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November 28, 2025
Ukraine Rejects Trump’s Peace Plan – U.S. Reacts To Its Defiance

After rejecting a plan that would see Ukraine concede territory to Russia its leadership has come under new pressure.

Trump’s 28-point Ukraine plan, leaked by former U.S. envoy to Ukraine Keith Kellogg, was an attempt to shut the war down – at least for now. The European dimwits, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and the Ukrainian ruler managed to sabotage it:

One camp, including Vance, special envoy Steve Witkoff and other officials, views Ukraine as the primary obstacle to peace and favors using U.S. leverage to force Kyiv to make major compromises, according to multiple current and former officials.

The other camp, represented by Rubio and other officials, sees Russia as the culprit for having launched an unprovoked invasion of its neighbor and says Moscow will relent only if it pays a price for its aggression through sanctions and other pressure.

With his deputies vying for his attention along with Republican lawmakers and European leaders, President Donald Trump has veered back and forth on how to resolve the conflict.

While the 28-point plan included several points Russia could not agree to (like a 600,000 strong Ukrainian army), it also included significant concession Ukraine would have to make. It could have been the base for further discussions with Russia. But Rubio allowed the Ukrainians to shrink the plan down to 19 points by taking out any Ukrainian concessions while adding erroneous demands (a 800,000 strong Ukrainian army) which are unacceptable to Russia.

Trump is, as usual, behaving like a weathervane unable or unwilling to force his will on the opponents of his plan.

The Ukrainian army is collapsing. Pokrovsk had been enveloped and occupied a week ago. But Zelenski and others kept claimed that the Ukrainian was winning that battle. As the army breaks down and its soldiers flee from their positions (in Russian) other cities, like Huleipole and Siversk, will soon fall too.

There is no way for Ukraine to win the war. The longer the war takes the more will be lost for Ukraine.

The utter delusion behind the rejection of Trump’s 28 point plan was demonstrated by the European High Representative for Foreign Affairs Katja Kallas:

“We still need to get from a situation where Russia pretends to negotiate to a situation where they need to negotiate”

Sure. And how are going to get there? After 19 rounds of EU sanction on Russia the 20th package will certainly take care of it?

During the latest round of negotiations the acting president of Ukraine Vladimir Zelenski had named the chief of his office Andrei Yermak and the Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council Rustem Umerov as negotiators.
This was widely seen as an attempt to protect both persons from prosecution for their involvement in a recent case of large scale corruption.

Yermak admitted as much when he called up Simon Shuster at The Atlantic to put an end to the current round of negotiations:

Volodymyr Zelensky, in the next phase of talks to end the war in Ukraine, intends to draw a red line at the most contentious issue on the table: the Russian demand for Ukraine’s sovereign territory. As long as he remains the nation’s president, Zelensky will not agree to give up land in exchange for peace, Ukraine’s chief negotiator, Andriy Yermak, told me today in an exclusive interview.

“Not a single sane person today would sign a document to give up territory,” said Yermak, who has served as Zelensky’s chief of staff, lead negotiator, and closest aide throughout the full-scale war with Russia.

“As long as Zelensky is president, no one should count on us giving up territory. He will not sign away territory,” he told me by telephone from Kyiv. “The constitution prohibits this. Nobody can do that unless they want to go against the Ukrainian constitution and the Ukrainian people.”

Russia will ignore such nonsense and take by force whatever territory it thinks it needs. Further down Yermak explains to Shuster why he was tasked with negotiations:

In our interview, Yermak responded at length for the first time to the investigation and the resulting calls for him to step aside. “The pressure is enormous,” he told me. “The case is fairly loud, and there needs to be an objective and independent investigation without political influence.”

By appointing him to lead Ukraine’s negotiating team despite the scandal, Zelensky made clear to the people of Ukraine that Yermak continues to enjoy his trust, he said. The people of Ukraine “see that I have been beside the president all these years during all the most difficult, tragic, and dangerous moments,” Yermak said. “He trusted me with these negotiations that will decide the fate of our country. And if people support the president, that should answer all their questions.”

Ukraine has now officially rejected the core element – land for peace – of Trump’s plan. The U.S. immediately responded to this open defiance. Today, by using its control over the Ukrainian National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU) and various ‘nationalist’ and fascist media in Ukraine, it hit back at Yermak:

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU) and the Specialised Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office (SAPO) are conducting searches at the office of Andrii Yermak, Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, in the government district on the morning of 28 November.

Source: Ukrainska Pravda journalist at the scene

Details: Ukrainska Pravda journalists managed to record around 10 employees from NABU and SAPO entering the government district.

The independent Ukrainian outlet Strana summarizes the political background of this action (machine translation):

Observers drew attention to the fact that the searches began just before the visit of US Army Secretary Daniel Driscoll, a representative of Donald Trump, to Kiev. According to a popular version, he should put pressure on the Ukrainian authorities to agree to concessions under the Trump peace plan, including with regard to the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the Donbass.

And just yesterday, Yermak solemnly proclaimed that as long as Vladimir Zelensky is president, Ukraine will not make territorial concessions.

Therefore, many people in political circles associate the searches of Yermak’s apartment with these events. That is, according to this version, Washington, with the help of NABU, makes it clear to Zelensky that the situation is serious and it’s time to adjust the position on the peace plan.

According to another version, the searches are connected with the long-running line of the “anti-Green coalition” to deprive the president of real power and turn him into the “queen of England” by losing control of the parliamentary majority and the government. One of the central elements of this plan is the dismissal of Yermak, which Zelensky has so far refused to do. But now, apparently, they decided to present him with new arguments in favor of such a step.

I seriously doubt the second explanation though this is not a neither nor situation. NABU is unlikely to act on anything without having a green light from the U.S. ambassador in Kiev.

Zelenski and Yermak will certainly hit back at NABU. A few month ago they had already tried to neuter it but had to retreat under pressure from Washington and Europe. They can use security services under their control -Ukraine’s FBI equivalent SBU –  to arrest and indict NABU official.

The race is on.

Who will be the first to be arrested: Andrei Yermak or the chief investigators of NABU?

Comments

It is finito, stupida Kajsa!

Posted by: The EU Kakistocracy and its ‘wonder’ women | Nov 28 2025 10:05 utc | 1

Before any agreement can be validly concluded, elections and legislative changes are necessary.Not only is Z not legitimate, but also because the Ukrainian constitution excludes territorial transfers.So the process must be 1.) Elections, 2. or 3.) President 3. or 2.) Constitutional amendment 4.) Peace treaty. In that order.Since this process takes a long time, even Witkoff will not be able to bring about change in this direction. Trump should know this. So everything is currently a show for the media and may even serve to justify another performance of “I am disappointed”, with further US deliveries to Ukraine.Since it was reported today that Trump has now sent ground troops to Venezuela, the effect of the Russian presence there seems to have evaporated, meaning another confrontation, possibly even directly between the US and Russia.Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 10:11 utc | 2

The main things from Peskov’s statements: – Putin will hold talks with Orban today after 13:00 Moscow time; – Putin and Orban do not plan an approach to the press after the talks; – The Kremlin will announce the date of Whitkoff’s arrival in Moscow in a timely manner; – Putin’s proposal for a program to re-equip the CSTO forces with Russian weapons was positively received. – The Kremlin highly appreciates and considers constructive interaction with the IAEA. “Experience of cooperation in very difficult conditions in the context of Ukraine.” – There is a constant dialogue and exchange of information, including on the situation around the Zaporizhzhia NPP. – “We know Grossi well. We will approach the situation comprehensively.” – Zelensky has a problem with legitimacy and unwillingness to hold elections in Ukraine, to comply with the constitution, Peskov said. At the same time, he added that everyone has a desire and preference to bring the settlement in Ukraine to a peaceful track.

