The WaPo is reporting that unnamed U.S. officials are considering transferring Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine if a peaceful settlement is achieved, because “the Trump administration understands that security guarantees to Ukraine are not yet credible enough in the U.S. proposed plan.”
 
So this process has been nothing more than a convoluted charade to station those damn Tomahawks in Ukraine-?

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 23 2025 14:30 utc | 4

Meaghan Mobbs … claimed that the peace plan was originally written in Russian.
 
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 23 2025 14:10 utc | 1
 
—
 
Sure. It was ghost written by Alexei Navalny’s widow.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 23 2025 14:33 utc | 6

Some more updates on Trumps plan.
 
14:27 GMT

“Ukraine’s ‘leadership’ has expressed zero gratitude for our efforts, and Europe continues to buy oil from Russia” Trump has written on Truth Social; meanwhile, US, Ukrainian, and European delegations are meeting in Geneva. 

 
12:49 GMT

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he would hold a phone call with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin on Monday.
“We will do everything on the path to peace,” he stressed, speaking at a news conference on the sidelines of G-20 summit in Johannesburg on Sunday.

• 12:12 GMT

  Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky has welcomed the upcoming talks on the US peace plan in Geneva, saying that it is “good that diplomacy has been reinvigorated.” The delegations from Ukraine, the US and the EU remain “in close contact,” he wrote on X.
  “The bloodshed must be stopped, and we must ensure that the war is never reignited,” Zelensky said.
  He expressed hope that all of the participants of the Swiss talks will be “constructive,” adding that “we all need a positive outcome.”

 
12:09 GMT

The Ukrainian delegation in Geneva for talks on the US peace plan with Kiev’s Western backers has held negotiations with national security advisers from the UK, France, and Germany, Vladimir Zelensky’s chief of staff Andrey Yermak has said.
“The next meeting is with the US delegation. We are in a very constructive mood,” he stressed.

• 10:35 GMT

  Talks in Geneva between US, Ukrainian, and EU officials on Washington’s peace plan are not intended to produce a final deal, an unnamed American source has told Reuters.
  “We hope to iron out the final details… to draft a deal that is advantageous to them [Ukraine],” the source said.
  The official stressed that “nothing will be agreed on” until US President Donald Trump and Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky meet face-to-face.
  Convoys of vehicles with US diplomatic plates were seen driving through the Swiss city early on Sunday, but it is not yet clear when exactly the talks will kick off, according to the agency.

 
10:10 GMT

The head of Ukraine’s National Security Council, Rustem Umerov, has said that Vladimir Zelensky “might be ready to compromise on the crucial issue of swapping land in Donetsk for a peace deal” with Russia, Washington Post foreign affairs communist David Ignatius has said, citing unnamed US officials.
According to the sources, Umerov also told US President Donald Trump’s special envoy, Steve Witkoff, during their meeting in Florida last week that Kiev could agree to cap the size of the Ukrainian military at 600,000 as it is reportedly envisaged in the US-drafted peace plan.
The officials said that Washington is considering supplying long-range Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine as a security guarantee if a peace deal is reached. Members of Trump’s team are “confident that Ukraine would not use these preemptively against Russia because that would cost it US and European support,” they said.
Russian President Vladimir Putin warned previously that Moscow would consider the delivery of Tomahawks a major escalation and promised a “very strong response.”

 
09:01 GMT

Russian presidential aide, Kirill Dmitriev, has suggested that the Western money stolen by corrupt Ukrainian officials and funds from the US military-industrial complex are being used to fuel the “media hysteria” aimed at sabotaging the American plan to settle the Ukraine conflict. “They want war,” he wrote on X.

