Milites@47…..you have me at a disadvantage, I have no combat experience with what .50 cals can and can not do. Just relaying info from guys who have seen combat and those type of wounds from .50 cal rounds. Perhaps their combat experience was different than yours………
 
Cheers M 
 
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 22:55 utc | 103

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 22:39 utc | 100
 
I see only one risk: Macron. He could be tempted to do anything to stay in power. In a state of war, he could activate one article of the constitution to get full powers and as the penis piano player postpone indefinitively the elections. There are some signs which give credibility to that scenario.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 22:57 utc | 105

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 23:02 utc | 107

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 23:02 utc | 109
 
Now what?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 23:07 utc | 109

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@104…….cat got my tongue…….rational people would be embarrassed…….there is nothing rational about this…..and the numbers as you mention, may well be fudged on purpose to mislead the Russians who may be in on it…….the Grand Game is afoot……
 
Cheers M 
 
.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 23:15 utc | 111

Posted by: Milites | Nov 16 2025 22:45 utc | 101
 
#######
 
Nothing JRL wrote is a secret. Normies on YouTube know it.
 
Europe literally has nothing to fight Russia with. Not the technology, manpower, strategy, or initiative.
 
Europe doesn’t have space or Arctic programs. They are 3rd world compared to the Axis now.
 
All the Brits can do is random acts of terrorism, which everyone knows is a sign of weakness.
 
It’s glorious. 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 16 2025 23:24 utc | 113

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 23:24 utc | 116
 
######
 
I listened to the Sirius Report yesterday and apparently the US has been using National Security as a reason to suspend accepted accounting principles. IIRC, Catherine Austin-Fitts has said there is a hidden $21 trillion hole due to this.
 
Psychohistorian often says this will go on until it cannot, and I agree. There is no political upside to admitting everything is bankrupt, but at one point, it will be obvious like the unofficial end of COVID was obvious and people didn’t have to get suicide jabs or wear masks in public.
 
People already see China via social media and know they don’t live in the first world anymore.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 16 2025 23:33 utc | 115

Hypersonic weapons would likely cause serious damage without having explosive warheads. I went deer hunting with friends and the young lady in our group shot a big buck that dropped dead without a step. Upon butchering we discovered her over powered .338 magnum bullet didn’t touch anything except pass through the breast bone and in 6-7 centimeters. The damage from the shock waves caused both lungs and heart to turn to mush.
The projectile from hypersonic missiles would be thousands tens of thousands times heavier. Mini nuke without radiation residue would be best way to think of it.

Posted by: Saag | Nov 16 2025 23:35 utc | 117

Ukrainian sources are converging toward a number of 2000 AFU troops trapped in Myrnograd.
 
https://x.com/Karmabash/status/1990156410215444668

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 23:44 utc | 119

Some Ukrainian nazi influencers think Ukraine should cut losses and negotiate peace – mainly due to collapse of the line in Zaporozhye direction. While media focuses on Pokrovsk, it is precisely this area that could get to Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk, the cities containing most of Ukraine’s remaining industry and mineral mining.
Ukraine can’t defend this area anymore.
https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/dividing-the-frontline

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 23:50 utc | 121

Naive | Nov 16 2025 23:54 utc | 124
That’s right. The media controls what the population believes and what politicians respond to. No media propaganda = no war.

Posted by: smartfox | Nov 16 2025 23:59 utc | 123

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 22:55 utc | 105
If you think a veterans account transcends physics then that’s up to you, what you probably heard was psyops about the rounds effects, regurgitated by people who never seen them used in combat, misinterpreted what they saw, or were simply bullshitting the civies. The 50 cal round has been used for nearly a century, on land, air and sea,  so finding credible evidence of this super-power, that even a 20mm cannon shell does not possess, should be relatively easy. 
I’m sure there’s been a YouTube demo about this misconception, given myth-busting seems to be an easy clicks topic on that channel, especially with everyone jumping on the slo-mo bandwagon. 

