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November 30, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-276

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Just a matter of a short time until Ukraine is insolvent. The creditors will want to be paid. There will be no money to pay the troops. No money to pay mercenaries . No money  to pay the police to maintain law and order. Ukraine will become a dangerous place.
 The peace talks are doomed to fail. 
NATO are not ready to escalate in any way that will be a contest to Russia. UK can’t save Ukraine either.
Many will blame Trump. And rightly so.
This situation is a shocker that we all saw coming 
 Now it has arrived. 

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 30 2025 23:07 utc | 101

LoveDonbass……by the way, Russian ships uninsured by London…..you do know Britannia Rules the Waves…….they call the shots, they are even testing their new Naval drones on Russian ships, insured, or otherwise…..buckle up, only 97 years and one month to go…….
 
Cheers M 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 30 2025 23:09 utc | 102

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 30 2025 23:07 utc | 101
 
You are correct – and I would not like to be Zelensky. It may turn out that the wrath displayed by Ukrainians will be like that of Italians after Mussolini.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 30 2025 23:12 utc | 103

When a ship sinks there is sometimes a brief window to save it. The ship may be still upright and there maybe no panic.
But it is sinking. And with each passing minute it becomes inevitable that it will sink and nothing can be done to save it.  Then comes the panic.
 
Ukraine is at the point where it is sinking and also at the point where nothing will save it. Here comes the panic.
Or am I wrong?

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 30 2025 23:24 utc | 104

One difference, Mussolini wasn’t jewish and Zelensky is. All he has to do is flee to Israel where all the criminals flee even against horrific crimes against children. They’re protected and why because they claim to be jewish but are of European descent. The best way for the world populations to survive is to get an atomic bomb and blow that desert strip full of criminals off the face of the earth. It’s either us or them at this point. Because you know and admitted they are coming for us next.

Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:25 utc | 105

*** I wonder why the Yurwzmesh facility in Dnipro was destroyed by an (experimental ??) Orishnick in Nov 2024? I suspect the RF was extremely concerned about the activities in that facility. ***
 
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Nov 30 2025 21:09 utc | 78
 
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Such a target was therefore correspondingly impressive. It was therefore very easy to determine what the result was and compare it with old documents.
Posted by: smartfox | Nov 30 2025 21:30 utc | 81
 
There was an American “cutout” company operating within Yuzmash at the time.  So this location for proof of concept gave the US defense industry/intelligence community maximum data and exposure to Oreshnik capability. A very Russian choice and a huge flex.
 
I cannot remember the name of the cutout – interestingly this fact has fallen down the AI memory hole:
 
The query appears to be a misunderstanding of events. There is no evidence of an “Oreshnik” missile strike hitting an American company operating in a location called “Yuzhmash”.

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 30 2025 23:27 utc | 106

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 30 2025 22:43 utc | 94
 
Lavrov wanted to retire last Russian election – Putin asked him to stay on because he is exceptionally good at what he does, particularly for his age. Age is irrelevant if people are still capable and have long experience and knowledge that young people don’t have. Just compare him to Kallas the ‘scare crow’ who knows shit and mistakes feminism for trying to be more vocally belligerent than any male on the planet. If Trump did even one 50th of the work and travel Lavrov does it would be a miracle. But most of the time he sits on his fat ass and bloviates sound bites on his Truth Social.  Lavrov is always successful in his negotiations and a talented and committed professional. YOU could at least research the facts on Lavrov before you try to spin your nervous German propaganda. I’d be nervous too if I had an idiot Nazi puppet like Merz was my leader.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 30 2025 23:28 utc | 107

It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Israel has the Oreshnik. We all know how Putin loves his jews.

Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:32 utc | 108

Posted by: Bingo | Nov 30 2025 23:24 utc | 104
 
Ukraine should be renamed Titanic 2.0
 
Lets watch the rats jump ship now, although in this case the captain will try to be one of the first in a life boat and avoid going down with the ship.
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 30 2025 23:32 utc | 109

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 30 2025 22:17 utc | 89
Alexander Mercouris has been complaining about these AI channels on his show this week, he’s not very happy about them since they impersonating him, ripping off his work and potentially could be used to put words in his mouth.
I think we ll have duty to not repost links to them and report such channels: (via the ‘…’ icon below the video). select ‘Spam’ and add a note ‘AI slop visuals, impersonating Alexander Mercouris channel’. Alexander is trying to get these channels taken down, but new ones appear all the time.
Complain on sight.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 30 2025 23:32 utc | 110

Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:32 utc | 108
 
What a load of stupid garbage

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 30 2025 23:33 utc | 111

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 30 2025 22:42 utc | 93
Often, though not always, the videos are timestamped, or you can listen at 2x speed.
Supporting the original work is important.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 30 2025 23:37 utc | 112

GeorgeWendell 111
 
How so George please explain? He loves his rabbi’s. Maybe you haven’t been paying attention to the fact he promised his jews he wouldn’t take out Zelensky which he could of easily even today to end this madness.

Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:38 utc | 113

Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:25 utc | 105
 
All how will your AI selective atomic bomb not kill all the Palestinians in the region at the same time? Probably the Lebanese and everyone else as well. Do you have any idea of the power of modern atomic weapons?
Have you even looked at a map of which areas still reflect pockets where Palestinians live.
 
YOU are just displaying how ill informed and stupid you are as Lindsay Graham.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 30 2025 23:38 utc | 114

Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:38 utc | 113
 
More garbage propaganda from you that floats around in your imaginative mind with not one scrap of evidence

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 30 2025 23:39 utc | 115

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 30 2025 23:28 utc | 107
The wretched humans we USA humans promote to high office seem like they don’t even speak a second language.  It’s absurd. 
I wonder if the Donald speaks Slovenian?
I have also wondered about how to feel about Lavrov and Putin after they left Givi and Motorola and their Donbass fighters out to hang. 
Maybe I’m wrong.  It totally bums me out.
I will continue to hold Lavrov and President Putin in high regard, though.
What do I know?  Well, a lot from the bar.  Spasiba.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 30 2025 23:41 utc | 116

GeorgeWendell | Nov 30 2025 23:39 utc | 115
 
It takes an imaginative mind to know what’s going on George, what’s yours protecting the people who want you dead?

Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:44 utc | 117

Alexander Mercouris: ‘Moscow Demands Trials of Kiev Leaders’
 
https://www.youtube.com/@AlexMercouris/
 
“Kiev envoys meet US officials; Russia storms Grishino; Venezuela.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 30 2025 23:47 utc | 118

Republic of Scotland @43:
I haven’t  seen or heard  a  word from Catherine Connolly since she was sworn in as president. Is she going to remain silent for the next 7 years of her term?

Posted by: SLM | Nov 30 2025 23:53 utc | 119

GeorgeWendell | Nov 30 2025 23:38 utc | 114
 
One strike, Tel Aviv would solve the ME problem. Are you jewish George? Why do you propagate protecting these maniacs so much? Never tell me Putin is on this, he could have wiped that jew prick in the first moments of this this insanity. Just look what the bloated pimp is doing in Venezuela…

Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:53 utc | 120

canuk | Nov 30 2025 16:06 utc | 21
Sop when Trump pardoned all 1,600 Jan 6th insurrectionists, he signed every pardon by hand?

Posted by: Dave G | Nov 30 2025 23:59 utc | 121

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 30 2025 23:27 utc | 106


I read at the time one analysis of Yuzhmash, that there were supposedly more than one US or British companies nested operating in the Yuzhmash enterprise. Maybe a drone assembly line, the British were interested in ICBM rocket technology.
 
The US company was rumored to be Northtropp Grumman.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 0:02 utc | 122

You can even find Northtropp working with Yuzhmash for producing rocket engine cores in 2019. So most likely something was going on.
https://www.spaceintelreport.com/10-years-and-counting-northrop-partnership-with-ukraine-traverses-russian-itar-u-s-content-issues/

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 0:08 utc | 123

Posted by: norecovery | Nov 30 2025 22:35 utc | 91
 
RE:    Russia should urge the UK to have ‘Zaluzhny’ attend an upcoming ‘peace conference’ to contribute his brilliant negotiating acumen on behalf of Ukraine. But first, have him post a video stating his position. Talk about a ‘puppet’ (with missing strings)!
 
<<
 
Remember:  the UK is fostering Zaluzhny.   They naturally want to protect him like that ace in the hole, so they’ll never betray him.
 
An is-he-competent/is-he-not Zaluzhny is still a potent currency for the Atlanticists.  Obviously, they are milking the ventriloquist’s dummy for all he’s worth (his name at least.)  The Atlanticists know the media has their backs and won’t spill the tea on whether Zaluzhny is fully compos mentis or not.
 
There is a who-needs-to-know-and-when-do-they-need-to-know-it quality to the subterfuge.   In that the UK media, using the real estate space of The Telegraph on 30 November, has seen fit to sponsor the op-ed words of fig-leaf Zaluzhny, it sounds like the Atlanticists are still bullish on his currency.
 
Meanwhile, Umerov, the peace talk replacement for Yermak in Miami, has been snagged up in the same corruption scandal that deep-sixed his predecessor, according to The Telegraph. 
 
Am I premature in saying the walls are closing in-?
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Dec 1 2025 0:23 utc | 124

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 30 2025 23:28 utc |
Lavrov is always successful in his negotiations and a talented and committed professional. YOU could at least research the facts on Lavrov before you try to spin your nervous German propaganda. I’d be nervous too if I had an idiot Nazi puppet like Merz was my leader.

I fully agree. Wonder what makes this particular German (??) co nervous and prone to blather so much.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 1 2025 0:27 utc | 125

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 0:02 utc
 
Your memory is correct, unless you add in the word oreshnik to the query – then your memory is wrong. AI will be replacing government press relations spokespersons – Bagdad Bob has lost his job!
Search query ” There were supposedly more than one US or British companies nested operating in the Yuzhmash enterprise. Maybe a drone assembly line, the British were interested in ICBM rocket technology. The US company was rumored to be Northrop Grumman.”
 
AI Response: It is confirmed that the US company Northrop Grumman had a long-standing partnership with Ukraine’s Yuzhmash (Pivdenmash) enterprise, primarily for the manufacture of rocket parts. Information regarding a specific British company operating within the Yuzhmash facilities is less direct, but reports indicate a British company might have a part ownership stake in Yuzhmash. The claims about a “nested” drone assembly line are less substantiated in the search results, and the British interest was more broadly in supporting Ukraine’s defense industry. 
 
Search query:” There were supposedly more than one US or British companies nested operating in the Yuzhmash enterprise. Maybe a drone assembly line, the British were interested in ICBM rocket technology. The US company was rumored to be Northrop Grumman. oreshnik damage.”
AI Result: There is no evidence of US or British companies operating directly inside the Yuzhmash enterprise, although foreign components, including British microcomputers for drone control, have been found in Russian weapons. While rumors connect Northrop Grumman to Yuzhmash, this has not been substantiated, and a direct, operational partnership is unconfirmed. The damage from the Oreshnik missile strike on the Yuzhmash facility is a separate issue. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 1 2025 0:35 utc | 126

the fact he promised his jews he wouldn’t take out Zelensky which he could of easily even today to end this madness.
 
Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:38 utc | 113
 
_______
 
1. Better elensky than someone competent!
2. Offing elensky would not “end this madness”.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2025 0:43 utc | 127

One strike, Tel Aviv would solve the ME problem. 
 
Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:53 utc | 120
 
________
 
You mean by eliminating Palestinians as well as Jews?

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2025 0:44 utc | 128

You can even find Northtropp working with Yuzhmash for producing rocket engine cores in 2019. So most likely something was going on. ***
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 0:08 utc | 123
 
 
What was going on there was deep and huge – literally. That the information clampdown is so extensive is the most persuasive evidence of that. The power of Oreshnik would have been just as apparent to the west if the oreshniks fell on Ramstein. RF wanted the west to have just that, plus a little rub west nose in shit. 

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 1 2025 0:44 utc | 129

Lavrov has problems walking, as seen in this vid,
Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 30 2025 22:43 utc | 94
 
No, he has no problem. And his head is working very well. What are you trying to say?
 
Fuck off concern troll!