Posted by: unnamed | Nov 28 2025 10:12 utc | 3

Per “European High Representative for Foreign Affairs Katja Kallas:

“We still need to get from a situation where Russia pretends to negotiate to a situation where they need to negotiate””

Lady, who is “we?” You are sick. Next we have Deep State’s own “Little Marco” wasting our time: “But Rubio allowed the Ukrainians to shrink the plan down to 19 points by taking out any Ukrainian concessions while adding erroneous demands (a 800,000 strong Ukrainian army) which are unacceptable to Russia.”
A joke and an insult to all humanity.

Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 28 2025 10:16 utc | 4

There is a smart way for Ukrainians to get Crimea and Donbass back, and never own a penny of Kiev’s 7-generation Usury Debt : they just become Russians. However, they will need to learn the language and that strange cyrillic alphabet and maybe embrace the orthodox faith. Oh wait.

Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 28 2025 10:19 utc | 5

Who will be the first to be arrested: Andrei Yermak or the chief investigators of NABU?

Posted by b on November 28, 2025 at 09:44 UTC
 

Neither—neither of them.Z is covered by GB, where Trump can’t really do anything either; replacing Yermak won’t help.
Trump must force elections without fraud. Nothing else will work. (If Trump really wants that.)
I recall Trump’s repeated statement, “Let the war decide, we’ll see,” which still seems valid to me. He collects money for arms deliveries to GB and the EU, nothing else.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 10:24 utc | 6

NABU was created and lead by Victoria Nuland. It was originally meant to protect the corruption activities of Biden, Pelosi and other parts of the US political elite. It is now being used as a lever to exert pressure on the Ukrainean regime.
This change in it’s role was reflected by the decommissioning of Nuland, which came as a surprise to me and to many others.
So there are divisions and factions within the US power elite and within the empire. However there is at the same time the continuity of agenda: https://x.com/BrianJBerletic/status/1994300125188096127
 
Reconciling this systems anayltical view, which denies the individual agency of the players, with the psychological view, where we look for motives of individuals and personal causilities, is one of the major challenges of geopolitical analysis.

Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 28 2025 10:34 utc | 7

There is no plan for real negotiations.Trump wants to position himself as a Peace-maker weeks before Ukraine collapses.Trump 1 was fully for a Ukrainian started war, he is deeply implicated.  But after nearly owning it a few months ago he has stepped away and is now the only major political leader of any party in the west that will not be harmed when Ukraine collapses.Putin just wants to talk to Trump about a top level security deal between Russia and US (and thus with Nato).I doubt he has much hope of success but as Russia President he is obliged to try seriously.All talking is good.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Nov 28 2025 10:37 utc | 8

 Searches at Yermak’s location are taking place in the government quarter, writes “UP” and publishes photos from the scene. Anti corruption agency clamps down on THE SECOND MAN in Ukraine.
 

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1994296429070729725

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2025 10:41 utc | 9

There is a smart way for Ukrainians to get Crimea and Donbass back, and never own a penny of Kiev’s 7-generation Usury Debt : they just become Russians. However, they will need to learn the language and that strange cyrillic alphabet and maybe embrace the orthodox faith. Oh wait.
Posted by: Asian Frog

wins the thread in post #5 ! Well done

Posted by: exile | Nov 28 2025 10:51 utc | 10

Katja Kallas is extraordinarily blood thirsty these last couple of weeks. so much hate from her. 

Posted by: exile | Nov 28 2025 10:53 utc | 11

It would be a timely opportunity for Hungary and Slovakia to now oppose next renewal of the sanctions against Russia.

Posted by: scc | Nov 28 2025 10:54 utc | 12

There is no way for Ukraine to win the war. The longer the war takes the more will be lost for Ukraine.

 
The Jewish leadership of the Ukraines is running a hit-and-run business with Western treasure, so while
(1) there are sufficiently large flows of Western treasure from either or both, American and the EU, to bank accounts controled by the Jewish comedian,
(2)  Russia keeps fighting with a strategy that minimizes Russian casualties, and
(3) Russian infantry are far from Kiev,
then
(4) the Jewish leadership of the Ukraines will remain at the ‘hit’ phase of their hit-and-run business (though some of these Jews have already passed to the ‘run’ phase).
The euros and Americans know this of course, but the euros cann’t do much about it but tolerate it, hoping to minimize it with their insertions.
The West had three options, with one already deleted:
(1) Fatman’s 28-point plan, which I qualified as ‘unlikely’,
(2) A fascist military coup in Kiev to (a) hopefully invigorate ukrops into fighting more resolutely and (2) burn males of the upper middle classes and all males 18 to 25, which I’ve qualified as ‘more likely’,
(3) Same as now and wait for the collapse of the Ukrainian state in 2026-2027.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 28 2025 11:00 utc | 13

Sign of the times: the search of Yermak’s home is getting extensive coverage in the UK’s BBC & Guardian newspaper.
Normally, coverage of the Ukraine war consists of 15 reports from Brussels, Oslo, London, etc on entirely irrelevant diplomatic borborygmi, plus one report on how five people wounded by an avalanche of Russian missiles proves that Putin is a genocidal war criminal.
This time the Guardian actually has TWO reporters in Kiev telling us what’s happening. Two years of a Western news blackout on the biggest defeat for Western civilisation since Afghanistan is coming to an end.  

Posted by: geoff chambers | Nov 28 2025 11:01 utc | 14

Simplicious writes that the US scouts Phillipino Merces at 5k/Month for Country 304…Pure MAGA! 🙄

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 28 2025 11:04 utc | 15

No deal? To the last ukranian? RF can oblige (though with the latest october update Putin’s numbers would confirm his september numbers and  imply that MoD includes roughly 1/3 that recover to go  back to the front, hence slightly sub 1.000.000 total permanent loses for the AFU so far which would be a minimalist 2.000.000- standing+volunteers+conscripted minus 1.000.000 permanent loses, minus 300.000+ AWOL , maybe 50.000 mending and  600.000 standing army.).
 
That is not good, even a reduced ukraine should have allowed almost 4 million thrown into the army, my previous models were far deadlier and much bigger inputs and outputs. If true kill ratios of 5x were only at very specific points/moments and half that would seem realistic.
 
Meanwhile went to take a look at DS, no longer km2 (just thousands of km2), no daily values in km2, and OVER 1.3000 km2 of grey!!!! (not to mention much smaller red and grey than others)
 
I still think a decade long truce is in order…
 
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 28 2025 11:04 utc | 16

MP Gomcharenko writes that if NABU seizes Yermak’s phone, every message on it will allow a new criminal case to be opened
 

https://x.com/SenoreAmore/status/1994333904858120597

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2025 11:07 utc | 17

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 28th November 2025: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update

Posted by: The Busker | Nov 28 2025 11:09 utc | 18

17: Shouldnt the NSA have all the Data allready?

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 28 2025 11:11 utc | 19

“There is no way for Ukraine to win the war.”
 