Posted by: Milites | Nov 17 2025 0:18 utc | 125

Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 16 2025 21:06 utc | 77
I don’t think Saker lasted as long as 2 years after the start of the conflict. Yes he and Martynanov were full of hubris. I was optimistic, but oddly enough my brother said hmm! no.  (not anti Russian, just clever). He was right, but fortunately for me I quickly learned not to expect too rapid a victory.
Weirdly no one has ever stated this, but Russia, as well as fighting Ukraine and NATO is also fighting the USSR.  The multilayered defence system that the USSR established has been functioning to slow down Russian progress. 
I think it is now clear that the pace of Russian advance has begun its exponential increase phase. Here is some data. it only related to cities over 5000 people in 2002. Before the conflict Russia/allies controlled 62/461 “Ukrainian” cities ie about 13%. Basically this was 49% of the 5 provinces eventually fully incorporated into Russia. After the start of the SMO by June 2022 it rose rapidly to 99 towns which meant 70% of the 5 provinces plus 5 towns in the an adjacent provinces –  Kharkov. The next years saw minimal obvious gains – even losses, although there was clearly a steady but very small gain in territory. Gains in Donetsk and Luhansk were offset by losses in Kharkov and Kherson.  The next year (24/25) saw the beginning of change, with the number of cities controlled jumping  to 107, but all within the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. The last 6 months has seen even sharper gains with the number of cities controlled (Toretsk, Chasiv Yar) or about to be controlled , going up to 113, with others definitely possible. Significantly gains have also been in Kharkov and Zaporizhia.

Posted by: watcher | Nov 17 2025 0:46 utc | 127

As a thought experiment, try to imagine a world without Western colonialism (or colonialism by anyone).
 
The need for standing armies would likely be diminished, propaganda would dry up, and people would travel more, bringing humanity closer than ever.
 
Russia, China, and Iran have been working diligently (despite sanctions) on their space programs and the East has been innovating Biotech outside of the Western systems of patents and state licensing regimes.
 
I don’t know that Westerners are capable of participating in a human future for the planet. Can they give up porn, recreational drugs, gambling, and mindless entertainment, all of which are impediments to growth.
 
The Chinese and Russians will do their best to be inclusive but won’t budge on the degenerate sex or gender fads.
 
A world without terrorism, a world without organized crime, a world without a perpetual underclass. What will the soft Marxists complain about where everyone can eat and get educated?
 
Are you ready to live in a more meritocratic paradigm?
 
There will always be problems but no one will easily accumulate enough power or resources to subjugate anyone else.
 
THAT, IMO, is what the Axis is striving for, and is what the West opposes in Ukraine, in Palestine, South America, and in West Africa.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 17 2025 0:52 utc | 129

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 16 2025 16:49 utc | 24
 
it’s becoming clearer and clearer that there are deep ties between Israel and the modern day Waffen SS of Galicia. Southern Cyprus has become a safe haven for the genocidal-Israeli/Galicia-set. Safe from harm but, with front row seats allowing the genocidal-ghouls to see every detail of their victims demise, all the blood and gore dripping onto the coliseum floor.
 
 
<=Thanks..
 
 
Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 16 2025 21:06 utc | 77
 
 
Everyone underestimated Ukraine, the toughness of their soldiers and the strong and continual support of the West, and that high tech weapons would make it to the front lines easily. People on these forums were saying that Russia would intercept or destroy these weapons on arrival but that doesn’t happen 99% of the time.
 
 
<=that’s not true, people did not underestimate Ukraine, they failed to believe NATO would enter Ukraine and substitute themselves for Ukraine..
 
 
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 21:16 utc | 79
 
 
The economic calamity in the west is living proof that the entire west/Nato was mobilized (at least economically and financially) to fund and arm the fight for Ukraine. Potentially tens of thousands Nato troops, mostly from eastern Europe and UK, now Columbian and other LatAm gang members.
 
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2025 21:46 utc | 86
 
There can be no “reset” in the West without either forcing China to kneel and subjugate itself, or failing that to simply utterly destroy China’s industrial capacity.
<=I predict, any nation that uses force to against China, will not survive? 
 

Posted by: snake | Nov 17 2025 0:57 utc | 131

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 17 2025 0:52 utc | 131
 
Great post, Mr Donbas

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 17 2025 1:00 utc | 133

Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 22:52 utc | 103
The number of uncalled for expletives is usually in direct relation to the paucity of the argument (Australians excepted of course), apart from this antipodean exception what’s yours? 
‘trying to denigrate the Russians’  Actually I’m suggesting the opposite, that Russians are far more aware of the real situation than some posters, deep in SM la-la land, are here. Then again, you probably believe that the T-34 was the best tank in WW2. 
 
