiations that will decide the fate of our country. And if people support the president, that should answer all their questions.”

Ukraine has now officially rejected the core element – land for peace – of Trump’s plan. The U.S. immediately responded to this open defiance. Today, by using its control over the Ukrainian National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU) and various ‘nationalist’ and fascist media in Ukraine, it hit back at Yermak:

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU) and the Specialised Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office (SAPO) are conducting searches at the office of Andrii Yermak, Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, in the government district on the morning of 28 November.

Source: Ukrainska Pravda journalist at the scene

Details: Ukrainska Pravda journalists managed to record around 10 employees from NABU and SAPO entering the government district.

The independent Ukrainian outlet Strana summarizes the political background of this action (machine translation):

Observers drew attention to the fact that the searches began just before the visit of US Army Secretary Daniel Driscoll, a representative of Donald Trump, to Kiev. According to a popular version, he should put pressure on the Ukrainian authorities to agree to concessions under the Trump peace plan, including with regard to the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the Donbass.

And just yesterday, Yermak solemnly proclaimed that as long as Vladimir Zelensky is president, Ukraine will not make territorial concessions.

Therefore, many people in political circles associate the searches of Yermak’s apartment with these events. That is, according to this version, Washington, with the help of NABU, makes it clear to Zelensky that the situation is serious and it’s time to adjust the position on the peace plan.

According to another version, the searches are connected with the long-running line of the “anti-Green coalition” to deprive the president of real power and turn him into the “queen of England” by losing control of the parliamentary majority and the government. One of the central elements of this plan is the dismissal of Yermak, which Zelensky has so far refused to do. But now, apparently, they decided to present him with new arguments in favor of such a step.

I seriously doubt the second explanation though this is not a neither nor situation. NABU is unlikely to act on anything without having a green light from the U.S. ambassador in Kiev.

Zelenski and Yermak will certainly hit back at NABU. A few month ago they had already tried to neuter it but had to retreat under pressure from Washington and Europe. They can use security services under their control -Ukraine’s FBI equivalent SBU –  to arrest and indict NABU official.

The race is on.

Who will be the first to be arrested: Andrei Yermak or the chief investigators of NABU?

Comments

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 29 2025 3:36 utc | 294
Zbigneiw  Brzezinski admitted the CIA was in Afghanistan with the intention of provoked the Soviets to “give them their own Vietnam “… ie…
Get bogged down playing whackamole with civilian-soldiers.
Of course, as soon as the Soviets took the bait and went in, the U$ vehemently denied, in outraged ululating, that they’d been anywhere near Afghanistan.
Protestations they insisted on, until after the end of the Soviet Union, when Brzezinski couldn’t help himself but brag, that, *of course* the CIA had been doing pretty much exactly what the Soviets had accused them of.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 29 2025 3:54 utc | 301

The only front Yermak is going to is in Gaza
 
Gulyaipole
 
Odin, Dva, Tri, Chotiri
Ay….., Gulyaipole,  watch Putin now, watch him
Here he comes, here he comes, Watch Putin now, he get ‘cha
 
Syrskyi told Z man “This town’s fate is sown
You’re soon to lose it  Like Mindich’s golden throne”
Gulyaipole, Gulyaipole, Ain’t no jive,
Gulyaipole, Swallowed wholly, Gulyaipole
 
Z man told Syrskyi “Make the troops stand and fight
I have to fly to Turkiye. Be back Friday night”
Gulyaipole, Gulyaipole,
Gulyaipole, Swallowed wholly, Gulyaipole
Taco told Z man “I’m gonna send my reps
To show you a new dance with only 28 steps”
Gulyaipole, Gulyaipole,
Gulyaipole, Swallowed wholly, Gulyaipole
Z man told Taco “I’ll have to change a few
Let me talk to NATO, and I’ll get back to you”
Gulyaipole, Gulyaipole
Gulyaipole, Swallowed wholly, Gulyaipole
Yermak told Z man  “This is a dream come true
There’s no extradition and no NABU”
Gulyaipole, GulyaipoleGulyaipole, Swallowed wholly, Gulyaipole
Watch it now, watch it, here he comes You got it, you got it
 
Z man told Yermak “I’ll have to flee as well
Buy me a compound down in Israel”
Gulyaipole, Gulyaipole
Gulyaipole, Swallowed wholly, Gulyaipole
Watch it now, watch it, watch it, watch it   Ay…. Fly fly fly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CHiUN8XTWs
 
 

Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Nov 29 2025 3:55 utc | 302

“I’m taking my dogs to the beach.  I hate humanity on the most part.”
Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 29 2025 2:22 utc | 282
 
“Dogs are the very best people”. They either love you to death or hate you and it is obvious.
 
I can understand that you hate humanity, but it is mainly because the media and entertainment industry rarely says anything good about human beings. Countless good deeds are done by humans every day but the rotten media pays no attention to that. Instead it spreads permanent gossip about ‘killers’, other ad hominem negatives, and disgraceful acts that humans do, never does it say anything good about the positive things humans do or why people do negative deeds. That’ s because fear is the biggest seller of the lot in the media and the media milks it for all it is worth. Many populist politicians do the same while helping themselves to easy money and further contacts post political career. Most movies I see coming out now I avoid simply because of the awful conduct displayed and the propensity for gratuitous violence being part of many movies.
 
My view of humans returned to something far better after having spent sometime in hospital, and recovering from an encounter with the grim reaper.  There I realized that many people in such places are not just motivated by money and ego, but also because they actually care about other human beings and choose to work in such places because they are some of the best people around. They saved my life, and I will be eternally grateful for that.
 
Now I have something to remember when I start to feel again that humans are disgraceful, and that usually results again from the skewed reporting in the media and exposing myself to it too much. Many humans are both compassionate and empathetic but it is not encouraged in a world where divisiveness and hate is promoted instead.
 
 
 
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 29 2025 3:57 utc | 303

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 29 2025 3:54 utc | 298
 
I understand that’s what is pretty much what is portrayed in the movie ‘Charlie Wilsons War’. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 29 2025 4:01 utc | 304

BBCTrump says he will pardon ex-Honduras president convicted of drug trafficking5 hours ago
 
Is it simply to demonstrate a philosophical divergence from the Department of Armed Robbery?

When the Ukrainian troops leave the territories they occupy, then the hostilities will cease. If they do not leave, we will achieve it militarily. That’s that.[v.v. Putin.”

Posted by: Laurence | Nov 29 2025 4:29 utc | 305

UA is not a sovereign country, it was permitted to establish under the condition of neutrality.
DE is neither a sovereign country, it was permitted under the condition of NATO not moving an inch eastwards.
Both conditions were violated.
 
RF has the right to take a military action against DE in case DE returns to aggressive policies (a 1945 UN resolution).
DE is returning to aggressive policies (under US pressure).

Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Nov 29 2025 4:43 utc | 306

Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Nov 29 2025 3:55 utc | 299
I haven’t seen you here.  That said, I have bored the rest of the barflies to death with my interest in the music of my hero, Nestor Makhno, so here’s a classic  from Huilaplolia.
Чому не вийшло? – Why Didn’t it Work?
Trespasser did a great metal record of many of his songs.  I think they’re from Sweden.  Kind of ironic.  That’s almost a self contained joke.
Trespasser – Why Didn’t It Work?

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 29 2025 4:43 utc | 307

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 29 2025 3:57 utc | 300
I fully agree. 
I’m glad you made it through!
I live in LA, and I work in the biz.  Mojo, Arrow and lex had fun on the beach.  
Born Free

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 29 2025 4:49 utc | 308

Mr Wendell
 
I have learned what happiness is and how people can genuinely have it.
 