• 08:48 GMT

  German Chancellor Friedrich Merz and Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney have discussed the Ukraine conflict on the sidelines of the G20 summit in South Africa, a joint statement by the two nations said.
  Merz and Carney reaffirmed their “unwavering support” for Kiev and insisted that any settlement of the crisis has to involve Ukraine, the document read.
  The two leaders also said that a possible peace deal should respect Ukraine’s core interests and provide the country with security guarantees, it added.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 23 2025 14:34 utc | 8

https://twitter.com/i/status/1992269460485619750
 
Pity, I thought it might have been an assassination attempt.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 23 2025 14:38 utc | 10

“A cowed America can never be great again; a‌‌ cowed America can never be first.  Strong American leadership can be the only hope,” wrote 47 signatories to an open letter sent to DJT.   They warned him  that bowing to Russia would be “morally reprehensible” 
 
Then for the sake of rhetorical nostalgia they quoted Ronnie:  “We win, they lose.”
 
In case the ol’ Perestroika-era nostalgia bid was not enough to lubricate the situation, they tossed in some fear-mongering against China in a veiled reference to Taiwan’s security:  “The world is watching what happens in Ukraine – countries under threat of authoritarian regimes will succumb to further aggression if Russia is not defeated in Ukraine.”
 
They were shaping the narrative, in other words, in exactly the way they have instructed their state media to do.
 
 

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 23 2025 14:44 utc | 12

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 23 2025 14:44 utc | 12

countries under threat of authoritarian regimes will succumb to further aggression if Russia is not defeated in Ukraine

I wonder which country’s authoritarian regimes, and who will persecute this further aggression.  I guess that is begging the question.  

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 23 2025 14:56 utc | 14

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 21st November 2025: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update

Posted by: The Busker | Nov 23 2025 15:19 utc | 16

The 47 signatories reportedly spanned parliamentarians from Ireland to North Macedonia, as reported in The Telegraph on Sunday.
 
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 23 2025 14:48 utc | 14
 
Look, thank you for the updates, but the fact is that President Trump’s arrogance (confidence) and local populism helps him here. He wouldn’t give two fucks about Irish and Macedonian parliaments if they offered anything short of servile support. As warmongering rivals, they don’t have the military or even the financial capacity to serve as a counterweight to American apathy in Ukraine. Two posts about their “open letter” is really two posts more than it deserved.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 23 2025 15:23 utc | 18

Footage shows strike on major power station in Moscow. I haven’t found verification of this but if so it looks like another step up the escalator.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/footage-shows-possible-drone-strike-major-power-station-near-moscow 

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Nov 23 2025 15:35 utc | 20

On Sunday, Lady vdL said of DJT’s proposed plan that “the centrality of the European Union in securing peace for Ukraine must be fully reflected.”
 
 
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Nov 23 2025 15:29 utc | 20
 
Oh, but it -is-. President Trump’s plan exactly reflects EU importance to the conflict. Which is ironic, because he gives Europe a major chance to not just avoid war but contribute to Ukrainian reconstruction. I’m sure there will be plenty of opportunities for graft among them. The problem for Europe is that post-war Ukraine will be an economic basket case, and what few mineral resources are there have already been promised to the United States. I’m sure the Ukrainian cabinet would love to Jew their way out of that, but then an enraged President Trump would withdraw all American involvement in the ceasefire. At which point Russia will cheerfully restart the festivities.
 
Merely provoking such an unhinged reaction from the EU was well worth whatever time Dimitriev spent helping to draft the agreement. But Zelensky is already talking up acceptance, possibly because the alternative is a winter of pure misery and a new Maidan where he will be burned. Possibly in effigy.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 23 2025 15:40 utc | 22

Hegseth launches criminal investigation into alleged “$48 billion stolen by Zelensky”, citing whistleblower testimony from a CIA insider.

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Posted by: Jo | Nov 23 2025 15:53 utc | 24

The Busker 17 – many thanks for your report, always enjoy your updates.
Note in your report a photo of Errol Flynn playing the role of Brevet General Armstrong Custer.  The scene portrayed in the photo is of Custer’s last stand at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. It portrays Custer as the last man standing while handling his cavalry cutlass.  Hollywood is always entitled to theatrical license, but in this case its obvious that the producers did not do their historical homework.  Custer’s reinforced company of cavalry did not carry their cutlasses into the battle, they were ordered to be stored away before the battle.  The troops involved only carried their breach loading Army carbines, and 1960 model Army single action five/six revolvers and their staggers/combat knives.
Certainly if the troopers of the 7th Cavalry had carried their cutlass swords into battle they would have been better equipped in mounted close order combat with the also mounted Indian combatants.  While the troopers eventually dismounted to engage the Indian forces, their limited ammo resources sealed their fate.  Dismounted cavalry are in a precarious position. Please note that not all Indian forces were armed with firearms, many used bows and arrows or spears.