There never was from the first days of trying decade ago.
It was always about destroying the RF.
 
‘utter delusion’ is not the hapless Barbies ‘invention’ she is far too thick to have any thoughts of her own – she didn’t even realise that China and USSR beat the fascist proxies that invaded EurAsia that led to WW2. She was chosen and trained in the role like any other actor in the ZioFascist pantomime. Rutte the ‘tiggerish’ rent boy to Shwab , Shelensky the comedian always high on cocaine , Bozo the clown king of England, Manny the would be sun king of France … all of them including Donald The Trouserless TeeVee celebrity ‘boss’ …m
 
““Not a single sane person today would sign a document to give up territory,” said Yermak, “
 
So what about all the territory that Shelensky, Yermak and the poxy parliamentarians got some ghee over to the Banker Ziolords after the coup and the start of the hostilities against the Donbass? There was NO foreign ownership until then.
That is a decade ago.
 
That is the only concession that flip flop Donny the bare arse wants for the ziobankers.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 28 2025 11:45 utc | 20

In addition to comments by unimperator, it is possible to say that, as for today, NABU and SAPO are being faster than Yermak. Yet, it is quite possible to expect Zelensky protecting Yermak with all tools available and kill NABU attempts. In one side we have NABU and SAPO raiding Yermak´s office in Bankova. In the other side the SBU and PMP are taking action against NABU investigators via MP Khrystenko. (here use web translators from Ukrainian).
According to media, Yermak is called Ali Baba in tapes from the Mindich case. Here we might have US officials trying to pressure NABU to get ahead and European pressures (NABU is no longer financed by the US but by the Europeans) to close the scandal and protect Zelenski. In any case Zelenski’s popularity in Ukraine is falling like a stone.
So, we will see.

Posted by: Ignacio | Nov 28 2025 12:18 utc | 21

Simplicius discussed Putin’s Kyrgyzstan’s remarks on the so-called “plans”, though as usual takes his tack on them to the hilt. For instance, he seems confused that the media has a lot of contradictory statements about Russia, et al. Isn’t hedging bets/wishcasting a typical theme in propaganda matters?

Posted by: Call it what u will | Nov 28 2025 12:19 utc | 22

Posted by: Ignacio | Nov 28 2025 12:18 utc | 21


At this point one might argue that even if EU/UK are able to save Zelensky, it actually just further makes Russian position stronger. Because Zelensky is a toxic asset. It also prevents a nazi coming to power.
 
The reason Eurotards are trying to save him is because he is the first block in a chain of Dominos. He knows a lot of the money flow that can be traced back to London, Brussels and Berlin. If Zelensky survives, gets scared enough he will start spilling the beans. Albeit at that point EU/UK media will try to shut him down.
 
There were unconfirmed rumors of Trump offering Zelensky asylum in exchange for accepting the peace plan. 
 
There’s some sort of civil war going on between Trump admin and British/DS establishment.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2025 12:34 utc | 23

With a deranged unelected retard like Kallas it’s clear she was put in that administrative position by the grey eminences to further only one goal: to derail any sensible course in EU-Russia relations.

Posted by: xor | Nov 28 2025 12:40 utc | 24

Ousting major players in 404 might destabilize their political system too much, right.Especially when were talking about Yermak who very much appears to be the real power there.
But they could still do it in a more “amenable” way to Yermak, where they only find “some” corruption – “not too egregious”, “there are more important issues”, yadda yadda – and then offer him a golden parachute out. This way he wouldn’t have to activate all of his connections and they could replace him with Budanov or some other stooge.
This wouldn’t look good for Zelenski, but what is he going to do about it? Risk a civil war against the interests of his patrons?
 

Posted by: Roland | Nov 28 2025 12:45 utc | 25

Get the company product at all costs, human life expendable.

Posted by: Fortuna | Nov 28 2025 12:47 utc | 26

Once again, Trump’s “peace plan” was never meant to be implemented. It was to provide diplomatic cover while the RUAF finishes the job in Donbass. 
Let’s all remember that Trump’s off-hand comment on the phone about Ukraine’s anti-corruption activities during his first term was the catalyst for his impeachment. So he has no love for Ukraine at all, and I think as someone who endured a lot to become president the first time, and was nearly assassinated in his second attempt, he has nothing but contempt for the piano-playing leprechaun, who has been parachuted into a position far beyond his abilities. 
Trump is clearly aware that Maidan was a US-fomented coup, and that Russia has significant interests in clearing the neo-Nazis out of Ukraine. And, unlike most of the neocons who surround him, I think Trump also understands that Russia is no longer a Communist entity bent on world domination, and thus knee-jerk distrust and hatred is no longer warranted. So he is more than content to allow Russia to continue kicking Ukrainian ass all over the field. 
But of course, in the Kabuki theatre of world politics, he can’t admit any of this. So instead, he floats the ridiculously complex and unenforceable “Peace Plan” to make it appear that he wants hostilities to end immediately, when the reality is he wants a Russian victory to pave the way for a more lasting peace. 

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 28 2025 12:50 utc | 27

Russia also faces an enormous problem. By declaring the four Ukrainian regions as part of Russia, it has locked itself into a very peculiar situation. It cannot stop the “special military operation” until the “motherland” is fully “liberated,” and any attempt to do anything short of that would be seen as treasonous.
On the other side, no one in Ukraine, except as part of a total capitulation, can sign over these territories to Russia. In this logic, the only way out is a total Ukrainian capitulation that would come only after a definitive military collapse and Russian forces entering Kyiv.
There is, of course, the remote possibility that Russia will be militarily defeated, but then nuclear weapons would surely come into play.

Posted by: John Archer | Nov 28 2025 13:03 utc | 28

I find it plausible at this point that the U.S. is simply paying key European politicians to keep the war posturing going, while domestically it pretends trying for peace, that naturally seems to always be failing.  After all, a peaceful Ukraine is a bit harder to sell off…

Posted by: Halacegh | Nov 28 2025 13:12 utc | 29

On the other side, no one in Ukraine, except as part of a total capitulation…
Posted by: John Archer | Nov 28 2025 13:03 utc | 28
 
False! The path is:
1) Elections, 2) Constitutional amendment (must be done anyway, because of the NATO clause)

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 13:14 utc | 30

You all only ever look at the money. Sure, it’s very often the cause of everything, but not always!
There are other motivations for acting and planning. Above all, what else could motivate a billionaire with a potential profit of 50 million (for example)? That’s pocket money for him. So there must be another reason that motivates him more than money.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 13:20 utc | 31

This whole “will he – won’t he” – business with the actor/former president of the former ukraine (borderland) of the USSR, now called the Russian Federation, is very humorous to me, although a complete waste of the time spent reading about it. 
The EU and NATO and the USA go on and on but there is no input from the Russians, who were the victims of western expansionism beginning in 2014, and who have  made a military answer, saying NO.  There is no reason to take any of the arguments presented by the EU, NATO and the USA at all seriously as it is all bickering and arguing between groups that have no power to resolve it.
IMO, to end it once and for all (faint hope) Russia can return to itself  Odessa and Transnistria, maybe Moldova, and let the Ukraine do what it does best – be an incredibly rich agrarian area that grows many nutritious crops for the rest of the world.

