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November 27, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-273

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Dead thread again.  I’m good at that.
 
Karlof1 – those trivial errors are more irritating than significant.  I’d still kicking myself for placing Kolomoisky in Israel when he’d long since moved back to Ukraine.   Anyway, any warship coming out of those lakes is going to have to go through a chokepoint and will be easily located and targeted.
 
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 26 2025 20:56 utc | 112
 
Jams O’Donnell – the Ajax procurement problems might not be that significant, apart from the harmful effect they have on the crews.  And apart from the fact that it’s just another standard boondoggle.   Even if the design and construction of these machines were satisfactory that still leaves open the question of how useful this equipment is in the first place.  Dr North:-
 
“Since then, of course, we have had the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine which, with the advent of the cheap FPV “kamikaze” drone, has revolutionised warfare in a way that could not have been predicted even as late as 2014, and certainly not back in 2004 when the vehicle role and capabilities were defined.
 
“Some have argued that the vehicle’s additional armour would give it greater protection from drones then most armoured vehicles currently fielded, but this does not take account of the integrated Russian anti-armour measures.
 
“These are highly sophisticated, relying on a multi-layer combination of anti-tank mines, guided 152mm artillery munitions, and anti-tank guided missiles, which can be launched from the ground or, at long range, from helicopters flying in safe territory beyond the forward edge of the battle area, as well as a variety of attack drones.
 
“On a battlefield under constant and intense surveillance, a vehicle such as the Ajax, with a huge thermal, acoustic and radar signature, would be picked up within minutes of making an appearance and would be singled out for sustained attack as a priority target.”
 
https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/defence-the-ajax-distraction/
 
Yet all the major powers and all the minor powers who can afford it are turning out similar vulnerable hunks of metal  – land air and naval forces,  all increasingly easy to destroy or incapacitate  and from longer and longer ranges – as if these constraints did not exist!
 
And the Ukrainian war is the worst possible war to take as guidance for future wars.  The Ukrainians don’t have the ability to inflict much damage on Russian rear areas.  The Russians could devastate the entirety of Ukraine, rear areas, cities and all, and bring the war to a halt tomorrow but they choose not to.  They also choose not to attack weapons and ammunition dumps and logistics facilities outside Ukraine.  We’re not really watching any sort of real war over there.  We’re watching, as Peter AU1 pointed out, industrialised disposal of enemy forces and equipment, that in a very limited area and with very tight constraints.
 
These restrictions would not apply were there a war between Russia and Europe, or a war between the West and Russia run out of Europe.  Ports, transport systems, command centres, air bases and maintenance facilities, assembly points,  would be gone.  No need for WWII carpet bombing of cities either.  Food and energy distribution systems and services for those cities are fragile and vulnerable to pinpoint attacks even more crippling.
 
 That is what real war would mean today, not massive armed forces coming up against each other like some modern re-run of WWII.  Especially since any grouping of armed forces with their outmoded hunks of steel  would be lucky to get to a combat zone without getting destroyed on the way in.  And if the Americans were involved, as they’d have to be, they would be similarly vulnerable and would certainly go nuclear once those vulnerabilities were exploited.
 
For all that the crazies in Brussels and Berlin and London are talking war with Russia.  We have to remilitarise and build more tanks and guns and ships.  Military Keynesianism is to haul our derelict economies back to viability.  Who are they trying to fool?
 
Me, and millions upon millions like me.  We are to fall in line behind the crazies, tighten our belts, and man the ramparts for a war that will never be fought.  That is the true idiocy that lies behind the boondoggle that is Ajax.

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 27 2025 12:38 utc | 1

Ukraine is still losing: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/settlement-carnival-reaches-fever

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 27 2025 12:43 utc | 2

US mercenaries with German Schengen visas for Ukraine
 
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The United States has launched a campaign in the Philippines to recruit volunteers to fight on the side of the Ukrainian armed forces, with the German Embassy issuing Schengen visas, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Thursday.

 

“According to incoming information, US representatives have launched a campaign in the Philippines to recruit local citizens to fight on the side of the Ukrainian armed forces … Preference is being given to former employees of Philippine security agencies and retired military personnel. Applicants are promised a monthly salary of $5,000,” Zakharova told at a briefing.

 

The recruitment is carried out by US security agency from Florida, and before being sent to the conflict zone, the recruits undergo training under the supervision of US instructors and receive a German Schengen visa, the spokeswoman added

“A work Schengen visa is issued at the consular section of the German Embassy in Manila,” Zakharova said.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20251127/us-recruits-mercenaries-for-ukraine-in-philippines—russian-foreign-ministry-1123182874.html

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 12:50 utc | 3

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 12:50 utc | 3
The United States has launched a campaign in the Philippines to recruit volunteers to fight on the side of the Ukrainian armed forces
The Phillipine’s undertakers are probably already rubbing their hands.

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 27 2025 12:55 utc | 4

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 12:50 utc | 3The United States has launched a campaign in the Philippines to recruit volunteers to fight on the side of the Ukrainian armed forcesThe Phillipine’s undertakers are probably already rubbing their hands.
Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 27 2025 12:55 utc | 4
 
i doubt they’ll get enough to bury (and less reserves for china to deal with later)
 
meanwhile  understatement of the year
 
“frontlines are approaching an eventual breaking point, in large part due to increasingly extreme personnel shortages. ”
 
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/elite-ukrainian-brigade-commander-critical
 
One final thought (that maybe belongs in the open thread) , everybody and their cat is saying, troops cannot move into LOC because drones.
 
But whoever controls (or can stop the flow of) spice , controls the universe. How long would stocks last if/when china bans exports on all drones and dronable components? (of course china would probably reserve such measure for a scenario where it is directly involved, but…)
 
 

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 27 2025 13:26 utc | 5

Robert Barnes on the Duran – worth a listen. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/live/TG4syPQB4Bc?si=wUKsnNvwq4vBqZM8

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 27 2025 13:44 utc | 6

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 12:50 utc | 3
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And those (the US) are the ones willing to end the conflict…
Doublespeak.

Posted by: scc | Nov 27 2025 14:17 utc | 7

stolen from DD
 
Vladimir Putin on the successes of the Russian Armed Forces: ➡️3,500 Ukrainian soldiers are blocked on the left bank of the Oskol, some already “look like homeless”;➡️Krasnoarmeysk and Dimitrov are completely surrounded;➡️Volchansk is almost entirely in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces;➡️In Seversk, the Russian Armed Forces have occupied 1,700 buildings out of 8,000;➡️The Russian Armed Forces are advancing at a rapid pace in the north of Zaporozhye region, have reached Gulyaipole, and will continue further;➡️The Ukrainian Armed Forces may face a front collapse in the Zaporozhye direction;➡️The Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Krasnoarmeysk area are losing their most combat-ready units

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 27 2025 14:21 utc | 8

Now it’s official: Italy is extraditing a suspect in the Nord Stream attack to Germany.

According to media reports, Italy will now extradite to Germany the Ukrainian man arrested weeks ago who is alleged to have been involved in the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines. The legal back-and-forth had dragged on for about three months. The trial is now scheduled to take place in Hamburg.
 

German investigations into the 2022 explosion of the Nord Stream gas pipelines led to the arrest of a Ukrainian man in Italy about three months ago. The suspect has been in pretrial detention since then. The 49-year-old man has already been transferred to Hamburg by helicopter, escorted by German officials. As reported by ntv , the transfer has been confirmed by the Federal Prosecutor’s Office in Karlsruhe. The suspect is expected to be brought before the investigating judge in Karlsruhe today.
 
According to reports, the Ukrainian man, identified as Sergei K., spent most of his pre-trial detention in a high-security prison in Ferrara. During the past week, the suspect attempted to prevent his extradition to Germany by filing complaints with the Italian judicial authorities. He also went on a hunger strike for a time. However, last week Italy’s highest court reportedly approved his extradition.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 14:27 utc | 9

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/104649
Russia will stop hostilities when the Armed Forces of Ukraine leave the occupied territories – Putin ▪️If they do not leave, we will achieve it by military means, the president stressed. ▪️The number of territories to be returned is increasing, the pace is growing. ▪️Positive dynamics remain in all areas. ▪️Desertion in the Ukrainian army is very high, this can be seen even from the Western media, and there is hardly anything that can be done about it. ▪️The Armed Forces of Ukraine lost 47,5 thousand people in October. ▪️Putin did not rule out that the telephone conversations on Ukraine “leaked” to the media are fakes. Wiretapping is a criminal offense. ▪️There is a conflict of opinions between the collective West and the United States about what needs to be done to stop the hostilities. ▪️US sanctions against Lukoil and Rosneft came as a surprise to Moscow – it is not clear what these signals mean. ▪️The confiscation of Russia’s assets will have consequences. The government is developing a package of retaliatory measures.

Posted by: unnamed | Nov 27 2025 14:28 utc | 10

AXIOS has whitewashed Kirill Dmietriev right out of the planning stages of the 28-Point Plan.
 
“President Trump kickstarted the latest peace talks in Ukraine last week after Vice President Vance, with Secretary of State Marco Rubio, made the case that a new 28-Point Plan could bring a breakthrough, administration officials tell AXIOS.”
 
DJT and JD’s White House meeting on Nov. 18 —” unreported until now,” according to the media outlet — laid the groundwork for the subsequent Geneva talks “that have given the administration more hope than ever of stopping the war.
 
“During the White House strategy meeting, Trump recommended that U.S. Army Secretary  Dan Driscoll, a friend of Vance’s, take the proposal to Ukraine because he already was planning to visit Kyiv to assess its fighting capabilities and spirit, another source said.  The meeting was sandwiched in between events at the White House with Saudi Arabia’s leader, Mohammed bin Salman.
 
