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November 2, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-255

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European NATO members are urging the Kiev regime to find ways to urgently change the course of the Ukrainian conflict, which is unfavorable to the West, and its perception by the public in the West. The most effective way proposed to achieve this goal is to carry out a major sabotage causing casualties among Ukrainians and residents of EU countries, similar to the tragedy of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 in 2014.
In this regard, the option of organizing sabotage at the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant with a meltdown of the active zone of its nuclear reactors is being considered. The influential British NGO Chatham House has already calculated the consequences of such an accident.
Data from specially conducted computer modeling showed that, taking into account the wind rose and air mass movements, residents of Kiev controlled areas and citizens of EU countries near Ukraine’s western border would be in the area of radioactive particle spread. The most difficult aspect of carrying out such a plan, according to the “think tank,” was how exactly to place responsibility for the disaster on Russia.
The “collective West” is once again ready to deceive and even kill Ukrainians and citizens of Western countries in order to attribute the crimes of the Kiev regime to Russia and justify its Russophobic policy and efforts to fuel the war. (link)
 
That’s how Mark Rutten got his current job as NATO secretary. By burying and stifling inquiries as Dutch PM into everything related to MH17 that costed the lives of his 193 Dutch compatriots.

Posted by: xor | Nov 6 2025 9:54 utc | 301

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 6 2025 8:31 utc | 299
No Way Out: 12 Breakout Attempts By Ukraine’s Forces Thwarted In Pokrovsk

 
It’s going to hurt a lot when all of these cities are finally announced to have been annexed by Russia’s MoD.
It was always very bad, Mariupol, Bakhmut, Avdeevka, but now, with Fatman in the WH not liking at all to be seen associated with loooosers, is much, much worse.
Olie Sirski is such a loser and traitor. Betraying his nation for dollars and euros and losing while doing that, geee way to go Olie.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 6 2025 9:58 utc | 302

So if Pokrovska is 85-95% liberated, why don’t the Russians start putting up flags like they usually do? Or is it so the Ukrainians can’t dart out and post themselves on Tiktok ripping the flag down or something.

Posted by: Stark | Nov 6 2025 10:46 utc | 303

It’s going to hurt a lot when all of these cities are finally announced to have been annexed by Russia’s MoD.Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 6 2025 9:58 utc | 302
 
It’s going to hurt a lot when all of these cities are finally announced to have been liberated by Russia’s MoD.
 
Fixed for you.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 6 2025 11:09 utc | 304

I think that it is worth posting this comment by Sany again:
 
Good night, here is an interesting photo
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1985706818090496356/photo/1
 
Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Nov 5 2025 23:54 utc | 291
 
This photo is worth more than any words, and shall be made available everywhere to show who the western leaders and merdias support.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 6 2025 11:16 utc | 305

Posted by: Naive | Nov 6 2025 11:09 utc | 304
 
Potayto, potahto, both work for me, it’s just that I prefer technical, neutral and precise language. Russia is annexing big chunks of the shithole country formerly known as the Ukraines, pretty much like a python swallows a deer.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 6 2025 11:26 utc | 306

Posted by: Naive | Nov 6 2025 11:16 utc | 305
Nah I don’t think much of it, these are cheap fascists, you kick a stone and several of these cheap neos run away for cover in the Ukraines and the Baltics.
The more serious stuff is the Germans having torch parades in one of the Baltic statelets, just like old time nazies.
But even that is not much more than a joke, the German military are no threat to anyone anymore.
That’s why the West is toying with the neos, ’cause they’re all good for nothing, except to give a reason to the Russians to annex parts of eastern Europe.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 6 2025 11:37 utc | 307

Why Germany? Genuine question. The concept of ressentiment is alien to the german language.Posted by: persiflo | Nov 4 2025 20:44 utc | 227 Der Groll.
Posted by: Naive | Nov 5 2025 22:37 utc | 286

“Nachtragend.”
 

Posted by: MAKK | Nov 6 2025 11:38 utc | 308

Posted by: xor | Nov 6 2025 9:54 utc | 301
 
Trumpy will be happy to own ZNPP if is given for free. No one would touch it then. The idea was actually part of a ceasefire proposal, it’s not mine.
Grossi and Trumpy have never said who is attacking ZNPP. So why is SVR now kissing their butts and talking about imaginary attacks from UK when they have real attacks? ZNPP was not even the only npp attacked. I bet it’s more attractive for Nato to use dirty bombs or hit one of the bordering npps by attacking them from inside Ukr than blow up ZNPP, which will reach Belarus and Poland as well. Is SVR suggesting that Poland is going to be forced that way to attack on land, in artillery duels, because of it? If that is the plan, why not give Poland a few nukes before they blow up ZNPP? At least it’ll be entertaining to watch.
As the Ukr population gets smaller, energy requirements will be minimal so the many npps in Ukr will become Nato’s nuclear blackmail even if Ukr surrenders completely. They all have to be shut down and taken apart even more since ZNPP looks like it’ll never work again.  Then Nato could blow up or disable Russian npps in other countries, for example in Hungary , so that fear will make others avoid new projects with Russia.