Posted by: Naive | Dec 1 2025 0:50 utc | 130

Lavrov has problems walking, as seen in this vid,
Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 30 2025 22:43 utc | 94
 
________
 
So did FDR, throughout his entire presidency and long before that.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2025 0:54 utc | 131

Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:53 utc | 120
 
It seems that your only source of information is some sort of belief that you have psychic powers. I’m not going to fall for your silly dreamed up nonsense and spurious claims bout me or anything else since they are founded on utter nonsense. You are here to spread your fictional propaganda but it will be a waste of time as it is with all trolls who come and go on here since no one takes them seriously. You already talk like you are the eye of god. Only fools think they are so gifted. 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 1 2025 1:17 utc | 132

“I fully agree. Wonder what makes this particular German (??) co nervous and prone to blather so much.”
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Dec 1 2025 0:27 utc | 127
 
Who knows? If he had any confidence in his views he would not need to be nervous.  
When things are going bad for Ukraine and Trump, and Russia is doing well, trolls and sock puppets always show up here in an attempt to gaslight people. They don’t realize that very few people on here will take their drivel seriously, its not a main stream media website. They might as well throw dry sand at a wall and hope it sticks.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 1 2025 1:25 utc | 133

You already talk like you are the eye of god. Only fools think they are so gifted.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 1 2025 1:17 utc | 134 and countless other ad-hominems

George has officially cemented his position as the bar’s premier full-time attraction.  One only marvels that a man whose confidence so perfectly illustrates the Dunning-Kruger effect hasn’t yet had the courage to launch his own blog.  Clearly, the world is desperate for a dedicated platform where he can diligently document just how profoundly stupid the rest of us are for not instantly adopting his towering, yet entirely unsubstantiated, intellect as universal fact.

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 1 2025 1:37 utc | 134

“You mean by eliminating Palestinians as well as Jews?”
Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2025 0:44 utc | 130
 
Unfortunately like Lindsay Graham he, doesn’t understand what nukes actually do and that there are small pockets of Palestinians living everywhere throughout Israel. He would care anyway, just so long as he is not nuked. If he was, he would cry like a baby. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)#/media/File:Demographic_map_of_Palestine_-_Israel_-_with_Legend.png

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 1 2025 1:37 utc | 135

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 30 2025 23:05 utc | 99
 
#####
 
Lots of people have their pet likes and dislikes. Monopoly is one of the things about statism that I abhor.
 
It’s a good thing that it tends to melt as technology and opportunity multiply.
 
Technology doesn’t make humans better, but it can demonstrate what is stupid. With some time and mockery, evil practices will fade away from being norms.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 1:40 utc | 136

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 1 2025 1:37 utc | 136
 
Just another straw man argument from a nervous man. Probably nervous because you know how flimsy your pathetic non-arguments are.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 1 2025 1:41 utc | 137

how flimsy your pathetic non-arguments are.
Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 1 2025 1:41 utc | 139

The sheer masterpiece of irony is seeing you fail to realize that every stone you throw is simply tracing an elegant parabolic arc right back toward your own glass house.  Consider this my final remark on you; I’m afraid I’ve reached my quota for participating in your rhetorical kindergarten.

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 1 2025 1:47 utc | 138

Posted by: Nervous German | Dec 1 2025 1:47 utc | 140
Please go, I do not need your support. I can be friendly, even compassionate and supportive to many on here, but when I come across someone like you and your propaganda, I know that switching to wrathful does a far better job.
 

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 1 2025 1:53 utc | 139

Nervous German, how much do you get paid per comment here?

Posted by: Stark | Dec 1 2025 1:54 utc | 140

My latest on Ukraine What A Difference A Few Weeks Made!

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Dec 1 2025 3:16 utc | 141

Now we see where this is going, as the Collective West faces defeat in Ukraine – NATO is exploring the possibility of “preemptive strikes in response to Russia’s alleged aggressive actions…” This potentiality is well understood by Russia’s leaders and they are prepared for the next escalation based on the hysterical European fervor stoking fear of a Russian invasion.
 
https://tass.com/world/2051341

Posted by: norecovery | Dec 1 2025 5:05 utc | 142

Seems the trick to take out Yermak didn’t succeed in pressuring Zelensky to accept the US ‘peace plan’. Zelensky even said Yermak was ‘strategically unimportant’ or something to that tune.
What will USA do next? Give Tomahawks? Attack tankers? Coup in Kiev using the nazi cultists?
With this chaos in Kiev and its mobilization effort, it will help things proceed for RUAF. The danger is Eurotard/UK might increasingly resort to desperate and dangerous actions.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 6:30 utc | 143

Now we see where this is going, as the Collective West faces defeat in Ukraine
 
Posted by: norecovery | Dec 1 2025 5:05 utc | 144
 
#####
 
Ain’t it grand? Everyone should get what they want.
 
Poke the bear?
 
Ok.
 
Now deal with the bear.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Dec 1 2025 6:45 utc | 144

Ukraine rejects the points of Trump’s peace plan – the rejection of NATO membership and the withdrawal of troops from Donbass
The refusal to withdraw troops was justified by constitutional restrictions, the opinion of Ukrainian society, as well as “inconsistency with the real situation.”
▪️Kyiv’s position remains the same: the ceasefire should be along the current front line. And only after that should the discussion of the territories begin, sources told RBC-Ukraine. ▪️The course towards joining NATO is enshrined in the Constitution, and changing it “is a bad precedent,” Ukrainian representatives said. ▪️Kyiv also insists on personal contact between Zelensky and Trump. ▪️According to the source, there are a number of issues that Zelensky considers necessary to discuss with the US president. ▪️After the meeting of the delegations of Ukraine and the United States, the place and time of the next round of negotiations on a peace agreement have not yet been determined.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/104838

Posted by: Ukraine rejects the points of Trump’s peace plan | Dec 1 2025 7:04 utc | 145

 NATO is exploring the possibility of “preemptive strikes in response to Russia’s alleged aggressive actions…”  https://tass.com/world/2051341
Posted by: norecovery | Dec 1 2025 5:05 utc | 144

As I’ve written countless times, this war resembles a Spanish bullfight.
First, the picadors and banderilleros (Ukraine and sanctions) tease, tire,
and weaken the bull with spears and banderillas (similar to attacks on oil infrastructure, or secondary sanctions),
sometimes suffering wounds or worse from the bull’s reaction (UKR armed forces).
When the bull is sufficiently weakened, the Matador (NATO)
arrives to finish the bull and take the glory, and as a trophy,
the bull’s ears and tail (Russian minerals and hydrocarbons).
Is this so hard to understand?