Posted by: a lurking reader | Nov 28 2025 13:21 utc | 32

 
 

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Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 13:38 utc | 33

With  a wry smile Putin says “we are prepared to fight down to the last Ukrainian,” what an asshole, start at the fucking top idiot. That’s the joke of the SMO. That’ll have the heads at Whitehall roaring their fucking asses off ……
 
They are all just WAR PIGS
 
Cheers M 
 
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 28 2025 13:39 utc | 34

Trumps question was whether Ukraine, Russia and Europe are ready yet to stop shooting and start talking. The answer was no.
Perfectly reasonable question, perfectly reasonable answer.
 
What is all the fuzz about?

Posted by: Marvin | Nov 28 2025 13:39 utc | 35

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Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 13:42 utc | 36

I wonder why is the Don so desperately trying to salvage something of value of the “Project 404” ? Minimarco , I can understand his neocon PoV , but wasting time and money on a soon-to-be no-mans-land ? It’s a great distraction from the ongoing other genocide(s) but is Odessa really it worth it ? 

Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 28 2025 13:46 utc | 37

While the 28-point plan included several points Russia could not agree to (like a 600,000 strong Ukrainian army), it also included significant concession Ukraine would have to make. It could have been the base for further discussions with Russia. But Rubio allowed the Ukrainians to shrink the plan down to 19 points by taking out any Ukrainian concessions while adding erroneous demands (a 800,000 strong Ukrainian army) which are unacceptable to Russia.

 
The general perspective here, where somebody named Rubio somehow has great power to determine US policy but it nevertheless isn’t US policy is the perspective of that dude who re-wrote Shakespeare’s  Hamlet without the character of Hamlet. That is, it omits Trump, who like pretty much every president ever is the primary determinant of US foreign policy. And the notion that Witkoff is the real Trump is more a confession of Trumpist faith than it is plausible. Witkoff as Trump’s good cop to Rubio’s bad cop, tag teaming Putin seems as likely to me.  Trump doesn’t need a single excuse for dumping Ukraine, he could always pretend it was his central campaign promise. And there are no excuses he could give for losing the war against Russia in Ukraine, none will be accepted. None were accepted for Biden losing in Afghanistan. The fact that Trump isn’t issuing Biden’s blank check to Ukraine doesn’t mean he hasn’t been supporting Ukraine, it just means he’s not supporting Ukraine as much, no matter what frauds will tell you. 
 
As to the implication that it’s NABU and the media that are the US strings on their Ukrainian puppets? Yes, it’s likely those are some of them. But I firmly believe that the other US strings include the working partnerships developed between SBU and the CIA, between the US treasury/IMF and their Ukrainian counterparts and the between the Ukrainian high command and the US military (so-called) advisors. Even more, Biden isn’t president any more so NABU et al are not offshoots of the Democratic Party either. 
 
At this point, the problem is that Ukraine doesn’t accept defeat, will not give up it’s claims to the right to oppress the ethnic Russians/Russian speakers in Crimea, the Donbas or Novorossiya regions and rejects the democratic right of nations to self-determination and unity….and the US still supports it. The other problem, the inevitable military defeat of Ukraine (barring an escalation by other parties) isn’t happening today, but worse, it can’t be predicted. No one has to try to kick that can down the road, it is down the road already. Denial of the present can be a powerful foe, but denial of the uncertain future is even more powerful. 

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 28 2025 13:52 utc | 38

Kaja Kallas was born male. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Nov 28 2025 13:54 utc | 39

Might be better this way. While Trump and Selensky are arguing, Russia can try to liberate as much territory as possible from the clutches of the NaZi regime.

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 28 2025 13:57 utc | 40

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Nov 28 2025 13:54 utc | 39
Kaja Kallas was born male. Prove me wrong.
Sometimes, I’m asking myself if these creatures were born human or somehow made in a lab. Can a human being really be so mentally challenged?

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 28 2025 13:59 utc | 41

@ FrankDrakman | Nov 28 2025 12:50 utc | 27
Yes, I think you are spot on.  I would add that Trump and Putin are both in personal accord with each other’s understanding of the situation.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Nov 28 2025 14:02 utc | 42

British media outlets are running a torrid Black Friday Special, bundling the Witkoff-as-coach-to-Ushakov narrative with a Golden Oldie from years gone by: DJT as VVP’s puppet. Two narrative deals for the price of one is a better loss leader than $50 plasma screen TVs.
 
And just so we all know what a super-duper nostalgic trip down Memory Lane this is, befitting a venerable Golden Oldie, of course, The Telegraph has brought back into the limelight that Russian hand from the past, Fiona Hill, and she’s ready to psychoanalyze DJT while mind-readong VVP.
 
Hill says, “Trump isn’t negotiating. He’s dealmaking,” and she explains that this was his tactic w/ Russia during his first administration.  At that point The Telegraph connects the dots for Hill, underscoring the fact that DJT was impeached in 2019 for “fundamentally undermining” the U.S.’s relationship w/ Ukraine by threatening to withhold aid unless Volodymyr agreed to announce that Kiev intended to investigate Autopen Robinette for corruption.
 
Described by The Telegraph as a Kremlin watcher, Hill indulged in some clairvoyance regarding DJT’s motives for trying to ink the 28-Point Plan by 27 November:  “It’s a deal that favors the Russians, but it also favors Trump.  He wants the Russians basically to sign up to anything, as long as it ends this conflict, and then they’ll force Ukraine to agree.  Russia is only interested in peace if it means the capitulation of Ukraine. That’s what Putin’s been saying all along.”
 
According to Hill, Witkoff’s approach is reminiscent of “an older school of diplomacy. We’re back to those old days of secret diplomacy and back-room deals.”  She added that the 28-Point Plan “has all the hallmarks of a shady business deal designed to extract financial profit from a war-torn country.”  To this, The Telegraph connected a few more dots, linking the plan Witkoff worked on w/ Dmitriev “to furtive cloak and dagger diplomacy.”
 
It’s interesting that The Telegraph keeps thrashing the story of Witkoff’s involvement w/ Dmitriev in drawing up the 28-Point Plan, especially on the very day that AXIOS in the U.S. ran a now-it-can-be-told type article describing how Rubio, JD, Dan Driscoll and DJT worked tirelessly in a series of undisclosed, but quite united,  secret meetings in the White House, even during MBS’s state visit, to hammer out the basic 28 tenets of the plan.  AXIOS made no mention of Dmitriev in this latest article, elevating instead the attention JD, Driscoll and Rubio gave to the document, emphasizing in fact their teamwork &  diligence in doing so together.  But The Telegraph, refusing to take its cues from an American media outlet, keeps worrying the Witkoff-Russia nexus like a dog w/ a bone.
 
The British media may be trying to gun the engines of Russiagate once more, but the American media is refusing to put the pedal to the metal, if AXIOS’s choice of narrative spin is any indication.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 28 2025 14:06 utc | 43

The way POTUS was behaving yesterday the men in white coats might be coming for him well before Zelenski & Yermak …
 
All three are basically losing the plot both metaphorically and realistically.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 28 2025 14:13 utc | 44

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Nov 28 2025 13:54 utc | 39
No man can be that so dangerously stupid for the others :p (Men are selfishly stoopid.)

Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 28 2025 14:14 utc | 45

Gold $ 4.199,58
https://stock3.com/rohstoffe/gold-133979

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 14:27 utc | 46

So this war has already gone on longer than the siege of Leningrad and in January it will be longer than the war between Nazi Germany and the USSR. Russia can be proud of what it has accomplished: one million casualties, international trade and markets cut off or collapsed and NATO expanded all along its western borders.
 

