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November 23, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-270
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Ukrainians and white house BJs. Posted by: Jason | Nov 23 2025 21:08 utc | 102 In the end though, I suppose that “28” versus “24” is just another blatant example of the West negotiating with itself. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 21:13 utc | 103 Alexander Mercouris: ‘US Warns EU Kiev Lose War’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 23 2025 21:15 utc | 104 The ONLY intention of this crappy plan is a CEASEFIRE! An unconditional one.
From the EU 24p plan:
That’s their dumb trick with the exact same idiotic stuff from months ago, just dressed up in some kind of transatlantic mega-psyop. Good continent vs. bad continent or whatever kindergarten theatre they’re playing right now. Posted by: Zet | Nov 23 2025 21:17 utc | 105 Ooops, sorry, for the missing newlines. I don’t have figured out how this new commenting system works. Posted by: Zet | Nov 23 2025 21:18 utc | 106 DH: Maria Zakharova Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 23 2025 21:18 utc | 107 Danny Haiphong Zakharova Interview (corrected) Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 23 2025 21:22 utc | 108 Anyway this war is drawing to a rapid conclusion…..on to Odessa. Posted by: mrh | Nov 23 2025 21:32 utc | 109 “EU is cracking and folding. They invited Russia back to G8. Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 21:43 utc | 110 Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 20:13 utc | 78 “You’re Not Fighting, You’re Dying”: Why Ukraine’s Collapse is Inevitable
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2025 21:45 utc | 112 “Danny Haiphong Zakharova Interview (corrected)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayTLqbpAFEc Posted by: The Painter | Nov 23 2025 22:04 utc | 113 Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 17:48 utc | 44 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 23 2025 22:05 utc | 114 Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 21:43 utc | 110 Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 23 2025 22:14 utc | 115 @ The Painter | Nov 23 2025 22:04 utc | 112 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 22:20 utc | 116 High heels dancer Selensky talks about a difficult choice between dignity or the loss of an important partner. XD
Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 23 2025 22:27 utc | 117 Vacuum bomb hitting AFU remnants in Myrnograd high-rise building. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2025 22:30 utc | 118 Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 23 2025 22:27 utc | 116
Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 23 2025 22:27 utc | 116 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 22:33 utc | 120 In the meantime, the EU/UK have fallen into the trap prepared for them. They will (must, really) derail Trumps plan, so instead of Russia being blamed for not taking up the poisoned chalice, they will be fairly and squarely in the frame, allowing Russia to continue winning, and Trump to walk away, complaining bitterly about his ‘allies’. Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 23 2025 22:41 utc | 121 The US/UK/EU/NATO are reaping the fruits of their strategies, like someone who has sown seeds in the desert. Posted by: BlindSpot | Nov 23 2025 22:49 utc | 122
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 23 2025 22:41 utc | 120
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 22:55 utc | 123 Merz, a very bad actor in the role as a German chancellor, is a Blackwater asset in reality. Additional to his warmongering there are some more clues published by “Feindsender” RT – Nothing than conspiracy theories of course :-B Posted by: Blue Angel | Nov 23 2025 22:56 utc | 124 ” Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 22:20 utc | 115 ” Posted by: The Painter | Nov 23 2025 23:01 utc | 125 Besides all unsrupulous evil and irrational delusion (these vassals seem to believe their own propaganda BS) their megalomaniac presentation has very laughable aspects. Unfortunately these Chihuahuas * behaving like Mastiffs are playing with all of our lifes. Posted by: Blue Angel | Nov 23 2025 23:04 utc | 126
Posted by: BlindSpot | Nov 23 2025 22:49 utc | 121 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 23:09 utc | 127 @ The Painter | Nov 23 2025 23:01 utc | 124 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 23:11 utc | 128 Sec Rubio has said the Geneva talks regarding the 28-Point Peace Plan have been the best so far. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 23 2025 23:14 utc | 129 And here’s some fun:
“Account does not exist” it tells me. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 23:17 utc | 130 Posted by: Louis | Nov 23 2025 20:34 utc | 86 Posted by: Milites | Nov 23 2025 23:20 utc | 131 only England and nobody else, needs to be taken out/sorted out because it is England only which plots all major war like recently Ukraine war. Iraq war. gulf war, Syrian war , Libyan war etc! Posted by: sam | Nov 23 2025 23:22 utc | 132 unimperator | Nov 23 2025 19:33 utc | 58They invited Russia back to G8. Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 23 2025 23:24 utc | 133 And here we go, more lunatic racism posted by: sam | Nov 23 2025 23:22 utc | 131 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 23:24 utc | 134 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 23 2025 23:14 utc | 128 Posted by: Milites | Nov 23 2025 23:29 utc | 135 From the (now very revised) 287.59 point piece “plan”,
