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November 16, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-267
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A question for all: has there ever been any update/assessment of the Oreshnik strike? It’s been close to a year, IIRC, and I’ve never seen anything beyond the first assessments. Wikipedia claims there was minimal damage to the roofs of the building, and that that was confirmed by satellite images. We were somewhat giddy with the act, and there was a lot of conjecture about massive underground damage. Many of us felt that Ukraine’s complete lockdown of the site was proof of the damage, but that is of course not real evidence.
I will say an experience as a child leaves me to believe that the Wiki assessment *could* be true on the surface. I was shooting a .22 at an empty bleach bottle from about 30 feet. I rattled off four shots, but the bottle never moved. I was a pretty good shot with a BB gun, so I was pissed off that I had missed with all my shots. I went up to look at the bottle. 4 nice holes on one side, four exit holes on the other. I never missed, but the bottle never moved. My dad later explained that the momentum from the bullets was so large, and the speed so fast, it simply tore a hole without disturbing the rest of the bottle.
Since Oreshnik projectiles were travelling at 5-6x the speed of sound, it’s quite possible they punched tiny little holes in the roof before doing all their damage underground. But that’s all surmise, and not fact. Anyone have any updates of substance?
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 16 2025 13:21 utc | 1
If the damage was negligible it would have been paraded to earth’s all corners already.
Posted by: Catilina | Nov 16 2025 13:31 utc | 2
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 16 2025 13:21 utc | 1
I think it’s beyond doubt that this was an old Soviet military installation and there was an enormous space underground in several levels filled with everything possible, including, IIRC, railway repair workshops. And of course, the Russians had detailed information about everything underground and may have concluded there was a lot going on there. So, it was all destroyed.
The whole point with Oreshnik is it can penetrate deep so it’s not many targets that make sense. This was one that really made sense.
It also makes sense that the western powers won’t mention it, or dismiss it.
Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 16 2025 13:45 utc | 3
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 16 2025 13:21 utc | 1
Oreshnik collapsed and pancaked some buildings, while in other areas the projectiles simply penetrated clean through the roof into underground sections. Yuzhmash is one of the, if not toughest built structures in the world built to withstand direct nuclear blast.
But remember it’s still an experimental weapon. There is evidence of craters in the ground, caused by explosion removing dirt to the sides, collapsed buildings due to falling on support structure of the building, but also simple penetrations through the roof, which did not cause collapsed buildings.
Yuzhmash is known for underground workshop. Most likely total aerial destruction is not required if even partial collapse of underground workshops are achieved, it will disrupt the operation.
Amerikanets full analysis.
https://www.amerikanets.com/p/yuzhmash-and-oreshnik-demystified
Takeaways
I believe these images confirm Ted Postol’s assessment that the Oreshnik’s kinetic projectiles deliver the approximate energy of a 250kg bomb, though the nature of this energy is different. The projectiles are moving so quickly that they punch a hole through most anything until they hit the ground. When we see severe enough roof failure to get a good look at the damage, we see an impact crater 100ft in diameter and a lot of dirt. This implies that the projectile is penetrating into or through the foundation of the building. These structures were built by the Soviets and are extremely tough, so if the projectiles are capable of punching through them and reaching earth (or pulverizing the foundations enough that they look like earth), they’re delivering a lot of energy.
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Additionally, both the MERVs and the kinetic submunitions are extremely accurate. The gap between their impacts is as small as 25 feet in places, and the >=3 lines of impacts are evenly spaced. This makes the absence of at least one or as many as three of the MERVs puzzling. Either we’re seeing overlapping impacts (“double taps”) from multiple MERVs, or some of them missed the plant entirely. Cassette B is potentially a double tap. It’s also possible there were other targets in Dnipro, outside the plant, or perhaps some of the MERVs malfunctioned and missed the mark. This lines up with the videos of the strike which show one set of projectiles landing well away from the others. It is a prototype weapon after all.
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What is the Oreshnik? Here are three different ways to think about it:
- It’s a way to deliver a strategic bomber’s worth of destruction without the strategic bomber.
- It gives the Russians the capability to deal the damage of 36x 250kg bombs to any target within several thousand miles in less than 20 minutes, and with no chance of interception.
- It can deliver the damage of a few dozen Iskanders with a single missile, and do it from 10 times as far away
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A lingering open question is how much damage, if any, occurred underground. Yuzhmash is infamous for its underground workshops, which the Soviets allegedly designed to withstand a nuclear blast. The Oreshnik’s projectiles certainly seem to have penetrative power, but how deep they go is beyond my pay grade. I’ll leave that problem to the amateur physicists, who hopefully catch wind of this post and use it to inform their calculations. If these projectiles are capable of penetrating as deeply as some analysts have speculated, that changes the picture quite a bit.
The Russians have solved the problem of how to cost-effectively attack dispersed targets with a ballistic missile. That doesn’t make it an all-powerful doomsday device, and it would likely take many Oreshniks to render a large facility like an air base (or Yuzhmash) completely inoperable. But the Russians do have the capability to mass produce them, and have openly stated their intent to do so, which makes the system a potential strategic game changer.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 13:48 utc | 4
FrankDrakman@1…….if only it was as fearsome as claimed……a few months ago Russia had to double tap the facility with Iskanders and other ordinance, so just a guess, the Orshnik did not deliver the goods…..
Cheers M
Speaking of velocity…….a .50 cal passing w
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 14:06 utc | 5
Oops, .50 passing within 6″ of an arm will supposedly rip the arm off………ouch.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 14:10 utc | 6
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 14:06 utc | 5
Do you have any evidence of this? Please provide it.
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 14:14 utc | 7
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 14:14 utc | 7
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Don’t lose time with him, the day he will post something positive about Russia, then wake up. For the rest, always the same boring rant.
Posted by: scc | Nov 16 2025 14:48 utc | 8
“Yuzhmash” Google search directs to “Pivdenmash” Wikipedia page. AI search for “Yuzhmash strike” yields A Russian missile strike on the Yuzhmash rocket and space plant in Dnipro, Ukraine, occurred on July 16, 2022. The attack killed three people and injured approximately 15 others, damaging nearby buildings. The Yuzhmash plant manufactures space rockets and other equipment, including parts for Ukrainian ballistic missiles and satellites, according to Russian authorities.
Information scrubbed much?
Posted by: frithguild | Nov 16 2025 14:52 utc | 9
Posted by: scc | Nov 16 2025 14:48 utc | 8
Muh washing machines and dirty Slavs muh…. Sorry but I’m so tired of “western bigotry”. I occasionally have to deal with it in my own family. I’m married to a Russian.
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 15:03 utc | 10
Regarding Yuzhmash:
There’s another underground communications center just outside the city. As I said, the Russians built atomic bombs. Certainly, especially in the 70s and 80s, that was a must for such facilities.
No, there are two similar facilities further east in Russia, built in a similar way.