Posted by: Noam A Larkey | Nov 28 2025 14:53 utc | 47

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 28 2025 13:39 utc | 34
————————-
As usual, more discrediting/despising of Russia and VVP. Yes, I understand you hate war and murder, but when will we hear from you treating your own country, the USA, of war pigs and genocidal pig?
Because the root cause of all this mess, those deaths in Ukraine and everywhere in the world is YOUR COUNTRY.

Posted by: scc | Nov 28 2025 15:02 utc | 48

As Brian Berletic over at the new atlas has been explaining over and over and over again, this war against Russia is waged by the USA via proxy. Ukraine has no agency. The Europeans have no agency. They fulfil the roles they have been assigned and nothing more. If Ukraine is “rejecting” anything it is because they are doing as the are instructed. Same goes for the Europeans. Meanwhile we, the audience of this great pantomine, are encouraged to shout out our allegiance to one character or another, be it Ukraine, Nato, EU, Trump or the Democrats. 
 

Posted by: Subtropical | Nov 28 2025 15:02 utc | 49

I have another take.
 
At the start of the WHO, Volodymyr Zelensky pretended to be courageous by publicly parading around, saying he wasn’t afraid.
 It later emerged that he had received assurances from Vladimir Putin, via Israel, that he wouldn’t be targeted.
 I believe the current stance of the Ukrainian presidency is similar. 
They understood that the Russian side wasn’t demanding their explicit recognition of the loss of the territories annexed by Russia before a cessation of hostilities.
Putin’s motive is that the executive branch led by Zelensky is illegitimate, and that the conditions for the constitutional referendum required to validate it hadn’t yet been met. 
Zelensky and his entourage are using this to portray themselves as nationalists who refuse to acknowledge the loss of the five provinces, thus appeasing the neo-Nazi extremists in Kiev.
 
It’s just posturing, appearing to reject something that isn’t being asked of you anyway.

Posted by: Sebgo | Nov 28 2025 15:15 utc | 50

The fate of Pax Americana written in stanzas by Shelley.
 
At the dawning of the British Empire in 1818, the romantic poet Percy Bysshe Shelley penned the inevitable decline of empires … Ozymandias
 
<b>EU Broke, Ukraine Up for Grabs, Shaping NWO</b>
 

Posted by: Oui | Nov 28 2025 15:17 utc | 51

Sorry.
I really tried to edit, but…

Posted by: Sebgo | Nov 28 2025 15:17 utc | 52

Trump does not want peace. He just does not want a lasting war, because what he wants is money and supremacy. Supposing a peace agreement is concluded, he will not stop bullying the rest of the world to buy US oil, gas and weapons instead of Russia’s.
 
If he wanted peace he would stop supplying ISR to Ukraine, stop selling weapons to NATO for fuelling Ukraine, he wouldn’t be recruiting Philippinos to fight in Ukraine army, he wouldn’t seek colour revolutions in Russia’s allied countries, he wouldn’t conspire every single day to bring damage to Russia. In a nutshell he wouldn’t be acting behind the curtain (actually even openly) in the opposite direction of what he brags.
 
Trump is not different from any other former POTUS, he is just more dangerous because he is lunatic and unpredictable.
End of rant

Posted by: scc | Nov 28 2025 15:18 utc | 53

There’s one hanging chad from last week’s frenetic diplomatic activity that has not had much comment is the Abu Dhabi meeting between Driscoll, Budanov and an unknown (presumably military) delegation from the RF.
Ostensibly they were discussing the Ukraine peace plan, but I suspect there was more to it than that. Perhaps they were planning for the ‘day after’ when the Zelensky claque is ousted from power and arrested or flees in the face of corruption charges.
For sure Budanov knows where the bodies are buried and could be very helpful for denazification efforts if it’s possible to turn him. So far as I know he is not a you-know-who and may be motivated by a desire to save his own country (and skin, natch).
Worth keeping an eye on his eventual fate…
Of course, the above could be bollocks and he could end up swinging from a lampost.
 

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 28 2025 15:28 utc | 54

Yermak has written a letter of resignation?
Кокаиновый фюрер сдал Ермака.Ермак написал заявление “по собственному желанию”.Вот это уже начало конца для режима кокаинового фюрера, хотя он еще будет трепыхаться и крови прольет немало.Вот что значит внешний контур управления. США через подконтрольный механизм достаточно легко и быстро добились отставки второго человека в иерархии укрорейха.
The cocaine Führer betrayed Yermak. Yermak wrote a statement “of his own free will.” This is the beginning of the end for the regime of the cocaine Fuhrer, although it will still flutter and shed a lot of blood. This is what the external control loop means. The United States, through a controlled mechanism, quite easily and quickly achieved the resignation of the second person in the hierarchy of the ukreich.

Posted by: unnamed | Nov 28 2025 15:30 utc | 55

Subtropical // 49

This war against Russia is waged by the USA via proxy. Ukraine has no agency. The Europeans have no agency. They fulfil the roles they have been assigned and nothing more. If Ukraine is “rejecting” anything it is because they are doing as the are instructed. Same goes for the Europeans. Meanwhile we, the audience of this great pantomine, are encouraged to shout out our allegiance to one character or another, be it Ukraine, Nato, EU, Trump or the Democrats. 

It goes even deeper.  The USA is not waging the war for its own goals.  I mean, the USA, as a people or as a government, is not waging a war against Russia.  The MAGA movement in the USA is, like the Tea Party movement before it, an attempt by the people to take the USA back to an earlier time.  They want a small, limited government.  They want a tiny national budget.  They want to return to isolationism which means they have no interest in foreign wars.
That’s what the people want, but the true rulers, not the actors playing congressmen or presidents, do not care what the people want.  If the actors don’t play their parts right, the rulers will replace them.  The power of the rulers is so great, they can replace the actors playing the part of the president or even influential congressmen and nobody will mention it – not the press, not other government actors, nobody.  The rulers replaced the actor playing Congressman Thomas Massie  and the show went on.  Nobody even remarks how much the new actor, on the left, looks nothing like the old actor,  on the right.
It’s a fun show, but people on MoA take it far too seriously.  
 
 

Posted by: Nobody Special | Nov 28 2025 15:32 utc | 56

If Volo had any brain matter left he would have fully accepted the DJT 28 point peace plan in order to place maximum pressure on VVP to accept the plan (eventhough VVP was never going to accept the plan).
Instead foolishly he now has allowed VVP to gain tremendous momentum in the race to curry favor with DJT .  The Volo rejection completely takes VVP off the hook regarding acceptance or modification of the peace plan.
Basically, VVP now has a free hand in the DJT vision to finish the job and accelerate the SMO at his discretion.
The raid on Yermak’s office is prime evidence that DJT is serious in destabilizing Volo and his rump regime in the short term.

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 28 2025 15:36 utc | 57

Zelensky’s top aide resigns amid corruption probe
 
Andrey Yermak has resigned over his alleged links to a renowned Ukrainian money laundering channel
 

Vladimir Zelensky’s chief of staff, Andrey Yermak, has resigned over his alleged links to a renowned Ukrainian money laundering channel.
read https://www.rt.com/russia/628643-yermak-resignation-ukraine-corruption/

 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 15:38 utc | 58

Who will be the first to be arrested eliminated: Andrei Yermak or the chief investigators of NABU?