But I want to tell from inside experience how American trade negotiation works
For years Australia had negotiated a  “free” trade agreement with America. In our loop there were 34. We went back and forth and it was hard negotiation. Came signing day. The room was prepared. The desk and chairs in place. Press and TV cameras set up. The American side brought in the signing copies half an hour to g
 A diligent staffer from our team made a last minute check. She was horrified. A change of one word on both copies
 PM was told. We advised to withdraw. But he chose to sign and try and work it out later
 The change was profound. Australia had a rule of minimum 30% Australian content for film and television. The Americans changed Australia to America.
Our film and television industry was destroyed. Australia people got episodes of Friends, Sex in the City, and lots of shooting and terror. Needless to say violence eventually followed in Australian society .
Paul Keating was a smart man, but naive about America and about China.
 
I know of many treacherous things America has done to Australia. But I am not permitted to talk about them. Least I say that America is not agreement capable.
 
 

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 29 2025 4:51 utc | 309

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 29 2025 4:51 utc | 306
Nugan Hand Bank.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 29 2025 4:56 utc | 310

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 29 2025 3:54 utc | 298
I think the Soviets were invited due to the Friendship Treaty. And they had a good reason since it was on their southern border.  But it was a great trap on the Waste’s side.  And Brzezinski’s  daughter gets to tell we pindos how to think now. Yay!  We totally did a better job, too.
At least they had a bunch of great songs that came out of the mess.  Easy for me to say as one who has never witnessed war.  
Oh Afghanistan
Blue Berets – Mountains Near Peshawar 
 
 

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 29 2025 5:16 utc | 311

Z man told Yermak “I’ll have to flee as well
Buy me a compound down in Israel”
Gulyaipole, Gulyaipole
Gulyaipole, Swallowed wholly, Gulyaipole
Watch it now, watch it, watch it, watch it   Ay…. Fly fly fly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CHiUN8XTWs.com/watch?v=7CHiUN8XTWs  Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Nov 29 2025 3:55 utc | 299
————————————————————————————
Hey, I loves me my Wooly Bully (I remember when it came out!), but I wanted to hear the Yermak song. Got a link to that?
I’m guessing it’s a hip hip thang …
BTW, fixed your broken link to the YooToob video.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Nov 29 2025 5:18 utc | 312

Mr Talionis
Harold Holt, our prime minister. CIA admitted they ,”eliminated” him.
Pine Gap. Gough Whitlam. Another prime minister CIA removed in a palace coup.
American diplomacy is treacherous. Many MoA people think they can be managed. But they have no experience that you can’t dance with the devil and survive.

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 29 2025 5:19 utc | 313

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 29 2025 4:49 utc | 305
 
Thanks Lex
 
I’m lucky I have a back yard with trees and  lots of birds I can talk to. When I go out for a walk I encounter many dogs, especially tiny ones. It’s usually how I get to know their owners. Animals pick up on your state of being far quicker than most humans. Glad you had a good walk and it is always good to talk with a decent American since  I also know there are many of them too, despite the preoccupations of the media that rarely reflect it. 
 
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 29 2025 5:19 utc | 314

Well, I thought I fixed that broken link …

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Nov 29 2025 5:20 utc | 315

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 29 2025 5:19 utc | 311
Thank you.  We don’t all totally suck here.  Just most of us.  🙂
 

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 29 2025 5:26 utc | 316

 Reading from above the things the nations are accused of.. reminds me..
 
that the world would be better off, if secrets between leaders of the nations and between the domestic politicians and their agencies were completely outlawed and criminalized.
 
 
The UN needs to carefully investigate the relationship between domestic corruption and foreign wars. It then needs to investigate the relationship between secrecy and domestic corruption. 
 
 
Democracy has turned out to be a great enabler of corruption..historically its first order of business has been to privatize government monopolies and government powers into untrustworthy human hands. The first line of defense against corruption, lies in ability of society to timely discover and to continuously expose the whole of the activities untrustworthy humans are involved with or connected to. 
 
 
The ingredients for successful corruption involve deceit, secrecy, position, opportunity and greed that exceeds obligation to the community (IOWs untrustworthy humanity). 

Posted by: snake | Nov 29 2025 5:26 utc | 317

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 29 2025 4:51 utc | 306
 
I can relate to all of that as well as your 310 post. There has been a great series on The Dismissal on Pearls and Irritations lately – I’m old enough to remember the day it happened.
https://johnmenadue.com/categories/pearlcast/
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 29 2025 5:30 utc | 318

I agree and would say its the toxic mix of the flaws within democracy, unfettered capitalism and consumerism, that has led to this situation. I think phony advertising and the psychological abuse of subconscious to sell products has been a big contribution. There are literally thousands of books that have been published that inform business how to exploit people’s psychological vulnerabilities. Edward Bernays was one early example. We stopped hunting animals and started hunting human beings, laying traps, and decoys and giving false concepts about the benefits of many marketed products as lures.  It was only a matter of time that it would hybridize with government and politicians. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 29 2025 5:45 utc | 319

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 29 2025 5:19 utc | 310
 
Whitlam and probably Rudd, CIA jobs, but I had not heard the Harold Holt one before.  He was very pro USA, so I am surprised. Quite possible of course.
 
For non Australians and people under 65, Harold Holt was the Australian Prime Minister who was “lost”. Probably drowned after being washed out to sea. Could have been murdered, could have had a heart attack, could have been suicide. I always liked the idea of the North Korean or Chinese min-sub taking him. Now where was Putin at the time. Probably his fault.
 
There have been a LOT of PMs since who I would not have been sorry if lost at sea

Posted by: watcher | Nov 29 2025 5:52 utc | 320

Russian oil tankers have been hit in the Black Sea – one by a mine, the other by drones. Some say the British were behind it.
https://x.com/TeaTramRussia/status/1994566554919567617

Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 29 2025 6:03 utc | 321

 PM was told. We advised to withdraw. But he chose to sign and try and work it out later The change was profound. Australia had a rule of minimum 30% Australian content for film and television. The Americans changed Australia to America. Posted by: Bingo | Nov 29 2025 4:51 utc | 306
 
Hawk? I believe Murdoch was involved in getting media ownership laws changed. He appears in the Reagan papers and Robert Parry’s articles on the subject of ‘Perception Management’. Murdoch, a US media owner CIA and Regan meeting. The beginnings of the fully controlled media we have today.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 6:08 utc | 322

Russian oil tankers have been hit in the Black Sea – one by a mine, the other by drones. Some say the British were behind it.
 
Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 29 2025 6:03 utc | 318
 
#####
 
Who cares?
 
Russia could lose 20 tankers, and it wouldn’t make a dent in their operation. Russia is not the one with limited supplies.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2025 6:16 utc | 323

Mr Watcher
Harold Holt was a very experienced swimmer. It was his habit to swim evey Saturday morning at the beach near his residence. He disappeared.
In Parliament on the Monday was a Bill to decide whether Australia would introduce conscription and sending troops to Vietnam to join the American war. Holt was very much against conscription. He had sworn to vote against it
When the vote did come up the incoming PM was all for America and conscription was passed into law.. there was a bowl of marbles each with a date. If your 20 th birthday was on that marble you were in the army basically.
There was no referendum and no real vote. President Lyndon B Johnson came to Australia and they sang ,”all the way with ,LBJ,’ in the streets
At 5am a knock on my door. Three military police took me from the doorstep to the paddy wagon and I was a gonna
 Date of my birthday 7/8/1949. 
Life can be a lottery. At least I did better than Harold Holt

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 29 2025 6:51 utc | 324

GeorgeWendell, lex talionis, Bingo, what a beautiful exchange of hope and gratitude! I am so glad you are on the mend GeorgeWendell and it gave you deep new insights. So glad you could share this refreshing light, and look how beautiful as it touches others.
 
 
🙂 And if I may be so bold, as there’s already been talk about them in this topic, let me stick a polished diamond into that light to reflect and refract it to reach even further indirect crevices:
 
 
🙂  Fuck chasing happiness. Happiness is dependent upon what happens. Instead try ever refreshing Joy! And when you want a sublime version of the same great taste, try Peace. It suffuses everything with what it craves. 😀
/cracks into another cold one at this bar
/Aaaaah…
/cheep cheep

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 29 2025 6:53 utc | 325

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 29 2025 5:26 utc | 313
 
Lex, George, always enjoy reading your comments.
 