The city (around Yuzhmash) and the surrounding area (about 15 km) were considered a high-security zone during the Soviet era. Basically, everyone in the city worked for or in this factory. From the bakery to the kindergarten, everything had the factory as a backstop. After Ukraine’s secession, much was dismantled despite Ukraine’s promise to remain neutral. Skilled workers were sometimes forcibly resettled towards Russia or transferred far to similar facilities further east. It’s quite possible that the first SS-20 missiles were developed and equipped with nuclear warheads deep underground back then. The factory is also electromagnetically shielded! Something some people always forget to understand. One can also assume that the city’s inhabitants, at least the older ones and those who knew more… would have kept their mouths shut 100%, as I said, they were all knowingly pulled out anyway.
How extensive the destruction is at depths of, for example, 85 to 140 meters (yes, they were that deep down) we will never know, even if NATO were to win. This is due to secrecy or the fear of being technologically so far behind the Russians. And technologically speaking, the West has a lot of catching up to do – about 25 years!
Never forget… NATO and the USA build their power on fear and superiority, on nothing but fear… be it in terms of weapons or financial power (dollar power). To lose both means to lose respect. And that would be fatal for the West.
Addendum:
I was near the factory about 40 years ago… I could see the factory from the workers’ hotel… without being able to see the end from the 5th floor.
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 15:26 utc | 11
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 15:26 utc | 11
A growing number of Americans no longer care whether these developments are “fatal” to the “west” because they no longer feel as though they have a stake in the economy, anyway. There are no “dividends” for most Americans.
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 15:33 utc | 12
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 15:33 utc | 12
A very pithy remark-thanks.
Posted by: canuk | Nov 16 2025 15:39 utc | 13
A growing number of Americans no longer care whether these developments are “fatal” to the “west” because they no longer feel as though they have a stake in the economy, anyway. There are no “dividends” for most Americans.
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 15:33 utc | 12.
Dividends are the reason for technological failure in the West… Without promises of millions or billions, capitalists hardly develop anything unless they know whether it will generate dividends for themselves or their shareholders. If not, a takeover occurs.
The advantage of a dictatorship (like Russia is supposed to be??)Dividends aren’t important… what matters are BETTER weapons than the enemy; for that, medals are handed out, or even the Gulack.
The latter would be good for many a CEO in the West and for almost all politicians.
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 15:41 utc | 14
Article on the “Sheikh Tamirchannel:.Russia’s Burevestnik and Oreshnik missiles are causing NATO great concern, reports the German newspaper “Die Welt,” citing an alliance document.
The Burevestnik, designated by NATO as SSC-X-9 Skyfall, is characterized by exceptional range and maneuverability, reaching speeds of over 900 kilometers per hour and capable of launching from mobile platforms. This information comes from a NATO intelligence document obtained by the German newspaper.
NATO estimates that the missile’s nuclear reactor gives it theoretically unlimited range. It can travel tens of thousands of kilometers without refueling, remain airborne for extended periods, change course, and attack targets from any direction.
The Burevestnik can fly long, indirect routes and evade NATO air defenses, even over southern and polar regions where surveillance is minimal.
The alliance believes that a fully operational Burevestnik would pose significant challenges to Europe. Should Russia deploy this system, NATO would face an extremely difficult-to-control threat.
Some NATO experts point out, however, that the cruise missiles do not reach hypersonic speeds and become increasingly vulnerable as their flight duration increases. They overlook the fact that they would be undetectable down to 15 meters above the ground.
NATO experts are also investigating the Oreshnik missile. Particularly concerning are its range of up to 5,500 kilometers and the possibility of equipping the warhead with various types of munitions, including nuclear weapons. Even without a nuclear warhead, the impact depth is already up to 250 meters.
“The ability to attack targets anywhere in Europe, combined with the high mobility of the delivery system, ensures a high degree of survivability. The uncertainty regarding the warheads used presents NATO with defense policy challenges,” the document states.
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 15:50 utc | 15
scc@8……. sorry, I find nothing, absolutely fucking nothing positive about slaughtering soldiers regardless of which side they fight on, all the while their masters discuss matters of partnerships…….oligarchs filling their pockets……I find the blood lust of a few here abhorrently disgusting…..you?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 16:06 utc | 16
Saint Jimmy@7……sorry no evidence, just first hand accounts from fellow veterans who have seen combat………probably liars, you how veterans are …….
…….if you want to test the mechanics of it, I’m sure there are more than enough five Os in your hood to help you out, are you a lefty, or a righty, tough choice either way ……….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 16:15 utc | 17
***NATO experts are also investigating the Oreshnik missile. Particularly concerning are its range of up to 5,500 kilometers and the possibility of equipping the warhead with various types of munitions, including nuclear weapons. Even without a nuclear warhead, the impact depth is already up to 250 meters.***
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 15:50 utc | 15
This construction of narrative is telling. NATO et als want to categorize Oreshnik as a nuclear weapon, when it is not. Now the games that are being played with Tomahawk (Maybe nuclear maybe not) make sense. If Oreshnik is maybe nuclear, an agreement regarding Tomahawk deployment may be leverage to reduce the Oreshnik risk profile. The way NATO et als are thrashing around on Tomahawk tells be the RF has been saying we are willing to talk about arms limitations but “nyet” to anything on the Oreshnik risk profile. (All my SWAG).
Posted by: frithguild | Nov 16 2025 16:20 utc | 18
Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 14th November 2025: May be Useful to Some: Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update
Posted by: The Busker | Nov 16 2025 16:22 utc | 19
Ah yes more delusional Western tolling by typical subjects. The leprechaun has yet to be right about..checks notes…anything. Meanwhile frankdrekman posts the kind of cope I associate with children losing in online games. Pure fantasy.i
There’s only one nation firing blanks, and that would be the mighty US of A. Remind me how many planes they lost against the houthis. Venezeula will be another nail in the coffin of Western pretensions of world dominance.
Meanwhile Russia has a nuclear capable missiles with no effective limitations on range that can strike from any direction. Do tell me more about the failed American projects to modernize their ICBMs, to develop a hypersonic missile, to procure drones..
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 16 2025 16:30 utc | 20
US & Russia ‘actively discuss’ settlement of Ukraine conflict – Moscow
RT. Published: 16 Nov 2025 | 15:32 GMT
The understanding reached at the Alaska summit is still in force, President Putin’s aide Yury Ushakov has said. Moscow has praised what it called Washington’s willingness to mediate and consider the conflict’s underlying causes.
This gives me hope that Trump and Putin did reach a wink-wink mutual understanding on the deeper causes of the SMO, that their rivalry is pointless, and that the US might really address Russia’s wider security concerns, ie NATO encroachment, EU missiles, proxy wars next door to it, etc. I suspect there is so much not being openly said about this as Trump walks his tightrope between his DS, Pentagon impotence, public bluster, needing to escape Ukraine, Arctic economics, international Russophobia, etc. Trump doesn’t want more shit with RF but doesn’t know how to do that, nor get it through TPTB.
Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | Nov 16 2025 16:35 utc | 21
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 16:06 utc | 16
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No my dear, don’t try to divert, there is nothing amusing or to be rejoiced in this war, but that’s not the subject of what I wrote about you.