 
There, b, fixed it for you! 
Banderites, like all nazi scum, prefer to execute people in cold blood, not to arrest them…

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Nov 28 2025 15:39 utc | 59

Marco Rubio can not be trusted, remember he was one of main cheerleaders for the 2014 coup and the US defense buildup of the UAF, and the surge of funds and ammo and arms in 2022.
He is a forever war neo con buff……….

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 28 2025 15:40 utc | 60

Just in

ayden @squatsons 
Head of the president office Yermak has written letter of resignation. There will be complete reboot of Office of the President of Ukraine. Tomorrow I will hold consultations on the new head of the Office. -Zelensky.

Posted by: b | Nov 28 2025 15:43 utc | 61

As the Volo regime collapses, both at the front and in Kieve (the Yermak resignation proves the point), DJT is now looking for cover when the final collapse occurs.
He needs counterpoints to the ‘who lost Ukraine’ hysteria which will soon emanate from neo con forever war crowd, which will scream about the loss of ‘western democracy’ as the Volo regime implodes…
His best bet is to paint the Volo regime as completely corrupt and install a new friendly regime that will immediately sign the 28 point peace plan, even as the front contracts like an accordion.

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 28 2025 15:46 utc | 62

Head of the president office Yermak has written letter of resignation. There will be complete reboot of Office of the President of Ukraine. Tomorrow I will hold consultations on the new head of the Office. -Zelensky.
Posted by: b | Nov 28 2025 15:43 utc | 61
 
As I announced: No arrests. Just removal (and then probably going into hiding somewhere in Israel).
People who know too much cannot be arrested.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 15:48 utc | 63

American Presidential Candidate and Political Commentator Patrick J. Buchanan warned during his presidential campaign in 1992-93 that NATO expansion eastward and southward threatening Russia and Serbia would eventually lead to a general East European land war. 
His apt warnings were ignored by the Presidents HW Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, Obama and Biden, as NATO continued to expand as part of the neo con agenda.
 

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 28 2025 15:58 utc | 64

Z takes everything that is the focus of criticism and public revelations out of the picture, while remaining protected himself and presenting a spotless record. Mr. Clean.
This avoids new elections and dampens discontent in Europe.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 16:00 utc | 65

smartfox 63 – more than likely the regime’s top honchos are preparing for a new life at their waterfront condo’s in Haifa (Volo already owns one and more than likely Yermak does also).

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 28 2025 16:01 utc | 66

yermak condo’s in Haifa next door celebrity central what a neighbour hood
robert maxwell
ghislaine maxwell
johnathan pollard
jeff epstein
lord mcalpine
lord greville janner
isis head al bagddady  shimon elliot elliot simon 
syria hts head ju julani 
sean penn
bono 
sting
party party on the dancing israeli never stop
 
 
 

Posted by: normal wisdom | Nov 28 2025 16:24 utc | 67

Zelensky’s Right Hand Man Has Quit…
 
https://www.rt.com/russia/628077-yermak-zelensky-power-explainer/
 
“Who is Andrey Yermak and what does his exit mean…?”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 28 2025 16:27 utc | 68

Not really interested in this ‘war’ since a while, but recommend strongly this article and included video with Nima.
John Helmer is the best on Russia, enormous knowledge and excellent journalism.
Obviously he can not state things openly ( as he was already exiled from RF before for  honest journalism about the oligarchy).
I agree with S. leperchaun in Canada, something stinks so much about it all, and comes to fatwomannoodle  ‘Fu…ck ‘the EU.
Strange that Russia blames not the instigator of this war USA, but the EU poodles of USA now.
Strange that Putin is acting badly, overriding the military, Foreign Affairs. Lavrov is totally overstepped, and who are the oligarch in Abou Daby negotiating with USA? They could not without presidential approval.
To sell Russia again?
I totally lost any respect for Putin, and it started with Covid psyop, and was obvious with his Israel lovydovy relationship later when Syrya happened and also Palestine.
All so secret, Moscow overrun by CIA agents, Larry Johnson is only one of many.
I think, as Putin has sold Syria, Palestine and Middle East to USA partners for a ‘deal’ for oligarchs, that he overstepped his duties for RF, and he has to go down. Traitor to BRICS as well.
https://johnhelmer.net/sergei-lavrov-has-the-we-are-losing-syria-look-new-podcast-with-nima-alkhorshid-breaks-the-news/

Posted by: stranger | Nov 28 2025 16:29 utc | 69

End of rant
Posted by: scc | Nov 28 2025 15:18 utc | 53

 
Please rant more!

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 28 2025 16:31 utc | 70

All the Nabu bs is just more Punch and Judy. Are we suppposed to suddenly believe that the couped Ukrainian state actually has a honest, independent, ministries since then?
 
Pull the other one it’s got a bell on it.
 
Xmas jingle balls it seems.
 
The first chance of any honest elections or referendums un-sullied by electronic or postal voting – open to any candidate not silenced by the establishment, judges, media, pramiltary thugs and foreign DS assasins, shit stirrers – would easily see the booting out of the wormtongues Shelensky and the natziofascist leeches.
 
It would see the repeal of the selling off the lands and resources to the global robber barons.
 
It would also see more Russian speaking Ukrainians voting to join their Eastern neighbours in the Federation- which offers welfare, housing, investment and energy security forever.
 
‘Anglo European’ Banker overlords have always relied on owning and exploiting the worlds resources. Whilst they had great success in the Americas, Africa Asia and Oceania, they have never really managed to take most of EurAsias.
 
Without that they find themselves over extended. They spent the likely profits before even booking them!
 
Which means the ponzis they have had to create to cover that until they ‘win’ are now floating impossibly like solid bubbles in the air.
 
AI / Crypto / Digital currencies are these bubbles.
 
They have no choice. The bubbles will pop and fall to the ground. The only cover is war, maybe even nukes to enable their escape into the future.
 
Shapeshifting again to try again another day, another few generations down the road.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 28 2025 16:32 utc | 71

thanks b… yermak has resigned….  
 
who is calling the shots here?? it goes into what i was asking on the open thread yesterday before i had to leave for a gig out of town – who controls the worlds finances… war is exceedingly profitable for them… they have no interest in ending this… clearly zelensky, and trump both work for the same boss… is that boss based in israel? lol.. i know it sounds conspirational.. 

Posted by: james | Nov 28 2025 16:40 utc | 72

Yermak. A big domino falls…..
I’m experiencing increasing levels of Schadenfreude….can’t wait to hear the French, German and Brit reaction . It’s like watching a train crash n slow motion.
JB
 

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Nov 28 2025 16:44 utc | 73

Former Pentagon advisor warns of military coup against Zelenskyy
 
According to former Pentagon advisor Douglas Macgregor, a military coup is being prepared in Ukraine to overthrow President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. An advance of Ukrainian troops on Kyiv is being openly discussed. At the same time, Washington is reportedly preparing Zelenskyy’s escape to Israel.
 
https://de.rt.com/europa/263174-ex-pentagon-berater-warnt-vor-militaerputsch-gegen-selenskij/
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 28 2025 16:45 utc | 74

https://johnhelmer.net/sergei-lavrov-has-the-we-are-losing-syria-look-new-podcast-with-nima-alkhorshid-breaks-the-news/
 
Posted by: stranger | Nov 28 2025 16:29 utc | 69
 
Helmer is really on the grift if he thinks Lavrov feels like he’s losing today. Aside from peace negotiations being discouraged, Yermak is out. That’s the start of a fine weekend for Russia by itself.
 