 
 
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 16 2025 23:24 utc | 115
I know/knew some people who’d disagree about that, but you keep on suckling from the internet and thinking you’re getting anything more than a highly modified chemical soup, that bears only a passing resemblance to natural milk. 
 
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 16 2025 23:33 utc | 117
Funny, I crossed a bridge that had been built over 30 years ago and it was still standing! The roads around here are shocking though, reminds me of the A road to Leningrad (when it was so called), no wonder the Germans struggled in ‘41. 
 
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 23:33 utc | 118
Not even close, the Ukrainian Army was trained to fight in brigade, not corps, strength against similar sized units (hitting with one finger, not a folded fist), had no realistic way to combat Russian aviation beyond spatchcock AD and outdated legacy platforms (actually a summary of most of her military equipment) and no way to strategically target Russia’s highly vulnerable, rail-biased, supply networks.
 
In modern military jargon, she had no way to threaten the Russian’s centre of gravity, or challenge the Russian’s ability to affect her own CoG’s. 
 
 
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 23:54 utc | 124
Guess the guy I was talking to who spent several years there was full of Western racist (yawn!) hate when he recalled the rapid collapse* of the infrastructure in his ‘new’ district, necessitating a ‘new’ district, with the former showpiece consigned to house those people who were not so fortunate.
*Quite literally, including buildings, roads and basic amenities. 
 
 

Posted by: Milites | Nov 17 2025 1:03 utc | 135

Posted by: The Painter | Nov 16 2025 22:59 utc | 108
Probably code for saying thanks for giving us the time needed to resolve the situation, without undue interference. It’s probably why the Epstein hoax has been re-re-re-launched, now with added MTG, because the DS see the writing on the wall for their proxy country. 
 
Posted by: Saag | Nov 16 2025 23:35 utc | 119
Knew a RM who went hunting rabbits with an M-16, rabbit carcasses looked fine, with little exterior damage, until you picked them up, then it was as if they were made of jelly. 

Posted by: Milites | Nov 17 2025 1:12 utc | 137

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 17 2025 1:09 utc | 138
Yup, unless you’ve actually held a 50 cal round next to a 7.62 you won’t understand just what a beast of a round it is, compared to a standard military round (the 5.56/45 is comically small in comparison). 
A US medic in the battle of the Bulge said the injuries caused by the 50 cal, when he was treating German casualties, were so horrific it gave him nightmares for years and a German paratrooper hit by a Boyes AT rifle (similar round) in Crete had lost his entire buttock and part of his lower leg and begged to be shot. In Vietnam, soldiers said the quad 50 ‘meatchopper’ of WW2 fame would literally ‘red mist’ the Vietnamese, and soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan said the 50 cal would sometimes cause organic shrapnel that was the equivalent to a 40mm grenade’s lethal radius. 
I was also told by a veteran that the final combat scene in the ‘08 Rambo movie is quite accurate, though they’d be ‘lots more arms, legs and heads flying around’!

Posted by: Milites | Nov 17 2025 1:35 utc | 139

.50 cal 1 inch from gel arm, jello, powder, tissue high speed camera. Start at 4 minutes into video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4CpttHdMPI
 
 

Posted by: Dennis Gaudet | Nov 17 2025 1:54 utc | 141

evidently Australia still has 200 bushmasters, and Zelensky sent word. He wants them all.Now. Pronto.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 16 2025 21:17 utc | 80
And get them he will, the Australian PM is a groveling Zionist puppet, oddly just like most of his predecessors. Seems shekels have bought every western government on the planet, with still lingering suspicions about Russia.
 
See a respected Australian economist has a plan to fix their housing bubble, as though it disempowers the Zionist banks (and thus their underlying source of power)  bleeding the country, it has no hope of ever being adopted. It is no different to Europe, speaking of which this is interesting:
 
Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were. Jews are going to be at the center of that. And Jews will be resented because of our leading role.
— Barbara Lerner SpectreDirector of DEI-Destroy Europe Institute in Stockholm, Sweden

Posted by: Organic | Nov 17 2025 2:01 utc | 143

Astute summary of Zelensky corruption scandal: 
https://open.substack.com/pub/petermcculloughmd/p/ukrainian-corruption-scandal-likely?r=oqurf&utm_medium=ios 

Posted by: PJB | Nov 17 2025 2:37 utc | 145

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 17 2025 2:53 utc | 148
 
…much of western Europe… Wish there was an edit feature. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 17 2025 2:55 utc | 147

A 50 cal will literally cut trees down.  I honestly think 99% of the time if you get hit with with just one 50 cal round in your torso you would be dead.