Posted by: scc | Nov 16 2025 16:42 utc | 22
The enemy threw elite special forces at Kupyansk to try to free 1000s of AFU in the cauldron. BUT–the RF 68th division destroyed the SOF and GUR militants Our operators of attack drones of the 68th motorized rifle division found a well-equipped elite special forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in anti-thermal imaging capes and destroyed it. Guardsmen of the 68th division of the West group of forces continue to repel the “counteroffensive” of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine trying to break through to the blocked troops in the Kupyansk area in the Kharkiv region, which is being cleared by Russian fighters.” -RVvoenkor
https://x.com/amborin/status/1990062915911909796
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 16:49 utc | 23
“I find nothing, absolutely
fuckingnothing positive about slaughtering soldiers regardless of which side they fight on…I find the blood lust of a few here abhorrently disgusting…” – Sean the leprechaun 16
I Concur.
Also, I find those who are so embittered with their life’s failures that they publicly pine for a societal-collapse of the western world [which FYI now includes Japan/Korea/India/Taiwan] disgusting. That’s not to say the western world is not in desperate need of a societal reformation but, a societal-collapse [based on previous episodes] requires the deaths billions of innocent peoples who are just decent people muddling through this mortal coil. I add, neither the leadership of Russia or China wish such an outcome, indeed if those who wish for a societal-collapse were either Russian or Chinese citizens their lives would be just as miserable. Why? Well, keeping it short, nobody likes a sore loser and both Russia and China have seen their share of losers over the years, they know all to well how to dispose of them.
On another subject, it’s becoming clearer and clearer that there are deep ties between Israel and the modern day Waffen SS of Galicia. Southern Cyprus has become a safe haven for the genocidal-Israeli/Galicia-set. Safe from harm but, with front row seats allowing the genocidal-ghouls to see every detail of their victims demise, all the blood and gore dripping onto the coliseum floor.
Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 16 2025 16:49 utc | 24
Destruction of Canadian-Made Military Vehicles Near Kupyansk
The FPV drone unit of the Western military grouping has successfully destroyed a Canadian-made “Senator” armored vehicle and several other pieces of Ukrainian military equipment near Kupyansk. Soldiers from the unmanned systems divisions of the 68th motorized rifle division are actively targeting any enemy vehicles attempting to break through to encircled Ukrainian units. Footage captured by objective control shows direct hits from FPV drones, resulting in the destruction of the “Senator” armored vehicle and multiple pickups carrying Ukrainian fighters. Utilizing kamikaze drones, Russian servicemen effectively disrupt enemy rotations and supply lines.
https://t.me/militarywave/20745
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 16:53 utc | 25
The worst thing here is that, at the time, b was considered one of the level-headed commentators. You had crazies like martyanov foaming at the mouth and declaring that Russia would be at Poland’s border in a few weeks.
But come to think of it, that’s not even the worst. No, the absolutely lowest of the low in that, in all these years, b did not ONCE stop to reflect on all these abject failures. He just, like all the other clowns of the Z-crowd, kept moving the goal posts and predicting Russia”s victory any day soon (while prudently refraining from giving a specific time frame).
I think it’s at this point I started losing all respect for him.
Posted by: Micron | Nov 16 2025 16:57 utc | 26
Oh, seems like my posts disappeared.. Too bad ;-). Looks like I hurt a nerve. I just reposted old blog posts from the host himself… Maybe it’s a bit difficult to look at oneself in the mirror ?
Posted by: Micron | Nov 16 2025 16:58 utc | 27
Also, I find those who are so embittered with their life’s failures that they publicly pine for a societal-collapse of the western world [which FYI now includes Japan/Korea/India/Taiwan] disgusting. That’s not to say the western world is not in desperate need of a societal reformation but, a societal-collapse [based on previous episodes] requires the deaths billions of innocent peoples who are just decent people muddling through this mortal coil. I add, neither the leadership of Russia or China wish such an outcome, indeed if those who wish for a societal-collapse were either Russian or Chinese citizens their lives would be just as miserable. Why? Well, keeping it short, nobody likes a sore loser and both Russia and China have seen their share of losers over the years, they know all to well how to dispose of them..Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 16 2025 16:49 utc | 24….
Since when do the elites care about millions of dead?
They would accept millions of deaths in Europe alone if they succeeded in provoking the Russians… (their main concern in this case is probably that US territory remains undamaged).They would even applaud a nuclear war in Europe and cheer it on behind closed doors… They would welcome the collapse of world trade, resulting in millions more deaths from hunger and disease… Which, in turn, would serve their goal of reducing the world’s population.
So don’t spout nonsense here about “You tolerate innocent deaths.” Start by looking at what your own government tolerates, what they would allow to save their own skin, or at least to be among the approximately 3 billion survivors.
And don’t assume any decency or conscience in doing so. That way, you and people who think like you won’t be disappointed.
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 17:01 utc | 29
Damn it!
The editor formats the text however it wants…There are better options for the forum system… this editor is just CHEAP.
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 17:03 utc | 30
silly scenes from inside the coal mine. Shouldn’t be long now.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Nov 16 2025 17:04 utc | 31
Also, I find those who are so embittered with their life’s failures that they publicly pine for a societal-collapse of the western world [which FYI now includes Japan/Korea/India/Taiwan] disgusting. That’s not to say the western world is not in desperate need of a societal reformation but, a societal-collapse [based on previous episodes] requires the deaths billions of innocent peoples who are just decent people muddling through this mortal coil. I add, neither the leadership of Russia or China wish such an outcome, indeed if those who wish for a societal-collapse were either Russian or Chinese citizens their lives would be just as miserable. Why? Well, keeping it short, nobody likes a sore loser and both Russia and China have seen their share of losers over the years, they know all to well how to dispose of them. On another subject, it’s becoming clearer and clearer that there are deep ties between Israel and the modern day Waffen SS of Galicia. Southern Cyprus has become a safe haven for the genocidal-Israeli/Galicia-set. Safe from harm but, with front row seats allowing the genocidal-ghouls to see every detail of their victims demise, all the blood and gore dripping onto the coliseum floor.
Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 16 2025 16:49 utc | 24Reminds me of something I saw on social media, “when you get turned down for your tenth job in a row but then the bomb hits”. Cartoon character angrily closes their laptop, but then sees the brightness from outside their window, and goes to open their window and stare at the expanding mushroom cloud as if it’s a beautiful sunrise. Elbow propping their head up on the window sill, small, dreamy smile, blissful, peaceful (and yes, completely ignoring all the unpleasantness that comes with being so close to Ground Zero, like being flash-burned so fast that the pain wouldn’t have time to travel up the neurons to the brain fast enough, instant blindness as your eyeballs melt, being flattened by the wall of shrapnel, etc).The top comments were basically “I feel like a lot of people wanna die but they don’t wanna be the one to do it” and other similar sentiments. And I completely agree; hell I think I’ve said so once or twice in my very first comments on MoA, a lot of people wanting Russia to just nuke <insert capital here> and get it over with, knowing full well what would happen next, really do want that civilizational and societal collapse. They really do want to die. They do not want to be here. They think this world, this society, this species (us) is beyond saving and really want it to all be over (and assuming that the nuke would go off right above their house and instantly delete them, instead of “far enough away to survive the initial blast but now you still have to deal with the fire, destruction, radiation, and understandably batshit crazy people around you”), but because it actually takes a lot to want to kill yourself and even more to actually even attempt it, someone, something else needs to push the button.So yeah, Brennan, you are not wrong. MOA is full of people who really want this world to burn, and most likely because they do not wish to live on it anymore.