Keep ’em coming.

Posted by: Steve from oz | Nov 29 2025 6:55 utc | 326

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 29 2025 6:53 utc | 322
A source of happiness became far more obvious to me when I was stripped of all the usual physical and sensual pleasures including a sense of taste for almost a year. Everything tasted like sodium bicarbonate including sugar. It is amazing how many more sources of happiness there are beyond what we think we need when so much is taken from us. It’s also amazing how much you can let go of  when you just go with the flow and accept the situation and rely on the care of others. It was a challenging situation I went through, but to this day I still think it was well worth it so that I could see all this. 
 
I understand that what you mean by “chasing happiness” has nothing to do with what I am saying but moreover chasing after endless desires that can never be fulfilled. If you are on that path it is never satisfying.
 
Thanks for your comment, I do have great faith in human beings now, despite the horrors we are presented with through the media and elsewhere. We make up our own version of the world in our minds, it is best to choose a version that is observant of what others do for us, and what they add to our lives. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 29 2025 7:25 utc | 327

Posted by: Steve from oz | Nov 29 2025 6:55 utc | 323
 
It’s encouraging to see that others appreciate this sort of discussion. It validates my view about humans being much better than we are frequently told. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 29 2025 7:27 utc | 328

Chrystia Freeland is becoming the focus of the next Ukraine corruption scandal. Hopefully this spreads to the Eurotards as well.

So… Chrystia Freeland was just filmed sitting beside Andriy Yermak, DAYS before his home was raided in a corruption probe, and he resigned. Canada has sent more money to Ukraine than any country on Earth… and this is who our “reconstruction envoy” is meeting with? Optics don’t get much worse than this.

 

https://x.com/JasminLaine_/status/1994510187055476952

 
Julian Assange:

Chrystia Freeland, a prominent Canadian politician, and Timur Mindich, an associate of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, are mentioned together in recent news regarding Canada’s relations with Ukraine and allegations of corruption. The connection primarily stems from reports and social media discussions surrounding Mindich’s alleged involvement in Ukrainian corruption scandals and Canada’s support for Ukraine, particularly during Freeland’s tenure as Canada’s former Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister.
 
Key points regarding their association: Zelenskyy Associate: Mindich has been identified in various reports as a “secretive associate” of President Zelenskyy. Corruption Allegations: He is the alleged ringleader in a reported $100-million graft case in Ukraine, which has drawn significant media and political attention.
 
 
Canadian Context: Discussions about Mindich and the corruption case have appeared in the context of Canadian politics and foreign policy, particularly concerning financial aid and support for Ukraine, and whether Canadian officials, including Freeland, were aware of the situation. Freeland recently resigned from her ministerial positions in September 2025.
 
 
Following her resignation, she was appointed as the Prime Minister’s special envoy for Ukraine’s reconstruction. The timing of these events has led to speculation and discussions in some circles linking her departure to the ongoing scrutiny of corruption in Ukraine and Mindich’s alleged role.

 
 

https://x.com/ImJulianAssange/status/1990791225134518675

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2025 7:31 utc | 329

Corruption? what corruption?
Yemak and co are doing what everyone does, steal & loot that is. Brussels is so much overflowed with money that someone had to be arrested for distributing cash in plastic bags, you think darknet folks sold all those weapons to the cartels?  At least Yemak didn’t bought 7 billion covid shots for 350m people and didn’t  presented any fake Ph.D.  It is beyond racist to accuse a poor Ukrainian for using common practices.
 
 

Posted by: 667 | Nov 29 2025 8:09 utc | 330

Talks for the UK to join the EU’s $150 billion defense fund have collapsed, leaving Europe to push ahead with beefed-up military ambitions on its own, the Financial Times reports.EU ambassadors rejected Britain’s offer of roughly $215 million to join the Security Action for Europe (SAFE) fund on Friday, far short of the European Union’s $2.16 billion price tag for participation.
 
sputnik news
note couple days UK defence chiefs are dedoarate for funds to rebuild its military,having only c 20000 active soldiers etc who can actually fight on the ground.

Posted by: Jo | Nov 29 2025 9:18 utc | 331

desparate

Posted by: Jo | Nov 29 2025 9:18 utc | 332

Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 28 2025 23:44 utc | 251
[…]

 
His style is not verbose. It is nuanced. Verbosity has much more repetition in it.
Many smart people share that feature, the ability to keep a line of argument for a long time by approaching it from many different angles. The onus is on the listener to keep track of the central line for the long time it takes to cover it from many different angles.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 29 2025 9:32 utc | 333

Ledovik1
 
The Russian embassy in the UK has accused British media of misrepresenting President Vladimir Putin’s comments on the Ukraine conflict.
The diplomats have pointed to coverage by certain outlets, including The Daily Telegraph, which it said allowed “serious distortions” of Putin’s remarks during his recent visit to Kyrgyzstan.
“His words were effectively doctored to align with the UK’s official narrative,” the statement on the embassy’s official website said Thursday.
“In particular, he was alleged to have said that it was Russia that intended to fight until the last Ukrainian dies.”
“The actual context is entirely different,” the embassy continued, quoting Putin’s remarks word for word:

Read more
 A Ukraine peace plan: Where things stand – and why the West still isn’t on the same page

“…And then there are others, those who still continue to believe that Kupyansk is somehow back under Ukrainian control and who insist on continuing the fighting until the last Ukrainian is killed. <…> The ones attacking Mr. Witkoff [US special envoy Steve Witkoff] are precisely those who align with this second point of view, those who want to join the Ukrainian establishment in siphoning off money while prolonging hostilities until the last Ukrainian dies. But I have already said publicly: in fact, we are prepared for this.”
“Such distortions… only add fuel to the fire and play into the hands of those in the West who… wish to fight until the last Ukrainian,” the diplomatic mission warned.

Posted by: Jo | Nov 29 2025 9:43 utc | 334

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 22:06 utc | 209
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A NATO third party, lol.

Posted by: scc | Nov 29 2025 10:04 utc | 335

“if people support the president, that should answer all their questions.”
If this is true why not hold elections?

Posted by: Goldhoarder | Nov 29 2025 10:10 utc | 336

USA Rules Ukraine Through Anticorruption Agency | Prof. Ivan Katchanovski   1 hour
 

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 29 2025 10:20 utc | 337

The Duran
Russia military gains wake up US. EU remains delusional

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goaWpHkxy3c

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2025 10:55 utc | 338

Around 36 missiles and 600 drones were launched at Ukraine today. The primary targets once again were energy facilities in Kiev and the surrounding region. Ukraine’s Ministry of Energy states that as a result of the strikes, 500,000 consumers in Kiev were left without power, more than 100,000 in the Kiev region, and nearly 8,000 in the Kharkov region.

https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1994706060339270131

The night strike on Ukraine involved about 600 drones and missiles, the enemy counted.
 
The Ministry of Energy of Ukraine reported that as a result of the attack, more than 500,000 consumers in Kiev, more than 100,000 in the Kiev region, and almost 8,000 in the Kharkov region were left without power.
 
The Russian Ministry of Defense reported that the massive strike was carried out with precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles against enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and energy facilities that ensure their operation.
 

https://t.me/two_majors/64017?single

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2025 11:02 utc | 339

@ Bingo (324)
There is absolutely no evidence that Harold Holt was opposed to conscription in Australia.  The National Service Act was passed in 1964 while Holt was a senior minister in the Menzies government;  he did not become Prime Minister until Menzies retired in 1966.  Holt may have been slightly less hawkish on the Vietnam issue than his successor John Gorton,  but not enough to matter. Incidentally, conscription  for overseas service was introduced in Australia primarily in response to a perceived threat from Sukarno’s Indonesia;  it had nothing to do with the Vietnam war originally, but it was found expedient to continue with it even after the Soeharto coup in 1965 had removed the danger from Konfrontasi. A bloody and disgraceful episode in Australia’s history;  of that there is no doubt.