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 23 2025 16:06 utc | 26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQf_iYHZM80&list=WL&index=3 YouTube video by American who appears to have fought for both Kiev and the Kurdish YPG in northern Syria (presumably at different times). Unless he is a total fantasist, an example of “volunteers” being mobilised as fighters in “Western” interests. 

Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 23 2025 16:14 utc | 28

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 23 2025 16:06 utc | 27
 
Custer’s 7th had no chance with cutlasses or more ammunition. Those Sioux, Cheyenne, and Arikara were well armed with many repeating rifles and pistols and were excellent horsemen and archers… not as good as the Comanche but very good. Custer was reckless and had always been reckless. He almost got his calvary destroyed a couple of times during the Civil War. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 23 2025 16:31 utc | 30

The Trump Peace Plan re UKR.
 
Europe Changes 4 Points:
 
The Defense of Tykhe and Vidradne Has Collapsed
 
Military Summary. 2025.11.23. 14 mins.
 
https://tinyurl.com/y428m7ua
 
Europeans want at least four points of US “peace plan” changed, will meet in Geneva on Sunday, Bild says.
 
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/11/22/8008554/
 
Heh.  🙂

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 23 2025 16:37 utc | 32

34 – An over-confidence ultimately resulting from racism. I suspect he would not have divided his troops in the same way when fighting the Confederates. 
A few years later similar over-confidence would lead to disaster for the British at Isandlwana in the Zulu War. 

Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 23 2025 16:49 utc | 34

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 23 2025 16:42 utc | 34
 
There is a reason for Custer moving so fast to conquer the Sioux; he was a life long Democrat and wanted to be the Democratic candidate for President in the Democratic convention on June 27 in St. Louis , the following month-thereby his hastiness as time was of the essence:
 
“In late May 1876 Custer was a man in a hurry. The 7th Cavalry was part of a three-pronged offensive into the Northern Plains. The area around the Yellowstone River was basically declared a free-fire zone. All hostiles were ordered to surrender at the reservations. If they didn’t, the Army would shoot on sight.
Further building the case that Custer harbored ulterior motives, he refused the services of another regiment, the 2nd Cavalry, on his march into hostile territory. He also was offered the use of Gatling machine guns, but refused them ostensibly because they were slow and hard to move. In other words speed was supreme. For good reason. The Democratic national convention was scheduled to start on June 27, in St. Louis, the first time a “western” city had hosted a political convention. Custer was always known as a hard driver of his men, but he exceeded himself on his last campaign. At one point, the 7th Cavalry covered 70 miles in three days.
Custer also allowed newspaper correspondent Mark Kellogg to accompany the regiment despite General Phil Sheridan’s orders to the contrary. Kellogg’s dispatches from a spectacular victory over the Sioux would have been spread by telegraph all over the country and especially to the western gateway of St. Louis where the Democrats were meeting. Custer did not get his headlines, and Kellogg did not get his scoop of the century and instead died with the troops.” (1)
 
1. https://warhistorybuff.com/2020/10/30/president-custer-what-might-have-been/

Posted by: canuk | Nov 23 2025 16:57 utc | 36

Posted by: tobias cole | Nov 23 2025 16:42 utc | 34
 
As a Texan with deep roots, I never heard good things about Sherman but he never really trusted Custer on the plains and always suspected that he was a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Enough off topic stuff… Sorry… 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 23 2025 17:03 utc | 38

Pity, I thought it might have been an assassination attempt.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 23 2025 14:38 utc | 10
No it was just Keith tripping over his own greed. 

Posted by: Vragtes | Nov 23 2025 17:14 utc | 40

Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 23 2025 3:34 utc | 214
The title claiming the proposal was designed to “trap Putin” has no basis.
 