Posted by: Louis | Dec 1 2025 7:06 utc | 146

In response to
Ukraine rejects the points of Trump’s peace plan | Dec 1 2025 7:04 utc | 147
 
On To Odessa!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2025 7:20 utc | 147

Naturally, this rare commentary from an EU and NATO member is music to Moscow’s ears, and in return there will likely be perpetual “cheap energy” for Budapest. Trans steppe trade corridor has not been negated here.
Posted by: frithguild | Nov 30 2025 14:33 utc
 
And Orban is correct. 
I wonder how much reflection  is there in the Baltic  states since they cut the cheap energy from Russia?
Cheered on by that  incompetent  VDL in the most stupid  photo op.
And the Finns had a water management agreement with Russia  regarding hydro electricity  that is finished. 
Ah the warmth of moral righteousness for the unaffected. 
 

Posted by: jpc | Dec 1 2025 7:22 utc | 148

The danger is Eurotard/UK might increasingly resort to desperate and dangerous actions.
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 6:30 utc | 145
 
True. And we will be the  collateral damage .
Better be real consequences for the instigators .

Posted by: jpc | Dec 1 2025 7:25 utc | 149

  1. @147

The report is ..’sources told RBC – Ukraine.”
Who are the “sources” and what ace had Zelinsky left to play if he meets Trump.
And what position is Ukraine in to make these demands
We will see what eventuates today.. but I think Unimperator is right @145 in his assessment. The push by EU/US didn’t go the way they had planned. Yermak ran, but not in the direction that they wanted
 Zelinsky is still a loose Cannon. They need to get past him to get to Russia
 

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 1 2025 7:33 utc | 150

US/EU auditors estimate now tens of billions of $ or up to $100 billion of Ukraine aid money unaccounted for.
https://x.com/wealthmoose/status/1995319656723120298

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 8:01 utc | 151

The Kyiv news outlets demonstrate complete chaos and filled with rumors. No facts, only propaganda talking points. Love to quote Anne Applebaum’s husband … the dumb CIA frontman. Poland losing American support as Ukraine goes down the rabbit hole.
 
The White House foreign policy is run by the reconstruction crew and business investors of Witkoff – Kushner with military tactical advice Dan Driscoll. It is end of the rope for Zelenskyy … no ifs or buts. The deal for 100 Rafael fighter jets closed the door to the White House for European input … too many cooks in the kitchen … time to make easy decision for Ukraine. Battlefield decides outcome. A matter of reality and looking towards a future of business deals with U.S. oligarchs and manufacturing. NATO on RED alert 🚨 before falling apart.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 1 2025 8:05 utc | 152

The GUR employee Fakhriev (in the photo) suggested to his agent to kill not only the Russian officer but also his wife and child He explained to the executor of the terrorist act: even if the military man gets into the car with his family, the signal to activate the bomb must still be given. The terrorists’ negotiations were intercepted by the FSB. – UARU

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1995378845512253791

 

 

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 8:09 utc | 153

Ukraine is close to the precipice, with 80% of generation capacity gone and distribution networks in bad shape. A few more strikes on key connector nodes and Ukraine will be living in the dark ages.
 
Modern humans can tolerate a lot, but life without power is a miserable existence. Russia has been reluctant to finish it off, but it will happen if Ukraine keeps doing silly shit.
 

https://x.com/CheburekiMan/status/1995233640993948112

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 8:10 utc | 154

…wouldn’t surprise me … if Israel has the Oreshnik. We all know how Putin loves his jews.

Posted by: dobby | Nov 30 2025 23:32 utc | 108
Nah.
Israel received an unexpected spanking from Iran.
If they’d had an oreshnik they would have 100% used

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 1 2025 8:16 utc | 155

Is this a betting war for the highest estimate … any reliable sources? … number is quite hard to believe … mansions aren’t that expensive … pools filled with cash? 💰 💰 💰
 
VDL’s spending bill offers an equivalent of $100bn unaccounted for
 
Wealthmoose a website “under construction”

Posted by: Oui | Dec 1 2025 8:21 utc | 156

Goood morning bar! 
last night falling asleep and trying to catch-up comments and understand ‘tremors’ appearing in the sawdust of the bar room floor. I seemed to sense there was some goldfishian failure to recall some ukropian SSR history and FACTS. 
 
 
Such as why it has always been an important part of Russia going back centuries. Why it has been desired by powers beyond the RF; it’s relevance to the success of the USSR; and why it has yet again been targeted by the Old bastard Bankers and global robber barons with their fascist banderist/natzios ?
 
 
I could list here  – but perhaps a new spoken word broadcast by dimitry orlov I came across @GeromanAt X feed yesterday answers all these and more questions – succinctly humorfully and with a surprising ‘take’ that is worthy of consideration. 
In a couple of half hour episodes Mr Orlov answers all the questions and more of the comments of our bantering bar room always on the verge of a brawl. 
 
What did the Ukrainians do as a SSR? a list of all the industries and it’s vital supplies. why the oreshnik and why it was sent to where it could be demonstrated. all that and more – Dimitry, his cat and his sardonic broadcast joins my list of regular go to’s. 
https://m.youtube.com/@DmitryOrlovAndClub
 
Doing his bit to displace the ‘fogs’ of history. with added cat for the interweb attention span destroyed listeners. 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 1 2025 8:29 utc | 157

At sea in a storm the hour before the dawn is the worst. Every body just braces and hangs on for first light when work to survive begins.
The team US of Wickoff Kushner and Driscoll are business hustlers and cannot steer the outcome of the historic events that are happening. Itin oos being measured with his strikes to apply enough pressure to achieve his outcomes and not over do it.
Ukraine know they have lost. The west know they have lost. A million lives have been lost to achieve the objectives of western oligarchy .
Already the key players will be working with their media on damage control
History is being made here.
 