“Aside from the big decision to launch the plan, the Oval Office meeting resembled other Ukraine strategy sessions being held almost daily by phone — and at least weekly in person — by Trump’s inner circle.  Vance, Rubio, Chief of Staff Susie Wiles and special envoy Steve Witkoff are in the circle, joined recently by businessman Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law.   Witkoff and Kushner drafted the initial 28-point plan after employing a similar list for the Gaza peace talks, as Axios first reported.
 
“After Vance saw the document and consulted with Rubio, the two convened the White House meeting to get Trump’s sign-off.  “This wasn’t just a paper — it was a paper that would now trigger a process,” another source with knowledge of the matter said.   With Gaza, “the only way we got progress [was to] … memorialize it on paper. The only way we’re going to get a deal here is if we begin to put down on paper what a starting point for a potential deal could look like.”
 
“Ukrainian politicians, European officials and American critics of Trump panned the peace proposal, saying it gives Russia concessions it hasn’t earned.  When Rubio flew to Geneva over the weekend to hammer out more details of the plan with Ukraine, it helped trigger an explosion of online chatter and news articles that claimed there was a divide between Vance and Rubio on Ukraine. 
 
“One of the officials said: “There’s this false narrative that there are two competing teams — this Marco Rubio pro-Ukraine team, and then there’s JD Vance anti-Ukraine team. It’s just not true. … You can’t survive here in this administration if you take that approach. There’s only one team here.”
 
“Administration officials and advisers close to Vance and Rubio say the two have worked as a tag team throughout the process, a vestige of their time as friends and allies when they served together in the Senate.”
 
My thoughts:  This is an effort to smooth ruffled feathers, excise any Russian ideation or input from the 28-Point Plan and to remove grist from the rumor mill.
 
I’ve left the original AXIOS link embedded live, and it will take you to the first article about the 28-Point Plan.  That initial article featured a large photo of Dmitriev and Witkoff together, and it included plenty of info about Dmitriev.  Notice, however, w/ today’s article AXIOS has removed all mention of Dmitriev.  The entire initiative seems launched from a quite-united White House, belying any notions that a divisive element has wedged its way into the works.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 27 2025 14:39 utc | 11

unnamed@10………Russia will retaliate for the stolen assets……hmm…..like killing even more poor front line Bedrock Burger……another example of cheap back talk to ones partners……..yeah, I’m sure the sanctioning of Lukoil and Rosneft came as a shock…….. it’ll get better, I’m reading here that the US through Germany is standing up an International Terror Brigade…..bet that’ll shock the Russians too …..
 
Cheers M 
 
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 27 2025 14:46 utc | 13

According to media reports, Italy will now extradite to Germany the Ukrainian man arrested weeks ago who is alleged to have been involved in the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines. The trial is now scheduled to take place in Hamburg.

 
Uh oh. The court in Hamburg is quite notorious for a number of cases where raison d’état more or less obviously trumped due legal proceedings. Sometimes these cases would be handled here even if they’re technically outside of the legal jurisdiction, and they also kept involving the same judge (whose name now esacpes me).

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 14:47 utc | 14

Uh oh. The court in Hamburg is quite notorious for a number of cases where raison d’état more or less obviously trumped due legal proceedings. Sometimes these cases would be handled here even if they’re technically outside of the legal jurisdiction, and they also kept involving the same judge (whose name now esacpes me).
Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 14:47 utc | 14
 
so instead of a kangaroo court, an ostrich court?
 
stick head in sand and see nothing?

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 27 2025 14:54 utc | 15

There must be the neo-Nuremberg for the neonazis as soon as the SMO has s done. It will indict every single Collective Wasters supporters of the ‘to the last Ukrainian’
 
 
While VVP makes a comprehensive Q&A in Kyrgyzstan- I’m sure b and Karl will post on it in full so just a snippet about the Ukrop casualties in October – 47,000, he stated! 
 
The Blessed MariaZ nails it again: 
 
“On the international stage, the German political elite is represented by those who are proud of their Nazi ancestors. Like Annalena Baerbock, who currently sits in the chair of the UN General Assembly President.”
 
As part of :
 

‘💬 We have always believed that the place of material evidence of the crimes of the Third Reich, deservedly recognized in the verdict, is in museums and memorials. The victims of the Nazis, the Holocaust, and the genocide of the Soviet people deserve eternal respect and dignified remembrance.
 
What happened recently in Germany once again confirms the insincerity of the ostentatious repentance for the horrors of Nazism .
 
A private auction house in Neuss, North Rhine-Westphalia, has put up for auction (!) personal belongings of Holocaust victims and documents about executions and medical experiments in Nazi prisons.
 
How is it that this is still not prohibited by law?
 
The sale was originally planned to feature several hundred documents from the collection of a private researcher of Nazi Germany. According to the online catalog, the items included:
 
• anti-Jewish propaganda poster,
• documents on forced sterilization,
• the yellow star of the Buchenwald concentration camp… (I apologize, but I have to say this) “with signs of wear”
• Gestapo card with information about the execution of a ghetto prisoner in East Prussia in July 1942.
 
The starting price for the materials put up for auction was… 350 euros. Over two thousand years, the price of betrayal has been subject to deflation, not inflation. Yet the scale of the betrayal has remained the same.
 
A letter from an Auschwitz prisoner to his relatives cost… 180 euros. What do you call this? Unparalleled cynicism? There probably should be a term, but it doesn’t exist yet. How do you define, in human parlance, the profiteering from selling the innermost thoughts and feelings of people condemned to excruciating suffering? <…>
 
First they robbed and destroyed it, and 80 years later, Germany wanted to profit again from the evidence of its own crimes . For the second time, a human tragedy was turned into a commodity.
 
When this incident became public, official Berlin rushed to feign outrage and launched a frantic effort to minimize the damage to its image. Nothing can be undone. On the international stage, the German political elite is represented by those who are proud of their Nazi ancestors. Like Annalena Baerbock, who currently sits in the chair of the UN General Assembly President. We judge by our actions, that’s why we say so.
 
And this is no coincidence; it’s a pattern. After all, the same authorities and political elites in Germany have been turning their backs on the obvious tragedy of the failure to pay compensation to the victims of the Siege of Leningrad for many years , because they decided to base these payments solely on ethnicity.
 
Dividing the victims into those who are entitled to it and those who are not.
 
This is the same handwriting, indicating that the ideology of the Third Reich has not remained in the past .
 
This is confirmed by their previous decisions. For example, the decision not to recognize the genocide of the Soviet people .
 
 
We call on all who remain faithful to the decisions of the Nuremberg Tribunal to remember the bloody crimes of the Nazis and their accomplices and not allow the memory of the fallen to be humiliated.’
 
https://t.me/llordofwar/533209

 
 
It seems that the rats are going to blame each other as potus Pilate attempts to wash the USAians bloody hands and walk away.
 
 
The scapegoats being lined up to be thrown under the justice bus and even Bibi and the guaranteed end of the Entity in the Levantine with the Oil giants genocides of the last century. 
 
Not so fast Donny no trousers. 

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 27 2025 14:57 utc | 16

No draft of Ukraine peace deal yet – PutinThere is only a range of issues outlined in the US proposal to discuss, the Russian president has said
Russian President Vladimir Putin attends a narrow format meeting of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) summit at the Yntymak Ordo Presidential Administration in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan
 
No draft document on a Ukraine peace deal exists, as Washington has only outlined a list of issues to discuss, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said. However, Russia is ready to negotiate the US-proposed peace plan, he added.
 
The president made the remarks on Thursday during a press conference in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, which hosted a summit of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), a regional bloc bringing together several post-Soviet nations.
 
Asked by a journalist about the US-proposed peace plan to end the Ukraine conflict, Putin said that no draft document exists, only a range of issues outlined by Washington to discuss.
 
“In principle, we agree that this can become the basis of future agreements, but it would be impolite of me to talk about any final drafts now, since there are none,” the president pointed out.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 14:59 utc | 17

‘Legally impossible’ to sign peace treaty with Ukraine now – Putin
 
Moscow is, however, interested in reaching an agreement with Kiev at some point, the Russian president has reiterated
‘Legally impossible’ to sign peace treaty with Ukraine now – PutinRussian President Vladimir Putin talks to reporters after his visit to Kyrgyzstan, at the Yntymak Ordo Presidential Administration in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan.
Sealing a peace accord with Ukraine is “legally impossible” at present, Russian President Vladimir Putin has stated. He stressed that while Moscow would like to ink such an agreement eventually, the current Ukrainian leadership has lost all legitimacy by canceling elections.
Wrapping up his state visit to Kyrgyzstan with a press conference on Thursday, Putin stated that “it makes no sense to sign documents with the Ukrainian leadership – I have covered this topic many times already.”

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 15:00 utc | 18

@11
 
Rubio let the euros tank war mongers run all over Trump last Sunday in Switzerland?