Posted by: TundraTide | Nov 17 2025 3:08 utc | 149

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 17 2025 3:54 utc | 152
 
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Colonialism is not human nature unless you don’t think the Chinese are human…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 17 2025 3:57 utc | 151

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 17 2025 4:01 utc | 154
 
Given modern weaponry, drones and FABs and missiles, they are not much more than traps collecting bodies for the harvest. 

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 17 2025 4:12 utc | 153

@ Naive | Nov 16 2025 22:57 utc | 107 I have no deep knowledge of the French constitution so take your point, but is there no means by which the French parliament can have a say in a declaration of a state of war? Genuine question, or are things arranged such that the president is able to override any checks and balances?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 23:05 utc | 110.
Don’t forget Germany..
The German Chancellor, in conjunction with the Defense Committee, has the power to declare a “state of tension” and thereby enact laws that would grant him almost dictatorship without requiring the approval of the Bundestag or Bundesrat!
With regard to the increasingly powerful AfD party, he could ban it without any possibility of legal recourse.
And if you observe the media and speeches in the Bundestag, where the AfD is accused of espionage, specifically spying for Russia, you get the feeling that something is being prepared.
If a “state of tension” is declared—and a fake attack, such as one involving the hijacking of an SU-35 and a Kinzal missile, would suffice—the Chancellor, representing the warmongering party, would have every opportunity to eliminate his competitor, the AfD.
And… if the “state of tension” lasts longer than three months, this ban would remain legally binding even after that.
In short: They are lashing out on their deathbed….. Consider the planned hijacking of the SU35 with Kinzal in connection with the EU’s behind-the-scenes plans…and the plans of each individual head of state to use this opportunity to eliminate enemies at home.

Posted by: Genesis | Nov 17 2025 4:23 utc | 155

from simplicius – in the war in truly hell dept –
 
”
A Ukrainian soldier from the 35th Marine Brigade:
The brigade will be withdrawn; the losses are terrible. I hope others are not facing the same. We are holding the defence.
All losses come from FPVs and KAB (Fab bombs) strikes; no one has seen the enemy face-to-face. Sometimes snipers work, but that is rare. You come to war and get burned by an FPV or torn apart by a KAB; who you were actually fighting — no one knows. This is how it is everywhere now, and this is how it will always be.
Here, the one who survives is the one who digs deeper and doesn’t stick his head out unnecessarily. I always tell newcomers to stay deep in the ground and not test their luck.
But the irony is that the longer you fight, the more willingly you stay underground, and the less you’ve fought, the more often you stick your head out, whether you need to or not. That’s why only the old hands survive.
Many are afraid they might get buried underground, but that’s only likely if a KAB lands close or heavy artillery hits. The chances are low. More likely, a drone will fly in and tear your skull or chest apart with its payload.
Another fear is when the groin artery is ripped — the chances of survival are small, but at least it isn’t very painful. The wounded sit in a “thinker’s pose” and wait for death; it comes to everyone sooner or later.
Some people came and said not to spread information about the situation in the brigade. Good thing no one knows I run this channel. They’ll be surprised — without truth, there will be no victory, remember that.
And even if they find out, how will they punish me? Send me to the war? Hahaha.”

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2025 4:59 utc | 157

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 17 2025 4:15 utc | 156
 
######
 
And you miss my point completely. I believe human nature exists but I am not a cynic. Cynicism emerges from lack of imagination and intellectual sloth, IMO.
 
The Chinese don’t coloniae. They don’t tend to rape or genocide.
 
Are they not human?
 
What is more likely, the Chinese are not human or Zionists are not human?
 
Why do you preference one over the other?
 
Just because one ideology is shit that doesn’t mean all ideologies are shit. To not discern and account for differences is akin to rejecting reasoning completely.
 
I don’t know if it is just a Western thing or what but there are people and places that are not as messed up as America and Europe.
 
My thesis is that many of those messed up places are messed up by America and Europe. Being messed up is NOT their natural state. It’s Europeans that had 2 World Wars in 50 years. It’s the colonial Empire with bases worldwide. It was the Romans who built Hadrian’s Wall.
 
Yemen, while poor, is a calm and socially comfortable country. As is Iran for the most part. Both have been looted, throttled, and subverted by the colonial powers. Cuba, Venezuela, and Indonesia too.
 