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 1 2025 8:33 utc | 158

@unimperator | Dec 1 2025 8:01 utc | 152

US/EU auditors estimate now tens of billions of $ or up to $100 billion of Ukraine aid money unaccounted for.https://x.com/wealthmoose/status/1995319656723120298

Prepare for incoming false flag. A similar announcement was made by Donald Rumsfeld September 10, 2001.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2025 8:35 utc | 159

@ Bingo — you are an optimist.
The gullible Putin (he wants to please the West) will mess things up again if no one stops him.
 

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 1 2025 8:39 utc | 160

Posted by: Bingo | Dec 1 2025 8:33 utc | 159
 
‘Bingo’

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 1 2025 8:43 utc | 161

@DunGroanin | Dec 1 2025 8:29 utc | 158
 
Thank you for the new Dmitry Orlov link! Properly bookmarked now. He is one of the best.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2025 8:44 utc | 162

Posted by: guest from franconia | Dec 1 2025 8:39 utc | 161
 
Trolls like you always show up when Putin is doing well and Donald has failed with is theatrical show yet again. Nice try but you have written garbage.
How has Putin “messed things up” and show how he is “gullible”. Otherwise it’s just mindless drivel and wishful thinking on your part.   Any observation reveals quite the opposite at the moment.

Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Dec 1 2025 8:52 utc | 163

@bingo
 
FYI there are no negotiations just points to meet the demands from the Kremlin … easy talks in Florida … Zelenskyy will be crying in the arms of Macron today telling him the Rafael LoI can be shredded 💪

Posted by: Oui | Dec 1 2025 9:41 utc | 164

Some of the Eurotards are finally getting the message of Nato being dead. EU is also dead, but that might take some more time to understand.

 
‘NATO ABOUT TO DIE’ admits bloc insider ‘Both US & Putin now completely BYPASS NATO’ — Veteran Dan-Viggo Bergtun (left), who briefed NATO envoy, tells Norway’s Steigan news

https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1995397630105710704

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 9:57 utc | 165

Those who used U.S. funds for personal benefit will be prosecuted to the fullest … no escape to Dubai … UAE is a front-office of NSA on intelligence and FBI manhunt … may I suggest the Yermak route, shortest travel to eternity 😂

Posted by: Oui | Dec 1 2025 10:36 utc | 166

EU media now saying accepting Ukraine into EU is a ticking timebomb and Putin’s plan to obliterate the EU.

 
The cover of Germany’s Die Welt after Putin’s statement that he has no objections to Ukraine joining the EU. Headline: “Kiev in the EU? Putin wants to plant a time bomb under us.” So, Ukraine joining the EU is now “Putin’s cunning plan.”

https://x.com/vick55top/status/1995367715989803027

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 10:39 utc | 167

Er dette begynnelsen på døden for NATO?
Av Dan-Viggo Bergtun – 27. november 2025

Posted by: Oui | Dec 1 2025 10:43 utc | 168

NAFO are now calling Zelensky a Russian agent. It’s funny to see the schizophrenic collapse full time all around the press, social media and EU leadership and the west.
https://x.com/MK_Foxbat/status/1995382680121467110

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 10:54 utc | 169

I thought the NABU cum Peace Plan events were about stabilizing politics and building a new narrative for perpetuating the war now that Kiev is about to lose the Donbas, but maybe the entire thing is nothing other than Trump finally having gotten in position for payback and cleaning house of the Nuland/Clinton/Obama/Biden crowd in Ukraine that disrespected and subverted him in his first term. As much as I dislike Trump I’m for Marquis of Queensberry rules and think Trump has every right for vengeance, a lot of voters thought this too. Besides giving each other clear ultimatums, maybe this is ultimately what came out of Alaska, an under the table mafia bosses accord between Trump and Putin, a personal favor between enemies, outside of the war fighting, that benefits both. Trump gets his vengeance served not cold but with a -70 arctic wind from Russia. Not that far fetched – what happened right after Alaska? Putin started going medieval on Ukraine’s ass and Trump started going after the Biden cronies in Kiev, hmm…
If so, I expect Trump to next clean house of the Nuland/Clinton/Obama/Biden crowd in the EU who also undermined him in his first administration, otherwise scattershot Trump seems to have developed an uncharacteristic patience and focus, matured from Tony Montana to Vito Corleone. In terms of perpetuating USA exceptionalism, neocolonialism, and hegemony nothing will change, just a mater of strategic sequencing as is the current buzz word, but one positive of this purging of western politics from post Nixon technocrat/managers could be a return to what has been the tradition since the very birth of politics – a return to Power Broker politics, for example men like Orban and Fico in the EU. This could be a good thing if a pragmatist of sound mind, or God forbid a genuine reformer, ever does show up he/she will have the actual clout to effect change.
BTW Yermak stating he might go to the front is interesting, I wouldn’t laugh it off so easily, in UKR like RF if someone indicted or convicted volunteers for the front they get legally exonerated of past crimes. Not that Yermak will actually fight, just a few photo ops in helmet with gun, dirt on his face, mud on his boots, faked rank and documents of participation, maybe a quick “wounding”, maybe a merit of valor, then out of site out of mind for 6-12 months after which he’ll show up in the twilight scrubbed and polished. If this happens it could be an indication Trump is being merciless, Yermak is at the top of his shitlist and has lost any protection.
If I am right about any of this Zelensky is toast, Trump is saving his sharpest blade for last.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2025 10:56 utc | 170

^ NUTS! This damn new site makes it practically impossible to copy paste! ALL IT NEEDS IS A PREVIEW BUTTON. Listening -b?
 