Posted by: paddy | Nov 27 2025 15:09 utc | 19

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 27 2025 12:43 utc | 2
Simplicius seems to conflate a leaked putative Witkoff/Ushakov text, with a Dmitriev denial of a putative Dmitriev/Ushakov transcript from a couple weeks earlier.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Nov 27 2025 15:15 utc | 20

📝Critical Success📝
Russian troops have finally closed the ring of the largest encirclement this autumn: Pokrovsk is practically freed, Myrnograd is cut off, and AFU breakthrough attempts are drowning in the “kill zone” between the cities
🔻What’s happening in the direction?
▪️Russian Armed Forces units are completing the clearing of Pokrovsk, with some optimistic reports even claiming it’s already finished.
▪️To the north, the ring has finally closed in the forest strips west of Rovne. Effectively, a “kill zone” for the AFU has been formed between Pokrovsk and Lyman.
Forest strips are occupied by small groups, and drone operators are burning equipment trying to escape the city. Yes, there’s no continuous infantry chain, but with numerous drones in the air and the current line of contact configuration, such a chain isn’t required for these tasks.
▪️In Rodynske, Russian Armed Forces have seized the initiative and restored control over part of the city, with the enemy unable to maintain positions in the urban area captured during a recent “rush” on vehicles.
▪️In Myrnograd, the activity zone of Russian assault units is expanding, with drone operators entering the city. Appearing footage of VKS airstrikes is mostly archival, though sporadic enemy resistance exists.
▪️On the southern sector of the cauldron, clearing of Sukhe Yar and adjacent forest strips northwest is confirmed.
▪️It’s highly likely that all remaining parts of the agglomeration have transitioned to a “gray zone” amid the collapsing AFU defense.
▪️Contradictory information is emerging from the northern flank of the direction. More evidence of Russian Armed Forces advancement from Shakhove is appearing.
❗️Clearing Pokrovsk, Myrnograd, and satellite settlements will definitely take some time. Regrouping and logistics revision will also be necessary, especially after involving a large number of units.
📌 However, this doesn’t mean a halt to the offensive, and attacks on the approaches to Hryshyne and Shakhove are further proof. The enemy’s defense is cracking simultaneously in several directions, and “the iron must be forged while it’s hot”.
Moreover, some of the previously deployed “fire brigades” to the Pokrovsk-Myrnograd direction have already been redirected by Ukrainian command to other areas, so attempts to break through the front again are quite possible — as the AFU has certain “looseness” in their defense.

@Slavyangrad/TG

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 27 2025 15:16 utc | 21

I wish more people would scrutinize the premises that are discussed.
 
Why does Putin want a deal?
 
What can Putin take back to the Russian people and military that would be acceptable and would also be acceptable to the Neocons and banking elite?
 
I believe these two questions are essential to have answers for before anyone can say anything about deals.
 
This is the same analysis that I had a year ago, when I correctly stated that Trump would be unable to end the conflict.
 
Trump can’t overpower Russia and Russia gets stronger every day. Terrorism hasn’t worked, sanctions haven’t worked, diplomatic ostracism hasn’t worked.
 
As Trump is fond of saying, “he doesn’t have the cards.”
 
And yet we keep talking about something which has no mechanism by which it could occur.
 
Russia won. The West refuses to admit defeat, I think because, they need a new Cold War, a forever war to keep the political and military systems alive.
 
They are going to destroy every Ukrainian and every sucker in this. As they do, they make money and buy time. There is no peace settlement with Nazis or Colonizers. They must suffer abject defeat.
 
And that is in progress because the crushing hydraulic-like power of time and compound interest are stalking the West.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 15:17 utc | 22

Russia won. 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 15:17 utc | 22
 
Not yet, just a big step. So don’t get too cocky, but also expect setbacks! There are still many obstacles to overcome.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 15:29 utc | 23

15 – I suspect he’s a patsy anyway. The prime movers were likely the USA, Britain and possibly Poland. The first two certainly have naval assets capable of putting an underwater pipeline out of commission.

Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 27 2025 15:30 utc | 24

Posted from the last thread by: Clouds Of Alabama | Nov 27 2025 10:01 utc | 238
 
Government never seems to realise that the only way it can fire people is if they are hired and retained by the private sector. If that doesn’t happen then government just goes from paying people to do something, to paying people to do nothing. Hardly sensible.
 
 
<=Not really, government could suck the privatized portions of the private sector back into the government..  For example, government could take ownership, control and possession of the Network infrastructure it gave certain too big to fail companies, it could retract the privately owned energy franchises back into the possession and control of the government; it could take over the shipyards and build ships, it could take over the weapons factories and build weapons, it could take back the federal reserve.. etc. and then reassign those employees or make positions for them.
 
 
This won’t happen because privatization is the very process that denies people the democracies that their revolutionaries and politicians promised them. 
 
 
Alternatively it Government cared about the people in the nation it rules, it could invest in and create major new, or restart major old shut down, industries and use the fired government employees to learn the new trades they need to operate the industry. For example, America need steel mills but it is too expensive to start up, yet not nearly as expensive as a government contract to build a airplane that can’t fly or boat that does not float. Another example is these fired government employees could be paid to be the labor forces for building the nations highway system, railway system, and underground tunnel systems, etc..
 
 
 This won’t happen because government does not care about the people it governs.  
 

Posted by: snake | Nov 27 2025 15:32 utc | 25

15 – I suspect he’s a patsy anyway. The prime movers were likely the USA, Britain and possibly Poland. 
Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 27 2025 15:30 utc | 24
 
High probably a straw doll. The former investigation say, it was a British doing, with some help

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 15:34 utc | 26

It is important to remember, IMO, that what the West wants is the internal turmoil of Russia because they know they cannot defeat Russia militarily.
 
They wanted to cut away India. They wanted a wedge between China and Russia.
 
To exploit Russia as they have done many other places they have to sow division and to demoralize.
 
That’s their only play. They have been doing it for centuries. That is the colonization playbook.
 
Again, the West doesn’t want to compete militarily, they want to access Russian resources (including human resources) for cheap, so they can keep their debt game going.
 
Russia and China are very confident about who they are and what they represent. This is not like overthrowing Egypt or Pakistan.
 
Putin cannot compromise with Trump because that would create a fatal tear in Russian society. That, I believe, is why the West pumps out endless deal narratives. To make Putin seem weak by being reasonable, while placating the average Westerner from becoming demoralized themselves.
 
Putin has no pressing need to deal with the West. He’s winning and building a more resilient Russia. So long as he stays the course, the bodies of his enemies will eventually float down the river…
 
Trump, meanwhile, is in a race against time.
 
Europe is reaping the bitter harvest of Colonialism and a debt based economy. They are in and will remain in a kind of purgatory until they change or they collapse.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 15:37 utc | 27

Some updates on the peace deal.
 

  • 15:11 GMT

    Putin added that under the current conditions, the Ukrainian leadership “could hardly hope for a victory unless the election is rigged.”

  • 15:11 GMT

    It is “pointless” to sign any documents with the Ukrainian leadership, Putin has said. “I think the Ukrainian leadership made a strategic mistake when they declined to hold a presidential election, after which the president lost his legitimacy.”

  • 15:10 GMT

    Some Western experts who recognize the desperate condition of Ukraine’s forces are urging Kiev to make concessions out of concern that the front could otherwise collapse entirely, the Russian president said.

  • 15:10 GMT

    The Russian military has broken Ukrainian defenses in the northern part of Zaporozhye Region and is quickly advancing, Putin has said, adding that this success allows Ukrainian fortifications to the south to be bypassed.

  • 14:44 GMT

    Putin has dismissed media reports about Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov “falling out of grace,” saying the official is running his own schedule, which now revolves around preparing for engagement with the US.

  • 14:43 GMT

    Putin has warned that any EU decision to seize frozen Russian assets would damage the bloc’s reputation, adding that Moscow is already preparing a package of retaliatory measures should the move go ahead.

  • 14:43 GMT

    Putin has said he has had productive engagement with Witkoff, and that the two “had an understanding on what should be done to cease the hostilities.” However, he stressed that it would be bizarre to accuse Witkoff of “treating his counterparts too courteously,” given that amid the ongoing talks, the US sanctioned two Russian oil giants.
    Witkoff, he argued, is seeking to pursue diplomacy with Moscow, and it would be strange if he started using obscene language and scolding Russian officials.

  • 14:42 GMT

    Speaking about the frontline situation, Putin remarked that Ukraine’s main problem is the growing gap between its losses and replacements.
    According to the Russian president, Kiev lost 47,000 troops in October, but mobilized only around 16,500, with around 15,000 injured in action returning to the front. The situation for Kiev is also only worsening due to rampant desertion, he added.

  • 14:14 GMT

    Russia will cease hostilities once the Ukrainian troops leave the areas they now occupy, Putin said, adding: “And if they don’t, we will make them.” He also noted that Russian troops are increasing the pace of their advance across the entire front line.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 27 2025 15:38 utc | 28

Meanwhile EU big wig Kallas throws her weight around.
 
15:11 GMT

EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas reportedly сlashed with several MEPs over the controversial plan to use frozen Russian sovereign assets as collateral for a loan for Ukraine, Euractiv has reported, citing people present at a closed-door meeting.

 
“She reportedly denigrated official Belgian concerns to the point that lawmakers described her tone as “very condescending” and “incredible”“She [Kallas] wondered why Belgium was so worried. Which court was Russia going to go to? Which judge would ever rule for Russia on this?” the outlet’s source said.
Belgium – which hosts most of the frozen Russian funds – has for weeks been opposed to the scheme, demanding that all EU members should share the legal risks.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 27 2025 15:40 utc | 29

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 15:29 utc | 23
 
######
 
My analysis is not cocky.
 
Show me where it is wrong.
 
I was right in ’22 and I was right last year.
 
I remain right on both claims, which only continue to go as I said they would.
 
Not arrogance, understanding.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 15:41 utc | 30

@sean the leprechaun | Nov 27 2025 14:46 utc | 13

Russia will retaliate for the stolen assets……hmm…..like killing even more poor front line Bedrock Burger 

No, the retaliation will be expropriating western assets in Russia, there is still plenty. Most of it owned by private companies. They can ask their governments to bail them out.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 27 2025 15:44 utc | 31

Military Situation In Ukraine On November 27, 2025

Russian strikes destroyed targets in the Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, Sumy, Odesa, Zhytomyr regions
Russian Geran drones hit Velykodolynske in the Odessa region
The Russian army struck the Shakhtarska mine and the villages of Chaplyne and Petropavlivka in the Dnipropetrovsk region
The Russian offensive continues in the Seversk, Pokrovsk, Kupyansk, Dnipropetrovsk, and Zaporizhzhia directions
Russian forces advanced in the Volchansk direction
Russian forces advanced in the Pokrovsk direction
Russian forces advanced in the Liman direction
Russian forces advanced in the Guliaipole direction
Ukrainian losses amounted to approximately 1,660 troops over the past 24 hours.