Posted by: Stark | Nov 16 2025 17:10 utc | 32
Posted by: Micron | Nov 16 2025 16:57 utc | 26
Apologies but I have yet to see you contribute thoughts worthy of analysis. Youre just a pro Western propagandist. Real analysis comes from following the data, not from ideology. From the data, Russia has humbled NATO, including the US, which falls further and further behind in the defacto arms race while trying to forment chaos around the world in order to somehow change the inevitable end America is rushing towards, financial collapse.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 16 2025 17:12 utc | 33
Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 16 2025 16:49 utc | 24
No person’s opinions on this subject mean jack $Hit. i want otters to survive and fuck people. why? cuz otters know they need water and people don’t. societal collapse will be the salvation of the planet. if you cared about all those billions of people, you’d be accelerating the collapse of this nightmare “civilization.” best way to start? you drink a big cup of gasoline. that will do wonders for the planet’s health.
Posted by: duck n cover | Nov 16 2025 17:13 utc | 34
❗️🇺🇦🏴☠️🇬🇧 Pavel Lisyansky, one of the authors of the psychological-disinformation operation developed jointly with the British, the “Bucha Massacre” and a propagandist of the Verkhovna Rada, died as a result of a car accident.
The death of a figure of this level may well be a purge of witnesses.
🔺The bastard knew too much.
And before fleeing to the west, the leaders of the Ukrainian Reich do not want to leave such witnesses alive. Or MI6 killed him. They don’t need witnesses to their crimes either.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/169887
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 16 2025 17:13 utc | 35
Oops, .50 passing within 6″ of an arm will supposedly rip the arm off………ouch. Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 14:10 utc | 6
Horseshit.
Posted by: drinky crow | Nov 16 2025 17:41 utc | 36
Guardsmen of the 68th division of the West group of forces continue to repel the “counteroffensive” of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine trying to break through to the blocked troops in the Kupyansk area in the Kharkiv region, which is being cleared by Russian fighters.” -RVvoenkor
Carefully reading between lines of this piece of ‘war bulletin’, which is very reminiscent of those from the Second World War, we learn that Russian troops have NATO troops attacking in front of them, and NATO troops behind them who (they say) are encircled. It seems to me that if Russians have enemy in front AND behind them, the ones encircled are the Russians, not the NATO/UKR troops!!
Posted by: Louis | Nov 16 2025 17:52 utc | 37
Horseshit.
Posted by: drinky crow | Nov 16 2025 17:41 utc | 36.
This effect exists…
But not due to the caliber, but rather the spin of the projectile.
And there are high-velocity projectiles where a through-and-through shot, for example, in the arm, is fatal due to nerve paralysis. The 4.5 mm of the new Kalashnikov is such a caliber, but not in the basic version. We paratroopers in the GDR’s National People’s Army (NVA), however, had such weapons.
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 17:54 utc | 38
Posted by: Louis | Nov 16 2025 17:52 utc | 37.
It seems to you…???
Did you serve in the military?
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 17:57 utc | 39
A couple of days ago I heard a rumour of Russian Kinzahl hypersonic missle launch into the Sumy region. I thought if it was true there must have been a very important target there which would justify such a launch. Today I finally found confirmation so I thought I’d share it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcEqWgbiGPY
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Nov 16 2025 17:57 utc | 40
I have a lot to be bitter about but hey, I have a lot to be grateful for, just like most people in the modern world. You play the cards life deals*. Duck n Cover – [34], in ironic form self-professes what I was talking about in my comment at [24]. It’s embarrassing the lack of self-awareness these embittered children have, now wonder they near the their end as a self-professing loser.
“…societal collapse [requiring the death of billions] will be the salvation of the planet. if you cared about all those billions of people, you’d be accelerating the collapse…start by drink[ing] a big cup of gasoline “
– duck n cover 34
*Pro-tip, if somebody has hurt you deeply when you were innocent/weak, you’ll never be able to achieve revenge in this life; you simply can not hurt your antagonist the way they hurt you. Period.End-of-Story.Fin.No-More-to-say. The level of hate…wrapped in helplessness that is displayed on these pages would be an embarrassment to any of the worlds greatest villains, at least they had ambition.
Posted by: S Brennan | Nov 16 2025 17:58 utc | 41
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 14:14 utc | 7
He is a known anti-Russian troll, supporter of the ukronazis. His “comments” most of the time are never longer than two lines. Typical from trolls and other agents provocateurs.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 18:02 utc | 42
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Nov 16 2025 17:57 utc | 40
Looked at the YT channel you suggested.
By comparison, the YouTube channel ‘The Military Show ‘ is a gathering of academics,
military historians, and veterans with years of fighting experience
Posted by: Louis | Nov 16 2025 18:06 utc | 43
This thread would be a better place if the fucking liars would be thrown away where they belong. Especially when they are froggies.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 18:07 utc | 44
🇫🇷🏴☠️🇺🇦👉🇷🇺 The French Foreign Minister admitted that the €140 billion interest-free loan to Ukraine, which the EU plans to secure using frozen Russian sovereign assets, will not be repaid by Kyiv.
z and v telegram
Posted by: Jo | Nov 16 2025 18:18 utc | 45
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 16:49 utc | 23
Excellent. Everytime the ukronazis are on the offensive, they are destroyed. There is a video showing the some 50 military vehicles after they have been destroyed on the same road.
Go, go, send more troops – preferably elite ones – to the people in cauldrons! The SMO will be achieved sooner thanks to your cooperation.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 18:26 utc | 46
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 16:15 utc | 17
No need, the physics of shockwaves answers your question, as air is not a dense enough medium to cause any damage. Even a grazing shot will not cause any more damage than one from a standard rifle round, as there’s not enough of the flesh affected to act as a significant transporter of the shockwave generated by the KE of the 50 cal.
A nearby miss from an antitank round can cause concussion and fractures though, but that’s because it can slam hatches shut on the unsuspecting crew.
Posted by: Milites | Nov 16 2025 18:32 utc | 47
“I feel like a lot of people wanna die but they don’t wanna be the one to do it” and other similar sentiments. And I completely agree; hell I think I’ve said so once or twice in my very first comments on MoA, a lot of people wanting Russia to just nuke <insert capital here> and get it over with, knowing full well what would happen next, really do want that civilizational and societal collapse. They really do want to die. They do not want to be here. They think this world, this society, this species (us) is beyond saving and really want it to all be over (and assuming that the nuke would go off right above their house and instantly delete them, instead of “far enough away to survive the initial blast but now you still have to deal with the fire, destruction, radiation, and understandably batshit crazy people around you”), but because it actually takes a lot to want to kill yourself and even more to actually even attempt it, someone, something else needs to push the button.So yeah, Brennan, you are not wrong. MOA is full of people who really want this world to burn, and most likely because they do not wish to live on it anymore.