I thought the NABU cum Peace Plan events were about stabilizing politics and building a new narrative for perpetuating the war now that Kiev is about to lose the Donbas, but maybe the entire thing is nothing other than Trump finally having gotten in position for payback and cleaning house of the Nuland/Clinton/Obama/Biden crowd in Ukraine that disrespected and subverted him in his first term. As much as I dislike Trump I’m for Marquis of Queensberry rules and think Trump has every right for vengeance, a lot of voters thought this too. Besides giving each other clear ultimatums, maybe this is ultimately what came out of Alaska, an under the table mafia bosses accord between Trump and Putin, a personal favor between enemies, outside of the war fighting, that benefits both. Trump gets his vengeance served not cold but with a -70 arctic wind from Russia. Not that far fetched – what happened right after Alaska? Putin started going medieval on Ukraine’s ass and Trump started going after the Biden cronies in Kiev, hmm…
 
If so, I expect Trump to next clean house of the Nuland/Clinton/Obama/Biden crowd in the EU who also undermined him in his first administration, otherwise scattershot Trump seems to have developed an uncharacteristic patience and focus, matured from Tony Montana to Vito Corleone. In terms of perpetuating USA exceptionalism, neocolonialism, and hegemony nothing will change, just a mater of strategic sequencing as is the current buzz word, but one positive of this purging of western politics from post Nixon technocrat/managers could be a return to what has been the tradition since the very birth of politics – a return to Power Broker politics, for example men like Orban and Fico in the EU. This could be a good thing if a pragmatist of sound mind, or God forbid a genuine reformer, ever does show up he/she will have the actual clout to effect change.
 
BTW Yermak stating he might go to the front is interesting, I wouldn’t laugh it off so easily, in UKR like RF if someone indicted or convicted volunteers for the front they get legally exonerated of past crimes. Not that Yermak will actually fight, just a few photo ops in helmet with gun, dirt on his face, mud on his boots, faked rank and documents of participation, maybe a quick “wounding”, maybe a merit of valor, then out of site out of mind for 6-12 months after which he’ll show up in the twilight scrubbed and polished. If this happens it could be an indication Trump is being merciless, Yermak is at the top of his shitlist and has lost any protection.
 
If I am right about any of this Zelensky is toast, Trump is saving his sharpest blade for last.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2025 10:58 utc | 171

94…Lavrov is good because of his brilliant memory, personality and the way he perceived and understands the world, what he knows thinks and says, he could be in a wheelchair and like Steven Hawking  and still no matter, and of course a complete contrast to z and his cronies. Unlike delusional Baebock turning 360 degrees and no one in Germany publicly criticises, Merkel developed Parkinson’s. Clearly Metz needs a psychiatrist .

Posted by: Jo | Dec 1 2025 11:07 utc | 172

I thought the NABU cum Peace Plan events were about stabilizing politics and building a new narrative for perpetuating the war now that Kiev is about to lose the Donbas,
Not that far fetched – what happened right after Alaska? Putin started going medieval on Ukraine’s ass and Trump started going after the Biden cronies in Kiev, hmm… 
If so, I expect Trump to next clean house of the Nuland/Clinton/Obama/Biden crowd in the EU who also undermined him in his first administration,

BTW Yermak stating he might go to the front is interesting, I wouldn’t laugh it off so easily, in UKR like RF if someone indicted or convicted volunteers for the front they get legally exonerated of past crimes. 

LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2025 10:58 utc | 173


Think it’s a mix of both, where there are two opposite sides.
 
The initial attack on Yermak through NABU was initiated by Trump admin. Then the neocon/globo media tried to spin it as Ukrainian ‘anti-corruption establishment being efficient and proof of good EU membership quality.
 
So Trump’s aim was to bring down Zeleblob, clean the stinking Nuland-Biden-Obama pits while EU/UK fighting back by not reporting or reverse-spinning it with the aim to pro-long the war.
 
The EU/UK don’t seem to know what they want. They want a cease-fire, but they also want to continue the war. But they are now spinning lack of cease-fire as Russian fault. EU/UK are just in for the ride, they don’t have any control beyond media manipulation which is the only thing they know.
 
Reportedly no AFU commander has accepted Yermak into their ranks. Undoubtedly no one will put him in harms way while Zelensky is still there. While ‘serving’ any remaining assets can be hidden/moved out of Ukraine.
 
Btw, interesting report today about $10 – 100 billion USD worth of aid money missing. Maybe it was just redirected to EU MIC companies.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 11:22 utc | 173

Prof. Xueqin Jiang (clip): The Ukraine War Broke the West

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iO6JCwSnSc

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 11:30 utc | 174

https://www.agi.it/estero/news/2025-12-01/ammiraglio-fragone-nato-attacco-preventivo-russia-34426231/
In Italian: apparently NATO are mulling a preempitve strike against Russia.

Posted by: magicmirror | Dec 1 2025 11:33 utc | 175

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 10:54 utc | 171

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The eurocucks will have to remove Z. If Trump does it, Congress will   remove him from office, easy peasy. The Blob wants that anyway. 

Posted by: seer | Dec 1 2025 11:58 utc | 176

Yuzhmash, Oreshnik, etc.
 
I believe Boeing was one of the Yuzhmash partners in Ocean Launch. Northrup-Grumman and many others including from places like North Korea were also working with or customers of Yushmash and/or other ex-“Ukrainian” aerospace companies. This goes back decades now; Ocean Launch is long gone (Russia and Norway were participants too —much nicer times).
 
I sincerely do not believe that there was anything of any great importance to Russia or anyone else concerning Yuzhmash rocketry, and thus do not believe any of that had anything to do with the first ever use of an Oreshnik missile.
 
You do not use a weapon of significance more important than the target on that target (this is also true for Hiroshima and Nagasaki); within whatever constraints exist you want to choose the most important target for the/a weapon and action.
 
Such targets as rocketry or drones and similar would be far too banal/mundane “explanations” for the impressive silence from all sides. It also falls flat as a cover story (if it had been NATO in Russia’s place then NATO might have been stupid enough to try it but it would be entirely unconvincing).
 
Nope, whatever happened is connected to something “mind-blowing” and/or extremely sensitive to get a universal “nothing happened” treatment. Stuff of this level is usually so obscure as to disappear entirely except for perhaps a few ignored “conspiracy” comments on some website (which eventually disappear for some reason or another) but the use of Oreshnik and the target location being in a city which is not all that far from an active front made it an outlier.
 