 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 15:44 utc | 32

Posted by: LoveDumbass | Nov 27 2025 15:41 utc | 30
 
Your arrogance is without bounds; its does confirm that you are not a humble Muslim (1) but a bad joke.
 
1. The Quran does not only instruct the Prophet but instructs all believers not to over praise ourselves (53:32) ‘Therefore justify not yourselves”…(2)
 
2. https://islamonline.net/en/moral-teachings-of-islam-humility-dignity/
 

Posted by: canuk | Nov 27 2025 15:46 utc | 33

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 27 2025 15:44 utc | 31
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And sue EU or Belgium or any other Entity that stole the funds.
They already filed cases.

Posted by: scc | Nov 27 2025 15:54 utc | 34

canuk@33……..AI bot…….imo……fully integrated…..
 
Cheers M
 
 …….there are human qualities that AI bots will never master, the full range of human emotions: love, lust, empathy, compassion, humour, anger…..just to name a few……….
 
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 27 2025 15:59 utc | 35

@  persiflo | Nov 27 2025 14:47 utc | 14
 
a show trial in other words… 

Posted by: james | Nov 27 2025 16:07 utc | 36

@ EO .Nov 27 2025 12:38 utc. That was a fine analysis of a) what the next war in EU would  look like (missiles, drones to conduct pin-point attacks on  food, energy, transport infrastructure and military mfg’g and staging centers  .vs. big-iron tanks and artillery game across large land-mass) , and b) the situation of the people who will be ruined by that war, e.g.  the little people.
 
And we’re still aimed right  at another Russia war. The people are being sheep-herded right over the cliff, and the Globalists still have firm control over money supply, media, and government coercion mechanisms. 
 
That is where the problem is: the control of state  apparatus by these monsters (“elites” isn’t the right word, of course). 
 
How  do you pry their hands off the apparatus of the state? If Russia has  to do it, it’s too late; the destruction is going to be very much, and it’ll be the hapless little people getting destroyed again (Ukraine, 1.7 million people  dead or maimed, country wrecked for at least 2 generations).
 
Much attention needs to be applied, in a systematic and purposeful way, to wreck these monsters. There’s  not  that many of them. They have strategic vulnerabilities, like everyone else. What are they,  what’s  it take  to damage  _them_ and _only_ them?
 
What are the levers of power  and influence that the little  people  have access to, now or shortly? 
 
=== Separately, but quite relevant: Alex  Krainer and Nima Alkhorshid discuss the 28-point Peace Plan. Krainer, as always, brings enormous intellect and historical knowledge to the discussion. He describes the Peace Plan as having most of the fundamental components of a durable peace,  and getting Russia almost all  of  what  it wants. He sees the  plan  as a  significant  step in the right  direction.  Furthermore,  he sees  Trump backing the  EU elites  into a corner in order to open space for US-Russian cooperation later on. 

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 27 2025 16:07 utc | 37

EU Prepares For Military Confrontation With Russia – Senior Diplomat
 
https://tass.com/politics/2049827
 
“The European Union is preparing for a direct military confrontation with Russia, Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko said…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 27 2025 16:14 utc | 38

So, 2,000 meters to Andriivka is out on youtube now. Filmed during the 2023 counter-offensive from the perspective of the 3rd Azov  (always referred to in the film as 3rd assault brigade)
It’s very much worth the watch. Yes, it’s unabashedly pro-Ukraine and yes, there’s obvious curation of what/when/how things are shown, but it also makes a very honest attempt of showing “the reality on the ground”- their most elite unit spending months clawing through a few kilometers of forest just to re-take something that could once be called a village. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf4Cgy56slU

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Nov 27 2025 16:14 utc | 39

Europe is seriously considering the unthinkable: retaliation against Russia, – Politico ▪️After a series of “Russian provocations” – drones, GPS jamming and sabotage in NATO countries, the EU is discussing a response: cyber attacks on key facilities of the Russian Federation, snap exercises of the Alliance near the borders and its own information operations aimed at the inhabitants of Russia. ▪️This was told to the newspaper by 2 high-ranking European officials and three EU diplomats.

Posted by: lol urope | Nov 27 2025 16:21 utc | 40

@  English Outsider | Nov 27 2025 12:38 utc | 1
 
roger boyd – local moa fellow, has written an overview and mentions the AJAx boondoggle at the end of it.. title of the substack article is – 
UK 2010s And Ongoing Self Harming Austerity
Now Being Continued By The Conservative “Labour” Government

 

 

Posted by: james | Nov 27 2025 16:27 utc | 41

Your arrogance is without bounds; its does confirm that you are not a humble Muslim (1) but a bad joke.
 
Posted by: canuk | Nov 27 2025 15:46 utc | 33
 
#####
 
Allah will judge me, as we all will be. I am at peace with that.
 
Although I do take some satisfaction from the fact that my existence is driving you to research the truth.
 
Allah is the best of planners.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 16:28 utc | 42

Among regulars here, there is a broad consensus that Russia will win the war and should win the war. 
I’m worried about the post-war debate in the West. Many people including most influential people will say the West lost the war because it “lacked resolve”, “taco”, Putin having kompromat on Trump, et cetera. There is no recognition that Russia is in a stronger position (shorter supply lines, etc), has a stronger manufacturing economy, and that ethnic Russians made ght actually want to be part of Russia. That kind of fantasy can lead to problems down the road, like Germany after world war I concluding it would have won if not for Jewish/Bolshevik betrayal. 
See for example this post by someone who is nominally part of North America’s intellectual elite. 
https://x.com/CburgesCliff/status/1994045374491972001?s=20
In isolation it’s meaningless, but, it’s a common opinion. 

Posted by: Afro | Nov 27 2025 16:35 utc | 43

Re: Kaja Kallas
 
Doesn’t have a clue how many TRILLIONS would be pulled from the EU and US financial systems if the frozen Russian Assets were full on pillaged.  

Posted by: exile | Nov 27 2025 16:39 utc | 44

 ….  along, or tangential, or questioning the lines of some posters above, 
 
Ex-Spy Reveals: NATO’s Goal To Destroy Russia AND Europe | Rainer Rupp
 
at Neutrality Studies  (Pascal Lottaz)
 
https://tinyurl.com/2tv4tfzz

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 27 2025 16:45 utc | 45

They obviously want to provoke Russia into attacking, which would then trigger Article 5 and lead to nuclear war, because (as they think) the US would then step in to help, or escalate directly into nuclear war (in which case Russia would “naturally” be the aggressor).
It’s time for Russia to send some hazelnuts before these countries become too war-hungry.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 16:45 utc | 46

FYI this is fascinating for everyone here and a slap upside the head for tall he slo-mo whining trolls:
 
Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Pokrovsk Offensive – Every Day [MAY 1 – NOV 25 2025]
 
You can see the Russian strategy clearly choreographed and it’s brilliant, you can see the Russians pulling back repeatedly when they meet resistance, using it to form manageable fire bags to winnow the opposing force even more, it’s a tactic that requires patience and confidence. There’s no question that’s what you are witnessing.
 
You also see the AFU creating salients going south and eastwards obviously not to break out, guessing they were to stall or cause a panic and break the Russian advance, maybe to get more troops in from the west or for political points back in Kiev and for western media, buts even to me a lowly “lawn chair private” it seems bizarre, the NATO geniuses at work.
 
All I can figure is all that stuff about, “to the last Ukrainian” is evident here, attacks to nowhere, eastward where the Russians are limitless, these make some sense if they were to buy time for a general retreat westward but that never happened, maybe it was supposed to, so not so crazy but the Russians outplayed the AFU with great skill and exquisite timing, or the AFU outplayed itself following NATO commanders who still underestimate their opponents, and with no skin in the game.
 
BTW I don’t recall exactly, maybe Italian-Russian Nicolai Lilin, pointed out the ground breaking tactic of the Pokrovsk battle, Russians attacked small, not even on the squad level, but with hard to spot 2-3 men drone teams, their best, to find and destroy the AFU drone teams, slow and steady, feeding in more small drone teams once an area was cleared, over and over, then sending small infantry teams to clean up, again all about patience and persistence; it’s the first time a large fortified city has been taken in such a way. What you are seeing on the map was all pretty much done this way, Russians own drone warfare, one for the military schools.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 27 2025 16:51 utc | 47

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 16:45 utc | 46
 
#####
 
Why do they want nuclear war?
 
Do you subscribe to my theory that the elites are Zionist end-of-days psychopaths?
 
Or do you see some other reason why they want to destroy the world?
 
If they are not totally insane, I don’t see a motive.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 16:52 utc | 48

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 27 2025 15:44 utc | 31
Here is the thermonuclear bomb known to all real bankers:
All Western “plans” to seize Russian assets in the West are based on the assumption that Russia will do absolutely nothing in return.
(BTW, Russian assets blocked in the West are not “money in the bank”; these are non-liquid securities on the ledger – that is why all the talks are about the “collateral for loan” and not the outright seizure).
– All Western assets (money)  currently existing in Russian banks are not just sitting there; their owners (i.e.: Western companies) have already used all of them as collateral for operational loans from Western  banks (all companies do this regularly and routinely to make illiquid assets liquid for operational purposes). If/when Russia seizes these assets (possibly legally declaring “force majeure”), THE WHOLE WESTERN FINACIAL SYSTEM WILL COLLAPSE! (and this is not in any way hyperbole or overstatement). 
 

Posted by: kokopelli | Nov 27 2025 16:54 utc | 49

Why do they want nuclear war?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 16:52 utc | 48
 
No, they don’t “want” one; they still think that the US will help them in an Article 5 case, that Russia will then back down, and they will continue to provoke until they achieve this goal. Only if they are too successful and Russia responds with hazelnuts could the UK or France come up with the idea of expanding further, and at some point, if Russia believes its very existence is threatened, nuclear weapons could fly. They do not believe they could lose.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 17:01 utc | 50

What you are seeing on the map was all pretty much done this way, Russians own drone warfare, one for the military schools.
 