Posted by: Bernard Davis | Nov 29 2025 11:15 utc | 340

Posted by: juliania | Nov 29 2025 2:25 utc | 287
Graham Fuller , the regime change guy? An ex and maybe still active , anti Russian spook now gone neutral? Hmm.   He was behind the failed coup against Erdogan and was there in Turkey with another American with a Jewish surname when it all happened. Mysteriously, both left Turkey when it became clear that the coup would fail. They were supposedly running it from an island close to Istanbul. Fuller is also uncle to the Tsarnaev brothers, aka Boston Bombers.  It’s a small world .

Posted by: woebegone | Nov 29 2025 11:18 utc | 341

‘There is a smart way for Ukrainians to get Crimea and Donbass back, and never own a penny of Kiev’s 7-generation Usury Debt : they just become Russians. However, they will need to learn the language and that strange cyrillic alphabet and maybe embrace the orthodox faith. Oh wait.Posted by: Asian Frog’
Having the same alphabet and religion as another nation and knowing its language does not mean that you are the same nation. (By that logic, all the Latin American nations would be the same nation,  Canadians would be Americans, Brazilians would be Portuguese, the Welsh would be English, the Swiss would be either French or Germans, the Austrians would be Germans, etc., etc.) The claim that the Ukrainians are actually Russians is based on failure or refusal to understand that peoples determine their own identity. Nations are a matter of identity; trying to tell a people that they are not a separate nation when they do consider themselves a separate nation is never logically or morally justified. Indeed, the very idea that you can do so is low-key fascistic and typical of nationalists from backward countries.

Posted by: F. Foundling | Nov 29 2025 11:29 utc | 342

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 29 2025 6:51 utc | 324
Posted by: Bernard Davis | Nov 29 2025 11:15 utc | 341
I agree with Bernard. I know that Holt was the one who coined “all the way with LBJ” , far from being anti-American wrt conscripting Aussies. If that was just a facade , and he was privately against the Yanks, well I will have to rethink his legacy.
 
What use is it to be against a policy or hegemon, and die and be known as their lackey? At least once , he should have shown his true colours so it can go on the record, as a witnessed utterance, written record etc. 
 
In addition, it is irony that a public pool was opened with his name on it , that lives to this day , in a leafy middle-class suburb in Melbourne. I do think it was before his drowning though.  He was famously a good swimmer , and handsome man who aged well. Could he have been murdered by a wronged husband?  I know of a few drownings there that were suspicious.

Posted by: woebegone | Nov 29 2025 11:31 utc | 343

‘(4) the Jewish leadership of the Ukraines will remain at the ‘hit’ phase of their hit-and-run business (though some of these Jews have already passed to the ‘run’ phase). […]
The West had three options:(2) A fascist military coup in Kiev
Posted by: Johan Kaspar’
 
You seem to treat ‘fascist’ as a pejorative, while clearly being an anti-Semite yourself. That’s rather  incoherent.

Posted by: F. Foundling | Nov 29 2025 11:38 utc | 344

Posted by: F. Foundling | Nov 29 2025 11:29 utc | 343
 
Absolute rubbish. The first half I agree with in principle , but modern Welsh, Irish and Scots still agree they are part of the British nation or “civilisation”.They agree they are Romano-Celtic-Germanic stock even if they are nationalists or wanting to be irredentists. 
 
We all know Brazilians blah blah are based on Portuguese but have too much black blood to be still Portuguese . 
 
Ukrainians are the same as Russians to all intents and purposes. They have the same genetics in the main, same history, same religion blah and and the only thing that separated them was the bloody Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth that turned the Galicians into Catholics! They still call themselves Greek Catholics/ now mostly Uniates because at least until recently they admitted they once were subjects of the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Greco-Slavic world. 
 
I have no problems debating FYROM “Macedonians”, Askenazi Jews, Turks of Cyprus/Crete, Albanians or even Gazan Arabs on who they really are. I have done so many times  in person and on boards ,and most observers said I won the argument. Ukros saying they are fundamentally different from Russians are dumb as doorknobs. 

Posted by: woebegone | Nov 29 2025 11:48 utc | 345

Re: whats a Nation ?
 
at least 40% of the population with Ukrainian Citizenship openly consider themselves to be ethnic Russians.  If the Kiev Gov‘t stopped brutally repressing Russian Identity- that 40% figure might be 60-75%. 

Posted by: Exile | Nov 29 2025 11:50 utc | 346

F. Foundling | Nov 29 2025 11:29 utc | 343
 
What sort of clown are yo? Do you know anything of the history of that region Lenin drew on a map?
And what exactly are the Ukrainians? The Polish Rus?, the Australian Rus?  Or perhaps its the Romanians or Hungarians? About one third of the area has never belonged to Poland.   Polish Rus are mostly orthodox and Russian is the only language for many The bulk of the Polish Rus went back to Russia in the mid 1800’s. Galician dialect is different from Russian and they are catholic. Banderastan.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 12:02 utc | 347

‘Ukraine’ (most likely British naval drone operators) have struck two oil tankers on the north side of sea of Marmara or Turkish straits. British government methods imply open warfare on commercial shipping is now acceptable.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2025 12:10 utc | 348

Bernard Davis @341
The sanitized version of history. And you aren’t telling the truth.
The vote was to decide to send troops to Vietnam. No Australian army has every fought or been to fight in Indonesia. But there was a framework put in by Menzies at American request. However it was not in any way configured to be applied to send troops to Vietnam. The US disappearance of Harold Holt is officially unsolved. But years later a US intelligence officer referred to it on his memoirs and admitted to the US involvement. I have that memoir in my home library but I am a long way from home as I write this.
On the biography of Harold Holt his opposition to sending Australian troops to Vietnam is well recorded. Holt made a speech in Parliament that was recorded on Hansard.
The visit to Australia by US president LB Johnson was well recorded. It was a big deal at the time. And it was made in recognition of Australia’s military support in the Vietnam war.
Big bad Indonesia was never a real threat to Australia. Indonesia declared it was non-aligned something that America could not abide. They orchestrated a revolution and millions died.
Australian history as you can read it is so horribly biased. Even today the only version of events is the official sanitized one. 
In the early days of the colony officialls in the Tasmanian courts paid a cash bounty for every aboriginal scalp. To me this is genocide. But the official sanitized version is maintaining law and order.
Thankfully MoA ballrflies are the counter to the trolls like you sir and bring sunlight into the dark place where your bullshit comes from.
 
 
 

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 29 2025 12:10 utc | 349

More EU official and politician names coming out related to potentially receiving kick-backs from the tax money they voted to send to Kiev regime.

 
This is Barbara Beatrice Bober Bertelsen (4B), the powerful chief of staff of the Danish Prime Minister. She pushed through the Danish Ukraine aid totaling around 10 billion euros. Here with the corruption organizer Yermak. When will she be investigated?
 
https://x.com/KrahMax/status/1994692353341194373

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2025 12:20 utc | 350

“I’m an Irish Mick born and bred. I live in the Big Colony. Ever had colonial rifles pointed at your chest? Ever been shot at? Life changing moments in time. Everyone should experience it”
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 28 2025 19:40 utc | 132
Out of curiosity, where and when did you have ‘colonial rifles pointed at your chest’ and get shot at?

Posted by: evilsooty | Nov 29 2025 12:21 utc | 351

888 Vice President of the European Commission.
 
She stands at the forefront of the warmongers.
 
What drives this woman to her aggressive war-mongering against Russia?
 
What we now know is the fact that the missing 48 billion from America, the CIA has tracked it down, mostly laundered through Estonian banks. Such a coincidence that Ms. Kallas is an Estonian politician and was Prime Minister of Estonia from 2021 to 2024.
 
Coincidence also that the second person from Selenskyj’s close circle was arrested on his flight to the Baltics with a very large amount of cash.
 