The trap was set by Putin, not the other way round. And thanks to the stupidity of Trump, it is working
 
But total victory is impossible, and no one wants to face that.
 
And here we have a concern troll.
 
In almost four years of war, every time Russian victory seemed close, a new escalation emerged—each one more dangerous and irresponsible.
 
Name those escalations?  Pure western propaganda. No game changer at all.
 
Now we have reached peak irresponsibility among Europe’s frantic leaders. Macron and Starmer have both said in the last two days that they are ready to send troops—and will send troops—to Ukraine.
 
Fucking liar! No, they already sent troops. But they hide their casualties. It means that they are afraid. And they are cowards. Their people do not want to be at war with Russia despite the massive anti-Russian propaganda. They will not send more troops. Except in case of a ceasefire which will not happen.
 
This means Russian total victory is impossible, because the only path remaining leads to a full European war.
 
Fucking liar once more. Russian victory is not only quite possible, it is very necessary.
 
Therefore, the idea that Russia should continue fighting in hopes of a better deal after a European war is an illusion.
 
A deal, which deal? There is not deal, fucking concern troll!
 
Putin knows this, but many of my peers are too stubborn to admit it because they despise Trump.
 
And one more who thinks he is in the head of Putin. Putin respects the Constitution of the Russian Federation, fucking liar! Your “peers”? Who are you? You are too stupid to understand how Trump is being manipulated and falling into the trap. You are one more of those westerners who do not understand the meaning of “demilitarisation” and “denazification”.
 
They cannot accept the possibility that he might do something constructive. Their anti-Trump stance is as entrenched as that of the neocons.But that is the reality today. The only way out is compromise from all sides. That is what Trump’s peace plan puts on the table.
 
And here again you show your true agenda. Fuck off liar and concern troll!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 17:40 utc | 42

Posted by: MoA Outsider | Nov 23 2025 3:34 utc | 214The title claiming the proposal was designed to “trap Putin” has no basis.  The trap was set by Putin, not the other way round. And thanks to the stupidity of Trump, it is working But total victory is impossible, and no one wants to face that. And here we have a concern troll. In almost four years of war, every time Russian victory seemed close, a new escalation emerged—each one more dangerous and irresponsible. Name those escalations?  Pure western propaganda. No game changer at all.  Now we have reached peak irresponsibility among Europe’s frantic leaders. Macron and Starmer have both said in the last two days that they are ready to send troops—and will send troops—to Ukraine. Fucking liar! No, they already sent troops. But they hide their casualties. It means that they are afraid. And they are cowards. Their people do not want to be at war with Russia despite the massive anti-Russian propaganda. They will not send more troops. Except in case of a ceasefire which will not happen. This means Russian total victory is impossible, because the only path remaining leads to a full European war. Fucking liar once more. Russian victory is not only quite possible, it is very necessary. Therefore, the idea that Russia should continue fighting in hopes of a better deal after a European war is an illusion. A deal, which deal? There is not deal, fucking concern troll! Putin knows this, but many of my peers are too stubborn to admit it because they despise Trump. And one more who thinks he is in the head of Putin. Putin respects the Constitution of the Russian Federation, fucking liar! Your “peers”? Who are you? You are too stupid to understand how Trump is being manipulated and falling into the trap. You are one more of those westerners who do not understand the meaning of “demilitarisation” and “denazification”. They cannot accept the possibility that he might do something constructive. Their anti-Trump stance is as entrenched as that of the neocons.But that is the reality today. The only way out is compromise from all sides. That is what Trump’s peace plan puts on the table. And here again you show your true agenda. Fuck off liar and concern troll!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 17:45 utc | 44

@ Naive | Nov 23 2025 17:48 utc | 44
 
Kudos for a much needed and well executed takedown!

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 23 2025 18:01 utc | 46

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 23 2025 18:01 utc | 45
 
Many thanks!!! I am no hunter, but here on Moon of Alabama…

Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 18:13 utc | 48

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 23 2025 14:13 utc | 2
 
I hope that you are not surprised…

Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 18:22 utc | 50

Zakharova on Haiphong commenting at length on absence of reference to the UN and international law in the 28 points. Interesting flourish after EU exploding heads. 