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 23 2025 23:30 utc | 136 And some more fun; all the Ukrainian media outlets I follow currently appear to be offline, I’m sure that has nothing to do with a shortage of electrical power and Internet connectivity. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 23:35 utc | 137
Thats probably the plan if Russia gets too close to Odessa – stage a big falling out between partners, Zelensky throws a tanrtrum in the media and “attacks” NATO, article 5, NATO troops flood Ukraine on a pretext that dares Russia to start WW3. Posted by: eps | Nov 23 2025 23:35 utc | 138 @ Melaleuca | Nov 23 2025 23:30 utc | 135 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 23:37 utc | 139 “The Painter”@ 124: Posted by: SLM | Nov 23 2025 23:38 utc | 140 “The Painter”@ 124: Posted by: SLM | Nov 23 2025 23:39 utc | 141
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Nov 23 2025 23:39 utc | 142 Britain, Germany, and France release the “only peace plan acceptable to Ukraine and Europe” Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 23 2025 23:42 utc | 143 There are too many holes in the dam/dike to plug. The US and EU/Nato are in panic mode as Ukraine is losing everywhere along the front and it gets worse every day. That’s why these “plans” are being bandied about. What do you, this attrition thing actually works! These plans envision a cease fire along the LOC to try and stave off defeat/humiliation. Not going to happen, I have full faith in Russia not snatching defeat fr0m the jaws of victory. Posted by: ctiger | Nov 23 2025 23:47 utc | 144 @ Fool Me Twice | Nov 23 2025 23:39 utc | 141 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 23:51 utc | 145 @clashreportPic of meeting in Switzerland. Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 23 2025 23:52 utc | 146 @ Melaleuca | Nov 23 2025 23:42 utc | 142 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 23:57 utc | 147 Rubio, as he’s immediately walking out from the negotiating room, is besieged by mockingbirds to comment on the European “counter plan”. Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 24 2025 0:00 utc | 148 “The more Russia advances, the more the West negotiates with itself”. Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 24 2025 0:04 utc | 149
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 24 2025 0:04 utc | 148 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2025 0:09 utc | 150 Sorry, but who is Louis Ducon? Is it the new bridge dweller? Posted by: malenkov | Nov 24 2025 0:27 utc | 151 The word ceasefire makes the most recent US peace initiative a scam! No reason talking! Posted by: paddy | Nov 24 2025 0:31 utc | 152 “Mavics Are Unnecessary’: Czech Instructors Asked Ukrainians Not to Use Drones due to Excessive Realism” Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 24 2025 0:35 utc | 153 @151, Posted by: JamesBond | Nov 24 2025 0:37 utc | 154 Meh, they’re still trying to find out who to send the invoice to for costs of the 2014 airlift of Ukrainian gold reserves… Posted by: malenkov | Nov 24 2025 0:37 utc | 155 JRL @ 138:
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 24 2025 0:49 utc | 156 From the White House readout: Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 24 2025 1:28 utc | 157 @smartfox | Nov 23 2025 20:09 utc | 73 Posted by: Philly_r | Nov 24 2025 1:29 utc | 158 sam@131……..do you really think that England, the Brexshiters, the whores of Babylon, the murdering scum bag genocidal bastards that have fucked more countries and people over globally, the shit fuckers that can’t stay on their own frozen piece of shit for a country…..are responsible for all those wars, the misery and pain they caused, the lives destroyed by them or their scum bag proxies squatting on stolen land…….hmmm…….you know, you might be on to something there……..or at least the evidence points in that direction. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 24 2025 1:35 utc | 159 Re: Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 23 2025 18:17 utc | 48
Absolute fantasies here with no proof. Posted by: Julian | Nov 24 2025 1:40 utc | 160 Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 20:13 utc | 78 Posted by: snake | Nov 24 2025 1:55 utc | 161 https://youtu.be/EOZGPQrXTpw?si=KxFG5ilV5Ht5WGFS Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Nov 24 2025 2:07 utc | 162 <= NO the elite have fucked HUMANITY. The between nation elite and the leaders the OF THE NATION STATE GOVERNMENTS put in place by the elite CANNOT GET ALONG.. Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 24 2025 2:30 utc | 163 Posted by: Julian | Nov 24 2025 1:40 utc | 159 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 24 2025 2:59 utc | 164 https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/full-text-european-counter-proposal-us-ukraine-peace-plan-2025-11-23 Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Nov 24 2025 3:02 utc | 165 ” Yes, those army numbers are absolute bonkers. If the country becomes neutral as the plan “suggests”, they need a force of around 100.000 maximum. Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 3:07 utc | 166 “Why would Maria Zakharova have her Facebook page in Greek? Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 3:11 utc | 167 Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Nov 24 2025 3:02 utc | 164 Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 24 2025 3:11 utc | 168 “Perhaps @Louis or @The Painter/the painter (and variations thereof) could provide some background? Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 3:15 utc | 169 “All well and good, but you still haven’t told me which version of your pronoun you prefer. Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 3:20 utc | 170 Ukraine ran out of coke After the loss of Pokrovsk, metallurgy in the country will come to an end, experts say. Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 24 2025 3:25 utc | 171 For those who didnt know. Posted by: The Painter | Nov 24 2025 3:59 utc | 172 Ukraine ran out of coke After the loss of Pokrovsk *** Posted by: frithguild | Nov 24 2025 4:08 utc | 173 Posted by: frithguild | Nov 24 2025 4:08 utc | 172 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 24 2025 4:33 utc | 174 We know bussification means someone can be kidnapped, kitted up, and shipped straight to the front lines. Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 24 2025 5:07 utc | 175 Warwick Powell has given an excellent summary of the US endgame in Ukraine entitled “From Kabul to Kiev. The decent interval 2025 edition. Posted by: ZimZum | Nov 24 2025 5:10 utc | 176 Today we’re going to break with routine and write about two Dutchmen at once