Posted by: Stark | Nov 16 2025 17:10 utc | 32
Not just on MOA, and for many different reasons, heaps of people worldwide are in a growing state of despair. The 100 year old WW2 vet who told the BBC that the sacrifice of much of his generation was not worth it, as the UK was no longer a free country – Many white people worldwide are tired of being blamed for 500 years of history, while non-whites are not held responsible for the felony crimes they personally committed yesterday – Men of all sorts are tired of being bullied by fat ugly crazy misanthropic women put into positions of power – Myself, I will never get over the experience of being banned from employment and most public and commercial spaces in 2021 – 2022 because I refused a questionable medical intervention, and realising that 80% of my family, neighbours, (former) friends & co-workers who were fine with my virtual house arrest, and would also approve of me being sent to a concentration camp! When one can no longer tolerate the intolerable, nihilism beckons.
Posted by: Drifter | Nov 16 2025 18:39 utc | 48
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 16 2025 18:43 utc | 49
The possible sale of Nord Stream 2 to American investor Steven Lynch is a ‘sign of irrational policy’ by the German authorities, said Bundestag deputy from the far-right party Alternative for Germany (AfD), member of the Committee on Economic Affairs and Energy Steffen Kotré in an interview with RBC.
“Complete madness. It is a sign of irrational policy. This is how Europe, and Germany in particular, is being plundered, simply because of the obsessive idea to stop cooperation with Russia. So I am not surprised that now there are ideas to give everything to the Americans so that they just get money for nothing. Germany and Russia could easily restore the project. However, they (the German authorities — RBC) just want to invite a foreigner because they do not want to do anything themselves.”z and v
but
🇩🇪🏴☠️👉🇷🇺 After the war, Germany should again buy oil and gas from Russia, says the Prime Minister of Saxony
“Sanctions against Russia should be considered taking into account our own economic interests. Our interest should be to resume energy supplies from Russia after the ceasefire. Economic relations also strengthen our security,” said Michael Kretschmer.
According to Kretschmer, Europe needs cheap energy and therefore, in the long term, Russia should “once again become a trading partner – but so that we do not become dependent again.” He called the slogan “No more Russia” a mistake.As soon as the Prime Minister of Saxony got cold at home, his brain turned on. z and v
Anti-Russian sanctions have led to political and financial consequences for Europe, said the head of the Turkish Foreign Ministry.The conflict in Ukraine costs Europe €1 trillion in total expenses, added Hakan Fidan.zand v
According to Roman Kostenko, Secretary of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security, the number of soldiers who have gone AWOL is approaching the total strength of the entire Ukrainian army.He notes that approximately 80% of mobilized individuals “simply flee from training centers,” and the country is not taking effective measures to return these servicemen or to create conditions that would compel them to fulfill their duty. Millions of draft evaders are in hiding, observing from the sidelines, unwilling to participate in the conflict. Furthermore, the number of individuals mobilized in October was approximately 26,500, of whom 21,000 deserted, resulting in a net reinforcement of only about 5,000 personnel. This comes as monthly casualties (killed and wounded) are estimated at 20,000-25,000 servicemen. southfront
According to information from Ukrenergo, Russia launched more than 150 missiles and over 2,000 drones at Ukraine’s energy infrastructure in October and early November alone. southfront
🌾🇺🇦 In Ukraine, harvest disappears as almost all men were mobilized — TelegrafFarmers don’t have enough hands to harvest the crops. Because of this, it is sometimes easier to bury it than to harvest it — experts report@MyLordBebo
Posted by: Jo | Nov 16 2025 18:52 utc | 50
I myself have an A series Samsung phone. AppCloud can be found by going into apps, then type into search the name AppCloud – you can disable it – but it will switch itself back on and it can even download by itself without permission. International Cyber Digest (@IntCyberDigest): “‼️ Unremovable Israeli Spyware Found on Samsung Devices Samsung faces backlash over AppCloud, an Israeli-developed app pre-installed on budget Galaxy A and M series devices. Investigations reveal the app is embedded in the operating system, preventing full removal. Even when disabled, AppCloud remains on the device, reappears after updates, and can covertly install additional software.” | nitter.poast.org
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 16 2025 18:59 utc | 51
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 16 2025 18:59 utc | 51
Most likely needs enabling Android developer tools to remove its directory. Most likely a lot of tech oriented people are creating a guide to remove it by now.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 19:01 utc | 52
Massive Surrender of Ukrainian Soldiers in Pokrovsk Cauldron
🇺🇦🇷🇺 An entire platoon of Ukraine’s 38th Marine Brigade surrendered south of Myrnohrad. They were completely isolated and abandoned by their commanders. If nothing is done, this could be the first batch out of many more as the Ukrainian garrison of Myrnohrad is threatened with total encirclement. The General Staff of the AFU is risking an entire brigade to delay Russian advance into the north of Donetsk Oblast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgwyTJIuD9A
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 19:12 utc | 53
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 18:02 utc | 42
Thanks and thanks to canuk, as well.
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 19:20 utc | 54
high-velocity projectiles where a through-and-through shot, for example, in the arm, is fatal due to nerve paralysis.
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 17:54 utc | 38
Death occurs from blood loss and the effects of cavitation (shock wave).
Nerve damage can lead to permanent paralysis, temporary loss of function but is not fatal.
Posted by: drinky crow | Nov 16 2025 19:23 utc | 55
Russia Dominates the Ground War /from Moscow Stanislav Krapivnik & Lt Col Danniel Davis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAJfb5ZGliE
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 19:25 utc | 56
Posted by: Drifter | Nov 16 2025 18:39 utc | 48
I don’t think nihilism is the only possible outcome, though it’s certainly more likely than ever before, what might transpire is a questioning of post-war social assumptions, driving current policy, with their previously unquestioned ‘academic’ credentials subjected to rigorous examination, due to the growing body of evidence being amassed against them.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 19:12 utc | 53
This really is turning out to be one of the most hyperbolic conflicts in modern history, is that because of general ignorance being exploited, or an attempt to disguise the low intensity nature of the conflict?
Posted by: Milites | Nov 16 2025 19:42 utc | 58
Posted by: drinky crow | Nov 16 2025 19:23 utc | 55
If you’re not careful, somebody will mention the concept of hydrostatic shock!