Is A=A?
 
If so, please don’t regard the Chinese government or the government in Sanaa as equivalent to America or France, because that is wrong.
 
Some humans are pedophiles. Not all humans are pedophiles as a result of those few
 
This is rudimentary logic.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 17 2025 6:01 utc | 159

Oreshnik wider ripples… Martin Armstrong believes White House Ballroom is cover for Bunker renovations:
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/top-trump-officials-move-to-us-military-bases/
 

White House ballroom renovation includes an undisclosed security feature. The original East Wing, built in 1902, featured an underground bunker. The Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) was used during World War II and the 9/11 premeditated demolitions…. little discussion of the updated security features that will be added to the existing bunker.

Posted by: Mercury | Nov 17 2025 6:04 utc | 161

The Chinese don’t colonize…
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 17 2025 6:02 utc | 162

 
They do colonics…
All 1.4 billion of them…
All at the same time…
Whoooooooosh…

Posted by: drinky crow | Nov 17 2025 7:11 utc | 163

Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 16 2025 16:49 utc | 24
Also, I find those who are so embittered with their life’s failures that they publicly pine for a societal-collapse of the western world [which FYI now includes Japan/Korea/India/Taiwan] disgusting.  That’s not to say the western world is not in desperate need of a societal reformation but, a societal-collapse [based on previous episodes] requires the deaths billions of innocent peoples who are just decent people muddling through this mortal coil.  I add, neither the leadership of Russia or China wish such an outcome, indeed if those who wish for a societal-collapse were either Russian or Chinese citizens their lives would be just as miserable.  Why?  Well, keeping it short, nobody likes a sore loser and both Russia and China have seen their share of losers over the years, they know all to well how to dispose of them. On another subject, it’s becoming clearer and clearer that there are deep ties between Israel and the modern day Waffen SS of Galicia.  Southern Cyprus has become a safe haven for the genocidal-Israeli/Galicia-set.  Safe from harm but, with front row seats allowing the genocidal-ghouls to see every detail of their victims demise,  all the blood and gore dripping onto the coliseum floor.
——————
Excellent comment S Brennan

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 17 2025 7:54 utc | 165

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/any-country-doing-business-with-russia-will-be-very-severely-sanctioned-trump/article70289447.ece
Any country doing business with Russia will be ‘very severely’ sanctioned..
Is this now something that can really destroy the Russian economy?
 
 

Posted by: Hypno | Nov 17 2025 8:37 utc | 167

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 17 2025 8:55 utc | 170
 
Europe absolutely needs America.
 
 
<=IMO, the USA and its wall street bums might answer Europe’s call. but  Americans do not need or want Europe.. The chasm between Americans and Europeans is growing.. in spite of the USA’s efforts to paint a rosy picture of Europe.   Americans fought and paid for two wars for Europe and they can see Europe is trying to force Americans into a third world war.
 
 
 

Posted by: snake | Nov 17 2025 9:28 utc | 169

MuniMO@77
 
In my reading of the situation this is by a calculated choice of RF.
Compare going slow at just above the adversary attrition replacement rate, giving your economy through the arms industry the right size stimulus it can absorb and grow, only spending a fraction of the production on the war, and building up the military while depleting the adversary military, to mobilizing a large army and switching to a war time economy. The UA war is just one move in a larger scheme of things and killing yourself just to complete it would not be rational.
 

Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Nov 17 2025 10:32 utc | 171

Posted by: snake | Nov 17 2025 9:28 utc | 171
Americans fought and paid for two wars for Europe and they can see Europe is trying to force Americans into a third world war.
Book recommandation: Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War / Gerry Docherty, James MacGregor
Both World Wars were prepared by the Anglo-Americans. WW1 by Cecil Rhodes, Nathaniel Rothschild, Alfred Millner etc., WW2 by Norman Montague (Bank of England), Henry Ford, Prescott Bush, Bernays (father of modern propaganda) etc.
Our European elites are controlled by the Transatlantic mafia. They are too dumb to act on their own. Just have a look at Baerbock or Habeck.