Maybe that means Ukraine is coming much closer to the President Trump proposal, maybe it’s just a sign of internal chaos. It doesn’t terribly matter.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 28 2025 16:46 utc | 75

I’m not sure this is really about ex-ukrainia, I think this is more about power, the power of the globalists and their nefarious agenda. Rubio is the step’n-fetch-it for the globalists, keeping the war going shackles Trump and makes him a lame duck, more importantly, it tarnishes all those coalitionists in the administration that could challenge the globalist hegemony over power in 2028. 
 
And frankly, Trump is unwilling to save himself and those loyal to him…quite betrayal from a man who prizes personal loyalty.  And quite a betrayal by Trump upon himself…et tu Donald?
 
But back to Rubio and his presidential aspirations, by throwing a monkey wrench into negotiations he insures that Trump’s coalition is left “blow’n-in-the-wind”…perfect..just perfect.  Rubio runs and secures the Republican nomination, the DNC working with the globalist run their usual milquetoast minion, somebody with a lisping voice would fill the bill nicely.
 
Never fear, all those with TDS will rejoice on that cold  Jan 2028 day, shouting in unison that; “the wicked witch is dead” or some such nonsense and we…we who actually care?   Well, we’ll continue our shuffle to the grave without a glimmer of hope that the greatness* that once was, could be again.
 
*America’s FDR years [circa 1932-1978], be all our sins remembered but, temper that by a creative society that sought and often succeeded in bettering itself.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 28 2025 16:47 utc | 76

so, is Yermak off to Israel too or will he get arrested first?

Posted by: annie | Nov 28 2025 16:48 utc | 77

Cold War 2.0: Ukraine Collapses, Israel Escalates & Trump Pressures Putin
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdGybH7FMXU
 
“Today on Cold War 2.0, Kevork Almassian and Tarik Cyril Amar break down 4 explosive geopolitical developments that expose the deep fractures inside the Western system – from Ukraine to Israel, from Washington to Brussels.
 
We begin with Ukraine’s political meltdown as anti-corruption unites raid the home and offices of Andriy Yermak, President Zelensky’s closest adviser. What does this stunning development reveal about the collapsing Ukrainian state’s dwindling Western support – and the internal power struggle over what remains of the war machine…?”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 28 2025 16:49 utc | 78

As usual, and for at least another day, the bar will pour over the latest nothingburger distraction like scatologists seeking swallowed gold.
 
No one quits. With modern communication people do their job remotely to get out of the public eye.
 
And over a year later, we aren’t one one- thousandth of an inch closer to ending the conflict.
 
And we’ll produce hundreds and thousands of words, tittering in discussion of something that never was, and, I maintain, never will be.
 
Do carry on… 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 28 2025 16:49 utc | 79

Marco Rubio can not be trusted………
– Tobias Cole 60

True that.

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 28 2025 16:59 utc | 80

Any peace plan to end the war in Ukraine should take into account the following:
 
IN 2014 THE UNITED STATES CONDUCTED A COUP IN UKRAINE.
 
In 2014 the United States (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the democratically elected Yanukovich government which was considered insufficiently pro-Europe).
 
Many in Eastern Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government sent in the military to deal with the eastern rebels.
 
The media claimed, and still claims, that the U.S. backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they champion (vigorously support) a march to the Russian border.
 
WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
Imagine that in 2014 Russia (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Kiev (to replace the Yanukovich government which was considered too pro-Europe).
 
Many in Western Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
 
A civil war began.
 
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine
 
and called itself “the Ukrainian government”.
 
The coup-government called in the Russian military to deal with the western rebels.
 
Of course, to be consistent, the media would have to claim that the Russian backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and that they championed a march of the Russian military to the Polish border.
 
The important point is that statements such as “Ukraine will not give up any of its land,” and “Zelenski Rejects Giving Land” make no sense.
 
This is because the coup-government, and its successors, never established authority over all of Ukraine.
 
WHAT IF THE CHINESE HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014?
 
What if the Chinese (aligned with a leftist/communist faction in the Ukrainian government) had conducted a coup in Kiev. Would this give them authority over all of Ukraine?
 
What is the legal situation?
 
A few notes on the 2014 Coup in Ukraine.
 
A few days before the coup the US Under/Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, was taped telling US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, why she wanted Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be the prime minister of the coup-government, rather than the boxer Vitali Klitschko who was apparently the favorite for the position.
 
The Russians released the tape to the internet. Some thought this would stop the coup going ahead.
 
However, the coup went ahead, Nuland’s order was carried out, and Yatsenyuk got the job of prime minister.
 
Klitschko got the job of mayor of Kiev.
 
Everyone in sight (except possibly Tyahnybok) was a Jew but you are not allowed to call it a Jew coup.
 
You are allowed to call it a Nazi coup though.
 
All this led directly to the 2014 Ukraine civil war,
 
which led to the 2022 Ukraine-Russia war.

Posted by: John | Nov 28 2025 17:02 utc | 81

by Zelensky saying he won’t give up land for peace as long as he’s president with the stipulation elections won’t be held until 100 days after the negotiations it requires a coup for any finalization of the negotiations. it makes perfect sense why Putin is not in any hurry. 

Posted by: annie | Nov 28 2025 17:04 utc | 82

The US ‘Democrats’, the US ‘Deep State’, the US ‘Neo-cons’, the European Union ‘leaders’ with positions in the EU (e.g. Kallas..), to boil it down very crudely without any nuance,.. want war with Russia.
 
They all hate Trump, MAGA, America First, etc. In the EU, they loathe Trump like no other ever USA Pres.
 
Fighting endlessly so to speak, supporting the Proxy War in UKR, is the main ongoing attack.  To the last Ukranian …for sure.  Nobody cares about the ppl, soldiers, country, land, economy, territory, etc. of UKR. 
 
This ‘coalition’ is thirsting for their ‘agression’ to move forward, to show dominance, Kontrol, moral courage, and so on. The top dogs, ‘leaders’, instigators, think they will be spared…and that they can send young idiots, or ‘conscripts’ to die – for nothing.
 
Even when UKR becomes (reckon Odessa will be taken…?) or maybe now in whole, part of Russia, they will scream and clamor, see Russia EVIL agressor, we must defeat it at any cost, otherwise it will go on taking over territory, invade European countries, etc. etc.   

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 28 2025 17:05 utc | 83

Multiple posters still claiming Yermak was #2 in Ukraine, which is objectively false.
 
If 2019+ Ukraine were a NetFlix series production (which it is):
#1 is the CIA & US Embassy office in Kyiv (Executive Producers)#2 is the MI6 office in Kyiv (Set Locations – Operations & Security)#3 is (was) Yermak (Director)#4 is Zelensky (Lead Actor) – much of it CGI
 
The series is about to be cancelled due to cost overruns. The loyal west fan base was polled to see what the most satisfactory ending outcome would be:a) Their “hero” dies a noble death in defense of “democratic values”b) Their hero was really an anti-hero all along

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 28 2025 17:08 utc | 84

A commentator at the Guardian praises Yermak’s “work ethics”.
 