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 24 2025 5:26 utc | 177 Seems my reply was deleted.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 24 2025 5:30 utc | 178 I read somewhere that Lt Gen Keith Kellogg is only a 3-star general. Are those 3 stars a confirmed customer satisfaction? I mean, can’t they get a 4-star reviewed general or 5-star reviewed general from, I don’t know, Ali Baba or Shein? Complete with caflou… camoufal… Shit, the nice stuff the generals wear to look fancy far from the LOC? 3 stars reviews usually show that the product is not thaaat great. Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 24 2025 5:33 utc | 179 Ukraine ran out of coke After the loss of Pokrovsk ***Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 24 2025 3:25 utc | 170 How will the survive this? They way this goes usually is an initial sense of loss and a strong desire for more supply. This can also lead to a serious depression. Posted by: frithguild | Nov 24 2025 4:08 utc | 172 Posted by: frithguild | Nov 24 2025 5:34 utc | 180 “You’re literally being hunted”: Dutch mercenaries describe what it’s like to face Russia’s elite Rubicon drone unit.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 24 2025 5:37 utc | 181 Posted by: frithguild | Nov 24 2025 5:34 utc | 178 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 24 2025 5:59 utc | 182 This must be one the weirdest stories I have seen in years – perhaps these two have been inspired by their leaders, but none of it appears tomake very much sense: According to the US Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Texas, Gavin Rivers Weisenburg, 21, and Tanner Christopher Thomas, 20, both from the Dallas area, “have conspired to recruit and lead an unlawful expeditionary force” to Ile de la Gonave, a tropical island with around 100,000 residents that is part of the Republic of Haiti. If the island has 100,000 inhabitants and a very conservative estimate of 25,000 men, then it means they intended to kill that many. That’s absurd. Posted by: GeorgeWendell | Nov 24 2025 6:20 utc | 183 Colombians Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 24 2025 6:21 utc | 184 Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 24 2025 6:21 utc | 186 The foreign legion has supposedly been disbanded. All foreign mercs are integrated into AFU units and command, which means front line duty. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 24 2025 6:48 utc | 185 Slippage.
The kayfabe continues … Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 7:11 utc | 186 These are the lower-classes men that lost their jobs as jackals for landowners and military chieftains once Columbia turned to the left. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 24 2025 7:29 utc | 187 Looks like LittleMarco is assigned the role of first mate to go down with the ship; while the Captain (OrangeKing) is off to new turf. Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Nov 24 2025 8:25 utc | 188 EU peace plan is the most realistic and more clement Russia could expect, as things are going in their economy, their relation with the rest of the world and battlefield situation: Russia is getting pounded by Ukraine’s missiles, and a huge assortment of drones and missiles. They take out oil refineries, gas pipes and storage, rail lines and hubs. Posted by: Louis | Nov 24 2025 8:26 utc | 189
Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 24 2025 8:40 utc | 190 Louis, your nonsense would be very popular in the New York Times comments section. Why don’t you go and post there. No one here is impressed by your trolling. Posted by: abd | Nov 24 2025 8:49 utc | 191 Posted by: Louis | Nov 24 2025 8:26 utc | 189 Highly recommended. https://open.substack.com/pub/warwickpowell/p/from-kabul-to-kiev?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2025 8:59 utc | 193 The discussion of ‘confiscating’ Russian assets worth $150 billion is most likely a cover for the fact (increasing rumors) EU has already used half of the original $300 billion to fill its own budget deficits. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 24 2025 9:04 utc | 194 Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 24 2025 2:30 utc | 163 Posted by: snake | Nov 24 2025 9:31 utc | 195 Economic professor Steve Hanke says by his calculations 15 – 30% of all Ukraine aid has disappeared through corruption.
The matter is coming out now. What becomes interesting: Which of our warmongers, agitators, and arms fetishists in German and EU politics have received how much of it? We’ll probably know soon, and then it’s a rollercoaster. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 24 2025 9:32 utc | 196 Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 24 2025 8:40 utc | 190
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 24 2025 9:36 utc | 197
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 24 2025 9:41 utc | 198 Good afternoon, the crazy ones have no peace Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Nov 24 2025 9:46 utc | 199 |
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