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 17 2025 11:06 utc | 173

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 17 2025 10:39 utc | 174
Obviously western Europe would lose a fight with Russia
That’s likely. Our armies are weakened by toxic spike proteins, badly equipped, lots of material is defective, they have sent lots of weapons and ammunition to Ukraine, western arms are often overengineered/overexpensive and not suited for battlefield situations. Besides, our doctrines are outdated compared to the Russian ones with their swarm and AI drones.
Also:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/aug/09/radioactive-water-bomb-base-scotland-leak-sea-fileshttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/08/naval-base-gets-female-commander-wake-submarine-abuse-accusations/

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 17 2025 11:15 utc | 175

@178
“They will probably reinforce their current successes, that is, fronts converging toward Pokrovsk…”
meant…
They will probably reinforce their current successes, that is, fronts converging toward Pavlograd.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2025 11:24 utc | 177

Posted by: Milites | Nov 16 2025 22:45 utc | 101
Europe alone could easily FU Russia, trouble is Russia can equally FU Europe, it’s called deterrence, […]
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 17 2025 8:55 utc | 170
I have serious doubts about your equivalence. 
 

For a big picture view of tbe European defense industries ecosystem from an insider (former US deputy undersecretary of defense for policy and president of the North American division of Italy’s largest defense company) I recommend following the writings of Stephen Bryen.
 
Here are two articles from Bryen supporting my view that Europe is a feeble force if it alone faces Russia, not at all equivalent, not at all without America:
https://asiatimes.com/2025/03/is-europe-rearming-the-jury-is-still-out/
https://asiatimes.com/2025/03/investor-beware-of-robust-european-defense-spending/

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 17 2025 11:59 utc | 179

Ukraine to import gas from Greece – Greece gets its gas from Russia.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2025 12:19 utc | 181

@168 Catalina
 
“My life is nowhere near a failure. It has been quite successful and rewarding. I still hope a complete societal collapse. Nothing else can save some remnants of the Western culture and ideal.”
 
I agree with the first 2 sentences as applied to me.  Ups and downs, and here I am.
 
Sentence 3:  Me, I think that societal collapse in the US is unavoidable.  Our corporate masters (or the deep state as others would say) have been overly successful in getting Americans to hate each other.  I am hoping that the US  collapses in a way that avoids nuclear war, and allows for the US to be rebuilt after 20 years to turmoil.  A few destroyed nuclear power plants, and large sections of the US could be uninhabitable for quite some time.
 
Sentence 4:  It will take 20 years or so for Americans to forget all the crap we know now.  Reagan is no longer a divisive President, and even Bush is mostly forgotten.  If it weren’t for the Epstein files and memes of Trump blowing Clinton, the Clintons would also be forgotten.  Biden has only been out of office for less than a year and even HE no longer matters, and Kamala is also a non-issue (though she can still do damage to democrats if she runs for President in 2028, or if she sabotages a candidate by endorsing that candidate).
 
The Chinese had their century of humiliation.  Russia had about a decade of humiliation from around 1990 to around 2000.  Maybe more like a decade and a half or even two.  Hopefully our time of humiliation will be like Russia, rather than the full century that China endured.

Posted by: Woke American | Nov 17 2025 12:53 utc | 183

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 17 2025 0:52 utc | 131
This is the best post I ever read on MoA in years! Thanks from heart for it!
The collapse may come faster than everyone here is aware of. The writings on the wall is clearly readable for those who can read. 

Posted by: Aarsupilani | Nov 17 2025 13:42 utc | 185

Posted by: Asian Frog | Nov 17 2025 13:46 utc | 188
——————————
He will get the same agreement with each other euro country he will visit…
Words and some ink on a paper sheet, nothing behind to back it. No money, no capacity production. Empty promesses.

Posted by: scc | Nov 17 2025 13:55 utc | 187

Meanwhile, Mirnograd’s encirclement is extremely close to becoming a complete physical one. Since AFRF are known not to close off major cauldrons like this, why now?
 
Is this a sign of major military breakdown that AFU failed to withdraw in time? Even during Avdievka’s shockingly fast breakthrough AFU didn’t stick around.
 
Or is this a Mariupol 2.0 political decision?

Posted by: boneless | Nov 17 2025 14:05 utc | 189

“Industrial conversion is always an economy disrupting event which can/will last many years. That means for many years tax base will be smaller, subsidies will be high, and the subsidies will come out of social support and public sector budgets, which will also reinforce economic spiral of EU member states.
So it’s hard to see any rational or economic positives here. I think it will accelerate dissolution of the EU, already manifested by opinions and events in several east European countries. It’s a dead-end.”
 