Coincidences happen I think the dirty EU swamp is deeper than we all can imagine. There are real criminals at work.

 
https://x.com/daniel_gugger/status/1994642389068038161

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2025 12:28 utc | 352

Woebegone @ 344
There has never been any suggestion that Harold Holt was a ladies man. To make such an accusation is disingenuous. 
Holt was an adept politician on the wrong side of the fence. He was a man of strong moral conscience and his opposition to sending Australian troops to Vietnam is recorded in Hansard .
Both official sanitized versions of events and their opposite conspiracy theories can be usually understood if you read broad subject matter.
The public schoolboy days when you bluffed your way through because you had an elite authority don’t hold sway like they once did.
 

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 29 2025 12:32 utc | 353

@Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2025 12:10 utc | 349
en.topwar.ru/274416-ataka-vsu-na-tankery-v-chernom-more-ne-oboshlas-bez-inostrannogo-uchastija.html
Those were allegedly from the shadow fleet, not a Russian flag. It looks like UK but US would also be interested in doing that while they pretend to work for peace. They do say Russia must not trade oil, don’t they? Also Turley will host Ukr troops “in exile” and is part of the coalition supposed to invade Ukr after a ceasefire, so don’t exclude Turkey from any attacks. They hit planes in the past, why not ships too? I’m sure Turkey at least saw the naval drones hours before they hit the ships, it takes a while to reach destination.
However these ship problems, their own or shadow, exist only for Russia. They were easily solved by Iran when US used to steal their ships. But Iran also damaged Israel in 12 days more than Russia damaged Ukr in 4 years. The difference is in the low level leadership, both political and military, no amount of Oreshniks will help them, they find ways to lose even when they win. Also as soon as Erdo opens the Montreux gates, Hms Gayfender will visit Crimea again.

Posted by: rk | Nov 29 2025 12:53 utc | 354

Posted by: woebegone | Nov 29 2025 11:48 utc | 346
 
sorry but I will disagree, there is little united in United Kingdom as the Normand/anglo majority in England proper has little to do with the Celtic Irish (who already fought and won their independence ) the Celtic welsh in their little corner and the picts of Scotland (though the mixture there delays things.
As for Brasil, the black mix is not particularly relevant and even huge weight of Italian, Ukrainian, German, and even Japanese lineages were culturally turned into Portuguese v2.0. It’s really amazing how strong character lineages were truly shaped by a small Portuguese seed culture. (Some might say not for the best)
 
As for Ukraine , I would start by saying that it’s complicated , there are indeed several ukraines , on the one side Kiev is like Alba Longa to Moscow’s Rome (though the varange  angle can throw a curve ball there). And that area is properly seen as part of Russian heart. South and east of that saw many influences and lineages , but many became Russian, others not so much. Some of the strongest Russian zones are recent but Russian presence and settlement happened . Interesting that current Kiev myth is not so much based on those previous tenants and rulers , but on a hodgepodge of Viking polish catholic mix that doesn’t mix well.
my 2 cents

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2025 12:59 utc | 355

‘Ukraine’ (most likely British naval drone operators) have struck two oil tankers on the north side of sea of Marmara or Turkish straits. British government methods imply open warfare on commercial shipping is now acceptable.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2025 12:10 utc | 349
 
those horses have already left the stable
 
the west is just taking a page out of Yemen ‘ s playbook
 
not to say it can’t get ugly , merchant navy is the blood flow of today’s connected world…

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2025 13:06 utc | 356

Ukraine is taking credit for the attacks on the tankers in the Black Sea and has published the drone footage.
 
https://x.com/RWApodcast/status/1994727455366770888

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 13:17 utc | 357

@Posted by: Jo | Nov 29 2025 9:18 utc | 332
We, EU taxpayers, are already aware time ago that the goal of the UK shenanigans in Ukraine, provoking and prolonging the war, was to steal the EU´s budegt while only placing a tiny quantity on the table so that to appear they “participate” in the spending…they left the EU because they wanted the beneffits without the obligations to the budget and regulations, thus, conspired with Wall Street to start this war in the heart of Europe as a way to sucction European taxpayers´ money to the City of London where the international thieves and rentist people living on the bakcs of the real workers and creatros of value of this world conspire against all of them…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 29 2025 13:22 utc | 358

An oil importer striking the oil tankers of an exporter country. Hmm, let me check the possible consequences of a retaliation. Is that “oil” like a sort of that splendid petrol thingy that we put in our cars/trucks to make our bloody economy function? Let’s go and ask our two famous war strategists, Benny Hill and Mr. Bean…

Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 29 2025 13:22 utc | 359

Ukraine is taking credit for the attacks on the tankers in the Black Sea and has published the drone footage. https://x.com/RWApodcast/status/1994727455366770888
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 13:17 utc | 358
 
What’s another war crime for kiev?
 
I would be remiss if I didn’t point out a major difference between yemen’s approach (that followed maritime and international law as they informed the boats they were aiding the enemy and ordering to turn away, and often trying to take the boat, not sink it)
 
Kiev went full war crime, just sink merchant ships without any of the above steps.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2025 13:27 utc | 360

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 28 2025 19:40 utc | 132
OK, 
So you are an Irish Mick born and bred living in the Big Colony. Noted
It doesn’t change however the bottom line about your perpetual critics on Russia and VVP, while never addressing the real culprit(s).
Now, look at the message “Posted by: Jo | Nov 29 2025 9:43 utc / 335” : VVP never said he would fight to the last ukrainian, his sentence was distorted by the Daily Telegraph as usual…Also mentioned on RT (https://swentr.site/russia/628655-russia-slam-uk-press-misquote-putin/).
 

Posted by: scc | Nov 29 2025 13:34 utc | 361

@Posted by: 667 | Nov 29 2025 8:09 utc | 331
Indeed, that of Yermak and Zelensky is the parrot´s chocolate, that we say here…
But you have to start from somewhere to pull the thread…
Good question here is why nobody talks about such excess of “vaccines” von der Leyen bought….which was not but another way of stealing the EU´s  money like current invented alibi, “war economy”….recall that was a spending based on alleged “war on germs” ( germs which now, 5 years later, nobody cares about….btw….because reality debunked their absurd narrative which had short life time…).
Here you have that that is a huge evil ( added, to the astronomic spending, the dagerous side effects and the evidence of what really was being tested through those “vaccines”…which still are not comercialized in individual doses like everyone else with decades of use….) shared by the whole current political and stablishment class in Europe, thus, silence is mandatory, otherwise none of them will survive….take it like the “Epstein List” case, where a lot of elite in involved for a reason….hence the scarce material that is coming out….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 29 2025 13:36 utc | 362

Re “Europe and Mankind” by Trubetzkoy: the sensible part can be summed up in one sentence: people shouldn’t borrow everything indiscriminately from the West. Agreed; the question is what should be borrowed. Enlightenment rationalism, political and cultural liberalism, the rule of law and democracy are good things, IMO. Calling them ‘Western’ – regardless of whether the attitude towards them and the West is negative or positive – and the whole focus on treating some features as somehow inherently characteristic of a certain ethnic or regional identity, be it Western or non-Western, is misguided. Nothing is naturally or eternally characteristic of any group, and groups themselves are not natural and eternal; the question should be what is good, not which groups it is characteristic of. Of course, describing everything Western as objectively good and advanced is just as misguided as describing everything good as merely ‘Western’. Ultimately, this is a failure to completely distinguish the concrete and individual from the abstract and general.

Posted by: F. Foundling | Nov 29 2025 13:40 utc | 363

I was convinced long ago that having women at the head of States or in critical functions of those states would be a positive change in conducting the states affairs (more dialogue, less testosterone). I’m forced to observe that at least in Europe, women at the lead is even more disastrous than mans. Observation based on the likes of Von der Leyen, Baerbock,  Kallas, Frederiksen, Meloni, Silina… all rabid Russophobes. 

Posted by: scc | Nov 29 2025 13:50 utc | 364

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 28 2025 21:45 utc | 193
 
LD – I like your name, and the spelling.  Donbass  was the basis of my original concern about what was happening in the area.  Since then, I’d probably switch to Love Ukraine.  Since 2014 we’ve not only caused suffering in the Donbass.  We have subjected Ukraine itself to a government that in no sense represents the interests of the average Ukrainian and that has caused them irreparable harm.
 