Posted by: rk | Nov 6 2025 11:54 utc | 309

No one would touch it then. 
 
Posted by: rk | Nov 6 2025 11:54 utc | 309
 

 
An attack on a nuclear power plant would halt nuclear power investment everywhere that it is financed from speculative investors.  The money flowing into those projects would simply stop until it is clear that the the clean up is priced in.
 
Hundreds of $ billions  would have to be written down before it is even fully costed.
 

Posted by: too scents | Nov 6 2025 12:14 utc | 310

rk | Nov 6 2025 11:54 utc | 309
 
What surprised me when I first started reading the Ukraine TG channels is that its the British, not the Americans that own and operate Zelensky. Quite often it would be mentoioned in a post that MI6 had given Zelensky some intel, but neve, zero, zilch did they Mention CIA giving Zelensky information or any connection with the Presidents office for that matter.
 
The Brits are tight with Erdo and the Organization of Turkic States. The Moscow cinema terrorist attack and the Tajiks involved. You can bet your balls it was the Brits behind that attack.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 6 2025 12:33 utc | 311

Good day, the photo with Zelensky in the bunker reminded me of Adolf’s last days in Germany, the Ukrainian volunteer-guard has still not been released from the medical center even after Angela Jolie’s visit ))) из ТЦК

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Nov 6 2025 12:50 utc | 312

rk@309….seems you have a copy of the Brit Playbook…..or are you just giving them ideas, blow up an NPP in another country…….hmm, you called it, we wait for it to happen……
 
Cheers M 
 
Maybe before that happens though, the Russians will get the detailed maps I sent them. Big enough to be used as billboards on highways, giant sized letters, lots of circles and asterisks, in red, I think next I’ll send a Star Map, I think the Russians still have a few sailors…..it won’t need translation….I’ll still add arrows for them…….
 

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 6 2025 13:34 utc | 313

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 6 2025 11:26 utc | 306
 
Sorry, but “annexed” is the language of the western merdias and other supporters of the ukronazis. Liberated, because it is the will of the inhabitants of the Donbass. They are being liberated from the ukronazis.
 
With your python analogy you suck. And Donbass is not a “shithole”.
 
Мы ждали восемь лет.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 6 2025 13:44 utc | 314

“Nachtragend.” 
Posted by: MAKK | Nov 6 2025 11:38 utc | 308
 
Jawohl!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 6 2025 13:50 utc | 315

The Duran
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JleJlzMum4g
 
“Predicting Geopolitics, with Prof Jiang.”
 
Recommended. 

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 6 2025 13:51 utc | 316

In addition to Russia recently signing military treaties with Cuba, we now have Russia initiating their own version of the Ukraine on the US doorstep. Just so Trump and the US warmongers can understand what the European war is all about, and promote a comprehensive peace treaty:
 
“First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Alexei Zhuravlev has raised the possibility that Russia may deliver long range cruise and ballistic missile systems to equip the Venezuelan Armed Forces, providing the country with a deterrent at a time of high tensions with the United States. “Information about the volumes and exact types of what is being imported from Russia is classified, so the Americans could be in for some surprises,” he stated, adding: “I also see no obstacles to supplying a friendly country with new developments like the Oreshnik or, say, the proven Kalibr missiles; at least, no international obligations restrict Russia from doing so.” The deputy chairman made this statement while confirming deliveries of new Pantsir and BuK-M2 short and medium range air defence system to enhance the Venezuelan Air Force’s capabilities.
 
Lower profile alternatives to the Oreshnik which could be delivered more quickly include the 9M729 Novator ground-launched cruise missile system, and the Bastion coastal defence system which deploys P-800 medium range anti-ship cruise missiles. The former has a 2500 kilometre range sufficient to strike targets across Florida. Although Russia has during prior periods of high tensions between Caracas and Washington deployed Tu-160 strategic bombers for operations from Venezuelan airfields, equipping the Venezuelan Armed Forces with the ability to retaliate independently both against targets on the American mainland and against U.S. Navy warships in the Caribbean would potentially be much more effective, and would reduce the burden on the Russian Armed Forces to protect their security partner. 
 