Posted by: Milites | Nov 16 2025 19:46 utc | 59
Stanislav Krapivnik points:
-RUAF has 300k soldiers outside Ukraine, periodically rotated in and out for combat experience
-entire brigades rotating
-AFU troops are just kidnapped/brought to front position and no one is rotated
-mud extreme in Pokrovsk region, halting movement
-no one gets out of Myrnograd, AFU offensive stalled in Rodynske
-kill ratio heavily favoring RUAF due to vast difference in average troop experience, rotation for RUAF, no rotation for AFU
-Nato troops are heavily involved in fighting
-hodge podge of Nato troops and private merc companies
-Nato troops (mostly Poles) taken 10k casualties during SMO
-2000 Finns ‘quit’ their army – where did they go? To Ukraine
-RUAF advancements very small and limited, methodical
-FABs help RUAF dominate their advancement, front positions methodically eliminated
-speed bike tactics – first bomb with FAB, then take position with quick light vehicles
-AFU drones generally not fast enough to disrupt quick advancement
-AFU drone operators limited, can’t hold advancements
-RUAF has dedicated anti-drone operators, whose main task is finding AFU drone operators
-FPV drones losing their effectiveness
-drones don’t work in fog or rain
-anti-drone drones, shotgun drones, many different kind exist
-best way to fight drones is hunt and destroy the operators
-it’s easy to find out where shooting from
-fiber optic cable fpv operators easy to find by following optic cables
-RUAF is purchasing at least one set of every piece of Nato equipment from Ukrainian commanders – payment to bank account, AFU marks it as lost in combat (except Abrams)
-400k MIA Ukrainians are dead – commanders make money from their wage
-RUAF reverse engineers all Nato equipment to see what’s good and bad
-PATRIOT PAC-3 Battery controlled by 94 people, all Nato specialists
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 19:53 utc | 60
Massive Surrender of Ukrainian Soldiers in Pokrovsk Cauldron
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 19:12 utc | 53
So mass surrenders of UKR troops, about which this site is salivating since 2022 is a platoon? Do you know that a military platoon typically consists 20 to 50 soldiers? Do yo know that this could happen anytime in a war, especially one where soldiers are numbenring in hundreds of thousands?
Please wake me when an UKR/NATO BRIGADE will surrender! (as things are going, I think I will sleep like a bear into next spring, waiting for such news from you.!)
Posted by: Louis | Nov 16 2025 19:58 utc | 61
uh???? What will France reveal?
💢 A historic agreement with France has been prepared. There will be a significant strengthening of our combat aviation, air defense, and other defense capabilities, — Zelensky
More from his statements:
🇺🇦 Ukraine is opening another gas import route — from Greece. An agreement has been prepared.
🇺🇦 The Ukrainian government has allocated funds to finance gas imports, with help from European partners, European banks, Ukrainian banks, Norway: “And we will cover the need for almost 2 billion euros for gas imports.”
Subscribe @NewResistance
Posted by: Jo | Nov 16 2025 20:00 utc | 62
Salaam- Micron @26- you need to at least be honest too yourself.Lets look at the evidence,knowing that Russia is not just fighting Ukies,it’s the whole of NATO inclusive of the USA.As the Russians have clearly stated on numerous occains- by supplying weapons and resources the conflict is only prolonged.Stop the weapons delivery and financing and the conflict ends in hours if not days.We will leave the fine print for later- reality on the ground,no Ukies in NATO,new electio s-concessione ect etc etcetera!
Posted by: 4q8 | Nov 16 2025 20:14 utc | 63
Please wake me when an UKR/NATO BRIGADE will surrender!
Posted by: Louis | Nov 16 2025 19:58 utc | 61
For a brigade to surrender it needs to be numerically intact, more or less. If all that is left of any given brigade is one or two platoons, then that is all the troops that are still alive and able to make the choice.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 20:15 utc | 64
A couple of days ago I heard a rumour of Russian Kinzahl hypersonic missle launch into the Sumy region. I thought if it was true there must have been a very important target there which would justify such a launch. Today I finally found confirmation so I thought I’d share it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcEqWgbiGPY
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Nov 16 2025 17:57 utc | 40
Fkn Borzzikman … again. Always such rubbish. The headline screams:
An 8-KM HIGH mushroom cloud arose over Sumy after a BRUTAL attack on UK GENERALS. 50 METER DEEP bunker obliterated with Ukrainian and UK GENERALS.
Do you seriously believe such shit. I think every mention of that channel here is his friends doing promotion.
Posted by: Get Real | Nov 16 2025 20:19 utc | 65
Most of the 38th marine brigade is still inside Myrnograd, ordered to stay/not given withdraw order to delay RUAF. We don’t know how many are still alive. In coming days we will see more bombings and/or surrenders until Myrnograd issue is settled.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 20:21 utc | 66
Questioning of post-war social assumptions, driving current policy, with their previously unquestioned ‘academic’ credentials subjected to rigorous examination, due to the growing body of evidence being amassed against them.
Posted by: Milites | Nov 16 2025 19:42 utc | 58
People have been doing that for generations. My first brush with ‘cancellation’ was in the 1970s, for questioning a ‘post-war social assumption’ which even then was obviously falsified by a large body of evidence. I was saved by my youth and an insincere apology. Things have become exponentially worse since then. Truth is worthless in a post truth society, where the people who are behind all of the toxic lies control the media, government, police, legal system, corporate system, and can freeze your bank account. As far as the public is concerned, few people care about what is true, only about what is best for their personal short term interests.
Posted by: Drifter | Nov 16 2025 20:22 utc | 67
@Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 16 2025 13:21 utc | 1
It clearly did something since Nato has not provided any satellite photos but they do provide many for any small drone attack or hole in the roof of something. Additional Iskander strikes were probably needed to kill the visitors, access points, rescue teams, whatever, it’s nothing strange.
However, after Oreshnik there were multiple serious attacks, like the nuclear planes hit or the npps strikes which continue even these days, just check Tass. No one gave a shit. I think Putin shot down his drones in flight and started a ceasefire on the phone with Trumpy also after that strike. as scare factor it was zero, like all the other new weapons. Kinzhal is common now, but the effect is what for smo? No effect, no one cares and the entire planet knows hours before launch. So unless Putin uses some of the new weapons in Ukr for real targets, with an effect for the smo, the propaganda will be exactly the opposite of what he expects and it’ll convince Trumpy and other Nato that now, during Putin, is the perfect time to be extra violent because he is weak and the next president can’t be more weak. Use it or lose it, as Trumpy would say. Another problem for Russia is that they don’t export weapons to anyone who could use them against US or Israel, so US attacking Russia is like training, completely safe, not even using their own soldiers.
Posted by: rk | Nov 16 2025 20:26 utc | 69
Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, who is in a pre-trial detention center, said after interrogations by anti-corruption agencies Ukraine that the country’s leader, Volodymyr Zelensky, would “soon be finished” amid the corruption case of businessman and presidential associate Timur Mindich. This was reported by the Strana newspaper, citing sources.“Serious people are preparing a Maidan against Zelensky,” — the leader of Ukrainian Nazis.This is happening because of the corruption scandal with the “Mindich case,” claims the leader of the Nazi-terrorists Korchinsky, who are part of the GUR structure.“As for street protests, they are already being prepared, a Maidan is being prepared, street riots are being prepared, an attempt to undermine the front is being prepared. And serious people are already involved in this. In particular, mayors of some cities or former mayors of cities are involved. The same Trukhanov is involved,” he emphasized.The United States has almost completely exhausted its options for imposing new anti-Russian sanctions, US Secretary of State Rubio stated.He noted that Washington has already taken measures against Russia’s largest oil companies and added: “I don’t know what else needs to be done.”
Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 16 2025 20:30 utc | 70
Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 16 2025 20:30 utc | 70
#######
And that is why Russia didn’t have to kill Zelensky or work faster.
Ukraine was always going to implode. Russia is fortunate that NATO bankrupted itself along the way.
Kill Nazis locally and bankrupt Nazis globally.
A twofer.
If Russia could keep NATO invested for 3 more years, what might that look like?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 16 2025 20:40 utc | 71
Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 16 2025 20:30 utc | 70
These things usually coincide with a collapse of the front.