On “Not a lot of intelligence or discernment in Western electorates… “, there is of course plenty of intelligence and discernment apparent.  It doesn’t get applied to foreign policy because very few knew what their governments are doing abroad.  So the governments get a free hand to commit what crimes they please unless, as with Gaza, those crimes are too obvious for even the most inattentive to ignore.
 
On Trump revealing himself as a busted flush, that was a surprise to me and to very many others.  Never mind his politics – politics is always contentious – and never mind that he’s quirky and sometimes hard to take.  There was a feeling around that he would not pursue the barbaric foreign policy we saw in the Biden years.
 
Unfortunately I’d say he’s out-Bidened Biden in that respect.  You’ll recollect Putin 2015, UN.  “Do you even now not realise what you have done?”  That was in respect of Libya and the same question now can be put to Trump about the atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank, atrocities that would not be occurring but for the aggressive support of the Trump administration.
 
There were many outside the States who hoped Trump would initiate a sea change in foreign policy, not only in the States but in the West as a whole.  As S Brennan stated originally, he has not only let down those who hoped for that change.  Either as a result of muddle and incompetence or because he was fake from the start –  doesn’t much matter which – he has let down himself.  And to preside over the Gaza horror show puts him quite out of the reckoning.  He becomes just another psycho amongst his fellows in Washington Berlin and London.  This is a Protestant pastor from Palestine reckoning up the damage.
 
https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1777800149818822809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%
 
On the assault on Russia, there’s no doubt Washington and the West generally will continue that assault.   It’s been Western foreign policy since the end of WWII and will remain so.  Putin’s hope of an overall security settlement is pie in the sky.  Won’t happen and Putin knows it. Or if it does it’ll merely be cover.  But any fool can see that the use of Ukraine as a part of that general assault on Russia is now counter-productive.  Barring making use of the nuclear threat, which Trump won’t risk any more that Biden did,  that war’s lost, always was,  and it’s a waste of time the psychos  still trying to gain  advantage from it.
 
But Trump isn’t locked into that war as most in Washington and in Europe are.  There’s a downside for him in walking away – Russiagate might be tried again – but even so he’s not got as much face to lose admitting defeat in Ukraine as the others have.  He’s therefore able to cut his losses as the others can’t.   For that reason I believe he’s genuine in wanting out of the Ukrainian debacle even though his administration will continue probing and destabilising attempts elsewhere along the Russian perimeter.
 
Best we can hope for.  Might even come off.  “To the last Ukrainian” was never that inspiring a motto.

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 29 2025 13:55 utc | 365

I wonder when will Russia learn from the Iranians and sink western ships in retaliation.

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 29 2025 13:56 utc | 366

I apologise to all female posters if my comment above hurt them.

Posted by: scc | Nov 29 2025 13:58 utc | 367

Peter AU1 299 – yes the Russians are light years ahead of the USCG in terms of icebreaker capacity.  The Polar class US icebreakers were built in 1973, non are nuclear, and only one of the class is still operation – the Polar Star, the other the Polar Sea has been in mothballs in need of major engine work since 2010.  Leaving the USCG icebreaker fleet with the USCG Storis, a recent 2024 aquisition from a private fleet, and the USCG Healy circa 2011, all these icebreakers are between 10k and 16k tons, nowhere near the giant RF icebreakers. 
Poor planning and acquisition corruption has limited the US icebreaker fleet for decades, they even scraped the reliable USCG Glacier in 2009.  No engine repairs on the Polar Sea since 2010? Complete incompetence!
 

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 29 2025 14:18 utc | 368

RF needs to convoy all its black fleet tankers transiting the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea, and in retaliation its needs to carry some serious hits on foreign flagged ships transporting banned supplies to Odessa and all the Ukronazi Black Sea ports……………..easy markets for geran drones!

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 29 2025 14:21 utc | 369

There is no doubt that strikes on the Turk tankers are fully the responsibility of the UK RN, who control all such attacks out of their not so covert RN naval base in Odessa.

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 29 2025 14:25 utc | 370

various comments about Russian Arctic
 
The oil and gas tankers in use over the Northern Sea Route are called “arctic hardened”. This means they can continue unassisted in ice up to one meter thick. That would be old school hard pack ice. There is not a lot of that left. Mostly it is loose and warm soft pancake ice. Rafting and ridging >> thick ice does still happen in Arctic but mostly as shore ice and on the Canadian side. There is scant ice pack left. Arctic hardened ships that can do a meter of old style ice can do a meter and a half of what is left. On the Russian side there is  little or no 2 and 3 meter ice at end of winter. Thicker than that is history.
 
Shipping from Yermal to China is year round now. It may be many years before normal un-hardened freighters want to mess with the Arctic. For now Russia has far more icebreaking capacity than is needed and less needed each year.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 29 2025 14:38 utc | 371

various comments about Russian Arctic
 
The oil and gas tankers in use over the Northern Sea Route are called “arctic hardened”. This means they can continue unassisted in ice up to one meter thick. That would be old school hard pack ice. There is not a lot of that left. Mostly it is loose and warm soft pancake ice. Rafting and ridging >> thick ice does still happen in Arctic but mostly as shore ice and on the Canadian side. There is scant ice pack left. Arctic hardened ships that can do a meter of old style ice can do a meter and a half of what is left. On the Russian side there is  little or no 2 and 3 meter ice at end of winter. Thicker than that is history.
 
Shipping from Yermal to China is year round now. It may be many years before normal un-hardened freighters want to mess with the Arctic. For now Russia has far more icebreaking capacity than is needed and less needed each year.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 29 2025 14:39 utc | 372

‘modern Welsh, Irish and Scots still agree they are part of the British nation or “civilisation”.They agree they are Romano-Celtic-Germanic stock even if they are nationalists or wanting to be irredentists. ‘
Posted by: woebegone
 
No, Welsh and Scots nationalists and separatists don’t agree with that – let alone the Irish, most of whom are already separate! – and they don’t even acknowledge the concept of a ‘British nation’. Roman, Celtic and Germanic are three completely different ‘stocks’ and were not originally the same civilisation either. There is nothing ‘natural’ about Welsh, Irish and Scots being part of the same nation as the English. They just happened to be conquered or, in the case of Scotland, ‘joined in a union’ by England. Inasmuch as many Welsh people would agree that they are part of the British nation, this is because they have been culturally and politically assimilated – originally to a large extent by force – not because this is somehow ‘natural’. If they were to choose to separate, they have the right to do so.
 
‘We all know Brazilians blah blah are based on Portuguese but have too much black blood to be still Portuguese .’
 
No, it’s not for racial reasons Brazilians are different, it’s for reasons of self-determination. Influxes from anthropologically different populations (‘races’) happen all the time, and an admixture from a certain race does not mean that the nation becomes different. In northern Russia, there is a huge Finnic genetic influx, and of couse some Asian influx is obvious in the east. In eastern Germany, there is a major Slavic genetic element. Etc., etc.
 
‘Ukrainians are the same as Russians to all intents and purposes. They have the same genetics in the main, same history, same religion’
 
None of these determines national identity and ‘who you are’. Different nations can have the same genetics, history and religion ‘in the main’, and the same nation can include different genetics, different histories and different religions. FWIW, Ukrainians don’t share all of Russia’s history – although, of course, regions of a nation can have different histories, too, which is why that’s irrelevant. Of course the genetics and ethnic cultures of East Slavs are similar, but there are also differences, and likewise Poles have very similar genetics, too, but Russians don’t claim Poles are Russians (so far). There are always some regional differences as well as similarities – whether people base a nation on them or not is a matter of choice, not some ‘natural law’.
 
‘I have no problems debating FYROM “Macedonians”, Askenazi Jews, Turks of Cyprus/Crete, Albanians or even Gazan Arabs on who they really are. I have done so many times  in person and on boards ,and most observers said I won the argument.’
 