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 23 2025 18:30 utc | 52

Dear gullible, naive, and generous EU taxpayer >>>
 
You were sold a beautiful story about supporting Ukraine. But now the ugly truth is coming out, and you’re the one paying the price.
 
•Your generosity was sent to one of the most corrupt countries in Europe.
 
•Your safety was gambled. The plan was always to use Ukrainian lives first. You and your children were meant to be the “cannon fodder” next.
 
•Your prosperity is being destroyed. Your government caused an energy crisis that is shutting down your industries, crashing the economy, and will cost you your job.
 
But the most painful part? You were lied to. Ukraine was never winning. You were fed a constant stream of happy news to keep you opening your wallet, while the reality on the ground was a disaster. Now, a massive humiliation is looming. Your leaders led you into this based on stupidity, and you, the taxpayer, will face the consequences. Slava Stupidity.

https://x.com/angeloinchina/status/1992650453964804514

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2025 18:51 utc | 54

Russia’s sudden push for a peace deal is not a diplomatic shift.
It is a sign that the Kremlin feels pressure it can no longer manage.
Moscow is urgently demanding negotiations because of increasing military and economic strain across the Russian state.
Iran, China, and North Korea each fear the consequences of a Russian breakdown.
These governments rely on Russia for discounted energy, weapons testing, ammunition trade, and political support;
Russia is weakening more and more every day and this threatens the stability of their own regimes.
They want Moscow to secure a pause before Ukraine’s deep strikes and infrastructure attacks create even greater pressure inside Russia,
as demonstrated this week bye heavy Ukrainian strikes against Russia’s substations, refineries, and logistics hubs,
the shutdown at Tuapse, the damage at Syzran, and Moscow’s admission that it intercepted dozens of Ukrainian drones
in a single night. These events show how far Ukraine can reach and why the Kremlin wants time to stabilize.
Russia’s economic indicators are deteriorating fast: shrinking gold reserves,
weak bank liquidity, ammunition shortages, and growing complaints from regions that cannot meet recruitment
or payment obligations. Combined with rising social tension and visible infrastructure strain, these signs point to
a state under extreme pressure.
Stabilizing Russia has become essential for authoritarian regimes that
depend on Russia to maintain their own positions, as they perceive Russia could be now in a pre-revolution state.

Posted by: Louis | Nov 23 2025 19:28 utc | 56

It’s over.
Bar the final totting of the butchers bill. The euros are a revolting bunch of effete deluded  incompetents.
The question is how many within the Trump administration are in league with them?
 

Posted by: jpc | Nov 23 2025 19:31 utc | 58

There’s a looming crisis growing in Ukraine in the regions occupied by Russia.
As a result of the methods Russia has used in its war against Ukraine, many environmental
problems have been created and left untreated.
From the destruction of the Kakhovka Dam, to regular dust storms,
to the impact of fiber optic cables and explosives spread over thousands of kilometers,
its becoming increasingly clear that Russia has destroyed most of the
value of the land in the Donbas they intend to occupy.
Whether Russia wins or loses the war, the benefit to them that comes
from holding this territory is less than zero, with people leaving in mass,
water and soil irremediably contaminated, infrastructures
destroyed (road, bridges, railroads). The occupation is already costing dearly to Russia,
and will cost even more when they will be compelled to try to rebuild these lands,
once rich and now a polluted and destroyed hellscape.

Posted by: Louis | Nov 23 2025 19:42 utc | 60

now a polluted and destroyed hellscape.

Posted by: Louis | Nov 23 2025 19:42 utc | 59
 
That would be the land that Blackrock think they own then, at least Russia has someone to send the invoice to…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 19:48 utc | 62

Posted by: Louis | Nov 23 2025 19:42 utc | 59
 
Oh, Russia is making serious progress again.

Posted by: BlindSpot | Nov 23 2025 19:51 utc | 64

Certainly doesn’t look like “Russia’s sudden push for a peace deal ”, looks very much like business as usual…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 19:44 utc | 60
 
I think the US is telling everyone to look for one of those off ramps that were there for the Russians back in the day. 
Or your on your own!