Remember it for the next time you may come across something like it and welcome to the warren; don’t lose your sanity :3
 

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 1 2025 12:07 utc | 177

rt
 
Admiral Giuseppe Cavo Dragone, chair of the NATO Military Committee, told the Financial Times in an interview published on Sunday that member states have been weighing options to respond to what he described as Russia’s “hybrid war.”
“We are studying everything … being more aggressive or being proactive instead of reactive is something that we are thinking about,” Dragone said.
The commander added that a “pre-emptive strike” could be considered a “defensive action,” though it would be “further away from our normal way of thinking and behavior.”
 
maybe Russian might think the same way

Posted by: Jo | Dec 1 2025 12:08 utc | 178

The Blob puppeteers are making noises, scrambling for leverage. It’s just a phase of grief. Their dream is dying, and it hurts. The ukies will keep dying for real though. Very sad. 

Posted by: seer | Dec 1 2025 12:14 utc | 179

Posted by: Jo | Dec 1 2025 12:08 utc | 180

This thinking is driven by the losing proxy army, into which most if not all Nato resources were invested in, economically collapsing and disintegrating EU and Nato.
The mindset currently the Nato blob has is ‘use it or lose it’.
There’s also the possibility that this is once again admitting already events that occurred in the past. Like Macron and Starmer send they will send troops (it has been the case for years), Dragone could be admitting that Nato has already attacked Russia from – most likely territories like Baltlet states and Finland with strike drones.
This has been periodically speculated but it has never been admitted by anyone. But some in Russian military also know this.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 12:17 utc | 180

Those who used U.S. funds for personal benefit will be prosecuted to the fullest
 
Posted by: Oui | Dec 1 2025 10:36 utc | 168
 
________
 
More likely they’ll escape to “Tel Aviv” or at least Miami.  BTW Yermak’s father was a Jew.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2025 12:18 utc | 181

rt
 
The top diplomat made the remarks on Sunday to Russian journalist Pavel Zarubin, who asked whether Europe was within its rights to “outrageously” push for a role in negotiations to settle the Ukraine conflict. 
“We proceed from the premise… – which I believe is obvious to everybody – that Europe has already removed itself from the talks,” Lavrov said.
Europe long ago “used up its chances” to have a say in the settlement process, the top diplomat said, pointing out that it has repeatedly derailed efforts to resolve the Ukraine crisis since its very beginning, when the 2014 Maidan turmoil culminated with a coup and the overthrow of the democratically elected president. 
“Europe spoiled the initial deal of February 2014, when it acted as guarantor for the formal agreement between Viktor Yanukovych and the opposition. It did nothing when the opposition seized all government agencies the morning after the agreement was signed,” Lavrov said.  

Posted by: Jo | Dec 1 2025 12:32 utc | 182

Another tanker is sinking. This time off the coast of Africa. How should we respond?Turkish journalists are reporting that the oil tanker M/T MERSİN is in distress off the coast of Senegal (that’s West Africa, in the Atlantic, mind you). It flies the Panamanian flag but is owned by the Turkish company Beşiktaş Denizcilik. Local media speculate that it was attacked by Ukrainian naval drones three miles off the Senegalese coast. In August, the vessel called at the Russian port of Taman, which apparently gave grounds for classifying it as part of our so-called “shadow fleet.”There are three important signals here if the tanker was indeed attacked by the Ukrainians.First, they received permission from the highest authorities in London to attack ships of any nationality and belonging to any owner. Even if they are from a NATO country.Secondly, this means that Kyiv has gained the ability to carry out such terrorist attacks outside the Black Sea. And theoretically, this poses a threat not only to our Black Sea Fleet, but to any Russian naval base.Thirdly, it appears that Ukraine is using civilian vessels to launch drones. It’s unlikely that drones can pass through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus on their own.Ultimately, it all boils down to the fact that Ukraine must be deprived of the use of its seaports. Without ports, Ukraine will lose billions of dollars in revenue and the ability to access the world’s oceans, both with its own products and with the cargo on board grain carriers. Therefore, it’s high time to decommunize Ukrainian ports along with the energy sector.  Delvos 700. 🤝 @Slavyangrad

Posted by: Jo | Dec 1 2025 13:06 utc | 183

Simplicius about going to the offensive against Russia: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/going-on-the-offensive-against-russia
Some globalists and their vassals seem to be in deep desperation.
BTW: Lavrov is the greatest foreign minister for his country than any otherworldwide. Each time I´m reading his speeches and watching his actions I´m feeling big envy for us poor Westerners (especially Germans) for not having such brilliant statesmen. His speaker, Maria Zakharova, alone is better than every foreign minister we ever had (or realically could get). 
Concerning ship attacks: Very evil last resorts aiming at bankrupting Russian economy, but I´m sure it will be dealt with accordingly wirhin the next future . 

Posted by: Blue Angel | Dec 1 2025 13:44 utc | 184

Problem with these “shadow fleet sinking” : the ships are Chinese and Turkish owned… Erdoghan Pasha might not be that thrilled by the way the kokhol kikes says thank you … and saying the guy’s a old fox is an understatement.
 

Posted by: Savonarole | Dec 1 2025 14:21 utc | 185

Larry Johnson from 12:50
“It’s not allegations, we’ve actually got evidence that billions of dollars up to $48 billion, diverted from USA out of $360 billion for the last almost four years, the money went to the banks of Estonia, Latvia, up on the Baltics.
No wonder Kaja Kallas of Estonia thinks it’s so essentially to keep this war going. Because that money keeps rolling to it A lot of that money was diverted to the banks in the Caribbean. Like Cayman Island, that kind of place. And there were payments made to at least of 23 members of the US Congress, the House of representatives and Senate. I am going to make a list who are the most vocal senators and congressmen regarding the war in Ukraine. And dear, they are on the list of people getting paid”. RT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrjzEipl1WQ&t=811s
https://x.com/SlavFreeSpirit/status/1995470613998178731

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 14:28 utc | 186

Barflies are apparently an authoritative source: 
 
Witkoff Heads To Moscow With Revised Ukraine Peace Plan After Tense Miami Meeting Focused On Borders by Tyler Durden
 
*** This is likely become they know the clock is ticking on the battlefield, where as Moon of Alabama has noted, “The Ukrainian army is collapsing.” ***

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 1 2025 14:54 utc | 187

Ukrainian POWs DETONATE NATO’S FRAUD: ‘Russians Fed Us, NATO Treated Us Like Animals’

A captured Ukrainian soldier has alleged that NATO instructors from Britain and France treated Ukrainian recruits with open contempt while Kyiv failed to provide even basic supplies at the frontline. The POW claims Russian forces provided food, water and medical care after his capture, highlighting what he described as severe neglect by President Volodymyr Zelensky’s command. The testimony comes as corruption, desertion and exhaustion continue to fracture the Armed Forces of Ukraine, raising further questions over Western training programs and Kyiv’s ability to sustain its forces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5_NqyE3qxk

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2025 16:10 utc | 188

LightYearsFromHome@172……the Steele Dossier and the bed wetting call girls was a Whitehall production from start to finish…..the principle players are  still alive….Trump needs less Corleone and more Dwight Manfredi…..maybe he’s as directionally challenged as the Russians. I’ll give consideration to making a few maps for Trump, point him in the right direction…….
 