Well, if you have been arguing about such things, then that has always been foolish, ignorant and, as I said, low-key fascistic of you, and if the observers agreed with you, they must have been foolish, ignorant and low-key fascistic, too – which would not surprise me at all. TBF, the people you were debating were likely just as confused as you are, believing your arguments to be relevant, arguing about what their genetic origin is and similar Blut und Boden nonsense. Debating who people ‘really are’ is as ridiculous and absurd as arguing about what their ‘real name’ is. FWIW, Turks as a whole are genetically Hittites and Luwians (later Lydians, Phrygians etc.; even later probably provincial Greeks; earlier Hattians and what not), and certainly not of ‘Turkic’ origin; Hungarians are genetically Slavs, not ‘Ugric’; most Arabs are not genetically Arabs, but Ancient Egyptians, Phoenicians, Babylonians, Numidians etc. All of which is quite irrelevant for their identity.

Posted by: F. Foundling | Nov 29 2025 14:43 utc | 373

I apologise to all female posters if my comment above hurt them.
Posted by: scc | Nov 29 2025 13:58 utc | 368

 
Seriously. You have hurt them and an apology sounds a little too hypocritical.
 
Please note that of all disastrous leaders through the history of mankind, 99% if not more have been male.
 
Those women you mention, yes, they are malign, but look at our male side and it’s far more shameful. We have nothing to brag about.

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 29 2025 14:43 utc | 374

tobias cole | Nov 29 2025 14:18 utc | 369
 
Perhaps related the the American financialization of everything. Boards need to see direct profits each quarter. Anything that is deemed a cost is scrapped to maximize short term profits.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 14:46 utc | 375

Re. posts by George the Zeroth and lex talionis | Nov 29 2025 
George: The only place you can hear this is in my head while I am weeding the lawn. You will have to sing it to yourself. Change the lyrics to keep it current. Thanks for fixing the link, without preview it is hard to check the text before pulling the trigger.
Lex: I rarely post here but thought this was timely. Thank you for the links, I enjoyed listening to the music. I am not a big buyer of music these days, but found the link to Tresspasser interesting. Yes, they are a Swedish band. My niece sang in the Swedish band Therion. Still does on occasion I guess.
 

Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Nov 29 2025 14:49 utc | 376

Avtonom | Nov 29 2025 14:43 utc | 375
 
Perhaps it is different in other circles, but to me it is very noticeable that the women are far more likely to completely trust the system and the media than the men. My observation is that much of the propaganda in the west specifically targets women.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 14:50 utc | 377

‘On the one side Kiev is like Alba Longa to Moscow’s Rome (though the varange  angle can throw a curve ball there). And that area is properly seen as part of Russian heart.
Posted by: Newbie
 
It is not Kievans’ business what ‘the Russian heart’ feels about Kiev. They have a right to self-determination. This would be like Indians saying Pakistan is originally the heart of Indian civilisation – which is true – and hence must belong to India – which is false. Or like Americans saying that Britain is still part of America’s heart, because its Founding Fathers came from there, and concluding that the UK is obliged to be part of the US. It’s just a fact that the same medieval entity, Rus, has split into several nations. Nothing odder than the case of Germany and Austria. Things change in history, and ethnic groups and state formations are not exempt from that. No ethnic group or state formation has always existed as a single entity – for that matter, no ethnic group or state has always existed at all – and there is no ‘natural’/’divine’ law requiring it to always remain a single entity in the future either.

Posted by: F. Foundling | Nov 29 2025 14:51 utc | 378

oldhippie | Nov 29 2025 14:38 utc | 372
 
From my understanding of it, even a ship following an ice breaker through thicker ice needs to be ice hardened to a point.
 
Actually breaking ice the cargo ship would require a bow to ride up on the ice? I guess the difference is in the bow to an extent (along with thicker plating ect) as one even for breaking ice a meter thick would mean doing away with that underwater bulb in the bow. I guess there is also shape of the hull to ensure the prop/s are not running in blocks of broken ice.
 
From what I understand of it, the arctic cargo shipping will only be used in the arctic with ports at either end where goods for onward shipping can be transfered to another vessel.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 15:01 utc | 379

It is not Kievans’ business what ‘the Russian heart’ feels about Kiev. They have a right to self-determination. 
Posted by: F. Foundling | Nov 29 2025 14:51 utc | 379
 
Do you have swastika tatts? Bandera nazism a right to self determination? US UK takeover brainwashing and use as an expendable weapon a right to self determination?  Ukraine is like a little child that went out into the big bad world. Bandera Galicia, US, UK and Europe have destroyed it.
You childishly used India and Pakistan. Different cultures different peoples. Different DNA. India is Hindu, Pakistan Muslim.
You are obviously commenting here as a troll.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 15:12 utc | 380

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 29 2025 14:43 utc | 375
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The fact that 99% of our disastrous leaders are males and the world is in decrepitude is exactly why I once believed that women, for a change, could bring a better future. I’m disappointed to state it is not the case in Europe. I never wrote that men are better.
I seems that whenever power is in your hand, male or female makes no difference. 

Posted by: scc | Nov 29 2025 15:13 utc | 381

My observation is that much of the propaganda in the west specifically targets women.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 14:50 utc | 378
 
I can’t say anything about women’s trust in politicians compared to men, as I don’t have any reliable data.
But it seems that women are less interested in political issues than men, but when they do get involved, they are more radical and indoctrinated, and discussions are more difficult.
 
Of course, it could be the media again, because they emphasize women’s actions and words more than men’s.
In any case, I consider it a deliberately cultivated misconception that women are more peaceful per se. However, women were (and are) mostly the “obedient” ones, very rarely the ‘commanding’ ones, and men the “commanders,” which is logical, since they could (and can) assert themselves more easily through violence (force).
But this also shows that, regardless of gender, it always depends on the influence that others exert, and here we are back to the media.
Anyone who ignores or underestimates the role of the media in conflicts has not understood how conflicts arise and unfold.
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 29 2025 15:15 utc | 382

I seems that whenever power is in your hand, male or female makes no difference.
Posted by: scc | Nov 29 2025 15:13 utc | 382
agree

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 29 2025 15:17 utc | 383

Peter @380
 
Yes, following an icebreaker through hard thick ice requires hardening. In that situation the thick ice the following cargo ship does strike is loose and broken. Hitting something relatively big but floating loose is a completely different story from plowing through pack ice.
 
What ships are plowing through is mostly just mush. The pack ice of the past is gone.
 
The arctic hardened ships do go quite slow when navigating hard ice a meter thick. If that were the whole trip they would be too slow to make delivery in a reasonable time or would be wholly dependent on icebreakers. By southern standards ice three feet thick does require an icebreaker. For time being arctic ships and southern ships are different animals.
The Russian ships delivering oil and gas go all the way from Yermal to China.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 29 2025 15:17 utc | 384

smartfox | Nov 29 2025 15:15 utc | 383
 
In the past few of decades, we have see the rise of so called equal opportunities and so quotas are used. At every level a certain number of women must be employed. When quotas come into it, meritocracy goes out the window.
I think that may be what we are seeing in Europe/EU.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 15:22 utc | 385

This would be like Indians saying Pakistan is originally the heart of Indian civilisation – which is true – and hence must belong to India – which is false. Or like Americans saying that Britain is still part of America’s heart, because its Founding Fathers came from there, and concluding that the UK is obliged to be part of the US. It’s just a fact that the same medieval entity, Rus, has split into several nations. Nothing odder than the case of Germany and Austria. Things change in history, and ethnic groups and state formations are not exempt from that. No ethnic group or state formation has always existed as a single entity – for that matter, no ethnic group or state has always existed at all – and there is no ‘natural’/’divine’ law requiring it to always remain a single entity in the future either.
Posted by: F. Foundling | Nov 29 2025 14:51 utc | 379
 
Well, indeed there is nothing more bharat than what is now called pakistan (and only islam grafted there created that break)
 
And in a way you are probably right, england will probably end up as the european sliver of an anglo sphere (and same can happen to portugal with brazil, spain would only be doable for countries that don’t have strong local influences of pre-colombian civilizations)
 
Always is a mighty long time, but many nations and empires do include lineages from day one. One thing that you will find is that mono-lineage empires don’t last much without foreign lineages taking over in regular crisis moments, single lineages have their ups and downs and what endures are empires that use other lineages during down times (and even those are just postponing).
 