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2025 12:11 utc | 182
 
Good analysis.

Posted by: canuk | Nov 17 2025 14:23 utc | 191

Meanwhile, Mirnograd’s encirclement is extremely close to becoming a complete physical one. Since AFRF are known not to close off major cauldrons like this, why now? Is this a sign of major military breakdown that AFU failed to withdraw in time? Even during Avdievka’s shockingly fast breakthrough AFU didn’t stick around. Or is this a Mariupol 2.0 political decision?
Posted by: boneless | Nov 17 2025 14:05 utc | 191<br><br>As far as I can tell, every single time the AFU has stayed and fought to the last man, the decision has either been solely political, or the political decision overrode the military one to do so, from Mariupol to Bakhmut to Avdeevka to Sudza and anywhere else I’ve missed. Since everything is all about optics, making sure Ukraine doesn’t look like it’s losing and/or that it’s still worthy of sending money and materiel to and/or looking “strong” in the face of Trump and/or basically to deny the Russians bragging rights for as long as possible always takes preference. Ever since Ye Olde Grande Counteroffensive 2023, TPTB have been more concerned with making sure that Ukraine wins the PR war far more than the real one. 

Posted by: Stark | Nov 17 2025 14:49 utc | 193

Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 17 2025 11:06 utc | 175
 
 
Our European elites are controlled by the Transatlantic mafia. They are too dumb to act on their own. Just have a look at Baerbock or Habeck.
 
 
 
 
<=I asked AI to outline things in the book.. below are ?  and answers. does the book document its claims with state papers and communications between these instigators?  WE need the evidence.. I asked to name the powerful group in London who manipulated historical narratives to conceal their role in instigating world war I..
 
 
The powerful group often associated with manipulating historical narratives related to the instigation of World War I is known as the British establishment, which includes influential political leaders, industrialists, and members of the aristocracy. Various historians and analysts suggest that figures within this establishment, including certain politicians and military leaders, played roles in shaping public perception and historical accounts of the war’s origins to protect their interests and maintain narratives favorable to their actions.

Additionally, various secret societies, such as the Round Table Movement, are sometimes implicated in discussions about the shaping of global politics during this era. These groups advocated for British imperial interests and aimed to create a new world order that aligned with their vision.
While there are many theories and debates around this topic, understanding the complexity of these narratives requires delving deeply into historical sources and differing interpretations.

I am interested in the names in the group disclosed in the Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War / Gerry Docherty, James MacGregor
 

In “Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War” by Gerry Docherty and James MacGregor, the authors argue that a cabal of influential figures played a significant role in orchestrating the events that led to the war. Some notable names and groups highlighted in their investigation include:

Key Figures and Groups

Name/Group
Role/Background

Lord Grey of Fallodon
British Foreign Secretary, instrumental in foreign policy decisions.

Alfred Milner
A key architect of imperial policy and member of the Round Table organization.

Cecil Rhodes
Influential imperialist whose ideas shaped British foreign policy.

The Round Table Group
A secret society advocating for British imperialism and global governance.

David Lloyd George
British Prime Minister during WWI, involved in decision-making leading to the war.

The Balfour Declaration (Arthur Balfour)
Represented interests leaning towards Zionism, influencing international politics.

Themes Discussed

• Imperial Interests: The authors suggest that the desire to expand and protect the British Empire motivated many of these individuals.
• Manipulation of Events: They contend that these leaders manipulated crises and narratives to justify entering the war and furthering their agendas.
• Cabal Influence: The book posits that a small, organized group operated behind the scenes to shape public and political opinion, often at the expense of transparency.

The authors present a controversial thesis that challenges traditional narratives about the causes of World War I, emphasizing the roles of these powerful individuals and organizations.

yes but except for those mentioned above who else does the book point as members organized as a group which operated behind the scenes to shape public and political opinion and say were these people all European ?
 

In “Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War,” Docherty and MacGregor point to several other key figures and networks that operated behind the scenes, shaping public and political opinion. Here are some additional names and details:
Additional Key Figures and Groups

Name
Role/Background

Geoffrey Dawson
Editor of The Times, played a significant role in shaping public perception through media.

Rudyard Kipling
Author and propagandist, whose writings supported imperialist narratives.

Winston Churchill
Played crucial roles in military and governmental decisions during the war.

The Royal Institute of International Affairs
Established to promote British imperial interests globally.