Cheers M 
 
 
………wish I was a radical billionaire, I’d put up billboard posters, thousands and thousands and thousands of them, all over the US and Russia, big big maps of England, maybe a few arrows and circles, not too many though, don’t want to confuse the Russians and Yankees anymore than they already are, as they both have the same terminal problem ……..The City!

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 1 2025 16:28 utc | 189

@Breneen 23
Quote -“Why do the English* start wars and then hide behind others? ”
Because English have observed the slavish attitude of Putin before Anglo pirates and has never taken any measures against England either in Ukraine or in mainland England itself  so England gets emboldened by putin’s inaction 

Posted by: sam | Dec 1 2025 17:20 utc | 190

“The main result of the ‘negotiations’ is that the US failed to get rid of us again. Well, the war goes on,” said MP Bezuglaya.@ukr_leaks_eng
 
The Black Sea’s ecology suffered due to the attack on the tanker Kairos, according to the Turkish publication Karar.The vessel began leaking fuel oil.The tanker was unable to anchor and was carried four miles from the site by wind and currents.@ukr_leaks_eng
 
Zelensky will sign a ceasefire agreement by December 15 and announce his resignation on New Year’s.This was announced by Vladimir Petrov, who is considered one of Zelensky’s leading political strategists.

I don’t think the president will tell us this, but I thought Zelensky had decided to tell us all to go to hell. I’m not joking,” Petrov said.

@ukr_leaks_eng
not sure if even this will work out
as we have heard it before
Belgium will agree to transfer Russian assets to Ukraine upon meeting three conditions, reports Suddeutsche Zeitung citing a letter from Prime Minister Bart De Wever to the European Commission.According to the publication, Brussels requires:- to provide legally binding and unconditional guarantees for the “reparative” loan,- to distribute all possible legal risks among all EU countries,- to ensure participation in the program by all states whose territories have frozen Russian assets (that is, to ensure that the loan to Ukraine is secured by these assets as well).The newspaper notes that Ursula von der Leyen is ready to meet these requirements. However, Belgium is waiting for official confirmation and support from other EU members. Will certain countries in Europe agree to this, no, but it is possible  countries like Germany will simply assume a greater share of their liabilities.@Slavyangrad
 

Posted by: Jo | Dec 1 2025 18:02 utc | 191

Posted by: Jo | Dec 1 2025 18:02 utc | 193
“to ensure participation in the program by all states whose territories have frozen Russian assets (that is, to ensure that the loan to Ukraine is secured by these assets as well)“
————-
This does not address EU only. Japan, US, Switzerland have immobilised Russian assets too.

Posted by: scc | Dec 1 2025 18:49 utc | 192

“Belgium will agree to transfer Russian assets to Ukraine upon meeting three conditions…”
This is based on the assumption that there will BE a viable Ukraine.  Russia has already stated that they won’t leave a militarized rogue state on their borders that intends on attacking Russian territory for decades to come while hiding behind U.N. “peacekeeping” troops. Given the alternatives, Russia may decide they are better off just taking over all of Ukraine and living with a hostile internal population (which Russia knows how to deal with) rather than allowing an E.U. financed and armed hostile rump Ukraine on their doorstep. 
If that happens, then what will E.U. excuse for seizing Russian assets be?  For the E.U. to pay Russia to rebuild the new Russian territory using seized Russian money?   I don’t see where this plan incentivizes any form of peace, but instead encourages Russia to just swallow the whole Ukraine enchilada.       

Posted by: Retaining_H2O | Dec 1 2025 19:56 utc | 193

why do we do what spacerich ppl want us to do…
we die – they get more money/power

Posted by: Hodes | Dec 1 2025 20:03 utc | 194

Belgium will agree to transfer Russian assets to Ukraine upon meeting three conditions

Posted by: Jo | Dec 1 2025 18:02 utc | 193
 
I may well be misunderstanding things here, but aren’t the frozen Russian assets held by Euroclear? A private sector organisation that is neither an agency of the Belgian national government or the EU, so are we looking at a national/supra-national seizure of assets from a commercial custodian, who presumably has contractual obligations and commitments to parties that are not the Belgian government or the EU federal agencies?
 
Asking for m’learnéd friends, who are always keen on complex and long-lasting legal actions…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Dec 1 2025 20:20 utc | 195

euroclear warns of doing so
it may open the gate to financial piracy aka no stable system at all

Posted by: Hodes | Dec 1 2025 20:23 utc | 196

wrecking the western finsys is a plan ofc.
 
sry for doubletapping 😀

Posted by: Hodes | Dec 1 2025 20:27 utc | 198

Posted by: frithguild | Dec 1 2025 14:54 utc | 189
There’s a Tyler D here. It’s not me. b’s work shows up there somewhat often.
I take it as a compliment to the collective intelligence of the b hive.
I’m here for comic relief and to feed the jukebox. And learn. 

Posted by: lex talionis | Dec 1 2025 20:30 utc | 199

Time’s running short , go on record folks dont be scared. Will China , Russia, or both help Venezuela defend itself militarily and in a public manner against the US ? Posted by: The Painter | Nov 30 2025 16:19 utc | 24 They are already doing that. “Support” does not mean bombing the US, but China has already delivered supplies and Russia immediately sent air defense and special forces.What more do you expect?
 
More than what they ended up doing to protect Syria, now i hear today S troops are having joint patrols with Al Qaeda in Syria.

Posted by: Englishman | Dec 1 2025 20:35 utc | 200