Just saying.

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 28 2025 17:09 utc | 85

Brennan, Rubio can’t secure the Republican nomination anymore than he could last time, because the America first crowd would never let it go that far (unlike the dems the gop doesn’t have super delegates). as it pertains to Ukraine (and Gaza for that matter), he’s no different than Nuland or Blinken. 

Posted by: annie | Nov 28 2025 17:12 utc | 86

The loyal west fan base was polled to see what the most satisfactory ending outcome would be:a) Their “hero” dies a noble death in defense of “democratic values”b) Their hero was really an anti-hero all along
 
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 28 2025 17:08 utc | 84
 
I get what you’re saying, but the current show runner (President Trump) absolutely hates most of the audience for this show. Zelensky dying a martyr would radically energize most of the core audience, which is why President Trump has definite reasons to offer him safe passage to Israel. 
 
You might think that would be ill-advised thematically and commercially ruinous, but that didn’t stop Neil Druckmann from killing off Joel in TLOU2.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 28 2025 17:16 utc | 87

Posted by: annie | Nov 28 2025 17:12 utc | 86
 
######
 
America First is Epstein First. They will do what Israel tells them to do even genocide.
 
There is no morality or ethic inherent in Americanism. It’s just the latest manifestation of Empire.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 28 2025 17:22 utc | 88

Strana predicts

Yermak’s resignation will lead to the loss of Zelensky’s control over the parliamentary majority and the government, as well as political control over the SBU and the State Security Bureau, because it was Yermak who coordinated the political part of the work of these structures, including their actions against the NABU.

In parliament, either the leadership of the Servants of the People faction headed by David Arakhamia will seize control (in this case, most likely, the current government will remain with the strengthening of the role of First Deputy Prime Minister Mikhail Fedorov), or the “anti-Zelensky coalition” (Petro Poroshenko and deputies close to grant structures). He will be able to split the “servants of the people” and form a new majority, passing a vote of no confidence in the Cabinet of Ministers.

Also, suspicion and a measure of restraint for Yermak will mean that he will not be able to remain the head of the negotiation group for a peaceful settlement. Driscoll is unlikely to meet him in jail.

Posted by: b | Nov 28 2025 17:24 utc | 89

Posted by: stranger | Nov 28 2025 16:29 utc | 69
Strange that Russia blames not the instigator of this war USA, but the EU poodles of USA now.——————————
I don’t know if you noticed it, but EU does not need the US anymore regarding Russophobia and the will to prevent any peace agreement. And it happens that EU is the border to Russia, not really the US. And EU si in a delusional suicidal mind. 

Posted by: scc | Nov 28 2025 17:32 utc | 90

Alexander Mercouris: ‘Putin’s Toughest Line’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@AlexMercouris/videos
 
“Putin’s toughest line in Presser: NO Kherson Zaporozhye ceasefire agreed; Reaffirms Moscow demands.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 28 2025 17:36 utc | 91

@ Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 28 2025 16:49 utc | 79
 
 
“Do carry on… “
 
challenge accepted 😘
 
 
 
The current generations of their natzio fascist dynastic mercenaries really thought they had it in the bag – from the ‘end of history’ to the fake ‘war on terror’ to the controlled ‘scamdemic’.
 
The now daily more evident failure to achieve the Final Destruction of their arch indefatigable Human resistance; led by the Russian, Chinese and Persians. Now being joined by the Africans.
 
Where are the villains going to run to? Supposedly the illegal entity in the Levant. Land of paedos, conmen, vile women and crazed children – psychopaths and mass murderers. Where they captured the knowledge and inventions of humanity.
 
Nah that too will collapse in good and short order – they can only go to the only ‘safe’ land they can be protected in – the continent(s) they purpose built for that security – USA/Canada/Australia/NewZealand.
 
Europe is no longer safe for them nor will be the British Isles as we Brits throw off our blinkers after a millenia and look to the East and EurAsia for the same succour as the Ukrainian regions. The security of daily existence free of the c notified of bloodsuckers and their Vampyre Ball; the end of endless wars.
 
We are closer now than ever before. Human Civilisation will resume its progress.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 28 2025 17:39 utc | 92

Posted by: scc | Nov 28 2025 17:32 utc | 90
Nothng strange about it. at the proximate level it’s true.
More broadly it’s just the diplomatic dance.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 28 2025 17:41 utc | 93

@  b | Nov 28 2025 17:24 utc | 89 with the follow up on the Ukraine leadership crisis……thanks
 
As I have written before I see two parts to the coming settlement which I call MAD contextualized conditional surrender.
The Ukraine part is the conditional surrender part which I think is coming quickly now as this posting and follow on note.  If Yermak sees that negotiation is a lost cause then what does that mean?
 
Unless empire escalates it MAD contextualization threat against Russia SMO continuance the conditional surrender part will begin soon, I believe.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 28 2025 17:48 utc | 94

“Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 28 2025 16:49 utc | 79And we’ll produce hundreds and thousands of words, tittering in discussion of something that never was, and … never will be.”
 
Like the millions and billions of words tittered (and mumbled, sung, and shouted) in discussion of something that never was and never will be, in temples, synagogues, shrines, churches, mosques, cathedrals, and other similar wastes of real estate and human labor.
 
At least here at MoA we’re discussing reality, or what it can be, even if we don’t make a huge difference ourselves.
 

Posted by: Dalit | Nov 28 2025 17:48 utc | 95

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 28 2025 17:39 utc | 92
 
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I don’t think progress ever stopped, it just hasn’t been happening in the West.
 
If a tree falls and no one hears it…
 
Maybe the West catches up, maybe it does not.
 
China, IMO, will carry on. Their ambitions are not contingent on the participation or civilization of others. They are ready to “go their own way” if needs be.
 
America and Europe are free to do as much or as little as they want.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 28 2025 17:49 utc | 96

@ avotnom 85
The ‘Grauniad’ .  Pillar of the establishment, you can almost guarantee they stay on message, and their readers don’t want to question the message. Once Kath Viner became Editor in Chief it became a ‘narrative manager’ as Caitlin Johnson often describes these msm outfits. 
Awkwardly for the Grauniad, reality on the frontlines is getting too insistent to ignore. 
JB
 

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Nov 28 2025 17:50 utc | 97

Posted by: Dalit | Nov 28 2025 17:48 utc | 95
 
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There is benefit, even if it is a placebo, in plumbing spiritual matters.
 
Very little emotional or psychological benefit in focusing on Imperial matters, IMO.
 
For anyone, including those within the machinery of Empire.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 28 2025 17:52 utc | 98

As predicted, when the Americans demand his resignation, he has to go. What can Zelebobik really do?
 
Which makes Brian Berletic’s analysis interesting, saying that the US has had control all the time which means that they want this war to continue. They probably executed some of that control in the causa Yermak. But even more terrifying: They might really just be that stupid and greedy. They might have put Yermak aside not really to promote or hinder peace, but because he has become too impertinent and annoying.

Posted by: Roland | Nov 28 2025 17:53 utc | 99

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 28 2025 17:48 utc | 94
In 05/2022 , I said : “the ones who made a conditional surrender impossible will make an unconditional surrender unavoidable.” … I think this is unfortunately still a valid statement 😐 .
 

Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 28 2025 17:58 utc | 100