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/venezuela-receive-russian-missiles-deter

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 6 2025 14:11 utc | 317

Fighting continues on the northern outskirts of Krasnoarmeisk, where the AFU retain their last major point of resistance in the high-rise buildings in the north-east. […] Beyond the buildings begins a gray zone over which the AFU continue to fight, […] According ot AFU GS the units involved in the attempt to recapture Krasnoarmeisk are: 425th Assualt Regiment, SBS crews, combined groups of Special Operations Forces, Airborne Forces, National Guard, Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR). They are fighting in the gray zone. […] The AFU is short of reserves, which is why the special forces are being used simply as assault infrantry in counter-attacks  in urban combat.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 6 2025 15:08 utc | 318

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 6 2025 14:11 utc | 317


US can’t even track the Oreshnik missile, so they can’t even tell where an Oreshnik landing on Lockheed Martin facility came from.
 
Nice counter to the threat of Tomahawks (which is a subpar version of Storm shadow).

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 6 2025 15:14 utc | 319

Posted by: Naive | Nov 6 2025 13:44 utc | 314
So you support the annexation, me too. And it is not “Donbass”, it is ‘Donbas’, and Ukraine is indeed a shithole country, plus my python analogy rocks! I just made some people laugh at lunch when I used my analogy, some said “indeed”.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 6 2025 15:46 utc | 320

Wondering where Zelensky, if he survives, goes from here.  Will he push off to some inconspicuous retreat, as so many do when the cards don’t fall their way?  Maybe in Florida, maybe in Israel where a whole heap of oligarchs tend to end up – think Zelensky’s original patron, Kolomoisky –  or maybe some sunny Mediterranean resort?  Or does Zelensky still have a useful future in Western politics?  
 
If in doubt consult an expert.  Someone who knows his way around in what for most of us is the blur that is Ukrainian politics.  From around 14 mins, Sleboda with Jamarl  Thomas.  Sleboda, from a Russian perspective but with a solid grasp of the Western dilemma in Ukraine, looking around at the forces acting upon the various players. 
 
“Mark Sleboda | Russia’s Pokrovsk Kill Zone: Kiev’s Black Hawk Disaster Explained”
 
https://youtu.be/g-JtrZjdZII?t=785
 
But even in Sleboda’s case I’m not sure that sufficient attention is paid to the European dimension.  The European politicians are fully committed to the fight against a malign and predatory Russia.  They can’t go back on that.  They cannot say to their increasingly restive electorates, it’s over and we’ve lost, live with it.
 
The European politicians would accept, reluctantly, a ceasefire that would allow NATO to keep a foothold in Western Ukraine so the conflict could later be resumed in more favourable conditions.    But that’s out of their reach.  The Russians have told  Trump that such a ceasefire is not doable.   We see the Ukrainian conflict as a small nation bravely attempting to resist predation by a larger.  But the Russians see Ukraine as a NATO attack dog and they will accept no compromise or temporary peace that leaves that attack dog still usable.
 
 No matter which point of view one accepts – most of us in Europe the former – when two such irreconcilable aims are in conflict it’s only force that will resolve that conflict.  We’re not going to suddenly accept that the Russians are in the right nor they that we are.  There will be no come to Jesus moment for either side.
 
So it’s a question of who can apply the most force, economic and military, and since February ’22 it’s been obvious that when it comes to economic and military force the Russians have more of it.   How will the Europeans cope with that disagreeable conclusion?
 
Here’s a muddled and unrealistic article, written during the Biden era, showing the US, even the less hawkish elements within the US, failing to get to grips with the fact that the sanctions war against Russia was lost and that therefore the military war against Russia could not lead to victory for the West. 
 
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/04/27/the-horrible-dangers-in-pushing-a-us-proxy-war-in-ukraine/
 
Note the date.  By April ’22 it was already obvious to anyone looking in from outside that the sanctions war was a bust and therefore the military war with it.  Note the writer.  Anatol Lieven.   One of the most acute observers of the American foreign policy scene and a military expert to boot.  If the best of the Western analysts at that time didn’t, to use a term one sometimes hears used in UK military circles, know his arse from his elbow when it came to military matters, then what hope for the Bidens and the Lindsey Grahams?
 