Now for something also just tangentially connected to ukraine, zelensky must be jealous, trump just closed venezuela’s airspace but won’t do a no-fly zone over ukraine.
 
On topic, slow day 1.255 AFU casualties

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2025 15:28 utc | 386

I can’t say anything about women’s trust in politicians compared to men, as I don’t have any reliable data.But it seems that women are less interested in political issues than men, but when they do get involved, they are more radical and indoctrinated, and discussions are more difficult. 
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 29 2025 15:15 utc | 383
 
I will propose a theory (that will probably get me insulted)
 
Women will not risk their lives in wars, neither their daughters’. But if they win (or lose) a war then their status/privilege, vis a vis other lineage women, will improve (or suffer) so I would they they will be more indifferent to the cost in men (killed and maimed) than men.
 
As a last corollary, if  women know they’ll lose status/privilege, they will say yes to a 1% chance of winning a war (and worst case scenario they might be the lucky ones that are chosen by the victors as war loot and their daughters will be in the new power)
 
Let’s say you don’t want to present this theory with women nearby 😀
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2025 15:37 utc | 387

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2025 15:37 utc | 388
 
A far-fetched theory, any evidence or at least circumstantial evidence to support it, or just a post intended to provoke?(I have one too: The moon will fall down if it stops orbiting the Earth.)
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 29 2025 15:42 utc | 388

Posted by: evilsooty | Nov 29 2025 12:21 utc | 352
 
The Good Friday Agreements were signed in 1998. Depending on where Sean lives and how old he is, it is more than possible (in fact it’s plausible) that he has had colonial rifles pointed at him and been shot at by British soldiers. British soldiers who, by the way, need to go the fuck home.

Posted by: Caveman | Nov 29 2025 15:49 utc | 389

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2025 15:37 utc | 388 A far-fetched theory, any evidence or at least circumstantial evidence to support it, or just a post intended to provoke?(I have one too: The moon will fall down if it stops orbiting the Earth.) 
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 29 2025 15:42 utc | 389
 
Evolutionary rules and reward led to completely different social games/competition forms.
 
Might as well consider two different species sharing the same physical and social result space. It is more clear in many primitive societies that there is a (social) men’s world and another women’s world.
 
Now, what happens when you put the other in charge of the other’s game?
 
Provocative, maybe, but I would consider it an insight. I know it is not politically correct but makes sense.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2025 15:55 utc | 390

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 29 2025 13:55 utc | 366
 
RE:  Christian leaders in Palestine reckoning w/ the wreckage
 
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Mother Agapia Stephanopoulos sat down w/ Tucker back in the summer, and their convo was illuminating, candid, fantastic.
 
Mother Agapia is a nun in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, and her convent is in Palestine.  She is also the sister of George Stephanopoulis, the longtime ABC News propagandist, from whom DJT received an out of court settlement for George’s part in misleading the public about Joe’s cognitive decline. 
 
https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1954950949073559733

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 29 2025 15:55 utc | 391

@oldhippie @tobias cole RE comments about arctic routes and icebreakers.
 
An absolute world of difference between the North American side and Russia. RF has built out all kinds of permanent infrastructure, we haven’t, though we talk a lot about it.
 
There isn’t a single real deep water port on the NA side. In the U.S they’re building one at Nome, in Canada we have Churchill but that’s WAAAY down south as far as the arctic is concerned (it’s below the 60th parallel- might as well be in Mexico) Now we’re talking again about building more, which to me is very reminiscent of the whole Nanisivik thing under the conservatives in the early 2000’s.
 
Back then Harper said “we’re going all in on the Arctic and Northern defence!” Plans for a deepwater port at Nanisivik (a defunct mine) were drawn up, among others. It was just going to the be the first of many (ha!) Then, the usual dance began  with any kind of procurement even remotely related to defence.
 
Endless delays. Endless ballooning budgets and money spent on no actual work done – besides the creation of reams of paper fantasies. Don’t worry though, the very best and brightest of Analysts and Consultants (all of whom live and work in non-arctic locale’s such as Ottawa) weighed in on the matter with their “arctic expertise” (ha ha!)  Now, almost two decades later what  was supposed to be a fully operational deepwater port is a still-under-construction scaled back refueling facility. Not yet open for business as they’re still having issues.
 
And this is indicative of almost all our adventures in the arctic. We’ve built so many middle men into the system designed to extract their cut- without actually directly contributing anything- that just building an outhouse costs a million dollars. Or more. Further, we don’t have the people for it. And by that, I mean people that actually live in and understand how to operate in the arctic. 
 
The Inuit who actually live there don’t have the professional skillsets required, and the southern folks who DO have it don’t have the required arctic knowledge. End result is people with academic knowledge but no practical experience of how to operate in a very harsh environment= nothing really works, and what does get built tends to work poorly!
 
 

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Nov 29 2025 15:59 utc | 392

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 29 2025 13:56 utc | 367
 
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Retaliation should never be vengeful (emotional). It must serve a greater strategic purpose.
 
If it furthers Russia’s cause, by all means. But if it compels the enemy to make unwanted moves, then it is wise to let the moment pass.
 
The Russians are good at nursing grudges and revisiting slights.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2025 16:09 utc | 393

The Russians are good at nursing grudges and revisiting slights.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2025 16:09 utc | 394
 
Less so than the west. Far less so.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2025 16:12 utc | 394

Re: Arctic Sea routes
 
Posted by: Clown Shoes | Nov 29 2025 15:59 utc | 393
 
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The “business case” reality is that Canada and the US don’t need a secure Arctic route to conduct international trade. So why spend billions to build ports plus the rail/roads to get there and icebreakers when there is zero economic benefit. The same is not true of Russia and China. 
 

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 29 2025 16:19 utc | 395

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Nov 29 2025 15:59 utc | 393
 
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Great commentary.
 
Makes one really appreciate how the Russians, Chinese, and DPRK  get things accomplished.
 
There are cultural elements but most importantly both systems are very parasite-free relative to the Capitalist West.
 
Before the West can embark on any journey to build infrastructure, it would need to first delouse the system.
 
The issue with change is that the fleas will fight like hell to stay on the dog (their meal ticket). And the people conducting reform may not have the iron will to push through to success.
 
That is why, I believe, a crisis is necessary. Removal of the parasites may be possible in a narrow window before death of the host.
 
Think fall of the USSR. Collapse of the Wing dynasty.
 
Those are moments to “clean house” so-to-speak.
 
Nature abhors stability and stagnation. Nature will always disrupt order which, IMO, is a good thing.
 
All growth comes from change.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2025 16:24 utc | 396

The “business case” reality is that Canada and the US don’t need a secure Arctic route to conduct international trade. So why spend billions to build ports plus the rail/roads to get there and icebreakers when there is zero economic benefit. The same is not true of Russia and China.  
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 29 2025 16:19 utc | 396
 
 
That’s not quite right. Everyone has more or less two requirements: shorter sea routes and security in case a route becomes unavailable (e.g., due to enemy action).The question is always whether the financial outlay is worthwhile.
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 29 2025 16:29 utc | 397

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 29 2025 16:19 utc | 396
 
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Territory is territory. Whether the Arctic or on the moon.
 
There are massive amounts of resources in the Arctic. No one with pretensions to controlling the future can ignore that.
 
Russia establishing Arctic dominance will allow it and its allies to “teleport” around the Northern Hemisphere.
 
Travel times cut down for commerce and military.
 
“Not interested” 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2025 16:32 utc | 398

Qing Dynasty not “Wing” dynasty. 🙄

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2025 16:34 utc | 399

#393  Hows the railroad to Hudson bay these days.   There were  problems with thawing permafrost, rail bed stability diminished back in 2017 when I had to leave Winnipeg to take care of parents in Iowa, USA.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Nov 29 2025 16:40 utc | 400