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 27 2025 16:51 utc | 47

 
Yes. This approach may change the face of urban warfare. House to house now done by drones.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 17:06 utc | 51

THE WHOLE WESTERN FINACIAL SYSTEM WILL COLLAPSE! (and this is not in any way hyperbole or overstatement).
Posted by: kokopelli | Nov 27 2025 16:54 utc | 49
 
No, they have a way out, just like after 1945:1) According to the American financial principle of paying debts with debt, they first inflate their interest burden to an unbearably high level.2) Then comes a “currency reform,” e.g., 1:1000, and then the debts are at a level that is bearable again.Everyone loses money, but the “elite” retain enough to maintain their position. As in 1945.
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 17:08 utc | 52

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 17:08 utc | 52
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Considering the abysmal level of debt of the US and almost all of EU, why didn’t they apply this option ?

Posted by: scc | Nov 27 2025 17:17 utc | 53

Addendum:
Countries that do not use the euro, primarily the UK and the US, are then immeasurably richer than the EU, which enables them to buy up everything.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 17:18 utc | 54

Considering the abysmal level of debt of the US and almost all of EU, why didn’t they apply this option ?
Posted by: scc | Nov 27 2025 17:17 utc | 53
 
The debts are not that high yet, and besides, it would be a difficult undertaking, since all the country’s money is worthless, and the US and UK would certainly not do that voluntarily.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 17:20 utc | 55

Posted by: scc | Nov 27 2025 17:17 utc | 53
#######
 
What is it with people asking good questions today? It is great.
 
Every claim should be scrutinized in pursuit of the truth.
 
I believe that the West is running out of options with all of the de-dollarization going on and the rise of trade outside of the dollar. I think that is why they cannot do a revaluation at this time.
 
I don’t see conditions improving any time soon, or ever at this point.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 17:27 utc | 56

US sanctions against Lukoil and Rosneft came as a surprise to Moscow – it is not clear what these signals mean.
Posted by: unnamed | Nov 27 2025 14:28 utc | 10
 
Now reports of the US recruiting soldiers in the Philippines to dump into the Ukraine. It is exquisitely quite clear (to me). Over here, the natives refer to the Yanks as ‘speaking with a forked tongue’… It seems nothing has changed after the harvest of all these years. ‘Agreement incapable’ is just the latest epithet. I find myself agreeing with commentary here (and Borrel) that this will be decided on the battlefield.

Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 27 2025 17:30 utc | 57

Russia has had the capability to take all of Ukraine since March of 2022 when it took out Ukraine’s air defenses. It decided not to because this “SMO” is more about teaching the West a lesson and rebalancing the world than it is about regaining territory.
Russia has demonstrated that it can fight indefinitely. Its supplies of men, armaments and new weapons is inexhaustible in comparison to the capabilities of the Western bloc. It has also rendered the base assumptions of western strategists wrong because – while battles can be won with new tech – you need men, and lots of them, to hold the gains.
The west can’t attract recruits, (see Germany and the US as examples), every country is over indebted and their arms manufacturers are locked into a high-cost/high-tech (corrupt) business model. The US specifically, is held hostage by its insurance, health, education and banking industries. All of these cabals long ago passed the point of offering any social value above and beyond their cost. Its male population is demoralized by extreme anti-male (straight) propaganda and a lack of decent job opportunities so they have little interest in fighting for a system that bullies them. The only thing that is keeping the US economy alive is ever increasing public borrowing.
But Russia will likely not want to humiliate the West because an implacable West is still extremely dangerous.  It would create generational resentment and would serve to galvanize their populations to fight. That would solve one of the West’s biggest problems for it (demoralization). Why would Russia want to d that? Also, If it goes for a maximalist strategy it risks a full on chaotic war between Belarus and Poland with Romania in the mix too. A shit show on its doorstep.
So Russia may offer some face saving “concessions” while leaving the – already in motion – mechanisms that will bring on Western financial collapse soon anyway. 
The US wants this war over, and now. So Putin will likely insist on his original 2022 terms but no more. the EU will bitch and moan and try their hardest to accelerate, but the US  will likely try find a way to cover the loss with distraction (Venezuela and Canada look ripe for a shakedown).

Posted by: VtObserver | Nov 27 2025 17:44 utc | 58

OPLAN DEU: This is Germany’s secret war plan against Russia
An American report reveals details of the “Operations Plan Germany.” It shows how the German Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) are logistically planning for a potential NATO war in the east and where they are reaching their limits.
When the Berliner Zeitung reported on the “Operations Plan Germany” in September, one thing was clear above all: In a crisis, the Federal Republic of Germany is to become NATO’s logistical hub. The secret OPLAN DEU defines how ammunition, soldiers, and military equipment will move through Germany, what role the capital will play, and which civilian structures the state can access in the event of tension or defense.
Now, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) provides new, very concrete insights into this plan. The newspaper describes a roughly 1,200-page secret document that was developed behind the walls of the Julius Leber Barracks in Berlin. According to the plan, OPLAN DEU envisions that in the event of war, up to 800,000 soldiers from Germany, the USA, and other NATO countries would be deployed across German territory to the eastern flank – with detailed routes via ports, rivers, railway lines, and highways.
Germany as a NATO Hub and Logistical Weak Point
The plan’s fundamental premise is clear: With the Alps forming a natural barrier, large NATO forces would have virtually no alternative route through Germany in a crisis. Regardless of where a conflict escalates – in the Baltic states, Poland, or further south – significant portions of the reinforcements would have to be transported to the eastern flank via German ports, railways, and highways. The Territorial Command of the Bundeswehr in Berlin is responsible for developing and updating OPLAN DEU.
The plan is explicitly formulated not as an offensive plan, but as part of a deterrent strategy. The goal is to prevent war through credible defense capabilities, ensuring that any potential aggressor assumes an attack on NATO territory is militarily hopeless, the WSJ quotes one of the officers involved as saying.
Ukraine Peace: Europe’s Counter-Proposal to the 28-Point Plan: These Are the Differences
Europe’s Counter-Proposal to the US Peace Plan: These Are the Crucial Differences
NewsAccording to the report, the planners’ biggest concern is not the number of tanks or soldiers, but rather whether Germany can even fulfill its logistical role. Decades of neglect have left deep scars: dilapidated highway bridges, overloaded railway lines, and ports with only a single connection to the hinterland.
An accident at the port of Nordenham illustrates the problem. In 2024, a cargo ship rammed a railway bridge there, the only rail link to the port, which is considered a central transshipment point for munitions deliveries to Ukraine. Shortly afterward, another ship damaged a temporary replacement bridge. No evidence of sabotage was found. Nevertheless, according to the Pentagon, some military transports had to be rerouted through Poland. This logistical bottleneck was seen as a warning sign in NATO circles.
The German government plans massive investments in the rail network and ports, some of which are explicitly designated for “dual use,” meaning military applications. However, according to the German Armed Forces, many of these expansions will take years.
Rheinmetall is building a “small town out of thin air.”
The report also shows how heavily the German Armed Forces have long relied on private companies to implement OPLAN DEU. A maneuver somewhere in eastern Germany, described by the Wall Street Journal, is particularly vivid: The arms manufacturer Rheinmetall reportedly erected a field camp for 500 soldiers within two weeks – complete with sleeping containers, 48 ​​shower cubicles, five gas stations, a field kitchen, drone surveillance, and armed security personnel who had been vetted for potential Russian or Chinese influence. After seven days, the camp was completely dismantled. A Rheinmetall manager told the newspaper that they were “building a small city out of thin air, only to dismantle it again after a few days.”
Rheinmetall received a supply contract worth approximately €260 million for this exercise. However, the exercise also revealed weaknesses: the site was too small, spread across several unconnected areas, and soldiers had to be transported back and forth by bus. Furthermore, a previous exercise had already shown that an additional traffic light was simply needed at a particular intersection to ensure the smooth flow of military convoys. According to the Wall Street Journal, all these findings are being incorporated as corrections into OPLAN DEU.
Hamburg as a test field: “Red Storm Bravo”
What the secret plan for a large city might look like became visible in Hamburg at the end of September. Under the title “Red Storm Bravo,” the German Armed Forces, police, fire department, and technical services rehearsed there.
or three days, the aid organization and port companies practiced civil-military cooperation. The German Armed Forces and Hamburg police emphasized that the exercise was explicitly based on OPLAN DEU.
According to reports, the simulation involved approximately 500 NATO soldiers landing in the port, forming convoys of dozens of vehicles, and driving east through the city at night. Disruptive tactics were also practiced, such as drone flights over the convoy and blocking access roads.
During the “Red Storm Bravo” exercise in Hamburg, a German Armed Forces soldier uses a portable HP 47 drone jammer alongside a RADIS radio reconnaissance system.
A German Armed Forces soldier uses a portable HP 47 drone jammer alongside a RADIS radio reconnaissance system during the “Red Storm Bravo” exercise in Hamburg. Tobias Schwarz/AFP
Demonstrators halt convoy
Even minor deviations disrupted the plan. According to the Wall Street Journal, observers criticized the excessive spacing between the vehicles, gaps into which civilian cars could theoretically have driven. When, in the scenario, demonstrators, played by reservists, glued themselves to the road, the soldiers were not permitted to intervene. The police, in turn, initially lacked the necessary means to quickly remove the individuals. In the end, after two hours, the convoy had covered barely ten kilometers.
The report paints a picture of a country that, while undergoing military restructuring, remains legally and organizationally in a state of peace. The number of sabotage incidents against infrastructure has risen significantly in recent years. German authorities have registered attacks on railway cables and signal boxes, and investigators have, in some cases, attributed responsibility to Russian intelligence services. Courts have convicted, among others, a man who allegedly planned attacks on railway lines and military installations on behalf of Moscow.
In a staged scene, reservists disguised as demonstrators block a convoy of approximately 70 Bundeswehr vehicles traveling through the city of Hamburg.
Reservists disguised as demonstrators blocked a convoy of German Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) vehicles, consisting of approximately 70 vehicles, in a staged scene through the city of Hamburg. Bodo Marks/dpaLegal Hurdles for Military Drones
At the same time, security authorities are encountering legal and practical limitations. Bundeswehr drones are subject to restrictions on their use over cities and must be equipped with position lights. While this serves flight safety, it complicates, for example, the covert surveillance of troop convoys in military operations. The Wall Street Journal quotes a representative of a drone manufacturer as saying that regulations that make sense in civilian operations “counteract the purpose in a military context.”
Intelligence services, in turn, are attempting to protect critical infrastructure against internal threats. According to the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), nearly 10,000 employee background checks were conducted last year at operators of sensitive facilities.
Officially, OPLAN DEU pursues a “national” approach. The German Armed Forces, federal and state authorities, municipalities, companies, and aid organizations are to work closely together in an emergency. The Territorial Command speaks of a “first comprehensive defense plan since the end of the Cold War,” which underwent a stress test with around 200 representatives from the federal and state governments at the Julius Leber Barracks in November 2024. The results of the stress test and what all this means specifically for the civilian population remain largely unclear.
OPLAN DEU and the consequences for the capital
In September, the Berliner Zeitung exclusively reported on an inquiry by Berlin representative Alexander King (Alliance Sahra Wagenknecht), who wanted to know what consequences OPLAN DEU would have for the capital. The Senate responded at the time that private property could be accessed in the event of tension or defense, citing the Federal Performance Act, the Protection Area Act, and the State Procurement Act. Vehicles, real estate, land, and theoretically even living space can be requisitioned, including compensation, but under the primacy of military necessity.
At the same time, it became clear how little protection currently exists: According to the Senate, not a single functioning public shelter remains in Berlin. Bunker facilities have been dismantled since 2008, and now the possibility of converting subway stations and train stations into emergency shelters is being examined. No concrete results are yet available.
King criticized the fact that parliament and the public could not access key planning documents in an interview with the Berliner Zeitung. As a result, decisions regarding infrastructure, hospitals, or potential conscription were virtually impossible to understand.
Moscow’s arms industry: Does Russia want to strengthen itself?
Make a move to attack NATO?
Abroad
In the background lies a threat scenario, clearly identified in the WSJ report: German planners assume that Russia could be capable of directly attacking NATO by the end of this decade at the latest. Politicians and military officials repeatedly cite 2029 as a reference point. At the same time, the paper points to a series of espionage cases, acts of sabotage, and airspace violations that Western intelligence agencies attribute to Moscow.
The German Armed Forces themselves, however, express considerable satisfaction with what has been achieved since the beginning of this era. “Considering that we started with a blank slate at the beginning of 2023, we’ve come a long way,” the WSJ quotes one of the plan’s authors as saying. OPLAN DEU is “a very sophisticated product” that is constantly being further developed.
Whether reality can keep pace with this document in a real emergency remains to be seen. One thing is clear, though: Germany’s Operations Plan is far more than just an abstract staff exercise. He intervenes in ports, transport routes, businesses, and hospitals – and thus in people’s everyday lives, long before a shot is fired. It is precisely at this intersection between secret war logistics and democratic public discourse that the debates of the coming years will have to take place.
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Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 17:48 utc | 59