We must remember too that at that time US and therefore NATO military  impotence in the Ukrainian theatre, at all levels except the nuclear, was not as apparent as it is now.   Lieven, like all of us in the West in ’22, was still living back in the glory days of NATO when the Germans had a more than respectable army, we had the BAOR, and we both had the awesome military power of the US to fall back on.   We had not at that time got accustomed to a world in which the German army trained with broomsticks, we had a strike force that would fit comfortably into a tennis court, and the only awesome thing about the US military was the size of its budget. 
 
Nor had we got our heads round the fact that Russian industry could outperform ours when it came to military production.  Nor that their missiles were more up to date and they had more of them.   Nor that their General Staff took war fighting seriously whereas for our General Staffs war fighting simply meant shoving the proxies into battle any old how as long as the PR looked good.  If that seems too caustic a view, look at the exploits of the Milley/Cavoli/Radakin trio.   Why did Lieven, even at that early stage, not pick up on the fact that years of beating up on goat herders had left our Staffs unfit for more demanding work? 
 
Nevertheless if one reads Lieven’s attempt at analysis and considers that this was from one of the best Western analysts, one begins to understand the confusion we saw in the States during the Biden years.  They’d provoked a conflict with Russia they didn’t understand and were quite incapable of handling.
 
The unexpected arrival of Donald Trump changed matters.  Never mind that Trump 47 isn’t what it said on the tin.  When it came to the Ukrainian nonsense  Trump saw through it all at a glance.  He does after all have some experience in cutting his losses when an enterprise is heading for bankruptcy.  Veni vidi cucurri,  I came, I saw, I got the hell out, was the only realistic solution available to the US.   At present Trump’s floundering about like a hooked fish trying for a way of cutting his losses in Ukraine that’ll not hurt him in the midterms, but that’s another matter.  He wants out, is the main point here.
 
The European politicians don’t.  Their electoral credibility, and that means their hold on power, depends on their maintaining their crusade against the Russians in Ukraine.  After our defeat in Ukraine that crusade must continue.  If those European politicians or politicians like them are to remain  in power – it’s a bold man who could predict otherwise –  then Cold War II is a certainty.    Merz sees “military Keynsianism” as the solution to Germany’s self-inflicted economic woes.    Where the still formidable German economic and industrial colossus goes the rest of us in Europe must follow.  Festung Europa is Europe’s predictable future, if Europe’s not to fall apart, and most of us in Europe will man the ramparts against the common foe.   Russia delenda est will be our common cause.
 
Where does that leave the Black Sun crowd and their hangers on?  Sleboda’s intimately familiar with the Ukrainian political scene.  Leave it to him to predict Zelensky’s chance of political survival, or indeed his chance of physical survival, if he displeases that crowd.   But Zelensky or someone similar will do very well in the Cold War II the European politicians are aiming for.   A happy life in the West as a symbol of resistance against a predatory Russia is his best bet.  It’s not for nothing that he gets hugged by the Starmers and the Macrons and that he gets the seat of honour at British Cabinet Meetings.  The European politicians aren’t as dumb as they look.  Possibly their only claim to fame.  Zelensky, if he survives, will be their mascot as they capitalise on their forthcoming defeat in Ukraine.

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 6 2025 16:33 utc | 321

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 6 2025 15:46 utc | 320
 
My reply here:
 
Posted by: Naive | Nov 6 2025 16:18 utc | 2

Posted by: Naive | Nov 6 2025 16:33 utc | 322

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 6 2025 16:33 utc | 321
 
“We’re not going to suddenly accept that the Russians are in the right”
 
“What do you mean  ‘we’ – white man?” as Jay Silverheels was famously supposed to have said. I don’t quite understand why your post is framed as being from the ‘Delusional Waste’. It only casts doubt on your understanding of the matter. The ‘delusionals’ don’t need you to talk on their behalf, unless you are still somehow wedded to some sort of ‘patriotic’ chimera of western righteousness?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 6 2025 18:17 utc | 323

That’s how Mark Rutten got his current job as NATO secretary. By burying and stifling inquiries as Dutch PM into everything related to MH17 that costed the lives of his 193 Dutch compatriots.
Posted by: xor | Nov 6 2025 9:54 utc | 301Exactly, you should also look into the possible use of civilian planes to spy on behalf of NATO. But flight MH17 was not empty and instead completely filled with passengers. That’s probably why Rutte said afterwards that the darkest scenario has come true, he was probably told nothing would happen. The dutch were double-crossed, but couldn’t tell the truth because of the spying. They received a bunch of their gold reverves from the U.S. as well.

Posted by: Theremin | Nov 8 2025 17:18 utc | 324