H. G. Wells
Writer and social commentator, influenced public opinion through literature.

International Influence

• While many of these figures were European, the narrative also acknowledges influences from other regions, especially concerning broader imperial interests. For example, Cecil Rhodes had connections to various parts of the British Empire, particularly in Africa, which extended the group’s influence beyond Europe.
• The United States also played a role, particularly with business leaders and political figures who supported British interests during the war. However, the book primarily focuses on European players and their global network of associates.

Conclusion
The authors argue that this network of influential figures had far-reaching impacts, both in Europe and across the empire, shaping the political landscape that led to World War I. This exploration of a coordinated effort draws attention to the complexities behind historical narratives and decisions made during this tumultuous time.

can you say more about the involvement of Zionism in creating the conditions that led to WWI as described in the Hidden History.. book?
 
 
 

In “Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War,” Docherty and MacGregor discuss the role of Zionism in the context of World War I, focusing on how certain Zionist interests intersected with British imperial ambitions. Here are key points regarding this involvement:
Zionism’s Influence on WWI
Context of British Support

• Balfour Declaration: One of the pivotal moments highlighted in the book is the Balfour Declaration of 1917, in which the British government expressed support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine. This support was partly a strategy to gain favor with Jewish communities in the United States and elsewhere, hoping to secure additional political backing for the war effort.

Key Figures

• Chaim Weizmann: A prominent Zionist leader and chemist, Weizmann was influential in persuading British officials of the benefits of supporting Zionism. The authors suggest that his negotiations and relationships with key British leaders helped facilitate the Balfour Declaration.

Strategic Interests

• Geopolitical Maneuvering: Docherty and MacGregor argue that British support for Zionism was not purely ideological. The authors contend that aligning with Zionist aspirations served British imperial interests by securing a foothold in the strategically important region of Palestine.

Underlying Narratives

• Manipulation of National Identity: The book posits that the British establishment, influenced by Zionist goals, manipulated national identities and sentiments, portraying support for Zionism as part of the war narrative. This served to unify different factions under a common cause.

Conclusion
Docherty and MacGregor argue that the interplay between Zionism and British imperial ambition contributed to the larger dialogue surrounding the causes of World War I. This suggests a more complex narrative involving not just traditional political and military factors but also religious and ideological motivations that shaped the geopolitical landscape of the time.

 
 
<=I observe similar to the USA governed America the Uk government is the weapon elite depend on to make happen when elite want something done.  and in the case mentioned in the book. seems most of the want centered around the British elite invention of Zionism. ?  Bernays  introduced propaganda into  Wilson administration and that was used to convince Americans to pay for the European war.. The Federal reserve 1913 act of 1913 and the 16th amendment. 
 
 
I want to find the book in pdf. format can you say where?   

Posted by: snake | Nov 17 2025 15:02 utc | 195

Regarding Rafale fighters.
First of all, this is an EU money laundering scheme for officials and politicians. Tax money goes in, middle maker (Zelensky and Ukrainian officials) take their share, money comes back to EU politician/official bank accounts (or they go to Kiev and pick up stacks of cash, as seen in recent photos, neatly packed). Money also goes to corporate accounts.
 
Now, when it comes to ‘buying’ 100 Rafale fighters (they also say 150 Gripen fighters) for Ukrainian air force, there is no way to base them, maintain or arm them anywhere within Ukraine.
If these planes were ever transferred to Ukraine’s air force, it seems most likely that they would simply be donated from Swedish and French air force. They would even most likely be flown by French or Swedish pilots and launched from Poland.
Essentially this is very unlikely. So there’s no goods moving and money moving into the Kiev laundromat.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2025 15:12 utc | 197

It’s all about booking future ‘possible’ revenues today as a fact to European defense contractors. Just another bubble waiting to blow up once the next government in Ukraine reneges debts owed to the west and removes these contracts.

 
It’s possible an EU controlled puppet government will commit to all these purchases but they won’t ever pay a dime as they have nothing which to pay with. All bills and ‘deals’ you see today will 100% be paid by EU citizens.

The new meta is signing a contract for delivering billions of dollars of hardware to Ukraine 5, 10, or 15 years down the road. No money has to change hands but your defense sector can add the revenue to its future projections. It doesn’t matter if Ukraine will even exist by then.

https://x.com/ripplebrain/status/1990196700787732667

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2025 15:19 utc | 199