Posted by: jpc | Nov 23 2025 19:53 utc | 66

It would certainly be interesting to know how many Western conglomerates have Ukrainian “assets” (land, businesses, bonds/other debts etc.) on their books and at what value these “assets” are declared to be worth, for balance sheet purposes?
 
And if the declared values of such “assets” have been used to generate further leverage/rehypothecation?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 20:02 utc | 68

Several towns and cities will be liberated during the next month to 6 weeks….
 
Polymarket Bets: Which Cities Could The Russian Army Capture In November And December? South Front

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 23 2025 20:04 utc | 70

Ticks have been targeting my balls my whole life. So far no penatration. However the bio weapon ticks and the west nile mosquitos have to get some real scruitey. A tick has killed a west jet pilot because he ate meat. Soylent Green and all that. Soylent Green is HUmans.

Posted by: steve | Nov 23 2025 20:07 utc | 72

Basically, the situation is quite simple.
1) Trump does not want a direct conflict with Russia under any circumstances, which could then escalate into a nuclear war.
2) Neither does Putin.
For both of them, there is a difference between war taking place in another region and war taking place in their own country.
3) The EU-NATO dreams of a direct war because they still assume that the US will help them, so they can be loud and provocative in the hope of triggering an Article 5 case.
Only when Trump really makes good on his announcement not to help Europe, and when that is understood, will there be a backpedaling. But with Trump’s constant contradictory statements and actions, it is difficult to say if and when that will happen.
Inevitably, this means that Russia has to act as if this does not apply, which is the worst possible development.
Everything else is propaganda, showmanship, ego-stroking.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 20:09 utc | 74

One reason given for dissident US Republicans to try to stop Trump’s Peace Plan, is that they have invested heavily in the Stocks and Shares of the Military Industrial Complex.
 
Which is probably correct, as the Midas touch is not only for Pelosi but the basictenet  of US political life. Loyalty is bought, and it is “surprising how little a Politician costs” (Origin of quote lost – but possibly goes back centuries).

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 23 2025 20:11 utc | 76

 @BlindSpot | Nov 23 2025 20:08 utc | 72
 
You can bet on the fact that the Kiev gang will refuse on orders from EU. Russia will never even need to reject this.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 23 2025 20:12 utc | 78

Ukraine has zero agency. This is a proxy war between Russia and USA. Don’t be fooled that Ukraine can accept or reject the USA peace plan. They will do exactly what the USA tells them to do. The meetings in Geneva is merely theatre.
USA is creating a narrative that will obfuscate the fact that they have lost the war. 

Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Nov 23 2025 20:16 utc | 80

We all know that the US plan is to divide Russia and China, so that the US can loot Russia and then destroy China.  We know this because they say so in their think tanks, which are published because the Deep State believes, like its founder Allen Dulles said about the Warren Report addendum “Publish it all.  Americans don’t read.”   He was only partly right.  Some Americans do read, and they do their best to alert the rest of the population.  (Like Mark Lane and Jim Garrison back then.  Brian Berletic is our generation’s think tank alerter.)
 
Anyway, what if Russia’s unpublished plan to to separate the US from Europe?  That would be to Russia’s advantage.  No more NATO, no more missiles in Europe, and if any EU country attacks Russia, there would be no Article 5 to stop Russia from slapping them down.
 
Donald Trump promised to make peace with Russia and to make Europe “pay its fair share” of NATO costs (i.e. shaking down countries for more money to the MIC.)
 
Obviously the Deep State opposes peace with Russia, but they have conflicting motives when it comes to NATO.   Greedy bastards that they all are, looting more money from Europe seems like a fine idea, even if it threatens their long term continued occupation of Europe.    Capitalists are known for their greed and short-sightedness, leading to the observation that they would sell you the rope you’re going to hang them with.  So the best thing for Russia to do is go along with Trump’s various peace plan delusions while continuing advancing in Ukraine, and supporting the division between the US and the war mongering European countries, well under way.
 