-south of Zaporozhye, Gulyapole, Novopavlovka and Myrnograd are the most important and crucial defeats of AFU
America, as Rubio said, is out of options and don’t know what to do.
EU media, headed by UK is slowly coming to terms of losing Zelensky.
They are going to try to place with someone from azov.
Scenario prepared for Remnant Ukraine?
The AFU front will definitely collapse until well north Zaporozhye city.
There is also trouble in western Ukraine, who don’t want to fight on the front.
EU is still gaslighting everyone of its subjects of Russia controlling 1% of Ukraine.
Crucial question is what happens when/after AFU front collapses and organized resistance ceases or becomes weak and incoherent.
More British false flag escalation, terror war and provocations expected.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 20:42 utc | 72
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 20:15 utc | 64
How many soldiers has a brigade? If 3000, then an ukronazi brigade is destroyed every two days and once exterminated, it will be to late to surrender.
Louis Ducon est vraiment trop con.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 20:42 utc | 73
A troubling trend continues in Ukraine, marked by mass unauthorized abandonment of military units and desertion. According to Roman Kostenko, Secretary of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security, the number of soldiers who have gone AWOL is approaching the total strength of the entire Ukrainian army.
Ukraine’s Deserter Numbers Near The Size Of Its Active-Duty Army South Front
Maps for the day…
Military Situation In Ukraine On November 16, 2025 (Maps Update) South Front
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 20:47 utc | 74
Reply to 15 and others
There is a serious issue that I don’t see brought up here. WTF is with the US military industrial complex? I see bold new military tech coming from Russia and China while the US seems to be manufacturing – at a modest pace – various dated weapons. Even Iran seems to be making bold progress.
I suppose that the Neo Cons are simply further exposing their superficial thinking. American crap is good enough and EU can be forced, as vassals, to buy it.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 16 2025 20:54 utc | 75
Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, ***
Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 16 2025 20:30 utc | 70
I thought the most recent corruption rumblings was a short lived MAGA campaign that would be deflated or redirected by the deeper deep state. This says I may be wrong.
Posted by: frithguild | Nov 16 2025 20:55 utc | 76
The worst thing here is that, at the time, b was considered one of the level-headed commentators. You had crazies like martyanov foaming at the mouth and declaring that Russia would be at Poland’s border in a few weeks. He just, like all the other clowns of the Z-crowd, kept moving the goal posts and predicting Russia”s victory any day soon (while prudently refraining from giving a specific time frame).
Posted by: Micron | Nov 16 2025 16:57 utc | 26
I wasn’t reading this forum, only Saker’s blog, during the first year or so of the SMO. He said, after the first few weeks, that Russia had won the war and destroyed the Ukrainian air force, army, etc. He got people’s hopes up. Those on his forum were already talking about how to divide Ukraine up. When the war was still going strong 18 months later, posters there would just say that Russia destroyed the Ukrainian army 10x over. Saker ended his blog 2 years after the SMO started, I’m guessing because his predictions were always wrong. People here were saying that Ukraine used its “last reserves” for Kursk. Yet 15 months later Ukraine is still sending reserves where needed.
Everyone underestimated Ukraine, the toughness of their soldiers and the strong and continual support of the West, and that high tech weapons would make it to the front lines easily. People on these forums were saying that Russia would intercept or destroy these weapons on arrival but that doesn’t happen 99% of the time.
Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 16 2025 21:06 utc | 77
Posted by: V for Vendetta | Nov 16 2025 20:30 utc | 70
It looks like the man with three passports who made a penis piano player to get a position good for an actor in a series but very bad for someone with responsabilities decided to get rid of his creature.
Or when khazars fight each others. I will sit in my armchair with a good drink and wait for the coming feast. Will he be treated like Mussolini? It would be his best role as an actor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so2KTN0F6i8
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 21:15 utc | 78
Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 16 2025 21:06 utc | 77
Obviously mobilizing the entire country, achieve a meat wall of millions of troops, can delay things for some years.
The economic calamity in the west is living proof that the entire west/Nato was mobilized (at least economically and financially) to fund and arm the fight for Ukraine. Potentially tens of thousands Nato troops, mostly from eastern Europe and UK, now Columbian and other LatAm gang members.
Yet here we are now, staring at collapse in the face of methodical forward movement, out of the post-2014 fortified zone. Granted, Slavhansk, Kramatorsk and Konstantinovka are still there, but I’d argue that these will be settled. The more juicy targets may be Pavlograd, or at least cutting Pavlograd and Kharkov from pre-mentioned remaining Donbass strongholds.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 21:16 utc | 79
Trump tells ‘dictator’ Zelenskyy to move fast for peace or lose Ukraine
https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10424210
§| That $100b minerals deal with Ukraine looks shaky, right Donnie?——-Re the loss of the Canadian Senators, evidently Australia still has 200 bushmasters, and Zelensky sent word. He wants them all.
Now. Pronto.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 16 2025 21:17 utc | 80
The nazi trolls are very busy today. It must be a very bad day for them and for the ukronazis. Only to read the comments/information given by unimperator to understand why it is a very bad day.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 21:20 utc | 81
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 21:16 utc | 79
Slaviansk and Kramatorsk will be cauldroned.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 21:23 utc | 82
Damn it!
The editor formats the text however it wants…There are better options for the forum system… this editor is just CHEAP.
Posted by: Genesis | Nov 16 2025 17:03 utc | 30
Calm down buddy … I should explain to you, “Nobody likes a sore loser”.
Posted by: Tel | Nov 16 2025 21:34 utc | 83
Latest update and maps from Marat Khairullin: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-november-16th
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 21:38 utc | 84
The denial from those who support NATO here is… psychotic… insane. It definitely rivals Nazi German delusions during late 1944 and early 1945. I’m actually enjoying it, at this point because it’s now harmless.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 21:16 utc | 79
The Colombian cartels can probably now field one heck of a formidable guerilla army. A lot of Colombians have been killed in “ukraine” but I’m sure enough of them have returned home to pass on useful skills.
Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 16 2025 21:45 utc | 85
Genesis @29:
Since when do the elites care about millions of dead?
They would accept millions of deaths in Europe alone if they succeeded in provoking the Russians… (their main concern in this case is probably that US territory remains undamaged).They would even applaud a nuclear war in Europe and cheer it on behind closed doors… They would welcome the collapse of world trade, resulting in millions more deaths from hunger and disease… Which, in turn, would serve their goal of reducing the world’s population.
It is well-understood that capitalism needs a “reset” in the West, but at the same time there is growing understanding that the dumping of mountains of cash into AI is largely a dead-end. Doubtless there are those among the Empire’s oligarchy who are beginning to realize, from the futility of attempts to economically isolate Russia and China, that “reset” may well require the large scale kinetic destruction of productive capacity outside the imperial core (United States), as was done in WWII the last time a reset was needed.