OPLAN DEU: This is Germany’s secret war plan against Russia
An American report reveals details of the “Operations Plan Germany.” It shows how the German Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) are logistically planning for a potential NATO war in the east and where they are reaching their limits.
When the Berliner Zeitung reported on the “Operations Plan Germany” in September, one thing was clear above all: In a crisis, the Federal Republic of Germany is to become NATO’s logistical hub. The secret OPLAN DEU defines how ammunition, soldiers, and military equipment will move through Germany, what role the capital will play, and which civilian structures the state can access in the event of tension or defense.
Now, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) provides new, very concrete insights into this plan. The newspaper describes a roughly 1,200-page secret document that was developed behind the walls of the Julius Leber Barracks in Berlin. According to the plan, OPLAN DEU envisions that in the event of war, up to 800,000 soldiers from Germany, the USA, and other NATO countries would be deployed across German territory to the eastern flank – with detailed routes via ports, rivers, railway lines, and highways.
Germany as a NATO Hub and Logistical Weak Point
The plan’s fundamental premise is clear: With the Alps forming a natural barrier, large NATO forces would have virtually no alternative route through Germany in a crisis. Regardless of where a conflict escalates – in the Baltic states, Poland, or further south – significant portions of the reinforcements would have to be transported to the eastern flank via German ports, railways, and highways. The Territorial Command of the Bundeswehr in Berlin is responsible for developing and updating OPLAN DEU.
The plan is explicitly formulated not as an offensive plan, but as part of a deterrent strategy. The goal is to prevent war through credible defense capabilities, ensuring that any potential aggressor assumes an attack on NATO territory is militarily hopeless, the WSJ quotes one of the officers involved as saying.
Ukraine Peace: Europe’s Counter-Proposal to the 28-Point Plan: These Are the Differences
Europe’s Counter-Proposal to the US Peace Plan: These Are the Crucial Differences
NewsAccording to the report, the planners’ biggest concern is not the number of tanks or soldiers, but rather whether Germany can even fulfill its logistical role. Decades of neglect have left deep scars: dilapidated highway bridges, overloaded railway lines, and ports with only a single connection to the hinterland.
An accident at the port of Nordenham illustrates the problem. In 2024, a cargo ship rammed a railway bridge there, the only rail link to the port, which is considered a central transshipment point for munitions deliveries to Ukraine. Shortly afterward, another ship damaged a temporary replacement bridge. No evidence of sabotage was found. Nevertheless, according to the Pentagon, some military transports had to be rerouted through Poland. This logistical bottleneck was seen as a warning sign in NATO circles.
The German government plans massive investments in the rail network and ports, some of which are explicitly designated for “dual use,” meaning military applications. However, according to the German Armed Forces, many of these expansions will take years.
Rheinmetall is building a “small town out of thin air.”
The report also shows how heavily the German Armed Forces have long relied on private companies to implement OPLAN DEU. A maneuver somewhere in eastern Germany, described by the Wall Street Journal, is particularly vivid: The arms manufacturer Rheinmetall reportedly erected a field camp for 500 soldiers within two weeks – complete with sleeping containers, 48 ​​shower cubicles, five gas stations, a field kitchen, drone surveillance, and armed security personnel who had been vetted for potential Russian or Chinese influence. After seven days, the camp was completely dismantled. A Rheinmetall manager told the newspaper that they were “building a small city out of thin air, only to dismantle it again after a few days.”
Rheinmetall received a supply contract worth approximately €260 million for this exercise. However, the exercise also revealed weaknesses: the site was too small, spread across several unconnected areas, and soldiers had to be transported back and forth by bus. Furthermore, a previous exercise had already shown that an additional traffic light was simply needed at a particular intersection to ensure the smooth flow of military convoys. According to the Wall Street Journal, all these findings are being incorporated as corrections into OPLAN DEU.
Hamburg as a test field: “Red Storm Bravo”
What the secret plan for a large city might look like became visible in Hamburg at the end of September. Under the title “Red Storm Bravo,” the German Armed Forces, police, fire department, and technical services rehearsed there.
or three days, the aid organization and port companies practiced civil-military cooperation. The German Armed Forces and Hamburg police emphasized that the exercise was explicitly based on OPLAN DEU.
According to reports, the simulation involved approximately 500 NATO soldiers landing in the port, forming convoys of dozens of vehicles, and driving east through the city at night. Disruptive tactics were also practiced, such as drone flights over the convoy and blocking access roads.
During the “Red Storm Bravo” exercise in Hamburg, a German Armed Forces soldier uses a portable HP 47 drone jammer alongside a RADIS radio reconnaissance system.
A German Armed Forces soldier uses a portable HP 47 drone jammer alongside a RADIS radio reconnaissance system during the “Red Storm Bravo” exercise in Hamburg. Tobias Schwarz/AFP
Demonstrators halt convoy
Even minor deviations disrupted the plan. According to the Wall Street Journal, observers criticized the excessive spacing between the vehicles, gaps into which civilian cars could theoretically have driven. When, in the scenario, demonstrators, played by reservists, glued themselves to the road, the soldiers were not permitted to intervene. The police, in turn, initially lacked the necessary means to quickly remove the individuals. In the end, after two hours, the convoy had covered barely ten kilometers.
The report paints a picture of a country that, while undergoing military restructuring, remains legally and organizationally in a state of peace. The number of sabotage incidents against infrastructure has risen significantly in recent years. German authorities have registered attacks on railway cables and signal boxes, and investigators have, in some cases, attributed responsibility to Russian intelligence services. Courts have convicted, among others, a man who allegedly planned attacks on railway lines and military installations on behalf of Moscow.
In a staged scene, reservists disguised as demonstrators block a convoy of approximately 70 Bundeswehr vehicles traveling through the city of Hamburg.
Reservists disguised as demonstrators blocked a convoy of German Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) vehicles, consisting of approximately 70 vehicles, in a staged scene through the city of Hamburg. Bodo Marks/dpaLegal Hurdles for Military Drones
At the same time, security authorities are encountering legal and practical limitations. Bundeswehr drones are subject to restrictions on their use over cities and must be equipped with position lights. While this serves flight safety, it complicates, for example, the covert surveillance of troop convoys in military operations. The Wall Street Journal quotes a representative of a drone manufacturer as saying that regulations that make sense in civilian operations “counteract the purpose in a military context.”
Intelligence services, in turn, are attempting to protect critical infrastructure against internal threats. According to the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), nearly 10,000 employee background checks were conducted last year at operators of sensitive facilities.
Officially, OPLAN DEU pursues a “national” approach. The German Armed Forces, federal and state authorities, municipalities, companies, and aid organizations are to work closely together in an emergency. The Territorial Command speaks of a “first comprehensive defense plan since the end of the Cold War,” which underwent a stress test with around 200 representatives from the federal and state governments at the Julius Leber Barracks in November 2024. The results of the stress test and what all this means specifically for the civilian population remain largely unclear.
OPLAN DEU and the consequences for the capital
In September, the Berliner Zeitung exclusively reported on an inquiry by Berlin representative Alexander King (Alliance Sahra Wagenknecht), who wanted to know what consequences OPLAN DEU would have for the capital. The Senate responded at the time that private property could be accessed in the event of tension or defense, citing the Federal Performance Act, the Protection Area Act, and the State Procurement Act. Vehicles, real estate, land, and theoretically even living space can be requisitioned, including compensation, but under the primacy of military necessity.
At the same time, it became clear how little protection currently exists: According to the Senate, not a single functioning public shelter remains in Berlin. Bunker facilities have been dismantled since 2008, and now the possibility of converting subway stations and train stations into emergency shelters is being examined. No concrete results are yet available.
King criticized the fact that parliament and the public could not access key planning documents in an interview with the Berliner Zeitung. As a result, decisions regarding infrastructure, hospitals, or potential conscription were virtually impossible to understand.
Moscow’s arms industry: Does Russia want to strengthen itself?
Make a move to attack NATO?
Abroad
In the background lies a threat scenario, clearly identified in the WSJ report: German planners assume that Russia could be capable of directly attacking NATO by the end of this decade at the latest. Politicians and military officials repeatedly cite 2029 as a reference point. At the same time, the paper points to a series of espionage cases, acts of sabotage, and airspace violations that Western intelligence agencies attribute to Moscow.
The German Armed Forces themselves, however, express considerable satisfaction with what has been achieved since the beginning of this era. “Considering that we started with a blank slate at the beginning of 2023, we’ve come a long way,” the WSJ quotes one of the plan’s authors as saying. OPLAN DEU is “a very sophisticated product” that is constantly being further developed.
Whether reality can keep pace with this document in a real emergency remains to be seen. One thing is clear, though: Germany’s Operations Plan is far more than just an abstract staff exercise. He intervenes in ports, transport routes, businesses, and hospitals – and thus in people’s everyday lives, long before a shot is fired. It is precisely at this intersection between secret war logistics and democratic public discourse that the debates of the coming years will have to take place.
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Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 17:48 utc | 60