European countries are floundering now.   They still want to destroy Russia and divide it into 41 easily exploitable countries, but they need the USA to do that.  
Trump pretends that he is onboard, but in his businessman way, he is willing to make deals to get the resources,  as long as he gets the bigger share.
 
So Russia carefully flatters Trump and never blames the US for the war in Ukraine, although we all know that they know who started this entire thing.   They point fingers at Europe instead.   
Europe flails around, trying to whip up support for fighting Russia on their own.  But cutting UK pensions is a loser propaganda tactic.  Telling the French that they must be willing to sacrifice their children is a loser tactic.    Telling the Germans that they must de-industrialize is a loser tactic.
 
It seems that the EU plans to keep their populations under control are becoming more obvious.   Banning political parties, canceling elections, and prosecuting r killing leading candidates, all the while pontificating about your glorious democracies, is losing ground with the people.    As long as they keep the figleaf of democracy, more and more people will vote the bastards out.  
 
If Russia can divide Europe from the US and liberate Ukraine,  she just has to wait until the Europeans throw out the war mongers and come crawling back to Russia to beg for energy.  
 
Could happen.
 

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 23 2025 20:22 utc | 82

The US “28-point” plan and the EU “24-point” plan are actually similar,
just written from two different perspectives.
The US plan assumes that Russia is winning the war, while the EU plan,
decidedly more realistic in its assessment of reality
(beyond the micro-villages conquered with great fanfare as if they were metropolises,
we see NATO/UKR dismantling Russian infrastructure, arsenals, ports, and refineries,
while the allies flee, like India, which has returned to behave like being a British colony again),
sees Russia as close to internal implosion for social and economic reasons,
and close to military defeat while still occupying foreign territory.
A bit like German Empire in 1918, defeated even though the Allies had practically never set foot on its soil.

Posted by: Louis | Nov 23 2025 20:27 utc | 84

Posted by: Naive | Nov 23 2025 20:13 utc | 78Sorry, but who is Louis Ducon? Is it the new bridge dweller?
Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 23 2025 20:24 utc | 82
 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_I._de_Bourbon%2C_prince_de_Cond%C3%A9
 

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 20:30 utc | 86

The US “28-point” plan and the EU “24-point” plan are actually similar

Posted by: Louis | Nov 23 2025 20:27 utc | 83
 
Well congratulations, you got that part right; but what is the similarity? They have both got two chances of being implemented, fat chance and no chance.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 20:36 utc | 88

@ Louis | Nov 23 2025 20:34 utc | 86
O/T but why do you keep using carriage return halfway through a sentence? Let the posting field auto-wrap when needed. Currently, not only do your posts contain mess, they look like mess.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 20:40 utc | 90

@ Louis | Nov 23 2025 20:27 utc | 83
 
Stop with your NATO-EU propaganda, we know now that you’re a fool. Enough is enough.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 20:46 utc | 92

@ BlindSpot | Nov 23 2025 20:41 utc | 90
 
Maybe it is due to a blind spot, but I can’t figure out what your point is.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 23 2025 20:50 utc | 94

@94,
UN GA is just a gathering to discuss irrelevant topics and get free lunch for various countries. Nothing major is decided there anymore (probably never did to begin with). 

Posted by: JamesBond | Nov 23 2025 20:56 utc | 96

Actually just spotted another similarity between “28” and “24”, neither of them even mention any rôle for the United Nations, no rôle for ratification, nor for any supervisory activity/oversight. No discussion, no scrutiny by the UN General Assembly? Oh well…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2025 20:52 utc | 94
 
vdL wants interpretative authority. She does not have this if the UN is involved.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 23 2025 20:58 utc | 98