So yes, Europe is dispensable, but the main target remains China. There can be no “reset” in the West without either forcing China to kneel and subjugate itself, or failing that to simply utterly destroy China’s industrial capacity. Ideally the Empire wants to “take China alive” as it were, but the only way to accomplish that would be to get Russia on the Empire’s side (the EU is worthless in this regard… it has to be Russia for both geographic and economic reasons). It is becoming increasingly obvious that the only path to an alliance between the US and Russia involves eliminating Europe (including sLimeystan) as a geopolitical factor as they are doing all in their power to cock-block that relationship. Europe forcing Russia’s hand and in the process getting glassed by strategic nukes would make the Empire’s oligarchs sad, but there is likely growing willingness to accept those broken eggs to make the Empire’s “reset” omelette. The US may very well stand aside in such a fight and step in to be Russia’s new BFF when the dust settles. Russia having taken significant damage from the fight with the EU would even work to the Empire’s advantage here as a seriously weakened Russia would be less likely to turn away offers of friendship, agreement-incapability notwithstanding, from the US then.
Real war in Europe is thus not at all inconceivable. The Empire is likely willing to sacrifice its chihuahuas and lap-dogs if it flips flips Russia. The Empire’s economic bind really is that desperate.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2025 21:46 utc | 86
It may be that Zelensky is more secure in his position than Trump. Bizarre as this may sound, it would take little – scandal, dementia, impeachment – to remove Trump and have Vance take over. In Zelensky’s case, no one will remove him. Not the US. Not the EU. Not ordinary Ukrainians. He can securely ride the destruction of his nation and then establish a government in exile, if he wishes to. No one is seen as a competitor or substitute so he is weirdly irreplaceable. It continues to amaze me that not a single military leader nor lowly aide ever killed Hitler, obeying him to the last. I guess that’s just deluded human nature.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 16 2025 21:52 utc | 87
I doubt even a UK life insurance company would write a new life insurance policy for Zelinsky now.
I think even Mossad are planning to make him disappear. Maybe Moscow is indeed the safest place for him as some say. And the long knives will be out in Kiev as so many factions hustle to replace him. Everybody is turning against him. Soon he will be gone.
Posted by: Bingo | Nov 16 2025 22:00 utc | 88
Russia having taken significant damage from the fight with the EU
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2025 21:46 utc | 86
I venture to suggest one slight problem with this scenario, and that is the European forces don’t possess enough wherewithal to cause Russia significant damage. There’s a tiny handful of truly independent French nukes, plus the uncertain performance of the British Tridents (which may or may not be subject to US embargo, endless debate around this never seems to arrive at a definitive answer), but other than that, European conventional military forces are nowhere near capable of even scratching Russia meaningfully, if the US hegemon really does “sit things out”.
Apart from anything else, European air forces have chosen (or been bribed/bullied) to equip, or more accurately, handicap themselves with reliance upon the unreliable F-35; no way in the world is that particular moneypit going to be any serious threat to Russia, unless death by uncontrollable laughter is the strategy…
Then we could also look at the track record of the ”game-changers” provided by Europe to Ukraine and ask ourselves ”How well have they performed? Are we really going to cause significant damage to Russian heartlands with this motley assemblage?”
Turning into a bit of a rant here, but also, Europe does not have the productive capacity, financial means or raw material resources (including energy) to go up against Russia, without US underwriting.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 22:06 utc | 89
Posted by: Not Ewe | Nov 16 2025 17:04 utc |mm
“silly scenes from inside the coal mine. ”
Context?
Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 16 2025 22:09 utc | 90
Posted by: Stark | Nov 16 2025 17:10 utc | 32
MOA is full of people who really want this world to burn, and most likely because they do not wish to live on it anymore.
I think I’m one of them.
On a bright note, Wayinnorway taught me how to use the blockquote!
Black Flag – Gimme Gimme Gimme
I know the world’s got problemsI’ve got problems of my ownNot the kind that can’t be solvedWith an atom bomb
Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 16 2025 22:09 utc | 91
All my SWAG).
Posted by: frithguild | Nov 16 2025 16:20 utc | 18
That’s a new take for me. Thanks.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 16 2025 22:10 utc | 92
Oops, .50 passing within 6″ of an arm will supposedly rip the arm off………ouch. Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 16 2025 14:10 utc | 6
Depending on the range it passes at. 100%. Anything 6″ from that round is gonna feel it.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 16 2025 22:14 utc | 93
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 16 2025 20:54 utc | 75
Shame the ammunition for some of them still comes in wooden boxes and is unloaded by hand, shame some of the standard kit was largely copied from the West, shame they haven’t been able to come up with a counter to the drones, that doesn’t involve turning your armoured vehicles into something from a straight-to DVD copy of Mad-Max. Shame they invaded with no portable, secure communications relay platforms, only ones that had to be emplaced, shame their AFV’s were little changed from three to four decades ago and the fusing on their artillery shells was somewhat wayward.
Still, they do have cool missiles and some nice HE-chuckers, but then they always excelled at functional rocketry and artillery systems.
Posted by: Milites | Nov 16 2025 22:18 utc | 94
On November 10, Ukraine’s National Corruption Bureau (NABU) launched raids on the premises of Ukrainian officials suspected of involvement in a major corruption scheme in Ukraine’s energy sector. The raids followed a 15-month investigation in which NABU collected thousands of hours of audio recordings. A prime suspect in this investigation is Timur Mindich, whom Ukrainian media describe as a close ally of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Hours before the raids began, Mindich was tipped off and fled from Ukraine. He’s now reported to be in Israel. All this is happening against the backdrop of battlefield catastrophe for Ukraine’s military. To examine the significance of these developments, Dimitri Lascaris speaks with John Helmer, the longest continuously serving foreign correspondent in Russia. Dimitri and John also discuss a military spending boondoggle in Estonia, and smears targeting Canadian journalist David Pugliese, who has exposed the Canadian military’s dealings with Ukrainian Neo-Nazis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etfFSALfbs0
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2025 22:26 utc | 95
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 16 2025 22:14 utc | 93
Nope, even point blank the round doesn’t have the mass, nor the air the density, to generate anything more than a WTF reaction. The muzzle blast though will certainly shred tissue and lead to amputation/tissue destruction.
Posted by: Milites | Nov 16 2025 22:28 utc | 96
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 22:06 utc | 89
The most important thing is that the Europeans are cowards. They wait for a cease-fire to send troops to Ukraine and of course not on the front. A cease-fire will never happen. But why they need a cease-fire? Only because they are cowards. At the same time, they are prisoners of their own lies.
From the Europeans cowards, it is only balabalabala. They are no match against Russia. If they would dare to attack Russia, well I will pity them.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2025 22:29 utc | 97
There was a comment I saw that stuck in my mind, possibly here at the bar, or maybe Larry Johnson‘s site, that if a map of Russia is overlaid on the Western Hemisphere so that Vladivostok is in the position of Paris, France, then Moscow would be in Idaho.
That is the sheer size of the country the Western elites think they are going to take down via Ukraine…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 22:31 utc | 98
Posted by: Milites | Nov 16 2025 22:28 utc | 96
Well there we have it then.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 16 2025 22:39 utc | 99
@ Naive | Nov 16 2025 22:29 utc | 97
Yes, Europe simply cannot do anything meaningful to Russia without US covert and overt backing, so this idea that Europe can cause “significant damage” to Russia without US involvement is a non-starter.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 16 2025 22:39 utc | 100