Can a German plan be secret if it is posted on MoA?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 17:51 utc | 61

@exile | Nov 27 2025 16:39 utc | 44
Would you care to tell me more about those triilons?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 27 2025 17:54 utc | 62

How close is Russia to liberating Odessa? Weeks? Months? Years?

Posted by: Dave G | Nov 27 2025 17:56 utc | 63

Can a German plan be secret if it is posted on MoA?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 17:51 utc | 61
Obviously didn’t even read it, just reacted to keywords, but started babbling anyway. = Troll bot

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 17:56 utc | 64

I think we can state that Pokrovsk is no more. Now it’s Krasnoarmeysk.

Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 27 2025 17:57 utc | 65

How close is Russia to liberating Odessa? Weeks? Months? Years?
Posted by: Dave G | Nov 27 2025 17:56 utc | 63
 
My estimate (best bit, no worse case): consolidate current goals until April. Then 6 months in Odessa (very hard), then continue northwest.
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 17:59 utc | 66

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 17:56 utc | 64
 
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Why did you post (double post) the title if you don’t stand by it?
 
I will never understand people who cry when one points out their performative contradictions.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 18:00 utc | 67

In response to LoveDonbass@22,
 
A deal would formalize whatever the arrangement is. Putin may be in the driver’s seat, able to take the car wherever he likes, regardless of protestations, but he’s still interested in having proof of ownership — there are always viable alternatives for whatever one has in mind, but documents and formal agreement between parties makes things a lot easier. Putin wants his opponents or interlocutors operating within a common framework of their own volition, which regardless is a precondition for an end to the conflict. And, naturally, not any framework would do, but has to be one that specifically addresses the reasons for the conflict to the satisfaction of all sides.
 
A better question is: Why doesn’t Europe or the West in general want a deal, a formal resolution to the conflict? I’m betting everyone to a man at this bar will say that the West can’t be trusted to uphold any agreement made, and if that’s the case, then why wouldn’t they accept basically any agreement in order to get what they want short-term, and then break it at the first available opportunity? What has changed between now and 2015 that Europe completely lost interest in attempting a repeat of the Minsk format? Is it just a question of optics, of lacking the political capital to be seen to capitulate to Russian demands, of having woven an all-pervasive narrative that makes any concession impossible, or is it deeper than that? In my mind, globalist servants are meant to be team-players, ready to fall on their sword and stain their public image without hesitation, when and if the call to do so, for the greater good, is broadcast out, so I don’t feel satisfied with that as the main explanation.

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 27 2025 18:07 utc | 68

Posted by: Dave G | Nov 27 2025 17:56 utc | 63
 
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We don’t know that Russia will liberate Odessa. They don’t need to.
 
Much of the focus by laymen is on Odessa for sentimental reasons and for Transnistria.
 
If Odessa falls to Russia in 2 hours or 2 years, how will that meaningfully benefit Russia?
 
It is possible that the SMO goes on for years. There is no upside to ending it without the goals fully complete. Capturing Odessa was never a stated goal. Capturing Kiev was also not a goalThe goals say little about territory.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 18:09 utc | 69

LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 18:09 utc | 69
If Russia liberates Odessa, it will stop the Brits from using the place as a base for their spooks and special forces.

Posted by: Dave G | Nov 27 2025 18:12 utc | 70

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 27 2025 18:07 utc | 68
 
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It takes two to make a deal. That has been a key part of my thesis from last year.
 
No deal can be made without Russia.
 
I think the presumption that Putin wants a deal and will be willing to go back on what he has told the Russian people is shaky at best.
 
There is no metaphorical gun to Putin’s head. He can take his time. Russian casualties have been decreasing as Russia has continued to optimize tactics to preserve their men.
 
All of the pressure is on the West.
 
Russia can do this for a decade. America and NATO cannot.
 
As always, power rules. America and Europe can want anything, dream anything.
 
What is real is what they can accomplish.
 
And the Western powers increase have little capacity to make their ambitions real.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 18:30 utc | 71

Increasingly 

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 18:31 utc | 72

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 27 2025 15:40 utc | 29
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The very fact that despite all the warnings from IMF, from Euroclear, from the Belgian government an from many other, those fuc#$#* still insist and plan to seize the Russian assets show that they all have lost their minds. How far are they ready to go to save their proxy?

Posted by: scc | Nov 27 2025 18:33 utc | 73

French and Israel intelligence agencies are threatening to murder Witkoff. The situation for Ukraine and by extension to Nato/EU must be much worse than anyone can imagine.
 
https://x.com/baronitaigas/status/1993957206837035036

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 27 2025 18:36 utc | 74

@lovedonbass 22
Quote “There is no peace settlement with Nazis or Colonizers. They must suffer abject defeat.”
Exactly.but Russia must concentrate on killing one enemy only -rngland the architecture of Ukraine, Syrian, Iraq wars.combined west will not do England must be attacked and pulverised .
Putin along with his stupid FM lavrov have been too lenient towards English pirates..like here 
Quote ” 
Who resurrected nato?
The Syrian Arab Army was on a roll and ready to take back Idlib but were stopped by Putin to appease Anglos. Moreover in the February of 2016 Syrian army was on verge of big victory but then Russian ambassador to UNO Mr Churchin said harsh words about president Assad pressing him for ceasefire. That traitor churchin was man of foreign minister Lavrov the traitor. Then Lavrov started calling Assad names and Putin announced falsely that mission was accomplished and that russian job was finished therefore Russian Army will go back to Russia, so in this way Putin stopped win of Syria just to please anglosaxons in the same way he had stopped massacre of British mercenaries in the enclave of Debalso in Donbass in Feb 2015.Putin today is getting return of his treachery to his allies .
In the same way that sergie Lavrov pressurised then Russian president Medvedev to backstab president Gaddafi and leave Libya to be sanctioned and destroyed by Anglo pirates. This way Lavrov dog singularly resuscitated the then moribund NATO”

Posted by: sam | Nov 27 2025 18:42 utc | 75

Posted by: Dave G | Nov 27 2025 18:12 utc | 70
 
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Or, given that Odessa is a hub of partisan activity, allows the Russians to monitor and attrit their enemies.
 
Russia has been persistently sinking NATO supply ships near Odessa for over a year.
 
If I know my enemy is coming from one direction, I know which way to point my guns.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 18:44 utc | 76

French and Israel intelligence agencies are threatening to murder Witkoff.
 
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 27 2025 18:36 utc | 74
 
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Not the behavior of winners.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 18:45 utc | 77

So much wasted effort in this thread on a total fantasy “peace deal” and a likewise total fantasy “Oplan” featuring a country that can’t even secure its critical infrastructure nor its own borders, but is trying hard to stay relevant by buying sympathy with printed money.  Thanks for the entertainment.

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 27 2025 18:51 utc | 78

The very fact that despite all the warnings from IMF, from Euroclear, from the Belgian government an from many other, those fuc#$#* still insist and plan to seize the Russian assets show that they all have lost their minds. How far are they ready to go to save their proxy?
Posted by: scc | Nov 27 2025 18:33 utc | 73
 
Sounds good. Seize away as Kallas would berate. Lessons from my early youth include hot stove elements and sockets probed with forks- lessons learned (and remembered) from decades ago. I seem to recall Jared Diamond intoning that civilization collapse was in part that decision makers not having any skin in the game- no feedback to bad decisions. Maybe this is a way to provide feedback. It does seem long overdue.

Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 27 2025 18:52 utc | 79

Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 27 2025 18:52 utc | 79

Try putting yourself into their sorry shoes.  Russia didn’t take the bait on so many occasions over the last 15 years.  They are max desperate to finally get a reaction.  Just one little tiny reaction, pleeeeeeease Herr Putin 🥺

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 27 2025 18:59 utc | 80

A fight near Kupyansk: NATO vehicles tried to push toward the city by crossing the Oskol River. Russian troops of the 68th division keep hitting any Kiev forces trying to reach the liberated city in Kharkov region. Pilots do not let them get close and take out all their equipment.

 

https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1993923156340244858

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 27 2025 19:01 utc | 81

A small point for all commenters. ОРЕШНИК (ORESHNIK) is not a hazelnut, that’s ФУНДУК (FUNDUK). It’s hazel tree. Same as БУК (BUK) is beech tree.

Posted by: Peter Williams | Nov 27 2025 19:10 utc | 82

Re: seizure of Russian financial assets, I can see the ECB having a big say in this, pointing out the jeopardy for the € currency and the risk of completely blowing up what little already remains of European economies, as foreign holders of € assets get “the hell out of Dodge”.
 
After all, with a declining industrial base, expensive and scarce energy resources/supplies, why not add an acceleration of currency collapse to the mix?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 27 2025 19:18 utc | 83

Frau Freeland is back in her ancestral homeland once again and was rewarded with an audience with the King of Korruption. Was the topic how much she was to receive in kickbacks from whatever Canadians donate to the reconstruction cause?
https://x.com/cafreeland/status/1993867222809268711
 

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 27 2025 19:18 utc | 84

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 27 2025 19:18 utc | 83

I’m pretty sure they won’t do it.  However, the complicit EU mainstream media will save the faces of these fools once again and paint it as a way of making Russia pay, bombarding their readers with “if”, “could”, “likely” and a flood of pundit statements — and the electorate will believe Russia will be paying just as it believes Ukraine is winning.

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 27 2025 19:26 utc | 85

How far are they ready to go to save their proxy?
 
Posted by: scc | Nov 27 2025 18:33 utc | 73
 
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Increasingly it appears that the EUrocrats are less interested in their Ukronazi proxy, and more interested in sweetheart deals for themselves personally and their favorite corporations.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 27 2025 19:28 utc | 86

Peter Williams | Nov 27 2025 19:10 utc | 82
 
Thanks, “Oreschnik” is Wiki, the other is autotranslate mistake and my laziness in correcting that

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 19:32 utc | 87

I’m pretty sure they won’t do it

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 27 2025 19:26 utc | 85
 
Yes, agreed, I also think it will be the ECB that finally calls a halt to any such moves, even if they don’t do it publicly; behind the scenes they will be giving the ‘leadership’ full and gory details of the geo-economic fallout from such a seizure.
 
As you say, the MSM will continue to use their favourite spin-words: if , could, maybe, likely, possibly, Putin under pressure, Russian economy etc.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 27 2025 19:39 utc | 88

Russia Will Not Be in Situation When US Conducts Nuclear Tests and Moscow Does Not – Putin
BISHKEK (Sputnik) – Russia cannot find itself in a situation where the United States conducts nuclear tests while Moscow spends another year and a half preparing for them, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday.
“Preparing for real nuclear weapons tests takes time, and we certainly cannot find ourselves in a situation where the United States will test it, and we will be preparing for it for another year and a half. Well, of course, we have to think about it already.
We did not say that, but we have to be prepared for any eventuality. And, I assure you, we will be ready,” Putin told reporters after his visit to Kyrgyzstan.
Russia will raise the issue of US preparations for nuclear tests in upcoming bilateral talks, Putin said.
In late October, US President Donald Trump said that he had instructed the Department of War to immediately resume nuclear testing. He then specified that his order was due to “others doing testing” and it was “appropriate” for the US to keep up.
A US nuclear weapons test, if conducted, would mean the end of a long-standing ban on nuclear testing, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on November 13, adding that Putin had repeatedly stated that if other countries were to conduct nuclear tests, Russia would act accordingly.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 19:43 utc | 89

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 27 2025 19:26 utc | 85
 
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I think it is worthwhile to remember that the electorate in the West tends to be older and not net savvy.
 
Whatever TV says is their reality. Then when the grocery stores are empty they will find a scapegoat. Politician, minority, Russians, whatever.
 
China and Russia have a not insubstantial class of “netizens” who are exposed to more opinions and sources. That makes it hard to sell them falsehoods.
 
We only know what we have been exposed to. That is why limiting and curating news sources is a priority for most regimes.
 
If you don’t know Trump was a party buddy with Epstein in NY, you might think Epstein stuff is a bad guy (Democrat) conspiracy. After all, that is what the TV says…
 
I don’t see things turning out well in Europe for the next generation or so. Inflexible and incurious people are selecting leadership. The same goes across most of the West.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 19:50 utc | 90

@ Peter Williams | Nov 27 2025 19:10 utc | 82
 
My Русско-английский Словарь (766 pages, Moscow, 1975) offers three definitions: nut-tree; hazel (as in the nut-tree genus); and nut-grove. Judging by the way the Oreshnik distributes its payload, I think the last of these seems especially appropriate.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 27 2025 19:51 utc | 91

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 27 2025 12:38 utc | 1
 
It’s not so much that one weapon is a failure – it’s that the ‘west’ is now incapable of producing effective weapons. There is a long, long list of such – just to stick with the UK there is also the weak Type 45 destroyers and the non-working aircraft carriers and the very obsolete tanks. Then take Germany – evidently when a German frigate was sent to combat Ansar Allah they ran out of missiles – they then found that the company making them had stopped doing so! Then the USA – it would take practically a book to catalogue all the failures there – but that is mainly because they ‘produce’ most of the wests weapons. The fact is that all these western societies are in a state of decadence, brought about by 150 years or so of ‘Liberalism’. No longer able to fight, or keep up living standards, or even to recognise reality, all they can do is propagandise every aspect of government. Luckily for them, talk is cheap.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 27 2025 19:56 utc | 92

China and Russia have a not insubstantial class of “netizens” who are exposed to more opinions and sources. That makes it hard to sell them falsehoods.
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 19:50 utc | 90
 
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I remember riding buses and the Metro in Moscow in the mid-1980s and was astonished to see that just about everyone was reading. That makes a huge difference, especially wrt a populace that had learned to read between the lines of state propaganda. 

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 27 2025 19:57 utc | 93

On the name Oreshnik – I am reminded of cork screw hazel, also in the way the missile is delivered; assuming it has indepently maneuverable MIRVs with ballistic submunitions. Fun fact: hazel twigs are traditionally used to pat a friend’s back in the Sauna.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 20:14 utc | 94

Whatever TV says is their [westerners’] reality.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 27 2025 19:50 utc | 90

It’s not that simple.  Many Westerners know that their mainstream media is twisting the facts and that journalism is flawed in many ways.  Let me put it like this: Hitler and Goebbels didn’t have to reinvent the wheel for their agitation campaigns against whichever minority de jour and against the final boss, Russia.  They could feed off age-old prejudice and popular “feelings”, all they had to do was to trigger it.
 
Contemporary Western media works on the same tried and proven principles as described by Bernays, adjusted for the taste of our time: subtle, not direct; vague in circumstance, not clear in claim; with a narrative off-ramp, not bashing the head through the wall (they leave that to their select pundits).  And it still works, because Putin is “KGB”, Russia is the USSR, a red nightmare, and we, NATO, are the good guys.  Now, that’s simple 🙂

Posted by: Nervous German | Nov 27 2025 20:15 utc | 95

Frau Freeland is back in her ancestral homeland once again and was rewarded with an audience with the King of Korruption. Was the topic how much she was to receive in kickbacks from whatever Canadians donate to the reconstruction cause?https://x.com/cafreeland/status/1993867222809268711 Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 27 2025 19:18 utc | 84
 
It seems we have a NAZI infestation here in the Great White North- I can’t imagine the clapping clowns in Parliament showing their faces in public after giving standing ovations to both a Bandera NeoNazi, and an old school Nazi. Most vile. It remains unclear how to excise this most wicked ideology from our shores. It is most disheartening to see these people represent this country.

Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 27 2025 20:28 utc | 96

My Русско-английский Словарь (766 pages, Moscow, 1975) offers three definitions: nut-tree; hazel (as in the nut-tree genus); and nut-grove. Judging by the way the Oreshnik distributes its payload, I think the last of these seems especially appropriate.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 27 2025 19:51 utc | 91
No, walnut tree!

How do the fruits of the walnut tree, the nuts, fall?

Compare this to the familiar images of the attack… Like nuts falling, unpredictably when and where each nut falls.

Posted by: Genesis | Nov 27 2025 20:29 utc | 97

As a result of Gagarin’s triumphant flight, in 1961, the Kennedy Administration chargedNASA to achieve the goal of “landing a man on the Moon and returning himsafely to the Earth before the end of the decade.”
 
U.S. Congress, Senate Committee on Aeronautical and Space Sciences, Documents onInternational Aspects of the Exploration and Uses of Outer Space, 1954–1962, 88th Cong., 1stsess., S. Doc. 18 (Washington, DC: GPO, 1963), pp. 202–204

 
This is not how I would approach such things.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 27 2025 20:31 utc | 98

Continuing my compendium of all the brilliant predictions made on this blog. Will I still be censored, even though I’m just restating content which is openly available ? 
 
 

Posted by: Micron | Nov 27 2025 20:34 utc | 99

My translator is having some problems with plants: It’s confusing hazelnut bush with walnut tree.
 
У моего переводчика возникли проблемы с растениями: Он путает куст фундука с ореховым деревом.
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 27 2025 20:36 utc | 100