Ukraine falling into civil war
 

“Russia does not need to take Kiev now: there will be no Kiev – and Lviv too” Kirill Strelnikov: “Kiev risks entering into a fierce struggle with tens of thousands of ideological nationalists who have nothing to lose” “Spectator:…the remnants of Ukraine are now inevitably waiting for collapse, death and civil war” “Regardless of whether the Kiev elite accepts Trump’s plan, it has only two bad options -capitulation now or military defeat later, which is almost guaranteed to mean a war of all against all. When in 2019 Russia Offered Kiev to resolve all issues peacefully, one of the leaders of the Ukrainian ultranationalists Dmitry Yarosh publicly threatened Zelensky that he would be hanged if he dared to make concessions Moscow. Now such threats are heard not just from the leaders of paramilitary formations, but from the commanders of the most powerful, motivated, equipped and armed formations, which were formed on the basis of the nationalist battalions “Azov”*, “Aidar”* and the like: “If the question arises about the existence of the state, and the authorities are inactive, the people have the right to take responsibility into their own hands.” And these are not empty threats. In the event of a peace agreement, any government in Kiev risks entering into a fierce struggle with tens of thousands of ideological nationalists who have nothing to lose: the meaning and way of existence is reduced exclusively to the destruction of Russians, and the forcible “shutdown” of this bloody process is tantamount to suicide. In the event of an agonizing military defeat, the Kiev authorities will inevitably face another threat: hundreds of thousands or even millions of emaciated, humiliated and crippled soldiers of the defeated army. A huge number of them were thrown to the slaughter by force or deception, and in order to preserve their sanity, each tried to convince at least himself that there was at least some sense in all this. But people who died in the trenches must now die of wounds and poverty, when the well-fed authorities fed them false hopes and promises. And now they will ask one question: for what? The list of reasons from which a bloody civil war is likely to break out in Ukraine is actually very long. This is a possible revolt of certain regions that will not want to accept the “betrayal” of the center; these are military showdowns between political factions and groups of influence, which will tear apart the remnants of the “legacy” of the previous government; and a military coup by representatives of the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who will not want to lose their power and money, and will also be afraid of legal persecution by both Russia and their victims within the country. There is also a high probability of a “toilet” Maidan, which could escalate into large-scale military clashes, against the backdrop of general indignation at the theft of the Kiev elite at a time when most of the country lies in ruins. The story has a very cruel irony. All of the above was predicted by Western manipulators, but in relation to Russia (according to the CSIS think tank, “veterans of the special military operation, returning home, will cause political and social chaos”) – and these hopes were mainly based on the stubborn support for the Kyiv regime. Now it is collapsing, and with it are the hopes that betrayal is the ticket to heaven. * Terrorist organizations banned in Russia.” “Historical upheavals repeat each other with terrifying accuracy even after thousands of years — and end in much the same way. When the crowd on the Kiev Maidan, stupefied by the promises of European kava and underpants, for the first time began to jump up and shout “Who does not jump, is a Moskal!”, smart people even then remembered the situation when a similar crowd excitedly shouted: “Crucify, crucify Him! His blood be on us and on our children!” Each of those who jumped then, willingly or unwillingly, agreed, for the sake of their Selyuk swagger and the mythical European future, not only to sacrifice kinship, an infinite number of fraternal ties, a common history, culture, faith and language, but also specific people who simply thought differently. It was an easy sacrifice – these people were, in general, not their own, they were somewhere out there, and you did not kill them. It was then that hatred came to drown out his conscience. Thirty pieces of silver did not go to Judas for the future, and, as we can see, the betrayal of millions of Russian-speaking compatriots by pure-blooded Ukie Europeans may cost the transformation of this entire contaminated territory into Sodom and Gomorrah – and not even at the hands of the Russian army. Back in February of this year, when the Ukrainian General Staff was still churning out plans for victory, an uncharacteristic publication appeared in the Los Angeles Times, the main idea of which was that Ukraine will devour itself: “Post-war traumas, deprivations and disappointments, combined with an armed generation of war-hardened people, can threaten Ukraine no less than Russian aggression. After the end of the war, Ukraine will face a new battle – an internal battle. Something that Vladimir Putin will not achieve it with the help of the NWO, he will achieve it from within.” The recent development of events – from the actual collapse of the front to the corruption scandal – has significantly accelerated the degradation of the Ukrainian authorities, army and society and brought the fulfillment of the cruel prophecy closer.”
 

https://x.com/amborin/status/1992695354584973619

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2025 21:00 utc | 100